First PC build

[shell swift]

Not true

[tawny elbow]

For the pro?

[shell swift]

Yea

[tawny elbow]

Its 7000/5000 compared to 3500/3000 i believe

[tawny elbow]

I may be able to buy from us

Someone is coming over

[shell swift]

Dont

[shell swift]

Oh what. Just buy everything then

[tawny elbow]

Not like us +shipping us and delivered to a friend

[tawny elbow]

Most parts are still cheaper from canada

[shell swift]

I don't think so.

Wait

Sales right

Yeah so far things may have been cheaper

Get ssd from us then

[tawny elbow]

Yes

[tawny elbow]

Alright

[shell swift]

Sending a good one tn

Rn*

[tawny elbow]

Wb motherboard

[shell swift]

Yes that too

How much u tryna spend in cad for mobo

[tawny elbow]

Maybe 200

[tawny elbow]

What happened to the link lol, yeah it seems pretty good even faster than the 980 pro too

[shell swift]

https://a.co/d/hpin2YI

[shell swift]

Found a cheaper and similar one

[shell swift]

Splurge and buy this

https://click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?id=8BacdVP0GFs&mid=44583&murl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813144628%26ignorebbr%3D1

It's about 30 more then u said but it very good and includes wifi

[tawny elbow]

Oh yeah kettle originally recommended this

The canada price is basicaly the aame tho

[shell swift]

Then do canada

[shell swift]

What about case? Case a lot cheaper here

But that requires lots of baggage room

[tawny elbow]

Why does it say its for laptop/ps5

[tawny elbow]

I dont want to make them carry a case lol

[shell swift]

Doesn't matter

[shell swift]

It's a 2280 ssd should not be any issues

[shell swift]

What abt psu?

[tawny elbow]

Oh hold on

[shell swift]

And gpu

[tawny elbow]

Cooler Master MWE Gold 850 V2 Fully Modular, 850W, 80+ Gold Efficiency, Quiet HDB Fan, 2 EPS Connectors, High Temperature Resilience, 5 Year Warranty, Gold v2 https://a.co/d/90cKS6Q

[tawny elbow]

Have it already

[shell swift]

The one I reccomend is 120 cad for 850

[shell swift]

Oh good this is fine

[tawny elbow]

Mine is 115 for 850

[shell swift]

Yeah nvm

Sale too

[tawny elbow]

Mhm

[shell swift]

Ok anything else? Wanna just get case from there and fans here?

[shell swift]

What abt gpu

Have them snipe a used 6900xt for around 400 here

[tawny elbow]

Ahve it already

[tawny elbow]

Uhh ill see

[shell swift]

Ik but you can get better. If can return

[shell swift]

Peripherals? Lot cheaper here btw

[tawny elbow]

Gpu is pretty big tho, idk if i want them to bring

[shell swift]

Also if they near a micro center

[tawny elbow]

I already have a g pro and a k552

[tawny elbow]

Silicon Power 1TB XS70 - Works with Playstation 5, Nvme PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 Internal Gaming SSD W/R Up to 7,300 MB/6,800/s (SP01KGBP44XS7005) https://a.co/d/4Ntx7Yc

[shell swift]

Atp

Get

Silicon Power 1TB UD90 NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 SSD R/W up to 5,000/4,800 MB/s (SP01KGBP44UD9005) https://a.co/d/50NFZTb

Ud90

[tawny elbow]

Its like 30% slower for abt $15

[shell swift]

It's more then fast enough

[shell swift]

Not reallg

Your speeds even on the other will never cross. 4000

You'll be network limited

Or cpu limited

[tawny elbow]

I guesd

[shell swift]

And

It won't make difference at all

Matter of fact, you really won't be able tell difference between the high end xs75 and the m450

[tawny elbow]

Doesnt the s70 have better cooling as well

[shell swift]

Has a heatsink but your mobo should include one so it's dead weight

[shell swift]

You won't be able to use it

[tawny elbow]

Oh

[shell swift]

