Any advice for this build
#budget build
pseudo edge
gentle epoch
I would probably say buy a bulk storage hard disk just for files that you don't want cluttering your fast storage, then I would seriously recommend choosing a better PSU
Both due to the efficiency rating, and as its not a modular PSU.
I have a friend that's used this and it's seemed to treat them well, so you could give this a go: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-A750GL-Gaming-Supply/dp/B0CC3QBGDL/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=2AVD4HAGRN3YQ&keywords=700w+psu+fully+modular&qid=1706537332&sprefix=modular+psu+700w+%2Caps%2C370&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1
junior phoenix
Any advice for this build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VvjgKX
What country, budget, and use?
pseudo edge
USA around 700 and gaming
junior phoenix
USA around 700 and gaming
Have you bought that list yet
junior phoenix
And yes I’m very biased I prefer intel and nvidia
Why
Intel has no upgrades and Nvidia is just horrible with pricing and VRAM
pseudo edge
Friends have intel and nvidia I am more familiar with them
junior phoenix
Friends have intel and nvidia I am more familiar with them
That's a horrible reason I must say
gentle epoch
Pricing per dollar I see as more important then publicity
pseudo edge
Idc
junior phoenix
They wasted their money
pseudo edge
I know I’m dumb
junior phoenix
They bought a while ago
Well Intel and Nvidia were better then then they are now
pseudo edge
Amd
junior phoenix
Do AMD for GPU also
pseudo edge
I can’t
pseudo edge
I know
gentle epoch
With amd cpu and gpu then you can utilize direct access memory
junior phoenix
I know
I wouldn't spend over $2000 on an all AMD PC if I thought that AMD had issues
pseudo edge
If it’s that much cheaper and same or more performance I can do it
junior phoenix
If it’s that much cheaper and same or more performance I can do it
Ok. Good
junior phoenix
This is a first build I can do intel nvidia on my final build
You won't want to after this
pseudo edge
We’ll see
junior phoenix
Nvidia only has an advantage for heavy RT
The rest don't matter for us gamers
And I mean heavy rt
Not just light RT
junior phoenix
XTX is 8% slower than 4080 in light RT
That's barely noticeable ngl
That's getting 92fps instead of 100
pseudo edge
I don use rt
junior phoenix
I don use rt
Good
pseudo edge
I need high fps
junior phoenix
So there is no reason for you to get Nvidia
pseudo edge
So if amd can get more performance and less price for this build I can go amd
I have a ps5 so anything is prob better I guess
For high fps
Are you still here?
junior phoenix
So if amd can get more performance and less price for this build I can go amd
Yes
pseudo edge
Ok
junior phoenix
Are you still here?
I might be a little busy for some time
pseudo edge
Ok
junior phoenix
But I'll try to help as soon as possible
pseudo edge
But I'll try to help as soon as possible
All good
thorny whale
Yes
junior phoenix
5600g?
thorny whale
Faster
thorny whale
That's a 5500
?
thorny whale
Nope
junior phoenix
I think it's stupid too
thorny whale
It’s ~12% faster in games
junior phoenix
It’s ~12% faster in games
Proof
thorny whale
Tom’s hardware
junior phoenix
Tom’s hardware
Can you link it
junior phoenix
Also the 5600G is in there bc its cheaper than the non g
But it's a 5500
thorny whale
No
junior phoenix
That's the issue with it
junior phoenix
They’re literally clocked the same
That's not the end all be all
Or we would have like 10ghz cpus
thorny whale
Maybe I looked up a 5600 non g review by accident
thorny whale
That's not the end all be all
You can compare within the same architecture though right
junior phoenix
Are the drivers already ready?
thorny whale
Now why the a750?
Good value
thorny whale
Are the drivers already ready?
Yes
junior phoenix
You can compare within the same architecture though right
Not really
thorny whale
Hmm
junior phoenix
Let me check actually
thorny whale
Well ill swap that for a 5500
junior phoenix
Well ill swap that for a 5500
3600 is better. Has gen 4 PCIe
thorny whale
The 5500 doesn’t?
junior phoenix
The 5500 doesn’t?
