looking for a relatively small case

[burnt grove]

https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon RX 7900 XTX Taichi White 24GB OC/

I’ve got this one

[unkempt vine]

It may also perform exactly the same as the 4090 but consume half as much power
Or might perform slightly worse but be much cheaper
Or be twice the performance and four times the price

Don't hold out on future hardware because none of us have a crystal ball to look in to

[covert gorge]

nope you wouldn't have at all, like a car, gpu's decrease in value

second hand parts are roughly 50% the value of buying it new

[burnt dune]

it went up in value though

[long oriole]

...

Second hand parts are cheaper

Its common sense

[timber granite]

Electronics are a terrible investment

[covert gorge]

brand new pricing changes in value constantly, but you can't sell a used product as if it's new, and once you've owned it, it's classed as used/secondhand, hence price drops quickly

in comparison, a car loses $2k in value the moment it's left the forecourt of a car dealer @burnt dune

the only electronics that holds it's price mostly is apple products where it's more like 75-80% when reselling it

what appreciates in value is never electronics, it's land, houses, and precious metals/gems

[burnt epoch]

Just wondering dream after you buy this van will you still have money for a $5000 pc?

[burnt grove]

Yes but even if the products was still in the plastic and has never been opened just the simple fact it may not have a warranty would diminish the value incredibly

Especially with something such as the 4090 with the melting connector issues buying a used one would be pretty nerve racking

[burnt epoch]

id say 800-900 would be what a used 4090 would sell for

MAYBE 1000

[burnt epoch]

be realistic here its nvidea it will be worse performace less vram and 4x the price

i actually doubt that will happen

my guess is lower price same perforamce as 4090 maybe a lil more vram

[burnt grove]

But it has dlss 4.5 brooo. And better rt/framegen

[carmine sphinx]

Adds 50 frames to your frame counter, no real world improvements*

[timber granite]

• latency

[burnt epoch]

no no no yall are not understanding the reason is so that you can say you have dlss

and the latency is a feature

[timber granite]

-_-

[burnt grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/805221868331073626.webp?size=48&name=dankfingers&quality=lossless

[burnt epoch]

i personally love 10 second latency

[dim flower]

True

[burnt dune]

depends on which one i get, but i talked about this.

basically if i get the ford E transit, then no i probably wont have enough lol

if i get a box truck + motorcycle then yeah i will have more than enough

[timber granite]

why...would you get a motorcycle

[covert gorge]

why not?, technically it has a better fuel economy over any car, though it just adds more costs in the long run which you wouldn't want normally

[burnt dune]

in the case for an EV, it would save your range between charges, so motorcycles are perfect for driving short distances in the city. you could daily it to work, use almost no range, waste almost no time at an EV station, fill up for very cheap. and get like 70 - 80 mpg which is higher than a toyota prius. ive seen real world reviews for prius gas mileage and people who live in a prius and they constantly discuss and talk about how they can drive all around the country for about $20 so a motorcycle is going to be p similar to that.

i could hitch the motorcycle on the back, it would reduce the overall range of the EV by a little. it ultimately would add an extra expense, cause i would be still paying for gas in this case, unless they have EV motorcycles too. but if its simplified in terms of money, it costs about $10-$20 to use an EV station anyway.

if you could charge overnight at a friends or at home, that's cheaper, but it takes longer. like 12 hours + vs 40-60 mins

some people have been able to get as low as 15 minute charges

but that's the reality of EVs today so far, it will only get better.

i could, do no motorcycle and drive the EV more, but that would use up the range, and then i will have to charge more often. a motorcyclee basically means you can charge less often. which is kind of nice.

EVs do benefit less from a motorcycle tho, but i mean, it would just keep me mobile too as a backup plan, in case i run out of range, i can drive somewhere to get help or something. like if its a normal gas or diesel, i could drive to the gas station to get gas.

[covert gorge]

you can also get electric motorbikes

[burnt dune]

ooo

like the electric bikes that you dont have to pedal or like an electric motorcycle

[covert gorge]

motorbikes that don't use gas/petrol though they use a 36/48+ volt battery

though most look like dirt bikes

[burnt grove]

Motorcycles don’t incur any significant costs as long as you don’t modify them and it’s a Japanese bike

I’ve owned street bikes all my life. No worse then 45 mpg and if you get something like a 300 or smaller you average 80 mpg+ especially if you get something like a grom (125cc) they get about 120 mpg. And the only maintenance to them is tires, oil changes (very cheap), and chain and wheel bearing replacements every 30k-50k miles. Which are also very cheap

[covert gorge]

should explain this to dream tbf

[burnt grove]

Well there it’s there hopefully she’ll read jt 😂😂

It is wasn’t for the cold and pouring rain if say everyone needs a motorcycle. I countries where it doesn’t rain and it’s not cold “South American countries” they have motorcycles everywhere

[covert gorge]

the only downside to a motorbike is the amount of storage it has to cary things

[burnt dune]

im listening

[burnt grove]

It’s there to read that’s really the only explanation needed. Other then carry space “Japanese bikes” are unbreakable

[burnt dune]

i read it

[burnt grove]

Awesome

[safe pine]

To the moon!

[burnt dune]

it literally got all the way up to almost 11 cents in that time

i made $6000

[snow niche]

@burnt dune help me make bread

😭

[burnt epoch]

?

[burnt epoch]

dream have you decided on formfactor cooler, case, and motherboard

[dense shale]

Probably not like always

[burnt dune]

im basically, trying to decide the form factor of my house, so then ill have a better idea about the case form factor, which then will give me a better idea of the mobo form factor.

i guess we can still look at cases together, but im basically looking for the best airflow case on the market right now

so any form factor case including EATX if the airflow is better.

airflow is basically compared with temperature comparison cause if you parts are colder in a different case, then why not get that case

but also, i dont know what making it colder does really. everyone says colder is better, but i dont think so. it so far seems like the colder it is. is only for bragging rights.

like it really doesnt seem like making the system colder or as cold as possible is even worth it since it doesnt seem to do anything. if the gpu acts the same at 40 C vs 60 C then who cares? or if the cpu acts the same at like 50 C vs 60 C then who cares. as long as the parts are below tj max its whatever right? its basically no difference afaik.

if i go a box truck, an ATX or EATX pc should be totally fine tbh. if i go a cargovan, then it might be better to stay with ITX, or maybe a 20-40 L MATX or ATX case.

[unkempt vine]

Lower temperatures improve part lifespan

mATX is the one size fits all solution
Small enough to be easily portable, large enough to fit literally anything you want

Lower temperatures also tend to improve performance indirectly as a CPU/GPU will boost higher at lower temperatures

[burnt dune]

does it rally improve part lifespan?

ik it probably improves oc and xoc

so like i mean ik you can oc and xoc harder if its colder

[burnt dune]

oh i see what you mean.

a smaller matx is virtually the same as a larger itx except it allows you to go for those atx mobos.

whereas yeah you can get a larger ITX case, but you are locked into itx mobos.

cause ik at the end of the day, it really does boil down to the volume measured in L. the foortprints scale hard, but dont make a huge difference really in terms of space.

its mostly height. and ik the smaller matx are just taller.

[unkempt vine]

Yeah
Colder means it draws less power too

[burnt dune]

does it improve part lifespan even if you arent doing oc / xoc

[unkempt vine]

Yes

Also no need to speak of XOC because that refers to sub-ambient overclocking

[burnt grove]

Yes but as long as is running within 5c of whatever is across the board for idle and load temps for those components it’s not really gonna matter. As long as your not running your parts at a consistent temps of 75c plus they’re not gonna die an early death

AMD 7000 cpus are “designed” to run at 95c but I seriously wouldn’t advise being okay with them running at that temp

[burnt dune]

how do you mean sub ambient

[unkempt vine]

Whatever your ambient temperature is, cooling your parts beneath that

[burnt dune]

isnt that just the normal temp

i thought xoc was extreme overclocking

cause we are talking about the very cold

[burnt grove]

Yes but when extreme overclocking you have to have sub ambient cooling to keep the parts cool

[covert gorge]

yes, meaning sub ambient temeratures, i.e -100c or lower via using liquid helium/nitrogen

[unkempt vine]

It is
Going sub ambient means you need to insulate your parts against condensation and usually it means going sub-zero too

But you can, for example, use a chiller to get to 5C and overclocker higher
But that's not sub zero, but it is sub ambient

And before you think about it
Your van and whatever power solution you choose will not be able to sustain a chiller for daily use

[burnt dune]

is -100C healthy for the part? does sub ambient overclocking increase lifespan or performance

[covert gorge]

not when condensation comes into play because of it, and you can't dsily with exotics

[unkempt vine]

When you do extreme overclocking, the part usually dies after a few months due to how hard you push it

Also some parts slow down when cold, or entirely stop booting

So don't consider XOC at all unless you know what you're doing lol

[burnt grove]

Just fill the room with dehumidifiers 😮‍💨

But yea XOC is by no means a long term think. Even heavy overclocking can be hard on parts. It’s better to get a super stable OC then go heavy and risk instability

[covert gorge]

does not work when it's right at where the mobo is and being cooled

[burnt grove]

Well technically speaking if you had a sealed room with dehumidified air conditioning/heat. And a dehumidifier it would work. But not really an idea gaming room so

[burnt dune]

why is there condensation?

ik about airflow. idk about condensation

[timber granite]

water vapor turning into a liquid. did you ever take a science class?

