New PC: what do I get?

[red sentinel]

My old PC an Intel core i5 4460 and a GTX 1050 TI. It can’t even run Fortnite.😤 I I’m going to turn it into a server and use a new PC, although I don’t know what exactly what to get. Also, I need to upgrade my old, soon going to be server PC, my brother‘s PC and my dad‘s PC all under $1000 USA 🇺🇸. I converted the format of the document for everyone to use.

[timber cargo]

It is difficult to upgrade old builds

Old cpu platforms leave limited options for improvement on the table honestly

[red sentinel]

I know, but I’m willing to do whatever it takes to improve my system

[timber cargo]

Its more of a money problem

I'm sure theres upgrades you can make to each of these with 1k

I dunno if its gonna be worth trying to split that money across multiple machines thi

[red sentinel]

I’m gonna try

[marsh shale]

yours:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dNgYpB
https://www.ebay.com/itm/235709996613
dad's can probably wait a while, but here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yLFwMV
https://www.ebay.com/itm/267024672703
i can't do anything about your brother, i have no clue what he's running rn

[red sentinel]

He is upgrading from the GTX 1660 super I am getting, to the RTX 3070. He also has a i7 9700 Also I prefer new on Amazon

[marsh shale]

you're not gonna be able to split everything between them while buying new.

[red sentinel]

All new of course the fourth GEN processor is gonna be bought used on Amazon

[red sentinel]

I just want to know if everything was correct on my image

[marsh shale]

you aren't gonna have enough money buying everything new.

that's what i'm trying to say.

[red sentinel]

I don’t care if I go over my budget as long as I get it to work

[marsh shale]

why aren't you ok with used?

it's not as much as a landmine as people make it out to be

hell half of my system is used and it works perfectly

the only problem i've had myself was with a new part lmao

[red sentinel]

My dad is paying for it. I can’t convince him otherwise that used is OK.

[marsh shale]

have you tried at all or no

[red sentinel]

Cause sometimes it ends up broken

[marsh shale]

...if you don't pay attention to the listing

[red sentinel]

Or maybe it’s been sitting there since the crypto mining boom

[red sentinel]

I don’t

[marsh shale]

then pay attention to the listings

you're gonna get good for cheap if you look used

[red sentinel]

I put ? on the ones I was unsure about on the main image

And I put * for the reasons why

[red sentinel]

@marsh shale

[red sentinel]

^^

[red sentinel]

That is not correct I don’t have that GPU and I want as cheap as possible

[red sentinel]

Also, why do you like G skill and WD so much

[red sentinel]

I like teamgroup because the prices are low, but good

@tribal yew

@tribal yew

[tribal yew]

you reusing anything from your system?

[red sentinel]

Not upgrading that much.

[red sentinel]

Here’s a PDF

[tribal yew]

it doesn't state if you're reusing anything from either your own build nor dads build

[red sentinel]

Yes, everything except for these parts

[tribal yew]

so you have the 1660 then ?

[red sentinel]

I forgot the list but my dad has an 8100 CPU and integrated graphics

[red sentinel]

In my brother’s PC right now, but it’s gonna change once my uncle gives me his 3070

[tribal yew]

so your bro gets to keep the 1660 and you get the 3070?

[red sentinel]

IDK how to convince him to upgrade to a 4070 TI super at 50 series launch but he’s worried about his AC bill

[red sentinel]

No

[red sentinel]

I thought his CPU was better

[red sentinel]

He needs a better CPU for gaming

@tribal yew should I get a 3600 or 5500 then? Because I don’t need as much.

[red sentinel]

Was going to give him the 3070 and I was gonna get the 1660 super

[tribal yew]

ok, well get a 5600x for both him and yourself as it's currently cheaper than a 5600

and no, never get a 5500

it's quite literally a weaker r5 3600

[red sentinel]

No, not for both of us

[red sentinel]

Don’t need to change his motherboard unless it doesn’t work which the 3rd RAM doesn’t because of a broken pin in the corner (but Micro Center said it was fine)

[tribal yew]

to get an r5 3600, you will need either a b450 or b550 mobo, and you can only get an r5 3600 secondhand, there is no new stock of it

[red sentinel]

Oh, OK

[tribal yew]

which tbh, if you can only get new for the cpu, makes an r5 3600 out of the question

[red sentinel]

5600 X for me

[red sentinel]

Well, my dad doesn’t trust old stuff and won’t buy it unless it’s a really low price

[red sentinel]

Like a fourth gen CPU thats for my rog

[tribal yew]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KLGBQP

[red sentinel]

But I want those exact SSD and RAM and motherboard, @tribal yew

[red sentinel]

I don’t use ethernet

[tribal yew]

overpaying on ram and mobo

and the mobo i selected is actually better, it also comes with wifi

[red sentinel]

Really that’s what the other guy told me to do

[red sentinel]

Cool!

