looking for a relatively small case

[burnt grove]

Negligible at best

[timber granite]

Fan noise and longevity of components

[burnt dune]

or as cold as possible

[burnt grove]

Yea^

[timber granite]

Hot temperatures make cpu and gpu dies die sooner

[burnt dune]

but isnt fan noise just the stress of the parts themselves. like a fan that needs to work harder. so small 80mm fans i think. will be loud

[timber granite]

No

[burnt dune]

but like i feel like going colder would only increase the noise

[timber granite]

With cooler temps, the fans don’t need to spin as fast

So less fan noise

[timber granite]

Hell no. Why would you think that

Well

[burnt dune]

because the fans itself are what makes it cold.

[burnt grove]

Colder ambient temps will make the components cooler with a lower fan rpm

[burnt dune]

like how do you get colder without the fans making them cold first

unless fans are airflow only and rads are parts only. ig

[burnt grove]

No the air and heat sink cools the part not the fans

The fans just move air

[timber granite]

Turning on the fans higher to make it colder would be louder, but airflow means the fans have as much cold air as possible to deliver

[burnt grove]

Kinda like saying a fan in a hot room makes the room cooler lol no it doesn’t

[timber granite]

That’s what makes everything cooler and quieter

[burnt grove]

Doesn’t really matter how hard the fans spin if your inside van temps are hot asf tho

[timber granite]

Rephrased:
Better airflow means the fans have more cooler air to deliver, which lowers temps and and fan noise

[burnt dune]

actually no, ive looked into environment temps. and your environment has a very low impact on your pc temp.

[burnt grove]

That’s not true lol

[burnt dune]

it is

[timber granite]

Not true

[burnt grove]

No it’s not lol

[burnt dune]

it is

i looked into it a lot

[burnt grove]

No. It’s not

You were lied to then

[timber granite]

If the ambient temp goes up 2 degrees, your component temps will go up 2 degrees

[burnt dune]

airflow has a much larger impact. environment is basically negligible

[timber granite]

No no no

All wrong

[burnt dune]

nope

[burnt grove]

Fans just move air if your pc is in a hot room not only is it creating heat but the heatsink will have hot air blowing over it therefore superheating your components

You can’t transfer heat from your components with more heat lol

[timber granite]

The fans need cool air in the first place to help temps

[burnt grove]

I mean you can try it yourself crank your pc when you build it and throw a heater infront of it. You’ll fry it real quick

[timber granite]

Where the fuck did you learn that ambient temps don’t matter

[burnt grove]

That’s a really stupid idea

[burnt dune]

environment isnt the same thing as airflow

your case controls the ambient temp

[burnt grove]

Dude…we’re talking about ambient temps of the room

Which will control the ambient temps of your case

[timber granite]

🤦

[burnt grove]

You can’t transfer heat away from hot components with more heat

[timber granite]

How do we convey this clearly

[burnt grove]

There’s no way to other then…You don’t turn on the heat to cool down your room

So why would you cool your PC with hot air

The fans just move air they don’t cool components the heatsinks cool components. But they’re depending on being cooled by cool air. Have you ever heard of passive heatsinks? They don’t use fans at all they just transfer heat from the thermal transfer mass and ambient air temps being cooler then the components

Having low airflow that’s very cold would be better then high airflow that very hot. Sorta irrelevant but the point stands

[timber granite]

Yes

[burnt dune]

i already knew about the +1 C = +1 C

thing

what i apparently didnt know was that everyone just combines the temp of the air inside the case along with the air outside of the case

and calls that ambient temp

tbh, i would call the air inside the case. the ambient temp

and the air outside the case, the environment temp

but whatever.

ig both are the ambient temp

but it still doesnt matter cause the environment doesnt get that hot

the hottest it usually gets over here in the US is like 90 - 100 F in the summer. and thats rare. its usually like, 80+ F in the summer.

so if the gpu is 62 C that's = to 143 F ish

its never that hot

if anything its much colder than that

[burnt epoch]

…..

62 is normal for a gpu in gaming

[burnt dune]

85 F is only like 30 C

so for the ambient temp of the van to impact the temp of the parts, it would need to hit around 145.4 F or 63 C, for it to impact parts that are 62 C.

[timber granite]

yes it is

[burnt dune]

it is not going to be 63 C in my van

[timber granite]

oh are you talking about ambient temp?

[burnt dune]

i was talking about the environment temp at first

but ig the environment temp is included in the ambient temp

[timber granite]

thats the same thing

the environment temp is the same as the ambient temp

theyre interchangable

[burnt dune]

okay then yeah

ig

i was told the ambient temp was the case temp. the effectiveness of the airflow itself. not the environmental temps included

[timber granite]

where did you learn that

[burnt dune]

here

at what point does the outside air no longer matter? the air outside the van or outside of the house?

[timber granite]

if you have functioning AC that is capable of cooling the space, it doesnt matter

[burnt dune]

yeah but i might not

and also this implies that a decrease in 1 C also = a decrease in 1 C

[timber granite]

yeah

to a certain extent

[covert gorge]

@burnt dune take notice of this one, and airflow is not an elitism thing

you will want the ambient temp to be no lesser than 10C inside the vehicle

any lesser and condensation will start to form inside the vehicle tbh

15-20c for ambient temp is the comfortable zone for all

[burnt grove]

If your van is 100F and your gpu is under full load it will cook

[burnt dune]

but why

i guess im just confused on where the temps start cause if it always increases by 1 C then that implies that there is always going to be some percentage of the the parts temp that is at least partially ambient.

or due to ambience i mean

[covert gorge]

what he's saying is that if the ambient temps is 40c, then the gpu under high load is going to hit thermal shutdown temps quickly

[burnt dune]

the percentage would vary with the ambient temp. not the parts temp. since the workload can vary too, but assuming the workload stays the same.

[covert gorge]

yes but as the parts heat up, the ambient temp goes up

you essentially contend with 2 airflows

the airflow for the parts inside the case, and then the airflow of the room it's in

10c outside the case = temps inside the case + 10c

[burnt dune]

here are more examples from gpt4

[long oriole]

why use chatgpt?

[timber granite]

She means bing ai i think

[long oriole]

i mean ai in general

[burnt dune]

honestly im at the point where i dont even check google, but if i were to. i doubt i would get nuanced examples like this

[timber granite]

What’s wrong with it

[winged kite]

checks out

[timber granite]

What are you trying to learn

[burnt dune]

and i mean for something like this. it didnt even cross my mind to see if google would have meaningful relevant searches for this particular thing. a couple months ago, i would check google first. in july, gpt not at all. hadnt heard of it. i was excited about notion ai, which came out before gpt, but its paid so became useless after beta.

