9070XT or 5070TI?

[short spruce]

Current PC specs:
Ryzen 9 7950X
64GB DDR5 6400MHz
RTX 3070
2.5tb nvme storage (two drives)
Corsair RM850e(12v2x6 or 3 8-pins)

I play lots of beamng, modded Minecraft, occasional AAA titles and some older games.
I also do some video editing in Davinci resolve, but I think either card would be great there.

I care mostly for raw performance, I use DLSS quite a bit as of current though. I dont use RT unless the game makes me, like the new doom.

Its roughly a ~$120 price gap from the 9070XT up to the 5070ti.

[coral bison]

Minecraft with RT is amazing

I only play it like that

And works fine even on the slowest of RTX GPUs

[short spruce]

I just use BSL😔 Im a poser

[heavy wigeon]

BSL is visually identical imo

I’d probably get the 9070xt but Idrk the performance difference between them

[verbal tapir]

nah 5070ti is $749 now

that's such an easy buy

$30 more than 9070xt

[coral bison]

Still worth it in my opinion

DLSS > FSR

RT is better obviously

Streaming should be better too

The only place where AMD wins clearly is Linux support

Not all Linux setups support NVidia

[verbal tapir]

yeah

that's so worth it

[heavy wigeon]

Op said $120 for them

[pale crescent]

Whatever is cheapest

[verbal tapir]

the price dropped today

to $749

[heavy wigeon]

Oh

[prisma dragon]

How

To RT

[royal zealot]

Bedrock player?

I would consider Radeon to Geforce in this case.
Both graphics cards are expensive and is likely to be used for a long time.
If NVIDIA's driver support is gone, the card is almost useless
AMD has raw power, so it would affect lesser

[coral bison]

It's not easy. Currently RT support is broken and requires a script file to enable. Besides the script you need an RT enabled global resource pack such as Vanilla RTX

[coral bison]

Yes

[prisma dragon]

I just use rethinking voxels

[sacred flame]

Yeah if the price gap is 120 between 9070 XT and 5070 Ti, get the 9070 XT realistically you wont see a difference

[pale crescent]

RT in Minecraft is lols

[coral bison]

It's really good. It adds colored lighting which is a big deal for builds

[verbal tapir]

it's more like $30

5070ti dropped in price

[gritty agate]

i dual boot windows and linux so i went with the 9070xt

i dont see much diffrence in any

astetics wise the 5070 line has a bunch more cooler option

[warm quiver]

Id say 9070 xt cuz lipnus

[gritty agate]

Yea

But that 5070 Miku edition looks so good

[coral bison]

WAIT MIKU EDITION?

[gritty agate]

Ooh you sweet summer child

Yes miku edition

They made a whole line of stuff

Case mobo aio PSU keyboard mouse headphones mousepad

And the 5070 and 5080

[coral bison]

Yeah I found it

[gritty agate]

And I think a 5060

[coral bison]

Too bad they don't ship it to here

And tbh a white setup is not for me

[coral bison]

HELL NO

[gritty agate]

I'm in the u.s and theres no way there shipping here

But it's still sick

[coral bison]

Welp idek about US but here we have pretty easy importing

Just with a 30% tax

• shipping

[gritty agate]

WOW

[coral bison]

Yeah

[gritty agate]

The tariffs are making it impossible to import

[coral bison]

Hmmm

[gritty agate]

120 percent

[coral bison]

Atp idek if tarrifs even work

[gritty agate]

They dont

[coral bison]

Constitutional court tried to cancel them

[coral bison]

Then what's the issue?

[gritty agate]

You can't just bring production to America on a whim

If your want that you need to pressure manufacturers not consumers

[coral bison]

Uhh I wasn't asking about how to make tariffs efficient

I was asking if they're real

But anyways

[gritty agate]

They are

[coral bison]

Oh

[gritty agate]

But they haven't gone into affect fully

[coral bison]

Yeah that's what I thought

[gritty agate]

Yea

[coral bison]

Is there even an American GPU vendor?

Idk what countries they all belong to lol

I only know what's Chinese

Like Palit

Lol all major vendors are from Taiwan

[gritty agate]

nah

[coral bison]

Lol great

[pale crescent]

Trump would like that but it would cost 3x more than anything else on the market… hence tariffs

And that’s not me being political, that’s just fact and why you got tariffs thrown left right and center making gpus more expensive on top of Ngreedia and amdelusional for pricing

[coral bison]

Ik but I was asking for a different reason. If there was an American vendor that manufactures in China, they could move to like India or something or maybe they'd get lower tariffs because they do pay taxes in America

[coral bison]

Welp I support everything that hurts AI development be it only in China or everywhere

[pale crescent]

I think cost is the most important factor along with quality. If an American company could tick every box, would be great for competition all round and particularly in the Americas

[coral bison]

I'm very surprised there's no American company like that

[gritty agate]

Well the cost of workerd here is extremely high in china you could pay people 2 cents an hour

Here the min at least in California is 17:30

[royal zealot]

Do you use BetterRTX or the vanilla one

[coral bison]

Idk what BetterRTX is. I use VanillaRTX which is the most reputable one

[royal zealot]

BetterRTX is a custom ray tracing pipeline by the community which is actually Better

See silentwisperer's video about it

[coral bison]

Hmmm I wonder if it works now when RTX support is broken (since like February?)

