#i5 14600kf underperforming weird power/cooling/bios issue?

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cold mica
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got cpu mentioned above, using core temp i see that it NEVER surpasses 120watts of power and NEVER turboes higher than 4ghz.... isn't it supposed to go higher up to 5.3ghz? what's wrong with it, i dunno. tried cinebenching it, at 100% load it never goes any higher. what's wrong with it? got a deepcool ak400 rated for 220watts. temps stay stable 70ish while at 100% yet it doesnt turbo higher, what!!!

naive cradle
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Which power profile are you using in the BIOS?

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Also, is this just clocks or is actual performance lower?

cold mica
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haven't seen anything like that in the bios
its just clocks

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and power i guess

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its supposed to use like 200 watts when it wants to turbo

pure pike
cold mica
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was high performance now ultimate

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no change

pure pike
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What mb do you have?

cold mica
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a biostar z690

naive cradle
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"Intel Optimized Defaults" has very low power targets because of this

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120W makes me really suspect it's this setting

cold mica
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updating bios was first thing i did

naive cradle
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Right, then you need to change the power profile

cold mica
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biostar bios is really really plain even if its z690 chipset
can't find it or it's called something else

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is that pl1/pl2?

naive cradle
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That's controlled by it, yes

cold mica
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what would be good values to set those at

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if i make them equal does that mean that i allow my cpu to always turbo regardless of power?

naive cradle
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@cold mica Check here, I so rarely see Biostar boards https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/biostar-rolls-out-lga1700-motherboard-bios-update-with-baseline-profile.322245/

TechPowerUp Forums
BIOSTAR Rolls Out LGA1700 Motherboard BIOS Update with Baseline Pro...

BIOSTAR, a leading manufacturer of motherboards, graphics cards, and storage devices, today announced an Intel Baseline BIOS update for BIOSTAR Intel 700/600 VALKYRIE, RACING, and SILVER series motherboards to improve system stability and performance. BIOSTAR has introduced an "Intel Default...

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Crappy screenshots, but it's better than nothing

cold mica
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do i set it to intel or to auto

cold mica
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i dunno

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i seem to have fixed it but now its overheating

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looking at temps every 5min they get to 100 and my game lags and then it stabilizies again for 5min

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ordered water cooler

naive cradle
cold mica
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i did get latest bios im pretty sure but where do i check

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since i get a water cooler tomorrow I'm about to oc it a little but currently I'm running into a weird issue

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i set the power limits manually so it doesn't overheat
but then next time i go into bios the settings dissappear

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if i use the reset settings function they appear again

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but at this point I'm not sure they're actually keeping applied

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it's also annoying to reenable xmp and all that

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i dunno

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I'll mess with it more tomorrow and hopefully everything gets saved and works fine

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biostar could really do with some better names and menus though

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i guess it's a budget z board so it is what it is but damn

kindred vapor
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You should only need to enable xmp when you update bios. Once its setup, shouldn't need to again. Also, you can manually set the boost clock if you want, and see if it will even do it.

cold mica
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didn't see an option for boost clock

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saw regular p core and e core stuff

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also didn't see option for pl1 and pl2 time limits

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biostar bios is really plain even if it technically lets you oc

kindred vapor
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Yes, p cores and e cores is your clock speeds

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I know absolutely nothing about that board. But basically you would just make sure its settings are to what your boost clock "should" be. Like on my gigabyte board, I had it say 5100, I jist changed it to 5500 for the p cores. I did alot more with my settings, but you should see something like that. Don't mess with the ratios which probably say 100

cold mica
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yep

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i might want to undervolt but also i don't know anything about those settings they're the hardest ones to figure out

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just make it run slightly cooler as it's pushing near 6ghz when turbo

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or maybe all the time if i figure out how to either

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get the base clock to be higher instead of turbo
or make it turbo all the time

kindred vapor
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Just look up a YouTube tutorial with your mobo. Its actually really easy, and there are a ton of failsafes to keep ya from messing anything up.

cold mica
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oh I've tried

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seemingly noone except me has this mb

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the hardest part is finding the settings cause they're always hidden or named differently

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sometimes they don't even exist which just leaves me confused

