Amd or Nvidia

[honest reef]

Im looking to upgrade from a gtx 750, but i font know what to get, the rx 580 8gb or the gtx 1050ti? (for fps games like cs2)

Pc specs:
i5 3470
8gb ram
1tb hdd
700 psu

[gaunt drum]

Rx580

[honest reef]

Thanks

[soft badger]

What model PSU

[honest reef]

ATX-700WA-14-85(87)

[soft badger]

What brand?

Also that doesn't sound like a model

I mean like for example: Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1200W

[honest reef]

Only says made by PARTIS inc

Works fine

[soft badger]

Until it explodes from an upgrade

[honest reef]

Dont think so

[soft badger]

That's not even on the list

I wouldn't trust it at all

[honest reef]

Well i didnt build the pc so idk

[soft badger]

There's a reason I got myself an A+ PSU

Anyways trash it if you ever get anything like a 5700 or up

[honest reef]

Bought it with a gtx 680 but it died off from long usage

[honest reef]

Ill send a picture

[soft badger]

It might be a decent C tier, just not sure. I doubt that first thing you sent is the model, sounds like something else

[soft badger]

Like a specification or something

[soft badger]

You gotta do better than that

Hold it steady then take the shot

[honest reef]

Bro it was prebuild

Hands shaky

[soft badger]

Don't have a better photo

Stabilize it on the ground

[soft badger]

Not on the tierlist of course

[honest reef]

Well what can you expect for 220

Euros

But it works perfectly for me

[soft badger]

Used workstation for let's do $80 cause we can, the $60 Rx 580, then a $50 MSI mag A650BN

Crazy I know but it's possible

[honest reef]

In lithuania those prices might be higher

[soft badger]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-day-darwinism-i-got-this-gif-6198730080899644540

[honest reef]

I even saw a gtx1630 or 1650 for 3k

Euros

[gaunt drum]

How does the price of a used rx580 compare to a 1050ti

[soft badger]

@gaunt drum thoughts on this thing

[honest reef]

Might be higher on the marketplace than the rx 580

[gaunt drum]

Uhhh. It doesn’t even look 80+ certified (I know that’s not the be all and end all, but it’s still important to have)

[soft badger]

What a crock of shit

[gaunt drum]

What?

[soft badger]

RX 580 whoops that 1050 Ti by 64%

[honest reef]

Whats the "typical 87 efficiency" Sticker for

[soft badger]

Some goofy standard we aren't aware of cause it's foreign

Can't trust it like you can't too much with 80+

[gaunt drum]

I can also see a sticker that says 2013

[honest reef]

Yeah ik the pc is old asf

[gaunt drum]

Yeah

Probably want to look at a used office pc like @soft badger was saying

[honest reef]

Alr so there is a single fan gtx 1050 ti for 55 and a two fan for 95

[honest reef]

I have one but its too small for any gpus

[gaunt drum]

No meaningful difference. What’s the rx580 pricing

[honest reef]

Even the gtx 750 low profile

[honest reef]

Same as the two fan

[soft badger]

Not even close to the draw required for dual fans

Hell my XTX would probably be fine with a dual fan cooler

[gaunt drum]

The rx580 is the best budget gpu

[soft badger]

It would certainly get toasty but wouldn't overheat

[honest reef]

What abt a rx 570 8gb for 55

[soft badger]

Let me check but the 580s are better

[gaunt drum]

The 580 is quite a bit better

[soft badger]

15%

[honest reef]

Yeah

[soft badger]

RX 480 is also better than the 570 by 8%

[honest reef]

Damn

[soft badger]

Let's see how mine compares

The XTX is 614% stronger than the 570

Damn

If I'm getting 60 then the 570 is getting 10

[honest reef]

If ill get a replacement gpu i might stop playing hoi4

[gaunt drum]

Its also more than 600% more expensive

[soft badger]

I think that's how it works

[soft badger]

Worth it

Also tell that to the 4090

[gaunt drum]

The 4090 is only worth it if you need 4K max rt

[honest reef]

I think ill have to stop playing hoi4 if i get another gpu, it can kill it again

For some rsn

[soft badger]

Rt is nice but it's not worth it most of the time

Only in Cyberpunk for the puddles

Worth IMO

[honest reef]

True

[soft badger]

Just reflections cause only care about the puddles

[gaunt drum]

Yeah. 4K gaming is also dumb

[soft badger]

Also wow that sounds goofy as hell

[honest reef]

There is 16k gaming also

[soft badger]

1440 is all you need

[gaunt drum]

What?