[burnt dune]

ik what condensation is

idk how its coming up in pcs

like why is there water vapor to begin with

[timber granite]

because there's always water vapor in the air

thats what humidity is

[burnt dune]

this doesnt help me

[timber granite]

when you do sub-ambient cooling, the air around the component cools down, meaning it cant hold as much water vapor so some of it "falls out of the air" aka condenses. and you should know that water and electronics dont mix

[burnt dune]

so condensation only happens when you xoc or oc?

[timber granite]

no, it happens when you do sub-ambient cooling

[burnt dune]

i dont understand

[timber granite]

most people use sub-ambient/sub-zero to xoc, but oc'ing does not cause condensation. its the low temperatures of sub-ambient/sub-zero cooling

[burnt dune]

so condensation only happens when you xoc

[timber granite]

no

when you go sub-ambient cooling or below, then condensation happens

[burnt dune]

isnt xoc = sub ambient

[timber granite]

you need sub-ambient for extreme overclocking, but extreme overclocking itself does not cause condensation

[burnt dune]

i dont get it lol

[timber granite]

....

idk how to explain it

according to google, the dew point of water is about 18C, so below that can be considered sub-ambient and is when condensation can form

[burnt grove]

It’s kinda like how a cold cup of water starts to form water on the outside of the cup

That’s condensation

[burnt dune]

so normal non-oc doesnt cause condensation to be an issue usually?

[timber granite]

ocing has nothing to do with condensation holy shit

[burnt grove]

OC has nothing to do with condensation

Sub ambient cooling does

[timber granite]

thats what ive been trying to say

any temperature below 18C can cause condensation. thats it

[burnt dune]

ik what condensation is. idk why it matters lmao

[timber granite]

water + pc = dead pc

[burnt dune]

yeah ik

[timber granite]

and with sub-ambient, you risk water from condensation dripping on your motherboard/gpu

[burnt dune]

anyway, so if i dont oc, condensation wont be an issue?

[timber granite]

no no no no no

[burnt grove]

Do you not have the ability to connect the dots?

[timber granite]

if you dont use sub-ambient cooling, condensation wont be an issue

[burnt grove]

XOC requieres extreme cooling. Extreme cooling results in condensation

[burnt dune]

what about non-oc?

[burnt grove]

Bruh

[burnt dune]

well thats what i literally asked

[timber granite]

holy fucking shit

[burnt dune]

and i was told no

[timber granite]

ocing has absolutely nothing to do with condensation

[burnt dune]

im just trying to understand

[timber granite]

its the cooling used for ocing

[burnt dune]

okay idk what that means but ill move on

anyway

[burnt grove]

It’s extremely common sense stuff just connect the dots

[burnt dune]

does non-oc have a condensation problem. yes. or no?

[timber granite]

brh

bruh

its the cooling you use not the oc

[burnt grove]

Why would it

Overclocking doesn’t have condensation problems

[burnt dune]

so it doesnt

[burnt grove]

Cooling does

[timber granite]

how the fuck do you not understand this. we've said it like 6 times

[burnt dune]

im not following tbh

[timber granite]

dense af. lets move on. you're not doing sub-ambient cooling anyway so it doesnt matter

[burnt grove]

Cooling causes condensation not overclocking

[burnt dune]

all you said was subambient has a condensation problem but that sub ambient isnt xoc oc or non oc

[burnt grove]

Super dense

Like wow

I’m really not trynna be rude but how have you survived this long.

[timber granite]

sub ambient is cooling. overclocking is turning the clocks on a component higher. theyre not the same thing

[burnt dune]

anyway, so

non-oc = no condensation
oc = no condensation
xoc = no condensation

is this correct yes or no?

[timber granite]

stop puting oc and condensation together

they're not related at all

[burnt dune]

can you just answer the question please

[burnt grove]

They don’t go together at all

[burnt dune]

god

[burnt grove]

No lol put the dots together

Think for yourself

[burnt dune]

what dots lmao

[burnt grove]

Dude can you not critically think?

[burnt dune]

let give her a new concept and then not explain it at all lmao

[timber granite]

not explain it at all?

are you serious?

[burnt dune]

im just gonna wait

i feel like i cant ask any new question or rephrase it in a way that will better convince you

[timber granite]

the sub-ambient cooling required for xoc causes condensation. ocing by itself does not cause condensation

[burnt grove]

I don’t understand how she couldn’t have put this concept together with the stuff we’ve said

[timber granite]

for what

[burnt grove]

You can ask question but we’re telling you the answers as simple as they can be explained and you’re still not understanding it. There’s nothing more we can do

[burnt dune]

this doesnt help me

sorry

[burnt grove]

Well then idk what to tell you

[timber granite]

then im sorry, you're unhelpable

[burnt dune]

i understand

[burnt grove]

You need help that can’t be provided I’m sorry

[unkempt vine]

There is no correlation

It's like trying to compare an orange to a freight train
They're linked in a super convoluted way but you cannot directly link them

So long as your components remain above room temperature, you do not have to worry about condensation

You cannot get your components below room temp without some special methods

Said special methods will never apply to you

[burnt dune]

what is room temperature

[timber granite]

the temperature of your room

[unkempt vine]

It is ambient temperature

[burnt dune]

what is that

what temp does condensation become an issue

[unkempt vine]

Room temperature

Or, well, below that

[burnt dune]

like -100C??

[unkempt vine]

Idk what's below room temperature for you

BEcause idk what room temp is for you

Because it depends on your room

[burnt dune]

idk

room temp is supposed to be the same temp

they dont actually mean the temp of the room

[unkempt vine]

Yes, they do mean the temp of the air in the room

The ambient temperature

[burnt dune]

but it describes the ambient temp of the room yeah

[timber granite]

which is exactly the same as room temperature

[burnt dune]

its not the same, when people talk about room temp, they are talking about the same temp. it may vary but not by much. if you have an ac going and it is set to 69F, then the room temp is not 69F

[warm finch]

five thousand eight hundred and seventy eight messages in here

[burnt dune]

like when people talk about room temperature water. its not the same as calling it the temp of the actual room water.

when people talk about room temp water, they just mean water that isnt chilled.

so its basically just warm water to some. to me i hate room temp water

i need my water to be ice cold

and in the air, room temp usually feels colder than people think. room temp is a slightly cold room. not a humid room

i dont understand how xoc, oc an non oc have no correlation to condensation. if this is the case, why bring up condensation then? and if this is the case, then what would mean condensation is never a problem because if i xoc, no condensation, if i oc, no condensation, and if dont oc at all, no condensation apparently.

so then why bring it up if i can xoc, oc, or not oc at all and still not have condensation as a problem.

unless it is meant that you only get condensation from extreme extreme ocing so technically something like xxoc or something

unless -100C is xoc and -100C would have a condensation problem, but apparently not

even if its based off the actual temp and not the strength of the oc, the oc requires a temp. we literally arent fucking talking about xoc or ocing without cooling and some technicality where you can xoc without cooling and just breaking your components

so yeah, they are correlated.

and i still dont really understand what sub ambient is if sub ambient isnt xoc.

ambient temps just mean the temps of the case. so like the temp of the actual room, not classic room temp, and then the temp inside the case. the airflow.

so yeah, i prefer 69F usually

but 72F is colder than people think sometimes.

but yeah if the room is 80F that is not room temperature, thats not how it works lmao

[unkempt vine]

sub-ambient in terms of the components themselves, and ambient refers to the air inside the case (which is going to be very similar to the air outside the case)

[burnt dune]

when i asked what is room temp earlier, i wanted to know what it was in C

[unkempt vine]

If your room is 80F then your room temp is 80F

[burnt dune]

so apparently that is about 21C

[unkempt vine]

Room temp is a very literal phrase

[burnt dune]

that's not what people mean when they say room temp

especially not here in the states.