[burnt dune]

so like in example 1 that would mean that 44% of the 45 C on the cpu under moderate workload, is ambience only.

[timber granite]

What are you talking about

They’re not connected other than that when ambient changes, so will the pc temp

[winged kite]

what

[burnt dune]

in example 2 that would mean that only 38% of the 65 C on the gpu under heavy workload is ambience only. probably because the heavier workload as compared with example 1 cause more heat, meaning more of it is due to workload and not the ambience.

[timber granite]

^

[burnt dune]

so workload takes up a slightly larger percent in example 2

[long oriole]

im so confused rn

what do u mean by 38% of the temperature is ambience

oh wait i get it now

[covert gorge]

@burnt dune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEiNeO1S9tU

[burnt dune]

it literally scales linearly.

which i knew about before, but i didnt think it meant it like this

it just basically means, that about 30-45% of your pc parts temps is decided by your environment if true.

[covert gorge]

watch the vid, it gives good examples

[burnt dune]

okay im 3 mins in

and

so far

[timber granite]

Before you start, don’t narrate the video

[burnt dune]

• ive never heard of kioxia
• jtc basically just said that an exhaust rad off the top, IS better than having 2 intake rads or 1 intake rad.
• jtc also says that liquid doesnt make the ambient air cooler, it would actually transfer the heat from the pc better to the outside of the case making it a better heater than it otherwise would be. which i already knew that. i saw someone else do a simulation of the heat molecules to demonstrate it.

cause the 2 intake rads blow hot air into the internals

[covert gorge]

yes as it's more thermally efficient

[burnt dune]

okay, it was a question earlier. but im guessing its not a big deal. just a slight temperature optimization

[covert gorge]

but at the same time you can tweak it with the fan's speeds

[burnt dune]

so like a good airflow and it wont really matter if you have 2 intake rads or 1 intake rad front and side etc

[covert gorge]

if you used the p200a, it would be 1 intake, 1 exhaust where the rads are concerned if you use an aio and the suprim x liquid

[burnt dune]

is that okay?

[covert gorge]

yes it would be fine

[burnt dune]

cause like you really cant have 2 exhaust rads, the most ive seen is a 240mm rear. and thats kind of rare

[covert gorge]

you mean 240mm top

[burnt dune]

no i mean ive seen a 240 mm rear rad space. before.

[covert gorge]

unless it's a server type case it would only be 120mm on the rear

[burnt dune]

but its usually a 120 rad space, so basically not usuable

[timber granite]

The nv5 has 2 120mm fan mounts, i dont think it fits a rad

[burnt dune]

cause only top and rear can be exhaust right

side front and bottom all need to be intake. and bottom has rad issues.

unless ig if you were to use your case backwards and orient it with the power button close to the wall, cause then you could have 2 exhaust rads front (which would be rear) and top which would be normal.

[covert gorge]

side is the only one that can be intake or exhaust, but otherwise top + rear = exhaust, front + bottom = intake

[burnt dune]

oh side exhaust is okay too?

if side can be exhaust that kind of defeats the purpose of having the case be oriented backwards

[covert gorge]

depends on the setup, in the case of a p200a it would be an exhaust

[burnt dune]

if there is no side space tho, you can still do backwards orientation

then the rear io becomes the front io lol

[timber granite]

That would look ugly as hell

[burnt dune]

yeah but its only ugly, nothing else afaik

[covert gorge]

you do not want any cables poking out the front in any shape or form

i'm lucky that my front panel i/o is angled upwards allowing me to cable manage it in such a way i can tuck it towards the back and then come across the front

[burnt dune]

what case has the most front io?

i just want to see what exists

[timber granite]

The 7000d has quite a few

[covert gorge]

but at the same time all my cables are off the reat i/o even if it means using a hub or 2

[timber granite]

You won’t use it as much as you think

[covert gorge]

i have 3 usb ports on my front I/o not being used tbf

[burnt dune]

5 is the most ive seen tbh

[covert gorge]

if i ever went wireless for mouse and keyboard, 2 of the usb ports would be used up

[burnt dune]

so is there any point in going colder?

maybe oc and xoc ig.

[covert gorge]

XOC mainly

otherwise it's more finding a balance

[burnt dune]

so then if my gpu is at 62 C, getting a colder gpu, is basically pointless

unless i want to oc even harder basically

[covert gorge]

you won't get a colder gpu

[burnt dune]

the matrix is colder

[covert gorge]

guarantee it'll still get hot as the suprim would

[burnt dune]

yeah it would. 1 C for every 1 C ambient.

and oc the same.

but like, is that it?

[burnt grove]

Sorta

Just letting you know especially in a small space without adequate room cooling the PC will start to Heat the room and continue till the point it’s uncomfortable for you to be in it but by that time your Pc would start getting very toasty

[burnt epoch]

have you considered just getting a gaming laptop or a 7600 and 7800xt type build

that way heat isnt a problem at all

thats just something to think about

[burnt dune]

yeah jtc talks about that later, and i understand that. its a loop where. air is more gradual liquid is very direct.
with liquid, the ambient temp will increase much faster, so that means it will be a great heater for the van during the winter. might even increase by 10 C which is like 18 F.

so after some time, the occupied space heats up, and for every +1 C ambient, the parts will increase by +1 C too from their own dissapated heat even. meaning your occupied space / gaming room, needs a cooling set up too.

its not really an issue, if you go air, but that means less cooling on parts. so less potential overall.

[burnt grove]

It’s only a good “heater” when under heavy load

[burnt dune]

and its not really an issue if you dont do heavy workloads, or dont use it for long periods because that time it takes to warm up the occupied space depends on the size of the space meaning a van, will be relatively quicker than most apartments.

[burnt grove]

And it won’t be a very good heater after it get really cold

[burnt dune]

but i kind of plan on being in a small space, doing heavy workloads, and using it for long 8 - 11 hour stints. so it does matter for me

[burnt grove]

It’ll help with heating for sure but I’d plane on a decent heating solution also

Cause during the night in the winter it’ll get veryyy cold

[burnt epoch]

i reccomend this still

[burnt epoch]

.

