i need help

[lament ocean]

I wanna build a new pc (idk how much it would chost) and idk if i wanna go for a Intel or AMD cpu

also whats best bang for buck 4070ti or 4070 TI super

[flint hearth]

AMD

[flint hearth]

What are their prices?

[lament ocean]

ti is 765 euro and ti super is 979

[flint hearth]

Yeah the Ti easily

[lament ocean]

alr

[flint hearth]

Like 200 more for 9% more performance 💀

[lament ocean]

also ryzen 7 7800X3D best or is 5 better

with bang for buck

[flint hearth]

?

[lament ocean]

like

[flint hearth]

What is "5"?

[lament ocean]

ryzen 7 7800X3D or ryzen 5 7600X

[flint hearth]

7800 easy

[lament ocean]

its like a 100 euro diference

140

[flint hearth]

Still better

[lament ocean]

alr

also new boards only have 2 ram slots?

like this one

2 ram slots and 1 gpu slot?

oh wait its micro

also i do already have the case

https://www.antec.com/product/case/nx260

but its a meh

[twilit arch]

What country

[twilit arch]

Neither

[twilit arch]

Depends on resolution

[lament ocean]

netherlands

[lament ocean]

bro

[twilit arch]

Is this a whole build?

If so what’s the budget

And use case

And resolution you’re gonna use

[lament ocean]

i dont really have a budget

[lament ocean]

ill check what my monitor can do

[twilit arch]

$6000 4090 build then

[lament ocean]

both screens

[lament ocean]

nah i mean i have to get the cash myself but that will take to long

[twilit arch]

Do you have a pc already

[lament ocean]

like max 2 to 3k

[lament ocean]

yes

best pc ever

[twilit arch]

What specs

We could reuse a lot of stuff probably

[lament ocean]

GTX 1660TI
64GB ram
2tb storage
amd ryzen 5 3600

i will reuse the ram and storage prob

like 700W psu

[twilit arch]

Hmm

Prob just get a 5800X3D

[lament ocean]

nah i wanna get a new pc with better stuff

[twilit arch]

The 5800X3D is very much better

[lament ocean]

7000 serie isnt really expensive

[twilit arch]

What speed and timings is that ram at

[lament ocean]

its ddr4 idk

ill check in a sec

[twilit arch]

You can use zentimings and send a screenshot

[lament ocean]

3200 MHz

CORSAIR Vengeance LPX - Geheugen DDR4 -
64 GB: 2 x 32 GB - 288-PIN - 3200 MHz - CL1 thats it

[twilit arch]

That doesn’t have timings tho

https://zentimings.protonrom.com/

Just send a screenshot of that tool

[twilit arch]

Uhh you might not have XMP on

[lament ocean]

?

[twilit arch]

Those are really bad speeds and timings

[lament ocean]

rip

[twilit arch]

Ram has built in overclocking that brings it to the speed on the package called xmp

But you have to turn it on manually

[lament ocean]

its in bios?

[twilit arch]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/394794/how-to-enable-xmp-to-run-your-ram-at-full-speed.html

Yeah

[lament ocean]

ill do that later then

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HYH6dH

i got this rn

[flint hearth]

RAM is atrocious

SSDs are slow

PSU is not even a C tier

You want A for this build

[lament ocean]

;-;

[lament ocean]

Also @flint hearth how would this run a Minecraft server

[flint hearth]

Not sure

[lament ocean]

It’s 128gb ram 2tb ssd

[flint hearth]

Too much RAM probably

[lament ocean]

Will that actually be worse?

Also 3.4GHz core clock

At base

[lament ocean]

Will that be worse then like 32 then?