[unkempt vine]

Room temp is a range of values, it is not a set in stone thing

[burnt dune]

yeah but its like saying phrases like a "few" or a "dozen"

or a "couple"

[unkempt vine]

Yeah, because those phrases work in the contexts that they're used in

[burnt dune]

anyway, idc. im just going to stick to using the phrase "room temp" the same way i always have and the same way everyone around me has

even in science class, i was told that room temp doesnt always mean the temp of the actual room

so yeah and in this the preferred room temp can vary across the world too

but here in the states if the room was 84F, you would NOT say that is room temp AT ALL even if it was technically the temp of the room lmao

thats just not how the phrase is used. and im trying to learn about condensation so im asking about the actual temp

not the socialized phrase "room temp"

[ruby bane]

hi random

[unkempt vine]

xoc is not defined by a temperature range, it is defined by the type of cooling used and the type of overclocking, whether it is LN2, Lhe, DICE, a chiller, phase change...etc

You can xoc at high temp if you really want (via voltmods to extend overclocking ranges) but that nets lower scores because silicon doesn't clock as high at high temp

Condensation happens below ambient temperature while depending on humidity too
When the temperature of an object falls below the temperature of the water vapour in the air, the water will condense onto the object, that is all that happens
So if you happen to have your graphics card somehow become colder than the surrounding air, condensation starts to occur on it

[burnt grove]

Dude there’s no correlation with what you just said

I’m not sure you understand what you’re even saying

[burnt dune]

so with xoc you usually go below 0C. which would mean condensation would happen because it is below the room temp which is around 21C usually

0 degrees C*** btw

[burnt grove]

Yes it literally is what they mean

[burnt dune]

no its not

[burnt grove]

Yes it is

[burnt dune]

literally what planet are you from lmao

jesus christ

[burnt grove]

When someone refers to the temperature of a room “room temp” it means the general temperature the room is at. It doesn’t have a definite temperate range tho

If the temp is 100c then room temp is 100c

[burnt dune]

when they ask for the temperature of the room

not for room temp water

[burnt grove]

If the temp is 30c in the room then room temp is 30c

[burnt grove]

Room temp water would be water that has equalized with the temperature of the room dude

[burnt dune]

room temp literally has like 2 phrases,

and ive already seen this debate before in other places

and irl

[burnt grove]

It would be water that’s been sat in the room long enough to be the same temp as the room

No it doesn’t

[burnt dune]

i dont want to get into it

its so damn annoying

[burnt grove]

Cause you’re wrong.

[burnt dune]

im not wrong lmao

[burnt grove]

Yes you are everyone is trying to explain it to you and you’re refusing to admit you may be wrong

[timber granite]

Who’s the one asking questions?

[burnt grove]

If you know the answers then don’t ask questions

[burnt dune]

im trying to figure out something else

i was replying to random

you two arent helping at all

[burnt grove]

We’ve all explained in the simplest of terms how XOC and sub ambient temps relate to cooling and condensation and you can’t seem to grasp the concept.

Like theirs no more simple way to explain it then just cramming a usb flash drive in your ear and uploading the data

[burnt dune]

the way you explained it didnt help

because you were focused on teaching me a lesson about how

"xoc and oc arent the cooling that they use and technically you can have a really hot xoc"

https://dailysciencejournal.com/room-temperature/

[burnt grove]

You literally were trying to correlate XOC to condensation when XOC has nothing to do with condensation

[burnt dune]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/what-does-room-temperature-even-mean-and-why-does-it-matter-in-cooking/ar-AA1heJzT

[burnt grove]

‘room temperature’ is gauged as whatever is the reading of a thermometer in a given room.

[timber granite]

Lmao

[burnt dune]

yeah i read that

and i explained that above too

like i said there is like 2 phrases for it

room temp = the literal temp of the room
and the other room temp = which is subjective and socialized.

[burnt grove]

Maybe for you but for the overwhelming majority it is a literally meaning not something people feel is comfortable

[burnt dune]

not the overwhelming majority lmao

[burnt grove]

Yes

[burnt dune]

most people when they say room temp are referring to the way i use room temp

when the science community or pc community refers to room temp they are referring to the technical temp of the room

but everyday daily convos, no.

but ive already been through this. ive seen teachers argue about this too when i was a kid

i already know its stupid

idc

im not even the one who said room temp. lets just stick to saying ambient temp then

cause no one says ambient temp water or ambient temp butter. (even if that is also accurate too technically)

[burnt dune]

uh, well if all xoc requires sub ambient temperatures, and sub ambient temperatures means condensation will form then YEAH

all im hearing is that if you xoc, condensation will happen.

[unkempt vine]

And if you voltmod but don't do exotic cooling, that counts as xoc but no condensation will happen

[burnt dune]

yeah so like a hot xoc

does regular oc go sub ambient too? or no

[burnt grove]

at that point it would just be xoc

[burnt dune]

so any oc that is sub ambient is xoc

[burnt grove]

yes

because that's the cooling used typically

[burnt grove]

But not the only form of XOC like he said here

[burnt dune]

so like a 40C or 50C cpu would be considered good for a regular oc, but that wouldnt be xoc because ambient temp is like 20C and a xoc would use exotic cooling to bring down to like -100C

yeah i read those parts, and i acknowledge that there is another way to xoc

that doesnt require exotic cooling

[burnt grove]

-100c or less just depends how intense the overclock is I suppose

[burnt dune]

and what type of exotic cooling being used

cause im guessing liquid nitrogen isnt the coldest

[unkempt vine]

That title goes to liquid helium but that's only for sponsored teams at events

[burnt dune]

and liquid nitrogen is like -196C

[burnt grove]

theirs no specific temperature range its just below ambient temps technically

[burnt dune]

liquid helium is like -270C

[timber granite]

Can we stop talking about anything related to xoc because it’s not happening to this pc

[burnt dune]

yeah i probably wont ever. since xoc is only for records, i dont think you can xoc long enough to play any games.

and how much fps would you get? probably not a lot

maybe +10 frames at its most

even a really cold cooling system wouldnt get sub ambient for a regular oc

the coldest gpu ive seen gets about 49C

and thats way too hot

which means, for regular consumers. who non-oc and regular oc, condensation isnt an issue, because the cooling never gets cold enough

[dense shale]

Lol my gpu temp at it couldest is 27°c and no fan on it is on

And it oc

[burnt dune]

still not cold enough for condensation

[dense shale]

How all the gpu you see is 49°c lol

My 4090 is at 27

Oc

[burnt dune]

how did you get it that cold

do you have custom loop cooling?

[dense shale]

The cooler on it

It massive

Na it a 4090 strix oc

Stock cooler on

[burnt dune]

yeah idk

[dense shale]

Ye ye

[timber granite]

No shot

[dense shale]

?

[timber granite]

27C? No way

[dense shale]

Ye and?

[burnt dune]

thats what im saying

the matrix gets like 50C

suprim liquid gets like 60C

[dense shale]

Didnt say it was under full load lol

[burnt dune]

at first i was like, oh maybe it was an older gpu

[timber granite]

-_-

[dense shale]

Lol

[burnt dune]

cap

[dense shale]

It literally the software of asus directly

[timber granite]

How loud is it

[dense shale]

Not a lot why

[timber granite]

Fans should be off at 27C

[dense shale]

Ik there off

All i hear is the cpu fan

[burnt grove]

My 7900 xtx runs at 26c at idle

If my room is cool

[dense shale]

My room at 21°c

[burnt grove]

Thing mines around the same normally

[dense shale]

Normally if i dont game lol then it can come hot in here

[burnt grove]

My gpu makes my room super hot in the spring and summer

In the winter tho I take my case cover off to warm my legs lol

[dense shale]

ye in the winter pc can be use as a heater

lol

[dim flower]

Also uh don't rely too much on graphs / stats

[burnt dune]

i think i finally found my LTT equivalent for cars. im gonna be using chrisfix as a resource

seems to be about as big as where linus was in computers 8 or so years ago

even seems to have car cleaning merch so thats p cool

[covert gorge]

demon shine, and turtle wax be the only 2 you ever need as products

[burnt dune]

oh i just meant he seems about as informative as oldschool linus

i wouldnt buy his merch tho

i feel like ive learned so much just now

so many different fluids i never knew existed

i thought it was just oil

now i feel really bad about never changing my oil

[timber granite]

So when are more pc parts are going to be chosen

[burnt grove]

Tbh who cares at this point either she’ll either choose parts or she won’t. Id lean towards the latter tho

[burnt grove]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

That’s literally the most important service to complete possible other then tires

[covert gorge]

tread on tyres, air in them, water and coolant in rad and oil in engine, transmission, brakes, steering

different oils for each

@burnt dune

[burnt epoch]

next year

[timber granite]

i want this build to happen

[warm finch]

are you basically just using this channel as your own #public-chat?