[burnt dune]

i mean, 5 - 10 C boost in ambient temps is huge for someone like me

a heater that takes about an hour to do that, would be crazy

[burnt grove]

The pc won’t heat as fast as a heater

[burnt dune]

might not even need a real heater if its that efficient with liquid

[burnt grove]

You for sure will need a heater lol

Unless you have very good insulation and still will probably need a heater

[burnt dune]

heating methods are all different, like that one tiktok hack, i think its like the "infinite heat glitch" but i forget what it is. but with that one its obviously not infinite, its just a different type of heating in general.

it was radial. and in this case it would be radial too

[burnt grove]

A small 10,000 btu propane heater would heat a box truck in like 2-3 minutes

[burnt dune]

so you wont ever feel the heat in that way, like a real heater. you would notice its warmer after some time has passed.

[burnt grove]

Your pc might not even actually heat it if it’s 30F or below

[burnt grove]

Maybe depends how cold outside is

[burnt dune]

i might just go for a box truck

[burnt grove]

If it’s below freezing there’s no chance your PC is gonna heat the box truck

[burnt dune]

transits and promasters are just out of my budget unless i finance

i am finding old sprinters tho for cheap

[burnt grove]

At the point it would be dangerous to run your PC unless it’s already either A dehumidified air or B at least warm enough to prevent condensation on your parts

[burnt dune]

so what are the best ways to cool your "gaming room"

ik there is ACs

and regular fans

is there anyway, to have the room itself liquid cooled

like ig it would still be the parts themself

wait yeah

what about an external rad

[burnt grove]

Yea it’s called an AC

[burnt dune]

AC is just cold air

[burnt grove]

No it’s high pressure refrigerant

[burnt dune]

i could have an external rad installed into the side of my van

[burnt grove]

That’s cool’s air

[burnt dune]

like cut out the metal and instal the external rad to have it blow directly out of the van itself

[burnt grove]

Just use an AC that’s literally liquid cooling at its finest

[burnt dune]

if i do that, i can have the external rad even just sit in a van window

[burnt grove]

You could use the AC to cool an external PC rad

And your room at the same time

Only downside would be you’d have to run it 24/7 to cool your room or PC

[burnt dune]

what is btu?

[burnt grove]

Just a way of measuring heat output

[burnt dune]

https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/11m7mkf/why_use_external_rad/

so now its come full circle

now i know why people do external rads to begin with

its to avoid the whole inefficient looping of blowing hot air out of the pc and the pc intaking the same air that's been slightly cooled by the ambient air until the ambient air gets hotter

looks like a lot of sff people go this route too since most itx cases cant fit larger 260 rads

what can you plug an external rad into?

also found this for earlier so intake rads are prolly not good at all

[burnt grove]

Worst part is blower style gpus typically run pretty hot

(left)

[burnt dune]

oh ive never heard of blower style. i see what they imply tho

where would the io go

[burnt grove]

It’s on the back zoom in

[burnt dune]

oh so like still where the exhaust would be

does an external rad require all the custom tubing and fittings? or can i just plug the external rad into the cpu and gpu

[unkempt vine]

The rad doesn't work on its own
Still need two fittings and tubing to hook it up to the rest of your loop

[burnt dune]

but doesnt it leak less

so an external rad would be perfect for a vanlife setup

cause the leaking would happen outside of the case

[burnt grove]

No

You have fittings in your case also connecting to the components

[burnt epoch]

No there are still many fittings in the pc

[burnt dune]

heated floors are really easy to do afaik

[burnt dune]

afaik i think they are p cheap

[burnt dune]

so i would say, mileage matters more than the year

it seems to be the case with most novice car buyers but also veteran car buyers too. veterans seem to care more about mileage over the year.

from what i have researched online, it seems the year and mileage technically dont matter if the vehicle was well maintained.
but where as year is indicative of the age, its not a deal breaker for it being poorly maintained.
whereas, high mileage is a dead giveaway of how much use it got.

so like a vehicle with a high mileage is worse, and i dont think the year matters at all almost, ive been seeing people looking for and buying 1980s vehicles for this or 1990s willingly cause they like the vintage look

yeah newer is always better but i just dont think year is a deal breaker. and i need to expand my search.

im also increasing the search radius from 250 mi to 500 mi.

and high mileage doesnt seem to be a deal breaker either. but i think it matters more than the year. ig every vehicle has a different amount of how many miles it can handle and where different things happen at different mileages reliably.

so from what ive seen, honda civics can do 700,000 mileage. so a honda civic with 250,000 miles on it. isnt even halfway done with its lifespan

ive also seen that econoline can easily do 300,000 mileage, so that means an econoline with like 200,000 is going to be a decent budget purchase and one with 150,000 or less is going to be in really good shape most likely or at least still got about half its life left.

[covert gorge]

the older the car the harder it can be to get parts for it for replacements

[burnt dune]

thats true

but not the same with ford tho. but ford too.

[covert gorge]

it's the same with fords

[burnt dune]

thats something i do know about since i only have a hyundai and nissan

[foggy palm]

Why are you not just looking at getting a used class c?

[foggy palm]

class c trailer

https://rv.campingworld.com/rvclass/class-c-rvs

[timber granite]

why are we talking about vans? this is not the place for it

[burnt epoch]

Ikr

[long oriole]

pc not vans?

[burnt grove]

I mean it sorta is it’s part of the build lol

Not as relevant ofc but still

[burnt epoch]

this is actually breaking rule 10 at this point

[burnt dune]

class C is big. i didnt know anything about class a b or c before yesterday.

im really only wanting something more like a class b

[foggy palm]

there is fairly small class c

[covert gorge]

that's not what she said

[covert gorge]

those class C's from what i can tell are no bigger than that ecoline i linked to you tbh

i did think about that tbh, there would be some renovations needed for it to be suitable for her

tbf you could get one around 20k that would be decent and it would mainly only need solar panel + invert+ charger setup added to it

[feral vessel]

this shit, again?

how many revisions has it been? like 6?

[covert gorge]

5

[feral vessel]

i swear to god

[long oriole]

whats a revisions

[covert gorge]

a revised version of the same thing

[long oriole]

ohhhh ok

[covert gorge]

yeah, the interior is going to look dated and threadbare most of the time, but this could be converted out a bit better https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-class-c-rvs/2012-coachmen-freelander-31sa-front-living-20k-KAT2049163B

nah, barely much would need to be done to make this more viable, and it has plenty of room to do so, as for the arrangement for a desk and that, i'd remove these 2 seats and the table, as the space there is perfect to turn into a mobile office with a desk bolted in across there

with what room you get with this one there's barely much you'd have to touch in it, and tbh you don't even need to use it's slide out functions for enlarging certain parts

the "bunk over cab" it has, i'd convert into storage

i would say the only downside to an RV most of the time, is that the need to hook it up to running water/shore electric

[carmine sphinx]

Woaah thats a steal

[burnt dune]

i dont like RVs tbh.

