which processor to buy

[spiral dust]

5800x3d + mobo + 16gb ddr4 - 350
7700x + mobo + 32gb ddr5 - 420
12900k + mobo + 32gb ddr5 - 420

which do i buy

[north light]

r7 7700x

[ember turret]

12900k

[crimson wigeon]

7700x

[robust elbow]

Am5, but what makes you choose the 7700x?

[north light]

wha?

[robust elbow]

Insane intel shill

[north light]

yes

[ember turret]

Intel is better

[north light]

in what way?

[ember turret]

Wdym

[north light]

i want more then "intel is better"

[cloud juniper]

how is intel better

you got some benchmark from a reliable source saying the 12900k is better than the 7700x in gaming I'd assume is what the user is going to be doing

(userbenchmark is not a reliable source)

[cloud juniper]

though that's a good question

what are you doing with the pc

cause the 12900k could be better depending on the use case

[cursive dagger]

so 7700X

[errant folio]

they always talk so much then when get proven wrong they go silent

[cloud juniper]

well if they're doing something like simulations for different things or just playing city skylines 2 professionally

they could possibly have a use for the 12900k

and it doesnt hurt to ask

[north light]

most of the time but not one guy who claims that the 5 3600 is dying in droves

[cloud juniper]

DYING IN DROVES

💀

[north light]

yup

[cloud juniper]

not me with the

Ive actually not had a single issue with my 3600 and running a 6800xt

except in starfield

starfield was angry

[errant folio]

what res u play at

[north light]

funny thing when i asked for a link i got a reply 40m later to a vid that just said that motherboard manufacturers are dumb some times and boost voltage

[cloud juniper]

1440p

at 1080p there would be an issue definitely

im considering upgrading but honestly i dont even think i need to since i just dont have any issues with the cpu

[cloud juniper]

😭

[north light]

the 5 3600 is so good and for games like cs a x3d is just too good too not use if you play it but if not then the 5 3600 is still just soo good

[cloud juniper]

like counter strike?

[north light]

ye

[cloud juniper]

I mean specifically in that case

that game can run on an 8th gen intel cpu with over 100fps

So its kinda like, yippee an extra 200fps when im already at like 200fps, doesnt really do much

[north light]

some games LOVE X3D chips others only get a small boost

[cloud juniper]

Yeah

I cant think of too many games that do

I do 100% know there is though

[north light]

if you have a 500Hz monitor then maybe

[cloud juniper]

Only issue is most people cant even notice any difference above like 165hz

and some really really good players might notice it at 240hz

[north light]

i have a 280hz

[cloud juniper]

damn bruh

[north light]

it dose make a difference from 140 to 280

[cloud juniper]

Yeah but do you think it gives a competitive advantage

[north light]

but i like my quality

YES

it dose

over 360 just dose not make sense and the pc also has too keep up

the r5 3600 hater also claimed too overclock his i5 12400f and get a 20-30% boost in preformance

[cloud juniper]

https://youtu.be/OX31kZbAXsA LTT went over this awhile ago and i think they kinda said nah its goofy for the most part

the end of the video is where they show the differences

[north light]

their is a big difference at higher frams from lower but the drop off was huge

[cloud juniper]

i wish i could overclock my 3600

but it got very angry at me

[north light]

they have done studies on this and faster is better

but their is a quick drop off

[cloud juniper]

Can you show me one that shows a large difference between 240hz and higher?

well yeah theres quick drop off

between 144 and 240 the difference is very small but its noticeable

but higher than 240hz it seems very very small

[north light]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/345343206_A_Study_on_the_Relationship_Between_Refresh-Rate_of_Display_and_Reaction_Time_of_eSports

[cloud juniper]

"As the result, differences between 60Hz, 120Hz and 240Hz cannot be ignored"

meaning above 240hz, it, can be ignored?

[north light]

here is one with a 360

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353763230_A_Study_on_the_Impact_of_High_Refresh-Rate_Displays_on_Scores_of_eSports

[cloud juniper]

not that, thats like exactly what they're saying

oh okay

[north light]

and one of the citations of the other studies i sent you

TLDR:

5 Conclusion
In this study, the authors focus on the impact of high refresh-rate on scores of eSports.
As a result, the score when playing in 300 Hz and 360 Hz marked higher than 240 Hz,
and further improvement can be expected. Therefore, it is suggested that using higher
refresh–rate display is much advantageous in eSports field. As the future study, authors
plan to measure human skills which improved through eSports.
Acknowledgments. This research was supported by a Grant from The
Telecommunication Advanced Foundation. In addition, we gratefully acknowledge the
work of past and present members of our laboratory.