[burnt dune]

absolutely not

i marked it as solved for close. but thought about changing my mind. cause new things came up.

[warm finch]

thread name: "looking for a relatively small case"
message you recently sent: "i think i finally found my LTT equivalent for cars."

[burnt dune]

im building the pc in a van

i have moved all of my questions about cars to #cars

but tbh. its very unhelpful

[long oriole]

Then find a place dedicated about cars

[timber granite]

I wonder why -_-

[burnt grove]

Maybe asking questions isn't gonna solve your problem maybe research would

[burnt dune]

im already researching lmao

it is dedicated to cars?

i wish i could get permission to ask about my van here cause this thread would be more helpful than the cars thread

[long oriole]

How, this thread is supposed to be for computers???

[burnt pumice]

This is for pcs

Not car

End of the story

[carmine sphinx]

PC is the acronym for Personal Computer

[long oriole]

I know...

My phone auto corrected it and I cba to correct myself when yall know what I'm on about

And I meant how would this thread be more helpful it's meant for pcs

[timber granite]

I was helping one of my friends with their computer and their sibling said “that’s not a pc, it’s a computer” 🤦

[dense shale]

[idle sonnet]

sandwhich cases usually have 2 different psu orientations

[burnt dune]

i just dont have the time to research pc cases right now.

im packing

[timber granite]

Research what

Montech air 100. Done. Matx case perfect for your needs

[cloud totem]

how is a case still not picked yet

[light dagger]

at this point a PC case isn't going to do that much other than aesthetics lol
you aren't going to get some massive difference in thermals unless you buy some really terribly made cases or something

like what exactly are you looking for in the case

quite literally just buy what you think is cool, maybe look at a review (if it exists) before buying it i guess

[burnt epoch]

Or form factor or anything other than cpu

[timber granite]

and gpu

and storage (ass storage but its chosen)

[burnt dune]

from what i can tell from research is that the case has a huge impact on thermals actually. and that your gaming room has a smaller impact on your ambient thermals but are actually still important too.

i have the luxury of knowing now that im doing vanlife for sure. ive already signed off of my apartment. i got the storage unit. im moving in with a friend and i have found a couple other backup people. i have 2 cars and i might take out the passenger seats as additional backup. i just need to find a good heating option in case i have to spend a night in the car here and there while i save up for this new vehicle.

the vehicle i choose itself will literally determine the max ambient thermal potential of case that i choose.

it will be minor, but the airflow of the vehicle should be exactly the same as the airflow of a case. so top and back as exhaust front and bottom as intake. however, i probably wont have intake at the bottom and i probably wont have exhaust out the back

i dont know if these options are possible for a vehicle, but im not opposed to cutting into fresh metal or scared to do so

[burnt dune]

its literally the best storage money can buy

[burnt dune]

at first, i just wanted a pink case.

now i want the best thermals i can get. im gonna take a look through GN videos and see which ones bench consistently the highest.

idk the meta of the cases yet or the market but i will

[burnt pumice]

im pretty sure its not only outdated but also extremly expensive for what ?

[light dagger]

they are not going to have a massive cooling effect, unless you're comparing a cardboard box to a pc case or something

most cases from reputable manufacturers are going to provide reasonable case temps

[burnt dune]

the case will afaik. the room the case is in, in this case the vehicle. will have an impact but not as big as the case itself.

[burnt pumice]

ive used two case so far : shitty prebuilt, still had nice temps, old case from 2014, still have nice temps

[burnt dune]

ik a lot more about computers now. i feel like im actually just a normal computer person, if i had started out where i am now. it would have been a better experience. but i cant go back in time

i dont have a family. im not celebrating christmas, but i work retail and im busy. im trying to move out. i was packing today and doing research on which cargovan im going to buy

[light dagger]

most normal computer people don't spend weeks choosing pc parts

[burnt dune]

but im already offically not paying for rent anymore.

[burnt dune]

i knew nothing when i started

[burnt pumice]

nobody spend weeks choosing parts

[burnt pumice]

so did a lot of people, did it take them 7 month ? no

[burnt dune]

im also just not the type who would feel comfortable with choosing parts. a lot of girls ik are like this, and care a lot and end up just giving up because they literally cant learn becuase it turns into this. im just glad i didnt entirely give up. but i do need a break. i still want the pc, but i need to get the vehicle first now.

i thought this was going to take me 2 weeks

i didnt think there was so much to learn lmao

i thought i was going to have it built in july lmao

[burnt pumice]

so we thought

[burnt dune]

a lot of time was wasted on things i just didnt understand. maybe i was too dumb to understand faster. or maybe the teachers were bad at explaining it. or maybe there was too much pride. or maybe im bad at googling. or maybe it was a combination of all of that.

it doesnt really matter now

its too late

i would get stuck on a lot of concepts. like usb. which i know more about than most computer people now. and im proud of it.

another one was case slots. but ik now and it feels good.

after you learn something you didnt know for a long time. it is so satisfying.

like i never knew for like the first 3 months that each case only has so many slots and some slots are horizontal and other slots are vertical. and the ones under slot w/ riser (on pcpp) = vertical slots.

and that gpus take up multiple slots in terms of space basically. so like you have 2 slot gpus 3 slot gpus 4 slot gpus etc. and if your case doesnt have 4 slots, then it literally cant fit a 4 slot gpu. its like the allowed building capacity on a stage builder or something. the gpu slots basically subtract or take away.

i didnt know that. i was so goddamn lost

its also not really an issue, UNLESS you are looking at itx cases which i was. and unless you are having to deal with vertical slots.

a lot of time was spent on just learning the wording and phrases. cause that shit is almost complete absolute nonsense outside of the computer world lmao.

the most unintuitive shit ever ong

a lot of things, people either didnt know here or didnt know how to explain here either

so like, doing extensive research on what another website means by their stupid phrasing was almost impossible. i was scouring the entire internet for answers and i would check here only to be told to google it 💀

ai searching also wasnt really a thing before i started research for this. it was, but not as big as it is now. now i mostly just use ai search for everything and its way better.

but yeah, after im fully moved out. im gonna continue cargovan research and case research and then move on from there

GN videos are just long. and its hard to make sense of the thermal data cause i still dont really know what GN means by some of their phrasing.

[burnt grove]

Worst thing about that is Ai has a tendency to be wrong

[burnt dune]

i hate it cause people just act like its common sense and its not. like idk wtf why GN has like 4 different temp readings for cpu and gpu. or whatever it was.

[burnt grove]

Idle cpu, load cpu, idle gpu, load gpu

That’s why

[burnt dune]

im really good about using it actually. there is a learning curve to get more accurate results and if you cant or cant tell you might have to give up and google. still a great tool and has honestly saved me and made all of this possible.

[burnt dune]

i might post a screenshot and ask about this later.

