#Is it wise to consider upgrading?

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tidal lake
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I built my PC in 2021 and I have the parts listed in the pic;

And a Ryzen 5 5600x as well as a 3060ti. Lately I've been playing some modded Skyrim (classic) and I've noticed that since I have only 16gb of RAM (2x 8gb DDR4-3600) that I occasionally run out of / very low on memory which can cause issues.

16gb has been more than enough for longer than I expected but over time there's been more and more use cases with issues.

Now, if I do end up upgrading, the question really is: how far do I need to? The 3060ti is still doing great, and I could upgrade, but I figure once the 5000 series comes around it'll be a better time for GPUs. Cycling back to the RAM itself, well, if I'm not mistaken, my MSI B550-A Pro mobo supports only up to DDR4-4400, which isn't too modern. But my CPU (R5 5600X) supports a max speed of even lower than that, no?

So am I in a case where if I'd want any notable upgrade I'd have to do my CPU and motherboard as well as RAM to get a noticeable difference (aside from just not running out, isn't it a waste if I dont get a speed improvement if I'm going through the trouble anyways?) Is that even worth it? Or would it be better to just get a 32gb setup of similar RAM that I already have and leave it at that? I'm helping a friend build a computer if their own using the current pcpartpicker "Excellent AMD Guide" (https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/BCWG3C/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build) and considering it's about in the same tier of PC as mine was (minus GPU scalper prices), I can't help but notice how inferior my current build seems on paper. So what would you guys do? I could afford to upgrade I guess, but should I? And how far? I'm using that linked build guide as a baseline in terms of what I'd "expect" to be a modernized variant of my current PC. Thoughts?

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Excellent AMD Gaming/Streaming Build - PCPartPicker

Excellent AMD Gaming/Streaming Build

tropic yacht
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i would say if you can get 2 more 8gb sticks to make it 32 in total if it is a ram issue then thats a simple n easy fix to it

tidal lake
tropic yacht
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fyi the mobo in the list is matx

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shit would look like a prebuilt from a random ebay seller

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but everything is fine i say if you want it go for it do the ""future proofing"" even tho your cpu is still chosen by many to this day

tidal lake
# tropic yacht shit would look like a prebuilt from a random ebay seller

i have a pretty darkened glass panel on my case and my pc is tucked away so aside from aesthetics it'd still be perfectly functional right? and yeah the CPU isn't bad at all but the fact that it puts a straight up hard limit on what RAM i can have is a little sad no? how "future proof" would this mobo be?

tropic yacht
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it would function as normal as if the mobo was atx, was just wondering if it was gonan be visible to for all to see but if not then its fine

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so the ram speed limit is down the which mobo you have in the system as the 5600x can have up to 4400MHz max & the mobo in the pcpp list is ig ""future proof"" enough for things but if you ever decide to upgrade the sotrage capacity and dont want to use sata then it'd be good to think about upgrading the mobo itself sometime down the line when you want to get more things and have more options

tidal lake
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also pcpartpicker says that my case USB-C has a usb 3.2 gen1 on it and it'd need a gen2 to 1 adapter. i checked the site for the specs on the mobo and it shows this so would i even need an adapter? also is the chipset section whats on the board itself and the cpu section what sticks out the back of the PC? in which case would this be okay with my case?

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tropic yacht
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its sufficient, wasnt sure how many it had not too familiar with matx boards, also with the usb c 3.2 gen1 i think pcpp is just having a heart attack with some things like its possible it hasnt been updated on pcpp where as on the actual site it shows it has support through the header on the board

tidal lake
# tropic yacht its sufficient, wasnt sure how many it had not too familiar with matx boards, al...

so if this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cczDRK would be the updated list to account for parts replaced in my build, does that look good to you? and would you say it's an overall good "future proofing" / worthwhile upgrade for the price spent? I'd probably get a new GPU once the 5000 series comes thru depending on how that all looks

Part List - AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, GeForce RTX 3060 Ti, Corsair iCUE 40...

