red-dead-singleplayer

[mortal tusk]

Eh kinda

[midnight ocean]

lmao what

[calm oasis]

yeah

[tall pewter]

I already know

[mortal tusk]

Oh

[midnight ocean]

do people try to bypass the auto mod with that or something

[mortal tusk]

Well I was gonna ask if ysll prefer to play as jhon or arthur

[mortal tusk]

Idk???

[tall pewter]

I feel like everyone knows atp

[calm oasis]

probably

[midnight ocean]

healthy arthur

[mortal tusk]

Yeah it's one of those things that just unavoidable

[calm oasis]

Arthur, he can swim

[mortal tusk]

Is that the only gameplay difference

[tall pewter]

It really is 😭😭

[mortal tusk]

Damn rlly?

[midnight ocean]

i didnt mind john until someone pointed out the character model is just johns head on arthurs body

[mortal tusk]

Am I the only one that prefers jhon

[calm oasis]

Pretty much

[mortal tusk]

You didnt notice?

[tall pewter]

John can’t swim?

[mortal tusk]

No XD

[midnight ocean]

not back in 2018 lol

[calm oasis]

Nope, nod to the og game where they didnt implement swimming

[tall pewter]

What about 2

[mortal tusk]

They could've, but Rockstar wanted it to be perfect so they didn't add it

[calm oasis]

When you try to eneter a body of water depper than waist deep, John starts drowning

[calm oasis]

Yeah

[midnight ocean]

like many video game protags of yore

[calm oasis]

And John cant swim as an homage to the original because you dont just forget how to swim in a span of 4 years

[tall pewter]

U can swim in gta 4 that was made 2008 😭

[mortal tusk]

Again, Rockstar wanted it to be perfect

[calm oasis]

Rockstar dum

[mortal tusk]

And it looked wonky

[calm oasis]

tbh Niko looked like he was drowning

[midnight ocean]

the ability to swim in rdr2 isnt really helpful anyway

like where are you swimming to

[calm oasis]

Tahiti

[tall pewter]

True

[calm oasis]

👍

[tall pewter]

U don’t go to water much

[midnight ocean]

even if you want to traverse some water your horse can swim

[mortal tusk]

Guarma

[calm oasis]

I remember 3 missions

[midnight ocean]

better than you can

[calm oasis]

Where you swim

[midnight ocean]

is one of them the riverboat

because you dont actually swim

[calm oasis]

1st is when you get to Guarma, but thats a cutscene
2nd when you rob the riverboat
3rd when you steal the horses in chapter 6

[midnight ocean]

riverboat also a cutscene

[mortal tusk]

I don't remember the 3rd one

[midnight ocean]

it cuts when you dive in the water

[calm oasis]

Oh yeah my bad

[midnight ocean]

i will now complete gambler 10

[mortal tusk]

How often do yall gamble in the game

[calm oasis]

Good luck and strong nerves

[mortal tusk]

Can you cheat in rdr2?

[calm oasis]

Never, I aint never touching gambling with a 10 foot pole

[midnight ocean]

nah should basically be effortless

[calm oasis]

I only did it for the challenges

[mortal tusk]

Heh get good. I have a lile 8:2 win ratio

[calm oasis]

That fuckass domino challenge took me multiple days to complete

Hell nah never again in my life

Maybe maximally black jack

[mortal tusk]

Oh god how bad was ot

[midnight ocean]

five finger fillet always

[calm oasis]

3 wins IN A ROW

[mortal tusk]

I don't remember if it was in rdr1 or 2 but if you throw a dynamite under the table as jhon, it doesn't alert the people and no honor is taken

[calm oasis]

My thumbs were sore as hell from that, but FFF is much easier on controller

[midnight ocean]

i miss the cheating suit from rdr1

[mortal tusk]

I can't fo it quickly

[tall pewter]

WTF

[mortal tusk]

Aww man u can't cheat in rdr2?

[midnight ocean]

no

[calm oasis]

Nope

[tall pewter]

I came across this weird old man

[mortal tusk]

Sad

[mortal tusk]

Which of the many

[calm oasis]

Eh? Which one?

[tall pewter]

I lost my money

[mortal tusk]

You think it was the pig farmers?

[mortal tusk]

Uh be more specific

[tall pewter]

What did he just do to me!??

[calm oasis]

He isnt old, hes fat but not old

[mortal tusk]

Wait is it the uh

[calm oasis]

Was he in a swamp?

[tall pewter]

No he old weird looking

[mortal tusk]

The one that touches arthur

[tall pewter]

YES

[calm oasis]

Yep..

[midnight ocean]

gambler 10 complete

[mortal tusk]

Oh no

[tall pewter]

wtf did he just do

[calm oasis]

You just got touched

[mortal tusk]

Yeah

[tall pewter]

Oh naw

[mortal tusk]

Lol

[tall pewter]

I’m finna kill him

[midnight ocean]

[mortal tusk]

Go back and kill gim

Him

[calm oasis]

Hair pomade plus his schlong plus your private place

[midnight ocean]

i reloaded the save and shot him in the head as he opened the door

[mortal tusk]

This sounds like the "I'm up in the club" meme

[midnight ocean]

then took his belongings and left

[mortal tusk]

LMAO

[tall pewter]

I didn’t meet the weird siblings

Yet

[mortal tusk]

It's funny to me that you can't lasso or pick up the man

[midnight ocean]

yeah gambler ten is easy lol just replay the riverboat mission and then replay the reverend mission from chapter 2 and you're done

just dont fold

[calm oasis]

He too fat

[mortal tusk]

A bison isnt??

[calm oasis]

yeah, the 2nd and 3rd hands in the riverboat mission is a scripted win, so is the first hand in reverand mission

[midnight ocean]

i know lol

[mortal tusk]

They...are scripted???

[tall pewter]

Bruh I got ambushed by this guy in collecting his bounty

[calm oasis]

Uhhmm.. uhhh... you dare to question rockstars logic? LMAOO

[mortal tusk]

my life is a lie

How could this be

[mortal tusk]

Oh yes sorry

[calm oasis]

Yeah, you win 100% of the time

[mortal tusk]

[tall pewter]

Linsey wolffer

Wofford

[calm oasis]

Lindsey Waffler

[mortal tusk]

So like what's yall opinion on javier...

