🦋The legend of the SFF productivity workstation laptop? ❤

[rapid temple]

Just get the msi prestige we know our shit

[lusty wharf]

i really want 32GB tbh

[manic tapir]

another reason the prestige is the best laptop

[rapid temple]

No fr

I have a good reccomendation acc

Wait

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-prestige-13-oled-laptop-intel-evo-edition-intel-core-ultra-7-intel-arc-graphics-with-32gb-memory-1tb-ssd-stellar-gray/6568904.p?skuId=6568904

Wow

Yay

Hoorah

Laptop

[lusty wharf]

okay so lets imagine league of legends for a second now.

how much of a factor does the igpu play or a shitty dedicated gpu play into it if you have an ultra core cpu with 16-32GB ram?

[rapid temple]

Ok so right of the bat. Igpu is good but never dgpu good

[lusty wharf]

like if i have an overpowered cpu ram combo will it make up for the igpu being an igpu?

[rapid temple]

4060/4070 will shit on thr best igpus by like 2-3x

[lusty wharf]

exactly. i knew about this.

[manic tapir]

That’s what it was before right?

[rapid temple]

But for league

[rapid temple]

Yep

But for league

It's plenty

[lusty wharf]

which is why when i hear about some laptops having a shitty dgpu. its a little exciting. but yeah again its just league

[manic tapir]

Yes

[rapid temple]

The 155h has =/ perf 780m

And 780m I have

It works fine

[lusty wharf]

so like a 4050 is overkill then

[manic tapir]

Arc is not the same as Intel UHD

[rapid temple]

And is amazing on battery

[rapid temple]

4050 is shit don't buy that

[lusty wharf]

arc is dgpu right

[rapid temple]

No

Igpu

But good igpu

[lusty wharf]

ohh

[manic tapir]

Just buy the damn prestige

[rapid temple]

Yeah fr it's perfec for ur usage

It's gonna do fine on web browisng

Emails

And league

[manic tapir]

You. Will. Not. Find. Better.

[rapid temple]

But don't buy laptop if you don't have to

I really will push for a desktop laptop setup

Both

[manic tapir]

Wanting more ram, more performance, and smaller size is reason to upgrade

[rapid temple]

1250$ pc for power usage and a 1250$ laptop is better

[rapid temple]

Well I'm not against upgrading

But, I'd advise instead of 3k 4k get like a laptop decent one

And pick up a desktop

[manic tapir]

Oh yeah, 100%

[rapid temple]

Stubborn 13yo me was against this and I really regretted it

[lusty wharf]

cant we at least find like 4 other options that come close to the prestige?

the xps 14 does but its way overpriced

[manic tapir]

Nothing comes close. Except the one asus one that’s exactly the same for $100 more

[rapid temple]

Xps 14 is shite

[rapid temple]

You really don't want to buy a msi huh

[lusty wharf]

no i actually do

im just careful

[rapid temple]

Your the kind of person a Mac may suit

[lusty wharf]

ive also never bought a laptop before

[rapid temple]

Well no league

[lusty wharf]

they were always bought for me

[rapid temple]

So nvm

[lusty wharf]

you can play league on mac

and actually yes! ive been wanting to become a power user that does both for a bit now

[rapid temple]

You can waste your time. But I'm sorry we aren't going to help you when you can't listen to thr fact that there is nothing. We have lives too

[rapid temple]

Then a desktop

Get a desktop

And

[lusty wharf]

i really wanted the apple 13 mini but it was overpriced tbh. i think the zenphone is probably better

[manic tapir]

In a van?

[rapid temple]

They in a van?

Oh I'm so confused

[manic tapir]

Yes

[rapid temple]

I thought they were a student

[lusty wharf]

i will be. im saving up for it

they are even more expensive

student too actually

[rapid temple]

Wait

R u planning on doing cellular

For your devices

[lusty wharf]

im in a better headspace than i was back last summer

im probably going to do the on the go wifi.

[manic tapir]

Anyway. All i have to say is that the prestige is your best bet and stop wasting your time

[lusty wharf]

people have gotten it and apparently its surprisingly good

[manic tapir]

Toodles

[lusty wharf]

but ill also probably take advantage of public wifi and friends wifi

[rapid temple]

It's not. That's going to be your limiting factor 9/10 times

[manic tapir]

Could get starlink

[lusty wharf]

yeah

that was the plan

[rapid temple]

Was gonna say this

Starlink roam

[lusty wharf]

but i need to look into all that later

ive played league on shit wifi before so im not too worried

[rapid temple]

Then get a desktop If van life

[lusty wharf]

i will. its doable

[rapid temple]

Sff desktop

It's ez.

[lusty wharf]

i was thinking about it

[rapid temple]

I'd reccomend that any day

[lusty wharf]

we worked on a build but i couldnt decide on the case and i got real caught up at work

[rapid temple]

And get a nice 27in moniter wall mount and your chillin

[lusty wharf]

still going to tho 100%

[rapid temple]

I'll build you one. What's budget

[manic tapir]

New thread plz lol

[rapid temple]

And theme

[lusty wharf]

but if i dont get a laptop. ill have to go to the library to do pc research lmao

[rapid temple]

Like color

[lusty wharf]

or use my phone lmao

[rapid temple]

It's called sff it's fine

[lusty wharf]

pink theme

[manic tapir]

???

[lusty wharf]

yeah we will wait on the desktop. but you can add me on discord and message me

i love meeting new people

[rapid temple]

The yap of of yap sff productivity yap

Title

[lusty wharf]

lmao

back to the laptop

[rapid temple]

Msi

Prestige

13

Evo

[lusty wharf]

im going to look into igpus briefly to just compare them

[rapid temple]

Ez

[manic tapir]

Stop

Just stop

[lusty wharf]

LOL

i want to know what you guys know

how do you guys know what a good igpu is lol

[manic tapir]

You. are. wasting. your. time.

[rapid temple]

Benchmarks and hours

[rapid temple]

Not our problem anymore

We did our job

[lusty wharf]

nah i mean you guys have them memorized

[rapid temple]

Ima dip

[manic tapir]

Computers are our passion

[manic tapir]

Same

Have fun dream

[lusty wharf]

ttyl

im passionate too lol

[tawny valley]

I get all my knowledge by knowing how to use Google effectively. (No joke - my current job "required" a Comp Sci degree and 2 years experience doing sysadmin work, neither of which I have. Instead, I just think critically and can find information online.) My go-to resource for laptop reviews is usually notebookcheck.net

[lusty wharf]

i use a lot of google and copilot

but i havent found any good comparison tool for igpus

cause its also like you dont wannt click on some random site. its hit or miss sometimes. especially like userbenchmark

but i love passmark. i will go to bat for them

i just dont know if i can find igpus on passmark

but honestly whatever igpu i get might not matter at all

it would seem the big 3 laptop brands are Lenovo Dell and then HP

for market share

kind of odd, Lenovo kind of came out of no where for me. i always though Dell had the highest

most popular display resolution is 1920 x 1080 followed by 2560 x 1440 but 3840 x 2160 is increasing

idk if i need 3840 x 2160 res tho on a 13in laptop

i also like this one.

so basically 4 is probably just silly. 2 is surprisingly high. which is expected only cause of the memes and then 3 is rare.

almost 2/3rds of the market has windows 11 now. that's crazy. ik its the new os but im still on windows 10

so hopefully windows 11 comes preinstalled on this new laptop

okay now i can see a little more about laptop cpus

so why is everything named differently

like with HX eetc

wow the 155h really does score well damn

[lusty wharf]

wait what about a copilot+ laptop??

what the heck is a NPU?

igpu benchmark

so it seems amd igpus are considered better

but does this mean nvidia makes their own igpus too

[lusty wharf]

finding real benchmarks for apu/igpus has been hard

but the consensus seems to be

intel hd graphics and uhd graphics suck
intel iris is okay ish
amd apus are king.
especially 5000G or something
and something about RDNA whatever that is

OHHH

intel arc is dedicated and integrated

so theres the intel arc dgpus which are just okay compared to other dgpus. but priced well i think
but ig they named their igpus intel arc too. and intel arc might be better than iris

why do some people call them IGPs lmao

instead of igpu

apparently a lot of people are really hopeful for IGPs because they keep baiting titles with "death of GPUs" lol

and whats up with mobo IGPs vs cpu IGPs?

