He caught my feels when I ran into him as John and he told me he used to have a friend called Arthur who doesn't visit him anymore
#red-dead-singleplayer
candid walrus
mental merlin
now that’s sad
worldly gulch
Second time the damn game made me cry lmao
candid walrus
Man if only Mickey remembered Arthur's name and he told John then John told him he died
worldly gulch
Ah yeah that was it, he called him something else
worldly gulch
Now on this new playthrough knowing that arthur will never be able to run away with Mary... more feels man
candid walrus
Mhm. It would be cool if there was an option to run away with mary, as a different ending
but he has TB so he would have died anyway >.>
worldly gulch
Eh id have settled for a he left with Mary to live out his final days kind of ending
Rather than having to sit there and watch him die to the sunrise
candid walrus
yeah, i would have liked that ending too
mental merlin
You know it’s a game
and the ending
he going with marry
your going to keep playing as Arthur
so most likely he won’t die
hidden moss
we need happy ending dlc
candid walrus
yea
hidden moss
red dead depression
candid walrus
xd
mental merlin
who cried at the credits
strange dragon
The epilogue was a good peaceful section after the mess and the saddest cut scene ever
But cried tears of depression when I grew out my hair as John
mental merlin
The epilogue was a good peaceful section after the mess and the saddest cut scen...
peaceful as in killing people
hidden moss
who cried at the credits
me dude.
strange dragon
Building a little house together, ranching, watch/hearing uncle being a lovable character etc.
mental merlin
ranching as in just doing chores and not milking cows
Because the game hates John?
strange dragon
still peaceful
candid walrus
Ok. I'm gonna go collect the debt from Downes >.<
mental merlin
Not peaceful when your getting chased by 9999 cops
strange dragon
Where do you see cops in the "doing chores" section
Cops weren't even part of the epilogue story until you kill Micah and then Ross is involved
Actually they were but you were working with them
but still John has gone straight so to say and he needs to try and keep a low profile, doesn't mean the game hates John
mental merlin
that’s why he can’t milk cows
strange dragon
But he did milk cows just like how R* milks GTA V
candid walrus
lol
mental merlin
he can’t milk cows after the game though
strange dragon
He doesn't need to when he can milk Abigail
strange dragon
just a joke bruh
unkempt cradle
Is there any way to get all the dinosaur bones without having to get all the dinosaur bones
unkempt cradle
:(
mental merlin
it’s a side mission
candid walrus
No that isn't possible o-O
mental merlin
they aren’t going to give you the dinosaur bones
unkempt cradle
Its required for 100% though right
unkempt cradle
What
candid walrus
yes, it is required
mental merlin
you have to find all 30
mental merlin
you sure
candid walrus
you should be able to check what else you need in the progress section
unkempt cradle
I know you don’t have to actually complete 100% to get 100%
mental merlin
what
unkempt cradle
Yeah
mental merlin
I don’t under stand
mental hinge
what
golden vector
”in order to win 100% completion is to not win 100% completion”
~Obama 47:63
hidden moss
he is right you know? for example you only need 70 gold medals not all of them. so thats not really %100
honest drum
Ye he’s right...
You don’t need to do everything
Like you only have to study 50 animals instead of every animal
RS could of been real dicks and make you do EVERYTHING for 100% completion
candid walrus
that would really suck
floral jasper
Indeed
mental hinge
i just realized how much arthur and micah's outfit contrast eachother
micah has white pants and a white hat while arthur has black ones
micah wears a black coat while arthur wears a light brown coat
arthur wears a blue shirt but micah wears red
candid walrus
i never noticed that
mental hinge
he does, just look at the gunslinger outfit or the summer version
the coat is the brown one
mental merlin
plus it’s only what you want to wear
strange dragon
Like you only have to study 50 animals instead of every animal
I heard if you don't study the animals in Guarma then you can't get 100%
candid walrus
No. That isn't true
mental hinge
nah that aint true
candid walrus
The animals in Guarma don't count towards 100%
strange dragon
well, that is good to know
strange dragon
Well.. I collected the debt from Thomas Downes <:sadart:512820686859927562>
"We already owe more than it's worth"
candid walrus
;-;
i wish that if you wore a bandanna when collecting his debt you wouldnt get TB
idk maybe as a different ending
strange dragon
I tried but Arthur took it off without hands
mental hinge
a better idea would be to make an alternate path where you can save lenny
candid walrus
YES
mental hinge
it wouldn't alter the story too much
candid walrus
yea
mental hinge
plus it could give his death more impact since you actually HAD a chance to save him
but you couldn't
strange dragon
plus it’s only what you want to wear
It's the "default" outfit for Arthur, after you get to Horseshoe that is the outfit Arthur is wearing. Plus he wore it under the winter outfit as well.
candid walrus
goddammit the ride back to camp is sad
spring sluice
Which one
worldly gulch
the music makes it sad.