[midnight ocean]

hes just playing with his knife

[tall pewter]

Is that a mini gun ? Or something

[mortal tusk]

Love that scene

[calm oasis]

Cool revolver

[calm oasis]

No Lindsey Wofford is a bounty in Saint Denis

[midnight ocean]

i love how psychotic he sounds lol

[calm oasis]

You get 100 dollars for him I believe

[tall pewter]

Ik

[midnight ocean]

im just PLAYING with my KNIFE

[tall pewter]

Should I kill him

[mortal tusk]

Well Bill did say a slur to him

[calm oasis]

s h o o t

[midnight ocean]

naw bring them in warm

[mortal tusk]

See if you said that in any other context

[calm oasis]

lmao

[mortal tusk]

I felt bad for that one bounty where you take away a man from his wife and kid

I genuinely didn't wanna finish the bounty

[calm oasis]

Yeah..

[tall pewter]

That’s the one I did

[calm oasis]

But like.. money

[tall pewter]

Couple months ago

[mortal tusk]

But but I felt bad

[calm oasis]

Understandable

[tall pewter]

I keep dying to him

wtf

[mortal tusk]

Get gud

[tall pewter]

Ykw

I’m not gonna spare him

[mortal tusk]

There's some characters that one shot you idk if he's one of them lol

[calm oasis]

Why are there no crows in the game, Im confused

[mortal tusk]

There not?

[midnight ocean]

he always does this lol

[calm oasis]

There are but Ive spent like 30 minutes looking for one

Im going insane

[mortal tusk]

Alright guys gtg imma call with my gf. Have a nice day or night ^^

[calm oasis]

This game hates me

[midnight ocean]

gn

[tall pewter]

WTF

How they shooting me threw the wall

[calm oasis]

There are just ravens, not a single crow

[midnight ocean]

you could try killing something and waiting for them to land on the corpse

[tall pewter]

That fucking gun man

It one shots me

[calm oasis]

Im stupid, thank you so much youve saved me so much time right now

[tall pewter]

I got smacked in the head

Why can’t I do my old deadeye

[midnight ocean]

are you out of meter?

[tall pewter]

No

They changed it

[calm oasis]

Please gods of RNG gift me this once and send a crow down from the skies above to eat my deer

[midnight ocean]

you have the better version now

just get used to it

aim roughly at a guy, enter deadeye, headshot, repeat

[calm oasis]

You have to be kidding me, compendium 561 of 563

2 things, for crying out loud

[midnight ocean]

guarma stuff?

[calm oasis]

No, legendary catfish and Micahs revolver

[tall pewter]

When yall kill everyone do yall steal everything too

[calm oasis]

Y e s

[midnight ocean]

might as well

[calm oasis]

They dont need it anymore so like you know.. what good is 3 bucks to a dead guy?

[midnight ocean]

you will lose honor for looting the bodies of the innocent tho

[calm oasis]

A small price worth paying

[midnight ocean]

not for like 50 cents lmao

[calm oasis]

How can it be this hard to find one singular crow

[midnight ocean]

idk i just happened to see one while i was riding around lemoyne

[calm oasis]

I always see plenty of them at Limpany but now? not a single one

[midnight ocean]

ok i found a use for swimming

at the end of the charles chatenay questline i had to jump in the water to get away from the cops

[calm oasis]

That is brilliant

[midnight ocean]

nearly drowned though lol

should have popped a tonic first

[idle geyser]

I did it, 100% completion

[calm oasis]

Holy shit congrats man

[midnight ocean]

congrats!

im slowly getting there

[calm oasis]

Im at 91.2%, and Im slowly losing my mind

[tall pewter]

Will my horse die

[calm oasis]

If you take it down a cliff, yes

[tall pewter]

I don’t wanna lose this horse

After I beat the game

I do notice that Arthur notice things about Dutch

[calm oasis]

How am I doing this..

I got stuck between the train platfrom and a train in Valentine

[idle geyser]

Exotics are the definition of hell

[calm oasis]

I did them as Arthur so I wont have to suffer no more

[tall pewter]

Yo WTH I found a corpse hanging

A fucking serial killer

[calm oasis]

The revolver looks good though

Shame its a double action, I dont like that revolver at all

Just almost killed Rachel

[tall pewter]

Man catching this horse is hard

Anyone got tips

[calm oasis]

What horse?

[tall pewter]

White horse

[calm oasis]

Really easy way to catch any horse is to ride alongside it, lasso it, mount it and follow the prompt

562/563 on the compendium, sweet jesus

[weary harness]

i havent studied ardennes yet for some reason 😔

[tall pewter]

Damn the horse is fast asl

[severe gyro]

what is the last thing u need?

[calm oasis]

Micahs revolver

[severe gyro]

ez item at least

[calm oasis]

Yeah, but I have to finish the game, which will take a bit

[calm oasis]

Maybe when youre dead someone will stuff you.. what a terrible thought..

[tall pewter]

How I make Arthur gain waright

Weight

[calm oasis]

Best way is to binge eat big game meat and then sleep for as long as possible

Then when you wake up, repeat the whole thing

[tall pewter]

I want him to be perfect weight

[calm oasis]

Yeah it will raise his weight a little

After you wake up, check the weight

[idle geyser]

Yeah.

[toxic pier]

wow

sadly I missed the guarma snakes

they won't spawn

[calm oasis]

You can get to guarma again

There is a pass out glitch

Be sure to get a shitload of booze

I got bitten by those damn snakes numerous times while trying to find them all

[tall pewter]

Fuck

[calm oasis]

?

[tall pewter]

Nvm

I was being random

i got perfect weight

[calm oasis]

I got hit by a tram in Saint Denis

[opal mica]

When should I upgrade my ammo capacity, I’m currently in close to the end of chapter 2

[calm oasis]

As soon as possible

More ammo is always good

[tall pewter]

This feel like a filler

Right now

[calm oasis]

What does?

[tall pewter]

Beu missions

Beau

[calm oasis]

Yep, they are.. dumb

But you do get the braithwaite “treasure” at the end

Even though its only worth around 75 bucks..