Thr mobo slot won't allow it

Tbh I reccomend the mp44l

Or ud90

Ud90 is 80 elsewhere

[shell swift]

Theoretically at max it will be a couple Milliseconds faster lmfao even a gen3 is fine for gaming usage below 4k

Gen5 rlly doesn't have a reason to exist

And gen4 is plenty fast at mid speeds like 2700/3600

[tawny elbow]

Like i womt be able to fit it in or just rhe mb wint let me use cooling

[shell swift]

Both

Look up mobo video of install ssd

It will come with one

[tawny elbow]

So fi i get it ill have to remove the heatsino

[shell swift]

And you can pretty much only use that one

[shell swift]

Yeah but no reason to buy it

[shell swift]

Buy ud90

[shell swift]

This one

And it's still overkill

[tawny elbow]

K, ill see what my dad thinks

And ill check out the msi mobo

[tawny elbow]

My dad s a big fan of asus and msi mobo

[shell swift]

Asus is not very good now. Shitty after sales

And tech support

And rma

If you order comes broken it's your fault

Other stuff too

[tawny elbow]

Ah

[tawny elbow]

What mobi brands are good

Now

[shell swift]

AsRock and MSi is the best. Asrock at the tippy and msi not far behind. Gigabyte is mid, and the rest are kinda shiz.

[tawny elbow]

Wow asrock at the top is surprising

I was going to go with an asrock but it lacks wifi

The b650 pro rs

[shell swift]

One of the best boards. There's a wifi version of pro rs micro atx that is my go to p mucu

[tawny elbow]

ah

[shell swift]

But canada pricing is no bueno

So stick to msi

[tawny elbow]

whats the diff between these 2

[tawny elbow]

aight

[tawny elbow]

wdym

[tawny elbow]

asrock pro rs has mail in rebate rn, only thing is no wifi is a pain

[shell swift]

Tomahawk is better

[shell swift]

Don't get then

[tawny elbow]

aight

man i wish they'd make a version with wifi

[tawny elbow]

oh why is that

[shell swift]

Just a higher class of product with some funner features

And bigger vRMS

[tawny elbow]

wahts that lol

[shell swift]

It's like a s24 vs s24 plus. The plus is just a diffo product

[shell swift]

Voltage regular

[tawny elbow]

oh

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/zFzhP6,LwNxFT,szfxFT,CvcgXL/

out of these then, tomahawk is best

[shell swift]

Yep. Here tomahawk is 100$ usd more then regular b650 plus wifi

Prices in Canada weird lol

It's 270 usd

[tawny elbow]

oh wow

[shell swift]

Tomahawk also comes with a chunky cooler for ssd

Like an absolute unit

[tawny elbow]

so you're telling me i can get the tomahawk for a LOT cheaper than even in us

[shell swift]

Yeah

[tawny elbow]

sounds like a steal to me

[shell swift]

It's 310 cad rn in usa

[tawny elbow]

out of this list tomahawk is best then yeah

[shell swift]

Yep

[tawny elbow]

lmao even undiscounted is better than us

[shell swift]

It's not sale rn here. Sales here are crazy

[tawny elbow]

omg you know whats crazy the white version of the phanteks is still in stock in canada 😭

ok yk what i might just go with buying the case without fans and getting fans seperately then

if i can get the other parts

i dont wanna be sitting waiting for a case to be restocked

ill order the other parts first and then see

[tawny elbow]

@shell swift so the motherboard is completely uncompatible with ssd heatsinks right

[shell swift]

Kinda. But idk why u wanna use it so bad. The msi prolly betta

[tawny elbow]

lmao it looks cool 😭

[shell swift]

Ph u won't see it no matter wut

Ur gpu covers it

[tawny elbow]

oh

how do i see r/w speed in pcpp

[shell swift]

Rlly cant

Use tech power up

[tawny elbow]

bruh my dad's goin "just get 980 pro its not that deep"

[tawny elbow]

@shell swift https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo @shell swift good cooler yeah

[tawny elbow]

i believe it is the one you recommended

@shell swift what fans do you think are best if i choose to buy the xt pro non ultra version

ones that are like equal or greater to those that come with the ultra

[graceful agate]

wow

it normally costs that in usd

[graceful agate]

the vrm is quite cut down on that one though

[tawny elbow]

its a $80 discount

[tawny elbow]

i decided to go with the msi tomahawk

[graceful agate]

yeah
it costs $400 here .-.