[cloud juniper]

Do you have any other sources for this?

Because this goes against the findings they had in the LTT video

well actually not really

[north light]

remember LTT just did it for fun

the study dose it for results and truth

[cloud juniper]

I see why it looks so much different

They're using the MINIMUM

and not the average

the average is actually, maybe a couple thousandths of a second

the minimum is just a large difference

and going by minimum is usually, not a very accurate way to measure

im unsure why they decided to use minimums and maximums

instead of the average

[north light]

the dotted line is avrage

[cloud juniper]

Even in the average you can see between 120hz and 240hz the difference is about maybe 15ms

Yeah

[north light]

but in short faster polling will always give better results but the question is, is it truly worth it?

[cloud juniper]

Yeah

[north light]

from 60 to 120 BIG difference

[cloud juniper]

id really like to see how many people they got these findings from

[north light]

ye i was trying to find that out

[cloud juniper]

Because those averages seem to get a little weird

like based on other sources the difference between 300 and 240hz being almost as large as the difference between 120hz and 240hz

Thats seems, oddly wrong

[north light]

another issue is that the brain adapts, i suspect living with a high refresh rate monitor for a long time might improve a brain to make it able to fully use the monitor

[north light]

its also who they tested

[cloud juniper]

Yeah im going with that study does show numbers its just, those numbers are useless because i have no clue the age group they tested, and like the amount of people they tested

well not useless

they're just not like, super trustworthy

[north light]

ye

simply put more fps=more winning, but again more then that study other have said the higher you go the less worth the upgrade it was

[cloud juniper]

it just seems like a more do you have enough skill to actually utilize that more fps

like is it worth it to get the monitor when you're not even going to be able to fully use it

[ember turret]

I was sleeping lol

[signal elm]

The best cpu on the market rn is the 7800x3d

[ember turret]

Not really

[signal elm]

Explain

[ember turret]

Not everything is gaming

And the 14900k(s) is better at anything other than gaming

Even a 14700k

[signal elm]

… not everyone is rich

[ember turret]

A 7800x3d is also not cheap

Compareable to 14700k

14700k beats it

[errant folio]

14700k is more

[signal elm]

nothing can beat 7800x3d in terms of price to performance

[ember turret]

Like 30$

[ember turret]

??

[signal elm]

why would you buy a 14700k when a 7800x3d can run rtx 4090 and use it to it's full pottanion witch head room

[ember turret]

Huh? 14700k also has headroom

[zealous galleon]

Power efficiency

platform upgradeable

cooling requestments

Motherboard VRM requirements

Price

And still faster

[north light]

I think he also forgot that the ryzen 9 7950x is better then the i9 14900k in a whole load of work loads and uses less power

[signal elm]

therefore i think the 7950x3d is better then a 14900k

[north light]

For gaming and workstation tasks you cannot beat the 7950X3D

[robust elbow]

lol

Intel has fallen off

[north light]

Intel is 8 feet under ground when it comes to 13th and 14th chips as they have to burry tem as you knwo they dead or preformace has died due to MB manufacturers not setting limits correctly

[robust elbow]

Though it technically is the motherboard’s fault, I’m still blaming Intel for not stopping it. They just wanted to be faster for free so they let motherboards auto overclock their CPUs

[north light]

The main reason intel even had a chance against amd was because they were always overclocking automatically during tests

[robust elbow]

Ryzen was beating them without needing to overclock. And then you could still overclock them

[north light]

Almost all amd motherboards can be overclocked and cpues at the same time as the ones that do not support proper oc still have access to PBO

I actually can't see a reason to go intel in 2024

[robust elbow]

Yeah

[north light]

Imagine if amd will have one last launche of amd cpues next year on the am4 platform

[robust elbow]

They took intel solely by am4. And am4 is proof that you don’t need to switch sockets so often (intel!) lga 1150, 1151, 1155, and 1156….

[north light]

Did you know that intel 6,7,8 and 9th gen cpues are compatible with the same mobo

[robust elbow]

They are?

[north light]

Yes

You do have to do some modifications but they are

Same mobo

[robust elbow]

Oh wow

They all sucked tho bc 14nm+++++

[north light]

It's so funny how long it went on

[robust elbow]

Wasn’t 4th gen 14nm?

