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jaunty mulch
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pcpartpicker

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NO TO THAT PSU

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and go for a b550 if you want the gpu and cpu

mint lark
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for upgrades?

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could care less tbh

jaunty mulch
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NO

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NEVER get a cheap psu

mint lark
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what does the mobo have to do with gpu and cpu

jaunty mulch
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if the psu explodes your pc or lights you house on fire your NOT getting a warranty or your money back

mint lark
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ill swap it

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what about the mobo

jaunty mulch
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pcie 3 vs 4 is 2X the difference in speed

obtuse cedar
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does the gpu need that?

jaunty mulch
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since the gpu only runs in x8 pcie 4.0 mode a b550 can give some nice uplifts in performance especially with the 1% lows

obtuse cedar
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is it really enough to consider getting a much more expensive motherboard for a mostly dead platform

jaunty mulch
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it got a new cpu in 2024

obtuse cedar
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keyword mostly

mint lark
jaunty mulch
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not a new 2 new cpues

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b550= pcie 4.0 b450=pcie3.0

obtuse cedar
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though they still aren't that much compared to the already released 5800x3d

jaunty mulch
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a 5800X3D and a 4090 is still a "good" combo so just being able to do that without getting a new pc might be worth it if your on a budget

obtuse cedar
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ofc

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but, that's the same argument as

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just saying you can upgrade to a 5800x3d

mint lark
jaunty mulch
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yes

mint lark
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so im keeping it

jaunty mulch
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yes the b550

mint lark
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no the b450

jaunty mulch
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the b450 ONLY has pcie 3.0

mint lark
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it has 4.0 ssd support

jaunty mulch
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no

obtuse cedar
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what games are you playing

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if you're playing games

jaunty mulch
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when it comes to NVME SSDs pcie 3.0 to 4.0 to even 5.0 their is only a super small difference in performance for gaming

mint lark
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@jaunty mulch

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right here bud

obtuse cedar
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ai generated answer

mint lark
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i know, but is it false?

obtuse cedar
obtuse cedar
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95% of b450 only do pcie gen 3

jaunty mulch
obtuse cedar
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actually I think all do pcie gen 3

jaunty mulch
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amd made it only do pcie 3

mint lark
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thats stupid

obtuse cedar
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I know one of the motherboards support pcie gen 4

jaunty mulch
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yes it is

mint lark
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thanks for the heads up

obtuse cedar
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okay but what games are you playing

mint lark
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question why do people bring up pcie shit when talking about ssdds

jaunty mulch
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they are dumb

obtuse cedar
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it matters for some tasks

mint lark
obtuse cedar
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gaming isn't one of them

jaunty mulch
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it dose not matter for gaming

mint lark
jaunty mulch
jaunty mulch
mint lark
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see u just said pcie ssd

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why the pcie

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thats a whole different slot

jaunty mulch
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no

obtuse cedar
jaunty mulch
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pcie is a communication interface

obtuse cedar
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if he's just playing 1080p fortnite and cod

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pcie gen 3 vs 4

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small difference

jaunty mulch
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in nvme

obtuse cedar
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in gpu it's not that big either

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not with a 6650xt

mint lark
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@jaunty mulch can u send me a mobo and ssd that would go well with this build

obtuse cedar
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maybe with like a 3090 or higher but I'm running a 6800xt at pcie gen 3 and I'm getting the fps I should anecdotal evidence

mint lark
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i thought ssds were just for loading speed

jaunty mulch
obtuse cedar
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do you have the link?

jaunty mulch
obtuse cedar
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they'd only matter when direct storage actually starts coming into most games but that hasn't happened yet

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and it probably won't happen that soon

jaunty mulch
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https://youtu.be/v2SuyiHs-O4?si=tEzw5QIpP3FoqNNI

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NVIDIA RTX 4090 PCIe 3.0 vs. 4.0 x16 & '5.0' Scaling Benchmarks

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This testing is for PCIe generations on the NVIDIA RTX 4090 GPU. We're benchmarking PCIe 3.0 x16 vs. PCIe 4.0 x16 vs. PCIe "5.0" x16 (but the 4090 doesn't support 5.0, so it's just 4.0 -- still worth showing for educational purposes). Remember that PCIe 3.0 x16 is equal to PCIe 4.0 x8,...