[tall pewter]

That’s still a lot

For the time period

And for this game

[calm oasis]

True

75 dollars back in 1899 was like a couple grand

2 904 dollars

[tall pewter]

How much that be in 2025

[calm oasis]

75 dollars back then was 2 904 dollars in todays money

So quite a lot

[tall pewter]

Yeah

Should I spend time w the people on camp

[calm oasis]

Yeah, definitely

[tall pewter]

Like robbing the bank w Sean

[calm oasis]

Yeah

[tall pewter]

And go fishing with Javier

[calm oasis]

You get more money

And progress

[tall pewter]

Alr fine

Wym progress

[calm oasis]

Because those activities count towards 100%

I think you have to complete 1 activity in each camp at least to get 100% completion

[tall pewter]

Does it affect anything with the characters

[calm oasis]

Nope

[tall pewter]

Oh

[calm oasis]

Just gives you stuff to do

[tall pewter]

I’ll do with in my second run

[calm oasis]

Potentionally earn money

For example robberies with the gang

Poker

Five finger fillet

But dominoes are free

[tall pewter]

I’ll do Dutch mission last

[calm oasis]

And the easiest domino location is at camp

So if you want to do gambler challenges, its best to do it at camp

At least to me going against Tilly seemed easier than any other dominoes location

Plus sometimes during these activities gang memebers will request items

That do count towards 100%

For example Tilly and her necklace

[tall pewter]

Bill

Charles probably the most reasonable

[calm oasis]

Bill and pomade.. for.. questionable purposes..

[tall pewter]

Isn’t bill gay

[calm oasis]

Yep

He got fired from the army for deviancy

so, yeah..

[tall pewter]

I wonder what happened to Charles

He just disappeared in rdr1

[calm oasis]

Uhm

He went to canada

[tall pewter]

That’s true

[calm oasis]

I believe

[tall pewter]

Bro lived a peaceful

Life

What about Sadie

[calm oasis]

She is a gun for hire, protecting people etc.

[tall pewter]

She’s none where to be found in rdr1

Jack got it the worse

[calm oasis]

She went somewhere.. away, I dont think it was stated where

[calm oasis]

Yeah..

[tall pewter]

WW1

And Great Depression

And WW2

that’s a lot

Jack would be old around Cold War

[calm oasis]

Plus the trauma from childhood

[tall pewter]

Or WW2

[calm oasis]

Poor Jack

I would love to play red dead 1 again but Im definitely not buying it again

And my xbox died

So I cant play it now at all

[tall pewter]

We ain’t gonna ever know jack fate

I like that Easter Egg on gta 5

[calm oasis]

Eh? What easter egg?

[tall pewter]

It’s a book called J marston in gta 5

[calm oasis]

Ohhhh yeah I remember now

The blue book

I think its cannon

[tall pewter]

I wonder why John never mention Arthur in rdr1

[calm oasis]

They didnt know Arthur would be a thing

The pause between the games was like 7 years or so

[tall pewter]

True

Rdr1 was the end of the Wild West era

[calm oasis]

And I dont think they would want to remake the game just to add some refferences

So was rdr2 though, the beginning of the end

[tall pewter]

Rdr1 remake would be lit

With rdr2 graphics and mechanics

[calm oasis]

True

Not just a port for 60 bucks..

[tall pewter]

Fr

Rockstar hates remakes

Man

Javier fate was sealed in rdr1

The government was gonna kill him regardless

If u spared him or not

[calm oasis]

I mean, he was a notorious outlaw responsible for numerous deaths and robberies

So was John

[tall pewter]

True

[calm oasis]

I understand why they killed them all

[tall pewter]

I wouldn’t mind them making another prequel

Of rdr

Making Dutch the main character or something

Him building the gang

[calm oasis]

Or at the very least a dlc for 2 to finally explain the Blackwater mess

[tall pewter]

Nah they not finna do that

I wanna see the prime era of the Wild West

[calm oasis]

Although, it could be argued that the lack of information and the ambiguity around the Blackwater heist is the whole point

To leave it up for interpretation

[tall pewter]

The rise of the van der linde gang

Or a completely new main character like Arthur

Idk

[eternal pendant]

Tahiti

[calm oasis]

Yaaay uncle

[tall pewter]

Idk Tahitians

I remember people thought uncle was red Harlow

That theory been debunked so many times

Ppl still think he’s red Harlow

[calm oasis]

I mean, when I was playing the first time for some unknown reason I though uncle was somehow related to Abigail

[north herald]

same tbf

[calm oasis]

Like he was her dad or something

[tall pewter]

Me too

[calm oasis]

I dont know why, I just felt it was that way

[tall pewter]

Or her uncle

Or brother

[calm oasis]

yeah

[north herald]

i thought he was actually her uncle

[calm oasis]

Turns out he is just a funny old man

[tall pewter]

We don’t know nothing about uncle past

[calm oasis]

We know he old as hell

[tall pewter]

And a joke

[calm oasis]

LMAO

[tall pewter]

He’s definitely not red Harlow

[calm oasis]

No, definitely not, they dont even look similar

[tall pewter]

Nor it would make sense

Because uncle would be a lot younger

[calm oasis]

93.5%, thank god Im getting closer

[tall pewter]

Damn

Red dead revolver story is like a folklore in red dead verse

[calm oasis]

Yeah, a legend of sort. Young kid who has seen his parents getting killed and thus devoted his life to catching outlaws

Pretty much like batman

[tall pewter]

Fr

Wild West fairytale

[soft root]

that's just a theory, a red dead theory

we honestly have no idea

perhaps red harlow actually lived up to the legend

[pale cairn]

been wondering for a while now, anyone know why the leaves and trees look so absolutely horrendous?

i mean for a game with graphics like these in a world where trees are everywhere youd think they wouldnt look like someone either drew them in ms paint or have the quality of a ps3 game

[soft root]

um....check the graphics quality first

[pale cairn]

wdym? all my settings are on ultra and whatnot

[soft root]

?

wait a min, Imma go check the leaves with my pc

[pale cairn]

mine render slow and look strange shoot i mean even getting close they still look like paper and polygons

its been bugging me for awhile now never bothered to ask but its starting to get annoying when half the forest is beautiful and the other half looks like the games budget is 5 dollars

[soft root]

.....that's probably a pc issue, your computer doesn't have the necessary components to render the leaves well

[pale cairn]

what would you need to render it?

[soft root]

idk, but you could use some benchmark testers on steam to see if your pc can handle it

[pale cairn]

im certain my pc can handle i mean my pc is high end as is and i can render everything else perfectly

im playing on max graphics 60 fps so

the entire game looks gorgeous and then theres just.. trees that look like soup

ill throw a image in #red-dead-media

[pale cairn]

ive been playing for awhile now too spent plenty of time im on chapter 4 as of now but ive done tons of side stuff so i know for a fact its not just a "i can handle a certain area better than others"

saw your photo strange that mine dont look like that

any clue what it might be?

