#Pc really underperforms, might be ram

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dusty palm
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whats ur ram specs?

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Is it set to D.O.C.P enabled?

teal swan
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A 3060 and 10700k presumably at 1080p? If so sounds about right for Fortnite with highest settings

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People with 4090s struggle to keep 350fps on Fortnite

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You’d have to use DLSS to even get close to that

teal swan
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What resolution are you playing?

warm finch
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single channel ram can effect performance yes

true falcon
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well good ram can be 50% faster then 3200 xmp in some games

teal swan
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Fortnite does load more on RAM than other games. Pretty sure UE5 games do in general

true falcon
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like my 4790k+gtx 970 gets 180fps with 85 1% lows

teal swan
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Heck the PS5 forces upscaling on Fortnite

true falcon
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but i seen cpus like 13400F get like 30 1% lows and every thing looked fine but fornigth lows

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if temps/clocks are fine on cpu/gpu only 2 things really affect perfomince in ways that can be hard to see is ram/OS/software like some games anti cheat can brajen thuibngs

empty hare
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@fathom gulch You only have one stick of RAM?

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And I wonder about where you got your perfromance data. I checked Cyberpunk and Fortnite, and I'm seeing 60-70 fps in Cyberpunk, 170-200 fps in Fortnite (Multiplayer)

warm finch
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No, it cant

true falcon
teal swan
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It scales on capacity. 1x32 v 2x16 is around a 5% difference. I’d imagine 1x16 compared to 2x8 is similar if not a few % different

true falcon
dusty palm
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what even ram ur using?

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even an picture of the ran woudl help

warm finch
# true falcon it can

Ram wony decrease game performance by 30% with the ram they have. If you have like ddr1 on a present day cpu, (which you cant) then sure. But no, even with terrible timeings, and slow speed, it's still ddr4 they are using, it won't be that bad. But yes it will hurt performance some.

true falcon
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depends on game in question and what ram/cpu in question

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its not 30% in every thing but it will be at least 30% in some

warm finch
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Ehhhhh duno about that one.

teal swan
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In games no. In work loads and applications that are ram sensitive - potentially. I’d go with 20% though

warm finch
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id also go with 10-20% based on the game, especially if you are maxing how much ram is even required. But given the cpu they are using, is also why I am saying what I am. If this was a super high end cpu, even a little dated, id say it was possible.

teal swan
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From reviews I found on ddr4 comparisons was around 5%. On ddr5 I found less than 5% on 32gb. Again though I guess you could get an isolated game that way.

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When testing on the few games I play, cs2, pubg, Minecraft. My own ddr5 32gb in single v dual channel was average 2% difference

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But my test is very limited 😀

warm finch
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Are you on ssd or hdd? What ram speed are they using (not just the overall speed, but their timeings. They cojld have it undervolted / overclocked)? What driver version? What else is oc'ed?

You can't go off one person's obscure tests and base it on your system. He also could have a massively better psu allowing him to make all components more stable.

He is also on lowest settings, with fsr on performance mode, and framegen.

I would muuuuuch rather have medium to high settings at 70-100fps native resolution.

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@fathom gulch

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Also, need to remember things like, how many apps or background tasks are you running? Bet you have discord up. Whereas this person does not. Also, if you are using any kind of overlays it will tank your fps. From nvidia app overlay, to discord overlay, to adrenaline overlay.

Also hdr can hurt performance a bit too.

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No, its not. And again, these are test benches. Not a single thing installed aside from the game.

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Once more, do you have frame generation on?

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@fathom gulch

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You don't want the latency issues they are having. With all the upscaling to reach this fps, it will feel atrocious while playing.

Don't believe me, ask literally anyone on this discord.

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200 fps is literally the average

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Fantastic. You have a low end gpu. Getting 200 fps in any game is great.

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So long as you have a proper power supply to power all your components properly. And you know your gpu is being used, and not the cpu for graphics, then your 3060 is doing what it should

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You can download msi afterburner and overclock it to squeeze performance out of it

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Your gpu should never be getting low usage

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Have you updated bios ever, or recently?

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You just said you get low usage. So which is it?

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You want your gpu utilization while gaming to be above 80%

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Game depending, it can change. Optimally you want it at 99-100%

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I and everyone else here, would highly recomend you to update bios.

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Improperly configured bios can crush performance, in a negative way

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Also make sure resizable bar is enabled

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In bios you enable this

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4g encoding > resizable bar

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Encoding decoding, can't remember what it's called exactly. It's different for each mobo

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Yeah, probably when the pc was originally built

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Don't forget to re-enable xmp, and turn on resizable bar

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The pc might restart several times. DONT TOUCH ABYTHING UNTIL IT BOOTS BACK INTO BIOS or main screen

worldly willow
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yea that's very normal if you're playing fortnite at low settings

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i've scaled down from a 6700 xt to a 2060, frames do not change and it's still underutilized

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as I told another guy i'm curious how much my 6500 xt will lose

teal swan
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Don’t trust those videos. They come out on release day and often these people don’t have the GPU. A lot of them on YouTube are falsified for monetary views

worldly willow
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?