[burnt grove]

It still can be wrong

[burnt dune]

no i mean, i usually ask it to search again and stuff like that and basically force it. so im pretty good / safe about using it

[burnt grove]

Most AI is exceptionally bad at complex math equations for some reason

[burnt dune]

im basically saying that im not really worried about my AI search use. i was still big on AI before the whole chatgpt and bingai stuff

[burnt grove]

Yea

[burnt dune]

but yeah im still careful. and i think im p good about calling a result BS when it is

[burnt grove]

GN videos are the most informative videos you could possibly watch for a product review but he can get carried away with less relevant details sometimes which confuse people

[burnt dune]

i used to hate GN and avoided them. but after the LTT stuff. i have started watching them. i like the content now. but the videos are still long.

i like the case videos but theres just so many and its overwhelming

im was trying to get through that 2022 video

[burnt grove]

They’re long cause they have a lot of information to digest

I think they recently went back to also doing written articles if you like reading instead

[burnt dune]

and the 2023 video is kind of useless to me. over half of the cases arent available since its just a preview for the year. but since its december im hoping that the best 2023 cases video will be released soon if it isnt out already

i have basically decided away and deduced everything (mostly) from all our talks and debates on this thread for the case. i struggle extremely badly with aesthetic stuff and i just have really weird tastes. i dont think they are weird, but no one ever seems to like my aesthetic tastes. so idk lmao

ik im ultimately making a case for me but i just struggle idk what i want the case to look like really and i almost dont care lmao

[burnt grove]

Tbh for me personally performance and cooling comes first then I decide on aesthetics

[burnt dune]

but ik i do want it to be pink or a girly color

[burnt grove]

But I also don’t go overboard with it cause no matter what you pick theirs always gonna be something else that catches your eye eventually

[burnt dune]

i want a pc case that will make girls online jealous and go thats so cute.

but since most girls dont really get into this stuff its just hard finding other people i can talk to about this.

[burnt grove]

I bought the Fractal design pop air xl for air cooling but now I’m looking into the NV lineup of phanteks cases for water cooling

[burnt dune]

cause what you want aesthetically is easier to find based off of other people with similar tastes but anyone i talk to about that isnt really in here.

like every girl wants a gamer girl pc that screams personality but every girl i have ever met that has tried, ended up giving up.

because they usually want to know everything they can to make a good decision and when men start explaining everything, they just shut down.

its been so hard for me.

[burnt grove]

It’s part of life

[burnt dune]

but i think ik i want pink, and not white

[burnt grove]

Men are decisive most women are not

[burnt dune]

i dont really wanna do white and pink lights. im just not really going for the whole optimized aesthetic look.

[burnt pumice]

im not decisive lol

[burnt grove]

Okay well most men then

[burnt dune]

i think it depends on trauma. and men have that too.

[burnt grove]

And normally the older you get the more decisive you become because of past experiences

[burnt dune]

i think i just have a lot of trauma and its made me very strange in ways im not even capable of seeing

[burnt grove]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-ok-ok-oh-ok-oh-okay-gif-18238573721271168162

[burnt dune]

but yeah. ive always been indecisive.

i only become decisive after i master something

like every restaurant i go to. i usually try everything on the menu at least once

then i become decisive.

i always know what i want after that.

so much so that i just stop going

[burnt pumice]

trauma ?

[burnt dune]

yeah just like think of it like.

lifelong conditioning

like in smash bros, if someone always does the same move over and over and over again in a certain way at the same place. eventually it become predictable. and people will respond to it. cause they know its going to happen. and then you change it up on them and it catches them off guard.

thats like real life, but when you get caught off guard its not good, and it feels uncomfortable.

like with this and pc building. maybe its just cause ive had too much pressure put on me to make a decision

or maybe its just that it costs so much.

i dont want to spend all this money and make the wrong decision

but then at the same time. people kind of make mobo and cases buying out to be like its a just choose whatever sort of thing that looks cool

if i chose something that looks cool, im almost guaranteed to be disappointed.

because im gonna get it and just feel guilty af about getting something that looked cool instead of something smart lmao

but i have basically figured everything out about cases, i just need to prioritize the airflow. i just need to look at the benches and report back here about what im thinking about those case benchmarks.

cause i can mitigate any aesthetic with DIY pink spray paint. the DIY job seems super easy actually.

i also care a lot about front usb cause its easy to access. and i really like usbc and tbolt.

like i kind of need proof that this case is the best case money can buy

if people tell me to buy the montech air or whatever, its like. yeah okay. i will keep a mental note, but like what if they are just a montech mega fan or something.

in the same way i am careful of ai. i am careful of human subjective opinion.

cant really argue with GN benchmarks tho

and most would say, its just a case. but like. im gonna be looking at this thing for the next 10 years + probably. i dont want to have to waste another $100 or something.

the money doesnt even actually impact me that much, but it like, impacts my emotions more. i want to feel good about the purchase. i dont want to regret it. i will gladly waste more time or spend hundreds of dollars more just to avoid that feeling of regret.

ik another thing i really wanna do is put things on my case like stickers.

things like probably a kirby sticker or like hello kitty stickers stuff like that. i just feel like sometimes people see other girls post stuff like that online and feel jealous or envious as if they are like the owner of those symbols and they are off limits to you. but literally there is nothing stopping you from making something apart of you starting right now today regardless if you are a man or woman. and you should especially if you are envious. cause AFTER you do this. that envy goes away.

and i wont be able to have a whole bunch of stuff like that in the van. like i cant really have a huge kirby collection or all these really cute collections that girls have inside a van. the most i can really do is put a sticker on my pc.

its like a fomo feeling. or a feeling of being left out especially when you want to be apart of it all. and it actually IS that deep and i dont want to explain why here.

so yeah just a lot of pressure aesthetically and beyond the scope of this thread

i will work on the aesthetics after its done and post updates tho

[covert gorge]

this will only happen if the case gets modded tbh

[burnt dune]

i plan on pink spray paint. this will allow me to have a powerful good case that people on this thread could be proud of my selection but also look cute

stickers too

idk what other mods i could do tho

but i do want something unique within reason

[covert gorge]

that's part of it, but there are those that fully redesign the front panel for example

[burnt dune]

i wouldnt be opposed, but idk how hard it would be

that might be a good option if i really dont like the front panel tho

[covert gorge]

an example of a modified front panel

the solid front of this though puts the case into "easybake oven" territory

[burnt dune]

if i can narrow down, the cargovan i want then i can p much buy that, and then research the pc case. the cheapest options are box trucks and gen 1 sprinters.

but gen 1 sprinters are prone to rust and are MB so parts are expensive and dealers are far and few. afaik even for gen1 even though gen1 is more reliable afaik than gen 2 or gen 3 sprinters.

and box trucks are good too, i love the space, but the mpg is mid compared to cargovans which arent much better, but im mostly worried about parkability. idk how to research parkability. idk how it works. im basically scared of getting a box truck and having a hard time parking it.

so for these reasons i have kind of decided recently that i wont be getting a cheap used option like these 2. and any other cheap used option have much worse cons like a shuttle bus or schoolie etc.

out of the big 3 cargovans its been difficult cause they are all so similar.

but the gen 2 and 3 MB sprinters are most likely a no cause they have like 300 dealers only. and parts are expensive and repairs are expensive. and entry level pricing is expensive lol. its just a luxury option with basically not many benefits. the cons out weigh the pros. it seems.

the nissan NV everyone basically says is ass.

so that really just leaves the ford transit and the dodge ram promaster

BUT i also have to think about the ford E transit.

i found out yesterday that financing a vehicle actually costs more money than buying a vehicle outright.

so idk if i want to finance anymore since it could save me 3- 8k to just not finance.

but some of these options are getting a little out of my budget even for me

like i heard the ford E transit is like $60,000, i can finance that. but idk if i can buy that outright tbh

[covert gorge]

if it's not new, then ideally buying it outright would be better

[burnt dune]

i also am worried about getting an EV in general

im worried about certain unknown unknowns

like the range. its literally perfect for 90% of my life

but what about when i have a doctors appointment in just the next city over lol?

like if i wanted to go to columbus ohio from toledo ohio for an anime convention. i honestly DONT KNOW if i can even make it there lmao

cause the range is like 126 mi

ik i can stop at an EV station otw, but that would make me like 1 hour late. or would require me to get ready 1 hour earlier. i feel like stopping mid day to charge your vehicle is a huge downside

but if its like during the week when im just staying in the same city and going to work. its literally OP. its literally broken

i could basically go anywhere and live for free and pay $20 every 2 weeks and not have to "fill up"

ik now its possible to charge the EV battery off solar, but its very slow. so most would come from overnight while i am asleep but that wouldnt be ideal since its night. so most would be during my slow mornings inside the van when im not driving. or maybe throughout the day while im at work.

this would make it so that i might not have to charge every 2 weeks at all. i might just always be good and okay.

but also, if i need to charge throughout the week. i could literally plug in and sleep there for the night since people expect you to be at a station or leave your EV at an EV station to charge. its super normal and would honestly be better than a walmart parking lot in some cases.

im also p sure you can carry an extra battery / charger / generator with you that you can use to charge the EV battery. but idk how that works or how its different from plugging into solar.

like speed wise, it would probably also be very slow.

but if so, you could charge while you drive on a trip, but idk how much more range a generator could give.

or if it actually is possible to charge while driving.

cause my issue with the ford E transit, is that i wont have a house each night to drive to where i can plug it in to charge in my garage each night.

but if my solar setup is charging my vehicles all morning and all day while im at work and all night barely from any miniscule amount it gets. then i might not have to pay anything on charging each month. that would be such a huge expense gone.

everytime i fill up my car now its usually about $40. and it usually only lasts about 3-4 weeks. i only drive to work.

i live about 5 mi away right now.