Doesnt it just 
candid walrus
worldly gulch
I tried but Arthur took it off without hands
Yeah I tried the same thing lol, feelsbadman
muted jetty
next red dead should have addictions like fallout just so i can be a hyper cracked out cowboy
candid walrus
how am i not getting gold for the debt collecting mission??
tacit nacelle
Because it goes to the camp not you
candid walrus
no, the gold medal
muted jetty
because arthur could never get gold being a bad person
candid walrus
goddammit
i failed again
how am I supposed to do this in under 2 minutes 10 seconds...?
tacit nacelle
how am I supposed to do this in under 2 minutes 10 seconds...?
Run Forest, Run!!
candid walrus
xd
mossy schooner
is the pump action a good shotgun?
candid walrus
ok then.. I got the gold medal even though the timer on my phone said 2 min 20 seconds 
tacit nacelle
Yea its a good shotgun
mental hinge
is the pump action a good shotgun?
pretty good but u can get a better shotgun for free, the semi auto
fires much faster when hipfiring but at the cost of less accuracy
mental merlin
candid walrus
?
mental merlin
hehehehehhehehehehehehehrhhrhehehe
hidden moss
is the high stakes treasure map obtainable as john?
ive been running around the guys spawn point near riggs for a while now but he wont spawn in
candid walrus
so apparently I took health items while doing this mission even though all I ate was chewing tobacco...
yippe. :/
umbral kayak
is there any way to trigger eagle eye shots earlier or do I need to hold it for the entire ability to go through. Basically I just want one headshot for each enemy
would I need to use up the entire bar to do that
rigid nacelle
bro
i'm listening to john complain about his wife
tells me i should never get a woman
and if i had a woman that i would drown them
velvet lark
Help! I'm stuck in out-of-scope view and I don't know how to use the scope again. I'm on PC
bronze zenith
wary oasis
Help! I'm stuck in out-of-scope view and I don't know how to use the scope again...
Scroll wheel
velvet lark
Doesn't do anything
sinful hound
H
golden vector
comedy mastermind
sinful hound
H
golden vector
an ingenious humor enthusiast
sinful hound
H.
golden vector
remarkably perfect ideas within the field of entertainment
sinful hound
P
candid walrus
wow! congrats!!
candid walrus
maybe try getting the legend of the west trophy
upper fox
you did what
Finished my 100% playtrough
candid walrus
idk if PC has it
upper fox
maybe try getting the legend of the west trophy
whats that achievement about
hidden moss
oh
candid walrus
here is what it sais when i looked it up: "It is unlocked when all other trophies have been earned, both Single Player and Online, excluding DLC trophies. It is the Red Dead Redemption Platinum Trophy. A player does not have to gain all DLC trophies to unlock this trophy."
upper fox
ehh idk if i wanna play rdo
candid walrus
yea. i wanted to get it but there is one trophy on rdo that i cant get >.>
upper fox
imma go for the gold rush achievment and its art achievement
im currently going for its art achievement
need to find that squirrel 2 or 3 more times
hidden moss
i have 95% of the helping hand achievement
dense glen
Help. I just killed a deer. How do I do anything with it?
native willow
Skin it, or pick it up and press the cook option
You’ll set up your camp and start cooking the meat
dense glen
Game doesn't show keys I need to use.
native willow
🤷♂️ there should be an prompt next to the dead animal
dense glen
There isn't.
dense glen
😦
upper fox
maybe it was a mangy animal those cant be skinned
native willow
Interesting
Never really hunted mangy animals, but I’ve gotten tons of sickly fish
upper fox
You can study, track and kill mangy animals, but you cant skin them
and cant pick them up
its weird
dense glen
Ok. After 131235547 attempt it worked.
upper fox
I've only seen one mangy red american squirrel thats it in my 400+ hours in this game
dense glen
Where can I sell the skin?
native willow
Butchers
upper fox
YEs
dense glen
Thanks.
upper fox
and trappers, but thats only if you wanna craft something with it. It must be a perfect 3 star skin to use it at a trapper.
native willow
I’m gonna do more hunting/trapper stuff on my next play through
Raccoon hat supremacy
upper fox
Imma going to think of something to do after I get my its art achievement
cuz i have 100% now
there isnt much left
upper fox
Im not looking for doing another playtrough. Imma wait a year for that
I finished my 100% playtrough in three months
native willow
Oh you’re just looking for stuff to do In the world
upper fox
Beat the game with just the cattleman
but imma definitly going to do that for 3rd playtrough in the future
devout niche
I lose a lot of horses as John. I blame him.
devout niche
When it say's I'm wanted it says John Marston 😛
upper fox
Huh?
must be a weird glitch
or something
My compendium is also almost full. Im at 560 of 563...