[manic tapir]

wdym

[lusty wharf]

apparently sometimes the igpu is apart of the cpu--which ive known about for a long time--but today i found out that some igpus are directly apart of the mobo instead of the cpu

[manic tapir]

yeah, ancient cpus have that

[lusty wharf]

and i am just wondering what differences this causes

[manic tapir]

means no matter the cpu, your pc with a given motherboard will be able to display

and you do not need to worry about it

[lusty wharf]

i feel like cpu igps are better cause they are closer to the cpu obviously. while mobo igps are maybe worse but maybe the chip is closer to the memory storage so idk.

[manic tapir]

definitely better to be on die with the cpu

[lusty wharf]

OHHH yeah that's the big diff

that is convenient having the igp on the mobo

[manic tapir]

eh

pros and cons to both

[lusty wharf]

or just having an igp on the mobo and the cpu

but ive never seen a mobo that mentioned an igp on it when i looked at desktop pcs

maybe its just a laptop thing

[manic tapir]

its from like am3 and before

[lusty wharf]

in which case probably not stacking up on double igps lol

[manic tapir]

or pentium lmao

[manic tapir]

definitely not. it was only ever on motherboard or on cpu, not both

[lusty wharf]

i also just found where passmark kept all their igp benchmarks

i only found it after cause they prefer to use IGP as the terminology or laptop gpu instead of igpu or apu.

even though they are all really the same thing.

but ig igp gets around amds weird technical apu definition

[manic tapir]

intel has apus as well though

[lusty wharf]

to just lump them all so that everyone knows what they are talking about

OHH

[manic tapir]

well

not officially

[lusty wharf]

but yeah ig IGP is the umbrella term basically

not a big deal. everyone will know what your talking about for the most part

[manic tapir]

AMD created apu specifically for their cpus with integrated graphics, but now it's a blanket term

[lusty wharf]

oh another big reason i couldnt find anything was cause

intel HD and UHD IGPs are so bad they didnt even make it onto the list.

and only iris barely made it onto the bottom.

[tawny valley]

Ah yes, the Acceptable Accelerated Processing Unit. I joke I joke. APUs have their place.

[manic tapir]

z1 extreme? basically every competent gaming handheld lol

[lusty wharf]

im just going to double check a couple things and get a better idea of these IGPs. the msi probably has a good IGP too which should be more than capable of running league

[manic tapir]

yes

[lusty wharf]

GN released a couple benches for IGPs and said the same thing. to basically avoid intel IGPs when possible. but i think this was before the arc IGP

saying HD and UHD basically suck lol

[manic tapir]

yeah

yeah

solely for displaying an image for office work and such

[tawny valley]

Not gonna lie... the Iris Xe Graphics on my i5-12500H Lenovo are a million times better than any integrated graphics from yesteryear. Intel used to do UHD integrated, but now they offer UHD, Iris Xe / Pro, and Arc series in many Ultrabooks. My laptop kicks its fans into NOISE mode, but can run Overwatch and Rocket League as well as my desktop with an RTX2060, albeit at slightly lower settings.

[manic tapir]

yeah, iris for the most part has replaced uhd in laptops (12th and 13th gen at least afaik)

and arc for the newest core ultra

[lusty wharf]

i completely agree. articles seemed somewhat positive on iris xe vs iris plus. and when comparing it to my current intel HD graphics. the worst of them all. i was able to absolutely push that thing to its limits these past 10 years

so im sure ill be happy with an intel arc IGP

[manic tapir]

yes

now buy the damn prestige (x2)

[lusty wharf]

https://www.msi.com/Business-Productivity/Prestige-13-AI-Evo-A1MX

[manic tapir]

^

[lusty wharf]

wait so this msi IS a NPU

or counts as one

[manic tapir]

no

it has an npu on the cpu

all the core ultra notebook cpus do

[lusty wharf]

im trying to find the exact igp version

[lusty wharf]

i only just found out about npus today

im not really sure what they are outside of neural processing unit

but the unit advertises the AI part of it. so im excited about that

[manic tapir]

basically never said lol. intel always just says "intel (insert gpu name here) graphics"

[manic tapir]

basically can do ai tasks quickly and on device

[lusty wharf]

that's so crazy

[manic tapir]

microsoft released copilot+ devices recently, so you can find some windows uses in the recent videos about them

[lusty wharf]

but the npu is kind of just market bs then

[manic tapir]

i mean ai is all the rage rn for manufacturers

[lusty wharf]

i love love ai

[manic tapir]

amd even released a whol new generation of mobile processors that are identical to the previous just with an npu added

anyway, npus wont change the fact that the prestige is still the best laptop for you

[lusty wharf]

i want an npu tbh

[manic tapir]

and?

[lusty wharf]

i wanted to look into them mroe

[manic tapir]

the core ultra 7 155H has one

[lusty wharf]

no yeah. im saying that its another + for the msi

[manic tapir]

oh ok

you'd need an 8940HS from AMD to match the msi for any other laptop factoring in the npu

[lusty wharf]

damn

[manic tapir]

or maybe its 8840, idk

but if you care about tbt, intel would also be better (but, depending on the AMD implementation of usb 4, it could be similar/identical to a 155H machine)

[lusty wharf]

tbt or usb4 is fine. it would just be exciting to have it

[manic tapir]

itll be tbt 4 for intel and usb 4 for amd

[lusty wharf]

okayy cool

[manic tapir]

another plus for the msi lmao

full tbt 4

[lusty wharf]

usbc charger will be nice

never had one of those. always done the laptop bricks lol

[manic tapir]

itll still have a brick

[lusty wharf]

damn

[manic tapir]

the msi has 65w charging, which is easy for usb to do

[manic tapir]

but you can get like a 100w GaN brick and charge your laptop and phone together at full speed

GaN chargers are really small and i would recommend getting one, assuming msi doesnt ship it with one

[dark plaza]

says who

[dark plaza]

Arc is dGPU

[dark plaza]

Arc is dgpu.

[lusty wharf]

its actually both

p sure intel arc (with no letters /numbers) is the IGP

[dark plaza]

If the laptop mentions Arc, it's most likely something along the lines of A370

[dark plaza]

Correct.

however, very few chips have it

[lusty wharf]

i think its actually just arc model proper not a370

[dark plaza]

is the laptop a core ultra?

nvm I just checked it I'm wrong

Though, 4050 is not bad at all

it's hyper efficient for a dgpu that's capable of 1080p gaming

it may be a 50 class card but it performs like a 3060 with 130w plim... while drawing half that

[lusty wharf]

i think as a dgpu it would be great in a laptop since i dont really need a dgpu but i would also be paying for all that. which might not be worth it

[dark plaza]

or if you need desktop comparison: Faster than 2070 and close to the 2070 super

[lusty wharf]

i just need to run league of legends max settings

[dark plaza]

oh arc igpu should do that just fine

it's not fast, but league is also dead easy to run

[lusty wharf]

perfect

i want like shaders and everything tho

[manic tapir]

Not always

Core ultra notebook cpus have arc integrated graphics

[lusty wharf]

but tbh if intel HD 5500 can do medium-low, then i hopeful arc can do max

[dark plaza]

Yea my bad

[lusty wharf]

or max and medium high shaders

ive just been playing this game for over 10 years and i would love to have max everything at this point in my life

[dark plaza]

Well the thing is

what framerate are you targeting?

