#is this a good build

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stoic musk
spark lily
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do you need nvidia for anything?

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like raytracing or productivity?

supple folio
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something to consider is intel has no upgrade path as they are switching to a new socket

spark lily
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yes

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ima try making an AM5 build with the same budget

supple folio
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yeah

spark lily
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could also ditch the AIO then

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and get a phantom spirit in there

supple folio
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the apus are out too

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though 7000 is still great

stoic musk
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i don't really know stuff about pc but i'm looking for a gaming pc with rgb to

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the aio looks cool that's why i got it

spark lily
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I mean you could go for looks

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but you could also spend that budget on more performance instead

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hold up

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@stoic musk is budget $1500 usd?

supple folio
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id recommend not doing that. i know from experience because i also wanted a flashy rgb filled computer, but i only got mid parts and i wish i put money into performance not looks

spark lily
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I just chose bad parts

supple folio
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that too

spark lily
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could have gotten b dies if I spent $10 extra on the ram

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😭

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I did somehow find a 6650xt at msrp during the shortage though

supple folio
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had i waited just a few more months i could have saved a lot. i feel like i built mine right before inflation prices started to drop

spark lily
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you can get a 7800XT build for $1200

supple folio
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i spent nearly 1k cad on a 6600xt, which has never really worked too well and nothing ive done has sorted it out.

anyways. lets not get too off topic!

stoic musk
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@spark lily

spark lily
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is this cad or usd

supple folio
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im going to assume usd given that gpu is like 700 cad

spark lily
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ok

spark lily
supple folio
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i just checked, not worth getting a 7700 xt to save a couple bucks. only a $50 difference

spark lily
spark lily
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for $1500 you can get 7900 xt

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80% faster than 4060ti

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@stoic musk

supple folio
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how much would it be to have the 7800xt with the 7600x?

spark lily
spark lily
supple folio
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oh wow

spark lily
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hol up

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that build is $1300

supple folio
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oh? it says thats the 7600

spark lily
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yeah the 7600 and 7600x are literally the same cpu

spark lily
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$1233

spark lily
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sometimes the 7600x is cheaper

supple folio
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gotcha

spark lily
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to turn a 7600x insto a 7600 you turn on eco mode

supple folio
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ah

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ill note that down for whenever go next gen, if i stick with amd

spark lily
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@supple folio I think the 7600X may have slightly better silicon but the difference between them with PBO enabled on the 7600 is under a percent

supple folio
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ah, nice

spark lily
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here

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0.4% in this specific test

stoic musk
spark lily
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best value is that $1200 7800XT build

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best performance would be this one

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the XTX is 45% faster than the 7800XT but a build with it costs 50% more

stoic musk
spark lily
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And has a better mobos

stoic musk
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think ima go with yours tho

spark lily
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my bad

spark lily
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I sent 3 lol

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also it depends on how much performance you want

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even a 7800XT is a lot faster than a 4060 ti

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so you could save and go with the $1200 build if you want

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like if you want to game at 1080p the 7800XT is probably enough

stoic musk
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and 2 tbs

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and are the fans on top

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u gotta put on too @spark lily

spark lily
spark lily
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I made a better version since then

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Cheaper cooler

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Let me make a 2TB version

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Of it

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Ok I just edited the $1500 build

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The best value ssd literally changes every few days

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😭

stoic musk
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u could find a aio for me and some fans i'll pay over budget @spark lily

spark lily
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most you should pay for is a phantom spirit evo

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also that case comes with good fans

stoic musk
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u could find some fans for me for the top panel @spark lily

spark lily
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the 4 included fans provide more than enough airflow

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especially since they're all 140mm

stoic musk
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ok i was just saying since all the reviews have fans on them

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@spark lily

spark lily
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that seems to have the stock 4 fans and an AIO

stoic musk
spark lily
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also you usually want an AIO with intel cpus because they use so much more power

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but with AMD cpus even a cheap air cooler is fine

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if you want you can get a phantom spirit evo for $10 more

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itll improve temps a bit

stoic musk
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for the cpu?

spark lily
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yes

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the good choices are either this or the frost tower thats in the build

stoic musk
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got the 1st one

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u jsut sent

spark lily
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honestly

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thats a $1500 build I might as well swap the evo back in

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it has been done

stoic musk
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pretty sure it's the 2nd one u sent

spark lily
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however

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get the cpu, mobo, and gpu off newegg

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instead of amazon

dense crypt
spark lily
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like the list says on the side here

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spark lily
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this list

dense crypt
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Yes but why is it a screen recording of an amazon cart

spark lily
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bc theyre making sure they're ordering the right stuff on amazon ig

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@stoic musk you have the amount to buy on the case set as 2

stoic musk
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oh thanks didn't see

spark lily
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dont buy 2 cases by accident lol

stoic musk
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also i really want to use the aio it looks cool are aios bad ?

spark lily
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it does look better

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however

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I make my parts lists based only on performance

stoic musk
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aw ok

spark lily
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and for how much more the aios cost they only decrease your temps by like a degree or two on ryzen cpus

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you can still get one if you want, but idk anything about AIOs

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you would have to ask someone else

stoic musk
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ok ima just get what u gave me

spark lily
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also keep in mind a straight up block of metal fins with fans on it will always be more reliable than an AIO, because there's less moving parts