[graceful agate]

yeah that's by far the best you'll get at that kind of price

[tawny elbow]

it was a good discount too

only 244 cad

[tawny elbow]

micro center needs to go international

So i got a 980 pro ik it isnt the best in terms of price to performance but its a solid ssd and my dad said its pretty good

Now since the case is crazy shipping what im probably going to do is to get the non ultra version and buy the fans seperate, do you have any recommendatiosn

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo and this is a good cpu cooler yeah

[graceful agate]

that is a good cpu cooler

as for fans i'm not really sure, i'm not much of a fan expert myself

nf-a12s and nf-a14s, as well as their silent wings counterparts from be quiet are good, but neither has rgb and both are very expensive

they're around $20-30 each here

[shell swift]

Cross fingers that it's batch 6+

Mostly cuz batch 1234 and 5 all had faulty nand and other issue s

[tawny elbow]

Aight

[tawny elbow]

Hm ok

@shell swift do u know anything abt fans

[shell swift]

Yep

Go got tl - c12 or any from thermalright. Plenty powerful and cheap

[tawny elbow]

Aight ill tlae a look

For some reason

When i went to proce match cpu

The price went back up

😡

If you check the pcpp graph

It just spikes down and back up

Wtf is this bruh

😡

[tawny elbow]

Why does phanteks advertise usb c in their cases

For data transfer

Is it not better on mono

Mobo

[tawny elbow]

You’d say its better than getting the m25 from phanteks which comes woth the ultra?

The tl-c12 is only 120mm

[shell swift]

If it be cheaper

[shell swift]

Any cheap argb fan is fine

ID cooling is cheap 3 pack that's good

[tawny elbow]

ok, non ultra version comes wi2th a single back fan

[shell swift]

Do u need rgb?

[tawny elbow]

if i have it on the other 3 fans i dont mind having a non rgb one in the back

itll look pretty with th3 in front tho

what is the difference if the ultra has usb c 3.2

[shell swift]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/mc8bt6/id-cooling-xf-12025-argb-trio-62-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-xf-12025-argb-trio

[tawny elbow]

compared to just "normal usb c" on non ultra

[shell swift]

Faster data transfer. Means nothing cuz ull use thr back ports for intensive stuff

[tawny elbow]

i dont see why its necessary

[tawny elbow]

yeah thats i what i thought

motherboard itself has usb c

so basically the only difference if ans

is fans

which i can get decent ones seperately

so it wont be too much of a difference

whether i get ultra or not

and i shold just go with non ultra since it doesnt have $50 shippingf

[tawny elbow]

if i see that a fan doesn't ahve a x-x rpm speed on it does it mean it'll always be the same speed or is it just stating the max speed

[shell swift]

Either or. This one is pwm and controllable tho

Most modern fans are tbh

[tawny elbow]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6 lmao i think the tl-c12

is unbuyable

[tawny elbow]

ok

[shell swift]

Ah ig region thing

[tawny elbow]

buy since thermalright is good im happy im going with it for my cpu cooler

[shell swift]

Yeah. I'd cooling is very good too

I use em often

[tawny elbow]

non rgb verison is $20 lmao

[shell swift]

Yep go figure. Rgb cool tho

[tawny elbow]

mhm. if im not mistaken the only 2 differneces between ultra and non ultra is usb c version and fans right

jsut to be sure

btw @shell swift the m25 is 45

might be worth getting, idk

[shell swift]

Not worth lol

[tawny elbow]

aight

[shell swift]

Get the I'd cooling thing

[tawny elbow]

stick with idcooling ig?

ok

i am only a cpu cooler case+fans and psu away

unfortunately the psu went off sale

@shell swift...

its now over 40

[shell swift]

What

Amazon ca sucks ass

[tawny elbow]

theres shipping

even with prime

[shell swift]

We don't get charged shipping at all

That's part of prime here lel

[tawny elbow]

sad truth.