[honest reef]

You didnt know that?

[soft badger]

4 4090s in SLI?

[gaunt drum]

I have seen 1 video of 16k gaming and it was utterly useless

[honest reef]

I saw a guy trying a single rtx 4090 on microsoft flight sim up to 16k

[soft badger]

I get 60 frames in that game

Not the game for 16k for sure

[gaunt drum]

The 4090 wouldn’t be able to hit that

[soft badger]

Maybe try that in Minecraft

[gaunt drum]

Dp 1.4 doesn’t have the bandwidth

[soft badger]

Modded of course

[honest reef]

It was still capable on 8k with ultra+ the boost thing

[soft badger]

So 4 4090s in SLI but oh

That doesn't exist because why would it

Also why doesn't that exist?

I'd love to have people buying like 5 of my cards every 2 years

[gaunt drum]

4K gaming is dumb, 8k is beyond the ppi of your eyes at any reasonable viewing distance, so 16k is even more useless

[soft badger]

1440 is where it's at

[gaunt drum]

Sli was too expensive for the few people it was serving

[honest reef]

Imagine getting a rtx 4090 just to play roblox on max at 16k

[gaunt drum]

Wouldn’t work

Dp 1.4 can’t do 16k

[soft badger]

4090 for gorilla tag 💀

[gaunt drum]

Gotta get the 7900xtx

[soft badger]

Always fun getting the occasional 50FPS

I wonder WTAF the beam devs are on

The game is in "alpha" apparently

How is that alpha? It feels like release

[honest reef]

When was rtx 4090 released

[soft badger]

Techpowerup.com

Oh discord you dumbass platform

Nobody is actually typing Https://

[honest reef]

K 2022

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAWgc0_V9w0I&ved=2ahUKEwjT7s_x49qEAxXE-wIHHfO4CPQQwqsBegQIDxAF&usg=AOvVaw2FT6zsnCrlhrDE1zYlmGpB

Bruh

Mobile doesnt show

Its just the guy on flight sim

[gaunt drum]

But even dp2.1 having a max res of 16k is useless. The real purpose is driving 3 4K monitors from the same port (or 2 4K monitors at 144hz)

[soft badger]

Isn't HDMI better though?

More bandwidth

Also audio

[gaunt drum]

Dp2.1 is far ahead of hdmi

[soft badger]

More bandwidth?

[gaunt drum]

Yes

Especially with DSC

[soft badger]

It's weird my card has 2 DP and 2 HDMI

Only need one HDMI

[honest reef]

Is there one 16k monitor tho or just several connected

[soft badger]

Just get a life at that point

[gaunt drum]

To get 16k, you’d need more than one monitor

[soft badger]

16k is not even close to useful

[gaunt drum]

But again, it’s a stupid waste of time and money

[honest reef]

Bro i have a life

[honest reef]

Yeah i understand

[soft badger]

Wayyyy too many pixels for your eyes to actually use

[honest reef]

True

[soft badger]

Also, @gaunt drum what do you think the refresh rate of the human eye is?

It's interesting, it changes depending on what's happening

[honest reef]

Above 3k i think

[soft badger]

Id guess it's around 90Hz but hear me out...

[gaunt drum]

Uncompressed, dp2.1 is the same as hdmi 2.1. With dsc, it goes from 10k to 16k max res (or from dual 4K 144hz to dual 8k 120hz)

[honest reef]

My bad its 60hz

[gaunt drum]

There isn’t really a refresh rate of the eye, but I’ve heard an equivalent would be like 500hz

[soft badger]

The thing is real life is basically infinite FPS so any display will add motion blur

[honest reef]

Thats the max

[soft badger]

Really above 90Hz most of the time I think it's just motion blur reduction

[gaunt drum]

It’s also way higher than 60hz

[honest reef]

But generally its 60

[soft badger]

500 sounds right though

Just depends on what's happening

[honest reef]

Bro i have the info infront of me

[gaunt drum]

The fact that 144+hz monitors are so much better to play on is proof of that

[honest reef]

Thats the max tested

[soft badger]

A cursor is much easier to judge rate from than an actual game for example

[honest reef]

Yes

What resolutions do you use?