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1080902286269165/

what about this

i talked him down to 4k

honestly they are less helpful

[burnt epoch]

Less helpful than a pc server

????

[burnt dune]

yeah. ive been in 2.

and 1 is that reddit server so nothing. useless. 1000 members

all of them dont know how to use discord

and all of then learned the bare minimum to make it work for them

the other is a broader "nomadic living" server

which is more helpful

[burnt epoch]

Atleast find another pc server to talk about vans with please this is breaking rule 10 and many of us are here to help with the pc

[burnt dune]

i mostly just want rauko's opinion tbh.

[burnt dune]

you havent helped at all. im at work and i literally cant work on the pc until i am home

[burnt epoch]

… all im asking is that we keep this thread related to the pc

[covert gorge]

it's definitely workable, i would take it for a test run before deciding on it, though have a check of the undercarriage

[burnt dune]

the entire van is going to be the battlestation. its literally going to be a battlestation on wheels

[burnt dune]

can i just dm you about the van stuff in detail

[burnt dune]

like. im really thinking about this one

but i cant tell if its one of the better ones or if i have better options

or if i should do a box truck or a shuttle bus instead

[covert gorge]

you could

just don't expect me to know every little detail

[burnt dune]

thats fine

[dense shale]

https://tenor.com/view/muzeke-gif-27066381

[scenic tulip]

me when its build a pc, not build a van

just sayin, :3

[burnt dune]

p sure ive seen iono around here before.

why is eva and iono attacking me. shouldnt we be sticking together. especially on thanksgiving when we have no family.

https://youtu.be/pL5uttjPWZE?si=jTvrmtFfGODnwtIc

whats taking GN so long to release the 2023 case video

am i really only able to use their 2022 video as a resource?

its like 2024 in 30 days lmao

[cloud totem]

..yeah

[long oriole]

just wait...

they most likely are either waiting on a new case to release and will release it at the end of the year

[burnt dune]

they have like 1 month to release that 2023 case video

[long oriole]

hence its the best cases of the whole year

yeah one month, thats still a lot of time

[burnt dune]

i have case fomo

[cloud totem]

there is legit nothing to miss out

theyre all sheets of aluminum with glass

lol

[burnt dune]

i dont want to buy a case from their 2022 video if some new cool case is better from 2023

ik that cases basically never change, but what did pc cases from 1995 look like compared to now

are 1995 cases outdated at least

[cloud totem]

psu placement

[burnt dune]

or like whats an outdated case? is 2010 outdated?

[cloud totem]

oh wait i got the question wrong

if ure telling me you never saw an old pc ure a liar

[cloud totem]

..cases are 99% personal preference

[long oriole]

cases are completly personal preference as said above

how can u have fomo on cases???

[burnt dune]

well not really

[long oriole]

yes they are??

[burnt dune]

they have a huge impact on airflow

[long oriole]

a case is designed to be able to fit what you want

[burnt dune]

which impacts thermals, which impacts performance

[cloud totem]

not that big of a difference

[long oriole]

i feel like ur overthinking this

[cloud totem]

as long as it has gaps to take air through, its fine

[long oriole]

the difference isnt huge

[burnt dune]

its p big actually

[long oriole]

not as pig as u are making it seem?

cases are all personal preference

[burnt dune]

+or- 5 C is a big deal.

[long oriole]

they suit what you want

what you need

a case could have a slot for 1 radiator or two

[burnt dune]

im not making it seem like anything? its objective

[cloud totem]

its really not

[long oriole]

thats personal preference

[burnt dune]

that rad slots are just clearance and capatability with your build

[long oriole]

yes thats preference

its dependent on what you like and want in your build

that is preference is it not?

[burnt dune]

not everything is preference lmao. we cant just say oh well, this metric is a preference because some people might prefer a shitty case lmao

only preference part about a case is the aesthetics.

[long oriole]

but it isnt?

[burnt dune]

it is

[long oriole]

the inside of your case is also preference

[cloud totem]

as long as it has mesh its not gonna be a 5C difference

[long oriole]

prefence is what u want in the case

[cloud totem]

and the 4090 (if you use it smart) and 7950x3d barely sip any power

[long oriole]

if u want two rad slots thats preference

[burnt dune]

great, and now we have gotten no where with that word

[long oriole]

lmao

[timber granite]

What word

[burnt dune]

"preference"

[burnt dune]

right over his head

im asking what do they miss out on that a new case would have

i doubt that

no im p sure theres probably less than 5000 cases from that year

i doubt it

i already said, i dont have a family

[long oriole]

THANK YOU 🤦‍♂️

[unkempt vine]

I mean, it won't leak at all if you put the loop together correctly

Also wouldn't recommend custom watercooling SFF as your first build
(My current system is custom watercooled SFF)

[burnt dune]

well i mean it might leak if i put it in a van

but if i did an external rad, i might be able to get around the van issues

[unkempt vine]

It won't leak if all the fittings are tight

[burnt dune]

cause i would love to do custom loop cooling

[unkempt vine]

Naturally the fluid level will decrease over time due to evaporation but, that happens at an incredibly slow rate

[burnt dune]

why do people say custom loop isnt good for vanlife? is it just cause the potholes and bouncing around

[unkempt vine]

Yes

[burnt dune]

cause like im p sure i can get around that

[long oriole]

And its a lot more expensive and complex so for a first build it may not be a good idea?

[unkempt vine]

Fluid bouncing around with a chance of bursting from a fitting inside a PC is not really a good thing to have happen

[burnt dune]

like what if i mounted the case to the wall or cieling

[unkempt vine]

Still gonna bounce when you hit a pothole or drive over a bumpy road

[burnt dune]

or what if i had it supported with bungie cords or shock absorbers

but also, the bumps in the road are rarely that bad

[unkempt vine]

Bungie cords can snap
Shock absorbers aren't produced in small enough ratings to deal with how 'light' the PC is in comparison to a normal load

Also, speedbumps do exist, and roads do just have regular bumps in them

[burnt dune]

if i did external rad would that help too? then i could go as small as i want, and if it does leak because of a bump in the road, it would leak outside of the case. not near the cpu or gpu

speedbumps are easy tho

you just go slow lol

ig it depends on the driver but im not gonna be whipping it inside a box truck

[unkempt vine]

It might still leak inside the case, the inside will still have fittings that can leak

[burnt dune]

okay

[unkempt vine]

That is to say, the radiator is not the only component that can leak

[burnt dune]

so it does mitigate it a little

cause im p sure you just get the 1 external rad, and hook up the cpu and gpu to the same external rad

[unkempt vine]

But also, it shouldn't really be leaking in the first place
You should not be planning for a leak as that isn't something that should be happening

And yes you can do that, but the rad would have to be rather large

[burnt dune]

i feel like i could build it right. so the leaking isnt the plan there.