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i generally don't expect anything fancy cause it is a pretty budget board after all

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just gonna squeeze a liiiitle more as well as some basic stuff like disabling power limits
i think i can do 250w with the cooler I'm getting later today

kindred vapor
cold mica
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cougar poseidon vistek pro argb 360

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there's a mix between western and chinese brands in my region so idk which one this is

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but techpowerup had a review and it was alright

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thoughts?

kindred vapor
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I mean, yeah, that cooler is actually overkill for your cpu

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Air cooling is jist fine for them

cold mica
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a good air cooler yea

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i didn't have a good one

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it was overheating at like 4.7 ghz and 150wats

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my case not having any fans didn't help

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so i just got a spacious case with fans as well as a water cooler

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i don't think I'll ever have to upgrade those two

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possibly the only truly futureproof components
assuming they don't break but same goes for every other component

kindred vapor
# cold mica a good air cooler yea

You could buy a air cooler, phantom spirit for $50 and it would cool that cpu fantastically. My wife has a 13600k heavily oc'ed with one and it never exceeds 75c under heavy load.

Air coolers are THE best future proof cooling system for any rig. They dont break. At most you replace the fans at some point. After many many years. Aios on the other hand lol.

If you insist on aio's, a artic II or artic III for under 100 bucks, and they are one of the best aios in the bizz

cold mica
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i already got it

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its already installed

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didnt have time to do any tests but it seems to work considering 30c idle

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im very confused about making a curve for the pump and radiator fans though

umbral anvil
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There’s 2 choices imo. Lack of* Audible noise for default and at 90% temp then 100% pump. Or just flat out 100% pump speed.

cold mica
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does this seem correct? i dont hear it at all
i only hear the radiator fans

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umbral anvil
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Mine is set 80% then at 89c it goes 100%. I’m wild. I don’t go pump full until tjmax

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My pump is yet to go 100% since I’ve had it

cold mica
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is it normal for some cores to be significantly hotter than the others?

umbral anvil
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Yes

kindred vapor
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I do the same as @umbral anvil if I'm using aios in builds. Ill set it to two different things depending on intel vs amd. I set both to 80% for pump speed, but intel i set it to 85c to go full 100%, and amd i set it to go 100% at 80c. I typically follow a 1-1 ratio for my fan curve depending on the temp, but the lowest it goes is 60%. So, at 75c itll be at 75%. I will adjust depending where people keep their pcs. But typically they are under a desk, and I swear by premium fans, so the noise is good. I like my systems running cool. Fans are easy to replace. Cpus, not so much.

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@cold mica

kindred vapor
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I just saw this. What were you doing where some cores were in the 90s?

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You should never see 90 anything with a 360 aio on a 14600k

cold mica
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i don't know exactly

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trying to figure it out rn

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i was doing a benchmark if that's what you mean

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but i also set p cores to 6 ghz and e cores at 45

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they did not reach that speed

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nor did they actually use 200 watts of power

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yet the temps are still bad

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so i don't know

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is this normal

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in the middle of cinebench it does this

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idk

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intel xtu says it has no watchdog support? its something that was supposed to come with the chipset? ill reinstall windows cause i dunno

kindred vapor
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Bro, the boost clock on a 14600k is 5.3ghz, your essentially trying to overclock it 800mhz, thats why your getting those temps. Your also hitting the tj max. Go into bios, run it at default, and enable xmp. Run all the tests again and check temps. If your still hitting tjmax with a 360mm aio on a 14600k, something aint right. You either installed the cooler improperly, or didnt tighten it enough. Or you didnt put enough paste on, or forgot to remove the sticker on the bottom.

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Or you have a faulty pump

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Or all the above who knows. But you shouldn't be hitting 100c with that cpu and cooler. In any scenario.