And from what I've seen so far it's more intensive

So my system won't run it well

Also the sharp shadows "improvement" isn't actually an improvement. RT is supposed to give blurry shadows

[royal zealot]

what's your GPU?

[coral bison]

3050 8 gig

[short spruce]

Just got a 9070XT for $720 on amazon. Arrives monday.

[coral bison]

820-1000 here 😭

But welp at least not 3k like gaming laptops

[short spruce]

Yeah prices are pretty crazy, I caught the deal same day I first saw it and there was 16 left in stock on amazon when buying lol

[coral bison]

Well it's a decent deal ig

I would never get an AMD card myself

[short spruce]

Why’s that?

[coral bison]

RT

[short spruce]

I do video editing in resolve and mac of all things was my first time using AMD in a “professional” context

Understandable

[coral bison]

Uhh bad idea

2x the rendering time

NVidia has some new technology for rendering now

I forgot the name

[short spruce]

I’ll see how it goes, if I regret it I’ll eat these words but I think it’ll do amazing.

[coral bison]

Welp you can always return it ig

[short spruce]

In the timeline my CPU does most of the heavy lifting, the GPU only gets used for stabilizing and exporting.

It’ll at least beat my 3070

[coral bison]

Hmmm idk

It depends on the program

I'm not into editing at all (I have 0 creativity literally) so can't speak about compatibility

[short spruce]

Compatibility wont be a problem

[coral bison]

I've heard that for productivity Nvidia > Intel > AMD

[coral bison]

No like compatibility with fast features

[short spruce]

I dont use any add-ons/plug ins with resolve

[coral bison]

Again I know nothing about editing

You should look up professional reviews

[short spruce]

From what Ive gathered talking to many people, the 9070XT will be a good card for it. And its a good gaming card for, since I dont care for RT at all. I use DLSS, but from the videos Ive seen I have high expectations for FSR4. Using fsr 3 on my 3070 honestly looks similar to DLSS at least in the games I tried it in.

[coral bison]

Hmmm look what DLSS 4 can do

It's better than native

It adds detail via AI or something

[short spruce]

Ive seen, I dont feel like Im missing out

[coral bison]

But it's not for everyone ofc

[coral bison]

Hmmm alr

[short spruce]

I already prefer dlss/fsr quality over native in most cases anyway

[coral bison]

It's just most games still use old FSR and some can't be upgraded via drivers

[coral bison]

I prefer DLAA but it gives me CRAZY ghosting

Native all the way

[short spruce]

That can boil down to specific games in many cases

[coral bison]

DLSS and FSR is witchery made to allow phantom graphics progress in the current hardware stagnation

[short spruce]

I’ve thought of everything we’ve talked about so far before buying

[coral bison]

Pro

[coral bison]

Welp I play in 1080p so DLSS quality does look meh

Though in cyberpunk I get 2x the frames so I use it

[short spruce]

I play 1440 on a 32 inch screen

[coral bison]

My monitor is actually 720p lol

But I use 1080p in games because it improves antialiasing

[short spruce]

Not tryna be that guy but you said “Id never buy amd” and listed RT as a reason while running a 720P monitor😭

[coral bison]

And?

What's the issue?

I love RT

[short spruce]

I think you have an elephant to address before GPU brand

[coral bison]

I can't get a big enough 1080p monitor unless it's a TV

So I need 1440p and then I need a 5090 to use RT

[short spruce]

Not an issue, but thats like someone with a camry saying they’d never buy a corvette becuase of reliability

[coral bison]

I think we just have different priorities

[short spruce]

But if it makes you happy I wont judge

[coral bison]

Hmmm

Good

Anyways I'm planning to get a 5070 Ti PC next

I would love a 1080p 32' but that doesn't really exist so ig 1440p with downscale it is

Gonna look even worse than my 720p lol

That's the issue

[short spruce]

I dont not recommend 1080p 32

[coral bison]

Upscaling works but downscaling doesn't

[coral bison]

I have a 720p 32' lol

So shush

[short spruce]

oof

[coral bison]

Yeah I can see the pixels from 2m away

[short spruce]

Im not very sensitive to displays but I struggle to read on a 1080p 32

[coral bison]

I hella struggle to read on a matte screen

And that's an issue

All monitors are matte now

[short spruce]

For a desktop I like matte, for a laptop gloss is a requirement tho

[coral bison]

Lol shouldn't it be vice versa?

[short spruce]

I let lots of natural light in my room, and I do photo editing on my laptop

[coral bison]

But anyways I have astigmated vision and reading on matte is basically reading white text on white background

And matte makes quality worse

[short spruce]

Understandable

[coral bison]

Meaningless unless you have issues with sun flare

Which I don't

Lol I feel like I'll need to resort to unknown brands to get a kind of monitor I want

Or I'll just get a TV for 2x the price

[short spruce]

There are plenty of gloss oleds lol

[coral bison]

Built in speakers too

[coral bison]

HELL NO. OLED here is like 1k+

Also burn in

And excessive contrast

I don't really need the 0.2ms less latency

My current setup prolly has like 150-200ms anyways

[short spruce]

I never use built in speakers, im a middle class audiophile. Not a book shelf speaker nerd, but not using $30 speakers.