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mint lark
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oh nvm mind

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so pcie and the m.2 slot are related?

jaunty mulch
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yes

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not slot

obtuse cedar
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VS 4090

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LMAO

jaunty mulch
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pcie is a communication interface that can be used for storage or gpues or networking or anything like that

obtuse cedar
mint lark
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ok

jaunty mulch
mint lark
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based off the parts list

obtuse cedar
jaunty mulch
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my point is just that its better to be able to use pcie 4.0 to be able to upgrade or software that might need it for full support of things like sam,

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and the price difference is not that big

jaunty mulch
mint lark
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yes

obtuse cedar
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that's why I'm like

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it probably is a lower priority a and it's like a decent price difference between b450 vs b550

jaunty mulch
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replacing a mobo is not easy replacing a cpu is

obtuse cedar
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your point?

jaunty mulch
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its better to buy something ok now and not have to worry about it

obtuse cedar
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it's a small difference for any gpu you'd really be putting with an am4 mobo

jaunty mulch
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and its a small difference in price

obtuse cedar
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it's like $50

jaunty mulch
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15$"

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its 15

obtuse cedar
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what mobo are they getting?

jaunty mulch
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ofc cheapest v cheapest

obtuse cedar
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I wouldn't get the cheapest though only whichever ones have bios flashback

jaunty mulch
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just go on pcpartpicker and look for your self

obtuse cedar
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bet

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okay so I'm going to go with cheapest with bios flashback

mint lark
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good?

obtuse cedar
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for obvious reasons

mint lark
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@jaunty mulch

jaunty mulch
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on pcpartpicker this one is the cheapest b550

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and it has bios flashback

mint lark
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does that just have wifi and flashback

jaunty mulch
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yup

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its a GREAT mobo

orchid sedge
jaunty mulch
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gimi sec

obtuse cedar
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cheapest b450 with flashback is 73.98
cheapest b550 with flashback is 99.99

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so it's not $50 I was lying my ass off

jaunty mulch
obtuse cedar
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without bios flashing with a different cpu

mint lark
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it will

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they all do these days

jaunty mulch
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ofc but it is super rare in 2024 to have a new mobo with a super old bios

obtuse cedar
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why leave it up to chance?

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you can get a similar mobo for the same price with bios flash

jaunty mulch
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what?

obtuse cedar
jaunty mulch
obtuse cedar
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that it's less common for it to have super old bios

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can you give a link?

jaunty mulch
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im not going to watch 1hr of youtube

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can you just pleas look up the first mobo i gave you without complaining

obtuse cedar
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is that the vdh

jaunty mulch
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vc

obtuse cedar
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I looked and didn't think I saw a flashback

jaunty mulch
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its the same price

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but the other one also has flash back

obtuse cedar
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I responded to the vdh

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not the vc

jaunty mulch
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the VDH also has it

obtuse cedar
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oh yes it does

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sorry about that

jaunty mulch
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yes

obtuse cedar
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didn't see it

jaunty mulch
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you can see it on amazon too

obtuse cedar
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yeah I see now

jaunty mulch
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back to impulse

mint lark
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vdh says on the page that it supports 5000

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should i go 32 gb or no

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also should i downgrade ssd or no

jaunty mulch
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it is way over budget

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but i will start to trim it down a bit

mint lark
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so 32 gbs is worth that much more?

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i only need 1 tb

jaunty mulch
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you say that now

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in a year you would have wished for more

mint lark
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in a year ill get some more

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but the ram?

orchid sedge
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the motherboard has two m.2 slots

jaunty mulch
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the prices for storage are expected to rise a good bit

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i can see what i can doo

mint lark
jaunty mulch
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from what i can see its better to have 32gb for a new pc

mint lark
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it might be a little over kill from what the rest of the rest of the specs are

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also do i need pcie 4.0?

jaunty mulch
mint lark
jaunty mulch
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but it is also true that 16GB is still more then enough for most games

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some games use love ram other do not in the way they do not need much to work well

mint lark
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should be fine unless settings are high

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lowkey wanna just go with pcie 3.0 will knock down mobo price and ssd price

jaunty mulch
# mint lark also do i need pcie 4.0?

both yes and no, right now not too much in the future like 4-6 years when games start to run badly you can actually upgrade to something way better or softwear can utilize the full pcie 4.0 bandwidth

mint lark
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ok

jaunty mulch
mint lark
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so to future proof yes,

jaunty mulch
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yes

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but i can easy change some things

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to reduce price

jaunty mulch
mint lark
jaunty mulch
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or are you willing to go with the one that comes with the cpu

mint lark
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its like 20 bucks

jaunty mulch
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most people with a 5600 just use the one in the box, but with the cooler i picked it is a budget king and you can use pbo to get way more preformance

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and when i say way more i mean like 15% max

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but it is still nice with a good cooler

mint lark
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yea exactly

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20 bucks doesn't matter to me

mint lark
orchid sedge
jaunty mulch
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you chose ma boy the ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB

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i love that drive

jaunty mulch
mint lark
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yea

jaunty mulch
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20$

jaunty mulch
mint lark
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ok

mint lark
mint lark
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trying to decide if i just go with a 3.0 pcie mobo

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and ssd

jaunty mulch
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look at the list

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do you need it to be 650$ or less?

jaunty mulch
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and the m.2 in the list from ice is pcie 3.0

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and its a super good pcie 3.0 drive too that is as good or better then a sn770

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aka a pcie 4.0 drive

mint lark
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so do i do a b450 then

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we just did a circle 😂

jaunty mulch
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do you need it to be 650$ or less???