Nope
junior phoenix
A750 looks pretty good now
thorny whale
It seems to be slower
thorny whale
When the fuck did 6700s drop to $300
junior phoenix
I'd go with the 3600
thorny whale
Yea
junior phoenix
That PCIe gen 3 on the 5500 is a letdown
junior phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/object_Object/saved/Db7TrH
SSD is slow
thorny whale
SSD is slow
It doesn’t matter
thorny whale
The difference in load times between a sata and really fast nvme ssd are like
A few seconds at most
junior phoenix
The difference in load times between a sata and really fast nvme ssd are like
It's a small difference but it only makes sense
thorny whale
They the same price
K
thorny whale
Is the sn770 the faster one
junior phoenix
The xg7000 does
thorny whale
Just has no dram cache
Ah
pseudo edge
Whqt build so I use
thorny whale
Maybe go with that one then
junior phoenix
Whqt build so I use
Let me check
thorny whale
Whqt build so I use
None yet
pseudo edge
Ok
thorny whale
We’re working out the ssd rn lol
junior phoenix
We’re working out the ssd rn lol
5700xt is slightly faster than a750
junior phoenix
And the xg7000 has no price available
Yeah
thorny whale
So dram or performance?
junior phoenix
Ok well the mp33 has dram
But is slower
junior phoenix
So dram or performance?
Performance
thorny whale
K
pseudo edge
If the ssd is a few seconds slower but still has 1tb it doesn’t matter too much
I don’t need to fastest ssd ever
thorny whale
If the ssd is a few seconds slower but still has 1tb it doesn’t matter too much
It’s the same price tho
junior phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/object_Object/saved/Db7TrH
The 5700xt is better than the a750
thorny whale
The 5700xt is better than the a750
No
thorny whale
You may be looking at old reviews
thorny whale
Huh
junior phoenix
5700xt equal to a770 8gb
junior phoenix
Also I would recommend the 5700xt but it’s like gone from stores now
Yeah
thorny whale
And most ppl dont want used
pseudo edge
Ok do we have a final build
thorny whale
Ok its bc I spent that $100 on ram, cpu cooler, and psu
pseudo edge
Can I have a final build link
junior phoenix
Can I have a final build link
pseudo edge
Why not the amd gpu
Ok I’ll be back in a bit
I have a few issues
More expensive ram and more expensive cpu and intel gpu
thorny whale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7sPGt7
Yea
Well
Gpu still worse
I gtg
Ill try to make a $300 gpu fit in later
If I can get a $300 gpu in then u can get 6700
Faster than 4060
junior phoenix
🔺
pseudo edge
I just want high fps for a good price
And if I go back to the original cpu and motherboard combo then it will be cheaper good performance and can fit a better gpu in it
Because a 115 cpu 105 mobo and 68 dollar ram doesn’t offer much budget for a good gpu
So if we go back to the 33 dollar ram and intel cpu and motherboard more budget for gpu
thorny whale
I just want high fps for a good price
Yeah
I got carried away getting a better quality psu and stuff lol
pseudo edge
Yeah
All I need is high fps
So just put all the original cpu mobo ram case amd all that and make it a better gpu
gentle epoch
You might want to consider a 750w (for some future proofing) modular psu with a higher efficiency rating too just as most bronze psus have lower end parts (not saying all but some may be more susceptible to failure)
pseudo edge
So should I just stay with the 4060
pseudo edge
You might want to consider a 750w (for some future proofing) modular psu with a ...
This is a pc I will have for a bit it later I will build a fully new one so I don’t need to future proof
gentle epoch
So should I just stay with the 4060
What was the other recommendations that they had?
pseudo edge
Arc 750
gentle epoch
This is a pc I will have for a bit it later I will build a fully new one so I do...
Hm
pseudo edge
Amd cpu more expensive ram more expensive mobo
gentle epoch
Didn't mean to reply to that.
gentle epoch
GPU? I feel like amd 6000/ low 7000 might have a price near what that is
gentle epoch
7600/ 7700 and look at the prices
thorny whale
You might want to consider a 750w (for some future proofing) modular psu with a ...
c tier on psu tier list
not modular though
junior phoenix
So should I just stay with the 4060
No
junior phoenix
Amd cpu more expensive ram more expensive mobo
AM4 is cheaper
junior phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/object_Object/saved/CdqRFT
Why not AM4
junior phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/object_Object/saved/CdqRFT
Crucial p3
QLC and no dram cache
P3 and p3 pluses are garbage
And no reason to use intel
junior phoenix
Should I just get that
I'd recommend just getting my build
gentle epoch
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GsNgXL/
I think I've heard of the company once, but if others have had good experience with it, it works
What's the price of the 7 3700 atm?