[lusty wharf]

ive done max settings before on the hd 5500 but its kind of unstable

[dark plaza]

if you're running 1080p60, a potato will run max settings

[manic tapir]

The msi prestige is 2880x1800 i think

[lusty wharf]

and i have done max settings on league along with other games like destiny and rainbow on some shitty nvidia geforce RTX 980 card that i was given awhile back

[dark plaza]

60hz?

[lusty wharf]

that's the low mid desktop i was given for testing / fixing software wise

it still doesnt work but knowing what ik now about pcs

its gotta be a ram issue

so maybe if i just buy some new ram i can get a pc going too

[manic tapir]

Probably. It’s not a gaming laptop

[lusty wharf]

60fps+ on this new laptop just for league would be optimal

[dark plaza]

Arc doesn't come close to the 980 in performance, though.

[lusty wharf]

just for killing 25 mins at work

[lusty wharf]

yeah i didnt think so.

[dark plaza]

Realistically though, it'll be fine

60fps isn't hard to reach

[lusty wharf]

passmark gives 4050 a score of 14489
and 5052 to intel arc

[manic tapir]

They’re not comparable

[dark plaza]

passmark is also kind of a crap benchmark

[lusty wharf]

tbh i love it

[manic tapir]

How so

[lusty wharf]

i dont think its bad. i think its the best one out there as long as you respect the

"this is a benchmark" thing

[manic tapir]

It’s sure as hell better than user benchmark

[lusty wharf]

itll never be better than a GN real world bench video

[dark plaza]

Also disagree

[manic tapir]

Stfu

User benchmark is the most biased piece of shit

[dark plaza]

Passmark is a purely synthetic test

[lusty wharf]

i major agree that its better than userbenchmark. not only is it bias, but the site is just not fun to use.

[lusty wharf]

that's okay tho for what it is

[dark plaza]

it's no different from comparing geekbench numbers

[manic tapir]

Literally what benchmarks are

I don’t see the problem

[dark plaza]

Not quite

[lusty wharf]

its a start cause realistically youtubers cant test everything on video

[dark plaza]

if you look at 3dmark scores, they are more realistic than either

[manic tapir]

It’s loading components to 100% to compare their max capabilities

[lusty wharf]

GN says it himself that he ends up just testing the best one to give people an idea and they have other things they need to test

[dark plaza]

but UBM shows what FPS each raster benchmark got, even if the end result is biased

[manic tapir]

This isn’t about gaming

[dark plaza]

I thought the end goal is 60fps max settings 1440p league?

[manic tapir]

And I’m never using userbenchmark or recommending it to anyone

[lusty wharf]

passmark does 3d and 2d

[manic tapir]

League is a side goal

[lusty wharf]

yeahh it is

i havent played in like 2 years

[dark plaza]

And for compute... you're using arc?

[lusty wharf]

but it would be nice

[manic tapir]

This is mainly a productivity laptop

[manic tapir]

Wdym

[dark plaza]

What kind of productivity?

[lusty wharf]

yep. productivity first. basically no gaming except league

[dark plaza]

Many apps benefit from Cuda acceleration

[manic tapir]

Non-gpu tasks

[lusty wharf]

notes and shit like that. heavy research tho. IPFS netwwork is kind of taxing. discord is taxing. notion is taxing

[dark plaza]

It doesn't need to be a GPU task to be able to use GPU acceleration

[lusty wharf]

but not like 24 7 taxing just like here and there. and itd be nice if i could run all 3 with zero lag ever

[manic tapir]

And you can’t beat this laptop anyway for the price

[dark plaza]

Oh that's... not actually that difficult to run

Just get enough ram and you're kinda set

[lusty wharf]

yeah this price is kind of insane

statistics show people are opting in for 32GB across the board for both desktop and laptop specs

[manic tapir]

Did i mention the prestige is the best laptop for you? Get it and stop comparing

[lusty wharf]

so i might shoot for that honestly ive survived on the inspiron for long enough for 2 to 3 ram generational shifts lol

[dark plaza]

upgrading 32gb isn't expensive

[manic tapir]

Most ram is soldered

[dark plaza]

only if you're chasing thin and light

[manic tapir]

At least in ultrabooks

[dark plaza]

yah

[manic tapir]

Which they are

[lusty wharf]

itd be out of my comfort zone but i dont mind learning. i heard framework laptops are trying to do what diy pcs have done but for laptops basically

[dark plaza]

not quite

[manic tapir]

As much as you realistically can

[dark plaza]

Framework laptops are trying to make laptops as repairable and upgradable as a laptop can be, given their relatively integrated nature

[lusty wharf]

oh yeah but what i was saying is that the 980 if that was the dgpu i remember.

marks at about 11,182 making it more than approximately twice the performance of the intel arc IGP

roughly ofc

[manic tapir]

Modular io, socketed wifi ram and storage, and swappable mainboards.

[dark plaza]

that checks out actually

[lusty wharf]

but this would be almost a 10 fold increase to my current IGP--intel HD graphics 5500

[dark plaza]

But you also have to remember, a lot of the time the score is power or thermal limited by the design of the laptop

[lusty wharf]

give or take

so id be happy with intel arc if it means being stuck with an intel IGP

i would rather have an AMD IGP but i honestly might not need one

and i think an intel cpu might be better for the laptop tbh

[manic tapir]

The 13 has no dgpu
The 16 has an optional dgpu and numpad

[lusty wharf]

155H is hard to beat

[manic tapir]

Another point for the prestige

[dark plaza]

My desktop would be pretty average for its hardware given it's cooled properly, but not overclocked anymore.
my laptop has a 4050 that performs at the 99th percentile

[lusty wharf]

xps 14 can do an intel arc igp instead of the 4050 to shave off the price. but its still overpriced

[dark plaza]

that 4050 is the same chip as many thin and light laptops, but it's able to draw a full 115w power budget and clock 500mhz higher than most other 4050s

and thus outperforms it quite significantly

[manic tapir]

Fairly certain it has it either way?

[lusty wharf]

yeah so laptop versions of parts. ik must be slightly different

[dark plaza]

wait what

[lusty wharf]

cause the cpus have HX and sometimes different numbers like 7945

[dark plaza]

4050 doesn't have a desktop variant

oh

the issue is that a laptop with 4050 usually does not clarify what power budget does that 4050 have

[lusty wharf]

and laptop gpus might have different performance than the desktop version

[manic tapir]

Laptop components are basically undervolted non-socketed versions of desktop variants. They can also have different core selections

[dark plaza]

Just power limited

a 4090 mobile is the exact same thing as a desktop 4080, but with a much smaller power budget

[manic tapir]

They will have different performance due to thermal/power restraints

[dark plaza]

^

[manic tapir]

16GB vram instead of 24 (meaning 256 bit bus instead of 384)

[dark plaza]

?