mint lark
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i mean around there would be great

jaunty mulch
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right now its at Total: $697.81

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and you get a good cooler good ram and 32GB of it 1TB of good storage full pcie 4.0 and good wifi and bluetooth

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and you can upgrade to a ryzen 9 5950x or ryzen 7 5800X3D later down the line for "cheap"/a good used deal cheap

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you get a 5 year warranty on the psu

mint lark
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@jaunty mulch the thing about 3.0 ssds, is they cap at 2280. 4.0 is much higher, so there is a huge difference no?

orchid sedge
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2280 is the form factor

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the --80 at the end means that the drive is 80mm long

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2230 is 30mm long

jaunty mulch
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22110 is 110mm long

jaunty mulch
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if you want to use those speeds then you need a super expensive drive

mint lark
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oh lol

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so whats the difference between 4.0 and 3.0 😂😂🤷😭

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full circle

orchid sedge
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it can carry twice as much bandwidth per lane

mint lark
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why are they so similar in price then

orchid sedge
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the material costs are generally the same

mint lark
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u just need to buy a more expensive mobo to use 4.0

jaunty mulch
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so price go up

mint lark
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for budget

jaunty mulch
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the cooler?

mint lark
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huh

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i guess the cooler lol

jaunty mulch
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the extra cooler

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Total: $679.92

mint lark
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idk

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does it impact performance

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i forgot what u said ab it

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earlier

jaunty mulch
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16GB ram
Total: $661.45

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and no extra cooler

mint lark
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ill do 32 gb

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is this based of ices build

jaunty mulch
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ye

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then the total will be Total: $679.92

mint lark
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why pay for that mobo if i just have a 3.0 ssd

jaunty mulch
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the gpu uses pcie 4.0

mint lark
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because of flashback

jaunty mulch
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its 15$

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pcie 4 vs 3 is 2X the difference

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it is worth it

mint lark
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for gpu

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u mean

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not ssd

jaunty mulch
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ssd dose not fully matter

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gpu it dose

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the 6650XT only has a X8 interface while most other gpues have a X16

burnt widget
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Already made you a list

jaunty mulch
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and the 6650XT uses a pcie 4.0 interface too so a good mobo will show a small amount of performance increase

mint lark
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small amount?

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u said twice

jaunty mulch
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ye

mint lark
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over 3.0 u mean

jaunty mulch
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yes

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4.0 is just worth it

mint lark
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what makes that ssd worth that price i can find one for cheaper

jaunty mulch
jaunty mulch
mint lark
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i just gotta trust yall ig

jaunty mulch
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at least i work with tech almost all day

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so i do know some stuff but mostly about repairing it

mint lark
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the vc mobo is 3.0?

jaunty mulch
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no

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b550

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vdh and vc are the same just tha the vc has a better wifi chip

orchid sedge
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sx8200 has a dram cache that can help with bursts of incoming writes

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MP33 also has a dram cache, but I believe their sequential reads are worse than the sx8200

jaunty mulch
# mint lark the vc mobo is 3.0?

amd has made many chipsets for the am4 platform and the basics are just b450 and x470 can only do pcie 3.0 while b550 and x570 can do pcie 4.0

mint lark
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ight yall final build decision

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that psu is solid

burnt widget
mint lark
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amazon

burnt widget
mint lark
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lol what is wrong with amazon

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i will never trust that shit hole again

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lied to me 3 times today

burnt widget
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Nothing wrong with Amazon

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But reviews on Amazon aren’t the same as professional reviews

jaunty mulch
mint lark
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lol i didn't know shit back then

jaunty mulch
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and do not get 3600MT ram

mint lark
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thats why im in here

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rn

burnt widget
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What’s the current psu

jaunty mulch
mint lark
jaunty mulch
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infinity fabric runs at 3200

burnt widget
jaunty mulch
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and a 1-1 is best for stability and performance

mint lark
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what is a 1-1

jaunty mulch
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just do not worry about it and use the list above

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and the psu you got is not good, here are some cons
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12V OCP and OPP are not configured correctly
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Low overall performance
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Low efficiency
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Noisy
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20AWG gauges on the PCIe and 4-pin Molex connectors
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Lousy transient response at 3.3V
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Low-end capacitors in both primary and secondary sides
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High EMI emissions
mint lark
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i know im changing it out

jaunty mulch
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pleas just build a new list from this one

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ffs

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this list

mint lark
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are u sure not having 3600 doesn't matter?

jaunty mulch
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YES

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why would it

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it just costs more

mint lark
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wym why would it

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3600 is faster than 3200

jaunty mulch
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by 400

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but it runs 2cl higher

mint lark
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yea

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i guess thats not enough to matter

jaunty mulch
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if you want to get closer to the 650$ mark then i can find some 2x8 16GB ram

mint lark
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no

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its ok

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thank you all for your help

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i really appreciate it

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i guess i didn't know as much as i thought i did about this shit