Okay, I understood the message of the game, but I don't believe it. I believe that in many cases revenge can be an extremely good thing
#red-dead-singleplayer
hidden moss
muted jetty
revenge occurs a shitton in RDR 1 and RDR 2
honest drum
revenge occurs a shitton in RDR 1 and RDR 2
yes... and thats the point
rdr1 is that you can't outrun your past
and it isn't revenge
in rdr1
john isn't doing it to get back at bill, dutch and javier
he has too
and in rdr2, thats literally the whole point
revenge causes everything bad
that happens to them
hidden moss
Ok but you are using a game as an example, you can even say that revenge was bad in the case of this game, but there are several other cases in which it was good
verbal prairie
revenge is never glorified
hidden moss
and bad for who? only if you are the protagonist, do you think that the average citizen of the old west likes bandits that torment their city? seeing them dead can be a relief
honest drum
Ok but you are using a game as an example, you can even say that revenge was bad...
im just saying it's the point of the game
hidden moss
oh
compact wing
Okay, I understood the message of the game, but I don't believe it. I believe th...
it depends
muted jetty
also i still want to clarify that at minimum in RDR the government is super corrupt
compact wing
by itself revenge sucks
honest drum
and bad for who? only if you are the protagonist, do you think that the average ...
you really don't understand
hidden moss
it depends
I had said that before
muted jetty
they literally kidnap the marston family
hidden moss
you really don't understand
I just understood, I thought you were comparing revenge in the game, with real life
verbal prairie
Dutch takes revenge on Bronte for Jack yet it's not glorified (remember, it was even for Jack). Dutchs murder of Bronte made him look evil
honest drum
john was a fucking bad piece of shit
muted jetty
since when is kidnapping not breaking the law
compact wing
v for vendetta is an example that shows that revenge can be "goodl
honest drum
and they arrested them
compact wing
"
verbal prairie
LOL
honest drum
not kidnapping
hidden moss
I don't even know what movie this is
muted jetty
what did jack do in 1911 that was deserving of getting arrested?
muted jetty
also they weren't arrested, they were explicitly abducted
verbal prairie
they try to glorify the lady being kidnapped and tortured, and make her fall in love with v acting as if the love was real
honest drum
what did jack do in 1911 that was deserving of getting arrested?
john*
and he was an outlaw
who escaped
12 yrs before
verbal prairie
no not at all, v was a maniac vigilante
hidden moss
what did jack do in 1911 that was deserving of getting arrested?
Depends on what the player does? if he goes around killing all the citizens ...
muted jetty
jack was abducted too
honest drum
waiting 12 years doesn't fix anything
honest drum
jack was abducted too
wait i see what you mean, they were affiliates of the VDL Gang
muted jetty
that's abduction
compact wing
v just played the game
honest drum
plus they were only using them as blackmail
muted jetty
blackmail is illegal dude
verbal prairie
Jack got taken by Bronte and Dutch drowned him, are we gonna justify dutchs killing because it was 'revenge'?
hidden moss
can someone explain to me what happened in V vendeta?
muted jetty
it's extortion
honest drum
Jack got taken by Bronte and Dutch drowned him, are we gonna justify dutchs kill...
thats the whole point
verbal prairie
they try to glorify the lady being kidnapped and tortured, and make her fall in ...
@hidden moss
honest drum
revenge is a fools game
verbal prairie
yeah that's my point lol
muted jetty
stop copy-pasting the same thing
verbal prairie
I'm with you here
you're blatantly ignoring it and making the same 'revenge' point
not how you win an arguement I'm afraid
hidden moss
they try to glorify the lady being kidnapped and tortured, and make her fall in ...
it is serious? I thought the movie was like: a hero comes and kills all the bad guys in your town like a hero
muted jetty
@honest drum also, statute of limitations does say that certain crimes can't be tried against eachother after a specific amount of time
verbal prairie
lol nah 50% of the plot is V kidnapping and torturing the lady acting like it was for her good, the rest is him blowing stuff up
honest drum
the point of the game is that you can't outrun your past
muted jetty
jack literally can
hidden moss
I don't WANT to get involved in this government bid to be "corrupt" or not. because this is my own ideological question
muted jetty
he wouldn't be america's most wanted for one murder that he was loosely tied to
verbal prairie
TFW camora tells me to stop copy pasting and then goes on to repeat the same point which I disproved: 😐
oh but they were bad people oh dear me!
muted jetty
two people
honest drum
a person that matches the description that the wife gave
lives on john's ranch
wears johns hat
and has a motive
what else do you need?
muted jetty
we have no idea if jack stayed on that ranch after he killed him
honest drum
yes and i don't believe he did
muted jetty
he probably would've fled, he's not dumb
honest drum
yes ik i agree
verbal prairie
if you see Arthur or jack as good people by any means you're missing the entire point of any of these games
honest drum
this is what i think happened
muted jetty
and hopping a state pretty much guarantees you won't get caught in 1914
honest drum
if you see Arthur or jack as good people by any means you're missing the entire ...