[manic tapir]

Oh wait

[dark plaza]

desktop 4080 has 16gb

it's the exact same card

AD103, same cores, same vram

just with a smaller power budget

[manic tapir]

Nvm i thought you were comparing 4090 mobile to desktop. Misread the message

[dark plaza]

ah yea

I was replying to the different core selections thing

[manic tapir]

What a scam

[dark plaza]

yk what else is a scam

10850k is an i9, 10850h is an i7

[manic tapir]

LMAO

[dark plaza]

I took a look at the prestige

I'm not a big fan but it appears to be alright

[manic tapir]

It’s the best for OP’s needs

[dark plaza]

I would say also go buy a good usb hub with gigabit ethernet

[manic tapir]

Small, powerful w/ 32GB ram, arc graphics for the occasional LoL game

[dark plaza]

I'm not a big fan of laptops that charge only via type C

[manic tapir]

Really? I love type c charging

[dark plaza]

slight trauma from failing pd controllers in the past

[dark plaza]

oh no I love it too, I use a Zephyrus G16 as a laptop

240w brick at home, 100w gan pd brick on the go

[manic tapir]

Ah, yeah

[dark plaza]

but I had a few laptops before that which just had type C charging fail

It's not an issue anymore afaik but yea

[manic tapir]

That has the slim power port(tm) or whatever the hell they call it, right?

[dark plaza]

nah

I have the 2023 model

it's basically the 2022 M16

[manic tapir]

Oh

[dark plaza]

So it has ethernet, hdmi, barrel plug

[manic tapir]

Oh

Nice

Wait it has pd and barrel plug charging?

[dark plaza]

yup

I have black one but the io is basically this

with type A and microsd on the other side

[dark plaza]

one is thunderbolt with dp wired to CPU, other one is just 3.2g2 with dp wired to dgpu

[manic tapir]

Wonderful io

[dark plaza]

Yep

[manic tapir]

They both have tbt logos though

[dark plaza]

nah one has tb logo, the other just indicates it can also be used for charging

[manic tapir]

Wow….thats not confusing at all

I saw that on my old laptop and couldn’t figure out whether it was 2 tbt or 1 tbt and 1 for charging. Guess i know now

[lusty wharf]

if i could find a laptop that offers a amd 5000g IGP

that would be interesting

[dark plaza]

Thunderbolt 4 requires charging compatibility

Chances are both ports supports charging

[manic tapir]

That would probably be worse than arc

[lusty wharf]

oh wow

[manic tapir]

Well yeah. I meant like 1 tbt and one non-tbt that can charge, so like yours — 3.2g2

[dark plaza]

yea

[dark plaza]

Currently Arc iGPU is the fastest iGPU you can get on a modern device

the fastest iGPU is still Radeon Vega M GH found on the Intel 8809g, but nobody has it so it's kinda forgotten

[manic tapir]

780m is similar

[manic tapir]

Radeon Vega on Intel?

[dark plaza]

it really depends on the laptop implementation as well as what directX version you're running

[dark plaza]

Ya

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/130409/intel-core-i78809g-processor-with-radeon-rx-vega-m-gh-graphics-8m-cache-up-to-4-20-ghz/specifications.html

[manic tapir]

Also 6000 series is far more common for mobile, and it’s still worse. Vega really sucks compared to rdna or arc

[lusty wharf]

oh wow, it does seem that intel arc does better than most of the AMD IGPs that were being touted for being good

the 5000G series or whatever

it performed higher than every 5600 variant

[dark plaza]

5000g series is kinda old now actually

[lusty wharf]

wow. yeah im just now making it through the timeline

[manic tapir]

Yeah, because there wasn’t an alternative to Vega in igpus

[lusty wharf]

it seems after 5000G, RDNA became the big thing

not sure what that is tho

[manic tapir]

Rdna is the Radeon basis

[lusty wharf]

is it an IGP

i cant find it

[manic tapir]

So similar to their desktop gpus, just on die with the cpu

[manic tapir]

Rdna 3 is the specific architecture in ryzen 7000 and 8000 apus

[lusty wharf]

even some vegas, so ig AMD is only really better with IGPs outside of the context of arc and arc is relatively new

[lusty wharf]

OHH

[manic tapir]

But rdna is the blanket term for new ryzen igpus, like arc for intel

Vega predates the rx 500 series, so 4 gpu generations old

[lusty wharf]

so arc is the newest for intel

what is amd's "flagship" igp now?

is it still vega

[manic tapir]

No

The 78

780m

[manic tapir]

Also Vega predates 5000 series, not 500 series

(I misspoke)

[lusty wharf]

wow thank you. i checked on copilot and yeah 700m series is the latest and greatest

780m in particular

rdna3 arch

[manic tapir]

And for the record, the 780m is miles ahead of the vega 8 seen in the 5700g (the fastest apu before those with the 780n)

[lusty wharf]

sooo does nvidia make IGPs too

[manic tapir]

No

They don’t make CPU’s (at least rn)

[lusty wharf]

ohh right

another source says the 780m is comparable to the arc tho

[manic tapir]

It is

They’re basically equal

[lusty wharf]

so p neat. i have a much better idea now of whats going on in this laptop space

[manic tapir]

Arc on notebook is comparable to the 780m

Soooo just get the prestige already

[rapid temple]

780 is more stable and has better support for most games, alongside being more efficient but yeah they are ==

In perf

Arc is maturing well so I reccomend the core u 7

[lusty wharf]

i might go to best buy to check out their retail lineup

i want to see what too small is for me

walmart doesnt have a big selection

but if i go to best buy they might have a 12in or a 10.5 in etc

and i want to see if too small actually becomes an issue for me--who loves small screens

[rapid temple]

So you don't want to play league

[lusty wharf]

lol

i just want to see more options

im on pcpp rn

i also want to talk about this

i defaulted to wanting oled

[rapid temple]

Qd oled> but really you gonna want to buy ips

[lusty wharf]

and i know a little about ips and tn

so which is better ips or oled?

and whats going on with ahva and va

[rapid temple]

Oled obviously

[rapid temple]

Disregard

But old is like 700$

For a decent one

[lusty wharf]

are those older ones?

[rapid temple]

Yea

[lusty wharf]

cool

[rapid temple]

Oled is like 700$ for good ones

[manic tapir]

cough cough the msi prestige has oled

[lusty wharf]

i used to LOVE ips screens

[rapid temple]

No fr

[rapid temple]

Ips is good

[lusty wharf]

you really got everything right the first time

[manic tapir]

lmao

[lusty wharf]

still tho, the msi couldnt be the only one

[manic tapir]

ill say it again. buy the damn prestige

[rapid temple]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MKwK9c

[rapid temple]

With oled ? Yeah

Beside the the 14in ones

[manic tapir]

even if you find a different option, there's no way its going to be cheaper than $1300

[lusty wharf]

yeah probably not

but do you think i can go weaker cpu or weaker gpu?

tbh i really dont want to go weaker cpu

but is intel arc necessary for league?

will igps help with anything else besides gaming?