[soft root]

idk, hm....what's your video memory

[pale cairn]

8187 max game my total usage is only 5800 though

havent upscaled texture resolution and im running msaa and reflection msaa at 2x so maybe thats the issue? doubt it though cause what do leaves have to do with reflections

[soft root]

how high is your tessellation

[pale cairn]

tree quality is on high and tree tessellation is on

tesselation quality is ultra

[soft root]

hm.....weird

[pale cairn]

whatre you trying to link?

[soft root]

your photo, where did you find it

[pale cairn]

im around saint denis right now

[compact robin]

I wish I can play that high settings

Unfortunately my rx 580 could only manage medium

[soft root]

give me that marker, I'll go take a look

[compact robin]

Anyways how many random encounters does rdr 2 truly have

[calm oasis]

A lot

[compact robin]

Other sources on the web claim it's 300???

[calm oasis]

Could be

There is a video going through every one allegedly and its 6 and a half hours long

[compact robin]

So like do some random encounters repeat

[calm oasis]

No, I dont think so

[compact robin]

Sorry for my ignorance I'm just a new player

I started playing abt 2 weeks ago

[calm oasis]

Rockstar went batshit crazy with this game

[calm oasis]

All good

[compact robin]

True true

[calm oasis]

Oh, hope you enjoy the game

[compact robin]

Other games like gta 5 and witcher 3 felt empty now

[calm oasis]

Yeah

[compact robin]

Rdr 2 is the most packed game I have seen

There could never be a game like this ever again

[calm oasis]

There is somehow always something to do

[compact robin]

The only annoying part is the law system bruh

[calm oasis]

Eh, I kinda like it tbh

Better than gta where they just somehow pull out of their asses that you killed a guy at the top of a mountain and suddenly you have 3 cars climbing the mountain and 2 star wanted level

[compact robin]

Like you don't see lawmen and bounty hunters that much when roaming around the map specially when you do a peaceful free roam but for some reason when you are wanted and the crime is reported and they are searching they came in huge swarms like bruh

This is my annoying part when roaming saint Dennis

[calm oasis]

Depending on the severity of your crimes, when you rob someone, I usually see a couple of lawmen but when I butcher an entire family, there is a whole posse

[compact robin]

One little petty crime which you unintentionally do and then all of the sudden all cops on saint Dennis are after you

[calm oasis]

I mean.. if you go to the city center and punch a guy in the face, the cops will have you in handcuffs withing seconds

[compact robin]

That's the problem. The game perfectyly captures realism on other aspects but not the law enforcement of that era

[calm oasis]

True

But like

[compact robin]

Remember were talking abt 1899, 1907 here where communication was pretty rough

[calm oasis]

The game would be too easy lets be real

[compact robin]

Makes sense I suppose

[calm oasis]

They gotta ballance it a little

You could just go to some dead end house at the outskirts of the state, murder a whole family and the witness would have to travel for miles to get to a cop, the way they have it now that if the witness leaves certain area around you the law gets alerted is probably better for gameplay than have the witness track for miles to the nearest town and report it, would give you too much time to get away and the game would be a little stale

But it wouldnt be all too bad if they did make it a little more realistic

But overall, I think the way it is is greatly compromising realism and enjoyability

[compact robin]

I think a solution to this is if they made more Lawmen roaming on the trails it would make sense as to why they can respond too quickly

[obtuse trellis]

i hate how you get a wanted level for something you dont even do

like if the lemoyne raiders or o driscoles kill someone the witnesses think it was you

[soft root]

it does suck, they really should give some updates on the whole wanted system

[soft root]

that's....kinda accurate to how framing people works

[compact robin]

Thats honestly pretty realistic tbh

[obtuse trellis]

not really because how come nobody else is ever framed

like an npc

[compact robin]

Specially if you as the witness don't know the context as to why a single man is somehow gunning down a entire gang

[soft root]

you see a man with guns near a dead body, you definitely gonna assume the man with guns near a dead body killed the body that was not dead before

[soft root]

perhaps it happened, but you just never saw it

though the wanted system does need an update

hey, not every game is perfect

[obtuse trellis]

they need to fix alot of things tho

[compact robin]

Like what thers

[obtuse trellis]

theres alot of glitched voice lines

[compact robin]

Oh ye the camp interactions

[obtuse trellis]

like in the mission that you rescue trewlany charles voice line overlaps itself

[soft root]

huh....never seen that before

[compact robin]

I noticed that too

[obtuse trellis]

also dont even get me started on the angelo bronte party glitch

most annoying thing in the game

[compact robin]

And Dutch on chapter 2 somehow having voiceless from beaver hallow lmao

[calm oasis]

What?

[compact robin]

I think it's a glitch

[obtuse trellis]

do you guys get this glitch or no?

[soft root]

......weird, never had that issue before

[obtuse trellis]

because i do every play through

and theres always a different solution every time

[compact robin]

That I never witnessed tbh

Also is it true that every NPC has a routine?

I noticed it too

[obtuse trellis]

its when your at angelo brontes party and you walk down the stairs with dutch and then your game just instantly crashes

[calm oasis]

What is the glitch?

[calm oasis]

Yep

[obtuse trellis]

@calm oasis

[soft root]

yeah, done only two playthroughs, never had this happen though

[calm oasis]

Nope, never happened to me

[compact robin]

Holy shit fr?

[calm oasis]

Pretty much

[obtuse trellis]

maybe its because i mod my game then

because it happens to me every time

[compact robin]

I thought it was only applicable to some npcs

[calm oasis]

I mean some filler npcs just.. walk

[obtuse trellis]

yes

[soft root]

also, god dang does the game feel slow after you play the doom games

[calm oasis]

But most sleep, sit, eat, fish, talk etc.

[obtuse trellis]

the game is lowk short ngl

50 hours is nothing

[calm oasis]

I used to stalk random npcs in game for in game days

[compact robin]

Now I feel bad robbing and killing the ranchers while playing as John lmao

[compact robin]

One of the longest

[soft root]

.....do you want it to be so bloated with content its bigger than a rotting whale carcass?

[calm oasis]

Definitely not a weird thing to do..