they weren't good ppl
verbal prairie
same people probably think Walter White was a good person and skyler was a bad one
verbal prairie
I can't believe I have to argue this point at all
honest drum
as well as help
verbal prairie
people who kill, no matter their intent are by definition bad, immoral people
muted jetty
my arthur only ever stole from the rich and stuck it to the man
morality doesn't have a definition @verbal prairie
verbal prairie
no your Arthur killed Pinkertons and robbed from the working class (the train robberies for example)
honest drum
grays
pinkertons
cornwalls men
he did redeem himself morally in a way, but he still wasn't a good dude
he saw that
at the end
and he was sorry
but still
verbal prairie
you're not seriously gonna justify the killin of the Pinkertons are you?
honest drum
doesn't make him a hero
muted jetty
@verbal prairie robbed the working class? you mean when you do those train robberies on rich folks going on vacations to cuba? those dudes definitely weren't working class in 1799
*1899
verbal prairie
you literally steal from people with about 10$ on hand
I wouldn't call those rich people
verbal prairie
Thomas downes is a good example
crimson bronze
Arthur knows at the end of the day. He's a shitbag.
verbal prairie
yeah
honest drum
Arthur knows at the end of the day. He's a shitbag.
ye
in the end he sees it
and tries to do the best he can with the time he has left
verbal prairie
he does everything he can in chapter 6 to redeem himself (hence, the name) but it doesn't change his actions
honest drum
but he still wasn't a good guy
verbal prairie
redemption won't bring back the dead
muted jetty
ah yes the pinkerton detective agency, people who never did anything wrong in the slightest
verbal prairie
no lol
honest drum
so? ik they weren't that great ppl
verbal prairie
you're completely misreading it
honest drum
but he still killed them
verbal prairie
the average Pinkerton worker wasn't bad
honest drum
yes
verbal prairie
the agency as a whole was bad
honest drum
they weren't
verbal prairie
but the average workers doin their job?
verbal prairie
did they deserve to die just so Arthur can rob a train?
honest drum
don't forget the US army
just because their leaders are shitbags to the indians
doesn't mean all of them were
muted jetty
they literally talk about individual soldiers harming native americans IN THE GAME
honest drum
ye he does
verbal prairie
they shouldn't worry about the soldiers
honest drum
they literally talk about individual soldiers harming native americans IN THE GA...
you don't know history do you
like at all
muted jetty
i DO, you don't
verbal prairie
so far to me you've been trying to justify murderers and thieves
honest drum
ah yes because im sure the 16 year old from colarado arthur loots in that tar mission gone wrong was a raping shitbag
like you seem to believe
they weren't all good ppl
the soldiers
but most were
hidden moss
Imagine a dlc where you play as other gang members
native dew
Or even more in the past
honest drum
like yes there were soldiers who killed innocent native americans
but most didn't do that
verbal prairie
what about the debt missions? are we gonna sit here and say Arthur was innocent just because it wasn't his idea? in the end, sure he did kick out Strauss but he still needed a lot to reach that point. what about the kid who's father he killed and robbed? I mean seriously there's absolutely no way we can justify that
crimson bronze
I'd say Hosea while still being a lying, robbing degenerate atleast had schemes that really didn't harm anyone. He was a flimflam man.
hidden moss
On my second i play through i found out why bill didnt like going with the indians
verbal prairie
@muted jetty I really wanna see you justify the debting of the man and his son
even that action alone makes him a bad person if we ignore every other thing he's done
honest drum
On my second i play through i found out why bill didnt like going with the india...
ye
on the boat
about to raid bronte
muted jetty
I don't like collecting depts lol, do you think i think of these people as all good or something
crimson bronze
Arthur Loathed being a debt collector but in terms of legality, Strauss was right on the money with that, It was the most legal 'work' he was doing
muted jetty
viridian is correct
verbal prairie
I think the debting was evil, and therefore Arthur was evil as he had every power to stop it earlier
even if he hated it, he never stopped it
honest drum
'them indians were savages'
'you better watch your mouth boy'
'dutch.. i saw thing-'
'i dont doubt you saw things, but your tiny little mind was to small to comprehend what you saw. What you saw were people who lost everything to savagery'
verbal prairie
he had all the power to
honest drum
Arthur Loathed being a debt collector but in terms of legality, Strauss was righ...
so loan sharks are good ppl?
muted jetty
this entire argument hinges on nuace being dead and everything breaking into nice little moral boxes
honest drum
no.. your defending them killing innocent people
crimson bronze
No, There isn't exactly, but a loan is a like an investment, in a person.