[north light]

Bah 22nm

6th gen first 14nm

[robust elbow]

Oh

[north light]

Google says 6 years until they changed

11th gen intel was last 14nm XD

[robust elbow]

11th and 14th gen were mistakes

[north light]

Yes

7th gen too

[robust elbow]

Especially 11th gen where the i9 had 2 less cores than 10th

[north light]

Dam, bought a i9 11900 and a z590 for CEAP

About 200 usd

[robust elbow]

And what’s worse is the 11700k also has 8 cores, so the i9 was mostly useless

[north light]

Yup

[signal elm]

Also does not help that 13th and 14th gen intel overheat

[pallid trench]

5th gen was the first, but it only had 3 CPUs on desktop

[errant folio]

it also runs insanely hot and is slower than 7800x3d in gaming

[ember turret]

is gaming your life?

[errant folio]

buddy there is a very good chance the person who wants to build this pc just plays games

ur acting like everyone who builds a pc needs the extra cores 🤣🤣🤣 even tho 99% just play games

[robust elbow]

Buddy is also an insane intel shill

[errant folio]

yeah bro prefers overheating

he kept on trying to say that a itx noctua cooler was gonna cool a 13700k

i found a video of a guy with the exact cooler and cpu and it was hitting 98c undervolted

[robust elbow]

…..

Wow

Just wow

[ember turret]

it wasnt itx lol

[errant folio]

it was meant to be lmao

not meant to be used in a full build like that lmao

people normally use it in small builds

[ember turret]

more like a micro atx cooler

l9 is mini itx

[errant folio]

it’s lp which people use in a lot of itx builds

[robust elbow]

The vast majority of matx cases support tower coolers

[errant folio]

exactly for the most part the only difference is the mobo and case size, the clearance is normally the same

[robust elbow]

Itx is when you get to sandwich style and other weird layouts

[spring canopy]

Microcentre bundle?

[robust elbow]

Could be

[spring canopy]

For $420 most likely

[robust elbow]

To bad they didn’t answer

[signal elm]

A 360 aio can not cool a 13900k under full load

[robust elbow]

With the fucked up power limits

[signal elm]

I have no idea how to fix that on a Msi motherboard which I have

[robust elbow]

Core enhancement maybe?

Or update the bios

[ember turret]

Use intels power limits

[errant folio]

or just get ryzen 🤯🤯

[robust elbow]

Yes. That’s literally my point

[pallid trench]

Yeah, if you don't want to get your chip fried in 6 months and you'll have to buy a new one. 7950X3D is cheaper than 2xi9-13900k

[north light]

and use way less power

and if you enable eco mode even more

[ember turret]

Thats not true

It doesnt fry

It works if you are smart enough to build a pc

[pallid trench]

Specifically it's a TVB issue that causes the CPUs to overheat, which can take a toll on the CPUs, also AM5 has an upgrade path until at least Zen 6

[errant folio]

hey bud, it’s nothing to do with your ability to build a pc

it’s just the cpus fault idk why you want him to get intel when it’s a dead platform and overheats and you’re overpaying for less gaming performance

[zealous galleon]

Fr

Most people in fact don't do much more then gaming

Most people don't use blender or CAD or video editing software

If you do use then intel has it's place

But for gaming AMD beats the living shit out of intel

[north light]

you are why people do not want to build a pc, nobody wants to listen or deal with a person who calls them dumb because they do not have time to watch every tech video

[ember turret]

wtf?

people who builds a pc with a i9 13 / 14900k know something about pcs

[ember turret]

it does only overheat when you are stupid and get a bad cooler

also its not overpaying

[errant folio]

says the one who wanted a lp cooler on a 13700k 🤣

ryzen is the better choice here

[ember turret]

it isnt lp

LOL

[errant folio]

LOL

low profile 🤯

real quiet now LMAO

[ember turret]

65mm is not low profile

[errant folio]

u know how to read or no?

says low profile right there

[ember turret]

amazon 💀

you know amazon?

[errant folio]

and it def is when compared to other tower coolers

[ember turret]

its not trustworthy

[errant folio]

you know noctua made the listing?