[flint hearth]

Probably

It's a Xeon so I'm not sure

[lament ocean]

How

[flint hearth]

4 sticks can't run as fast as 2

Same for higher capacity sticks

[lament ocean]

I think it’s 2/64

So 2 sticks of 64gig

[flint hearth]

That sounds super slow

[lament ocean]

https://creoserver.com/refurbished-workstations/refurbished-hp-workstations/hp-workstation-z640-dual-heatsink-437/hp-z640-dual-heatsink-lff-386

Just made it off there

It’s 2400Mhz or 2666Mhz

[flint hearth]

Garbage

[lament ocean]

It’s ddr4

[flint hearth]

Should be 3200 for that

[lament ocean]

😭

It’s Atleast better then what I have rn

It’s for a server not to play Minecraft itself

[flint hearth]

Might be more intensive

[lament ocean]

I think 2666 or 2400 more then enough

[twilit arch]

I return

[twilit arch]

I was just thinking that if you already have pretty good quality ram on AM4

you could just stick with it

and upgrade cpu

but if you have mid ram you might as well sell it and go AM5

[twilit arch]

isn't apevia galaxy a bomb?

[flint hearth]

Think so

[twilit arch]

dear god

that ram

😭

[lament ocean]

?

Which one

[twilit arch]

if that's how you buy ram then your ddr4 might just run at that speed with or without xmp

[lament ocean]

Huh?

[twilit arch]

this is the shittiest ram known to man

no offense

but you need to like actually try

to find ram this bad

[lament ocean]

I just took the cheapest lol

Cuz I’m gonna keep my ram

[twilit arch]

damn why is decent ram so expensive in nl

[lament ocean]

?

[twilit arch]

also

use https://nl.pcpartpicker.com

it shows prices in euros

[twilit arch]

it's like 240 euros

in us similar kits are under $200

and 240 euros is 261 usd

[lament ocean]

Oh

[twilit arch]

@lament ocean do you have a case already

I assume so

[lament ocean]

Im gonna sell the case

So no

[twilit arch]

ah

ok

[lament ocean]

I wanna get a black pc prob

Cuz my wall is also black

Also I don’t really care a lot about rgb

[twilit arch]

yeah the build I'm making has all black parts so far

[lament ocean]

W

[twilit arch]

@lament ocean is there a reason you need 64 gigs of ram

bc all the 64 gig kits are priced really badly

it might be better to get 32 now and throw in 32 more if needed down the road

[lament ocean]

Do 32

[lament ocean]

Like 4x16 maby?

[twilit arch]

yeah

2x16

and then another 2x16 later if needed

[lament ocean]

How much is 2x32?

[twilit arch]

the 32 gig gits are still $10 more than in US but that's like fine

[twilit arch]

almost 250 euros

2x16 is 100

[lament ocean]

Wtf

[twilit arch]

ik right

the kit you chose is like the one kit that doesn't cost a kidney

[lament ocean]

Lol

[lament ocean]

Hmm

[twilit arch]

except it runs like shit...

[lament ocean]

Your bringing me on a idea

Sell my kidney and buy 4090 setup?

[twilit arch]

💀

ong

[lament ocean]

And a good server

[twilit arch]

also the ram has rgb now because the cheapest kit was rgb

just turn the rgb off ig

[lament ocean]

It’s fine

Yea

[twilit arch]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/kj9fjH

[flint hearth]

6400?

[twilit arch]

cheaper than 6000 for some reason

[flint hearth]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/jxdppB

[twilit arch]

idk whats up with the europe market

[flint hearth]

More performance

[twilit arch]

they at 1080p

uneeded

[flint hearth]

Meh

It's 80 dollars

[twilit arch]

I considered the gre but was like

waste of money

@lament ocean you think you're gonna upgrade your monitors at some point in the near future?

[lament ocean]

Yes 10000%

[twilit arch]

ok

gre it is

[lament ocean]

Im running 60Hz monitors now lol

[twilit arch]

this list

[twilit arch]

😭

[lament ocean]

Yep here aswell

Hmm

[twilit arch]

pretty badly actually

without performance mods

[lament ocean]

I use paper

And furder idk

[twilit arch]

I was talking more like fabric + performance mods

for multithreaded stuff

a 7600 would probably run minecraft better than that server

[lament ocean]

You mean a Minecraft server

[twilit arch]

yeah

even my intel nuc can manage because it has 2 cores but good single threaded performance

[lament ocean]