verbal prairie
this entire arguement hinges on not defending a murderer and thief
I'm sorry, but as far as Arthur had good intentions, it changes absolutely nothing
it's an idea even touched in superhero films
honest drum
tell me this, with a yes or no answer, was arthur a good person? @muted jetty @crimson bronze
verbal prairie
they save the day, but at the end they leave a destroyed city and overall there's people dying because of them
muted jetty
@honest drum morality is subjective, nuance exists, and in a game where you can chose to kill entire towns, i don't think it's really a good question to ask
muted jetty
literally i just explained why it isn't a yes/no question
verbal prairie
in terms of canons, not player decisions, Arthur is still a bad person
robbing the innocent on a train for a quick example
doing the debting for another
killing Pinkerton's and soldier
these are all mandatory actions in the game
not choosing to shoot up a town
these are things Arthur has to do in every playthrough
and all undeniably evil things
crimson bronze
Generally? No, At the end of the day, his only redeeming moments were in his final days with the absolving of the last debts, ensuring the financial securities of Londonderry's Widow, J. J. Weathers and his wife, and Edith and Archie Downes along with ensuring that the Marston family were able to attempt going straight.
honest drum
<@!310122180752965642> morality is subjective, nuance exists, and in a game wher...
so you wouldn't say hitler was a bad person then? because someone being good or bad isn't a yes or no question to you
i mean like you wouldn't say 'hitler was a bad guy'
muted jetty
you literally cannot comprehend nuance can you
honest drum
you literally cannot comprehend that they killed and robbed innocent people
and if you think thats what good people do
then the world is fucked
verbal prairie
what's the nuance in Hitler being good or bad?
it's a simple yes or no answer to most people
muted jetty
you factor in the nuance of hitler and he still ends up being bad because it's not like he did good things
verbal prairie
Hitler's soldiers? that's a different question
honest drum
exactly
muted jetty
you take a character who does BOTH BAD AND GOOD THINGS and you have nuance
honest drum
you factor in the nuance of hitler and he still ends up being bad because it's n...
tell me how hitler didn't do good things as well?
muted jetty
@honest drum dude i'm german, nothing he did was good for us.
verbal prairie
you have nuance in the idea that he did good things but I say again, will those good things save the lives of the innocent?
honest drum
so your telling me, in his 45 or smth years on the planet, he never did ONE good thing?
verbal prairie
I mean you genuinely massacre Pinkertons man
I think most people agree that Arthur had his moments, he did good things and had good intentions
but still killed, and nothing changes that
honest drum
bad people do good things
good people do bad things
arthur was a bad person
but he did some good things
even when the gang were in their prime
muted jetty
he freed slaves, donated to the poor, beat up the klan, absolved people's debts, and saved a good dozens of people's lives
honest drum
he freed slaves, donated to the poor, beat up the klan, absolved people's debts,...
buttt he also killed thousands of lawmen and people tryna do their jobs
and killed downses
muted jetty
THOUSANDS? definitely not
hidden moss
he killed the bad guys though
honest drum
bruh lmao
deffo thousands
he did 20 years
of robbing
and killing
we kill like 100 people a mission
muted jetty
you know the number of enemies are inflated for gameplay, right?
hidden moss
game roll has a good point
honest drum
thats not our point lmao
he still killed
BECAUSE he was robbing the bank in the first place
verbal prairie
let's say your mother was the wife of an innocent killed by arthur, now think, would him giving you some money redeem him?
hidden moss
btw gameplay kills dont count
verbal prairie
would him absolving your debt you happen to owe redeem him?
honest drum
btw gameplay kills dont count
to a certain extent they do
verbal prairie
Edith downes surely wasn't happy with her money
verbal prairie
btw gameplay kills dont count
im thinking main mission kills
verbal prairie
free roam obviously not
if it counted I could massacre all of the map and argue he's a bad person for that
honest drum
my john has a 1k bounty in each state but canon wise he gets concerned over a 50 dollar one
muted jetty
yeah 50$ in 1899 is alot
honest drum
thats not my point lmao#
verbal prairie
he freed slaves, donated to the poor, beat up the klan, absolved people's debts,...
also btw a lot of that is free roam like killing KKK lol
muted jetty
the most based approach
verbal prairie
donating to the poor, free roam
muted jetty
the slaves are a stranger mission, full cannon ending is doing all of the stranger missions
honest drum
the slaves are a stranger mission, full cannon ending is doing all of the strang...
source?
because by default, main missions are the only official canon
unless the devs say different
verbal prairie
absolving debts? lol? what about the other debts he didn't, what about the father he killed over a debt
and also he only really absolves 1 debt, Jameson you can choose to take from
as far as I remember
muted jetty
we know that the true ending of rdr2 is high honor help john
so that means that in canon arthur would've been high honor
muted jetty
thus, high honor choices are going to be canon
verbal prairie
thus, high honour Arthur also killed and robbed the innocent
verbal prairie
you're completely ignoring what we're saying, we've clearly acknowledged his good actions
muted jetty
side missions are canon lol
honest drum
side missions are canon lol
again.. source?