[red sentinel]

But I’m not looking to get this now and the other one is full stock

[red sentinel]

I’m looking to get this for the winter holidays

[red sentinel]

Maybe Black Friday cyber Monday sale

[tribal yew]

i wouldn't bother with a sata ssd if you don't have one already, use the m.2 slots first, and the sn580 is ideal as a boot drive for your OS, allowing for the 2tb m.2 to be used for games/storage/whatever

[tribal yew]

false deals 90% of the time

[red sentinel]

What do you mean?

[red sentinel]

I like that idea so I don’t have to use my windows drive as the same one

[tribal yew]

prices be raised a week before things like black friday/cyber monday/prime day

[tribal yew]

it also means if your os crashes for any reason, you don't have to re-install everything

[red sentinel]

That happened last time when my ROG PC’s hard drive died

[red sentinel]

Does silicon power have AMD expo

[tribal yew]

xmp* and yes

expo is for ddr5 not ddr4

[red sentinel]

What has the better CPU right now?

[tribal yew]

between mine and spooky's build it's the same cpu

[red sentinel]

I don’t want them to have a bottleneck

[red sentinel]

I want them to be GPU intensive

[red sentinel]

If I had to, I might get 12 Intel

[tribal yew]

you want the cpu to be always more stronger than the gpu, but also the bottleneck to any pc is the user

and tbh, the 1660 is better for your bro due to the cpu they're using

[red sentinel]

I’m gonna be gaming tho

[tribal yew]

and?

the 5600x will make better use of the 3070 than a 9700 will

[red sentinel]

Oh

[red sentinel]

Then I’ll swap PCs with him

[tribal yew]

why not build 2 identical 5600x builds instead?

and have your dad use the 9700 system while getting him a gpu to go with it and selling off the hp pavillion

the only thing's you'd keep and swap around would be the ssd/hdd's from each system

[red sentinel]

Because my dad still has to upgrade he’s out of storage and ram

[red sentinel]

I can’t my dad’s hard drive is full

[red sentinel]

Maybe I could give the old HP PC to my grandpa his PC is 15 years old 💀

@tribal yew

[tribal yew]

all up to you

[red sentinel]

I don’t wanna spend double

[tribal yew]

1k limit with possible overspend you said

[red sentinel]

Total for all three combined

[tribal yew]

you can claim back money reselling an 8th gen system via ebay/jawa

[red sentinel]

Or by selling my fourth GEN intel old pc system

[red sentinel]

Cause I was going to use one for a Minecraft server

[tribal yew]

i would use it to build 2 systems, and use ssd/hdd's from the systems you got to save some money there and then from that set your dad up with the 9700 build, sell on the 8th gen

the 4th gen is more than enough to be set up for a small minecraft server

4th gen system isn't worth more than $50 for resale use

[red sentinel]

And you don’t like the teamgroup ram I wanna have a SATA SSD

[tribal yew]

an 8th gen system you can sell for $100-150

[red sentinel]

It’s basically in mint condition except for some floor dust

[tribal yew]

still, this is all an 8th gen system is worth

[red sentinel]

Then I’m not selling and keeping it for my dad

[tribal yew]

the 9th gen system would be better tbh

[red sentinel]

Me and my brother game in Fortnite and Java Minecraft

[tribal yew]

both of which are pretty much cpu bound

especially as minecraft only uses 1-2 cores on it's own

[red sentinel]

Really?!

[tribal yew]

yeah, some games can be more cpu bound and some can be more gpu bound

[red sentinel]

Cool to know!

Do I even have two M.2 slots? Also, I was asking for SATA cause it’s cheaper for more money.

[tribal yew]

on a b550, pretty much most of them have 2x m.2 slots

one under a heatsink near the cpu, and one open to see at the bottom

[red sentinel]

Can I still get a SATA if I wanted?

[tribal yew]

you can do yes

[red sentinel]

Can you give me a new PC part picker list of the updated parts?

[red sentinel]

One for each

[tribal yew]

but i'd only do that once all m.2 drives are filled up

[red sentinel]

But doesn’t that go through a SATA port?

[tribal yew]

nope

[red sentinel]

SATA 2.5 inches does not go through NVME M.2 port 😤

[red sentinel]

I’m not gonna do that

[tribal yew]

with the mobo i selected you get to use all 4 sata ports alongside both m.2 slots

[red sentinel]

Ok

What PCIe GEN3 m.2 nvme SSD should I get?

[tribal yew]

the cheapest as long as it's not a qlc nand drive, and tbh there's cheap gen4 drives that makes going gen3 not worth it

[red sentinel]

What about GEN 3 for the hp. (which I’m keeping)

[tribal yew]

you can use a gen 4 in it, it'll just drop down to gen 3 speeds

[red sentinel]

What’s better for the price for hp?