[tawny elbow]

thats usually in canada

but the thing is

this item is not available in amazon canada

so they ahve to get it from us or smth

[shell swift]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4zxRsY/deepcool-fc120-3-in-1-6191-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-r-fc120-bamn3-g-1

Get this then

[tawny elbow]

at that point why not just the m25? they seem better

and the price is not basically the same

[shell swift]

They arent.

[tawny elbow]

oh i see

why though

just curipousa

[shell swift]

Better pwm

And just better perf fans

[tawny elbow]

whats a pwn and perf lol

[shell swift]

Pwm is the fan controllable thing. This one has more realistic curves and the perf is performance meaning it's blades are better blowing more air

[tawny elbow]

ohh i see

so you'd definitely recommend this over the m25 at the same price

evena t 120 instead of 140

[shell swift]

Ya

[tawny elbow]

ok, as for psu do you still recommend this even though its off sale? (take amazon price cuz memory express has shipping fees)

[shell swift]

Didn't u say u had good price on 850

Lol

[tawny elbow]

and you'd still recomend phantels xt pro right

[tawny elbow]

ye si did but it went off sale

its a bit more expensive now

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/tWMTwP/cooler-master-mwe-gold-850-v2-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpe-8501-afaag-us

this link mb i forgot to apste it

[shell swift]

That or

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/NWstt6/deepcool-pq-m-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-r-pq850m-fa0b-us

[tawny elbow]

if you had to choose which one is better? i believe on the psu tier list this one is rated a and the coolermaster is rated b

[shell swift]

Cultist psu tierlist

Ya

[tawny elbow]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
under A single rail as blue and under b as gold

[shell swift]

Get the pqm

[tawny elbow]

ok, more reliable overall or are there any specific featues

[tawny elbow]

rip did you die

[tawny elbow]

wait isntgetting the fans and case seperately barely even worth it at all

the difference in shipping is $28

difference in price is $25

but then minus $45 for the fans so its basically just $8 difference

and if i wait a bit it might get back in stock in canadian newegg

if so i could also wait to see if the coolermaster will drop back down in price

[graceful agate]

awesome

[graceful agate]

power supplies don't really need features per se they just work
some work better than others thouhg

but yeah if the deepcool one is cheaper definitely get it

[tawny elbow]

i could also wait and see if the other one goes on sale again

in terms of case+fans before i go all in i might wait for a few days to see if the case can be back in stock for newegg canada

iidk how long it might take tho

[graceful agate]

the deepcool one is better though

[tawny elbow]

oh is it? in that case...

[tawny elbow]

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_1938&item_id=221550 on sale rn, i could buy

[graceful agate]

yeah go for it !

[tawny elbow]

aight after this and my cpu cooler i'll just have to deal with my worth nightmare, case

[graceful agate]

yeah that'll be fun

[tawny elbow]

idk if i wanna wait for it to go back it in stock but its a weird situation

wish i could call them and tell them to stock their canada warehouse or somethign

and for some reason only newegg sells it

https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&sca_esv=39a203f7e53a9de7&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA901CA901&sxsrf=ACQVn0-3y1Y_KjXvYUwg3At0zJmvjKR1oQ:1714449213802&q=phanteks+xt+pro+ultra&tbm=shop&source=lnms&prmd=sivnmbtz&ved=1t:200715&ictx=111&biw=1920&bih=911&dpr=1 am i being trolled or do you see this too

i dont think the shopping tab wants to show anyhting

[graceful agate]

on my end it shows it at a bunch of nz retailers

[tawny elbow]

ohh regions ig

[graceful agate]

yeah]

it does show regional pricing

[tawny elbow]

gonna hope newegg realises peoplw ant this item

[tawny elbow]

ah well apparently canada pricing is so garbage

[graceful agate]

although for some reason google shopping seems to favour random obscure trademe and aliexpress sellers over actual shops