verbal prairie
but you're struggling to acknowledge that he's a murderer
honest drum
because like i said
side missions aren't canon
by default
if rockstar said they are
then fe
if they were, side missions wouldn't be side missions
they'd be main
muted jetty
that's not how game design works when it comes to story
humble coral
what are you discussing guys
honest drum
what are you discussing guys
they don't think that arthur was a bad guy
despite him killing thousands of people
he did good shit yes
crimson bronze
If we're considering 100% completion as canon
muted jetty
thousands is impossible dude
crimson bronze
Then yes, the side missions have to be canon
muted jetty
20 years? one man?
honest drum
of robbing and killing
humble coral
well arthur definetly was a bad man during his life but i think that's mainly because of dutch and his philosophies
humble coral
i mean it kinda had to do
honest drum
despite doing good
muted jetty
i think the man who raised arthur does
humble coral
because he raised them
muted jetty
yes
humble coral
from the young age
humble coral
and teached them everything about the life
honest drum
he still killed people....
humble coral
yes he did mate
muted jetty
and so do people in the army
humble coral
im not saying he wasn't a bad man
muted jetty
are they bad people?
honest drum
thats the stupidest argument i've ever heard lmao
muted jetty
nuance exists
honest drum
the army was for a good cause
honest drum
not for fucking robbing
muted jetty
no literally it does, in the criminal courts, intent matters
that's why we have like 5 different forms of murder
verbal prairie
intent makes him have good intentions that's all
humble coral
however in the game i don't think arthur ever kills innocent people unless you make him to
humble coral
so game wants you to choose
verbal prairie
he does lol
humble coral
whether you want arthur to be good or bad guy
honest drum
no literally it does, in the criminal courts, intent matters
yes and arthur killed to get money
verbal prairie
Pinkertons, us soldiers
humble coral
i dont remember
honest drum
those weren't good people
excuse me what
humble coral
you know who pinketons were
verbal prairie
Pinkertons weren't good people?
verbal prairie
did I hear correct
humble coral
you dont know whether they were bad or good people
verbal prairie
the higher ups in the Pinkertons were obviously bad
humble coral
they literally wanted to murder
honest drum
do your fucking research mate, the pinkertons as a whole were bad
humble coral
their captain
verbal prairie
but regular pinkerton workers?
honest drum
it's like german soldier
in WW2
@humble coral i suggest you read through this entire discussion
muted jetty
am german, all german soldiers in ww2 were nazis, we left, they could've
honest drum
we've covered this
honest drum
u don't even know the history of your own country
muted jetty
yes the fucking could
muted jetty
germans were allowed to leave the country you dumbass
humble coral
pinkertons were scums
honest drum
you can't just go 'aight im going home'
honest drum
germans were allowed to leave the country you dumbass
bruh
humble coral
and army, we can't really tell who's bad guy or who isn't
honest drum
i mean SOLDIERS
verbal prairie
yeah and there were innocents in the army, no?
muted jetty
the pinkertons were used to prevent the WORKERS from getting FAIR WAGES
humble coral
if i cant argue they were bad people then you cant argue they were good poeple
because guess what? no1 fucking knows
honest drum
the pinkertons were used to prevent the WORKERS from getting FAIR WAGES
so you think every pinkerton goon does this?
muted jetty
@verbal prairie in the rule of war, no armed combattant is an innocent, only those who are civilians are
honest drum
because guess what? no1 fucking knows
well we do know that most soldiers weren't bad people
verbal prairie
every last one of them
muted jetty
who's saying they deserved it
humble coral
??????
verbal prairie
I'm saying they didnt
muted jetty
who's saying they deserved
hidden moss
absolving debts? lol? what about the other debts he didn't, what about the fathe...
in the story he says to that he feels terribly sorry and suffers for it everyday, he was a bad man, yes he killed people, but in the end he changed, he found redemption and died as a good man. Arthur is redeemed. k bye
humble coral
i literally said
verbal prairie
and that Arthur is evil for killing them
humble coral
if i cant argue they were bad
how are you arguing they were good
how the fuck do you know mate
honest drum
bro you make no sense
humble coral
because what makes them innocent?
verbal prairie
in the story he says to that he feels terribly sorry and suffers for it everyday...
that's the touchy part, redemption is definitely good but in the end you killed and redemption is more about knowing you're a bad person, and doing everything you can to help others
humble coral
which soldier did arthur kill
that was innocent
?
because you get to fight us army twice in game i think
verbal prairie
redemption is never about making yourself a good person
humble coral
once is when you try to save that captain
muted jetty
@verbal prairie guess every soldier needs redemption huh
verbal prairie
?
humble coral
and 2nd time is when you want to save rain fall's kid
muted jetty
they've killed
humble coral
so if they were innocent
hidden moss
you fight the us army more than twice
honest drum
BECAUSE EAGLE FLIES FUCKING TRIED TO KILL SOLDIERS
honest drum
if they were all innocent why did they keep killing natives
who said they did?