So aint much left
native willow
Jim Milton rides again
mental merlin
John
upper fox
Jim
mental merlin
Im playing as Jim Milton
Jim miltion isn’t a character
upper fox
yes it is
mental merlin
search it up
upper fox
Jim milton even has his own red dead wiki page
mental merlin
alright take a screenshot and dm it to me then
mental merlin
it’s John not Jim
native willow
Jim Milton could take John Marston in a fight
upper fox
I think John prefers to be called Jim
mental merlin
I think John prefers to be called Jim
but it’s still John
native willow
And doesn’t know how to stick to his cover name
upper fox
no two complety different persons
mental merlin
no
native willow
Yes of course
upper fox
john has dissociative identity disorder
mental merlin
John =Jim
native willow
john has dissociative identity disorder
Lmaooooooo
mental merlin
Jim=John
mental merlin
When it say's I'm wanted it says John Marston 😛
yea uh your John
mental merlin
noice
upper fox
but this joke has been going on for almost 2 weeks
This joke has been going on since the release of rdr2
mental merlin
bruh
sinful hound
H
upper fox
complete a 100% playtrough
viral anvil
sheesh
hidden moss
but this joke has been going on for almost 2 weeks
Lmao I remember when it started
verbal prairie
it wasn't 2 weeks lol
upper fox
also tell them your username
verbal prairie
that's a complete overstatement
upper fox
it wasn't 2 weeks lol
?
verbal prairie
but this joke has been going on for almost 2 weeks
replying to this
hushed geyser
I THINK I FOUND A GLITCH-
upper fox
tell me
honest drum
john marston got shot in the train robbery and died, jim milton is the one that came back to camp
mental merlin
no
hushed geyser
I RE-DID THE HANGING OF COLM AND I SHOT ALL THE LAWMEN DURING THE DEFENSE PART
AND DURING THE SCENE WHERE THEY GET ON THE WAGON ONE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS WITH THEIR HEAD BLOWN OFF WAS MOVING ANOTHER LAWMENS BODY-
mental merlin
Da fuck
honest drum
lol
hidden moss
I will be honest with you, I feel more sorry for some antagonists than the gang members themselves. The only antagonist I don't really feel sorry for is Micah, because he may have raped Jenny. now milton and ross i really see them with different eyes
pearl scarab
p
mental merlin
should I go hunting and get perfect pelts?
honest drum
I will be honest with you, I feel more sorry for some antagonists than the gang ...
milton yes, ross no
Ross was a backstabbing pig
milton was just doing his job and gave the gang plenty of chances to run off
native willow
fuck Ross
honest drum
ross however promised john freedom then betrayed him
native willow
all my homies hate Ross
honest drum
(most likely)
hidden moss
milton yes, ross no
in my case it is the opposite. I overheard someone saying that Milton killed innocents, and Ross didn’t, the point about Ross is that he’s always been tormenting John ever since RDR 1
native willow
"you sent him to do your dirty work, then you shot him like a dog!"
honest drum
in my case it is the opposite. I overheard someone saying that Milton killed inn...
'milton killed innocents'
lmao
he's a pinkerton
hidden moss
i heard it in reddit
honest drum
he killed outlaws
honest drum
i heard it in reddit
they're full of shit
honest drum
lmao
verbal prairie
the Pinkerton agency itself is bad but not Milton
honest drum
yes
milton did some bad stuff
as well
however
but they all did, by the time milton shot hosea he'd given the entire gang a chance of freedom
mental merlin
is tracking all the animals part of getting 100%?
honest drum
is tracking all the animals part of getting 100%?
no
mental merlin
good
honest drum
why don't ppl just look at the checklist
hidden moss
the strategy of deceiving John, I don’t even know if Ross killed him because he wanted to, they say it was the Governor of West Elizabeth who ordered John to be killed, and Ross only did it
honest drum
ye that is true
maybe ross didn't order john's death
he still was a dick tho
like his personality
milton tried not to commit crimes
'we're doing all we can in the confines of the law'
cornwall: 'well i think we both know what you can do with your laws!'
hidden moss
I never understood how pinkertons work in real life. after all were they useful or not? in rdr 2, they look like the stupidest police in the wild west @honest drum
honest drum
they were very useful, just did some fucked up shit in order to achieve their goals
mental merlin
oh my god finally I found a skunk
honest drum
like they were very good at their jobs, just went about it in some dodgy ways
pearl scarab
a
hidden moss
like they were very good at their jobs, just went about it in some dodgy ways
for example. a guy tries to rob a bank, the pinkertons stop him, even surrendered they kill him? something like that?
honest drum
it depends
sometimes maybe yes, there wasn't a script
like if they were hunting a gang and wanted to make an example yes
probably
like they did with Hosea
in rdr2
hidden moss
in rdr2
got it, I think it would be cool if you could play like a pinkerton in rdr 2, it would make them look less useless, and it could create interesting moral dilemmas
mental merlin
uh why does jack have moonshine in his bedroom??
honest drum
😳
mental merlin
He’s only 12 though
golden vector
wtf am i reading
true linden
mental merlin
I’m taking jack’s candy for drinking moonshine
golden vector
what about taking his moonshine for drinking candy
mental merlin
anyone know what I should do with 2 perfect pelts?
honest drum
pearson
delicate sparrow
anyone know what I should do with 2 perfect pelts?