[manic tapir]

its very much a nice to have

you definitely dont want uhd, and iris stops at 13/14th gen

[manic tapir]

anything gpu accelerated

and if you want an npu, the 155H is basically the only option (at least from intel)

[lusty wharf]

im honestly curious about the microsoft surface pro

[manic tapir]

honestly, only the newest ones with the snapdragon chip would be worth considering

[lusty wharf]

what about this one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KCwkcf/microsoft-surface-pro-7-123-2736-x-1824-core-i7-1065g7-13-ghz-16-gb-memory-1-tb-ssd-storage-2-in-1-laptop-vdx-00001

[manic tapir]

10th gen i7 and 16GB of ram

i mean, if you want, but you're losing out on quite a bit for that ~$200

[lusty wharf]

youre exactly right. i think the msi is worth the extra $200 easy

but at least this is a good comparison

but also, its smaller

[manic tapir]

barely

[lusty wharf]

a whole inch tho

[manic tapir]

but youre losing a lot of performance

also the new surface laptops are on "preorder" rn but i cant even go through the whole preorder process

[lusty wharf]

oh you want one too

[manic tapir]

no, just to see the specs if you were to buy one

[lusty wharf]

oh damn

so this is the pro 7, you are saying the newest one is getting released like right now basically

is it the pro 8

[manic tapir]

surface pro 10
surface laptop 6

the one thing snapdragon x has going for it over the 155H is efficency

[lusty wharf]

pro 7 is also only IPS

[manic tapir]

the new one is pro 10

[lusty wharf]

ive heard really good things about snapdragon

[manic tapir]

they dont show any options for 32GB ram

also i figured out you have to select color before proceeding (which was not clear at all)

[lusty wharf]

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/lenovo/lenovo-edu-chromebooks/ideapad-duet-3-chromebook-(11-inch,-qlc)/82t6000eus

this has a snapdragon but afaik, it only has adreno 618.

[manic tapir]

and the max chip puts the surface pro at $1500

[manic tapir]

the only snapdragon worth considering is the snapdragon x

which is inside the new surface laptops and a few other laptops releasing in the future

[manic tapir]

absolute dogwater

its probably fine for chromeos, but you said you wanted to be more of a power user, so thats immediately off the table

4GB + 128GB emmc

[lusty wharf]

that's what i was thinking too

adreno 618 is awful and the snapdragon isnt really that great on this either

[manic tapir]

its fine for $300 (at that price i would like to see 8GB of ram on a chromebook. it would cost like $10)

[lusty wharf]

ive always wanted a chromebook

[manic tapir]

these are the only ones worth considering

[lusty wharf]

because ive wanted to test out chromeOS

[manic tapir]

buy a separate laptop then lol. dont make it your daily driver

[lusty wharf]

cause from what ive heard the stigma isnt true, and you can download your own apps

[manic tapir]

you can put chromeos flex on your current laptop after upgrading

[lusty wharf]

okay cool

what would a chrome laptop be good for

[manic tapir]

the ones complaining probably had locked down af laptops from a school

[lusty wharf]

ohh yeahh true

[manic tapir]

if you basically only use a web browser

[lusty wharf]

okayyy

so if i didnt do leauge

i could do a chromebook

is it really online only laptop??

[manic tapir]

no, but the apps are mainly chrome extensions afaik

[manic tapir]

depends on if all your programs are available for chromeos

[lusty wharf]

thats fine. i dont use windows apps anyway

windows apps are dogwater

[manic tapir]

sometimes

[lusty wharf]

i just go to the actual websites

not discord tho

[manic tapir]

you use browser versions?

[lusty wharf]

or notion

yeah for like facebook

or google

[manic tapir]

i would too

[lusty wharf]

i never use those windows 8 era apps

[manic tapir]

who tf downloads the facebook app on their computer

[lusty wharf]

except calculator, i do use the calculator app

[lusty wharf]

lmao exactly

[manic tapir]

honestly, i dont think you should get a chromebook

[lusty wharf]

even if i drop league?

[manic tapir]

yes

[lusty wharf]

cause with chromeOS if you can use it offline, thats cool.

[manic tapir]

they'll all have subpar processors

[lusty wharf]

so really just for browsing the web

[manic tapir]

yeah

and for schools where kids are morons and destroy their electronics

[lusty wharf]

if it can run notion or discord

[manic tapir]

theyll all also have like 8GB of ram, which is the same as what you have now

[lusty wharf]

true but this laptop is old and dying

i feel like a brand new version of my laptop could run everything again like it used to

[manic tapir]

not with that cpu

[lusty wharf]

in the distant future, a chromebook might serve as a good solution for a budget build then?

[manic tapir]

as a glorified web browser

[lusty wharf]

like for when you take it to work

if someone steals or you break it, its no biggie

cause hopefully its like $100

even just--im guessing chrome+notion will be a great usecase for a chromebook

[manic tapir]

this is an ok chrmebook, but i bought the same spec windows laptop from bestbuy for less
https://www.cdw.com/product/acer-chromebook-spin-714-cp714-2wn-14-intel-core-i5-1335u-evo-16/7507211?pfm=srh

i think it had a 16" screan instead of 14"

[lusty wharf]

but all in all, do chromebooks have any advantages over a windows laptop with similar or better specs

so ig just chromeOS vs windowsOS

[manic tapir]

chromeos is lighter to run than windows (thats why so many chromebooks have terrible specs and get away with it)

[lusty wharf]

ohh okay

[manic tapir]

like whatever the hell this is
https://www.cdw.com/product/acer-chromebook-314-c922-14-mediatek-mt8183-4-gb-ram-32-gb-emmc/7266048?pfm=srh

that has as much STORAGE as the prestige has ram

[lusty wharf]

wait eMMC is the storage wtf

[manic tapir]

yeah

[lusty wharf]

lmao

that's insane

[manic tapir]

basically a slightly more reliable micro sd/sd card soldered to the mainboard

youre going to want better than a chromebook for your main laptop

another thing about the prestige, it has a 16:10 display so you can see more vertical space on websites and stuff. basically means less scrolling

[lusty wharf]

it makes sense to me that chromeOS is built together more cleanly than windowsOS, and that it is so efficient and snappy. if only it had the same specs as many windows pcs, then it might get kind of crazy

[manic tapir]

its snappy

1. because its linux
2. there's basically no operating system to load into ram

[lusty wharf]

im open to the idea of having multiple devices. i basically have 3 phones right now. one for work and my main phone. and i was going to get a phone so i can run this script 24 / 7 on it while im at work and leave it plugged in

i didnt know chromeOS was linux based

better boot times are nice for when you want to open up and write a note or do something really quick

[manic tapir]

which boot time

[lusty wharf]

for chrome ig

[manic tapir]

its gonna be like 1-5 seconds no matter what decent new laptop you get now

the prestige is still the best laptop for you now

i would recommend trying chromeos on your current laptop to try it out rather than buying a new chromebook

[lusty wharf]

so it turns out discord and notion are definitely on chromeOS

but league of legends you have to basically do a workaround

[manic tapir]

dont

especially if you buy a new chromebook

the gpu is going to suck

[lusty wharf]

oh im saying a chromebook boots at the start more easily because of the OS efficiency

[lusty wharf]

yeah that too

[manic tapir]

booting up the OS? you said chrome

[lusty wharf]

im sure i can do league on mid to low settings tho

but i might not do league at all

[manic tapir]

you wanted max settings lmao

[lusty wharf]

i meant chromeOS mb

[lusty wharf]

i still do for the main laptop

[manic tapir]

oh

so buy the prestige for your main, and install chromeos on the one you have now

[lusty wharf]

i think i found the pro x

[manic tapir]

Yeah

It’s on preorder

Prestige is still better — 32GB ram and cheaper w/ more performance

[lusty wharf]

ill add these to the comparison

what is the difference between an ultrabook a netbook and a chromebook

[tawny valley]

Netbooks were the precursors to the other two, and have almost always been "not worth the money" from the moment ASUS released the EEeeeeEEeeeEeEEEEE PC. They were fine as a concept device to introduce consumers to the idea of tiny, affordable laptops, but they could barely function.