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the lifespan of either an aio or a regular cooler is still many years though

dense crypt
stoic musk
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i will update u guys on the build in a couple weeks prob

spark lily
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@stoic musk one last thing before you buy it

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Do you care about raytracing at all

stoic musk
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what's it for?

spark lily
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Because AMD gpus are about 20% worse in raytracing

spark lily
stoic musk
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oh then yea

spark lily
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Problem is it absolutely tanks your fps

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So many people don’t like it

stoic musk
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yea u right i really could just get a mod

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to make the game look better

spark lily
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Well raytracing is a different method of rendering the game

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Read that article

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Itll probably get more important as it matures in the next few years

stoic musk
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ok so it make the game more realistic, i'll take that then it should make my fps drop that much

spark lily
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Like for example

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In cyperpunk with ray tracing off you can get around 110 fps at 1440p

stoic musk
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and with it it drops like 10 fos?

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fps

spark lily
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If you turn on raytracing you’ll be getting 34 fps

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On the 7900xt

stoic musk
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oh hell nah then lol

spark lily
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Yeah thats why people dont like it lmao

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If you take nvidia’s 4070 ti

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Which is the same price as the 7900 xt

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You will be getting 98 fps in cyperpunk instead of 109 (without raytracing)

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With raytracing it will run at around 47

stoic musk
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ok yea i'll just stick to this build

spark lily
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So beating the 7900 xt in raytracing even though it loses normally

stoic musk
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yea i figured

spark lily
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Do you really wanna halve your fps to make the game look a little better lol

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Here is chart

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The % is how much performance the card loses consistently to non raytracing

spark lily
stoic musk
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yea that'll be a waste of gpu then

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so the 7900 gives good fps

spark lily
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Yes

stoic musk
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？

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ight bet

spark lily
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What games do you play and at what resolution

stoic musk
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i play rust five m and mainly fps games and story games like hogwarts and kratos

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usually at 1440 i think

spark lily
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Yeah go with this build then

stoic musk
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ok bet

spark lily
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I might have suggested trading some gpu budget for a better cpu at 1080p if you play esports

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But it shouldn’t be an issue at 1440p

stoic musk
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nah i won't be doing esports

spark lily
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Yeah its only in a very specific scenario when you want to spend more on the cpu

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Otherwise the 7600 is a damn good cpu for $200

stoic musk
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should i change it then

spark lily
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No

stoic musk
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actually nah cause im tryna buy a gaming chair to and a keyboard

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and a desk and that's all

spark lily
stoic musk
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yea sure

spark lily
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Learning is always good

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K

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Give me 5 mins

stoic musk
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ight im here whenever

spark lily
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@stoic musk I return

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ok

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do you know what a bottleneck is

stoic musk
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nope

spark lily
stoic musk
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is it benchmarking

spark lily
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it will always be something

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but usually you want it to be the gpu

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right

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bc it's the thing you spent the most on

stoic musk
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Aw ok

spark lily
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how do I explain this

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so like

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the 7800X3D costs almost double what the 7600 does

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and it performs a lot better in games

stoic musk
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Mhm

spark lily
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but if your 7600 is already enough to keep your gpu as the bottleneck

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you won't see any improvement by buying a 7800X3D

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because you aren't even fully using your 7600

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the extra power doesn't do anything for you

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so you might as well invest those extra $200 into a better gpu, which will give you extra performance

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rather than an overkill cpu

stoic musk
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Which i have right ?

spark lily
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which is why you dont wanna get a better cpu if its outside of your budget because itll result in a worse gpu

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and less overall fps

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now the difference is if you're playing esports at 1080p

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because in that case, 1080p will result in less gpu usage just because you're rendering less pixels

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and esports games themselves are optimized for performance

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lowering the load on the gpu even more

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letting the gpu render more frames

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however

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this means the cpu has to work harder

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to feed the gpu with the data to render all those frames

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in that case you end up with the cpu as the bottleneck

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and taking $200 from the gpu's budget and getting a 7800X3D instead does actually end up giving you better fps

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and returns the bottleneck to the gpu

stoic musk
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so do i even have to bottleneck for my setup

spark lily
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this is the explanation for why you dont get a 7800X3D instead

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bc then youd have to get a worse gpu

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to fit in $1500 budget

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for your setup a 7600 is more than enough cpu power

stoic musk
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ohh alright glad i had a good budget then

spark lily
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the other time you might wanna get a better cpu is if you're in a kind of limbo zone between different gpus

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like for example if your budget was $1600 instead

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and there weren't any good gpus exactly $100 more expensive than the 7900 XT

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then you could either save the extra, use it on other parts, or get a better cpu so you can wait longer before upgrading it in the future

stoic musk
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oh ok then tysm for the help again bro

spark lily
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np

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also the 7600 being an amazing cpu helps

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it performs as well as the 5800X3D which is $300 and on an older platform

stoic musk
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ok perfect u really know a lot glad u helped me

spark lily
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actually I just remembered some graphs to show my point

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you see how the performance gains get closer and closer to a flat line as you go up in cpu power

stoic musk
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yea performs jsut like the higher ones

spark lily
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you'll get like 10% more fps by buying a 7800X3D, but a $200 more expensive gpu is way more than 10% faster

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k ima sleep

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gn

stoic musk
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alright gn thanks again

spark lily
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np

spark lily
stoic musk
spark lily
stoic musk
spark lily
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anyway have fun with your new pc

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I sleep

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fr this time

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lol