trapper
hidden moss
zzzzzzzHUH What?
delicate sparrow
some stuff requires perfect pelts to craft
mental merlin
so you have to sell the things to him and then you can craft the items you want to make??
honest drum
no, cause trapper can craft stuff
so can pearson
mental merlin
Pearson works at the store
honest drum
oh have u done ch6
mental merlin
don’t think he’s going to craft things
mental merlin
oh have u done ch6
yes I beat the game
honest drum
i thought u started a new playthrough?
dreamy cargo
Pearson ❤️🥵
mental merlin
i thought u started a new playthrough?
yea I did but I got perfect pelts as John
mental merlin
even though he gets kicked out of the camp
golden vector
as much as i hate strauss, the loyalty there was real asf
golden vector
i wouldn’t like him if he didn’t gave arthur tuberculosis, the guy really just makes people’s lives worse when they were bad already
he’s a borderline murderer tbh
dreamy cargo
as Dutch said “I prefer bank robbing to usery, feels more dignified somehow”
native willow
as much as i hate strauss, the loyalty there was real asf
I find this pretty Interesting
Wonder what was going through his head
He basically died for a gang that kicked him out and fell apart, despite Being a massive piece of shit himself
mental merlin
anyone know what gun I should use on da legendary alligator?
honest drum
He basically died for a gang that kicked him out and fell apart, despite Being a...
do u think arthur is a piece of shit?
mental merlin
legendary animals can't have a reduced pelt
so just shoot it a bunch of times?
honest drum
yes
candid walrus
maybe try a shotgun with slugs
honest drum
welp I died
how lol
mental merlin
it’s fucking fast as hell
native willow
do u think arthur is a piece of shit?
Not entirely, but he’s done terrible things
Arthur is a very complex character
candid walrus
no
native willow
Also kinda depends on how the player plays him
candid walrus
i dont want to imagine Milton and Ross's child
native willow
But Strauss is a pathetic man lol
honest drum
Not entirely, but he’s done terrible things
explain how high honour arthur is better than strauss
strauss isn't bad
honest drum
he's just making money
bit of a scummy way
and he wasn't grea
but not any worse than any of them
honest drum
arthur shot innocent ppl
native willow
But scummier
honest drum
a lot
native willow
Yes
honest drum
and that was scummy
native willow
Yeah and I didn’t say they’re good people
honest drum
but it's unfair to call strauss worse
native willow
It’s an opinion
honest drum
ye ik
native willow
I find the fact that he was backhanded and a snake to be worse
honest drum
im just explaining my views
native willow
Fair enough
honest drum
I find the fact that he was backhanded and a snake to be worse
how was he a snake
?
he never betrayed them
native willow
He lends money to people he know can’t pay it back then sends Arthur on him as if he’s doing something good
That’s slimey af
He doesn’t even do his own dirty work
honest drum
yes because he's a loan shark lol
which is bad
ik that
but it ain't worse than what the rest did
🤷♂️
native willow
Strauss mostly targeted innocent people though
honest drum
idk about you but i'd much rather be taken advantage of than shot as a lawmen doing a robbery
lawmen are innocent
so are the soldiers of the US army
most at least
honest drum
they still get killed though lmao
native willow
Wow really I had no idea
native willow
Then stop trying to change my opinion
honest drum
but he isn't worse than the rest imo
native willow
You can have your own thoughts idc
honest drum
im sharing mine
hidden moss
Hi again
sinful hound
Elloo
sinful hound
No they are not the same 🤣
Yes, that's what I said.
hidden moss
lol
native willow
golden vector
He basically died for a gang that kicked him out and fell apart, despite Being a...
red dead redemption 3 you play as strauss 😳
native willow
red dead redemption 3 you play as strauss 😳
delicate sparrow
rdr3 but agent ross
native willow
native willow
Yeah that’s easily the worst/saddest
honest drum
actually no i take it back
worst yes
not saddest
low honour help john is sadder
imo
dire glade
Why's white Arabian not at lake Isabella?
mental merlin
idk
hidden moss
AYYYyyy
verbal prairie
because you're not looking hard enough
I love when the Strauss arguement comes up lol
but I will always stand to defend Strauss
not that he was a good person necessarily, but that he didn't deserve what he got
native willow
not that he was a good person necessarily, but that he didn't deserve what he go...
That’s fair enough
mental merlin
I’m wanted and police went right beside me and I was in a bush and some how they didn’t see me
native willow
But I don’t blame Arthur for doing what he did
worldly gulch
I do find it quite interesting that the gang have no issues killing and robbing but they look down on the work that Strauss does
hidden moss
yeah
verbal prairie
I do blame Arthur
native willow
Yeah none of them are good people
golden vector
because the gang still saw it as robbing the rich, since strauss being a money lender to poor people was everything they went against
verbal prairie
I think it was genuinely a mistake by him
native willow
because the gang still saw it as robbing the rich, since strauss being a money l...