[obtuse trellis]

nah but a new austin chapter wouldve been nice

[calm oasis]

y e s

lmao

[obtuse trellis]

maybe thats where they get dropped off after guarma

new austin

[soft root]

.....epilogue?

[obtuse trellis]

and it could be a whole chapter

[compact robin]

Guarma was a legitimately wasted potential

[obtuse trellis]

theres only one mission

[calm oasis]

It had to be cut down significantly due to deadlines

[obtuse trellis]

besides black water towns like tumbleweed and armadillo arent used atall

[soft root]

yeah, true

[obtuse trellis]

and also its just such a vast open area

such a waste

[calm oasis]

True

[soft root]

well, the devs did lop off some game content bc of the deadlines

[compact robin]

Armadillo is a miracle itself

[soft root]

if given as much development time as gta 6, it would be a masterpiece

[compact robin]

It's the most spaghetti western place in game

[calm oasis]

Although there are a couple of POI in New Austin

[obtuse trellis]

those towns are only used in online

[obtuse trellis]

tumbleweed is better definitely

its literally THE wild west

[compact robin]

Gta 6 better outshine rdr 2

[obtuse trellis]

it cant

its a love story

[calm oasis]

For example the flying machine, the dead missionaries, whale skeleton.

[compact robin]

By the events of rdr 1its already a dead town

[calm oasis]

Oh it will

[obtuse trellis]

but in rdr2 its amazing

[compact robin]

Whereas armadillo for some reason survives the cholera outbreak

[obtuse trellis]

and the sheriff is the most dangerous npc in the game i think

[compact robin]

One shot freeman lol

Even using a dead eye won't do

[calm oasis]

Along with the hermit fellow

[soft root]

if it won't, the whole internet is going to storm into rockstar's ceo's office

[obtuse trellis]

the legendary gunslingers also were a waste

[calm oasis]

And burn it to the ground

[soft root]

oh come on, black belle wasn't that much of a waste

[obtuse trellis]

falco hernandaz is so cool but is apart of a side mission

[calm oasis]

It was cut down as well, Frank Heck was supposed to be a part of the mission

[soft root]

and jim boy calloway actually has like the fastest drawing speed in the game iirc

[compact robin]

I'm not giving much expectation on gta 6 tbh

[obtuse trellis]

shes the only one that people even do because shes not out of the way

[obtuse trellis]

i dont even know if ill get around to playing it when it comes out

might wait a while

but i would like to not be spoiled for it like i was in rdr2

[compact robin]

It'll be good for sure but I'm not sure how polish the game really is specially if their release window is next year

Early next year

[soft root]

they've been developing it for almost a decade

[calm oasis]

Just cut off the internet when gta 6 comes out

[obtuse trellis]

even though there wasnt much to spoil arthur was obviously gonna die

[compact robin]

Not quite

[obtuse trellis]

everyone who wasnt in rdr1 who was a prominent character so arthur hosea lenny was obviously gonna die

[compact robin]

According to trusty leaks full on development on gta 6 truly began on 2021 after the pandemic

[soft root]

oh

[compact robin]

It did started off earlier but it wasn't much focused

[obtuse trellis]

maybe thats when they started making the game itself because they motion capture everything

[compact robin]

Theyw ere working on the classic gta remasters afterall

[soft root]

well.....it's been hyped for so long

[obtuse trellis]

im not even hyped anymore

[soft root]

yeah

[obtuse trellis]

it will be an awesome game im sure but the story isnt gonna be that good imo

[compact robin]

Also remember rdr 2 is only 7 years old they couldn't have developed both gta6 early phase and rdr 2 final phase at the same time

[obtuse trellis]

i wonder what they are gonna do after gta6 since its supposed to be their last game

like last gta game

not last game in general

[soft root]

oh

[obtuse trellis]

i honestly dont think rdr3 is gonna be a thing

[soft root]

....I hope so

[obtuse trellis]

maybe a rdr1 remake but thats really it

[soft root]

the red dead universe has a ton of potential

[obtuse trellis]

but what would it realistically be about

they cant do anything else with the van der linde gang

[soft root]

what happened to red harlow, how strong was landon ricketts in his prime, the starting years of the van der linde gang

what happened to jack

[obtuse trellis]

yeah but we already know about the starting years of the gang

[obtuse trellis]

he died

[soft root]

how much though

[soft root]

well ofc he died, he ain't a vampire

[obtuse trellis]

we know nobody would die we know that black water would go wrong we know too much for it to be a good story

[obtuse trellis]

yes but how is he even gonna get redemption

hes already good

[soft root]

he's broken and bitter

a father figure arc honestly wouldn't hurt for him

learning to get past his father's death

[obtuse trellis]

the ONLY thing we dont know about the van der linde gang is who the person is that dutch killed in camp

[soft root]

still, those are only tales you hear from the members, it would be more fun if you actually experience it

[calm oasis]

WHAT

You have got to be kidding me

This is rigged

[obtuse trellis]

what wouldve honestly been cool is a blackwater stealth mission

[soft root]

what is

[calm oasis]

Blackjack in blackwater

[soft root]

oh

shoot the dealer

[calm oasis]

Lost 5 times in a row

[obtuse trellis]

like maybe the gang sneaks into black water during like chapter 6

[calm oasis]

I lose one more time

I will reanact the blackwater massacre

[soft root]

bomb the saloon

[obtuse trellis]

because it makes zero sense that micah and dutch retrieved the money by themselves

theres alot of plot holes in the game

[calm oasis]

20, if I lose..

Arson it is

[obtuse trellis]

like the fact that the pinkertons had a deal with a literal serial killer

[calm oasis]

BURN

[soft root]

micah always wanted to get the money in blackwater, arthur's always against it, so is hosea, but dutch, who has only micah by his side, is swayed by his silver tongue

[soft root]

.....the pinkertons are corrupt, what do you expect

they literally hired agent ross

[obtuse trellis]

but then at that point whats even the point of going after the little gang members they had left they all killed eachother anyway

[soft root]

two gang members slaughtered a town, around 7 members eradicated a whole wealthy family with basically their own private army

[obtuse trellis]

micah killed susan and left arthur to die on the mountain john killed micah and bill and javier fled so the only member left was dutch

[soft root]

a gang literally killed one of the richest men in saint denis, robbed a state bank, and killed hundreds of people in saint denis along

[obtuse trellis]

i think if the pinkertons were smart they could tell who the real problem was the whole camp was being influenced the entire game

[soft root]

they still outlaws

[obtuse trellis]

clearly by just the way he acts arthur wouldve lived a normal life if it wasnt for dutchs influinces

[obtuse trellis]

true i guess alot of people tend to forget we literally are the bad guys in the story

[soft root]

well ofc he would've, that's why the pinkertons were always going for dutch and dutch alone

milton literally offered a deal to the camp to just be able to live normal lives with no law behind their backs as long as dutch hands himself over

[obtuse trellis]

true i guess

still doesnt make sense how they just let micah go after its over tho

and micahs son aswell

[calm oasis]

One thing came to mind, do you guys think that Arthur would accept the deal Milton offered him in chapter 2 if he asked him again in chapter 6?