Part List - AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, GeForce RTX 3060 Ti, Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB ATX Mid Tower

mystic umbra
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Sup

tropic yacht
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everything there seems fine, if you want real "future proof" then may i suggest a ryzen 7 7700 or 7700x for only around 40 or 50 bucks more, 7700 is cheaper with a bit slower base and boost clock than the 7700x but its the same as 7600x and 7600 whereas the 7600 is just a tiny bit slower but cheaper if not thens tick with the 7600x and youll be fine

tidal lake
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i was actually just about to ask if a slightly better cpu would be worth it considering im already changing the mobo to support am5

mystic umbra
tropic yacht
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could start off with the current processor then upgrade one by opne down the line, nothing wrong with your current one tho

mystic umbra
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And that motherboard isn't great can you get a board for 160$?

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Also you can get a 7500F for 130$ on AliExpress

tidal lake
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is my current cpu even compatible with new mobo? since i'm currently rocking a ryzen 5 5600x, i figure if i need a new mobo for better RAM my cpu also should feel a little snappier. granted i dont have many issues with my current one so it doesn't have to be overkill

tropic yacht
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your current cpu is am4 whilst the new mobo is am5 so no it wont be compatible, what you could do is spend a bit more for a new am4 board one that supports faster ram and then buy a new kit with faster clocks, may be better upgrading to am5 but its up to you, theres options

tidal lake
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mystic umbra
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mystic umbra
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Yeah 5700X3D

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tropic yacht
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5700x3d, 5800x3d, 5800xt when it comes out, 5900x3d so on, the ryzen 9 one wont be useful in the majority of games more so of server hosting and other similar applications

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tidal lake
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does the 5700x3d even support much higher ram speed?

mystic umbra
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This is how they are ment to be

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tidal lake
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and hm yeah i mean it seems i'd have to upgrade the board no matter what to get a noteworthy ram improvement aside from just size

tropic yacht
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if there set at cl30 not really

tidal lake
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so with what @mystic umbra was saying does that mean my revised list is more mid than i thought? or would you still say it's okay? i feel like there's always "something better" ig but i'd probably really have to scratch my head finding it all and ensuring it's alright

tropic yacht
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it wont make a significant difference between the two timings, may make it a lil bit faster as in feel faster but on a day to day basis you most likely wont notice anything

tidal lake
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so would you say it's even worth minmaxxing my revised list any further? and/or getting a non m-atx mobo?

tropic yacht
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if its not gonna be noticeable as in mobo size no point it has what you need on it works fine then yea keep it, ram timings dont matter as its a tiny difference like not noticeable unless your really looking out for it, you may do as you wish

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most (not all) am5 atx boards cost a fortune for no reason so in some instances going with an matx board is better

tidal lake
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and i did notice the atx boards were notably more expensive for.. not too big of a difference

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as long as u can reassure me that it's not a regrettable decision in terms of overall improvement then i'm okay with it not being minmaxxed

tropic yacht
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the jump from am4 to am5 imo isnt that interesting the only things your getting is faster ram and like a Gighert faster cpu then pcie 5 m.2 ssds and pcie 5 gpu slotd

tidal lake
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oh that being said considering my SSDs are kinda mid they'd still work fine slotted in there until i one day get better ones right? pcpp didn't seem to complain but looking at it now i can tell they were never that impressive to begin with

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i presume the slots are backwards compatible

tropic yacht
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they'll work fine but at the the speeds they are at rn, think of it as usb a, usb 2.0 inside of a usb 3.0 slot will only run at 2.0 speeds and vice versa but for ssd's

tidal lake
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well yeah i dont expect them to be any faster than they are rn but so long as they still work as expected then i can cross that bridge when i come to it

tropic yacht
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is aid that wrong, usb 3.0 inside of a 2.0 slot will run at 2.0 speeds

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tidal lake
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well it sounds like if i'm looking to actually upgrade that my revised list i linked is good enough for my purposes - thanks for the reassurances

tropic yacht
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ehe it is, the mobo he has is limiting the ram speed

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i done research before answering

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tropic yacht
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no ones an expert only you as its your build so only you know what you want

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tidal lake
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both lmao

mystic umbra
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That's why you are here

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mystic umbra
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I know pretty much every meta part for mini maxing

mystic umbra
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Not MHz

tropic yacht
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im using the term most use

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tropic yacht
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means the same at the end of the day

mystic umbra
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But 5600X sure as hell won't run 4400 MHz without overclocking

tidal lake
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at the end of the day i just want it to be a justifiable and noticeable improvement for the price spent - and ik i could probably work within the constraints of am4 and whatnot but i'll have to eventually cross that bridge anyways ig

mystic umbra
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3600 MHz is about as high it goes unless you win the silicon lottery

tidal lake
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i could def do better with the budget too but i doubt it'd be as noticeable as from where i am now to where i would be after my lil revised list

mystic umbra
tidal lake
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currently the b550-a pro

mystic umbra
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And what ram?

tidal lake
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it's in the pic i can repost it bc scrolling is annoying

mystic umbra
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@tidal lake are you running the sticks in proper dual channel?