Chromebook is just Google's term for certified laptops running ChromeOS, available in a variety of form factors, qualities, and price points by various manufacturers.

Ultrabook is a protected marketing term coined by Intel that has since been replaced by the Evo moniker. Intel specifies bare minimum requirements for a device to be called an Ultrabook / Evo device.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/devices-systems/laptops/laptop-innovation-program.html

Ultrabook / Evo is basically Intel's way of "certifying" some laptops / 2-in-1's as being devices that don't suck suck less than most non-Ultrabook / Evo devices. (Again, just because something is "certified" or "recognized" as being "good" does not guarantee it was designed without problems.)

[lusty wharf]

so netbooks came first and influenced the development of ultrabooks and chromebooks

and then chromebooks are basically just ultrabooks running chromeOS

ive also heard the term mini-laptop while searching

[tawny valley]

Sort of, but not always. Ultrabook / Evo devices MUST meet Intel's minimum quality standards / performance specifications. Chromebooks can be good, but many are cheap low quality throwaway after 1-3 year devices.

[lusty wharf]

so evo is just what they call ultrabook nowadays

so then whats the difference between a ultrabook / evo and a laptop

[tawny valley]

Everything is explained on the Intel page I linked above. TL;DR: an Ultrabook / Evo device is a class of laptop. Think of them like how... Sports and Luxury cars are just a class of Sedan / Coupe vehicle?

[lusty wharf]

i see all the things they designate but i thought ultrabook meant thin laptop

[tawny valley]

As mentioned, Ultrabook / Evo devices must meet Intel's specifications.

[lusty wharf]

so they are really special thin laptops

i dont see anything about ultrabooks at this link 😭

[tawny valley]

As mentioned, Ultrabook is the old term. Intel calls them Evo now.

[lusty wharf]

is thin even apart of their requirements

[tawny valley]

It used to be. I also can't seem to find a definitive list of requirements on Intel's website.

[lusty wharf]

i found the battery part

[tawny valley]

Indeed. Keep in mind: all battery ratings are just estimates - real-world battery performance varies with usage. That said, my Evo certified Lenovo Yoga can indeed reach around the 8-9 hour mark when used appropriately. (It's slightly less than the "at least 9 hours" because the screen is higher than FHD.)

[lusty wharf]

so ig evo was called project athena

but expands on the ultrabook requirements

but i think i get that, ultrabook isnt really a smaller laptop

its just thinner / lighter

but the big thing with ultrabooks is that they are basically just intel's premium laptops.

and chromebooks are not premium. but they are google's term for basically a chromeOS laptop

ive also heard of people calling netbooks mini-laptops the same thing

but

it might just be copilot

so then whats the difference between handheld micro computers and netbooks then?

if netbooks arent mini-laptops and are actually smaller.

it also seems that netbooks basically dont exist at all anymore

which is probably why they say netbook / mini-laptop

or chromebook

or ultrabook

the closest thing we still have today is probably just mini-laptops

[lusty wharf]

so I'm actually strongly considering chromebooks now

the efficiency of chromeOS will allow me to go smaller and ram + cpu to go a little further

4GB ram still won't be comparable

but if I can shoot for maybe 8GB or 16GB it might be good enough

the cpu won't need to be 155h

but as long as the cpu isn't horrible

storage can be whatever just not below 256GB

[tawny valley]

FYI: Storing / accessing files on ChromeOS sucks. Like, it works, but the Files app makes it feel like you're using a tablet OS (similar to the iOS Files app) instead of a real computer.

[tawny valley]

You're spot on about RAM though - unless you open literally hundreds of tabs, 8GB is enough for most people's needs on ChromeOS. If you need more than a Chrome browser to get the stuff done you want to accomplish on the device, I'd reconsider ChromeOS, otherwise go ham.

[rapid temple]

Just forget any games

Like at all

And many softwares don't work chromeos

[rapid temple]

Most chrome

Books come with shit cpus cuz it's low end

Also never buy below 32fb

Gb

I mean you can get away with 16gb fosho but if you intend for this to last more then 1 or 2 yrs then go windows and 32gb

[manic tapir]

Will all be worse price to performance (even factoring in OS overhead) compared to the msi prestige

Trust me, chromeos will be lacking

You said you wanted to be a power user, and chromeos will suck for that

Please

Don’t get a Chromebook

[rapid temple]

I absolutely will not advocate for the purchase of a device, that is e waste in a few short months

[manic tapir]

Installing chromeos flex on her current laptop would have the same effect

[manic tapir]

The prestige is still a better laptop than literally any Chromebook

[tawny valley]

This is what I recommend to anyone looking to see how ChromeOS will work for them BEFORE they buy an actual Chromebook device.

[manic tapir]

Yes, 100%

[lusty wharf]

i thought power user just meant being someone that uses everything

so like you have an apple phone and an android

or like a google phone

and then with laptops you have a macOS, windowsOS, and chromeOS laptops

what about macbooks?

im guessing macbooks are also taken from netbooks

except its really just a laptop running macOS?

also, ive been looking at more laptops like this razer

and it seems that laptops with a dgpu will always be much heavier and thus less portable

[lusty wharf]

so like macbook, chromebook, and even ultrabook. are not formfactors. it really just tells you

apple, google, intel.

but laptop, mini-laptop, 2-in-1, tablet, and netbook are all really form factors

and netbooks basically dont exist anymore

[lusty wharf]

https://www.asus.com/us/laptops/for-home/chromebook/asus-chromebook-plus-cx34-cx3402/

[manic tapir]

MacBook and Chromebook have never been form factors. They’re laptops designed by apple and laptops designed for chromeos respectively

[manic tapir]

The most capable configuration of this one is actually a pretty nice Chromebook. You still should get the prestige and then try chromeos on your current laptop

[manic tapir]

You could technically be a power user on chromeos, but there’s not much you can do compared to bare Linux, windows, or even MacOS

[lusty wharf]

that's what I said tho

[manic tapir]

you made it sound like you thought they were and discovered that they werent

[lusty wharf]

on YouTube they just use the word power user differently ig

[manic tapir]

how do they use it

[lusty wharf]

I've been confused this whole time about all the terminology. but I wouldn't say I thought they were form factors

ig laptops don't really have true form factors but if anything.

ig you could say mini-laptop and laptop are the 2

I'm just trying to consider all my options cause idc if it's a windows experience or a really powerful one.

[manic tapir]

to me form factor would be traditional, 2 in 1, and keyboard-detachable

[tawny valley]

Many words in many languages have no definitively set meaning. Rather, even if a dictionary defines words, people will interpret them however they like. Tis why it's good to come to your own conclusions rather than rely solely on others to define things.

[lusty wharf]

I just want it to be small

but I was looking at the 11.6 screen today and it was horrid

[manic tapir]

this is 14", compared to the prestige's 13.3

[lusty wharf]

11.6 on the left

[manic tapir]

i told you. dont go less than 13 or itll start being too small to multitask

[lusty wharf]

p sure the other 2 were 13.3

[tawny valley]

They more or less do... But because of XKCD 927 nobody can agree on standardizing the names of those form factors. For example, did you know a laptop can technically also function as a tent? 🤣

[lusty wharf]

you might be right about that. but also I think screen size gets lost in translation and it's really the dimensions

[manic tapir]

at least partially

[lusty wharf]

cause I think I'm okay with 11.6 as long as it's not a shitty TN screen and as long as the bezels aren't atrocious

I was looking at some tablets that have a better screen ratio. and I will take pictures later

[tawny valley]

Bingo. As I believe I noted before, yesterday's 16" laptops are basically 15" because the bezels are smaller these days. 15" is the new 14". 14" is the new 13". And so on. It's why my Lenovo 16" feels smaller than my XPS 15" from a few years back, despite being a bigger screen.