Yeah this
worldly gulch
because the gang still saw it as robbing the rich, since strauss being a money l...
Yeah that makes sense, modern day Robin hoods
hidden moss
Wait I'm confused
verbal prairie
because the gang still saw it as robbing the rich, since strauss being a money l...
what about the poor they robbed on trains and during banks
and the innocent lives that were ended due to them
golden vector
those were rich people
native willow
Arthur feeling that strauss was wrong made me feel he was wrong
verbal prairie
nah there were def poor people
golden vector
in the pouring forth oil mission?
native willow
Yeah but the gang losing their way was the point of the game
verbal prairie
they had like 5$ on them at least so e
I'm talking generally across all heists where you rob regular citizens
native willow
A lot of them still thought they were robin hoods even if those days were long gone
golden vector
pal, have you considered what 5$ is today just carrying that in your pocket
verbal prairie
yeah..?
native willow
verbal prairie
but no rich person is carrying only a 5
worldly gulch
I guess its the fact that someone who has to borrow money generally doesn't have the means to repay
verbal prairie
those people on trains and in banks were innocent anyway, could've been hard working families that barely had enough for food
worldly gulch
Whereas some common joe Billy who can afford to ride a train and has $5 on him isnt a vagrant
golden vector
robbing general and common workers that don’t have a lot of money was not justified that i do agree with
verbal prairie
I don't think being able to afford a train constitutes as 'not being poor'
they could be using the train for any number of reasons
and then this gang of outlaws suddenly comes and robs them
native willow
Don’t the poorer people usually ride in the more run down cars
The nicer cars are rich people
golden vector
The nicer cars are rich people
i mean cars were invented in 1885 so perhaps 😳
verbal prairie
cars as in train cars
golden vector
still what about robbing automobiles tho 😳
verbal prairie
also this conversation isn't even bringing up the countless massacres
golden vector
those were fucked ya
verbal prairie
blackwater? strawberry? valentine? Saint denis?
I simply struggle to see how Strauss is any worse than the rest of the gang, is all
hidden moss
I am seriously thinking about permanently stop using reddit, it seems that every time I go there even to ask questions about rdr I lose 10 IQ points
golden vector
so i suppose in conclusion to the conversation we could say that Strauss is no good man, however he is no worse than the gang members who have murdered many people themselves, except for the more innocent ones like tilly or jack ect.
sand apex
I simply struggle to see how Strauss is any worse than the rest of the gang, is ...
sure but like when the gang robs someone or something they try to NOT hurt innocent civilians
the train job with john for example
sand apex
sure u do hit them but u dont kill them
verbal prairie
nice one lol
sand apex
they only murder lawmen
mental merlin
what’s the point of well-being after you beat the game
sand apex
yea
verbal prairie
sure, and Strauss TRIED not to hurt those poor people, but they just unfortunately didn't have enough money...
how sad
guess it's not his fault after all
sand apex
or he only loaned to really poor people that wouldnt be able to pay it back
verbal prairie
and policemen TRY not to kill people unnecessarily...
but unfortunately things happens...
but it's alright, at least they TRIED!
golden vector
sure, and Strauss TRIED not to hurt those poor people, but they just unfortunate...
kinda, he did say “If he doesn’t have the money, beat him” to arthur.
verbal prairie
right?
golden vector
and it is only common sense for him not liking when the debtors die, cause that’s very bad for business y’know
sinful hound
Sup sup
verbal prairie
pal, the gang can try not to hurt innocents all they want. but it won't save the lives and trauma of their victims ahahaaha
'try'
oh, and they can TRY not to hurt them, but that sure won't bring back their hard earned, stolen money
golden vector
is it too late to respond now
verbal prairie
hm?
sand apex
im not saying not hurt
im saying they dont KILL them
valentine, strawberry, saint denis
it was all killing LAWMEN
verbal prairie
ahahaaha
sand apex
even the bank jobs
verbal prairie
good stuff buddy
golden vector
you ok
native willow
hidden moss
What are you talking about?
verbal prairie
let's murder all the lawmen in a city so we can get some money to spend on ourselves
native willow
bet
honest drum
it was all killing LAWMEN
lawmen, the inhuman robots
no families
no friends
just lawmen
:)
verbal prairie
let's rob these innocent folk who really don't have much money compared to us, so we can have some more money to spend on our next robbery
sand apex
yeah they were outlaws what do you expect
verbal prairie
I expect them to be complete assholes
verbal prairie
with no regard for the innocent folk
sand apex
strauss was basically killing the loaners
honest drum
arthur was basically killing innocent people
verbal prairie
I can't actually believe you trying to justify the gang and THEN go onto hate Strauss for doing what he did
honest drum
ikr
like i love arthur, hosea and that
but they weren't good ppl
they did some good
verbal prairie
lemme tell you, I've had this arguement a couple times and people have given some good points, but you are just speaking completely out of your ass
with all due respect
native willow
golden vector
“ima defend criminal robberies and murders then hate on a money lender”
honest drum
plus arthur killed downes
verbal prairie
Helix is typing...