verbal prairie
the soldiers in question were either good or bad, we can't say for them individually but we know 100% there were good people there who didn't have to die
humble coral
for fuck sake
honest drum
just because the ;eaders were bad doesn't make them bad
muted jetty
eagle flies had his land and home torn away from him by the US government
honest drum
instantly
honest drum
eagle flies had his land and home torn away from him by the US government
yes i know
muted jetty
they acted on the will of their leaders
humble coral
mate you are responsible for your actions
honest drum
the government as a whole
humble coral
if they are excused for killing natives
honest drum
not those soldiers
muted jetty
soldiers act on the will of their orders
humble coral
because their leaders told them to
then arthur is excused
because dutch told him to
????
muted jetty
if soldiers kill natives because their orders say so, they're still bad people
@humble coral no no, man, you've gotta be a GOVERNMENT of course /s
honest drum
there's a big difference between the army and a bunch of killing, thieving outlaws
humble coral
are you 12 if you belive army is just bunch of saints
honest drum
no...
muted jetty
the whole point of Red dead is that there isn't much difference between the government and outlaws
humble coral
i literally said that if soldiers are excused because they're forced into doing it
muted jetty
what are the soldiers apart of
hidden moss
🍿 
humble coral
then arthur is excused too
because he's forced into it too
what is so hard to understand
you're trying soo hard to make arthur look like a total piece of shit who enjoyed murdering people and robbing them
honest drum
i can't believe this is even a discussion
humble coral
from the start of the game he keeps saying how he doesn't like loan sharking
sinful hound
🍿 <:ArthurSip:693327967455281232>
^^
honest drum
from the start of the game he keeps saying how he doesn't like loan sharking
he still did it
humble coral
and how he's forced into doing it
honest drum
he's not forced too
muted jetty
yeah and us troops didn't like killing civilians in vietnam, they still did it
honest drum
yeah and us troops didn't like killing civilians in vietnam, they still did it
not all of them
yes some did
im not saying that
there are pieces of shit soliders
honest drum
but it's unfair to call them all pieces of shit who deserved death
honest drum
you saw what happens when arthur doesn't follow dutch's orders
loan sharking wasn't dutch's orders
muted jetty
@honest drum do you think arthur deserved death?
honest drum
dutch doesn't even like it
humble coral
how do you know
honest drum
in a way
humble coral
he literally allowed
muted jetty
deserved to swing?
humble coral
strauss
to start loan sharking busniess
it's his decision
he's leader of the gang
honest drum
deserved to swing?
i mean lawfully yes
humble coral
arthur is just enforcer
honest drum
i don't want him too
humble coral
dude you have a giant hate boner on arthur
honest drum
dude you have a giant hate boner on arthur
no
humble coral
like it's pointless to argue
humble coral
no you dont
muted jetty
@honest drum you don't want arthur to die and yet he deserves to die
honest drum
he was a bad dude
humble coral
lmao
humble coral
dont pretend you like him when it's pretty obvious
muted jetty
nuance here
humble coral
you dont
muted jetty
that you can't fucking understand
honest drum
dont pretend you like him when it's pretty obvious
bruh please jusr piss off, you've joined this discussion late and have no idea what my point is
humble coral
you're excusing all the shit that people who were doing even worse things than him because they were ''forced into it''
honest drum
read it from start to finish
honest drum
arthur wasn't forced at all
humble coral
yes he was
muted jetty
yes he was
honest drum
dutch literally says arthur can run away]
humble coral
i already explained it
muted jetty
where's he gonna go?
muted jetty
what's he gonna do?
humble coral
then later on
honest drum
he wasn't forced into anything
muted jetty
and was being sarcastic
humble coral
that dutch literally didnt give a fuck about john
after arthur told him they want to leave
he left him to die after he got shot at train
honest drum
you guys really dont understand me
humble coral
he also left abigail to die
humble coral
after pinkertons got her
honest drum
to finish
muted jetty
i've been here, dumbass
honest drum
how has this turned into a dutch discusison
muted jetty
gameroll, you just can't accept shit
humble coral
i dont want to discuss anymore
honest drum
gameroll, you just can't accept shit
lmao
arthur a good person pfff
he did good
yes
im not denying that
muted jetty
also, given the fact you said you had thousand dollar bounties, i get the feeling you intentionally play him as bad as possible
honest drum
from the start
no i aint
humble coral
but ignore everything we say
humble coral
honest drum
you clearly just don't get me
muted jetty
you literally aren't acknoledging a word he says
honest drum
like at all
honest drum
you literally aren't acknoledging a word he says
mate your just fucking agreeing with everything he says
muted jetty
I PREDATE HIM BEING HERE
honest drum
we proved you wrong at the start
humble coral
might be because im making a good points
which are u trying to disprove by repeating exact same shit
honest drum
might be because im making a good points
you are yes
humble coral
you already said 100 times
honest drum
im not denying what your saying isn't true
muted jetty
how am i repeating what he's saying when i was here first
honest drum
but
muted jetty
making the same points
honest drum
because he was forced to do smth
doesn't make him a good guy
and he rlly wasn't
forced
especially before 1899
hidden moss
my take: the characters are so well written and complex that its not possible to put them at categories so easily as "good" or "bad". thats what makes a "character". both arthur and dutch. thanks for coming to my ted talk.