[soft root]

they probably didn't want to, micah ran

[calm oasis]

Do trade Dutch for his freedom?

[soft root]

arthur probably still wouldn't, he is still loyal to dutch, he just wants the others to run, he might, but he also might not

[obtuse trellis]

yeah but they put in all that effort to get dutch in the mountains but not a literal serial killer

[calm oasis]

I dont think Milton would use Arthur, I think he geniuenly would let Arthur off scot free if he gave in Dutch

[soft root]

who knows, maybe it'll be a case like with john and agent ross

[soft root]

wait.....micah has a son?

[obtuse trellis]

he was loyal to dutch the entire game even in the end he only cared about killing micah not dutch since he knew who the problem was

[calm oasis]

What?

Micah has a son??

[obtuse trellis]

yes micah bell the second

look it up

he was also an outlaw

[calm oasis]

Micah is Micah Bell III

[obtuse trellis]

i just feel like micah had it too easy for being the kind of person he was

[calm oasis]

Micah Bell II would be Micahs dad I think

[soft root]

dude, that's micah's father

[obtuse trellis]

they maybe its the fifth i just know he had a kid

ill look it up

[soft root]

he does not

[obtuse trellis]

this family tree goes way to deep

[soft root]

he also cared about john

[mortal tusk]

Nah Milton has always been fair. Remember he always gave dutch and the gang chances to escape

[soft root]

that's what he says

[calm oasis]

If Micah had a kid, he would sell it for 10 bucks and a bottle of Guarma Rum..

[soft root]

did he let abigail run away?

[calm oasis]

Yes

She died later

[obtuse trellis]

so i googled if micah IN THE GANG DURING RDR2 had a son and it said yes but then it said no

[soft root]

......abigail was kidnapped by the pinkertons

[calm oasis]

Wait Im dumb I thought we were talking about the first game for a sec

My bad

[soft root]

that's a whole confusion thing

[calm oasis]

As a trap

To lure in Arthur

Or potentionally John

Because the pinkertons wouldnt know John would get shot at the train heist

But then again

[mortal tusk]

Because like he said in chapter 4, he gave too many chances

[soft root]

yeah, but does the fact that kidnapping a women help the case that agent milton was actually going to let them go scot free that easy?

[calm oasis]

I think they wanted Arthur

[calm oasis]

Ehhh...

[soft root]

but tbh, we would never know

[calm oasis]

Mind you this was after Lakay

[soft root]

maybe agent milton would betray them, maybe he would not

[calm oasis]

He has lost his patience with them and wanted them all dead

[soft root]

they probably did try, but micah does have a big gang

they were helping criminals and in kahoots with them

according to the law, that usually also makes them criminals

there is a chance they all had bounties, just unmentioned

I refuse to believe bill williamson didn't have a bounty

so her bounty was probably pretty low, but there is a good chance she did do stuff like stealing, not to mention she was with the foreman brothers at some point

yep.....lulled in with the silver tongue of dutch and his charisma

there's honestly so much about the van der linde gang we don't know the details of

the o driscoles are a really big gang

the gang has killed hundreds of o driscoles by the end of the game, yet they keep coming back

[mortal tusk]

Yes we would imo. Remember he one time comes to the camp and tells them to flee or else he will come back?

[soft root]

no, the van der linde gang killed many innocents, like that one gray member who was killed by sean for example

[soft root]

it's like with the whole case with agent ross, you really don't know

what about the massacre they do in like almost every town

[mortal tusk]

There's more evidence to suggest that he's honest than not

[soft root]

and honestly, this was a weakened van der linde gang, who knows what they've done before the blackwater massacre

[soft root]

what evidence?

[mortal tusk]

This may sound stupid but why are they called Pinkerton again

[mortal tusk]

The things I told you

[soft root]

those were words that they've said, not actions, saying that you are going to let them go doesn't mean you're actually going to let them go

[mortal tusk]

Oh so it's like saying the cops basically?

[soft root]

cops are one thing, pinkertons are a federal agency

perhaps they were founded by someone with the last name of pinkerton

[mortal tusk]

You're ignoring the warning that I talked about. What about him suggests he wouldn't

[soft root]

the fact that agent ross betrayed john, but honestly, it's a 50/50

[mortal tusk]

That doesn't mean anything

[soft root]

there's a good chance he would actually do it, there's also a good chance of him not doing it

which is why we can't be certain if agent milton would actually honor the deal

[mortal tusk]

By that logic since Micah would rat out the camp, Dutch must also be a rat right?

[soft root]

you're twisting my meaning

[mortal tusk]

You don't have any meaning

[soft root]

what I mean is that milton has a chance to not honor the deal

and there's a good chance at that

you're saying that he have a really high chance of actually honoring that deal

bc he gave a warning and offered a deal

wth

who thinks that, other than dutch

[mortal tusk]

????

[mortal tusk]

He honored the warning, why not honor the deal?

[soft root]

he honored the warning bc he had the fire power, does not mean he would have the high chance of honoring the deal

[soft root]

which is why it's a 50/50, it could go both ways

yeah, that makes sense

[mortal tusk]

It's not a 50/50

[soft root]

there's a chance

[soft root]

why not

we've already seen pinkertons dishonoring the deal like with john

[mortal tusk]

I have gave more evidence as to why it's more likely than not

[soft root]

you have gave evidence by a warning and what someone said, no actions

action speaks louder than words in some cases, this is one of them

the main point you're basing your point on is if milton was lying or not

honoring the deal of letting the others go scot free if they handed dutch in and go live normal lives

there's a chance, since we never saw what happened, it's like with scrodinger's cat, we wouldn't know

honestly, it's a 50/50 in my opinion

bc agent ross was more of a psycho than milton

and bill and javier

[mortal tusk]

Ah yes. The one that Ross was running? Not milton?

