Hello, I have an Asus maximus VIII hero alpha motherboard with a 6700k currently installed. I want to upgrade my CPU a little but the list of supported cpus only includes the next gen 7700 i7. That's too little of an upgrade for me. LGA 1151, the socket of my motherboard does support intel cpus up to 9th gen but I don't know if it's possible to tweak some things to get that to work... Any help?
#cpu "upgrade" help
south sigil
So I just heard it's not possible. Still I would like an upgrade. Would someone be willing to put together a pc for me with maybe an i7 13700k? I do not wish for a GPU upgrade at the moment as I am absolutely fine with my 1070 for now. I just need some help with the motherboard and ram as well as cooling.
red tree
Full budget and location needed.
south sigil
Budget is difficult to say, location Germany
Maybe around 500
+-
Can't quite go into 4 digits or higher 3 digits
red tree
Not going to happen, 13700k alone is 400 Euro
And you need a board and DDR5 (makes less than 0 sense to hamstring a 13700k with old DDR4)
south sigil
Yes okay, I also think switching to ddr5 is a better option
Also for upgradability in the future
I don't want to encounter a cap like I have now again
red tree
Well, buying LGA1700 the only "upgrade" from 13th gen is 14th gen, which is effectively the same thing.
So its exactly the same situation as last time LMAO
6th gen to 7th gen
south sigil
Oh
south sigil
gotta love Intel for this
red tree
I mean I've got a few more generations available in my AM5 board so I'm content.
If the ability to upgrade the CPU a few years down the line is the goal, you're not going to get that with LGA1700
The best you could do is a 14900k but it wouldn't be a really serious upgrade in 2-3 years time
red tree
I'd do what I did a year ago and have been doing, buying AMD. AM4 and now AM5.
south sigil
I have no, absolutely no clue about AMD cpus
So I don't know about am5, is that the chip set?
I'm totally out of my comfort zone with amd
Thank you so much for your help btw
red tree
AM5 is the socket, akin to LGA1700
The chipsets you have B650 and X670, though X670 is about I/O for people who really need it, B650 is ideal for most people.
You lose no overclocking or other performance unlike B series boards with Intel.
The closest to a 13700k would be a Ryzen 9 7900x in the current lineup.
What are you using the PC for?
south sigil
I mostly game and do animation and 3d modeling so also rendering
red tree
I had a 7900x but sold it for a 7800x3D since I only play games.
south sigil
Okay okay
red tree
Rendering, I would have much preferred the 7900x
south sigil
And how many years do you think the CPU support would last me with am5?
red tree
AMD has said the AM5 socket gets support until "2025+" so we're expecting two more generations of CPU's
Possibly more if their track record with AM4 is anything to go on
red tree
The "Best" is hard to quantify, depends on what you're doing. If straight gaming, 7800x3D. If gaming + need workstation performance, 7950x3D.
That's an 8-core and a 16-core.
The 7900x though is still fantastic, the 12-core.
Then there is no normal 7950x 16-core.
south sigil
Okay 
and what would my budget suggest I get?
I have literally no idea about the pricing
red tree
To break it down, you have 7600/7600x (6-core), 7700/7700x (8-core), 7900/7900x (12-core), 7950x (16-core).
Then you have the x3D variants 7800x3D (8-core) and 7950x3D (16-core).
south sigil
Okay what do the x3d variants change?
red tree
3D-Vcache, essentially the magic sauce for gaming performance.
south sigil
Oh okay
red tree
Technically a little slower in everything else compared to the non-X3D variants.
red tree
Personally i'd shoot for something like a 7900/7900x for what you're doing. 7950x and 7950x3D are pretty expensive.
south sigil
Okay, thanks. What board would you pair that with?
red tree
give me a moment, working on an example build
south sigil
No problem, thank you so much
red tree
I'd assume an ATX sized board is preffered? No mATX?
red tree
ok
south sigil
Mid is preferred
red tree
Wifi?
south sigil
Yes
south sigil
Wait I'll list everything I have rn
I have a carbide 400 series white with 650 watts, motherboard u know, 32gb 3200mhz ram, 4tb hdd, 1tb ssd, 256gb m.2 970 evo plus, gtx 1070, 120mm aio and enough fans to fly me to the moon
Its been upgraded other the years with anything I needed at that moment so its a little weird
red tree
So the storage should be fine to carry over
south sigil
Yes
That's enough for me
Case would be cool not to spend money on but if necessary could go aswell
red tree
For just a board, CPU, memory and cooler quickly, looking at something like this. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/7xD9fv
The upgrade from a 6700k would be so massive LOL
But yeah you need a cooler, that old 120mm AIO isn't ideal. They're never really ideal.
I ran a 7900x on a similar air cooler, had it overclocked and undervolted, 85c max and was still faster than stock.
south sigil
Gimme a sec cloudflare won't let me enter the site
red tree
PCPartPicker is the universal tool we use for PC builds, its legit.