[ember turret]

the text

[ember turret]

not fully

[errant folio]

cope

[copper iron]

Y’all can be quiet now . We all know who’s right and who’s wrong

It’s clear as day

[errant folio]

fr

[ember turret]

?

its a taller variant of the low profile cooler

so its not low profile anymore

[errant folio]

this is on their website bud

cope harder

[ember turret]

its isnt

low profile is max 50-60mm

[errant folio]

bro it doesnt matter what your definition of low profile is

this is the facts

[ember turret]

only because they state its low profile, it doesnt justify it

[errant folio]

why cuz YOU think otherwise?

lmao

its low profile end of discussion

[ember turret]

nah ask the sff community

[errant folio]

its low profile 🥱

[ember turret]

nope

[ember turret]

WOW

[ember turret]

only noctua says that

[errant folio]

earlier u said noctua is reliable and now they arent?

make it make sense

[ember turret]

they are, but not their product page

[errant folio]

when compared to other air coolers, its low profile

its facts

[ember turret]

there are tower coolers 65mm tall and those are not low profile

[errant folio]

find me one tower cooler thats 65mm

[errant folio]

whats it called

[ember turret]

Supermicro SNK-P0083AP4

[errant folio]

ah yes some random brand nobody uses

[ember turret]

SilverStone XE02-4189

[errant folio]

Supermicro SNK-P0083AP4

what why did it copy that lmao

[ember turret]

??

[errant folio]

so what noctua says isnt trustworthy but those random brands are?

💀

[ember turret]

here even a intel 1700 tower cooler thats 66mm

[errant folio]

none of your arguments make sense at all

i could just say those arent trustworthy by your logic

[ember turret]

idc lol

[errant folio]

also most of these are for rack mounted shit anyway 🤣

yes they would still work but

[ember turret]

and now?

does that change anything?

[ember turret]

and those 66mm coolers are made for 200-300w watts

[errant folio]

yeah and they are made to be low profile to fit in the racks

[ember turret]

not low profile

but made to fit in 2he racks

[errant folio]

they are literally so small so that makes em low profile

literally nobody agrees that cooler isnt low profile except you lmao

[ember turret]

bro what

you forgot a ","

[errant folio]

people literally use it in itx builds

[ember turret]

yea but itx != sff

[errant folio]

bros resorting to grammar corrections thats how desperate he is

and sff builds if that helps

[ember turret]

i had a cramp while reading that message before

[errant folio]

its pretty simple but considering the brain numbing arguments you've said beforehand its no surprise you cant understand it

[ember turret]

"literally nobody agrees that cooler isnt low profile except you lmao"
you wrote like if you wanted to say:
"literally nobody agrees that that cooler isnt low profile except you lmao"

[errant folio]

brother i am NOT gonna grammar check my discord messages 😭 🙏

[ember turret]

but atleast write understandable

[errant folio]

it is

[ember turret]

not really

[errant folio]

anybody can interpret as sentence missing a single word

[errant folio]

then you must be pretty stupid

all you do is change subject when youre proven wrong 🤑

just cope ig

[cloud juniper]

neither of you are really arguing correctly you're just pissing each other off

[north light]

yes

[spring canopy]

Says who?

[signal elm]

I have a 13900kf and a 360mm aio and it is not enough under a heavy workload

[north light]

pleas make your own tread/post

[ember turret]

"not enough"
"Heavy workload"

explain

[errant folio]

im chill

made plenty of good arguments but gave up when he kept on going off his opinion

[ember turret]

Wtf

[cloud juniper]

Thats what made it just pissing each other off

you shouldve just stopped talking to him

[robust elbow]

Are you actually ignorant? Tf you think “not enough” means? Maybe it’s thermal throttling?
A “heavy workload” would be something that hits most or all cores.

You’re actually incapable of delivering correct information due to your ignorance. Shut the actual fuck up already

[copper iron]

Uh who pissed in your Cheerios

[robust elbow]

What

I’m tired of fucking Sören spreading misinformation

[north light]

ye me too

[copper iron]

So he pissed in all of our food

[robust elbow]

You could say that

He’s pissed in my food so many times

[ember turret]

bro wtf i dont even know you

[ember turret]

"Maybe", also i didnt ask you.

[robust elbow]

You didn’t have to. Shut the fuck up

[ember turret]

aww little baby is mad

[errant folio]

yeah cuz all you do is act smart and recommend the worst things in the galaxy

then you can’t understand a simple sentence like 😭

[signal elm]

Maybe I know from experience

[pallid trench]

I can relate XD