[unkempt vine]

Something like a MO-RA 360 or 420

[burnt dune]

im saying im planning for a leak because it could if its in a van

ive heard about the moras

[unkempt vine]

Elevated chance of leaking in a van due to movement, yeah

[burnt dune]

how can i further mitigate that. if at all

[unkempt vine]

Can't

[burnt dune]

i feel like it hanging on bungies would be fine tbh

[unkempt vine]

It would not be as watercooled systems do not like to be shaken

If you go over a small bump the system is going to continue to rock for a little bit before coming back to an equilibrium

[burnt dune]

is the chance of leaking so high that its too risky or is it so low that i should go for it

[unkempt vine]

I would not trust a PC full of water on a shaky desk, let alone in a moving van

If you are dying to water cool your CPU I would strongly recommend an AIO instead, and if you want to watercool your GPU, entirely don't bother because modern cards keep themselves cool as it is

[long oriole]

Dream is this your first pc your buillding?

[burnt dune]

oh well i had higher hopes since you said it was going to be a low chance of leaking

[burnt dune]

double aio is what we decided on

the issue with air cooled gpus is the size, liquid cooled 4090s are much smaller

[long oriole]

yeah thats best, custom loops can be quite expensive and for a first build its not a recommended thing to do

[burnt dune]

yeah im aware of that

[unkempt vine]

Pricing is not a worry for dream

[long oriole]

yeah but more money on the van is a better idea

[burnt dune]

doubtful tbh

the used car market is a sham.

at least with computers, i get what i pay for.

[unkempt vine]

A vertically mounted AIO 4090 would make the most sense in your case ngl
Least amount of weight on the PCIe slot, major heft of the card is shirked to the radiator which is attached to the case

[long oriole]

the vans where your gonna live, if i was doing this i would definetly put more money into the van so i have a better area and better transformation

[burnt dune]

also with the pc, it will be a better value. like im not saying pcs last longer than cars. and im not bringing up future proofing.

but the point with this pc is that it will be my only pc, unless i get into building specialized pcs in the future.

with the van, a lesser budget van is the play because i plan on getting a much better van in the future after this one. so just getting my foot in the door is preferred

[long oriole]

As i said before why not get a better van now

[burnt dune]

i dont have enough money for the better van

[long oriole]

cus then it will last longer, you wont have to do the transformation twice, it will be cleaner... etc

[burnt dune]

i can afford a 4k pc. or 1k on custom loop

i can't afford a 56k ford transit new

[long oriole]

how much will a used van be

and the transofrmation cost

[burnt dune]

so far used, is looking like its gonna be a lot.

the transformation cost is negligible

[long oriole]

what about the power transforming thing

[burnt dune]

not everyone is going to have to be some home depot builder to do this.

there are no build builds. and i can build it out as i go

so after i get the van. the conversion costs, should NOT be factored

[long oriole]

im not saying everyone has to be

[burnt dune]

conversion costs wont be an issue

[long oriole]

im just asking would it not be better to save for a bigger new van now and then you wouldnt have to buy it in the future it means you wouldnt have to pay the transformation cost twice, the power trannsformer thing twice, wouldnt have to pay to clean the van, wouldnt have to pay if theres parts broken etc

in the long term it would be a lot cheaper

[burnt dune]

i have stomached the resposibility of surviving it in the early stages. im not exactly looking into buying, a retractable awning or whatever, or a electrical rising bed frame or whatever, i can get all that stuff later. one at a time. i already have plenty of nice things in my apartment that will be going into the box truck etc

some of the things that i will get early on probably or that i will spend more money on is #1 an inverter

[long oriole]

not saying yo are gonna do that

[burnt dune]

#2 solar panels

cause like the inverter is really more or less apart of this build

[long oriole]

so your gonna buy a firs tvan and then buy an inveter, solar panels, and then more and whatever neccessary and then do that again when you have money to get a better van?

[burnt dune]

we are literally talking about a battlestation on wheels aside from it being a livable space. but when we talk about a livable space, that factors into your pc's cooling potential as well. especially with a liquid set up because of the efficient transfer of heat

because the airflow inside the van will affect the pc performance

and the value of the case itself

[long oriole]

ok?

im confused how this ties into what i was saying

[burnt dune]

i will probably need to get 2 windows for a cross breeze

1 intake and exhaust fan horizontal on the box truck etc

in each window

or maybe just 1 exhaust in the cieling.

or maybe i could do 2 cieling, 1 intake and 1 exhaust

for optimal ambient temp

im also interested in an ac

i know shuttle buses have acs, but ive seen people do much smaller

[long oriole]

ok so correct em if i missed anything

[burnt dune]

the inverter and solar panels, i can take with me between builds

[long oriole]

you want to buy a van, add two windows, an inverter, solar panels, an ac etc

[burnt dune]

not in that order.

[long oriole]

i didnt say the order

i said what you want

[burnt dune]

rn i just want to buy a van and pc

but honestly, i did more research, and im thinking of not going a shuttle bus.

most likely going to exclusively go for box trucks

[long oriole]

i havent asked this before but why do you not want to get a mortage on a house?

[burnt dune]

no

(absolutely not)

[long oriole]

why

whats the reasoning

[burnt dune]

even if i had the money, i wouldnt want to be stuck in one place, after realizing the potential of what could be

also, i dont want to pay for rent

and afaik a mortgage is basically the same thing

[long oriole]

yes but afterwards u own the property

[burnt dune]

yeah but like after 20 years

[long oriole]

and therefore when u can sell it for more then u bought it uve theoretically earned money

[burnt dune]

im not doing that. shit is for the birds

[long oriole]

it depends on how much the property was and your earnings

huh

what do u mean by "shit is for the birds"

[burnt dune]

its the same thing with van conversions

[long oriole]

will a van go up in price over the years

[burnt dune]

i p much plan on never getting a house

people are flipping van conversions, so idk what your point is

[long oriole]

over the years

flipping is different

houses earn price the longer you own it

[burnt dune]

the only reason i would get a house or some otherwise cheap property would be so that i could live in my box truck and rent out the apartment

or house or whatever,

live rent free, and collect rent lmao

[burnt dune]

yeah ik and cars dont but this is straight up not the same. yeah some of the conversion depreciates but uhh idk have you seen the market?

both of my cars doubled in price from when i bought them

[long oriole]

doubled in price new or double in price used

[burnt dune]

used

but honestly that doesnt really count either.

