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tame shadow
undone yew
For just a few more dollars you don't need memory that runs over 6, 000 megahertz and I squeezed in a 7800 XT
upbeat cairn
if possible i'd recommend going for either an atx (rather than micro-atx) case, or a micro-atx case that moves the power supply to the front or top so that the gpu can breathe
undone yew
FairPoint I'll have it fixed right away
There's one with an ATX case very similar teir very similar price
native swift
As rock is bad brand to buy motherboard from. Buy Asus or Gigabyte
fickle root
As rock is bad brand to buy motherboard from. Buy Asus or Gigabyte
Simply untrue
Is it ideal? No... but suggesting asus as a brand... is the dumbest thing you could possibly say
native swift
Asus releases bios updates for longest time and properly adopts all features
5 years into the future your windows will run smoothly
Asrock releases 1 or 2 bios update in 2 years
fickle root
Asus releases bios updates for longest time and properly adopts all features
Unless the bios update fries your cpu :))
native swift
I have 50 pcs mining and do bios updates all the time. Never happens
fickle root
regardless if you'd like to recommend a list go ahead.
native swift
Just switch to different brands and pick samsung ssd
restive path
As rock is bad brand to buy motherboard from. Buy Asus or Gigabyte
You are really recommending Asus??
Asrock's AM5 motherboards cook everyone
fickle root
Just switch to different brands and pick samsung ssd
...
native swift
You guys must be trolling im outta here. Asus is a top tier motherboard manufacturer
restive path
restive path
You guys must be trolling im outta here. Asus is a top tier motherboard manufact...
🤣 🤣
upbeat cairn
You guys must be trolling im outta here. Asus is a top tier motherboard manufact...
asus was a top tier motherboard manufacturer
always buy the product, never the brand
companies change. good companies make bad products. bad companies make good products. everyone fucks up.
native swift
asus was a top tier motherboard manufacturer
yeah amd was the hero yesterday. today is the joker
upbeat cairn
pretty terrible
i'd take the power supply and monitor from this list
upbeat cairn
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/syxvXk
and the case from this one
everything else about them's the same
native swift
intel's the real joker at the moment 🔥
i wont be suprised if intel ceases to exist at this point. their stock took another nosedive
native swift
if snapdragon jumped into the cpu. so will broadcom and others. taking what little marketshare intel has
upbeat cairn
they're certainly not in easy times but they'll ride it out just fine until arrow lake comes out and that shouldn't have the same stability problems
upbeat cairn
if snapdragon jumped into the cpu. so will broadcom and others. taking what litt...
bro snapdragon's market share in miniscule
it's less than 1%
also microsoft has exclusivity deals with qualcomm so broadcomm and mediatek (the one's i'd really be looking out for) can't sell chips for windows devices at the moment, but even when that expires the cost to businesses for migrating to a completely new isa will be way too much for them to gain much traction
as for "what little marketshare intel has", despite the inroads amd's made they do still hold the majority in desktop marketshare by a pretty comfortable amount
native swift
i just don't like intel for backdooring every cpu on the market. intel me is scary stuff
amd has one too but it's nothing like intel and can be disabled
upbeat cairn
don't kid yourself, companies do anything for a paycheck
that said i wouldn't be so certain about amd, they have a history of making big blunders and somehow not going bankrupt
native swift
the reality is more political than we think. taiwan is dependent on usa and does anything usa says
but this is entirely separate matter flying out
upbeat cairn
geopolitics doesn't play into the short term situation much
the only thing that really affects is tsmc, and i don't see that being relevant any time soon
anyway this is very certainly not the place to discuss this
native swift
in the future i think gpus will become way more powerful to the point a cpu is no longer needed
upbeat cairn
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that's not how that works
restive path
in the future i think gpus will become way more powerful to the point a cpu is n...
That's not how it works
upbeat cairn
that's like saying vacuum cleaners will become so good that you won't need to own a washing machine
completely different deal
native swift
i know how cpu and gpus work. i meant they will add ai chip or arm. as a helper
upbeat cairn
or that couches will become so comfortable that toasters won't need to exist
restive path
if snapdragon jumped into the cpu. so will broadcom and others. taking what litt...
You mean Qualcom?
upbeat cairn
when people say snapdragon they usually mean qualcomm
restive path
i know how cpu and gpus work. i meant they will add ai chip or arm. as a helper
What??
native swift
you dont have a phone?
upbeat cairn
i have a phone and it has a cpu
restive path
you dont have a phone?
Snapdragon and Qualcomm are the same
Snapdragon is the marketing name
upbeat cairn
i have a phone and it has a cpu
more accurately it has an soc with a cpu, gpu, northbridge, southbridge and ram integrated in a die
native swift
x86 and arm works very differently
restive path
Like Ryzen is to AMD
restive path
x86 and arm works very differently
What is the point you are trying to make?
upbeat cairn
they are more the same than sony and sony are the same but i shouldn't get into that
upbeat cairn
x86 and arm works very differently
they're different isas but at heart they're still the same sort of structure
native swift
i meant shipping entire cpu intel cpu is 1970 style. we can add 3 instructions to the gpu and work the same way
restive path
Also the X Elite did very poorly
restive path
i meant shipping entire cpu intel cpu is 1970 style. we can add 3 instructions t...