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this was self testing

warm finch
teal swan
worldly willow
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those videos are old too

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before ue5 was implemented

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actually I guess two are from last year, idk but low gpu usage is not a problem in fortnite

warm finch
worldly willow
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depends on how someone is playing the game and they are playing at low, if they had maybe like a said a 6500 xt/1650 type gpu the usage might be a bit high even at low settings but even with me trying with a 2060 usage still was maybe around 50 playing at performance mode

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all they have to do is crank the graphics up if they want to up the gpu usage, but see then that may lead them to not getting the performance they want or maybe they just need a better cpu if they want to play 240hz on average at low settings

warm finch
worldly willow
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eh

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do you only have 1 stick of ram ?

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I see a convo earlier about that

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oh that's most likely why then

teal swan
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Due to its popularity updates are poorly coded and more taxing on the system now. Blue zone fucks up even 4090s for low and cuts like 50fps the longer the game goes on

warm finch
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-_-

worldly willow
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kek

teal swan
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What’s your gpu and ingame settings? Normally when ram does that it’s offsetting vram to dram

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I mean it could be totally something else but I have seen that before

empty hare
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These videos are solo or private games with less players. If you look at the middle one, once he gets into combat at the end: https://youtu.be/bQn9BsqVtg8?t=376

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Fluctuating between 170 and 250 fps.

warm finch
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Yeah massive difference. Also, he's using performance dlss, on lowest settings... oof

worldly willow
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it's not

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not sure how that idea even came up, at least if context was read

empty hare
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Agree, the GPU does not offload to RAM.

warm finch
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He is using dlss

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The fact you are arguing with people here with 10 + years experience ... each, I myself with 20, is blowing my mind.

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Dx12 is not required for dlss, where did you hear that?

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Jesus guy. You can enable performance mode for any game inside the app or control panel

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And I still play fortnite on occasion if I'm really bored. This is literally my area of expertise.

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Anyone who has any modicum of knowledge can tell you they are running dlss performance mode.

raw flint
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100% ram issue

woeful herald
worldly willow
woeful herald
worldly willow
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they haven't got the ram yet

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they've been going around it

woeful herald
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ffs

woeful herald
teal swan
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DLSS works with performance mode

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Kind of pointless that one

warm finch
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literally throwing mud on the wall and seeing how much sticks at this point

teal swan
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I don’t actually think there is a problem with hardware

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Only a problem with the users expectations

true falcon
true falcon
teal swan
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7% difference at 300fps?

true falcon
teal swan
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I wouldn’t be too fussed about that

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Oh yeah that’s a problem

true falcon
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and they had 35fps 1% lows

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and its like WTF HOW your pc is like 10 year newer and getting worse lows even when my pc is bone stock

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so some times new parts have problems in some cases and just runs slower

worldly willow
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what

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we're just saying get another stick of ram for dual channel. I do office work on a 11 year old system with 8gb of ram.

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but tbf office work is a bit of a generalized term

raw flint
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i’d just get 2 new sticks of actual GOOD ram because ram is so bloody cheap lol… anyways, after chucking in good ram and making sure it’s dual channel, he’ll see a great increase in fps and 1% lows

warm finch
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Just buy this and call it a day, $50

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Or something equivalent based off prefered brand

raw flint
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3600mhz wouldn’t cost too much more. still very cheap

teal swan
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You want atleast 16gb

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Don’t buy an 8gb stick. By a 16gb or 32gb kit

true falcon
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i dont recmoned

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asymmetric ram configs can be sub par with perfomince and dont expect more then jedec for mixing

teal swan
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I think it’s already been said. Just replace your RAM with a kit. Otherwise don’t bother doing anything and live with your performance as it is

warm finch
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Bottlenecks aren't a thing, especially trying to figure out 5-10%. Only sites that tell you that are bottleneck calculator which are all bullshit. You can bottleneck a system, sure, but its the game engine, program etc etc that is either under optimized, or something else. Unless you have a super old cpu with a high end modern gpu. 1080p can be bottlenecked a bit, but again, refer to the above comment. Anything above 2k and up will then become gpu bound.

Just buy the ram i recomended. Or similar. Stop trying to nickel and dime over $15. If that money matters so much, you shouldn't be upgrading at all.

You also don't want to buy one 8 gig stick and keep the 8 gig stick you currently have. You want the exact .... same....kit when you buy ram to avoid issues.

raw flint
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Oh my god dude you’re being really cheap… Just sell your ram, and get yourself a ddr4 16gb x2 3600mhx cla16 ram kit. Done, you won’t have anymore problems. No more headaches and no more posts about your PC underperforming.. Stop taking shortcuts and looking for another way out

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And it has to be the same ram, so buy it as a pair! can’t have one corsair stick, then a PNY stick for example. and we’re not saying this just for aesthetic purposes.. it’s not good for the ram at all

woeful herald
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Why are we still here? OP left ffs

warm finch