5 mi there. 5 mi back

if i get the ford E transit. i would be getting solar panels. and i wouldnt be parking 5 mi away from work. i would be parking either at my jobs parking lot lmao. or i would be parking 0.5-1 mi away.

i could even hitch a motorcycle on the back of the ford E transit.

and it just came out in 2022, but people are already starting to use it for vanlife

and i have already seen people hitch a motorcycle on the back of both the ford E transit and the ford transit for the same philosophy as i have. to mitigate fuel economy / range issues.

i also have to do a lot of calculating for detemining dogecoins projections. that's honestly my win condition. if dogecoin does anything. i could probably buy something outright

but a bettter plan would be to wait for the drop after that. buy back in. and sell off the $10,000s in bulk instead of the $1000s in bulk

[worthy gust]

theres also another case if you decide to go atx that not alot of people know about thats quite small and still supports a full atx board its from vetroo and its called the al mesh 7c

[burnt dune]

im considering all options now. cause case form factor mostly just changes height / headroom afaik

and in a van. if the pc builds up, its not an issue for where im gonna put it

[worthy gust]

pretty small form factor basically as small as a case can be and still support a full size atx mobo

[covert gorge]

basically a jonsbo d41 clone

the psu is at the front of the cas and not at the bottom

[worthy gust]

still different though

and both cases have the psu at the front

the vetroo case is a good margin cheaper too

[burnt dune]

yep so still no 2023 GN video for cases

im gonna do some research tonight, since i feel like its been a minute

GN does a case awards video each year

and goes as far back as 2014

oh wow, it seems psu shrouds are relatively new in the pc world. ig back then, people used to have to mod them in.

and optical drives were still p mainstream 10 years ago

fractal torrent seems like something i should consider

best thermals for 2 years in a row

this is what i mean.

40C is great but like. it means not much to me since idk what cpu was benched lmao

and i also dont know what they mean by best out of the box thermals?? like what else can you do??

what does out of the box case thermals even mean lmao

and heres the gpu benches

but like what gpu did they use lmao

50C sounds great but that means fucking nothing to me

[burnt grove]

He either shows it in the description of the video or earlier in the video

Typically anyway

[burnt grove]

Basically means without modding the case or adding aftermarket fans

Out of the box performance

[burnt dune]

OH

ik what out of box / stock means but i was like how would that apply to a case.

i didnt know you could really mod a case to have better airflow

[burnt grove]

Well basically, take the front panel off or side panel yano

Technically a mod I guess other then that if the case performs well there’s no reason to do anything else

I wanted the fractal torrent but with with the pop air for some reason

[burnt dune]

oh okay

so which is more important in case benchmarks

the cpu temp or the gpu temp?

[burnt grove]

Both are pretty important but under a certain threshold it’s basically how high of a temp are you comfortable with and what noise level are you comfortable with

[burnt dune]

what is best mechanical design lol?

[burnt dune]

im guessing this is best noise normalized thermals which is temp (C) / db

[burnt grove]

Functionality basically. Ie: swinging front panels instead of detachable ones and removable rad/fan brackets etc.

[burnt grove]

Yup

IMO anything below 60c is great for the gpu but 55 is fantastic for air cooling which can be done with a good airflow case on a high end card. And unless your running heavy cpu intensive tasks your cpu during gaming shouldn’t be getting over 60-65c max if you have an adequate cooler

Unless it’s the 13900-14900k cause they’re just nuclear reactors lol

[burnt dune]

well thats why im confused to hell

the gpu benchmarks ive seen, the lowest was about 60C

for the 4090

[burnt grove]

That’s perfectly fine

[burnt dune]

but the matrix is able to push about 50C

[burnt grove]

Thermal throttle starts at 85c if I’m not wrong

Or close to it

[burnt dune]

so how the fractal torrent is getting a solid 55C gpu is beyond me.

[burnt grove]

Because of water cooling

[burnt grove]

Air flow

[burnt dune]

unless its just not a 4090 as the control

[burnt grove]

Very good airflow

[burnt dune]

i dont think they are testing water cooled tho

i think its all just airflow

[burnt grove]

It’s not his test bench is low powered hardware. I can’t remember but it’s always the same exact gpu he uses in his tests to eliminate discrepancies

[burnt dune]

i also cant find what hardware they used. i checked the description and rewatched the intro so many times

[burnt grove]

It just gives you a general sense of how the case does for airflow

[burnt grove]

It may not be listed in that video I’m for sure he’s listed it in some videos tho. But none the less it’s low end hardware

[burnt dune]

compact and nano seem like good options too

[burnt grove]

The thermals just give you a general idea of airflow and comparative thermals

Obviously if you have a 4090 you’re probably gonna run closer to 60-65c depending on fan speeds

Which is still not bad

[burnt dune]

yeah but i cant compare really

cause like what if he tested with a 4090

[burnt grove]

I mean you can the torrent is still the best airflow of all the other cases even for the4090

The thermals would be higher yes but relative to the other cases the torrent has the best airflow and thermals comparatively to the other cases in general so it’s still gonna perform better with the 4090 then the other cases

Within those margins even on that video tho it’s just what you like most aesthetically. Cause the top 10 perform so similarly the difference in thermals is negligible tbh and obviously those temps could be even lower if you have a lower ambient temperature

[burnt dune]

is fractal design the same as fractal

[burnt grove]

Yes

[burnt dune]

okay so fractal design pop air and fractal torrent are same people

[burnt grove]

It’s just fractal design most people just call it the fractal torrent

[burnt dune]

okay cool

[burnt grove]

Si

[burnt dune]

i see now

[burnt grove]

Imo fractal makes “some” of the most well designed cases on the market for form and functionality

[burnt dune]

he gave best budget to montech x3 mesh

[burnt grove]

Montech has really blew up the case market as of lately

[burnt dune]

even 5000d and 7000d seem to basically not stack up that great in terms of thermals

even their other best options seem to 7C hotter which is honestly a lot

[burnt grove]

The Montech 903 max is a really good contender as well it’s just REALLY big

[burnt grove]

It’s pretty funny yea 😂😂

[burnt dune]

honestly i would love to spray paint the fractal torrent pink

that, i could live with and be happy. and it would look great

[burnt grove]

Just get a vinyl wrap

[burnt dune]

i didnt know they had those for pc cases

only heard about those for cars

[burnt grove]

No I mean just get general vinyl wrap

It’s not for anything specifically

[burnt dune]

OHH i keep thinking of the fractal terra.

[burnt grove]

There’s companies I don’t know any specifically. But there’s some that will make a custom wrap for you if you give them a design but it’s not cheap

[burnt dune]

ik the torrent is different. looks way different

but i was like "why am i thinking of another case rn"

[burnt grove]

Yea the Terra is ITX

[burnt dune]

yeah

wont work for my sitch

are all the lancools by lian li

it seems the cooler master sl600m has the best gpu thermals

i cant even find the sl600m for cpu thermals

like what

[burnt grove]

They’re probably garbage

The case has bottom airflow but a closed off front panel so

[burnt dune]

lmao, so it has 45C gpu but like 75C+ cpu??

[burnt grove]

I mean its possibly

[burnt dune]

so in this case, the cpu temp was so important to make the #1 in gpu temps become not even talked about or considered.

[burnt grove]

Those components get air from two different locations typically

[burnt grove]

The torrent tho 😮‍💨

[burnt dune]

torrent is p good still in gpu

p500a seems to take #2, but is like +10C hotter in cpu, so maybe not worth

[burnt grove]

Yup

[burnt dune]

maybe the sum of the difference of both the gpu and cpu temps is what matters over the one or the other.

because idk, maybe less total heat overall is just better.

if more heat is concentrated on one part regardless of cpu or gpu its probably not good

so value those less

[burnt grove]

Gotta remember these are normalized noise thermals

[burnt dune]

but also it seems that there is a bias towards cpu thermals in general

[burnt dune]

the ones im talking about are not. but im gonna look at the noise normalized ones too next

[burnt grove]

So like the temps are captured at a noise level of the fan rpm that isn’t annoying

Ohhh

[burnt dune]

or should i say nzxt

im just kidding

[burnt grove]

Well if your gaming in general the cpu will normally be cooler

[burnt dune]

about the nzxt part. not the noise normalized part. i still gotta look at that chart again deeper

[burnt grove]

Some games stress the cpu but in general not too bad

[burnt dune]

hm okay.