supple nest
i once kicked a snake while chasing a small animal
muted jetty
@hidden moss this is just what i've been saying lol
like, i've been playing my arthur as good as i can be
supple nest
lol snake got rekt
honest drum
that doesn't make him good
supple nest
why is there snakes in this game
muted jetty
beating up eugenecists, hunting down the lemoyne raiders and killing the klan and shit
honest drum
beating up eugenecists, hunting down the lemoyne raiders and killing the klan an...
again
not canon
honest drum
yes ik
supple nest
what clan
honest drum
so? whats your point
muted jetty
i mean, what's the point of including something in the game if it's not canon?
supple nest
never seen them ingame
muted jetty
answer the fucking question dumbass
honest drum
i mean, what's the point of including something in the game if it's not canon?
bruh
side content
supple nest
cannon is canon
honest drum
player choice
muted jetty
at one point, devs have to decide what choice is the correct one
honest drum
you could choose to help a guy who's been bitten by a snake or shoot him
supple nest
why didnt john do that to the dog
honest drum
at one point, devs have to decide what choice is the correct one
if you can provide a solid source that side content is canon i'll say fe
verbal prairie
wtf this is still going on
honest drum
wtf this is still going on
we're going around in circles lmao
verbal prairie
oh btw Arthur can pick up his lantern and join the kkk rather than killing him player choice
honest drum
we're back at the side missions canon part
honest drum
oh btw Arthur can pick up his lantern and join the kkk rather than killing him p...
exactly
hidden moss
im worried about his sanity
supple nest
next game should have a giant snake boss fight because theres a giant snake easter egg
or online
muted jetty
coming from a game dev, series HAVE to have canon choices if you want to be logically consistent
native dew
Ok
muted jetty
unless you hate continuity
supple nest
im gonna make a game then make a sequel but make everything non canon
also what game did you make im curious
muted jetty
NDA
supple nest
whats that
muted jetty
I can't talk about that
supple nest
whats that
muted jetty
i cannot talk about the games i work on
supple nest
its like releasing a game but delete it because you cant let other players play it
verbal prairie
ahahhah ok
muted jetty
I am not going to do this again
verbal prairie
dont
muted jetty
nobody ever fucking believes that a dev for a company exists
supple nest
what
muted jetty
and uses discord
verbal prairie
nothing you said made sense, majority of the good points came from @humble coral
supple nest
why am i talking here i stopped playing the game long before rdr2 got released for pc
because it was boring
hidden moss
guys, I realized something, rockstar games is slightly dying, gta online is to blame for that, I don't think I need to explain it
supple nest
why is everyone in the pc role starting with ! noone cares if you are in this discord server
honest drum
i cannot talk about the games i work on
mmm sure lmao
honest drum
and uses discord
it's not that, it's just you have no shred of proof
im an astronaut
muted jetty
@honest drum i don't need to give you proof of my employment
honest drum
not saying you do
muted jetty
@honest drum ok cool, hope you have a fun job
spark shard
"Don't take damage" Sounds easy enough, hide behind cover right. Not so easy when you're surrounded everywhere with lots of enemies
supple nest
if you talk about your games you are working on you can increase fans and money if you make the game cost money
muted jetty
i'm not... indie?
supple nest
and amnesia rebirth made people very hyped and it got many players at release idk if its indie or not
muted jetty
i mean
honest drum
isn't indie just a small dev team
supple nest
like among us they made tons of money when popular youtubers played it
muted jetty
yeah and that game's released
supple nest
its indie game btw
keen birchBOT
Me, reading wondering how this chat isn't in general, as it doesn't seem to be about storymode.
muted jetty
i can't talk about a game that's not released when i am a single dev in a massive dev team
oh fuck
supple nest
there should be a arguing channel
or idk
i once kicked a snake while chasing racoon or rabbit
or squirrel
idk
muted jetty
are you ok
supple nest
what
hidden moss
Me, reading wondering how this chat isn't in general, as it doesn't seem to be a...
wait are u a human 
supple nest
probably some staff reading this then entered some command to make it talk
honest drum
thing is general is just a shit show
verbal prairie
general in every big servers seems to suck
honest drum
they do
really general should be called off topic on here
as this server is a rdr server
keen birchBOT
- Beep.