Helix is no longer typing...
honest drum
not strauss
verbal prairie
yeah Andi mena
honest drum
strauss didn't say kill the man
verbal prairie
oops
golden vector
tuberculosis was the #1 reason for it, but when arthur beat down on downes that just made him a lot more prone to succumb to it
verbal prairie
yeah, and I mean had Arthur just said to Strauss 'no, this is out of line, I won't do this', none of it would've happened
sand apex
ok they are outlaws and they kill people and shit
native willow
tuberculosis was the #1 reason for it, but when arthur beat down on downes that ...
yea
golden vector
arthur himself didn’t necessarily kill downes is all i’m saying
native willow
just like how arthur would have lasted longer if he ditched and just went somewhere to rest (not that it was possible)
Arthur made it worse on the guy for sure though
sand apex
but lending money to people who are really poor is okay
golden vector
nobody said strauss was a good guy
verbal prairie
can you not see us literally and blatantly saying Strauss IS A BAD PERSON
native willow
not that I've been making this argument for a while, but I suppose Strauss isn't worse, I just hate him way more
honest drum
but lending money to people who are really poor is okay
no one said it was okay
verbal prairie
we said it so many times bro, what???
honest drum
strauss did bad
verbal prairie
I just think he shouldn't have been kicked out
honest drum
but it's unfair to call him worse
verbal prairie
and what gameroll said
verbal prairie
all he needed was a firm 'no, you need to stop and find another way of making money' it's that simple
the way he saw it, it wasn't wrong
hidden moss
but lending money to people who are really poor is okay
but to give money to the poor is a good thing, the problem is to STEAL the rich to give to the poor, after all how do you prove that all the rich dr rdr 2 and 1 are bad people? course some or the other must be but not all
verbal prairie
he was helping people in hopes of interest
honest drum
but to give money to the poor is a good thing, the problem is to STEAL the rich ...
what
verbal prairie
that's all
sand apex
YEAH
verbal prairie
if Arthur just explained to Strauss that he needs to do something else, none of it would've happened
sand apex
i am hating on him for what he did
verbal prairie
?
honest drum
strauss could of easily found other ways if arthur made him
verbal prairie
surprise surprise pal, we all are
hidden moss
what
I arrived late and from what I understood the guy who answered was defending the rdr rich to be robbed to help the poor
🍿 
sand apex
but i never said he should have kicked out either
native willow
if Arthur just explained to Strauss that he needs to do something else, none of ...
Wouldn't that be up to Dutch
verbal prairie
no tbone
verbal prairie
Arthur had all the power to kick him out
honest drum
donating to the poor is good but stealing money for it isn’t as good
ye it's a bit strange, like they took from the rich and gave to the poor, but also just gave to the poor sometimes
verbal prairie
he was basically second in command especially when Hosea died
so he could've easily redirected him too
hidden moss
yeah
honest drum
like once they were gonna rob a stagecoach, but it was full of poor women and children so they fed and clothed them instead, the next day the o'driscolls had massacred them all
native willow
sure, but forcing someone out when shit is hitting the fan, is a lot different than sitting down with strauss and being like "hey man, we gotta find you some legitimate work"
honest drum
another reason why they hated colm
sand apex
my point is what he did wasnt good but why kick him out for doing that
verbal prairie
what do you mean by that tbone?
verbal prairie
my point is what he did wasnt good but why kick him out for doing that
?
golden vector
like once they were gonna rob a stagecoach, but it was full of poor women and ch...
i think they were rich, but still let them go because they were only women and children.
honest drum
ye
golden vector
but the o’driscolls are fucked
honest drum
the VDL gang did a lot of good back in the day
verbal prairie
that's exactly what we're saying, but I do recall you defending the gangs actions then shunning Strauss's
sand apex
well strauss told arthur to beat him if he doesnt have the money
native willow
well do you guys like Strauss? like I've come around to your point
but like fuck him
verbal prairie
hes alright
sand apex
and he gave money to really pooor people
verbal prairie
bro
honest drum
well
sand apex
and then they spend that money
sand apex
and they dont have anymore so they cant repay it
honest drum
sort of like meh
verbal prairie
bro he gave the poor money, he simply expected it back with interest AS PROMISED@sand apex
golden vector
well do you guys like Strauss? like I've come around to your point
we don’t necessarily hate him nor like him we only acknowledge he wasn’t a good person when compared to nothing
verbal prairie
he didn't see anything wrong in that??
cant you see us saying he should've been told otherwise
honest drum
tbf he was a loan shark
verbal prairie
its that simple
hidden moss
well I hate strauss cuz he is the reason arthur got tb and he made bad business. fuck strauss
native willow
we don’t necessarily hate him nor like him we only acknowledge he wasn’t a good ...
okay cause I just want to make my point clear. I follow what you guys are saying
hidden moss
bro he gave the poor money, he simply expected it back with interest AS PROMISED...