7 3700x has a larger cache, higher base clock, and lower TDP all with having twice the physical cores
Single core performance still goes to Intel but most games support multi threading
But its 1.5 to 2x the price but for twice the performance
If this is a rig only being used for a short time period, just buy used.
earnest coyote
Budget?
junior phoenix
intel cheaper
You sure
earnest coyote
what's the budget @thorny whale
thorny whale
$700
junior phoenix
and faster
Faster than a 3600?
earnest coyote
shit
thorny whale
lemme find the bench
junior phoenix
lemme find the bench
Found it
junior phoenix
lemme find the bench
What site are you using?
junior phoenix
you can see the 3600x further up in that list
Yeah
junior phoenix
you can see the 3600x further up in that list
And have you fixed the SSD yet?
thorny whale
yes
junior phoenix
Same for the p3 pluses
thorny whale
fixed
earnest coyote
Where's the case
earnest coyote
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/object_Object/saved/CdqRFT
What case?
thorny whale
What case?
case is personal preference so I just didnt put it in
thorny whale
My take on this budget
best one by far
earnest coyote
earnest coyote
best one by far
Thanks 🙏
Am4 usually has cheaper motherboards
12100f Vs 3600 is a 4$ difference
whereas motherboards can have a 20$ difference
thorny whale
gpu > cpu as well
earnest coyote
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fmy3jH
I recommend this build @pseudo edge
thorny whale
6700xt is very good for this price point
earnest coyote
gpu > cpu as well
Fr
SSD should be fine
Patriot is better than its competitors at the price point I think
earnest coyote
SSD is literally fine
junior phoenix
This is better
earnest coyote
similar to others
junior phoenix
SSD is literally fine
It's gen 3
earnest coyote
At the price
junior phoenix
Gen 4 is less than $10 more
earnest coyote
It's gen 3
Gen 3 and gen 4 gaming speed difference is minimal
junior phoenix
Gen 3 and gen 4 gaming speed difference is minimal
$7 for double the speed
earnest coyote
Higher end gen 3 is better than low end gen 4
junior phoenix
Yeah I know but still
junior phoenix
Higher end gen 3 is better than low end gen 4
That applies to the nv2
Not the sn770
earnest coyote
oh ok
earnest coyote
okay
thorny whale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7GvhdH
a series mobo
junior phoenix
a series mobo
Oh
thorny whale
I didn't see that earlier
junior phoenix
Didn't see that
thorny whale
a series bad
earnest coyote
Let me fix it
gentle epoch
Ye I don't really like X3 mesh
Most cases have the same cookie cutter base layer with added on stuff. In terms of everything, why nit choose some parts to be future proofed? Like the PSU & Case
earnest coyote
earnest coyote
Most cases have the same cookie cutter base layer with added on stuff. In terms ...