[gaunt drum]

3440x1440 at 144hz is basically the best bang-for-the-buck monitor

More refresh rate gets into the diminishing returns

Same with the resolution

[honest reef]

Nahhh why did my pc just erase all my shit when i woke up

Crazy

[gaunt drum]

What?

[honest reef]

I dont have a explanation either

[soft badger]

💀

[honest reef]

But for sure i wont buy a pc under 300 bc it will become sentient and boot itself on sleep mode at night

It happened mostly at summer last year or so

Alr gtg

[honest reef]

Yeah, this idea wont work as the psu there is only 180W and you can hardly replace it

Recently checked it

[nocturne stratus]

It's like 540

I think

[gaunt drum]

yeah youll have to look at a different pc with a better psu

the hp z420, 440, 620 have pretty decent psus

[nocturne stratus]

I think people use 12K

At least 12K cameras

[honest reef]

K so it was a eurocase brand

[honest reef]

Ok

[honest reef]

But its bad from what ibe seen online

Ive*

I might use it for a little longer until i understand the cable connections

[soft badger]

?

[honest reef]

Those cables connecting components, bc my knowledge ends there

[soft badger]

Well don't reuse them

Also come on

That's so easy

I can help with that

The "hardest" part of that is the EPS and PCIe

[honest reef]

Alr

Pcie is like for gpus

[soft badger]

EPS is either 4 or 8 pins, usually 4+4

It's for the CPU and goes on the mobo, usually the top left

PCIe is for the GPU and is usually 6+2

[honest reef]

Yeah i have but only 6x2 and 2x2 for gpu cable connection

[soft badger]

2+2? Send a photo

[honest reef]

k

[soft badger]

Don't see any 2+2

Both are 6+2

Also aren't you going to get a better PSU?

[honest reef]

Possibly

[soft badger]

Definitely do that before a GPU upgrade

[honest reef]

I mean there are two 6 pins and two 2 pins

[soft badger]

An a650vn is $60

[soft badger]

Yeah 6+2

[honest reef]

I actually had and gtx 780 but im not sure if those 6+2 really fit the 8pin

[honest reef]

Would that be enough for a rx 580 tho

[soft badger]

They do

[soft badger]

Bruh let me see how little that uses

650W PSU

[honest reef]

Strange bc wheen i booted the pc up with the card it worked like fans spinned but there wasnt any signal output

[honest reef]

Alr

[soft badger]

Yeah it needs to wake up first. Also first time it can do that

Can also do an A550BN which is $50 but why not go $10 more for 100 extra watts

[honest reef]

It was even after 2-3 times

[soft badger]

I want to blame the PSU

[honest reef]

Could be, its a low end after all

Also would the i3 6100 be better than the i5 3470

[honest reef]

Corsair TX650W Power Supply, would this be better or kinda same?

[soft badger]

Has to be

But would need an actual source

[soft badger]

TXm? Also 80+ gold?

[honest reef]

I think idk

[soft badger]

How much is it? Cheaper than the MSI?

[honest reef]

I just know a site in my country that has very good deals

[soft badger]

Well check the MSI

[honest reef]

Cost: 33

Cards there are at normal prices

[soft badger]

And the MSI?

Send the link for the Corsair

[honest reef]

Im not sure what youre talking abt

[soft badger]

How much is an A650BN?

[honest reef]

1.9x more

[soft badger]

Link the Corsair

[honest reef]

https://elektronikostaskas.lt/produktas/maitinimo-blokas-corsaisr-tx650w-power-supply-650w/

Do you know if dutzo is a low end psu?

[soft badger]

Sounds like a bomb

[honest reef]

probably

[soft badger]

Can you link some images of the PSU

Sites not working for me

[honest reef]

K the dutzo ?

[soft badger]

The Corsair, also want to see that cooler master

[honest reef]

Theres just that

They have a 30day guarantee fast shipping

Actually i could take the 1000w

[soft badger]

Not on the list, wayyy too cheap for 1000 watts, I'd say F tier

[soft badger]

You wish

[honest reef]

But parents wont let tho

[soft badger]

What?

[honest reef]

Idk what their mindset is dont really care

[soft badger]

So images of the Corsair

Specifically want to see the label listing wattage and such

And the side one

[honest reef]

Thats all it is there

• they are probably used

[soft badger]

Any 80+ certification?

