#In the market with a budget of 8k

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silk girder
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Isn’t about a PC but more just advice. My laptop has run its course and I need a new one. One that’s pretty powerful because I need it to run some intensive renders and maybe simulations. Budget is 8k. I was looking at the MacBook Pro M3 max 16 core with 128gig ram and 8T ssd which costs about 7k. Anything else that I can get that’s better and around the same price.

ornate pewter
iron bone
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Yes, you can get better for cheaper.
Get i9 with 4090 for $5k

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ornate pewter
iron bone
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Saved you 2gs and doubled the performance of the macbook

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John Hamond needed a labtop for protein folding and sequence analysis... he got this.

silk girder
iron bone
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Bring a table fan

silk girder
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So, good?

iron bone
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Anything pushing that much wattage will be a like a space heater... can't be helped

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I like to run laptops on a spacer if you will, get it up a inch off the tabletop.

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Macs have good battery life. That's their best selling point.

silk girder
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I heard that the Mac’s don’t really struggle with heating though

iron bone
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If you want raw power, shop i9 + 4090

silk girder
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Or at least not nearly as much

iron bone
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They are half as fast, so half the heat

ornate pewter
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Why would you run renders of this caliber off a laptop?

silk girder
ornate pewter
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What are you doing exactly

iron bone
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In the lab, it's a must... so much I call em labtops

silk girder
ornate pewter
silk girder
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I gotta eat dinner btw so brb

silk girder
ornate pewter
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For an internship?

silk girder
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It’s not really an internship

ornate pewter
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What’s the business?

silk girder
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It’s properly payed

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But I’m there to learn

iron bone
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Nice

silk girder
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I’ll be right back though I’m getting yelled at

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Right I’m back. So the main concern I have is thermal throttling.

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I’ve heard Mac’s don’t suffer from it as much

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I’m not super worried about the money since I’m not paying for like 80% of it

iron bone
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With the intel/Nvidia system you can undervolt and select a more conservative clock to prevent thermal issues

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While still getting more performance

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Friends don't let Friends buy macs. Not only do you end up paying a huge a-hole tax... you're getting worse hardware that is virtually unrepairable and limited in its versatility.

heady fulcrum
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And oled display

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Better than a macbook

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No thermal throttling at all

silk girder
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Cus I’m having trouble finding it

heady fulcrum
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Its not a price-to-performance laptop

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Rather a high end laptop

silk girder
heady fulcrum
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Up to 64

silk girder
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Yeah I suppose, still half of what the Mac is.

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The no thermal throttling is a big selling point for me cus it’s fucked up my last 2 laptops

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So that’s good at least

heady fulcrum
silk girder
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I’m only paying like 20% of whatever I’m buying

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So??

heady fulcrum
# silk girder Why not

You could also get a last gen one, which still has so-dimm ram, and put in your own ram

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13900h + 4080

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I think

silk girder
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Mmmm struggling to find it again

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This site is confusing

heady fulcrum
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But it doesnt have oled, if that Matters

silk girder
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Let me have a look

silk girder
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How much?

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Also can it handle that much more ram?

heady fulcrum
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96gb ddr5

silk girder
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Besides being windows

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||windows for life||

heady fulcrum
mortal lichen
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rather get a yoga pro 9i 16"

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or like a zephyrus g16

heady fulcrum
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Otherwise 16"

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Its newer

heady fulcrum
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128gb Camm Module

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Rtx 5000 Ada

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13950hx

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4k 120hz 17"

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And a smart card reader

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4 nvme slots

iron bone
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That Dell is $2,000 more than the MSI system
Ada5000 versus the 4090, take the 4090 for sure.

heady fulcrum
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ada5000 wins easy there

iron bone
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Double check your references, I was looking it up last night. The ada5000 in inferior in all the test except AI

heady fulcrum
iron bone
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Hmm, maybe I'll double check my references before proceeding...

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Yhea, 4090 is 50% - 200% faster in almost everytest

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At 450w vs 250w lol

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That's desktop to desktop, no finding labtop specs

heady fulcrum
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but laptop should be better

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as far as i know

iron bone
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I thought the 5000 would smoke a 4090 too, but that's not what I'm finding

heady fulcrum
iron bone
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The chips are almost identical, it's just a power draw difference

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Multiple tests from multiple sources, productivity, to synthetic, to gaming... 4090 wins em all. Again, with a 200w advantage.
Same chip, different tdp, memory and price tag. Dang they want all the money for ada5000

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The words no one thought would ever be spoken, "that 4090 is looking like a bargan"

heady fulcrum
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but i think the gap is rather small on mobile

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From what i could find its about 2%

iron bone
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True, but $2000 price gap...

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Why I'm recommending the MSI i9 4090 to our OP friend redacted

heady fulcrum
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Thats business "tax", the precision line-up is made for business with good support and awesome warranty.

heady fulcrum
iron bone
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That can be huge.
The value of nerd support (talking about us) is strong.
Being able to get good support when minutes are mega dollars is huge

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Never forget

heady fulcrum
iron bone
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Anything proprietary rattles me bones.

heady fulcrum
iron bone
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Essential yes... 😔😢

silk girder
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Ok semi lost

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What was the conclusion here

ornate pewter
iron bone
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Run it in the peak efficiency power profile mode in windows to avoid heat.
Nvidia is releasing a tool to auto undervolt your gpu very soon. Undervolting the GPU helps to prevent excessive heat issues.

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@silk girder
It's easy to detune a machine to make less heat, it's very hard to find extra performance.
You can turn the i9 4090 down to make less heat and still get amazing class leading performance.

With the Macbook, you literally get what you get. Overpriced and underperforming, but pretty and "simple" to use.
"Simple" as in you can't tune it and have no options, so all the decisions have been made for you.

heady fulcrum
iron bone
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They do in some case, not going to argue that.
This labtop is their flagship model and it won quite a few awards.
Reviews on it look pretty good...

clear hawk
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@silk girder just get an ITX PC

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With portable moniter

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Something like this

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Shit ton faster