[tawny elbow]

doesnt even show newegg even though its the only seller

[tawny elbow]

surprisingly this case wasn't even sold on newegg before feb 19

i guess this is fairly new to the canadian space

perhaps it may be later phased in on amazon or other retailers

because amazon does offer this case iin us

[karmic ibex]

Great

[tawny elbow]

Yep

[tawny elbow]

Phanteks back in canada warehouse but unfortunately no more $10 discount so its only $20 cheaper

[tawny elbow]

@graceful agate im going to but the psu soon so i was reading some reviews on it, noticed it mentioned something about no 12VHPWR connector and how it may be bad for future proofing, what do you think?

@shell swift

[graceful agate]

any cards that need it come with an adapter anyway it's fine

[tawny elbow]

Ok thats good

[tawny elbow]

Got cable ties while i was at it

[tawny elbow]

Ordered case as well

Just cpu cooler ill order tonight

[graceful agate]

awesome

[tawny elbow]

Case is arriving may 7-14, in the meantime is there anything i need to do or tools to get anything i heard from the ltt pc build video something about like mats and anti-static wrist bands, idk if those are really needed

[graceful agate]

i wouldn't be so concerned, just touch bare metal of your power supply every now and then and you should be good

[tawny elbow]

ok, heard touching metal case works too

[graceful agate]

yeah usually

[tawny elbow]

part pricing is so weird the cpu dropped to 189 the other day and i tried to price match, by the time i went it went back up, now its back at 189 if it goes back up tomorrow my brain is actually going to explode

ssd went down $10 at best buy where i got it from, can also get that bacl

[tawny elbow]

ohyeah also do i need a mat on my desk or is the wood on my desk fine

[graceful agate]

it's difficult to say for sure but having a mousepad is nice, that said most desks have decent tracking

[tawny elbow]

I meant like a pad while pc building

I do have a mousepad

Its small but it gets the job done

[graceful agate]

oh yeah that won't be too neccessary

build the pc in your kitchen if possible with something underneath to prevent scratches on the case or bench

[tawny elbow]

kitchen?>??

cani just lay like a bedsheet or something over my desk

[graceful agate]

less static

moving around on carpet makes a lot more static electricity than lino or tiles

[tawny elbow]

Oh what if i do it in my upstairs hallway, its wood floor

Cuz if i did kitchen id need to move the pc upstairs

And its pretty dirty in the kitchen relative to other places

[graceful agate]

yeah that'll be fine

i normally do it in my garage on the concrete floor

usually with a case box or something on the floor to stop scrapes

[tawny elbow]

ah my garage is probably dusty af tho

[tawny elbow]

ok i can just bring my desk out into the hallway yeah and then what should i use to cover the desk to prevent scrapes

[graceful agate]

tbh

probably just take the motherboard out of its box and put it on top of the box

put the cpu and ram and all that in

then put the case flat on the floor and put the motherboard in

[tawny elbow]

Ah

Ok

Sounds good

[tawny elbow]

I could lay it on my canada computers bag probably

[graceful agate]

just do it on the carpet you'll be fine

[tawny elbow]

oh like case on carpet?

but standing on wood for less static

[graceful agate]

by the time you're up to dealing with the case the static shouldn't matter too much, especially if the power supply is in there, plugged in and turned on

[tawny elbow]

Ok

So i can move the case back into my room for case stuff

Oh yeah case shipping is goingfaster than expected, estimated arrival may 6

[tawny elbow]

Bruh canada computers said “price is too low” and that their systems couldnt set the price that low

Now i gotta go all the way to memory expreds

[tawny elbow]

Cpu acquired

And at ONLY $190 🤑

[tawny elbow]

