jolly dove
I accidentally hit my computer a few minutes ago and it hung. I blamed it on the ram, idk. so I rebooted the thing and now it's power cycling? like, the light turns on and fan spins for like 1 second, then turns off again. I unplugged the thing after this happened thrice to not cause any further harm.
jolly dove
tbh I'm too scared to plug the thing back in
kindred kestrel
pleas use protection
ok i will do the helping, what parts are in the pc and how hard did you hit the pc.
can you send a pic of the pc
bold igloo
unplug and re plug cables, same with the gpu and ram
jolly dove
pleas use protection
what
jolly dove
ok i will do the helping, what parts are in the pc and how hard did you hit the ...
it's some prebuilt acer from like 2019 I believe. I added corsair ram and an extra drive. I should be able to send a pic in a few mins, albeit the system is quite dusty. I hit the computer on the back side of the motherboard, or rather, on the case there. so opposite of where u open it
jolly dove
unplug and re plug cables, same with the gpu and ram
I've had ram issues before (a stick was faulty), and it beeped instead of rebooting like a sec after turning on (not post -- a second after the power led lights up!)
kindred kestrel
it might be loose ram
so take out the ram and make sure to press down on the clips then replug it into the slot and make sure you push on both ends of the ram and hear the click or see the sides of the ram slot fit proporly or just send a pic of it
jolly dove
tbh, I should mention that my setup is far from perfect. it's q pretty small case but I wanted to extend it with two drives (they're both hdds, I used to use them before 
) so I broke the forbidden rule and put one vertically and the other one diagonally. as I said, I'll get back to the system in like 2 mins and then send a pic
bold igloo
I've had ram issues before (a stick was faulty), and it beeped instead of reboot...
ok well it will still help to do as i suggested, as well as making sure you didn’t bend the back panel. it’s possible that you did and it could be short circuiting on the back
jolly dove
what's the worst than can happen if it short circuits
okay. so
this is a pretty jank setup, I do have to admit. I was planning to get a new machine either way in the upcoming weeks, by which I will hopefully have solved the drive issue. this case just doesn't have enough room and I don't have any longer cables rn. lemme try remounting the ram rq. I have never actually remounted the gpu, so I might have to follow a guide for that
lemme see if I can get a pic with both drives (yes. there's another. it's even weirder positioned)
bold igloo
what's the worst than can happen if it short circuits
i mean thats why it boot loops most of the time, to stop damage from happening
kindred kestrel
btw for most mobos the ram sticks look like they are in the wrong slots
jolly dove
wdym? aren't they supposed to be in the same ones color coded
bold igloo
btw for most mobos the ram sticks look like they are in the wrong slots
OEM boards can be weird. it all depends on the manual
bold igloo
wdym? aren't they supposed to be in the same ones color coded
yeah in a1 and b1 or a2 and b2... it should be fine
did you happen to check to see if the back was bent? and replug cables?
jolly dove
did you happen to check to see if the back was bent? and replug cables?
oh wait u mean the back case? like, from the outside?
kindred kestrel
but try and move the ram sticks over 1 slot
bold igloo
wherever you hit it, yeah. like i said, it could be in contact with the motherboard and that may be the cause
bold igloo
what cables specifically?
any going into the motherboard, as a start. but also reseat the GPU and RAM
bold igloo
but try and move the ram sticks over 1 slot
i would not suggest doing this unless you have seen the manual from Acer themselves and it says those are the slots. like i said, its varies across manufacturer. especially with OEM prebuilt computers like this, being in a1 and b1 can be common
if you know the exact computer model, i can find out for you (if you are that concerned)
jolly dove
but try and move the ram sticks over 1 slot
I can't rly, this stupid cd drive they put in is blocking that slot and i can't remove it rly without removing the mb due to the way it's mounted to the casr
that is from the drive
idk what that is
but it is there
kindred kestrel
dam
just try and take it out and place it back in
i have seen improperly mounted ram sticks work but then when shipped fly around the case due to not beeing mounted corectly
jolly dove
if you know the exact computer model, i can find out for you (if you are that co...