How did they get that money? Stealing innocents
hidden moss
Woo
honest drum
well I hate strauss cuz he is the reason arthur got tb and he made bad business....
arthur got tb nothing to do with strauss
verbal prairie
lol?
sand apex
well shouldnt he give money to people who he actually KNOWS they'll repay
hidden moss
nah he was forced to collect
verbal prairie
@sand apex don't you think perhaps all he needed was a push in the right direction from Arthur? or even dutch
sand apex
"yoo look at this dude he has no money at all lets give him a loan and then beat him up if he doesnt repay it"
yeah he should have
native willow
alright gang well, I'm gonna go play Undead Nightmare, have fun with this discussion
sand apex
have fun tbone
hidden moss
bye
native willow
hidden moss
what do you think if rdr2 had an expansion for singleplayer where you are a pinkerton?
golden vector
probably the most character i could relate to
extremely insignificant and loses before the fight even begins
verbal prairie
it'd be bad
honest drum
what do you think if rdr2 had an expansion for singleplayer where you are a pink...
no
please god no
sand apex
god hell no
hidden moss
Why?
honest drum
basically boring recipe
sand apex
what would you do
honest drum
what story is there
hidden moss
just no
verbal prairie
lmfao
sand apex
omg lets go catch bad guys in a wild west game!!111!!!
sand apex
i'd rather go golfing than play that
hidden moss
yeah
it could be similar to gta 4, while arthur follows the "world of crime" pinkerton tries to hunt other gangs, maybe that wouldn’t work like gta 4 since the launch of that game was made to have 3 protagonists
golden vector
omg lets go catch bad guys in a wild west game!!111!!!
rdr1
sand apex
well
sand apex
yeah
golden vector
same context
honest drum
not rlly thoigh
sand apex
yeah
honest drum
john was being forced too
hidden moss
basically boring recipe
it could be similar to gta 4, while arthur follows the "world of crime" pinkerton tries to hunt other gangs, maybe that wouldn’t work like gta 4 since the launch of that game was made to have 3 protagonists
why would be boring?
hidden moss
Yes
golden vector
am i missing something?
sand apex
i didnt play rdr1 but
honest drum
why would be boring?
what. story.
verbal prairie
wtf lmfaoo
honest drum
am i missing something?
yes, your not 'catching bad guys'
sand apex
he was forced by the pinkertons
hidden moss
I could tell you how I don't know. this pinkerton was one of the reasons for micah to infiltrate the gang
sand apex
i dont know the full story but
honest drum
difference
golden vector
yes, your not 'catching bad guys'
guess 90% of the story is gone fellas, r.i.p 😔
hidden moss
what. story.
this the rockstar would have to decide not me
honest drum
guess 90% of the story is gone fellas, r.i.p 😔
lmfao
sand apex
arent u hunting ex gang members and
the pinkertons hold johns wife and son hostage or something like that
honest drum
in rdr1 your not doing ypur job
verbal prairie
see ya
honest drum
they get arrested and John is forced to hunt down Bill, Javier and Dutch
sand apex
yeah
honest drum
otherwise they're sent to prison and john is hung
sand apex
so he was forced to and they werent 100% bad guys
hidden moss
but a summary of the story would be that, you are hunting criminals who are tormenting the tycoons of saint denis
honest drum
I think we all probably agree Dutch deserved his fate
no not imo
i feel rlly bad for him
golden vector
so he was forced to and they werent 100% bad guys
i mean javier was only working for the government that involved his killer skills so kinda
sand apex
yeah but he was listening to micah
verbal prairie
it's not that I don't feel bad for him but him doing everything he did do was fucked up and I in no way can excuse it all because he shot Micah
yeah but who's fault is it really
hidden moss
his rather tragic fate
the end of dutch in rdr 1 was very "calm" for the amount of shit he did, that woman he killed in the bank, she could be a family mom: "daddy's mommy? she'll be back son ... "
verbal prairie
Micah, sure.but on top of that he was a leader, he had to be able to keep his cool when shit gets rough
sand apex
i mean javier was only working for the government that involved his killer skill...
it'd be tough to make a game as a real agent and not copy rdr1s story
verbal prairie
and he failed in that responsibility
honest drum
he was just avenging arthur then, by rdr1 the line 'our time has passed, john' hit's different because he finally realises what he couldn't
dutch was a sad man
who lost everything
and everyone he loved
verbal prairie
i mean that is pretty tragic man, but as I said it was really his responsibilities to keep his cool
golden vector
i think it was a bit more of doing it for himself rather than avenging arthur, though you could most definitely say he did it for arthur technically which isn’t really incorrect, in my thinking he did it for pure revenge and that he is the reason his gang fell and he was driven into madness
sand apex
and the line where javier said dutch killed the woman in a bad way
honest drum
ye he shot an innocent woman on the boat
sand apex
kinda explains that
honest drum
it was chaos
sand apex
but guess what
honest drum
he lost his cool
sand apex
it was micahs fault for the ferry job
sand apex
he got dutch mad excited for it
verbal prairie
he lost his cool
do you think he was in a place where that's acceptable?