[burnt grove]

Like cyberpunk is gpu and cpu intensive but games like the new Avatar are very gpu intensive and no so much cpu intensive

[burnt dune]

so like heres how we can aggregate it instead just taking GN's word for it.

sl600m 45c gpu 75c cpu 120c combined
p500a 47.5c gpu 49.5c cpu 97c combined
h500 mesh 48.5c gpu 50c cpu 98.5c combined
lancool ii mesh 49c gpu 44.5c cpu 93.5c combined
p400a 48c gpu 48c cpu **96c **combined
h500m mesh 49.5c gpu 75c cpu 124.5c combined
in win airforce 50c gpu 44c cpu 94c combined
torrent 50c gpu 40.5c cpu 90.5c combined
lower is better

so yeah would seem like the torrent has an overall better thermals

much better in fact

its an older case. which is a good sign if its doing this well.

im interested if older cases actually were hotter on average

like 2014 cases

but i didnt see any benches in the 2014 video

i aggregate numbers like this for financials too, like with stocks or assets. its not hyper accurate but it gives you a rough estimate / a good idea at a quick glance which i like

so now i can see how the compact holds up rq

51c gpu 41c cpu 92c combined

hm yeah, thats p good.

2C might be worth going smaller honestly

i wish they did the nano

but i dont know much about the nano. if its 15 L or less. it wouldnt work for me anyway

h7 elite is like 98.5c combined so prolly not worth tbh

4000d airflow is like 101.5c combined so pretty bad and not worth mentioning really

everything seems to line up and is heavily cpu biased.

most of the lancools from this info seem to be sub par actually except the lancool iii and ii mesh

most of the corsair d series dont seem worth tbh

and cooler master seems to just have ass cases

lancool iii would be 95c combined
lancool ii mesh would be 93c combined
lancool 215 would be like 97c combined.
lancool ii is like 110c lol

so all p bad overall tbh. except lancool ii mesh. it seems like words like mesh and airflow point buyers towards the performant options but like

why would you not want something that performs well

to me, its not an airflow version. its just the pokemon platinum edition. the same thing but better revised or upgraded. newer even. in some cases probably.

i should consider

the fractal torrent
the fractal torrent compact
the lancool ii mesh
and the in win airforce

because they all have good thermals and are all well rounded thermals

i think i should probably avoid the corsair cases like the 7000d or anything for having mid af thermals. and cooler master for having unbalanced thermals.

phanteks cases arent horrible.

it seems like airflow and mesh are the goal but not always the case.

meshify 2 is 100c+

500dx is also 100c+

you might not actually get -10C average less heat overall from the torrent, but its probably a better roll of the die

and i agree with GN for choosing the torrent based off these benches

best budget the x3, comes at jsut 99.5c combined if that tells you anything

so thats probably temp (C) / price

im gonna avoid it

fractal pop air is 100c+

it seems "best mechanical design" is basically the case that has the best QoL options

best option for convenience

so good for first time builders

more forgiving case, but still complex

cause extra stuff so that might be confusing for some

i feel like the pop air was a weird choice. since the x3 out performs it and is cheaper.

the mid range choice in this video basically devolved to the more expensive shit option lol

i also feel like opening with best overall was so lost on me. i havent once thought about the y60 lol

should have saved best overall for last after ive gotten a bigger picture

lmao

aint no way he put this y60 at #1

its like 116c combined

50c+ on both cpu and gpu

mf no it aint close enough 😆

thats like 25c hotter than the fractal torrent overall.

okay so i see why now

stock its ass

but "in the right configuration"

but wth is side intake mean

ik what side intake is

but like what configuration would that be?

arent you suppsed to use all the fans.

he also doesnt show the gpu graph for the y60 in this special configuration lmao

48.7c is not good enough especially when the fractal torrent is getting 40.5c

just say the y60 looks cool and thats why its #1 lol

it should literally be fractal torrent again this year lmao

so ig why the lancool iii and 215 are decent are because they are quiet

oh wait they are all normalized to 35db

it seems cases run hotter

torrent compact = 100.1C combined
lancool iii = 98.6C combined
fractal torrent = 100.2C combined
lancool 215 = 99.4C combined

so it would seem that coldest and quietest case actually is the lancool iii.

[covert gorge]

yes, that is one of their case lines

[burnt dune]

but it really is really close.

[covert gorge]

the torrents come with fans you don't have to change out

[burnt dune]

torrent seems to handle quiet operation worse than the lancools so lancools are actually more than just convenience and feature filled.

noise normalization really does tell a completely different story

i wonder how loud 35 db even is

[covert gorge]

as those are not the airflow ones, that's normal, when you go for the airflow versions it differs, also GN uses a standardised setup of fans to show airflow

[covert gorge]

35db for audio is pretty much the loudest you get on any decent fan

[burnt dune]

25 is a whisper. ik db is parabolic.

so then 35 is kind of loud for a pc then?

or really they are saying at normal operation

[covert gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVkAXSJeKKM

[covert gorge]

it's noticable on alot of fans

[burnt dune]

O11 air mini = 108.3
pop air rgb = 107.1
5000d airflow = 106.8
haf 500 = 102
meshify 2 compact = 108
7000d airflow = 109
lancool ii mesh = 100.6
p500a = 99.6
p400a rgb = 102.8
meshify 2 = 102.4
enthoo pro 2 = 98.8
everything else in chart is obvious hot gargbage

i would say the haf 500 lancool ii mesh and p500a are all still good / great

this means after noise normalization the p500a is better than the p400a

and the meshify 2 compact is hotter than the meshify 2 by a good amount

the y60 tho is still very hot tbh.

60C is fine but like its not the best overall lol

the h510 flow is better 💀

that means the chart is sorted by cpu temps first

but thats not great since it leaves some unmentioned neighbors unmentioned in this tier. and they definitely should be

unless gpu temps dont matter at all cause like the p500a is apparently much worse than the lancool 215 but like they are honestly very close overall.

the lancool 215 just has better cpu temps but the p500a has better gpu temps

enthoo pro 2 is p low on the list but it has a 98.8C combined

and it's cause its gpu temp is so low at 46.9

the lowest on the list

cpu temp is 52c vs 44c tho

heres a comment on the video talking about what im confused about too

so now in context with everything.

i would disagree with GN and here is my revised ranking because they put a heavy priority on cpu thermals for some reason.

#1 lancool iii
#2 enthoo pro 2
#3 lancool 215
#4 p500a digital
#5 torrent compact / torrent
#6 lancool ii mesh
#7 haf 500 ( a good runner up )

everything GN said about the first 4 cases is true. they really are all still good. and all 4 still make it into the top 5 instead of the top 5. but their #5 the O11 air mini has the hottest gpu temp benched. they dont mention the enthoo pro 2 or the p500a digital. but they also mention the haf 500 as a good runner up coincidentally.

this is also will a more gaming kept in mind. enthoo and p500a both have exceptional gpu thermals. the lancool iii has exceptional cpu thermals for productivity and cpu bound games, but it is also 5-10C hotter on the gpu.

the lancool 215 and the p500a digital are the most well rounded.

forgot to add ii mesh

and after #7 it would be meshify 2 and p400a rgb

[timber granite]

Are you ready to pick a fucking case?

[burnt grove]

Lancool 3 is a very mechanically complex case which is cool if your into that but even as Steve says in his video it’s sorta pointless and makes the case super heavy

[burnt pumice]

nope

[burnt pumice]

disagreing with an actual connaisseur is funny

[burnt epoch]

This is the 6th month

[ruby bane]

Dream this obsessing about small details that will not change your experience whatsoever is unhealthy and just plain fucking annoying

[long oriole]

Buy a torrent amazing for aio /s

[timber granite]

What?