I just checked the case cuz it got a sticker, apparently it's an acer nitro n50-600. I got an i5 build doe?? idfk, the website seems to list them with an i7
kindred kestrel
F
jolly dove
?
kindred kestrel
acer is one of the worst companies to exist when it comes to prebuilds, i searched in the official manual for the pc and their was 0 words about ram
jolly dove
lmao great
kindred kestrel
its so cheap and shit that the pc might have just committed die
jolly dove
bold igloo
thanks for that glimmer of hope bud.
kindred kestrel
no problem
i have had to deal with one of those before and i only have pure hate for it
bold igloo
quite honestly, if you really wanna hardcore test if the computer is working, build it like a test bench. find a small box to place the motherboard on, and take everything out and reassemble on the boc
do you get any diagnostic lights or beeping?
kindred kestrel
its a oem pc so its a yes
jolly dove
do you get any diagnostic lights or beeping?
no. only thing I get is a blinking power button and fan, both of which are caused by it rebooting the second it turns on 
no sound or led
kindred kestrel
then its a full on short
jolly dove
great
kindred kestrel
it can be something loose in the psu or if the hit dented the pc a part of the metal in the back of the pc touching somewhere it should not do that
jolly dove
do you get any diagnostic lights or beeping?
I mean in theory I can try again, I hadn't been paying attention to the inside. but I remember from ram failure that it beeped and can't see any leds or displays that could show anything
jolly dove
quite honestly, if you really wanna hardcore test if the computer is working, bu...
define small box
tbh
kindred kestrel
just send a vid of the issue
jolly dove
should I unplug the hdds before I try again? I pretty much store a few projects on there that aren't on any git remote yet, and the other drive is just games (which I could reinstall). the ssd this thing shipped with is just a plain fedora installation, I don't care too much abt that
kindred kestrel
ye why not
jolly dove
ok, gimme a min
bold igloo
define small box
uhhh... a box that you can put the motherboard on top of lol
jolly dove
what's with the connectors (or cables if any) that stick out of the back
bold igloo
what
jolly dove
ok, gimme a min
or maybe more like 5 mins, I gotta do sth rq
jolly dove
I can't rly, this stupid cd drive they put in is blocking that slot and i can't ...
no holy shit, I think it's actually welded to the case or sth like that
anyways, do I risk this thing even further if I power it on now
bold igloo
i would suggest not
bold igloo
i would take it out, test it on a box, try and see if you can bend or hammer the case away in that one " welded" spot
kindred kestrel
btw just upload it to yt then send the link
jolly dove
? can't I just send it on discor
oh god these screws suck ass
gimme a min
YES
I found one that fits
finally
(my ltt driver hasn't arrived yet-)
jolly dove
? can't I just send it on discor
wdym x
jolly dove
I doubt a quick showcase video will be more than 500
isn't the limit 500?
since the introduction of basic
jolly dove
rip
kindred kestrel
as i am good at not wasting money
i got a 7800X3D and a 7900 XTX with all good parts that i built myself or i can buy nitro
pro tip good pc is better then you know a bad gaming experience and other
jolly dove
wait holy shit I unscrewed these.. those are for the psu right, how the hell do I unmount the other side panel
and yes they did indeed mount the psu upside down
(and no I wasn't using the mobo hdmi port)
kindred kestrel
or did you place the pc the wrong way
kindred kestrel
nah most OEMs make so many computers that making the same part and using it for way too many computers is better
jolly dove
or did you place the pc the wrong way
wdym
jolly dove
uhhh... a box that you can put the motherboard on top of lol
wait like what kinda box? best I can offer is cardboard rly
bold igloo
wait like what kinda box? best I can offer is cardboard rly
thats fine too. just an antistatic surface
kindred kestrel
just put the mobo on anything that is not mettal
bold igloo
one that wont scratch anything
kindred kestrel
or plastic
jolly dove
yea I don't think I got a block of wood
bold igloo
do you get the point though?
jolly dove
in theory the desk next to mine is wood but it's painted(?) black
jolly dove
do you get the point though?
yea kinda
do I just place it on there or what? in theory I could screw it into the box but I doubt I have the fitting screws and the ones that came with the machine are like 1mm longer than they have to be to even fit
bold igloo
yeah just grab that cardboard you have and place it on top of that on your desk
bold igloo
then put in the RAM, the cables, at least the C drive, the PSU
bold igloo
do I place the mobo on there loosely
yessir thatll be fine as long as you dont move it around a ton
jolly dove
wait holy shit I unscrewed these.. those are for the psu right, how the hell do ...
oh god I take that back.. what the hell are those black thingies
seems like the psu is also screwed in from the top or sth
but I can't rly access that cquse that's below the black cover thing
which I can't rly unscrew
peak right to repair
bold igloo
the rivets? they shouldnt interfere you should be able to push it out
or keep the PSu in the case and stretch the cables over to the mobo, youll have to have the case right next to it all
jolly dove
god I am too stupid to remove the gpu 
I can't tell if it's screwed in on the bottom, I doubt it doe
I removed the screws on the back side of the case but this thingy won't come out
kindred kestrel
Did you push Inn the thing on the slot
jolly dove
I did push on the lock thingy (like with ram), ye
bold igloo
have you checked if there is a screw on the GPU bracket?