[mortal tusk]

Okay but wheres your evidence

[soft root]

there's a cat in a box, no one knows if the cat in the box is dead or alive, the theory stats that before the box is alive, the cat is basically in a state of both living and dead, and we wouldn't know till we opened the box, just hypothecial though and I probably didn't explain it right

[soft root]

ross was an agent, not the head

[soft root]

the fact that the pinkertons betrayed john, the same case has the chance to happen with agent milton's deal

idk, did you drink hair tonics before logging off?

huh.....weird

usually it shouldn't

probably

[mortal tusk]

Ah true

[lime forge]

i just started the game and im wondering what weapon i should save up for

im not going to be doing pvp at all i dont think

[nimble goblet]

how do u pvp in singleplayer

[lime forge]

by playing online if i end up doing so

[nimble goblet]

nothing transfers lol

[lime forge]

didnt know that

[nimble goblet]

its a completely different game

you make your own character

[lime forge]

good to know

thanks

[midnight ocean]

it's not really necessary to buy guns, you'll receive several for free through missions

[lime forge]

good to know

which guns are good tho

just did a quest for a free gun

[midnight ocean]

you'll also receive large sums of money at points so saving up isn't really needed either

[lime forge]

i get to choose but i also can only pick from literally 2

[late onyx]

You should slowly advance through the story while doing the Adventurer challenges to slowly buy every gun you want!!!!

You can get one of the best horses for free at any point ya want

[midnight ocean]

many people prefer the schofield revolver but it's pretty subjective

[late onyx]

And guns dont make much of a difference

Explore around the world and you'll find some great guns

[midnight ocean]

adventurer challenges?

[lime forge]

is the volcano pistol good at all? that and the springfield rifle are the only things i can buy at the moment

[late onyx]

There are 90 challenges in the game, 10 of them are based around finding treasures

And you get a ton of cash at the end of some of them

[lime forge]

everything else locked for some reason

[midnight ocean]

oh can you get the varmint rifle? that would be a good thing to buy

also the Springfield but there's a way to get a free one

[late onyx]

I would just use the revolvers for now, save up for much better weapons

[lime forge]

i got it already but in what way is it good

[late onyx]

There are better pistols later on

[midnight ocean]

for hunting

[late onyx]

Hunting small animals like rabbits or squirrels!!

[midnight ocean]

which is mostly the reason you need different guns

[lime forge]

i saved some dude and i get a free gun between volcano pistol and springfield rifle

[late onyx]

You can't hunt em with arrows or rifles

Since it ruins the skin

[midnight ocean]

I'd go with Springfield

[late onyx]

Go with the rifle

[lime forge]

alright

[midnight ocean]

squirrels are small game arrows actually

[late onyx]

Varmint rifle is much easier way tho

[midnight ocean]

ruins the pelt doesn't it

[late onyx]

Not if you hit a headshot

Tricky to pull off in practise

[lime forge]

also how do i get a pefect pelt? i still dont understand how the system for it works

i got ONE perfect pelt out of like 10 deer

[midnight ocean]

first you have to study the animal to see if it's 1 2 or 3 stars

you can only get a perfect off a 3 star

[late onyx]

You need to:

• Find a 3 Star animal
• Get a headshot
• Not ruin the skin in any way like stepping over the corpse

[lime forge]

that makes a lot more sense

[midnight ocean]

it doesn't have to be a headshot just a crit

[lime forge]

crit?

where do i shoot for those

[midnight ocean]

if you enter deadeye you'll see red zones on the animals body

[late onyx]

Isnt that an upgrade from much later?

[midnight ocean]

might be easier when you get the better deadeye

[midnight ocean]

no

[late onyx]

Like in early game i'm not sure if you got that

[lime forge]

i dont

whole animal is orange

[midnight ocean]

huh

then just aim for head i guess

[lime forge]

alright

[late onyx]

Just go for a headshot with deadeye, you'll get the kill most of the times and have a perfect pelt if it was a 3 Star animal

[midnight ocean]

with rabbits if you just lock on and fire you'll generally crit without aiming at the head

[late onyx]

Don't waste your time with good or bad

[lime forge]

thanks to both of you

[midnight ocean]

np

[late onyx]

Carefull with the ears tho, it doesnt kill and the pelt gets ruined

Nppp, gl on your Journey

[midnight ocean]

never failed me lol

anything rabbit sized

[late onyx]

Squirrels are really tricky to get pelts from

Snakes not so much thankfully

Always better to stealth headshot ig

[midnight ocean]

i just use small game arrows for squirrels, don't have to aim at the head

[late onyx]

Weird

[midnight ocean]

snakes are a pain tho since you do have to headshot them

[late onyx]

Almost never tried the small game arrows tho, only crafted them for one of the challenges

[midnight ocean]

they're so good

only way to get the small birds too

[late onyx]

also killed like 9 chickens in emerald ranch with them

[late onyx]

Yeah but if you find them all curled up its an easy kill since the head is clear

[midnight ocean]

i never see them until they spook my horse lol

[lime forge]

oh yea

[midnight ocean]

got all my snake skins for the trapper tho

[lime forge]

one more question

does it matter if i use a gun or bow for hunting?

[midnight ocean]

if you use a bow you can avoid scaring off other nearby animals sometimes

[lime forge]

k

thanks again

[midnight ocean]

but thats not really a problem unless you happen to see two three stars of things you need and you need a different weapon for each

np

[late onyx]

Same lol

But close to strawberry there are a ton

[midnight ocean]

oh thats explorer not adventurer btw

[late onyx]

Bow is much better and inmersive if you ask me, it can get almost anything done for ya

Except for bigger game like elks

You'll need a proper rifle for that like a bolt action

[midnight ocean]

you cant use an improved arrow for an elk?

