My ideal pc builed for minecraft only fps in europe never build a pc

[steady tide]

kind of mid

[nimble wadi]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/48f4zP
Howd u feel about this one

[clear pebble]

why

[clear pebble]

like it but 550w is quite low tho cuz of upgrade room. cpu is ok but idk think i myne is better https://pc-builds.com/compare/cpu/1BZ1je/ryzen-5-9600x/ryzen-7-7700x

and cooler is a fair point but idk if I need it

[clear pebble]

btw ik you need to take it whit a grain of salt

[flint ivy]

i used that specific case in one of my builds and i must say its the worst piece of garbage ive ever built in

its a mini ITX case marketed as mATX

because an mATX board theoretically fits in there but you will have a hundred and one problem

[clear pebble]

ok thx 4 that idk noting abt cases what do you recomend 4 a 50-60euro matx case on amazon

[clear pebble]

🇹 🇭 🇽

[nimble wadi]

This one shows the 9600x as the winner though

[clear pebble]

where ?

[nimble wadi]

And I dont know the validity of that site

[clear pebble]

ohh dang your wight thx

sr only looked at benchmark score

[nimble wadi]

Single core performance is what youre looking at for gaming, the 7700x is a better productivity or multi tasking cpu

the 9600x is a better gaming one

[clear pebble]

ok thx fr

and itz cheaper

btw i have a 180 hz montior its it a good ide to upgrade

1080p

[nimble wadi]

If youd like ig, its said that 1440p is the new sweetspot for gaming

Takes away bottlenecks when using some components

and other stuff that improves performance

[clear pebble]

ture i think il leave it thill i can afford a better montor upgare

so like 240 + 1440p prob

[nimble wadi]

The setup can run minecraft very good at 1080p, theres not really a big problem to run the games at 1080p in my opinion, just that the gpu would be under utilized

youd be fine mane

[clear pebble]

What do you recommend?

[unborn sail]

Dogshit

[unborn sail]

🤓

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ts9VVF https://www.ebay.de/itm/397109282231?

[nimble wadi]

?

[nimble wadi]

Youre calling my build dogshit when you went on ebay to find a 7800xt

It isnt dogshit, you just decided to use a used gpu

which is fine, Im just not unemployed to go looking on ebay for every person that asks for a pc build

[steady tide]

those fps vaule look wrong

since a 4790k can hit higher fps then that at 4k easy

[nimble wadi]

Ye I wouldn't trust the site

[steady tide]

there 100% gpu limtied it loooks

there fps nubmer look fake unless going there very cpu limited aswell at 4k disapte there fps is like 50% from at 1080p

the worse part that makes me think fake is the 41% exastly faster at 1080P and 4k

[clear pebble]

Thb i just use it to get some idea i dont rly believe that it is true

[stoic shuttle]

Even that’s a pretty bad idea

The site’s useless

[stoic shuttle]

G50 has the heat-death-of-the-universe controller

What’s the budget/planned date of purchase?

[stoic shuttle]

The stated maximum GPU length for that case is kinda bullshit, you’ll usually only cram a 330mm card in it tops

Dunno how they got away with claiming 345mm

[clear pebble]

ok bouht the pc now and got a gigbabyt 3 fan model 9060xt 16 gb and the 5 9600x

[stoic shuttle]

the list Sai sent??

please cancel that

both lists sent here have their own issues, so preferably cancel anything you bought

[clear pebble]

no no took advice and changed the case not more exept a 3 fan gpu from gb

btw the gpu fits np wiht that and got a anti sag bracket

[stoic shuttle]

why 🥀

[stoic shuttle]

what’s the list

[unborn sail]

That PSU was shite

Gonna blow up

[nimble wadi]

I honestly see nothing wrong with my list, I currently have a G50 and always have been using it, never got a heat issue

And anyone can go search up used gpus, I dont do that unless the user is comfortable using it

Or unless the situation calls for it like an extremely low budget

But what he asked for, he would get with my build, no need to use the used market unless theyre comfortable with doing so

Probably the only thing about my list is the 550w psu, I couldve made it 750 or 850 for upgradability

But beside that, performance is fine

for the budget

[unborn sail]

Not enough watts

[nimble wadi]

340 * 1.5 = 510

You wanna double the amount of the estimated wattage?

Cuz if a build is estimated to be 700 watts youre getting them a 1400w psu

[nimble wadi]

multiplying the estimated wattage by 1.5 works 99% of the time because that extra 50% covers the transient spikes that the cpu or gpu can cause

the cpu is about 65w, if it spikes to 110w thats 45w extra, the gpu is 170w, if it spikes to 300w itd be 130w extra, the cpu and gpu and the extra watts all added together is 410w, leaving 140w for the other components, I dont see the issue

[unborn sail]

It can exceed the TDP you moron

[nimble wadi]

Exactly

I jus did the whole calculation for you

Whats the issue

A 9600x above 110w? Thats not normal

a 9060xt above 300w?

[unborn sail]

Want to upgrade the GPU? Throw in a new PSU

[nimble wadi]

I already said that

[nimble wadi]

.

But u said the psu would explode

So now ur changing ur reasoning

goodbye

[unborn sail]

Retar

[steady tide]

9600x has 142W power limit if you using its stock high perfomince mode

[nimble wadi]

Luckily enough, theres still headroom for that amount

[steady tide]

just overclock it

[nimble wadi]

thats a diff story

Then the mobo wouldnt be enough either

with those vrms

[steady tide]

i am not joking i recomend to overclock

[steady tide]

those are fine

[nimble wadi]

Overclock it for wut

[steady tide]

to make it use less power and faster

[nimble wadi]

You mean undervolt it?

