#Are this gonna last for 8-10 years ?

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cobalt sun
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yes

sick comet
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so, i try to build a current gen gaming PC dedicated for streaming.
its well above average, but not the best at all...

i researched, and besides Ark Survival Ascended, all games that i want to play should run just fine.

one of my friend told me that bottlenecking is a thing, but after i showed him my build with my currently monitor, he calculated 0% chance for bottleneck... so i'm pretty confident about that...

PC BUILD:

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so, thats my setup. what do you think ?

weary tide
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the cpu is going to "bottleneck" the gpu

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you should spend more on the gpu and the cpu

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get somrthing like an rtx 4070 and a ryzen 5 7600

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if you want it to last as long as possible

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then get an rx 7800xt/7900xt(x)

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because of their vram

tardy forge
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I would advise against the Seagate 20TB drive.

  1. its way too large. Get 4-6TB either IronWolf or WD red drive and 2TB NVMe drive. You will be happier that way
  2. I have 16TB model of these Exos's and it is really loud and quite often causes 2 secons lag when browsing files
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tbh the entire build feels like something one person with very specific needs would get. What do you plan on using it for? just gaming?

nova plover
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R9 7900 rtx 3060?

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bros scared so bad about bottleneck

tardy forge
nova plover
cobalt sun
nova plover
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and a 7600

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for my pc to last 6+ years

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@sick comet Maybe if u tell us ur budget we could give u an better option

weary tide
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bottleneck calculators suck

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dont use them

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my 5600 doesnt even bottleneck my 3090

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just get a midrange/high end cpu and do some research about whether or not it will be a bottleneck

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in the games you play and appd you use

undone dew
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the cpu is too powerful for the gpu. u should get a 7500f and a 7800 XT instead

nova plover
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fr

sick comet
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since currently thats the only gpu that is close to the rtx 3060 performance,
and it fits to my currently budget.

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also, i watched this video, and what i seen is the RX 7600 8GB GPU has better stability in FPS but the RTX 3060 12GB has better visual lighting effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsvSRSmoi4M&t=515s

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sick comet
tardy forge
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tardy forge
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They are not bad enough for me to go and investigate as the drive is used for storage. If I want to play a game that I stored on the HDD previously I first move it onto a SSD.

sick comet
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hm... well, i will check that lag issue, when its arrived.
if its not perform as well as i was expected, i switch it for 2 pieces of 10 TB hdds instead...

nova plover
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bro whats ur budget

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Atleast tell us

sick comet
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800.000 HUF.
convert that from your vault.

tardy forge
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it does have a great storage to price ratio. Just dont launch a game from it and move it onto a ssd previously.

nova plover
tardy forge
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hungarian florint

sick comet
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hungarian forint.

weary tide
sick comet
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since i'm from hungarian...

weary tide
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its in the name

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like the 12GB in the rtx 3060

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The rtx 3060 12 GB is better than the rx 7600 i reckon

nova plover
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what bro?

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800k?

weary tide
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But i would still recommend spending more money on the GPU and less money on the CPU

nova plover
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isnt that 2200 dollars?

nova plover
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If its for gaming and streaming absolutely

sick comet
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acoording to google at least...

tardy forge
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also another thing with having drives this size is mine takes a day(20h) to defragment

nova plover
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so

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why u getting an 3060

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For it to last 8-10 yr?

sick comet
nova plover
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do u know the 40 series are out or do u live under a rock bc idk why u aiming that low with an 2290$ budget

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Are u purchasing local?

sick comet
nova plover
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like the rx 7800 xt

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For 500$

nova plover
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but u still can get better

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for 2290$?

nova plover
sick comet
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thats why i using that local website

sick comet
nova plover
tardy forge
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the mobo has plenty of SATA connectors

nova plover
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fuck

nova plover
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@sick comet Atleast buy the gpu online

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so u can get an better one

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if u want it to still being a beast for 8+ years

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Get an 7900 xt or 7900 XTX

tardy forge
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rdna for old stuff? thats a pass from me.

nova plover
tardy forge
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had issues with old games and apps on 5700xt. I did manage so solve them all but nvidia backwards compatibility is better.

nova plover
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bro u cant compare an 5700 xt with an 7900 xt/xtx

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architecture

tardy forge
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driverwise yes

nova plover
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ok then go for the 4070 non ti

tardy forge
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4070 is probs the only worth 40 series card imo

nova plover
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yea

nova plover
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old cards

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newer ones are better

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Drivers keep getting better as far as i know

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im getting a 7900 xt for a 6+ year build

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cus of its 20 gb ram

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better bandwith

tardy forge
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they dont work much on backwards compatibility tho. dx11 and older.