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tidal lake
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this is me currently + ryzen 5 5600x + 3060ti

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tidal lake
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it was pretty good as well as its latency and whatnot but i figure it's kinda old news atp

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i don't mind a modern refresh and i could always juice more down the line so long as im "modernized" enough to be able to do so

tropic yacht
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msi boards iirc are a2 b2 which is first and third slots

tidal lake
mystic umbra
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--

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Tf

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Nvm

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Discord being dum

tidal lake
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it's 2x8gb i think i have it staggered i havent opened up my pc in a hot minute tho lmao

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staggered as in --

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oh u right lmao

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-_-_

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LOL

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tidal lake
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yeah that

mystic umbra
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Is it like that?

tropic yacht
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discords shortcuts for things

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hello

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its tilted

tidal lake
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yes it certainly is

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w rizz formatting

tropic yacht
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i got 2 dead LEDs on this keyboard n its only a month old this is rough

tidal lake
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but yeah as long as my list works dunno seems like anything too diff from that would be a hassle

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dw i switched from my $150 keyboard to a 20 dollar one lmao

tropic yacht
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idk how much this costs in usd

tidal lake
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blackwidow chroma v1 < random $15 keyboard off amazon :c

mystic umbra
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Ryzen's performance falls on a mountain if the ram config isn't just right

tropic yacht
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$168 it cost womp womp for me it still works just 2 leds are dead

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tidal lake
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damn they wont let u send it back either?

tropic yacht
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nah im past the return window

tidal lake
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tidal lake
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and well before i forget is there anything else i should know or be wary of or just stfu and get that list and be done with it

tropic yacht
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amazons return window anyway, n warranty idk, idrc either just sucks it only lasted a month before something like this happened

tidal lake
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and you mentioned i wouldnt have an issue with the usb-c header right

tropic yacht
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shouldnt be an issue if it states on gigabytes site that there is indeed a header

tidal lake
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yeah I have literally only 2 USB ports on the front (top) of my case so losing even 1 of them would be an L ☠️ granted because it's USB-C I actually use my old Samsung phone USB-C adapter so I can plug in my regular peripherals ☠️☠️

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In any case I appreciate the time you've taken to help out and set my mind at ease

tropic yacht
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if i where to be wrong with my judgements then adapters are not expensive but heres hoping pcpp just wasnt updated

tidal lake
tropic yacht
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yea your fine i checked all the usb headers on there

tidal lake
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so no need to worry about it or my case? gotcha. alrighty then I guess that'll probably be that then huh

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don't think there's any other considerations I'd have to make when switching my mobos right - I've never upgraded a mobo itself I've only ever done so by making entirely new build

tropic yacht
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to upgrade a mobo just disconnect everything and remove all the parts from it and slap em on the new one KEK think of it as a lego set, swapping pieces

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thats all pc building is just electrical lego

tidal lake
tropic yacht
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ehhh thats not as common as some may think, it may ask for it but most likely itll just work fine

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if your license is connected through a microsoft account then no need to worry, my current ssd i had in an old system diff mobo and put it into my current one and never got asked

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as i have my license connected through my account

tidal lake
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should just work then yeah fair enough

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good to know good to know cheers

tropic yacht
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no worries

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if you have anymore questions or issues once you have the new build up n running feel free to ping me or send a dm n ill respond as soon as i can

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im the scottish tech support

tidal lake
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W Scotland

tropic yacht
tidal lake
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actually as a closing question I did have a friend say that the Ryzen 5 7600x, while an AM5, isn't so much better enough over my r5 5600x. was he yappin? or is it still a fair enough improvement at the price point for the switch to AM5 overall?

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on paper it seemed decent enough to be noticeable

mystic umbra