[steady tide]

and overclock to 5.6ghz

[nimble wadi]

I personally wont recommend that, especially to someone who probably wont know how to do it properly but if it works for you then sure

Cuz that sounds like u want the cpu to boost higher with lower voltage

[steady tide]

set +200mhz set PPT/EDC/TDC set scailer to 1x tune curve opmzer

[steady tide]

PBO you can easy to offset VFT curve

[nimble wadi]

not every user would know how to do this, yet alone where to find it, adding 200 mhz on all cores can sometimes fail if the user doesnt properly use the curve optimizer

[steady tide]

your not adding 200mhz

[nimble wadi]

Either ways, I get what youre saying, but the psu has enough headroom for the stock either ways

[steady tide]

its very very rare +200 not sable sicne it not offseting clock speed its just letting it use high point on the VFT curve that not nomral used buy that sku but are still fused into cpu

[nimble wadi]

Right, youre allowing ur cpu to boost up to 200mhz but it still needs knowledge of using the curve otpimizer

[steady tide]

lower number better

[stoic shuttle]

what

[steady tide]

try -30 run test if failes try higher

[stoic shuttle]

no

[nimble wadi]

340 * 1.5 isnt 510?

[stoic shuttle]

no as in that's a stupid methodology

[nimble wadi]

??

[steady tide]

wait why 1.5X

[stoic shuttle]

it's completely arbitrary

[nimble wadi]

As a general rule of thumb, 1.5x works, give me a case where it doesnt

[steady tide]

its crazy overkill

[stoic shuttle]

or just look at the individual maximum draws of the hardware??

minor rails, cpu and gpu???

always assume minor rails can draw anywhere up to 100w, then simply look at the cpu/gpu

[unborn sail]

You always want to overclock

[nimble wadi]

There isnt a time where the 1.5x doesnt cover the maximum draws

[nimble wadi]

It can be but it isnt too much of overkill to the point where youre wasting money

[stoic shuttle]

okay, and there isn't a time where multiplying by a hundred doesn't cover it either

it's arbitrary

[nimble wadi]

clearly if someone can say 550 isnt enough for a 9600x and a 9060xt

[steady tide]

its fine

[stoic shuttle]

it's enough, you're just cucking the PC out of any other GPU

not worth saving on

[nimble wadi]

Which is why I didnt double it but rather used 1.5

[stoic shuttle]

or just USE REAL METRICS 🥀

[steady tide]

450W is good

[nimble wadi]

Youre saving at most $10 switching from 1300w to 1200 if you know what youre doing

[nimble wadi]

Thats if youre not considering the wattage of everything else in your pc

[stoic shuttle]

literally what are you talking about

[steady tide]

what in the lsat list uses like 100W

[nimble wadi]

What Im saying is that the 1.5x isnt much above to the point where you can say youre wasting too much money

Again, give me a situation where it wont work

[stoic shuttle]

overestimation

[nimble wadi]

Might not be 100 but its atleast 70

[stoic shuttle]

literally just use rails/cpu/gpu

[nimble wadi]

And you cant find a 510w psu

[steady tide]

so we still have 15% of the power buget left

aka around the 10 to 20% headroom that i like

[nimble wadi]

By at most 50-100w

itd only be 100 for like the high end systems

[stoic shuttle]

literally 10 more euro over your 550w unit is a GT750

this is not worth saving on

which, as far as I know, is a GFA3 rebrand

[nimble wadi]

750w is x2 not x1.5

Its to be used as a baseline

Minimum wattage you should get for the build

unless the 750w is the minimum, no reason to get it

[stoic shuttle]

hello yes gimme a PSU with nothing

what

10 bucks to cut 200w off

wanna put a new gpu in the PC? Well fuck you ig, because this guy saved you ten euro for a 550w unit

I don't get it 🥀

[nimble wadi]

Ive already stated I couldve gotten more wattage for upgradability

[stoic shuttle]

which.. is the only reasonable thing to do

[nimble wadi]

And either ways, Ive found a way for all cases, to have headroom for transient spikes without over spending, I dont get the arguement youre trying to make

[stoic shuttle]

that's great if you've found ways, it does not matter

this argument is pointless, you're defending a 550w unit 🥀

[nimble wadi]

No, Im defending the 1.5x calculation that youre trying to say makes no sense

[stoic shuttle]

it's worse than rails/cpu/gpu

[nimble wadi]

When in reality, in cases with builds like this, the difference from checking the maximum draws and using the calculation I have is like 50w

[stoic shuttle]

flat out

[nimble wadi]

The higher end builds would have like 100w difference

Which I personally would be fine with, I dont want my gpu melting for any unknown reason a manufacturer has

especially since they dont pay for my shi

if it does

And ive already stated I couldve gotten a higher wattage psu

And in this case, using "rails/cpu/gpu" gets you to 550w either ways

So your argument is pointless

just proves my calculations are correct

[stoic shuttle]

jfc relying on pcpp's wattage calculation is the problem to begin with

[nimble wadi]

I wasnt

Their wattage is 340

The psu I recommended is 550

And ofc I check to see if they have the right TDP for their components

[stoic shuttle]

340w is the draw of the CPU/GPU alone, this is the problem with PCPP's wattage calculation

multiplying by 1.5 is just guesstimating

[nimble wadi]

65 + 170 = 340

Yeah youre cooked buddy

[stoic shuttle]

65

what

[nimble wadi]

pcpp doesnt put the power draw of the components, its the tdp, its just to be used as an estimation and not an exact value, which is why it says estimated wattage

it can be used as a naked eye basis though of the component