You mean an APU?
upbeat cairn
they're different isas but at heart they're still the same sort of structure
you still have a cpu, you still have a gpu, ram, northbridge, southbridge etc it's just that qualcomm (and apple, and with lunar lake also intel) tend to package them as one product
upbeat cairn
i meant shipping entire cpu intel cpu is 1970 style. we can add 3 instructions t...
the only thing remotely related to what you're on about is xeon phi and that really did not work out
(that i can think of)
native swift
it's not here yet but if pcie 6 decides they can probably add support for the gpu card to also have a cpu chip
upbeat cairn
the standard's already finalised and that's also not how pcie works
unless you mean like a cpu on an expansion card, in which case that's basically what xeon phi is, and also slot pentiums were a thing where the cpu in pentium 2 days came on a daughterboard that went in a slot similar to how gpus do, but slots couldn't provide enough bandwidth and power so they went back to sockets after that
also if they were to put the cpu chip on a graphics card then it's not a graphics card anymore, it's an entire computer and congrats, you've just invented a server rack
native swift
I was talking about concepts what is possible and not actual real world examples lo
restive path
if snapdragon jumped into the cpu. so will broadcom and others. taking what litt...
And what do you imply here? Snapdragon and Qualcomm are the same
restive path
i just don't like intel for backdooring every cpu on the market. intel me is sca...
If you mean the intel ME engine, AMD has a similar thing
restive path
i meant shipping entire cpu intel cpu is 1970 style. we can add 3 instructions t...
So a GPU with a CPU on the same board... Aka a computer
native swift
Yes but in the future instead of a motherboard people buying cpu parts psu everything. In the future it would be simple as just a psu ssd and gpu no cpu. That was my original implication. I actually don't mind if the topic gets changed or something else continue talking. It was just something i randomly thrw out
restive path
Yes but in the future instead of a motherboard people buying cpu parts psu every...
So a GPU with a CPU
That's just a computer with extra steps
Like a laptop motherboard
native swift
If there's no performance decrease who cares. Gpu's already come with 3 fans.
Lower price for the consumer
Hu
native swift
As rock is bad brand to buy motherboard from. Buy Asus or Gigabyte
Absolutely dogshit of a statement, asrock makes better boards than asus and gigabyte lmao
native swift
Absolutely dogshit of a statement, asrock makes better boards than asus and giga...
miss me with that 2 year software support
restive gyro
As rock is bad brand to buy motherboard from. Buy Asus or Gigabyte
Asrock offers great value
restive path
If there's no performance decrease who cares. Gpu's already come with 3 fans.
Your idea is not new
native swift
Your idea is not new
Dont care just see massive potential in arm cpus 86 64 is thing of the 1920
restive path
Dont care just see massive potential in arm cpus 86 64 is thing of the 1920
This thing is not new
And preety impractical
native swift
And preety impractical
Im pretty sure the functions arm cpus miss that 86 have can be filled by the gpu
restive path
Im pretty sure the functions arm cpus miss that 86 have can be filled by the gpu
??
Reframe that please
native swift
Gpus are good at generating random numbers
restive path
You really don't know what you are talking about do you?
restive path
Gpus are good at generating random numbers
No.
GPUs are good at doing a shit ton of maths
native swift
No.
Yeah but the cpu infrastructure has evolved long enough. This is the next logical step in the pc development
native swift
GPUs are good at doing a shit ton of maths
We have been seeing the exact same thing for 30 years now
restive path
Yeah but the cpu infrastructure has evolved long enough. This is the next logica...
No it's not
It's just CPU plus GPU with extra, unnecessary steps
How tf do you think will you able to fit a whole ass GPU and motherboard on the same board?
And a do it all CPU will just be an APU with an CPU part plus GPU part like the PS5
native swift
How tf do you think will you able to fit a whole ass GPU and motherboard on the ...
i actually see it in the future we buy a station bord you plug the gpu in there maybe ssds and nothing else
same size motherboard as phones have
restive path
i actually see it in the future we buy a station bord you plug the gpu in there ...
Bother, that's what we do now, it's called a motherboard
restive path
same size motherboard as phones have
......
How tf will you fit the ports
VRMs
Socket
IO
PCIE slots
Ram slots
The chip set
native swift
......
how do you plug new psu cables on modern psus. there will be just slots. and extensions. You can design your own motherboard. cable with pcie 5. if upgraded is needed change it etc. the same thing gpu miners use.
upbeat cairn
i actually see it in the future we buy a station bord you plug the gpu in there ...
bro you're describing a mini pc
or an apple silicon mac studio
upbeat cairn
miss me with that 2 year software support
i beg to differ
asrock b450m steel legend
last firmware update: 11th of july this year
asrock b450i fatality: 31 jan this year
asrock b450m hdv: 25th jan this year
asrock b450m ac: 31 jan this year
these are all ~5 year old boards