[long oriole]

what cars are they

[burnt dune]

it will still depreciate

[long oriole]

over time the van will need replacement parts more, it will rust and etc, it will gain mileage and more, it will slowly but surely go down in price over the years

yes or no?

[burnt dune]

sort of

like that just assumes you never get maintenance done

[long oriole]

i understand you can do it to make money by flipping it

[burnt dune]

im saying that when i go to build 2, build 1 will have more resale value

[long oriole]

im going to be honest, that is an option but its not definite

[burnt dune]

some of the resale value will be cut into from the normal depreciation that is always happening with cars

[long oriole]

its dependent on what you have done and what the condition is

[burnt dune]

yeah ik

obviously if you just throw up some curtains it wont

[long oriole]

everything that is bought slowly loses value over the years?

well most things do

[burnt pumice]

Shouldn't you be building your pc by now ?

[long oriole]

lemme do some research rq brb

[burnt dune]

enthos is the one who wanted to talk about all this

[long oriole]

hes not on about that 🤦‍♂️

[burnt dune]

if i could reasonably get into my build 2 vehicle sooner rather than later. i would

but idek how

[long oriole]

theres this property ive seen that in 2015 was worth 90k, if u payed 45k down and mortage over time you would have payed a full 90k, the house is now worth 358k... thats a lot more money. jesus i only just realised how worth it that is myself 😭

save more money

rent an apartment

until you can afford a new van

it might be worse for a bit longer but when you get the van it will be better

[burnt dune]

im already renting an apartment lmao

im leaving the apartment so i can save more

but should i save more a buy it outright? or should i just finance it now?

[long oriole]

where u gonna live

[burnt dune]

anywhere, but probably new york

[long oriole]

i mean as in

[burnt dune]

right now, toledo ohio

[long oriole]

where are u gonna live now ur leaving the apartment

and i would buy it outright

u own the van and therefore can do what u want with it, furthermore u dont have to worry about buying a new van anytime soon

[burnt dune]

im either gonna move in with a friend or buy this used box truck and live in the box truck

[long oriole]

i would move in with a friend and save until you can buy a new van

[burnt dune]

yeah i cant buy the van outright

but maybe i can in the future after living and doing vanlife for a couple years

cause i would want, my 2nd build, to be my last or something.

i would want to get the longest ford transit or promaster. the newest one. and the tallest one. and then im happy.

[long oriole]

hmm

why cant u sacrifice another year or two meaning you can get ur new van straight away

1 van for your first and last build

[burnt dune]

itd be nice, but idk if i would have enough in 2 years tbh

and definitely not, if im paying rent on top of that

[dense shale]

This is not #build-a-van dream it #1106613567966429224

[burnt dune]

i was just replying to people

[covert gorge]

lol, some are aluminium, some are steel dude

[covert gorge]

not in a mouse no, but in a van it can be, so the build will be done with that in mind, due to space constraints in comparison

[covert gorge]

this will directly transfer any bounces/g-forces directly into the case, and in regards to a van the worst place to put the pc is off the ceiling

[covert gorge]

the only viable ones would be those for engine mounts/exhaust mounts as they go down to a inch and a half diameter or around 38mm, still it's minimal absorbency

[covert gorge]

don't custom loop at all, best way to mitigate it tbh

[covert gorge]

bungies would be the worst to do, due to how easy they stretch, you'd be turning that pc into a bouncing wrecking ball by doing that

[covert gorge]

which for a itx build, the p200 wins as she could do that with it

[covert gorge]

when converting a van out, you would want 2 windows at least just for the extra light alone to come inside so you don't have to use any lights you've fitted in all the time, you would want 1-2 fans on the ceiling for airflow inside that van as they'll draw any hot air out/ help regulate the temps inside the van

[covert gorge]

ideally any build you do for a pc, it's never going to be worth it to getting a gen 5 drive

nor is any optane drives

[cloud totem]

youre acting like it matters unless you punch it

[covert gorge]

nah dude, magnetic filters wouldn't stick to any aluminium cases

[cloud totem]

thats so niche

[covert gorge]

quickest way to tell what it's made of tbf

[burnt dune]

black friday today at walmart.

[unkempt vine]

I can strongly recommend against a hard drive for any application that involves moving

[covert gorge]

i second that

[timber granite]

Agreed

[burnt grove]

I use them for storing torrents but thats about it if you have massive files that regularly move do not buy one

But mine are also used of ebay storing none important files i've got tb drives for like $10 lol

[covert gorge]

yeah but you're not in a vehicle moving it around alot, nor are you moving the pc around alot at home

[burnt grove]

Is her pc gonna be on while she’s driving?

[cloud totem]

i dont see why not

[burnt grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1053367125038858400.webp?size=48&name=what~2&quality=lossless

Wellll in that case ssd mass storage is still quiet expensive so gl

[covert gorge]

doesn't need to be, while in motion vibrations can still be transferred into the pc and therefor into the hdd itself

[long oriole]

omg i just realise

#cars

that might be a better chat for talking about this

[burnt epoch]

“They won’t help”

[long oriole]

yeah but its a chat for cars...

it makes a lot more sense than a pc chat

[burnt dune]

im not getting one. but is this a good deal

[burnt grove]

It’s an okay deal

[winged kite]

i second that, this should definitely go in #cars

[burnt epoch]

she apparently went into a vanlife server and she says nobody helped at all

[long oriole]

I have been summoned

if no ones helping the vanlife and they are helping here i am very surprised

more people helping in a pc discord then a dedicated vanlfie discord

[burnt epoch]

thats what im sayin

[winged kite]

probably bc the vanlife people realize its completely unachievable and unrealistic

[burnt dune]

what does it go for usually

[burnt dune]

yeah it had 1000 members and they were awful

[burnt dune]

i only replied to you about the van i was getting because i was talking about the ambient temp for the case

[burnt epoch]

....still a pc server is not the place for van shopping were here to help build the pc

[burnt dune]

i havent been talking about my van

[timber granite]

We should be talking about the pc

[long oriole]

whatr case?

[burnt dune]

i have a list of cases im looking at

im using gamer nexus to find a good modern case that has the best airflow in benchmarks

[long oriole]

what about ur opinion on how it looks

and their are also old cases that are still good

[covert gorge]

aesthetics are a low priority to her

[long oriole]

bruh

i would care about aesthetics if i ssee it everyday

[covert gorge]

i wouldn't cosidering you see the screen all day not the insides of the case

[long oriole]

im on about the exterior

[covert gorge]

simply put mesh fronted, and able to take what she wants in it

[burnt dune]

probably just gonna spray paint it pink

[dense shale]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-spit-take-cracking-up-haha-so-funny-omg-gif-17921247

https://tenor.com/view/muzeke-gif-27066381

[long oriole]

Ayo where the chat gone?