- Still not related to story mode
supple nest
when micah is sus
honest drum
guys guess what
supple nest
what
hidden moss
the AI is gaining conciousness!!
hidden moss
ofc
supple nest
why is his name dutch
hidden moss
as this server is a rdr server
yes in my eyes this is the main channel. general chat and general media is cringe
honest drum
is micah micah
honest drum
yes in my eyes this is the main channel. general chat and general media is cring...
yep
supple nest
discord mods commanding their bot to send a message be like:😎🔧 🤖
sinful hound
Lmao
hidden moss
talking about rocky sabotender theseus and some others but i find some actually fine mods
supple nest
- i have no girlfriend
- this is my life now i dont make friends but i make warns and bot messages
keen birchBOT
Not the wrong command, but we'll say it is to keep your ego up high. 😄
honest drum
thanks :)
supple nest
!messagewithbot i farted
honest drum
out of curiosity what is the command
supple nest
say it
supple nest
!sendbotmessage big chungus
honest drum
we can't use it anyway but i was just wondering
%message
probably
lol
%message insert attempt to be funny
is what they say
lol
keen birchBOT
I don't know, ask Hosea, he knows it
narrow jetty
Man this game takes foreshadowing to a whole new level
During the valentine train robbery, Sean says “I’ve got a lump on me head” and Arthur says “At least you ain’t got a hole in it”
They also forshawdow Kierans death as well
“You’ll die boy, but you’ll lose your balls first”
Lost his eyeballs
verbal prairie
I just accidentally shot at Charlotte lol
she ran away
mission comes back right?
silk current
nnope
narrow jetty
Load an old save lol
verbal prairie
bully 2 when
muted jetty
hey guys how many health cures can you carry by default?
i think my satchels might not be working
honest drum
Like 10
I think
Once you make a satchel you don’t have to equip it to get the effects
muted jetty
i can only carry 5
i know the normal ones double it
the materials satchel seems to work
hidden moss
you can carry different kinds of tonics
floral jasper
Alright so I was wondering
Since the French guy kinda kissed/pretended to kiss Arthur
Will he get TB too? Lmao
frozen zodiac
Is there a limit on how many newspapers I can have
Cause for some reason I cant buy newspapers
prime estuary
which chapter are you in?
misty nebula
Is there a limit on how many newspapers I can have
no limit to how many you can buy. Depends on the chapter though
prime estuary
varmint rifles don't work holy shit
huh?
muted jetty
i'm trying to hunt rabbits
i never kill them in one shot, always damage pelt
even though i'm supposed to use VARMINT RIFLES
spark shard
"Kill all wolves and take no damage"
For the john wolf eaten quest, the damage part, ez, but all wolves? Im confused. I killed all the wolves, yet I don't get this check to gold the mission. Anger
prime estuary
i'm trying to hunt rabbits
aim for the head
muted jetty
aim for the head
you have no clue how hard it is to aim for the head when i still don't have manual selection yet
honest drum
i never kill them in one shot, always damage pelt
That shouldn’t be happening
Strange
muted jetty
i still have paint-style deadeye
prime estuary
good luck with that one
frozen zodiac
which chapter are you in?
Chapter 3
frozen zodiac
no limit to how many you can buy. Depends on the chapter though
Chapter 3
I bought some newspapers but when I tried to buy I dont have the choice
prime estuary
did you do the missions?
frozen zodiac
I did some
prime estuary
you have to do all
frozen zodiac
Ok
My brother also had the problem of not being able to buy newspapers
And he finished the game
prime estuary
idk about that one
frozen zodiac
Probably a bug
spare swallow
merry crypt
Y’all ever have the problem of after finishing the game and never being able to milk the cows anymore neither sell the produce it just disappeared after awhile
spark shard
How the fuck can I complete "Exit pursued by a bruised ego" in 12 minutes
I skip all cutscenes and rush every part of gameplay I can but it still takes too long
compact wing
How the fuck can I complete "Exit pursued by a bruised ego" in 12 minutes
what
run faster
honest drum
How the fuck can I complete "Exit pursued by a bruised ego" in 12 minutes
What mission is that again
Wait Ik
Bear hunting
Hosea
Ye that’s tough
worldly turret
skip cutscenes
spark shard
skip cutscenes
The epitome of not listening to anything I say right here
honest drum
Lmao
Probably like do shortcuts when riding
Like directly go straight to the stables
Etc
worldly turret
sorry what? wasn't listening
an easy way is to not use eagle eye, just track without it if you know where the clues are, saves time
warm yoke
I wish Sadie didn’t kill Cleet in American venom
Man sounded so genuine when he said he’s one of the goodguys
proud epoch
Lmao imagine being named cleet
hidden moss
Man sounded so genuine when he said he’s one of the goodguys
He was still lying to defend micah until they threatened to kill him
spark shard
an easy way is to not use eagle eye, just track without it if you know where the...
You have to use eagle eye so it lets you inspect the stuff because in that mission it just doesnt let you
hidden moss
I didn't want to say that because I know that VARIOUS of you are going to hate me for it but ... aren't we supposed to be the villains in red dead? because like, we kill innocents, steal people, destroy cities. and even if you avoid killing innocents as much as possible, at some point you are forced to kill, after all in the blackwater massacre we are somehow guilty of the people who died, an example: The pinkertons, not all of them were bad, many just wanted to win money, while others were bad and others thought they were doing the world good by killing criminals. we destroy the families of innocents, and even though history makes us look good, look at ourselves, what are we? a gang in which members sometimes kill each other.
tawdry idol
They make fun of me
spark shard
I didn't want to say that because I know that VARIOUS of you are going to hate m...