[tribal yew]

what capacity size did you want for it?

[red sentinel]

1 tb for my dad and then my brother will give him his 4 TB hard drive (that he already has) as an upgrade

[tribal yew]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xy3NnQ/ cheapest good tlc drive

[red sentinel]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-Internal-Compatible-Desktop-TM8FP6002T0C101/dp/B08CDM2HSS

[tribal yew]

that's a 2tb drive

[red sentinel]

Oh

[red sentinel]

For my PC or for my dad’s

[tribal yew]

well you said 1tb for your dad, so

[red sentinel]

How about 1tb for both? Not playing cyberpunk or anything that scale.

[tribal yew]

this'll do it, even an mp33m though i'd go more for an mp44l in comparison

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2x4Ycf/

[red sentinel]

Would a i5 4790 or 4770 be able to work without a heatsink cause that’s what I want to upgrade on my ROG

[tribal yew]

get a cooler for it

[red sentinel]

Incompatible with the old case

[red sentinel]

Look up the model for proof there’s no spacing

Probably will need a LTT thermal pad

[red sentinel]

@tribal yew Do I need one?

[tribal yew]

nope, you could get a low profile cooler that'll fit it and it'll come with paste for it

[red sentinel]

Like I said that doesn’t even fit

[red sentinel]

Does it?

[tribal yew]

if you know what the layout is like, yes it will fit

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xm22FT/ designed for lga1150 sockets

the 4790 = lga1150

[red sentinel]

I prefer ID cooling

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-40-XT-Black-Direct-Contact-92×92×15mm/dp/B0CY274JWV

[red sentinel]

You’re underestimating the highest and end of socket fourth GEN CPU

[red sentinel]

Does this work?

[red sentinel]

Thank you!

[tribal yew]

be wise to change the psu and mobo to the ones i suggested in the build i shown

[red sentinel]

Why? Won’t the prices go off sale soon

[tribal yew]

the mobo less likely, the psu on occassions, and there's a quality difference between the gx2 and an rm650

[red sentinel]

Yeah, I heard the GX2 is better

[tribal yew]

nope

gx2 is tier C speculative, where as the RM650 is tier A

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[red sentinel]

I like cooler master I heard corsair has bad ram software

[red sentinel]

Oh

[red sentinel]

Ok now I know

[red sentinel]

Why do you want me to get that motherboard again?

[tribal yew]

cooler master has some good psu's and yeah icue is a pain but that doesn't do anything with their psu's

and the msi mobo is a better mobo over the asus prime

[red sentinel]

I like ASUS tho

[red sentinel]

OK but it says it has an older bios version that is not compatible with my CPU

[red sentinel]

Why do I need the SP ram again?

[tribal yew]

igmore that general warning, any new b550 will have an up to date bios that will work with the cpu

as for the sp ram, it's the cheapest to run and works straight out the box

you only ever have to enable xmp in the bios for it to run at it's speed

[red sentinel]

I was gonna get 3600 ram

[tribal yew]

no need

3600 cl18 ram runs the same as 3200 cl16, it doesn't actually offer any benefit over 3200mhz ram

[red sentinel]

Oh, also good to know

[marsh shale]

the specific 1660 doesn't matter, and as cheap as possible is gonna land you bad parts

[tribal yew]

sometimes but not always when it comes to cheap parts

[red sentinel]

1660 super

[marsh shale]

...most of the time

[marsh shale]

doesn't matter. it's free, that's all that counts

[red sentinel]

Don’t ever answered why you gave me WD and G-skill

[marsh shale]

quality parts

[red sentinel]

Teamgroup too

[marsh shale]

never had a good experience with them

[red sentinel]

Really?!

[marsh shale]

yh

[red sentinel]

So what motherboard again? @tribal yew @marsh shale you both have a different opinion on this and I know nothing

[marsh shale]

tbh it doesnt really matter

[red sentinel]

I need one with Wi-Fi though

[marsh shale]

i meant between the two

both have wifi

[tribal yew]

between the prime and vdh, quality wise the vdh is the better board

[red sentinel]

I’ll go MSI it has more USB A ports

[red sentinel]

Even though I have DVI cables here

Wait, don’t I have to get a monitor? I’m going to use the monitor for my 1660s & 9700 pc not the new PC that I’m building

[marsh shale]

if you already have a monitor it doesn't matter

[red sentinel]

I don’t have one old one is broken

[red sentinel]

@tribal yew @marsh shale This work? https://www.amazon.com/Pixio-PXC243S-Supported-FreeSync-Esports/dp/B0BJ13N7LC
This isn’t the one that’s bad from an angle is it?

[red sentinel]

Does it have adaptive sync?

I was planning to get that one anyway.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=monitor+24+inch

[red sentinel]

Monitor budget is 125

[tribal yew]

monitors aren't my thing tbh