[coral bison]

I have spine issues so wearing headphones hurts

[short spruce]

Middle class not as in money or anything but commitment

[short spruce]

I prefer speakers

I have a Logitech X540 system, its awesome

[coral bison]

Lol here it shows 0 results even in the all shops listing thing

So not available

I can tell you some alternatives I have ig?

[short spruce]

Its an older system I believe. An example of old but gold. Was like $500 new and I got it for $60 lol.

[coral bison]

Oh so used?

[short spruce]

Very lightly used yes

[coral bison]

W

60 is hella expensive for speakers in my opinion but to each their own

[short spruce]

Got it from my work, we recycle/refurbish stuff that gets tossed or comes from offices/schools that upgrade

It was way under my budget lol

[coral bison]

Uhh why did you have $500 speakers at work?

[short spruce]

I do audio stuff for my church

[coral bison]

Oooo

[short spruce]

Someone literally tossed them

[coral bison]

But still isn't it too expensive for such stuff? Like I don't think churches do audio very professionally

[coral bison]

🫡

[short spruce]

Some do, some dont. My church invests heavily. My dad does lots of their sound stuff. He has a masters in audio engineering.

[coral bison]

Hmmm interesting

[short spruce]

He’s slowly trickling his knowledge to me

[coral bison]

My church prolly isn't that invested

But again my country is way less rich

[coral bison]

NICE

[short spruce]

My churchs sound is better some concerts ive been too lol😭

[coral bison]

Concerts suck

[short spruce]

True that

[coral bison]

They are corporate machines and those obviously want max profit

[short spruce]

I wanna see dream theater before portnoy is too old tho, thats all I really care for in concerts

[coral bison]

Uhh idk what that olde english speak is

I'm no philologist

And I've never been to a proper concert I think

Maybe when I was like 3?

Idk

And I don't want to. People who go to concerts kinda look low IQ to me

Ngl

Anyways my 3050 is getting 60+ FPS in cyberpunk and like 40 in GTA 5 with RT lol

But at least without RT the enhanced version gave me +10 fps smh

[short spruce]

Each time Ive been i went for free

[coral bison]

Welp I just meant I don't like that stuff and that's how it feels to me

I think all kinds of people go to concerts

Everyone normal does at least

Normal as in mentally healthy

Or even not tbh

Only biggest introverts and covid paranoids don't

Man I gotta improve my communication skills ngl

But fr this is very offtopic

If a mod sees this, I'm sowwy pwease forgive 👉 👈

[royal zealot]

FSR4 is based on Machine Learning (Ai but in written in a more technical and fancy way)

[royal zealot]

Why 1440p downscale
a 5070 Ti is a considered as a complete 1440p card

[coral bison]

Idk if it can run wukong with RT even in 1080p lol

Or cyberpunk with path tracing

And why not just have more FPS tbh?

I can feel a difference between 60 and 90 for example

[royal zealot]

Bruh
Ofcourse it will
Watch hardware unboxed review

[coral bison]

I watched a lot of reviews

Maybe I forgot already

Btw I'm talking no DLSS

[royal zealot]

I consider 80+ as smooth
60 feels laggy
but in Android, 60 feels smoother than 100 FPS lol
Idk why

[coral bison]

I'm sure DLSS quality gives at least 50% more

[coral bison]

Are you confusing it with iOS? 60 FPS on Android feels TERRIBLE (except if it's on a Huawei device) in terms of UI

[royal zealot]

not necessarily android
Just smartphones

[coral bison]

Hmmm

Welp smaller screen

Same deal on Steam Deck

I can play games on my phone at 25 FPS

And on PC I need at least 80

[royal zealot]

I used to play MCPE at <40 FPS for over a year 💀

[coral bison]

I think it's fine tbh

[royal zealot]

MCPE is terribly optimised
there's random frame drops for no reason
It doesn't matter how good your phone is

[coral bison]

I have a good phone now which can run games at 120 hz but I still consider 25-30 fine for phone

[coral bison]

It ran quite well on a J1 Mini for me

Which has like 1 point in Geekbench lol

2016 super budget device

[graceful seal]

I mean FSR4 is looking great.

[vast spruce]

FSR4 looks better than DLSS4 in cases of small details

[pale crescent]

I’d actually expect FSR4 to surpass DLSS. Mainly because AMD have been doing it longer and in software, so once a hardware solution from AMD has came eventually you would expect the experienced company to do it better.

[royal zealot]

💀
What did you just say?

"Longer"?
AMD introduced FSR 1.0 years after DLSS 1

[pale crescent]

Just because they released it doesn’t mean they haven’t been doing it for longer… trust me.. they have…

[vast spruce]

AMD has certainly been doing a ton on the software side of things for a long time now, there's a reason why AMD drivers have been better than Nvidia lately