[timber granite]

To dreamland with dream

[long oriole]

💀

whats dreamland

[timber granite]

lol idk

[long oriole]

case when

[timber granite]

≈2025

disclaimer: I have no idea if this is true

[long oriole]

Ahhh ok

[burnt grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1077959466168897546.webp?size=48&name=1597_Obamasweat&quality=lossless

[dense shale]

Lmao

[timber granite]

Or else dream gave it a day off

[burnt dune]

yeah im working on moving out and finding a vanlife vehicle and staying out of here. i could get the pc in time for black friday, but thats no biggie.

im honestly just freaking out about my living situation lmao

ive never moved by myself before. and i have money so im fine, i just dont want to sign another 1 year lease.

cause that will hurt me a little financially

[winged kite]

vanlife is just homelessness with extra steps

[dense shale]

Lol

[long oriole]

Bruh

[timber granite]

vanlife should be when you have a comfortable house and could easily drop 40k on a purchase. not when youre spending your life savings on something you have never done before and know very little about

[burnt grove]

Wellll

Maybe not the greatest idea but it is what it is

Hopefully she has a full proof way of making money while in the van

[timber granite]

Dogecoin -_-

[dense shale]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-spit-take-cracking-up-haha-so-funny-omg-gif-17921247

[burnt grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1053367125038858400.webp?size=48&name=what~2&quality=lossless

Crypto is Generally not the best investment unless you know how to predict when and how bad it’s gonna bottom out like it always does

[timber granite]

And then, you can go win the lottery. Oh, and on your way to get the lottery ticket, you can get struck by lightning. Twice

[burnt grove]

What lol

[timber granite]

The chances of predicting crypto

[burnt grove]

Well yea kinda what I was alluding to. social media can influence crypto stock. It has in the past. Exactly why it’s generally not a good investment. It’s not really worth anything cause it’s not a physical asset.

Yea you can make money on it. But just not worth the risk if your investing big money

[burnt dune]

i literally work at walmart lmao

im not worried about getting a van

[burnt dune]

you dont get it at all

i literally am in the top 1% of dogecoin investors

and its not even my only asset

i used to have 20+ people following my discord posts on the main dogecoin server and they told me that they mostly just used my discord as their DD.

that i was their go to

dropping 40k on vanlife isnt even what vanlife is about lmao

i just want something walkable

[burnt dune]

its not even that hard lmao 😭 i can literally teach you. i already have on this server

[carmine sphinx]

Makes sense. A goldfish can trade stocks and make more money than experienced stock brokers

[safe pine]

And those are for CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays, floppies

[long oriole]

What the flip

It's dogecoin 💀

[burnt pumice]

top 1% of 100 people doesnt mean a lot lol

[long oriole]

I'm top 1 of 1

[burnt dune]

its not 100 people lmao

[carmine sphinx]

No ones investing in doge coin dream

[burnt dune]

1% of 100 would mean you were #1 lmao

[burnt dune]

everyone was wdym?

[burnt dune]

and todays price doesnt matter lmao

[carmine sphinx]

Exactly “was”

[burnt dune]

yeah but they are still in. and im still up

im also in really low

[burnt grove]

Well, not to be pessimistic but I don’t see doge coin being a great investment in the future. It seems bitcoin influences the price of all other crypto to some degree. And I’ve seen bitcoin price fall from simple something tweeted on twitter before so. In general you gotta either hold onto it for along time or be prepared to take a loss

[timber granite]

Amazing. Trusting a random ass discord user for investment advice into a meme crypto.

[covert gorge]

isn't doge coin that one linked to the 'paul' brothers that caused a massive losst to a fuck ton of people?

[scenic tulip]

wasnt that cryptozoo

[burnt grove]

And nfts

[burnt dune]

this whole conversation is making me cringe so hard

[burnt grove]

Which are incredibly stupid

[burnt grove]

Your cringing is making me cringe

[burnt dune]

obviously i was predominantly doing TA on btc

its just giving, entry level. and i cant.

i dont need help with investing lmao

[feral vessel]

this whole thread is making me cringe so hard

[burnt dune]

except my call outs were right. and i accurately predicted it.

chat history is all there too

[burnt dune]

i did nothing to you eva. leave me tf alone. jfc

[scenic tulip]

mood

[burnt dune]

🙄

why you 2

and why me

like ffs

[scenic tulip]

i like spending time doing absolutely nothing

[burnt dune]

im not even doing anything wrong. all i said, was that i have a bunch of money from crypto. it was a decision i made years ago. its too late now 🤷‍♀️

people are like. oh yeah its dead now. or its at 8 cents now. like what? lmao

none of that even matters to me

i already have my money

[scenic tulip]

i want to make money off of crypto so i can buy blahaj's

[burnt dune]

well, dont listen to these guys on crypto is all im saying. lmao

crypto is easier than stocks tho cause you can trade as much as you want.

when i first started i got anxiety at night tho. cause i wasnt used to the volatility

you would wake up, and suddenly you made $2000 from doing nothing.

or fall back asleep and lose a couple hundred.

that happens to me all the time now, and i feel nothing. its normal.

im also up massively more than i was when i got lucky

just from the long term investing. and the buy and buy more strategy

nfts are mostly ass tho afaik. unless you can actually make money from it. i have never tried.

[scenic tulip]

nft was just a weird thing

[burnt dune]

i think nfts are kind of dumb. but if you can make money off it. then 👍

it basically doesnt matter if you are making money

[scenic tulip]

its prolly dead i dont look into it

[burnt grove]

That’s probably the most cringe shit I’ve ever heard anyone say

[covert gorge]

nft's are for those that can bullshit people into believing they're getting a 1 off computer generated image

[burnt grove]

It’s giving lol. Wtf

[scenic tulip]

control c control v moment

[burnt grove]

There’s a waste of money anyone stupid enough to invest in them deserves to lose money

[covert gorge]

quite literally that tbh

[scenic tulip]

lmao

[feral vessel]

it's like a pyramid scheme

better to cash out early and reap all the benefits

last thing you want is to be holding the bag

[burnt grove]

Pyramid schemes get people thrown in jail tho. Nfts don’t really the only difference tho

[burnt dune]

i would rather invest in owning real paintings. cause you can have shares in fine art instead.