[late onyx]

Yeah but idk if you gotta find a pamphlet first

And dont remember the crafting materials, probably wings tho

[midnight ocean]

think you just buy that one or otherwise get it early

bow works on basically everything except some varmint rifle game like beavers

beaver might be the only thing actually

[late onyx]

Probably

They're just around strawberry or van horn tho

And you only need a couple for satchles and trapper

[midnight ocean]

yeah im just saying there was a guy in here doing bow only hunting and he couldnt get a beaver pelt

he was upset

you cant even lasso them and knife them

[late onyx]

Must have been a pain

[late onyx]

Pretty sure you can't lasso and kill any small/big game

Big Game until a certain point maybe, i forgor

You can lasso them, but the option to kill doesnt appear on like buffalos

[midnight ocean]

yeah beavers are pretty big for their class tho

think theyre the biggest varmint rifle animal

idk what you can actually lasso besides deer tho since i never do it

[late onyx]

Pretty much anything that you can hunt with a bow

Goats, cows, bulls, elks

[midnight ocean]

with a normal arrow you mean lol

[calm oasis]

My game broke for some reason during the bounty hunting mission with Sadie

[midnight ocean]

rip

[rigid marsh]

Hi I currently just finished the Mansion party mission and also did all 4 starter legendary outlaws but still haven’t gotten the second Jim boy Calloway mission what am I missing here?

This is like my 4th play through but first time actually doing the gunslinger stuff

All I know is you have to be at chapter 4 which I currently am

[midnight ocean]

it doesnt pop up immediately

[rigid marsh]

I’ll give it a few in game days I guess I just hope it shows up before guarma lol

[midnight ocean]

mine didnt pop up until after the riverboat, tho i also didnt do black belle until just before horses and apocalypses

[rigid marsh]

Dang I did all 4 at once right before the mansion party

[midnight ocean]

oh lol i spread mine out

i did flaco in chapter 2 and billy midnight in chapter 3

[rigid marsh]

When I played this game on ps4 when it came out I rushed it and only played the story 🥀💔

I wish I could take it back

[midnight ocean]

same kinda

i didnt rush i dont think but still missed so much

[rigid marsh]

Hence why this is like my 4th playthrough 😂

Although I loaded it with like 20+ vanilla+ mods this time

I’m surprised it hasn’t crashed once

[obtuse trellis]

you need to load an un modded version of the game

[calm oasis]

:/

[midnight ocean]

damn lol

its my second and im going for 100%

[acoustic junco]

heloo

[winter moat]

It pops up after a certain main story mission in 4 just keep playing

Not time based

[lime forge]

what do i do with the legendary bear pelt from hosea's quest?

i also got a really big horse from it

is the horse any good?

[sturdy vortex]

👍

[lime forge]

what do i get from selling the legendary bear pelt?

[obsidian glen]

You can sell to the pelt guy and make cloths

They have a wolf that's easy to kill too

Can I get 100% compete if I am in a different chapter this is my first playthrough too

[mortal tusk]

you can't 100% without completing the story

If that's what you're asking

[obsidian glen]

Yeah but if I move on from a chapter is there stuff I just can't do anymore

I just got go chapter 4 and I have like 35 or more percent complete on the game

I am trying to do all the side quests (except fishing)

[calm oasis]

Can somebody help? I have a problem with epilogue mission where you go after Shane Finley or whatever his name is with Sadie

It bugs out all the time

I did use rampage but I removed the files and it still doesnt work

[obtuse trellis]

remove the “lml” file

or just load up an un modded version of the game

[midnight ocean]

you can also craft things that give you passive bonuses from legendary animals but thats at the fence, not the trapper

if you dont know what the fence is yet youll get introduced in chapter 3

[obtuse trellis]

no chapter 2

[midnight ocean]

i dont think you can miss anything for 100%

certain things are harder but not impossible

there is plenty of stuff that is missable but not required for 100%

[coral osprey]

castle super beast?

[midnight ocean]

what?

[coral osprey]

nvm

mistook the name

[midnight ocean]

oh lol i just googled

thats funny

[midnight ocean]

may need to reinstall the game

mods really mess things up

[calm oasis]

I wont lose the progress though, right..?

[midnight ocean]

you can try verifying the files through steam also

idk how saves work on pc

might need to back them up first

[calm oasis]

Last time I was modding the game

[obtuse trellis]

just remove the “lml” file

and before you add the mods back make sure to make a backup of your un modded game

[obsidian glen]

@midnight ocean you a real one

[midnight ocean]

what i do

[obsidian glen]

[midnight ocean]

😳

[obsidian glen]

Helping everyone

[pure plinth]

How Red dead redemption 2 is 7 years old and we still doesn't have john's haircut is beyond me 😭

Give bro his hair back

[midnight ocean]

oh thanks dawg

i try my best

[long tulip]

is there any way to make cover art arthur morgan outfit without mods?

[cyan pendant]

No

You can’t get the hat or jacket right

[midnight ocean]

time to pick more orchids

[midnight ocean]

oh nice if you do the whole professor bell questline before you do the bounty in saint denis the police chief has special dialogue

[obsidian glen]

How long have you played @midnight ocean

[midnight ocean]

like when did i get the game or how many hours do i have

[obsidian glen]

Both

[midnight ocean]

got the game pretty much on release

[obsidian glen]

Dang

I just got it cuz it was 12$

[midnight ocean]

and over 500 hours lol

this is only my second full playthrough tho

think i tried two other times to replay but only made it to chapter 2 or 3

[obsidian glen]

Oh I thought you would have more

[obtuse trellis]

yes

[obsidian glen]

Yeah

[midnight ocean]

naw i love this game but theres too much other stuff to play lol

[obsidian glen]

I have like 50 hours and got it a month ago

Yeah I feel you

[obtuse trellis]

@long tulip

[obsidian glen]

My hb got me to get it and has a minute played so far 😭

[midnight ocean]

wow lol

[obsidian glen]

Yeah

I feel like I should get another game but I dunno what

Wait how do I make it so my hat is never lost

[obtuse trellis]

wdym

[obsidian glen]

It falls off a lot and I can get it on my horse but I already have 3 hats on there

Like when it falls off in combat

[obtuse trellis]

remove one one the hats from your horse and then put the one you want on it

[obsidian glen]

Oh ok

And what's the easiest way to get the gator hat

[obtuse trellis]

which one is that

[obsidian glen]

The gator hat

[obtuse trellis]

the legendary gator pelt and four snake things idk what they called

look it up on the wiki

[obsidian glen]

Just at swamp

Cuz I saw 0 gators at the swamp

[midnight ocean]

legendary gator isnt available til later on

chapter 6

[obtuse trellis]

isnt it the one from that mission in chapter 4

[late onyx]

i stared into my brother´s eyes when he showed me he had 1k hours on rdr 2 single player