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My wife has my old 13600k, which is essentially the same cpu, when it was overclocked only( pcore 5.1 > 5.5, and ecore 4.9 > 5.1), with a tower cooler I never saw it go above 90c in any scenario, including prime95 tests which are brutal. Hardly anything made it go above 75c ever. So, something aint right, and my guess is bios if you installed everything correctly.

cold mica
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it never gets anywhere near doing those clocks

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it overheats at max turbo temp
if it ever turbos that high to begin with

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i get 30c idle so how can it be the pump

kindred vapor
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Those are normal boost clocks @cold mica

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And the boost clock on ecores is 4.0ghz

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And p cores is 5.3ghz

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So, even now, with you hitting tjmax where it downclocks, you are still hitting above its rated boost clocks on both p and e cores.

cold mica
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how?

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its 5.39 and 4.09
0.09? really? on an aio?

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this cant be right

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also keep in mind it does those clocks for like 1 second

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so what's the point

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something has to be wrong

kindred vapor
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Aios dont mean increased speed lol.

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And 5.3 is the MAX boost clock on a 14600k

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And 4.0 ghz ecore boost

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@cold mica

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So using xtu / bios you are overclocking it.

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Turn off the overclock. Fix the aio. Because it shouldn't be getting to those temps. Tighten it down, repaste it, do something. But its not working properly.

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Its doing those clocks for 1 seconds because its hitting tjmax and downclocking.

cold mica
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how does the overclock do anything

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if it cant reach those speeds

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how does it work

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if i oc it to 9999 ghz but it can still only do 5.3 its still 5.3 isnt it

cold mica
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default bios settings with default xmp1 profile

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it does not TURBO at all

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uh oh

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my aio fans were upside down and blowing air in instead of out

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let me fix that and see if anything is better

umbral anvil
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Don’t won’t make the difference you’re seeing

kindred vapor
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Also, you won't see boost clocks unless you are playing at game or something. Everything you have posted says it boosted OVER your rated boost clocks, by at least 100mhz more. Which would mean you have an overclock on.

Did you mess with your power plan at all under windows?

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A windows power plan can mess with boost clocks. But if your cpu is overheating, which, looks like it is, it wont matter.

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Regardless those temps aren't right. So once again, tighten down the aio priperly. Did you go in an X pattern and tighten each screw down only ONE turn at a time on each alternating screw? Did you apply enough thermal grease? Did you use the right tyoe of grease? Make sure the pump is in fact working. While its on you can squeeze the tube and with the pressure you should feel the water sloshing around.

cold mica
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it was 60-70 during full load when stock

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but once again when stock it's underperforming massively

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to my knowledge the cooler is installed correctly

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i used the paste that came with it instead of mx4 though

cold mica
cold mica
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i could not be more confused tbh

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in gaming it works fine i guess

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also i can't check pump hoses cause they're covered in braided things and they're really hard to push

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i will remount it though

kindred vapor
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It depends on the application, like gpus, it wont boost unless needed. But you keep not answering certain questions. Make sure your power plan under windows is set to balanced. When selecting it make sure to reset it to default too in case something modified its settings. Power plans can absolutely effect the clock speeds of cpus. You also keep showing screenshots of the cpu hitting tjmax, which is 100c, that should never be happening with that cpu and cooler, ever, especially at stock settings. So long as you have ample airflow in the pc, and especially jow the fans are turned around the proper way. I keep mentioning tightening the cpu cooler, its possible you messed something up there like you did the fans. Also, the thermal grease that comes with aios is just .... ok, the mx4 is absolutely better. Also, when you take off the cpu cooler to inspect you can check to see how the paste spread out. Personally, I find the best method is the gloved finger route. Lay a glob of paste on, and with a latex gloved hand, spread out the paste evenly with your index finger. Or a spatula, just some people are not good with using spatula. Mx4 is pretty thin for pastes, so itll spread easy enough.

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@cold mica

cold mica
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as you can see no oc (bios bone stock+xmp)

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it refuses to go above base clock

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and NEVER turbos

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64c at non turbo speed 100% load is fine, no?