typically there is one that will hold it down to the case
jolly dove
rn trying to get the mobo off, which got 2 screws behind the cd drive, which requires me to unscrew it from the front, so I have to get the front cover of, which requires me to get the other side, which requires me to somehow crack those weird sprayed over screws open.... what the fuck
jolly dove
have you checked if there is a screw on the GPU bracket?
uh
oh like on the outside/case?
yes
they forgot to put a screw in, so only two of three were actually in there, but yes
woah
I managed to open up the front
this thing is the largest dust magnet ever
bold igloo
yeppppp
remember the goal is to test if it will boot and work outside of the case, and see if you can bend the case back so it doesnt touch
jolly dove
remember the goal is to test if it will boot and work outside of the case, and s...
ok so I can't see any dents or bends in the case. the psu is still stuck in there, and I doubt the cables are long enough to reach out
jolly dove
https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/576969/help-how-to-remove-power-supply-...
holy shit.. I feel so stupid
update: I am so stupid
like, I can press the thingy down
but it doesn't do anything
OH
I got it
apparently you have to press the thing, pull the psu up, then push it
I didn't pull it up first
jolly dove
https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/576969/help-how-to-remove-power-supply-...
awesome! now where do I put the psu, just on the table? I don't have a larger box rly
@bold igloo so like, I plugged stuff in (the 24 pin and some 4 pin labeled ATX 12V (?)), and the GPU, so now do I just yolo or what
bold igloo
awesome! now where do I put the psu, just on the table? I don't have a larger bo...
yeah you’ll be fine
bold igloo
<@1132830505130283029> so like, I plugged stuff in (the 24 pin and some 4 pin la...
to post you should just need the PCIE, 24pin ATX, 8pin cpu…
i can’t remember the rest
jolly dove
to post you should just need the PCIE, 24pin ATX, 8pin cpu…
uh
idk I'm pretty sure those were all that were plugged in 
jolly dove
yeah you’ll be fine
what's the worst that could happen right 
jolly dove
to post you should just need the PCIE, 24pin ATX, 8pin cpu…
wdym just? I only plugged 2 in (will send img in a min) cuz that's the only ones that were plugged in afaik
bold igloo
motherboard cpu gpu sata power to your drive and then try it and see if it works
sorry work caught me up
jolly dove
pretty sure the main drive's just an m.2 on there, the external ones I left unplugged just in case shit happens to them
jolly dove
motherboard cpu gpu sata power to your drive and then try it and see if it works
afaik the gpu is so shit that it doesn't even have its own sata port
jolly dove
motherboard cpu gpu sata power to your drive and then try it and see if it works
what's the worst that can happen if I don't have sth plugged in
kindred kestrel
it dosent turn on
jolly dove
right but shouldn't hurt anything past the damage that has alr been done right
ok I feel like I'm kinda asking too many questions tbh buuuut
what's like the worst thing that could happen
can I die
jolly dove
ok fuck it, yolo
ok wait actually
how do I turn the thingy on without a power button
don't j have to connect two pins or whatever? how do I know which
jolly dove
thanks, I'll try tmr. getting late here
jolly dove
ok so
the system does indeed boot (for future reference, boot = turns on, no matter if post or not) with only cpu, but doesn't give me any "hey uwu owo u did a fuckie wuckie, where's your ram!?" indicator
pretty sure it should have a speaker
I take it back
it just took a sec
jolly dove
oop
I think the ram is at fault
while it boots, it dies after like 10 secs and doesn't post
ashen cave
while it boots, it dies after like 10 secs and doesn't post
rip on stick out
ashen cave
should I plug shit in?
?
jolly dove
that shouldn't affect post righ
jolly dove
yes
aight plugged it in
anything else I should consider?
before plugging it back in
ashen cave
i dont think so
jolly dove
aight sec
yolo
o
it doesn't reboot anymore
but beep
I love how the diagnostic message is a single beep
what am I supposed to do with that
jolly dove
I love how the diagnostic message is a single beep
like, long beep
until I cut the power
Endless repeating beeps are a RAM problem. Try the RAM one piece at a time, and in various slots. If
oh
hm
should I try same stick, diff slots?
jolly dove
i dont think so
ok yea no. I went to eat sth rq and reseated the stick after, same result in all 4 slots. should I try the other stick ig?
in theory I also got some sodimm sticks lying around somewhere, but that's not compatible righ
bold igloo
try each dimm the first slot closest to the CPU
one at a time, only one stick in that one slot
if nothing happens then its not the RAM
@jolly dove
jolly dove
I feel like the slots are borked. it turns on, and then reboots pre-post after like 10s. Second stick in third slot makes it beep continuously but that's the only other result I could get so far