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dx12 perf is awesome

nova plover
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im not getting ur point

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but ok

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Radeon cards age better than nvidia ones

sick comet
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and can a radeon card lighting effect looks so intense as a nvdia can ?

sick comet
tardy forge
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dont worry about raytracing. radeons having 15-20% more raster performance for same price is still very noticeable.

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you will enjoy either nvidia and radeon.

sick comet
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allright...

nova plover
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ye

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but u can get more with radeon than nvidia

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the only reason to go nvidia nowdays its ray tracing

sick comet
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. . . btw, you said that the large hdd that i'm buying rn, will be slow.
but how slow are your 16 TB hdd is ?

weary tide
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only buy SSDs for gaming

tardy forge
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up to 250 MBps. usually around 100 tho. sequential

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Exos x18 16TB

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here is samsung 980 pro SSD.

sick comet
# weary tide only buy SSDs for gaming

i gaming from a 2 TB hdd for about 3 years now, and i don't have any problem with it what soever...

thats why i decided to buy a bigger hdd for this purpose in the first place...

tardy forge
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i use the exos as a torrent stash which is about all i need from it. I have 2 SSDs with 2TB total capacity. if I want to run anything more than a movie I move it onto those ssds.

sick comet
tardy forge
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not on hand. will search online. also I have heard my writing head moving around a lot even during sequential read. I have 1% fragmentation but due to nature of my usage those speeds might be lowered.

sick comet
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btw, whats the name of the app where you compared to the hdd / ssd speed ?

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in that way i can test it to myself

tardy forge
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crystal disk mark shizuku edition

sick comet
tardy forge
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mine is fragmented due to me torrenting on it.

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I spend the entire day to defragment it. Wan show from like a year ago did touch on the subject of who could need 20TB HDDs.

sick comet
tardy forge
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new cyberpunk patch basically requires ssd. When I played BDO I got performance boost from running the game off SSD. When many assets are to be loaded the drive head has to wiggle around because those assets are located elsewhere on the drive. wiggling read head=lost speed. SSDs are elctronical and dont have moving parts. this is why random read/write speeds are so different.

sick comet
# tardy forge new cyberpunk patch basically requires ssd. When I played BDO I got performance ...

alright, but i have 3 questions then:

  • 1: one of my friend said that gaming off an ssd might damage the hardware overtime mutch more than it would do to a hard drive... this friend is currently AFK, so i can't prove this information yet.

  • 2: you mentioned assets loading, and rendering, but isn't those things are the gpu / cpu - s work ?

  • 3: you mentioned performance loss, but how much fps that means ? since if its around 4-5 fps, its not a big deal for me...

tardy forge
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  1. moving head will wear hdd down more than ssd. ssds can wear out over time, that is true, but I have had my current ssd for half a year and if I am to extrapolate manufacturer's TBW rating to my usage(frequently moving games on and off it) it will last me about 30 years.
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ssd has a limit on how much you can write there. hdds don'tasterisk
*:physical failure can occur at basically any time.

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  1. game does run from RAM and VRAM but games are way larger than usual person's RAM capacity so SSD/HDD is still used.
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  1. performance is game and location dependant. in BDO it was about 200% increase.
sick comet
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wow. thats a lot...

tardy forge
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not to mention load times

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just run your games off the ssd. hdds are for long term storage.

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and dont worry about wear. 10 years ago ssds were 250GB in capacity and used SATA controller instead of going trough PCIe lanes. technology evolves.

sick comet
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😄 thats true.

and if you don't mind, i ask some more technical questions just to self evolve...

so, what is the difference between RAM and VRAM ?
my original plan was to use DDR4 rams, but after discovering that the newer DDR5 rams are better in some way, i came up with this build to just nearly fit to my budget...
but i don't know about anything about VRAM...

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how is that different from regular rams ?

tardy forge
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one is used by CPU(game code) the other by GPU(textures) basically.

sick comet
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ohh...

tardy forge
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DDR4 to DDR5 difference is how much bandwidth they have. just get DDR5. DDR4 is end of life.

sick comet
tardy forge
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vram comes preinstalled on gpu. its in the name of the product. ram just get 32GB. look at the pcpartpicker list I sent before.

waxen bloom
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32tb of hdd space whoa

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Damn

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If it’s sensitive data you might wanna look into more drives at a lower capacity for using them in raid or something

tardy forge
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yes. big harddrives around 20GB+ are a pain. Even running RAID is not very good because rebuilding takes over 24hours.
For my usecase my backup is in the rest of the swarm.

waxen bloom
sick comet
# waxen bloom 32tb of hdd space <:whoa:717980111965650985>

its only 20 TB. and i don't need more than that.

