FINAL CHECKS

[shadow ledge]

Mid memory

And You can get 2tb for that much

Also theres cheaper psu that does the same job if not better

And you dont get windows for full price

• 7800x3d exists

[marble citrus]

If he's not just gaming, 14700k is a far faster CPU

[shadow ledge]

No

Its not

[valid sandal]

i agree...

[shadow ledge]

"far better"

And what exactly are you doing that requires an intel chip

Also where are you even from

[valid sandal]

forgot to mention already have the psu got it for around 99€

[novel light]

it is way faster

[shadow ledge]

Its not💀

[shadow ledge]

Ok

[novel light]

850w is tight but with some limitations to the parts will work

[shadow ledge]

@valid sandal

[valid sandal]

Which m.2 would be better (and reliable)

[shadow ledge]

Are you gonna answer the questions or what

[valid sandal]

why does it matter?

[shadow ledge]

It matters so i can suggest you better options???

Its not rocket science mate

[marble citrus]

In multicore loads you're looking at up to 56% faster performance, single core you're seeing up to 15% faster performance.

AMD completely hinges on having a schiiton of cache

[shadow ledge]

Wheres bro getting these numbers grom

[marble citrus]

Cinebench

[shadow ledge]

Show me

[marble citrus]

https://www.trustedreviews.com/versus/intel-core-i7-14700k-vs-amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-4510266

[valid sandal]

brother, calm down. I personally prefer intel in my own experience

[marble citrus]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/14700k-vs-7800x3d

[shadow ledge]

Ab yes trusted reviews

[shadow ledge]

Your experience doesn't mean go for worse cpu💀 are you actually gonna answer the question or stay ducking

[novel light]

worse???

fucking amd fans

ong

[shadow ledge]

Obviously

[valid sandal]

[marble citrus]

I was saying if he's doing anything other than gaming, 14700k is a far faster CPU

7800X3D hinges on having that 3d cache for gaming, sucks at everything else

[shadow ledge]

No it's fuckin not you realise theres some other softwares that are better on amd right

[novel light]

you said it right, "some"

[shadow ledge]

Yes and it matters💀

[marble citrus]

And far more run better on Intel just due to maturity

your point?

[shadow ledge]

My point is he might not need intel💀

[valid sandal]

i do like 50/50 gaming and workload

[shadow ledge]

Theres a reason hes not answering the question lmao

Pure bias

[marble citrus]

And meanwhile you're riding AMD saying that it's a better CPU in every way

when 14700k comes close in gaming and destroys it in productivity

[shadow ledge]

And also destroys in power consumption 🤣🤣

[shadow ledge]

Ok what software

[novel light]

why would you care?

[shadow ledge]

Why do you care

[novel light]

i dont care about his software

[marble citrus]

you're spending 3k Eur with a 4090 in the system

[shadow ledge]

Ok piss off then buddy

[novel light]

??? why mad

only because its 3v1

[valid sandal]

Blender, adobe, unity, VsCode and some other stuff im forgetting

[shadow ledge]

Im not mad lmao

[shadow ledge]

What "adobe"

Theres not a single adobe

[marble citrus]

adobe creative cloud

is just adobe

[novel light]

you do like compiling?

[valid sandal]

premiere, photoshop

[shadow ledge]

Ok

[valid sandal]

i have all of them

[marble citrus]

creative suite*

[valid sandal]

yes

[novel light]

yeah you def want intel

[versed forge]

The hell is going on here

[marble citrus]

yikes.

[valid sandal]

someone took it too seriously

[marble citrus]

Vegeta riding AMD and me telling him he's wrong

[shadow ledge]

So go for 7950x then💀

[marble citrus]

anyway I'd try to get some DDR5 6000, and grab a different SSD. 990 Pro is kinda overkill for any system really.

[valid sandal]

Anyways... Should I change the m.2 or is it fine? I just want fast storage

[versed forge]

Well I have have you know that @novel light IS NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, he has VERY extreme biases for intel and nvidia

[valid sandal]

does the intel chip support ddr5 6000? it always shows 5600

[shadow ledge]

Dude still didn't say where hes from💀

[marble citrus]

Yea

[marble citrus]

it doesn't matter does it

[shadow ledge]

Yes it fucking does

[marble citrus]

Euros should say enough

[shadow ledge]

Are you stupid

[shadow ledge]

No it doesn't

Theres multiple countries that use euro

[versed forge]

Well change the ram to 6400mhz CL 32, the SSD to WD Black sn850X, and the PSU to ADATA XPG CORE REACTOR 2 1000 Watts

[shadow ledge]

Hes not from us, i doubt cr2 is available lmao

[marble citrus]

more than multiple... closer to 20 LOL

majority of EU countries use Euro

[shadow ledge]

Just makes your argument even worse

💀

[novel light]

Cry about it 🤓

[versed forge]

@valid sandal country?