The gang was basically like, killing and robbing people who weren't exactly innocent themselves, helped innocent people, stuff like that, but then they fell from grace and turned into killers.
Don't say the pinkertons and cornwall are innocent either lol.
The law are just doing their job though, except the grays they're corrupt.
As for other gangs, well, no argument here, like the odriscolls deserve their fates.
Plus the story is put in the eyes of the gang so they view the "disagreeable men" as evil in their story.
hidden moss
The gang was basically like, killing and robbing people who weren't exactly inno...
what i said about the pinkertons is that some people should go there not because they are exclusively bad, just because they want to earn "easy money", and others because they think they are doing it right, that's all
and of course some were psychopaths and wanted to kill people
hidden moss
The gang was basically like, killing and robbing people who weren't exactly inno...
what do you mean "disagreeable men"?
spark shard
Generally anyone who wants to hunt the van der linde gang
Like the pinkertons
Or the odriscolls
hidden moss
Or the odriscolls
I understand, but did you understand what I said about the pinkertons? I know the history of the group, and even though it doesn’t make any sense at all in rdr 2, since the old west full of criminals didn’t even exist in real life. many got together for money, and did the usual bad things
spark shard
Yeah
native cradle
is it just me or should rockstar have developed javier into turning on arthur? honestly i thought he was pretty cool and was hit blind sided when javier chose to side with micah in the end
inner raptor
I didn't want to say that because I know that VARIOUS of you are going to hate m...
They are nowhere near good people.
Though, in some peoples eyes, they're heroes.
Some, the exact opposite.
hidden moss
thanks for answers
delicate sparrow
np
hidden moss
How the fuck can I complete "Exit pursued by a bruised ego" in 12 minutes
cutscenes dont count in the time limit. I played that mission without skipping any cutscene and still got gold medal
spark shard
I got it already
I tried 3 times, each time I rushed the fuck out of everthing you could do, literally. All shortcuts, no mistakes. It is very very narrow to get that gold. I shouldn't have to take away from the enjoyment and beauty of the game for the challenge tho
hidden moss
time limit requirement sucks. i hate it
i want to get the gold rush achievement but im afraid its gonna cause me to hate the game
spark shard
Time limit on killing enemies I get. By anything else you can go fuck yourself
hidden moss
the fact that gold rush achievement has a lower percentage than It's art achievement speaks volumes. gold medals are bull**** to get.
spark shard
It's art is easier though
You just hunt a few animals
That particularly don't spawn 😏
hidden moss
the fact that gold rush achievement has a lower percentage than It's art achieve...
I love the game, but time limits rly should be removed from gold medals. It gives me practically no time to enjoy the ride, or take things slow
Everything has to be rushed😄
spark shard
I really hope I don't get the "don't take damage" requirement on a mission like the saint denis bank job, fleeting joy, that skinner brother mission, etc.
Cuz you know thats sum bullshit
hidden moss
I can’t remember, but that would prob not happen
They still have some logic at r*😄
Saint denis bank is impossible to not get hit
It’s prob just “don’t take health items”
honest drum
is it just me or should rockstar have developed javier into turning on arthur? h...
he didn't turn on arthur
he has his gun up in the air
and him and bill ditch dutch as soon as they had the chance
in the little scene where dutch, micah, cleet and joe can be seen riding shooting at arthur and john javier and bill aren't there
javier still considered them his brothers
hidden moss
Hey
Guys
So when i fistfight with somebody
I just can't block
it don't allow me
....
spark shard
A good alternative to fist fighting is vehicular manslaughter
verbal prairie
you gotta hold the button not press if that helps
hidden moss
you gotta hold the button not press if that helps
Oh thank you
quasi sky
I got 100% 2 time
indigo topaz
Woah
Man every time l play a game l just star to mis rdr2
Cause damn this game is just perfect
Like in a way we dont deserve it
drifting star
I only played it once
verbal prairie
I never even finished GTA lol
it compares right?
from what I've played it does compare to me if we consider when it was made
hidden moss
Guys
verbal prairie
I don't know man
hidden moss
Imagine if Rockstar add mechanic to hang....peoples.....
verbal prairie
GTA really seems to compare, I mean it's clear most of rdr2 is better
honest drum
Imagine if Rockstar add mechanic to hang....peoples.....
there's a mod for this
honest drum
GTA really seems to compare, I mean it's clear most of rdr2 is better
the story of gta 5 is for a child
it's unrealistic
verbal prairie
woah
honest drum
and
verbal prairie
lol
honest drum
very fast paced
i mean some people could prefer it
just for me
it feels like a childrens game
verbal prairie
well it's not really a story of change that's not the idea of it
honest drum
it's fun to play