But it won’t go for as cheap ad that server is

[twilit arch]

how cheap is that other server

[lament ocean]

The workstation I send is like 10 euro now but it’s bidding

Will prob go for like 60

[twilit arch]

damn

could just get it and try overclocking

or run fabric w/ performance mods

[lament ocean]

Paper also has performance mods

[twilit arch]

yeah getting a server new would be something like this

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/7ydppB

way more expensive

[lament ocean]

Also I could just make it a hyperv server

Or proxmox

And then making the Minecraft server on there

[twilit arch]

paper has improved performance but it isn't as good as fabric

[twilit arch]

you're gonna want to run linux on a server either way

[lament ocean]

Im using mineos

On proxmox rn

But my dad is hating me cuz I’m stealing his ram and storage and stuff

And the server has ddr3 ram 😭

And cpu base clock is bad

[flint hearth]

Base clock?

[twilit arch]

that seems to just be linux with a web gui preinstalled

[flint hearth]

NVM

[lament ocean]

I’ll have to check

[flint hearth]

Don't change BCLK

[lament ocean]

But it’s like 2.4

[twilit arch]

@flint hearth https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/81900/intel-xeon-processor-e5-2643-v3-20m-cache-3-40-ghz.html

[lament ocean]

If not less

[flint hearth]

No BCLK is what everything is based off. Changing it can kill drives

[lament ocean]

What

[flint hearth]

BCLK is something you don't fuck with unless your board has a generator like mine

[lament ocean]

I was talking about my dads base server clock

Server cpu clock*

[flint hearth]

Yeah, I was talking about BCLK for whatever reason

But that increases the CPU clocks

[lament ocean]

also you guys really want me to swap to AMD gpu

lol

if i buy the workstation i said i upgrade the CPU base clock from 2.67GHz to 3.5GHz

also more storage and ram

around 1.9TB more storage and 122GB ram

[twilit arch]

minecraft only needs like 16 gigs

[lament ocean]

uhhhh

im using 16 rn

[twilit arch]

the ram in this thing is way more than enough

like on a server?

[lament ocean]

yep

16gb ram 6 cores and 100gb SAS

[twilit arch]

you probably just allocated 16 gigs to java

I doubt it's actually using that much

[lament ocean]

to the server itself

[twilit arch]

ah

[lament ocean]

to like the virtual machine

[twilit arch]

yeah

[lament ocean]

my server is using 11 rn

with only 2 ppl online

but

loading chunks is slow

[twilit arch]

the amount of ram the java process is using isn't the actual amount being used by the server

it's just whatever you've passed into the -Xmx option

[lament ocean]

i gave it 14

[twilit arch]

then it hasn't even allocated all of it yet

[lament ocean]

but so i should buy the pc on this link

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/jxdppB

that link

dont mind the pic

[twilit arch]

like at some point your server's ram usage probably spiked to 8 gigs

and java allocated 11 just to be safe

and java never deallocates ram

[lament ocean]

if i buy the 128GB ram one ill just give it 128gb ram at first to load alot of chunks

then ill just keep it at like 32 maby

[flint hearth]

?

[lament ocean]

minecraft sever

server

[flint hearth]

128 then 32?

[lament ocean]

yes

[flint hearth]

You can't just take away allocated RAM

That just no

[lament ocean]

proxmox

...

[flint hearth]

Just get 32 gigs then

[lament ocean]

its gonna take to long to load in chunks

[flint hearth]

Less RAM available doesn't change speed at all

And it's not like more RAM inherently means more chunks

[lament ocean]

as i can see here

more RAM = faster loading

also if i get 128 i can use the workstation for more stuff aswell

[flint hearth]

Not necessarily

If it's only using 32 gigs than more won't change anything

[lament ocean]

if im gonna load 10k chunks it will prob change a bit

[twilit arch]

better

just run linux on it instead of proxmox

then use KVM to run virtual machines

you can run most services on the linux host without a VM (on bare metal)

and keep a couple things in docker containers or VMs as needed

then you don't need to deal with allocating a specific amount of ram to everything

[lament ocean]

I did it btw