[lusty wharf]

before recently I was really getting lost with

laptops mini laptops netbooks notebooks chrome books MacBook ultra books. but not so much anymore

[manic tapir]

laptop vs mini laptop is like full tower vs mid-tower for computer cases. no one knows their actual size

[lusty wharf]

I'm curious about the practicality of something like

a micro handheld computer

or samsung dex

or a foldable phone.

cause I've seen and heard of people replacing their laptops for these instead as just an internet browser etc.

[lusty wharf]

yeah this

[manic tapir]

you're going to want a real keyboard

[lusty wharf]

yeah literally. bezels are more important than I initially thought

[lusty wharf]

I tried out the typing experience today. and they are flat like not haptic at all. even my phone touch keyboard feels better lmao

on those tablets I mean

[manic tapir]

but also, good foldable phones are gonna be as expensive as the msi prestige, so unless being absolutely tiny is your highest priority, a full laptop will be better than a foldable phone screen

[tawny valley]

I'm with you on this. We use 14" 1080p dell latitudes at work. While I can get work done using only the laptop screen, to actually multitask I need to be hooked up to my dual monitor docking station. Whereas I can semi-multitask on my Lenovo 16" 1200p screen because it's just a wee bit larger with more pixels.

[lusty wharf]

I've also noticed in this one picture

the 2 on the right have the same screen size. but one has a taller screen for sure. the MacBook air

I'm mostly hesitant on msi only cause I'm fearful of getting by with less

[manic tapir]

samsung dex is a possibility, but as with chromebooks/chromeos, i would encourage you to try it out before buying

[lusty wharf]

like what if my next next decision is I discover I can do everything I want without a laptop and live lighter

like if only I could connect a keyboard and mouse to a phone or something and use that phones screen as the desktop

[tawny valley]

Screen ratios can vary. We used to have square 4:3 screens until widescreen movies resulted in everything going to 16:9 ratios. Now we're seeing all sorts of ratios in mobile device screens, hence why some are taller than others. Screen size is measured diagonally though.

[manic tapir]

16:10 or 4:3 is better than 16:9 because of the extra vertical space

i think some laptops have 3:2

[lusty wharf]

I feel like the MacBook might be 16:10

and if so that technically does mean less work on you

which is kind of a nice after thought

[manic tapir]

??

[lusty wharf]

do they have anything taller than 16:10

[manic tapir]

4:3 or 3:2

[lusty wharf]

less scrolling is less work.

same reason you shouldn't run discord in border mode with the vertical height minimized

I used to do that with discord so that people could read my messages over my shoulder

[manic tapir]

oh

[lusty wharf]

but it's better to just have that full vertical space so now my discord is from top screen down to bottom

but I rarely do full screen discord

wait so 4:3 and 3:2 are taller?

[manic tapir]

taller than 16:10

4:3 is the most square, and so, the tallest

[lusty wharf]

oh wow. but I'm guessing they don't really make laptops like that anymore

[manic tapir]

without going to straight up 1:1 or a vertical monitor

[tawny valley]

If you multiply the ratios out against 16:9 and 16:10, yes.

[tawny valley]

They don't really make 4:3 anymore, but 3:2 is common in some models. All depends on what the laptop was made for, and of course, the user's preferred workflows.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/3-2-aspect-ratio-screens-best-for-productivity
As always "best for productivity" means nothing if YOUR particular productivity workflow doesn't have a way to make use of the product in a given news article.

[lusty wharf]

ohh that means 4:3 is taller than 3:2

since 3 is basically 75% the height of its width and 2 is basically 67% the height of its width

whereas
9 is only 56% the height of its width
and 10 is 63% the height of its width

3:2 is interesting

[manic tapir]

the only way you might be better off without the prestige is if chromeOS works perfectly for you, or if you find a 32GB laptop for like $700-$800

[lusty wharf]

how do you feel macOS cause that's something I have also thought about

[tawny valley]

Given the way Apple designs things, my stance remains: if you're bought into the ecosystem, it's a decently robust operating system providing a cohesive user experience. If you're using a mix of Apple and non-Apple devices, it might still work, or could be a huge exercise in frustration if you want to do something a certain way.

To be fair, all products have their design flaws. The terrible one's require the user bend over backwards. The better one's adapt to the user's needs.

[manic tapir]

i would have to daily macOS to get a feel for it's abilities, but with the fact that so many of my programs dont necessarily have mac versions and the cheapest macbook starts at like $1000, its not something i have any plans to do in the future

[lusty wharf]

here are the tablets that have very comparable screens

apple is kind of overpriced

[manic tapir]

yes

[lusty wharf]

but I've heard they have the best laptops

like the MacBook with m3 and m4s

even a year or 2 ago

it's was like m2 was the best

[tawny valley]

As mentioned so many times, "best" (without context) is largely subjective. For example, I could tell you there's this pizza shop downtown that has THE BEST PIZZAS EVER! only for you to show up and discover they DON'T offer ANY vegetarian / vegan / gluten free pizzas. Are they still the best pizzas ever now? 🤔 That's entirely subjective depending on whether or not you're vegetarian / vegan / gluten sensitive...

[manic tapir]

depends on your uses

best 13" macbook

[lusty wharf]

yeah ik that but I'm talking about general consensus

like what youtubers or reddit say etc

[tawny valley]

It really doesn't matter what others say - are you buying a product for yourself or for them? At the end of the day, the "best" product is one that lets you GetShitDone™ that you need to do. This is different for everyone.

[manic tapir]

yes

i would rather switch to linux than mac though. the ui is just too weird for me

[rapid temple]

Buy

Msi

Prestige

13 evo

[manic tapir]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[lusty wharf]

wait the main prestige is an ultrabook / Evo certified?

[lusty wharf]

I think what others say matter tbh

it's good to get a good idea

[manic tapir]

???

[tawny valley]

Oh for sure - it's good to get ideas; just don't let other people's opinions dictate what you need.

[lusty wharf]

I won't no worries. I subscribe to the same philosophy

[lusty wharf]

when i tested these out, they had notion and discord

[rapid temple]

Yeah but no games

Also

[manic tapir]

Fym

[rapid temple]

Yeah. Certified??

[manic tapir]

Evo literally just means it’s been changed a bit because of advancing technology (e.g. better trackpad, higher quality shell, nicer keycaps, etc)

Oh i see what she meant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrabook

[manic tapir]

This isn’t the reason the prestige is called evo though

[rapid temple]

Bro it's impossible to say a word with tm atp

[manic tapir]

What?

[rapid temple]

Shell razor? Most obscure

Random thing

It's trademarked

Fucking industry rats using words like magic

[manic tapir]

Bruh

[rapid temple]

Referring to ultrabook being trademarked by shitlel

[manic tapir]

Oh

But of course they’re not going to release it from the trademark

[lusty wharf]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bQDaZOUfdrs?si=c7Cy2HGU_8z0M37U

[manic tapir]

Msi prestige ffs

[lusty wharf]

This is really small is this even usable

[tawny valley]

Only you can answer that, as you know best what work you need to accomplish.

[lusty wharf]

Idk the model tbh

but I am curious about micro handheld computers

And if something like a ras pi would be better for me

[mighty frigate]

Why is this thread SO activite?

[manic tapir]

???

[lusty wharf]

You don't think so?