When you count tax its $70 less

[shell swift]

Good deal even in USD normal 190

[tawny elbow]

For sure, the price almost seems fake

[shell swift]

Yafr

[tawny elbow]

Pretty sure its the lowest its ever been

If im lucky, case will arrive tmmrw and i can start building, otherwise it will be one more day

[shell swift]

Siiiiiick

[shell swift]

This is p much best air cooler you can buy beside high perf 100+$ ones

[tawny elbow]

yeah

[tawny elbow]

CASE HAS ARRIVED

BUILD TIME

[karmic ibex]

Pog

[tawny elbow]

Cpu in

[karmic ibex]

Parts list?

[tawny elbow]

You can probably see it in the image lmao, dont have list rn

[tawny elbow]

Where is the power switch pins

Oh found it

T was named funny

I hust started putting my screwdrive rinto random pins

So i was wondeirng whu yf the fmad wete so loud and i realised one of the cables was touching part of the fam

38 degree cpu idle seems good

Nice and consistent

No difference when pushing on cooler

[tawny elbow]

Why is it so hard to remove the motherboard power cord

[pure swift]

are you releasing the clip?

[tawny elbow]

Yeah i got it out eventually

[shell swift]

Turn on

Expo

Or docp

Or eopc

Or whatever it's in ur bios

[tawny elbow]

I will after i figure cable management out

[graceful agate]

or xmp

i know gigabyte uses xmp on at least some of their amd boards

[tawny elbow]

Gpu sagging a little bit

Ill setup pc tmmrw

As for now its comepletely built and in case

Cables managed “well enough”

[tawny elbow]

It had expo and xmp so i did expo

[pallid fable]

Expo a lot better

[tawny elbow]

uhhh

so i have a little bit of a problem

you see i was trying to update bios using flash

but then after i inserted the usb and put it into flash bios mode

when it tried to reboot the green boot and orange dram light came on

and then i restarted the system now it has red cpu light and orange dram light on

and usb is unplugged

idk why

it was working perfectly fine before

@graceful agate

no power outages anything

oh wait

it suddenly decided to work

hold on

ok it seems to work now :P

ok its updating

oh oops new bios version gotta turn on expo again

[graceful agate]

sounds like memory training, give it a few minutes

[graceful agate]

oh

[tawny elbow]

It probably was then

[tawny elbow]

ok currently installing windows

i think the windows 8 pro key worked

my dad had an old one

moment of truth

LETS GO

IT WORKED

SETTING UP RN

YESSS

ok drivers time

crap

wait so

when i get the drivers do i add it to the usb

and keep the windows on the usb

wait why is the usb showing up as 32 gb on my laptop

its 128

[tawny elbow]

Nvm

Got it working

YAY MICROSOFT

🔥

ok so

the windows 8 key doesnt seem to be working

but i dont have the watermark

[tawny elbow]

oh

so like they stopped letting windows 7/8 keys be used

bruh

it was literally a few months ago

[novel beacon]

Why are you trying to use a windows 8 key

Seems kinda strange to me

[tawny elbow]

My dad had one lying around from like 10 years ago

does anyone got any good ways for activation without paying like $200 lol

[wintry abyss]

You can get a windows 10 key for like 15 bucks

[tawny elbow]

Yeah idk whats a good reliable source though

[wintry abyss]

https://m.gvgmall.com/

[tawny elbow]

What about like keysfan which ztt recommends and kinguin which tom’s hardware recommends or whokeys which was also recommended by some people on youtube

[wintry abyss]

Any of them would work

[tawny elbow]

Ok, just wanna know what to kinda look out for to make sure i dont get scammed

[tawny elbow]

So the main thing is that with oem i cant transfer to a new mobo right

[wintry abyss]

Yes

[tawny elbow]

And i dont get microsoft tech support but who needs that

[wintry abyss]

The key is linked to ur motherboard

[tawny elbow]

Should be fine then with my am5 mobo

[wintry abyss]

Yeah