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i dont think its the cooler if im gonna be honest

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but i might as well do one final remount since i put the rgb side backwards (i dont care but still)

kindred vapor
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Well, step one, take it off ultra. Set it to balanced, and make sure to default its settings.

cold mica
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like its sucking air in instead of pushing it out rn

kindred vapor
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No, 64c and not turbo and only using non boost speeds is terrible

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If you are ever unsure of fans, just get a tissue paper and see what way it blows

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If its pulling the tissue in, you have your answer

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Also, because I can almost gurantee something is fucked up.

cold mica
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how do i make sure xtu is default

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and none of the settings are changed

kindred vapor
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Open a elevated command prompt / cmd (in search type "cmd" right click on command prompt, and select run as administrator)

Then copy and paste each line separately, below. Or simply type each one in individually.

Before you run the DISM repair, it's important that you run a disk check to spot and repair any issues in the file system. Not doing this will render the follow up DISM and SFC repairs useless.

Disk Check - chkdsk c: /f /r

Fix 1. DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

Fix 2. DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth

Fix 3. DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

Fix 4. SFC /scannow

kindred vapor
cold mica
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no i changed to xtu after bios proved pretty useless

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i dont see any kind of voltage options there

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its a budget board it just doesnt have them
xtu does

kindred vapor
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Xtu is a great program to test overclocks out, and then apply them to bios. There is a default setting for xtu

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Apply balanced power plan, set it to default settings.

Apply xtu default settings.

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Uninstall xtu

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Restart pc

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Then do this .
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Open a elevated command prompt / cmd (in search type "cmd" right click on command prompt, and select run as administrator)

Then copy and paste each line separately, below. Or simply type each one in individually.

Before you run the DISM repair, it's important that you run a disk check to spot and repair any issues in the file system. Not doing this will render the follow up DISM and SFC repairs useless.

Disk Check - chkdsk c: /f /r

Fix 1. DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

Fix 2. DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth

Fix 3. DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

Fix 4. SFC /scannow

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You are fixing windows 11, making sure nothing is borked and conflicting with settings by doing the above

cold mica
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i reinstalled it

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it should be fine

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is there any chance it's the motherboard

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ok last thing before reseating cooler

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doing disk check cause why not

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bios reset again to everything auto except xmp1 at 3200

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and then I'll do another test

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what do i use for that if not xtu though

cold mica
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xtu test with default xtu and default bios

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average temp 72c

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good?bad? idk

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would mounting my aio like this instead of the image do anything bad

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kindred vapor
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No

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Again, set your power plan to balanced default

cold mica
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it is

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its default

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ANY chance it could be the motherboard?

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i asked around and people told me temps are fine as is current throttling like idk

kindred vapor
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Hitting 100c is never fine. And your temps are not fine if your cpu is never boosting. Your essentially hitting 60c under light load, essentially. Yes its 100% load, but its not even boosting the way it should. Its not using the amount of power it should either which will spike the temp when it does do whst it should.

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And yes, it absolutely could be the motherboard. Post your entire system specs

cold mica
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does THAT look normal at 72c or no

kindred vapor
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72 is fine for that, imo, a little high still given the the aio

cold mica
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I'm going to trust you on that and say that my mounting is off

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i didn't open my case yet to do anything physical to the pc

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cause i have new parts coming soon and I'll just do it then

kindred vapor
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Those temps would be great on an i7 / i9, but for an i5 hardly pushing 200 watts, with a 360mm aio, naw. That's a bit high, especially considering everything you have said about it not really boosting.

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Again, in my old rig, now my wife's, she essentially has the same cpu, a 13600k. But heavily oc'ed, and on air cooling never sees above 75c. Thise is now a 3 year old cpu, which i haven't changed the paste on.

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Granted every system is different, case, ambient temps all play roles. But even with transient spikes, you should never hit 100c, ever. Even stress testing it with that cooler should you be hitting 100c. If you are something needs tweaked.

But this is my own ocd nature. Others will say its fine because you will never be pushing the cpu remotely close to that in day to day use.

Heat is the destroyer of all things electronic, and maybe you are the kind of person who doesnt mind upgrading every couple years. I personally like my stuff to last at least 4. So I do everything within my power to make sure they last. And proper settings / cooling will do that

cold mica
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remounted cooler and got no change

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i can keep it at 5ghz-ish all core

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if i manually set voltage to 1.2

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so basically idk what proper settings are but it seems to be working

cold mica
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changed some stuff its working now]

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64c while gaming

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yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ok thanks for the reality check