  • since i want my whole steam libary downloaded at once, its around 10 -12 TB.
  • movies, and anime series around 3 TB
  • and the rest of the storage go for self developed indie games, and non steam game launchers, like GOG.
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first, i thinked about having 2 piece of 10 TB hdd instead of a single 20 TB one, but since i don't know currently, how mutch tb my stea libary needs exactly, i feared about that 10 tb won't be enough for it...

so thats why i decided to has one massive hdd instead of multiple smaller one...

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but if you are right, and i will have problems with it, i probably will sell it, and switch to multiple smaller ones.

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anyway, are 10 TB hdds more trust worthy than a 20 tb one ?

waxen bloom
waxen bloom
tardy forge
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No need to have redundancy for steam library. Backing up what can't be redownloaded to a smaller 4-8 TB drive in an external enclosure is imo the better option.

waxen bloom
tardy forge
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Any development=ssd. No question about that.

waxen bloom
sick comet
waxen bloom
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Yea that’s what I was alluding to

sick comet
# tardy forge Any development=ssd. No question about that.

to be clear, i don't develop massive games in unity or unreal.
i only use game engines like: RPG Maker or Visual novel maker. (due the fact that i can't code)... what i done so far, they don't consume a lot of power, but since i like to use a lot of different assets for the game, it can quickly reach huge sizes...

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but i quess i will research, how mutch an 5 TB hdd cost...
maybe i can stack 3-4 of them.

tardy forge
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consider setting up this

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sick comet
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. . . how can i know, if my hdd is usning PMR or SMR reading technology ?

torn spade
sick comet
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ok, so my pc is finaly arrived with all the good stuff in it, but when i turned it on, the fans are instantly going like crazy.

the fan speed is high even if i'm idle in the desktop with no background process...

someone know, how can i fix this issue ? the fans are really loud at this speed...

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(my pc has windows 11 OS)

waxen bloom
tardy forge
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how many pins do the fans have?

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waxen bloom
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Depends on what kinda fan it is

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PWM/dc controled or DC voltage controlled fans (typically pretty cheap)

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The picture will pretty much tell you which fan you have. But the listing of the fan will for sure tell you which is which

sick comet
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ohh... ok.
so it turns out, my case fans can't be controlled by software...

waxen bloom
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Awesome so are they 4 pin?

tardy forge
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my case fans dont even have any dynamic curve. just have it blow some air at a loudness you are comfortable with(configure in bios). most of the heavy lifting will be done by GPU and CPU fans. case fans just blow the excess hot air away.

waxen bloom
sick comet
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. . . so, problem solved.
the issue caused by the gpu is not connected to the pc. the cable is too loose, when they built it...

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now, its all quiet.

sick comet
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so uh, yesterday i encountered some unusual bugs...

  • first is when i tryed to update one of my game that had a dlc with a different launch icon, the download section said, its allready downloaded, but in my libary it said that its currently downloading...

i only could fix that when reinstalling the base game, and then downloading the dlc.

  • second bug is when i tryed to copy large folders for my old drive to my new one, the download freezed at 16%, and i can't even close the transfer.

so i decided to restart my pc, but the restarting process is taked too much time too (even tho my windows is in my SSD), so i needed to manually restart, and that fixed the issue...

so, my question is, is theese bugs can occure becous of the 20 TB hdd ? or is it something else ?

tardy forge
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i might have made the 20TB HDDs sound a little too scary. They aren't scary, just inconvenient, slow and if program is running off of it it significantly degrades performance for that particular program. But HDDs of all sizes are functional and (if formatted properly) aren't a cause of SW issues

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check what the game path is, check how the drive is formatted.

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recently I thought I had an issue with sectors. turns out I just had two programs modyfying the same folder and throwing errors because the contents kept changing.

sick comet
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ohh... alright.
i sliced the hdd for 2 sections, a 10 TB section for games, and 8 TB section for any other stuff...

with this setup, the file transfers are works properly. however i don't tested the steam issue yet...

anyway, currently everything seems to be fine.
only thing that bothers me is no matter the pc upgrade, the win11 boot up just as slow as my win10 in my previous computer...

so, are you know a OS that supports most of the PC games, and faster than win11 ?

i thinked about putting steam OS in my PC, but first i want to try reinstalling windows, and minimzing the useless system files, maybe that would make the bootup a bit faster...

tardy forge
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hate to say it but boot times of over 20 seconds are normal. sub 16 is really fast. Issue comes from DDR5 size... You can try to reduce it by enabling 6000MHz XMP profile in BIOS.
keep windows. everything else is a gimmick that doesn't have wide software support. Games are made to run on windows.

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waxen bloom
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I beg to differ. My 7700 with 6000Mhz memory is 7-8 seconds on the latest asrock bios version