I linked it using German retailers.
south sigil
Yes yes I know the site but cloudflare won't let me
Wtf man
I'll get on my laptop wait a sec
Okay Now
south sigil
The upgrade from a 6700k would be so massive LOL
oh yes xD
thats gonna be quite the difference
south sigil
But yeah you need a cooler, that old 120mm AIO isn't ideal. They're never really...
well it worked perfectly for the 6700 for the last years
always steady 55c
red tree
Yeah you'll have a lot to get used to regarding temperatures.
south sigil
is it that much?
red tree
Things have changed for both AMD and Intel in the last few years
With how they handle temp.
south sigil
and i have absolutely no idea xD
red tree
In short, by default at least for AMD they target 95c in a full multicore load by design which allows pushing clockspeeds and power as high as possible. This is intentional and not a bad thing at all.
red tree
Yeah that isn't a thing anymore
red tree
I ran with a manual 85c limit + the undervolt and was still faster than stock.
red tree
7700x (still incredibly fast, just 8-cores and not 12) https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/tgvG28
7700 saves you 20 euro https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VfX7MV
red tree
save money
I don't have a budget to work with so i'm kind of just guessing here
that cheaper board can work with the 7900x too
Unlike old Intel days, AM5 boards are all pretty robust, not a whole lot of "bad" options
south sigil
what does the more expensive one have that the other doesnt?
south sigil
Unlike old Intel days, AM5 boards are all pretty robust, not a whole lot of "bad...
thats good :0
red tree
ATX, slight hardware differences, would do the same job though
south sigil
atx vs ?
red tree
mATX
south sigil
so the cheaper one is the matx right?
red tree
yes, cheapest with Wifi that i'd suggest.
south sigil
would deleting wifi change the price by a whole lot?
red tree
25-30
south sigil
i kinda wanna stay with atx bc i dont really like the look of the small boards
red tree
which is what you'd pay for a Wifi add in card
south sigil
which is what you'd pay for a Wifi add in card
im currently on lan so thats an option. just deleting it and upgrade if needed
red tree
im currently on lan so thats an option. just deleting it and upgrade if needed
Well in that case
Actually, that last board is near as cheap as it gets even without Wifi if you stick to ATX.
red tree
If sticking to ATX it doesn't seem to no. mATX without Wifi would bring you down to something like this. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/M3T26D
south sigil
xD
red tree
€590.00
south sigil
i think ill take atx tho even if its more expensive it just looks so much better in my eyes
red tree
Microcenter here in this US has these amazing bundles.
red tree
yeah they're pretty fantastic
south sigil
yeah they're pretty fantastic
you cant fathom how jealous i am rn
red tree
I'm not familiar with the popular PC part retailers in Germany, its possible one of them does something similar
red tree
hey now 😆
red tree
south sigil
ill look for a sex
cant find much at first glance
and its not really common over here
the bundle thing
red tree
Yeah, MC gets you since those deals are only available in store.
red tree
And there are only so many of the retail stores, 15 or so across the US.
I'm lucky in that I live roughly 45 minutes from one.
south sigil
even if
the shipping would make up the diffrence in price
id love to
here you get a "mediamarkt" or "saturn" with completely stupid prices
kinda makes me wanna cry
south sigil
yes, thank you very much
red tree
A brand new Ryzen 7 7700 is still a massive upgrade from a 6700
south sigil
A brand new Ryzen 7 7700 is still a *massive* upgrade from a 6700
Oh yes
red tree
Yeah the 7700 is going to pull less power, that PSU should be fine.
red tree
7700/x will be on par, the 7900x could pull a little more with PBO enabled.
south sigil
pbo? :0
red tree
Not enough to make a huge difference and require the PSU to be swapped necessarily
Precision Boost Overdrive, essentially an automatic "overclock" that enables some features like undervolting
red tree
Available on all of those chips. Enabling it on a 7700 and not touching anything else basically makes it a 7700x
south sigil
Available on all of those chips. Enabling it on a 7700 and not touching anything...
okay
red tree
How stupid would it be to get everything in white
Oh boy, the age old question around these parts. There is a white tax, unfortunately.
south sigil
qwq
red tree
lemme see what i can do
red tree
RGB?
south sigil
well
yes (mby)
i just know its gonna be so fucking expensive
i gotta go eat
am visiting my parents over the hollidays and there is no way around xD
ill be back
thank u so much <3
red tree
no worries, i just had to go get my food that was delivered
Looking quickly and maintaining your requirements, something like this. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/8YfF89
red tree
told ya, white tax
south sigil
600 +- ig
hushed nexus
Microcenter here in this US has these amazing bundles.
wish that was a 7800x3d or 9750x3d
red tree
red tree
Anyway, just ping me in here if you have any more questions
south sigil
Anyway, just ping me in here if you have any more questions
Thanks man <3
south sigil
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pRRgVw
thats a lil too much
red tree
no problem!
They really want you to have a 7800x3D it seems.
TBH it didn't seem that important for your workload but it works.
I sold my 7900x for a 7800x3D but had I been doing more modeling/rendering, I would have kept the 7900x for sure.
TBH nothing improved moving to 7800x3D that I can notice, not at 4K anyway
but it was a good deal and came with a game I was going to buy anyway (at the time)