[marble citrus]

the market is nearly the same across it because of EU regulations

[valid sandal]

forgot to mention i have the listed PSU already

[valid sandal]

Finland

[shadow ledge]

There we go

[versed forge]

Oh ok

[versed forge]

🔺

[marble citrus]

DDR5 6400 is fine, CL doesn't matter. SN850x I somewhat disagree with, SSDs like KC3000, P44 Pro/P41 Plat, etc. are better

there's a lot of good PSUs

an RMx, Core reactor 2, etc. they all work

just grab 850w+

[versed forge]

Asus ROG PSU is dumm

[valid sandal]

it was cheap when i got it so

[versed forge]

Really?

[marble citrus]

If it works it works

[versed forge]

ROG stuff is normaly Overpriced

[valid sandal]

it was like 90€

[marble citrus]

oh that's... cheap

[versed forge]

Ohhh dammm

That's good

[marble citrus]

That'll do

anyway yea just swap out the ram and SSD and you're good to go

[versed forge]

🔺 👍

[marble citrus]

your motherboard QVL

2 sticks single ranked can do 7200mhz stable, but your CPU will likely be limited at about 6400

[shadow ledge]

@valid sandal what do you already own again?

The psu and what else?

[valid sandal]

GPU and PSU

[shadow ledge]

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/HtB8gB

Ok

Under 3300 and superior 🤷‍♂️

[versed forge]

@valid sandal is electricity expensive where you live?

If yes NO DO get intel

[valid sandal]

included in my rent lmao

so basically 0

[shadow ledge]

^^^

Doesn't matter, 7950x superior

[versed forge]

Well intel is going to act like a small space heater which I think is good? Maybe

[versed forge]

🔺

[valid sandal]

it's good for the winter

[versed forge]

If you want a space heater then go intel

[valid sandal]

G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32

[versed forge]

AMD is actually power efficient lol

[versed forge]

Looks good

[shadow ledge]

My dude i included the ram in the list

[marble citrus]

Ripjaws S5 is better

[shadow ledge]

6400 32 might run unstable on amd. 6000>

[shadow ledge]

Please explain

[marble citrus]

Although... See if you cna get Flare X5 instead of Ripjaws S5

[versed forge]

🔺 6400 MHz only on intel

[valid sandal]

i'm ordering everything from the same website, so Flare might not be available

[valid sandal]

there is flare 6000mhz but not 6400

[shadow ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[marble citrus]

That should do, 7950x doesn't like ram speeds over 6000

Flare X5 comes with EXPO profiles rather than XMP of Ripjaws and Vengeance

EXPO is the AMD version, basically

[versed forge]

@valid sandal I you don't get it, GET THE Ryzen 9 7950x

[valid sandal]

x3d or just x

[marble citrus]

also yea given 7950x is 100eur cheaper than it should be, that's your best option right now

[marble citrus]

what's the price difference?

[shadow ledge]

X performs better on productivity

[marble citrus]

x performs better on productivity solely due to clocks

[shadow ledge]

Oh wow I didn't know thanks!!!

[marble citrus]

but 1MB L2 cache per core is really bad

[valid sandal]

like 70€ difference, but they're both out of stock too

[marble citrus]

lmfao

how soon do you need the system

[marble citrus]

I just looked over the list to find out why is it so much cheaper

1. no windows license
2. that's a cheap 4090 compared to what OP had

the majority of the difference is in the price of the 4090

[shadow ledge]

1st, you dont need to pay for windows
2nd, if he paid more hes stupid.

[marble citrus]

it's more than the price difference of the 14700k and 7950x and thus you fit the 7950x in because of that

I'm just as surprised though, he may just be using american pricing

[shadow ledge]

Also its the same msi ventus wdym?

[marble citrus]

in the original post he said that the 4090 he has is worth 3k USD

[valid sandal]

just what the hell is "ThermalGroup"

[marble citrus]

that's about what, 2600eur?

the 4090 you have in the list is 1700eur

[shadow ledge]

No

[valid sandal]

if i exclude the gpu and psu (which i already own) the price im looking at is 1050€

[marble citrus]

4090 at $2928

[shadow ledge]

2928 rupees

[marble citrus]

he's using sites like B&H, it's USD.

also Rupee uses a different symbol no?

[shadow ledge]

I know.

Its a joke

[marble citrus]

and that would be like a million rupee or smth

but yea no that's why your list was under 3300

if you had an equivalent pricing for the 4090 you'd be 1k over

lmao

[shadow ledge]

No.