honest drum
no
like i said by 1899 he was becoming more unstable because the world was civilising
he was losing what he loved
sand apex
has a couple of bounties cause im doing 100% and challenges and shit
dutch: ARE YOU TRYNA GET US KILLED???
but later on
dutch fucking fights with the fucking army
lean sparrow
Why cant i play this game for long it gets boring quickly
honest drum
'good, i prefer it this way'
fucking shoots cornwall
honest drum
Why cant i play this game for long it gets boring quickly
not boring, just not your style of game
sand apex
Why cant i play this game for long it gets boring quickly
what chapter are u at
hidden moss
so you wouldn't want to be a pinkerton in rdr 2 for the same reason that people don't like tbogt? takes away the realism and sadness of the story?
lean sparrow
not boring, just not your style of game
No i love it i have complete it 2 times but after that it feels boring
verbal prairie
well yeah...
sand apex
chapter 1 and 2 werent that good tbh
verbal prairie
if you play it twice you're gonna get tired out
you can't expect a game to be playable 3 times over for everyone
honest drum
well after 2 playthroughs u may get bored, personally after 8+ im still not bored but it's understandable if you are
have you 100%'d it?
if not try that
a lot of fun
sand apex
100% can be fun but
lean sparrow
No its too hard im on 96
honest drum
you find places you never would of found
lean sparrow
Yes
sand apex
what about the dreamcatchers?
lean sparrow
Yes
sand apex
cigar cards?
verbal prairie
you haven't missed missable content have you?
lean sparrow
Yes
verbal prairie
is there missable content?
sand apex
have u studied guarma animals
verbal prairie
idk I'm not an 100% guy
honest drum
i can see why you may be bored then lol
lean sparrow
have u studied guarma animals
No
verbal prairie
rip
sand apex
rip
hidden moss
me here just wating answers
golden vector
the dream catchers, dinosaur bones, rock carvings and all those things make the 100% fun until you get shit like gambler 8 & 9, or herbalist 9 or pretty much the majority of the challenges
verbal prairie
F in chat
hidden moss
F
sand apex
cause u need to study the guarma animals for 100%
lean sparrow
i can see why you may be bored then lol
How long have you been playing the game for
sand apex
idk if theres still unpatched glitches for going to guarma
as john
or after chapter 5
lean sparrow
I have a save file there
sand apex
well u might have a save file there but
u need them on your main file to get 100% on it...
lean sparrow
since launch
Ok
sand apex
the same save file u 100%ing on
im not 100% sure if u need guarma animals for 100% tho
sand apex
do u
honest drum
What do you mostly do in the game
i mean whatever i come across
or like i may go fishing
sand apex
why are they in the compendium then if u dont need them
honest drum
in the mountains
lean sparrow
im not 100% sure if u need guarma animals for 100% tho
Dont think so
honest drum
or huntinh
golden vector
idk if you really need the guarma animals for the 100%, sorta like the lion from that stranger mission where you take the trophy instead of actually studying or skinning them, though may still be wrong idk
golden vector
yeah
honest drum
at all
golden vector
plus
honest drum
u only need to study 50 animals
sand apex
do u need the special weapons for 100%
honest drum
do u need the special weapons for 100%
no
golden vector
for 100% you only need to study the 50 animals
lean sparrow
Do you guys play on ps4
sand apex
like micahs revolver
honest drum
for 100% you only need to study the 50 animals
ye
sand apex
i do
sand apex
that doesnt sound easy but i started 100% knowing it'll be a challenge
golden vector
any weapon, whether special or bought from a gunsmith
golden vector
that doesnt sound easy but i started 100% knowing it'll be a challenge
speaking of challenges...
honest drum
gambler challenges
sand apex
is horseback 9 possible as arthur anyways
honest drum
herbalist
honest drum
is horseback 9 possible as arthur anyways
it's possible but like very very very hard
golden vector
hell yeah
honest drum
like super hard
golden vector
blackjack supremacy
verbal prairie
poker and bj are the only ones I even know how to play
honest drum
dominoes is way worse than poker imi
verbal prairie
wtf is dominoes
honest drum
poker and bj are the only ones I even know how to play
same
sand apex
guess ill do it after chapter 5 so i can buy the legend of the west scatchel and have 99 health
honest drum
wdym buy the legend of the east satchel
sand apex
or i can just do it as john and be super ez
sand apex
dont u need to finish chapter 5 to buy scatchels
sand apex
ooh
golden vector
the satchels are kinda easy to make tbh
sand apex
well that sucks
honest drum
the satchels are kinda easy to make tbh
ye
golden vector
a lot of time but still easy for me
honest drum
what chapyer
sand apex
2
honest drum
nice
sand apex
middle of chapter 2 or near the end
sand apex
idk if i should do story first or the other stuff first
sand apex
132 hours in game or in real life time
golden vector
132 hours in rdr2 is like a little over 1 hour irl