[honest reef]

And ive been on their like live shop, and they actually do good deals even for pcs

[honest reef]

You can check that on the sites

Actually is there a way to test gpu wattage?

Well yeah with the gpu but idk

[honest reef]

Its should be an 80+ bronze

[soft badger]

1. Expensive ass testing equipment
2. PC you don't care about
3. Jerry rigging something

[soft badger]

Think this is what they mean in the list.https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-TX750M-Certified-Modular-Supply/dp/B00FZLD2O0#

[honest reef]

Yeah the 2 second one is funny

[honest reef]

A

My bad

[soft badger]

That's the good one

So try to find the MSI I've been talking about

Also can do an Apevia Prestige or a TT smart BM3

@honest reef what country are you in?

[honest reef]

Lithuania

[soft badger]

Great

[soft badger]

So these

Find those, can also ask me about anything you find

[honest reef]

Well i kinda like it there + the marketplace has affordable stuff

[honest reef]

K

[soft badger]

Setting this to all messages so no need to @

[honest reef]

Bruh wth, after i restarted my pc and cleaned the hdd i see the stuff that the pc took

[soft badger]

Took?

Cleaned?

[honest reef]

Hid or idk

Bruh

[soft badger]

Downloaded anything suspicious lately?

[honest reef]

No

But met some shady dude from SA on epic games

[soft badger]

Found that MSI yet?

[honest reef]

Its like a specification or the msi company?

I didnt get it

[soft badger]

MSI company

[honest reef]

Ah

[soft badger]

The MSI® Mag A650BN

The a550 is fine too

[honest reef]

I did find it, it was 61 euro

[soft badger]

Good

That's a great C tier PSU

[honest reef]

Or 60 in other shops

[soft badger]

Look for the other ones but I'd probably get that

[honest reef]

Should i try that one tho

[soft badger]

There is no more "trying" after something explodes

[honest reef]

Eh but i trust them tho

Made several purchases in the past

[soft badger]

They don't care about you

That PSU is quite old

[honest reef]

The corsair 650?

[soft badger]

Don't put trust into these faceless companies

[soft badger]

Yes it's not on the list so not trustworthy

The BM3 is an exception though

Just get the MSI

It's the PSU

Cheaping out on that is like cheaping out on your airbags

[honest reef]

Alr ill take the msi one

Probably the psu might worse stuff there but something else could be good

[soft badger]

?

[honest reef]

I checked other components there, and theyre kinda good for my motherboard

[soft badger]

?

[honest reef]

Just other used components there

[soft badger]

What parts and what makes them good for the board?

[honest reef]

Board is a old gigabyte h61m s1

Wrong thing to reply on oof

[soft badger]

What parts did you check

[honest reef]

Ram, gpu, storage

[soft badger]

And the ones you chose are...

[honest reef]

Gpus mostly elsewhere

[honest reef]

Well i have rn 4×2 corsair

[soft badger]

At least it's dual channel

[honest reef]

But im hoping to go for 8×2

[soft badger]

RAM brand is the most useless thing

[honest reef]

As thats the max

[soft badger]

What matters is who made the chips

If your gonna OC it of course

[honest reef]

Ok

[soft badger]

Otherwise speed and timings matter

[honest reef]

Abt this, no i didnt download something suspiciuos

[soft badger]

You already said that

[honest reef]

Alright

[honest reef]

ive got one last question, how do i clean the dust properly

or just in general the pc

[soft badger]

Preferably an electric duster

Also hold the fans so they don't explode

[honest reef]

alr

well they are currently held very good

[soft badger]

?

No I mean the blades snap off

[honest reef]

ah

[soft badger]

Like it will explode

[gaunt drum]

Also current going back into the board can be an issue

[soft badger]

Doubt it but yeah

Not worried with mine

Apparently you're not supposed to hot swap PWM fans

Also considering how they are 12W and up, I heavily doubt a little current going back will do anything

[gaunt drum]

Yeah it used to be a thing, but most, if not all motherboards have protection

[honest reef]

Actually i forgot to ask, but would it work with the GIGABYTE h61m s1 motherboard?

I kinda suck on researching those topics

Thats why im asking

[fossil vale]

No h610 chipset Is good idea unless server or budget > 400

[honest reef]

i already had it from 2020 on a used pc

or 2021

[tacit parcel]

https://youtu.be/Toft6fMvByA

how quick we forget