It'd be so small and I could just hook up a monitor and keyboard to it right

Like what about mini portable desktops

[manic tapir]

and have it always connected to power, unless you have a big battery you also carry around

[lusty wharf]

Oh shit

Yeah those would have to be plugged in huh

[manic tapir]

and all of these

[lusty wharf]

Unless you got a portable battery hub thing

[manic tapir]

yes

[lusty wharf]

Which includes things like ras pi right?

[manic tapir]

and for a high power one, it would be quite heavy

[manic tapir]

yes

also max 8GB ram on the pi

[lusty wharf]

Yeah on second thought carrying a monitor and keyboard around actually make them less portable

[manic tapir]

yeah that too

[lusty wharf]

Does it run windows and what is the ras pi called exactly?

By type

[manic tapir]

no it uses linux bc its arm

[manic tapir]

wdym

[lusty wharf]

Ohh

Like desktop. Laptop etc

[manic tapir]

usually desktop

depends on how you use it though

but anyway, it would still be worse than a traditional laptop because youd have to carry around a keyboard and mouse

[lusty wharf]

Oh my bad it's called an sbc

[manic tapir]

well yeah

[lusty wharf]

So yeah I can basically cross off those micro desktops and sbcs etc off the list then

[manic tapir]

absolutely

[lusty wharf]

It'd be cool for something else though like if I were building some kind of suit that needed a computer

Cause you could probably use sbcs for something to run other basic things like lighting or something idk really

Wouldn't even need an sbc for that probably

But maybe something else iron man style lmao

[manic tapir]

yeah, that's what they're generally used for. DIY projects and such

everything is still pointing to the prestige being the best

[lusty wharf]

I watched a video that really helped me

https://youtu.be/pxiP-HJLCx0?si=zomczZAzGNK3OAJE

he talks about tablets and chromebooks being tempting since they are targeted towards people like me

but he says to avoid them for similar reasons you guys said

but what I really took away was that.

no matter what they will be less powerful in the end. and less capable.

a traditional laptop that is just smaller will be more of a do everything experience. or have less issues with doing it all

so really if I do chromebook that would mean I value budget so it's like how much do I want to sacrifice to save money?

and if I do the traditional tablet. that would mean I really value size so how much am I willing to sacrifice in terms of workload and tasks for slightly more portability

[manic tapir]

the prestige is still the best. you cannot beat that 32GB ram

[lusty wharf]

I also think portability isn't a spectrum.

you are either backpack portable

or you are pocket portable.

and if it's not the size of a large ass phone then you aren't pocket portable.

even large phones get criticized for being uncomfortable in the pocket. so even that is too big and pocket portability is basically not achievable

unless you figure something out with dex and get an s24 ultra or something

and truthfully backpack portable is still great but even a 17in will fit.

[manic tapir]

yeah 17" depending on the backpack

but portability is also being able to carry the laptop around while using it

personally, my 17" laptop isnt bad in that regard, but 13" would probably be easier

[lusty wharf]

yeah i was going to say it depends on the backpack, most women's / girls backpacks are slightly smaller, and i have had issues with the corners being incapable of being zipped up

oh like one corner

i also think a big thing with smaller laptops is the aesthetic

not all guys know this, but girls usually want a smaller form factor on everything

like watch faces

or like the makeup bag how its directly intended to be as small as possible so that it "can't carry anything except makeup"

but yeah ig i just think SFF tech is cute and that includes smaller laptops

but i think its also practical. like if you go to college or you go to a friend's house or you go to your grandmas or go to work.

its going to matter less about whether or not your laptop weighs 100g less than your second pick thats not really going to make it any harder on you

but a larger size like even a normal size 15.6+ could be so big that like setting up becomes a process or a chore, and setting up your laptop could be big and imposing like aesthetically like imagine you go to the breakroom at work and someone is just in the back with their 17in laptop and they might as well have a foot spa along with a neck pillow or even a himalayan salt lamp lmao

or you bring your laptop over to your friend's place and its so big they think you might be getting a little "too comfy"

ik like at the end of the day, it doesnt matter.

but i could never imagine taking my current laptop to work or otherwise

and alot of that is cause its too big and i have to keep it plugged into the wall

and i have to use this stupid usb fan thing

or like you are in class, and your teacher targets you just cause you have a 17in laptop lmao

i feel like smaller laptops are less imposing and more out of sight out of mind ig.

maybe in another 10 years, 11.6in laptops of the distant future will have 64GB ram and 1T storage

ik things have definitely gotten better

and having 8GB probably took awhile for chromebooks and stuff like that

wait is there any macbook that has more than 8GB ram??

[tawny valley]

You can configure many Macbook models with more RAM on Apple's website when purchasing.

[lusty wharf]

so they do go higher than 8GB

cause i was thinking 8GB was the max

[manic tapir]

13” max is 16GB

[lusty wharf]

why does everyone rave about it then?

is macOS super efficient and well organized like chromeOS?

[manic tapir]

About what

[lusty wharf]

chromeOS can get away with 8GB, 16GB would be great

[manic tapir]

They rave because 8GB ram costs $200

[lusty wharf]

no im asking about macOS

cause that's one of the things they dont like lmao

[manic tapir]

It’s a personal preference

But don’t a MacBook unless you know you’ll like it

[manic tapir]

What about it?

[lusty wharf]

is macOS super efficient and well organized like chromeOS?

[manic tapir]

Idk

It’s probably more efficient than windows, given that apple has full control over the hardware configurations

[mighty frigate]

Because they have 8gb ram on a 1200$ laptop

Which is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE

No amount of software magic will change that 8gb ram is still 8 GB

[thin stone]

https://downloadmoreram.com/

[mighty frigate]

You are the kind of idiot to fall l for this

[thin stone]

call?

[mighty frigate]

Tpipo*

[manic tapir]

Anyone who knows anything about computers would know this is fake

[thin stone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shock-gasp-omg-open-mouth-gif-6026042042422959802

[manic tapir]

Anyway, Mac is overpriced

And you should just get the msi prestige

[thin stone]

yes

[thin stone]

and no

[manic tapir]

Okay, send a link to a better laptop then

[thin stone]

budget?

[manic tapir]

$3k, 13” or less, and no dgpu

The msi prestige has a core ultra 7 155H, 32GB ram, 1TB storage, and is 13.3”. All for $1299

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-prestige-13-oled-laptop-intel-evo-edition-intel-core-ultra-7-intel-arc-graphics-with-32gb-memory-1tb-ssd-stellar-gray/6568904.p?skuId=6568904

[thin stone]

Max Balling with CNC, 3k OLED, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for 1.7k
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-13/spd/xps-13-9340-laptop/usexchbts9340gtst?ref=variantstack

More Realistic:
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21KRCTO1WWUS1
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21LUCTO1WWUS1

the lenovos arent oled tho, but repairable

id go with the dell

[manic tapir]

all worse

[thin stone]

not the dell

[manic tapir]

but its $1700 and doesnt have 12tb storage, idk what you are talking about there

[thin stone]

*typo

its higher quality, has a better display and is touch

[manic tapir]

wdym higher quality

[thin stone]

and what the f--- is that

[thin stone]

the msi is plastic as far is a know

the dell cnc aluminium

[manic tapir]

and no, its not a better display

unless you want touchscreen, then maybe

[thin stone]

1. better color accuracy
2. slimmer bezels
3. touch

[manic tapir]

better color accuracy?

[thin stone]

yea, msi has more gaming optimized colors, while dell has closer to realistic colors

[manic tapir]

the msi prestige is not a gaming laptop