[long oriole]

If ur going aio

Torrent is not a good idea

It's best for air coolers

Iirc

[timber granite]

It’s shit for aios

The only mounting for one is on the bottom

[long oriole]

So yeah I did remember correctly

[timber granite]

If it even has mounting

[long oriole]

Why u say what? Then

[timber granite]

Say what

[long oriole]

Dis

[timber granite]

Oh. I was confused why you said it was good for aios

I didn’t know what “/s” meant

[long oriole]

The /s was meant to say its sarcastic sorry

[timber granite]

Yeah, I looked it up

[long oriole]

I'm shit with sarcasm so if I use it I have to say

Van build with a torrent would hit hard

Literally

Big case

[timber granite]

Van with this build is a bad idea in general

[long oriole]

True

True

Tbh a van life in general isn't really a solid living environment long term in my eyes

[burnt dune]

its not lol

[burnt dune]

it is lmao

[burnt epoch]

fr lol she should just be getting a gaming laptop

or a itx pc with like 7700 and 4070

[burnt dune]

when you put content up online, its up for criticism

they put the y60 up for best overall, and looking at the charts HE provided, that makes almost no sense lmao

definitely not best overall

maybe best aesthetics or visually interesting

[burnt pumice]

criticing someone when you have absolutely no experience in that domain nor equipement to test it is well...

[burnt dune]

but definitely not best noise normalized thermals lol

[burnt dune]

???

[timber granite]

The power required to sustain it makes this build a bad idea in a van

[burnt dune]

yeah but it actually does have the best noise normalized thermals

in this chart anyway

[burnt dune]

its actually not really an issue, people have done much more.

and also, the inverter that i will need isnt even a big deal

[long oriole]

A van is not reliable long term

It's not stable long term

[burnt dune]

yes it absolutely is lol

[long oriole]

A van can break

A van can need repairs

A van can provide issues with resources

[burnt dune]

you can just do maintenance

[timber granite]

for how much

[long oriole]

Which overall will cost a lot of money

[burnt dune]

i would probably be fine with a 3kW inverter.

but going a little higher isnt a big deal

so basically what im saying is, i can do a little an 850w psu or a 1600w psu and its not gonna be an issue. so i can do my thing i was saying or i can do your guys thing

if i do your guys thing, then the 850 / 1000 / 1200w psu will take up less space off the inverter meaning i can basically use around 2000w for anything else at the same time. but its also not going to be up to 2000w on the dot, you lose a good amount too so its like closer to like 2800w total so like 1800w leftover about. depending on the efficiency.

cause inverters have efficiency too

basically

but i also dont think i will be using anything while on the pc.

at least not really

and a 1600w psu doesnt mean it will draw that much

there was a couple for example that wanted to have a soda machine in their van turned on 24/7 so they can always have running soda lmao.

but it draws like 700w+ constantly

so they got an individual inverter for it lmao

meaning that one thing i said way back actually is possible too

but also, i dont mind getting a dedicated inverter for the pc

but i also probably dont need to either, i could just get a more expensive higher kW inverter. im sure i could even do 4kW and 5kW

but you can always tell vanlifers by their inverter cause if they have 1kW or a 2kW inverter they are kind of skimping out

[timber granite]

somehow i feel like rauko is wrong in saying that plugging a 1600w psu into a circuit that doesnt have 1600w available for the psu will pop the breaker/overload the circuit

[burnt dune]

most have 2kW

but ive seen people who did a 1kW inverter

but ive also seen 3kW inverters be more mainstream in a "futuristic build"

[burnt dune]

he might have just meant something else, he hasnt told me this isnt possible

if anything he told it was possible but that i would need an inverter which i didnt know about and he was right. i do need an inverter and it IS what all the other vanlifers are doing.

all i was saying earlier about GN is i think they took a "liberty" with the script and just put the y60 as best overall, but tbh i think that title should go to the fractal torrent and he even says its was very close but like the thermals on the y60 are not very close even in the right configuration lol.

[long oriole]

Ok ok ok

Are you doing a aio build

[burnt dune]

im literally convinced that GN is bored of cases from reviewing them so much. and was happy with the y60 cause the design is interesting.

[long oriole]

Are you going to gave an AIO

If you want water cooling in any form

[burnt dune]

yeah so from what im hearing fractal torrent isnt an option

[long oriole]

Forget the tortent

[timber granite]

i do agree that the hyte y60 should not be the "best overall"

[long oriole]

The torrent is a pure air cooling build

[burnt dune]

thats fine, cause we can just go down the line and look at our options

theres still other cases that were similar

[timber granite]

first of all, pick a form factor please

[long oriole]

Oh my goodness

[burnt dune]

and all of them are within margin of error mostly

[long oriole]

If ur changing from aio now what was the point in all that research

And the torrent is a big case

And I mean BIG

[timber granite]

the torrent will not accommodate watercooling

[burnt dune]

sigh i cant. the form factor is just going to be whatever case i randomly choose. i cant choose a form factor to narrow the case down, because the form factor of the case doesnt actually matter anymore since a full atx tower case can still be very small and the form factors arent trully standardized.

im glad i learned about them, and the case form factor will determine the mobo form factor so it is still important in other ways, but the form factor label doesnt really matter. i just need the volume to be around 20-40 L ish and as small as possible is preferred.

[timber granite]

form factor as in itx, matx, or atx

[long oriole]

Form factor matters

It definitely matters

[burnt dune]

the reason the fractal torrent is so good stock, is cause of its front panel

[timber granite]

not full tower, mid tower, etc

[long oriole]

Yes but the torrent is a massive case compared to the ones you wanted before

[burnt dune]

yeah ik that itx matx and atx are mostly mobo form factors which are standardized, and ik including them in the case form factor names is a gray area.

[long oriole]

If u want small

[burnt dune]

what im saying is that im looking at all case size options and looking for best thermals

might as well go for best noise too

[timber granite]

i want you to choose motherboard form factor so we can narrow down cases to 1 motherboard form factor

[burnt dune]

it wont help, cause i think this is working better for me rn. i feel less lost after last night. it was still good videos. im looing at the 2021 version now

[long oriole]

It will help...

Form factor decides so much

[timber granite]

not helping you until you decide a form factor

thats what everyone has been waiting on. as soon as you decide the motherboard form factor, we can start recommending cases for that motherboard

[long oriole]

Agreed

[burnt dune]

ill let you know after the case

thats the best i can do

[timber granite]

bruh

why the fuck cant you decide on a motherboard form factor???

[long oriole]

Can you read?

Form factor helps Decide the shitting case

[timber granite]

the longer you wait, the less brain cells we will have available to use to help you

[burnt dune]

i literally cant decide on a form factor

[timber granite]

why. not.

[burnt dune]

i need the case to help decide the form factor lol

[long oriole]

No you dont

[burnt dune]

cause i just want as small as possible

[long oriole]

The form factor is so simple

[timber granite]

for your build list?

the phanteks p200a

[long oriole]

Agreed

[timber granite]

end. of. story.

[burnt dune]

idk how the thermals compare yet

what is 3dmark? is it gpu bound?

[timber granite]

it has front and side mesh as well as bottom intake for a gpu. the thermals will be fine ffs

[ruby bane]

3dmark is a program

[long oriole]

The stupid thermals are dependent on external factors iswell

Not just the case

[ruby bane]

there are different benchmarks in 3dmark

[burnt dune]

okay

[burnt dune]

yeah but apparently its the same testing components and same people and probably the same building

/ room

[ruby bane]

most people that do 3dmark do timespy or timespy extreme

[burnt dune]

it seems 2021 has the same cases for the 2022 tests too

[timber granite]

i wonder why

maybe its because cases dont age like a cpu/gpu

[burnt dune]

well yeah sort of

but how far back should i go

2014?

[timber granite]

ignore the age of the case

[burnt dune]

i am

[timber granite]

find one with good ventilation and that supports your components and just pick it

[burnt dune]

but like how far back should i go

for the videos

[timber granite]

stop looking at case benchmarks

thats my answer

[burnt dune]

the case benchmarks are the only thing working for me

[long oriole]

Yes

[timber granite]

....

[burnt dune]

so apparently you can put a nas inside your case

[timber granite]

but dont

[burnt dune]

why

[long oriole]

Network attached storage in a case

Not good

[timber granite]

dedicated hardware is significantly better

[long oriole]

I hate NAS

And SAN

[timber granite]

they have their uses

[burnt dune]

what other reasons

[timber granite]

is that not a good enough reason?

[burnt dune]

yeeah its not

[long oriole]

Yeah but I have to learn them for my course and they confuse me

[timber granite]

seriously?

modern cases also dont have enough drive mounts for most nas configurations

[long oriole]

Creeper

[timber granite]

what

[long oriole]

NAS is hdd right?

[timber granite]

what?