Holy you're actually that slow

[valid sandal]

y'all just love to argue

[marble citrus]

oop nvm not 1k. 500

[shadow ledge]

I dont think he actually counted 2.6k euros for the gpu on that 3.3k euros lmfao

[marble citrus]

1k for the rest of the system is pretty reasonable though

Cooler is 100, Ram is 100ish, CPU is 300, motherboard is 200

etc.

oh wait

[shadow ledge]

Not with windows license

[marble citrus]

what is going on

[shadow ledge]

14700k costs how much?

Like 400

Psu 100

Windows 149 ( thats what he said)

[marble citrus]

I'm so confused now yea

[shadow ledge]

He'd be over 3.3k himself

[marble citrus]

unless he meant 1.9k USD for the 4090?

but that's the normal used price and the msrp is 2500usd

I give up not my problem

[shadow ledge]

💀

Lmao

[valid sandal]

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/qctw28

i already have the gpu

so the gpu price is irrelevant

[shadow ledge]

Ok

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/HtB8gB just get this

[marble citrus]

k so you have gpu and psu

[marble citrus]

This is so weird

[shadow ledge]

What is

[marble citrus]

7950x price is supposed to be 650eur

[valid sandal]

i dont like the case choise there, also dont need more fans

[marble citrus]

it's 550 somehow

but the entire system price difference is fairly negligible

[valid sandal]

i dont want glass panels

[marble citrus]

no the case is fine

it's the motherboard + CPU that's being talked about

[shadow ledge]

???

Whats wrong with the case

Also yes you do need more fans if you get the case in my list

[marble citrus]

he doesn't want glass panel

[shadow ledge]

Damn dude

Why not see what you paid for, disappointing

[valid sandal]

what's the point

[marble citrus]

I get it, glass panels become disgusting

and Focus 2 comes with two 140mm fans

If you can snag the 7950x at 550 eur it's a great deal

[valid sandal]

the i7 would be 150€ cheaper...

[marble citrus]

the i7 is about 100eur cheaper because the motherboard also costs more

again, up to you if you want to spend that money

[shadow ledge]

Also perform worse

[valid sandal]

Im probably still going intel

[shadow ledge]

• a dead platform

[valid sandal]

it's not ablout life and death

[shadow ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[marble citrus]

I don't think you'd upgrade to anything if you get either platform

[shadow ledge]

Might do later if you get 7950x🤷‍♂️

In 10 years

Or wtv lmao

[marble citrus]

7950x is plenty fast and you're only getting a generation or two newer CPUs?

[valid sandal]

both socets are dead 100%

[shadow ledge]

No.

[marble citrus]

I mean realistically 100eur is a couple nice dates and could be worth saving

I don't know Allu's lifestyle or anything

just laying out the options

[valid sandal]

100€ is nothing 🙏

[marble citrus]

LOL

Also chasing the bleeding edge really... ehh

[shadow ledge]

If 100 is nothing

Why tf would you not get something that'll help you in the long run

[marble citrus]

It's marginal

[shadow ledge]

Ok???

By that logic you dont need anything better than a 7600

[marble citrus]

Long run in economics means there are no fixed variables, anything can change

[valid sandal]

im gonna use the setup for like 7 years and buy an entirely new one anyways

[marble citrus]

yea exactly that

in the long run, you may not even run the same platform

hell in the long run AMD might even go out of business and some other company takes its place

you never know

[shadow ledge]

Literally eats the 14700k

[marble citrus]

if 14700k works for him now, then let it be

[marble citrus]

and 7800x3d would've performed worse than the 7700x here

[shadow ledge]

No

[marble citrus]

yes

[shadow ledge]

They are similar

[marble citrus]

doesn't 7700x have higher clocks than the 7800x3d?

[valid sandal]

idk man, intel better support

maybe i'll try amd next gen

[shadow ledge]

Wow so much worse

[marble citrus]

It's worse, and look at where 14700k would be

compare the % differences in performance and price

[shadow ledge]

Slightly above 13700k Lmfao

[marble citrus]

yep exactly

so the point is that

[shadow ledge]

So the point is spend 150 on windows but not for the cpu upgrade

Well wtv i give up Lmfao

[marble citrus]

for the same price basically as the 7800x3d, you could get a 14700k that performs much better, and spending more you're in the curve of diminishing returns

[marble citrus]

I mean a single windows 7 pro license has carried my ass for... 14 years now?

[valid sandal]

vegeta ruined AMD for me ngl

[shadow ledge]

MAS exists

[marble citrus]

vegeta didn't

any fanboy did

[shadow ledge]

Every brand has fanboys

Doesn't mean you shouldn't get either lmao

[valid sandal]

also why are we talking about the OS i have windows 11

[shadow ledge]

Guess you paid 150 for that too

[valid sandal]

it's linked to my ms account from like 2014

[shadow ledge]

Nice

[marble citrus]

xd