Out of budget
Unless GPU is downgraded to something like a 6650xt
earnest coyote
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3qLHbL
This build itself is already out of budget
Just trying to squeeze max performance for abt 30 extra
junior phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3qLHbL
That board is trash
hollow cloak
yeah it's $100 less, but significantly worse than 4060
No
junior phoenix
Not gonna have much upgradability
earnest coyote
10$ extra will get a b550
junior phoenix
No VRM heatsinks
junior phoenix
10$ extra will get a b550
Go for that
hollow cloak
B550 pro4 >>>
earnest coyote
might be better to get a rx 6700 or a 6650xt
to fit in budget
50 is too much
let me change the GPU
11$ extra
I'd get this personally
junior phoenix
🔺
pseudo edge
And this would be better than the i3 and the 4060
junior phoenix
And this would be better than the i3 and the 4060
Yes
junior phoenix
By how much
Not sure
Let me check
I think the CPU a little weaker
Much better upgrade path though
pseudo edge
Ok
junior phoenix
So like 8% faster with more upgradeability
hollow cloak
How much more would the 6700 xt be
They’re usually about $300
thorny whale
$320
hollow cloak
pseudo edge
And how much more performance/fps
pseudo edge
Ok
pseudo edge
Any other ways to cut down the price without losing fps
Like the ssd power supply ram mobo or sumthin
earnest coyote
These are some of the best budget parts
hollow cloak
nah
earnest coyote
Could cut money on SSD and motherboard but youre going for quite lower quality stuff
You want to keep these parts if you can
pseudo edge
What would I lose
pseudo edge
Ok
earnest coyote
Less future proof
pseudo edge
Wdym by quality
earnest coyote
More likely to encounter issues and stuff or bad temps
pseudo edge
Less future proof
Don’t give a shit about future proofing cuz when I get my next build I’ll sell this one
And how much ssd speed and what quality
earnest coyote
quality meaning the parts may degrade faster, or they perform quite worse loading time and speed wise. + Less future proof
earnest coyote
Don’t give a shit about future proofing cuz when I get my next build I’ll sell t...
Okay
If you really need to cut a buck
could go for a cheaper gen 3 ssd
motherboard could be cut by 5$
pseudo edge
Actually nvm
earnest coyote
I don't recommend it tho
pseudo edge
Nah
It’s fine
The only thing that I would want to cut back price is cpu or gpu
But that would lower the fps
earnest coyote
Np
pseudo edge
I will probably get this in a month or two just need to save up a bit
junior phoenix
I will probably get this in a month or two just need to save up a bit
Probably gonna be outdated by then
pseudo edge
What will be outdated
pseudo edge
Probably gonna be outdated by then
Imma need this for a year
Until I get my next system
pseudo edge
Probably gonna be outdated by then
The cpu
junior phoenix
Until I get my next system
Which will just be an upgrade for the GPU and CPU
5800x3d can handle a 4090 easy
pseudo edge
Nah it will be a whole new pc with latest intel and nvidia stuff
New case, cooler all that stuff
junior phoenix
Nah it will be a whole new pc with latest intel and nvidia stuff
Garbage
You mean latest AMD stuff
The 7800x3d is better than the 14900k for gaming
pseudo edge
How much better in games would the 6700xt be than a 4060
I looked at benchmarks but they vary
I mostly care about fn but need good gpa in all games
thorny whale
How much better in games would the 6700xt be than a 4060
20%
significant difference
junior phoenix
significant difference
How significant though cause that's an xtx vs a 4090
Currently not a big difference
That's the difference between the xtx and a 4090
In other words 90fps in cyberpunk and 108fps
Gotta be more important for weaker cards though
pseudo edge
How much fps on mid settings on cod fn overwatch
I play fps games
More competitively
junior phoenix
How much fps on mid settings on cod fn overwatch
I don't know, can't answer that, it should be plenty
thorny whale
How significant though cause that's an xtx vs a 4090
20% and up is significant imo
The difference between a 5800X3D and 7800X3D is also 20%
And that’s definitely significant
pseudo edge
I don't know, can't answer that, it should be plenty
Ok
thorny whale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4kwfRK
👍
junior phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4kwfRK
Case has molex fans, get an air 100, SSD is slow. Get a sn770
thorny whale
And how slow is ssd
sn770 is same price and faster
junior phoenix
What is Molex fans
Garbage that is always on unless you unplug or turn off
pseudo edge
So the fan is always in unless the pc is off
junior phoenix
So the fan is always in unless the pc is off
Yes
Always at 100% too
They are dogshit
amber burrow
pwm fans are the best 👍
amber burrow
if the max isnt much more, id recommend that
1 extra fan with a fan hub and rgb as a bonus
thorny whale
if the max isnt much more, id recommend that
it's $1 more
oh wait
max
uhh
I think it's $10 more
junior phoenix
I think it's $10 more
Worth it then
pseudo edge
Does it come with fans
amber burrow
And they are the good fans
Yeah they’re good
pseudo edge
And the max has the good fans and rgb
hollow cloak
Yes
hollow cloak
Yes