[feral vessel]

don't fud me nft bro, my project is to the moon

[scenic tulip]

me asf

[feral vessel]

We're gonna have our nfts procreate with eachother and create little nft cretins

[scenic tulip]

procreate with the nft's because they cant

[feral vessel]

then we can battle them out like pokemon, bonus points if they're incest

[scenic tulip]

ppft

[feral vessel]

+42% chromosome damage

[burnt dune]

me everyday

[burnt grove]

Imagine going to court over NFTs “he stole my computer generated image”

[scenic tulip]

me reading this chat

[burnt grove]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-8274157336207414169

[feral vessel]

next year

I'm going to put away 100GBP and put it on bitcoin

see what happens

yeah bro it's to the moon

[burnt dune]

i did the same thing, except with $3000

[feral vessel]

I literally just purchased a handbag

[burnt dune]

are you in the uk

[feral vessel]

so

yeah

[burnt dune]

are you over 18

[scenic tulip]

canonically iono is over 400000 years old

/s

[burnt dune]

lmao

is iono in the uk

[scenic tulip]

iono exists in the void

[burnt dune]

lmao

[scenic tulip]

but yes

[feral vessel]

L, real dream wouldn't ask this

[scenic tulip]

LMAO

[burnt dune]

i hate dream lmao

mf took my name

when i become a youtuber people are gonna be like. we already have a dream. change your name. and im gonna say fuck no

[feral vessel]

THATS WHAT THE MASK ISSS 🗣️ 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[burnt dune]

LMAO

dream lowkey being a 🥚 would be insane

[burnt dune]

LMAO

ugly ass mf

[feral vessel]

you know if he didn't do a face reveal in a weird angle

it would acc be less worse than this

[burnt dune]

its giving

[scenic tulip]

meh

[scenic tulip]

this is the demon that keeps me up at night

[burnt dune]

lmao i heard he met gumball and that gumball fucking sucks

[scenic tulip]

that was funny

i didnt read into it much

i think gumball was intoxicated and on something and he started yapping about how he is better than dream

[burnt dune]

he's basically homophobic lmao

[scenic tulip]

o

[burnt dune]

which is bad, cause if he cant even get that right.

then yknow

[feral vessel]

meh

they're drunk they get a pass

[burnt dune]

LOL

[feral vessel]

I've said and done much worse things drunk

[burnt dune]

nahh ive been drunk and it doesnt impair you like that

[scenic tulip]

confirmed

[feral vessel]

who said alchol is the only thing impairing you

[burnt dune]

WORSE HOW

[scenic tulip]

i think gumball was high and drunk lmao

[burnt dune]

thats nothing tho.

[scenic tulip]

2x status effect

[burnt dune]

lmao

[scenic tulip]

idk how it works i dont drink or do stuff like that

[covert gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-were-drunk-hungover-what-happened-last-night-antics-pirates-of-the-caribbean-on-stranger-tides-gif-16911545

[burnt dune]

lmao

[scenic tulip]

lmao

[burnt dune]

classic

[covert gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-movies-quotes-potc-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-14851127

[feral vessel]

things i've done while drunk are but not limited to:

Instigate a fight

get into a fight

make 2 people fight

get someone arrested

[covert gorge]

see that's getting a buff and a debuff at once

[feral vessel]

throw someone a pint

[burnt dune]

see thats okay tho so far

[scenic tulip]

cancels it out

[feral vessel]

splash someone with guiness making them smell like shit

go on a long rant why people should collectively choose to die

[burnt dune]

as long as its not saying the n word or something like that.

[feral vessel]

and other things that would get me banned here

I used to be heavy drunker

[burnt dune]

YES

[covert gorge]

alcohol gives a +20 to evasion rate, being high gives you a - 20 to crit

[scenic tulip]

damn so its like eating something cold and then having something spicy

[burnt dune]

so prolly not under 18

[covert gorge]

yup

[feral vessel]

alcohol gives you +20% confidence

combined with another white thing, it gives you + 200% confidence

[scenic tulip]

and then having another thing inside of that gives u near death

[covert gorge]

no, that's a +50 to ego not confidence

[feral vessel]

I'll slap box u in front of the hoes

[scenic tulip]

damn

russian slapping tornament

[feral vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slaping-knock-out-gif-18997150

[scenic tulip]

gone

[timber granite]

What in the fuck just happened

When is this thread going to get back to the PC

[scenic tulip]

never

there is no easter bunny

there is no tooth fairy

and there isnt a pc build

[burnt dune]

it can be now

i keep all my cars stuff inside #cars

[scenic tulip]

i wonder how the build is actually going on

have we picked any parts at all

[burnt dune]

im mostly just looking at cases, but im busy today and tomorrow. the goal is to be moved out by thee 1st

[scenic tulip]

fair

[burnt dune]

yeah. its mostly done.

[scenic tulip]

the first of december or jan

because its like the 29th of november

[burnt dune]

dec

i might have gotten an extension

[scenic tulip]

have u ordered anything

bcos yknow 1st of dec is like

in 2 days

[burnt grove]

You stopped? What a shame

[burnt dune]

not yet. i missed the black friday.

[scenic tulip]

f

[winged kite]

why should we listen to your financial advice, youre the one whos basically homeless and wasting their money on a pc rather than an apartment

[scenic tulip]

i have a headache 😭

[winged kite]

iono is trans? W

[scenic tulip]

im a girlie girl :3

[winged kite]

slayy

[burnt dune]

im not homeless

im choosing to leave my apartment

[long oriole]

So ur choosing to be

[burnt dune]

im choosing to be rent free. im not going to be homeless

even after i get the van

[ruby bane]

UwU

Choosing to live in a van and being forced to live in a van are very different

[burnt dune]

👆

[long oriole]

Never said she was

[burnt dune]

yaboi was

[snow niche]

This pc isn’t built yet

Ight ima check on new years

[burnt dune]

im actually marking it as solved for now

[winged kite]

https://tenor.com/view/poggers-gif-25566374

[burnt pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1152557550978482278/1164416320729796668/attachment-2.gif?ex=65432234&is=6530ad34&hm=3d3dc4783e9a0745ea8f48fbfbbd1b889167e81d19413d3a3c5abf1f0d4bc884&

[feral vessel]

see you in part 7

[burnt epoch]

has form factor been decided yet?

[timber granite]

I wish, but that would “get rid of too many options”

[burnt epoch]

meanwhile you cant build a pc without knowing a form factor:

[burnt dune]

i wanted to pick form factor, i just needed to see the opportunity cost of what i would lose out on by choosing one over the other

itx has been difficult to work with, and the atx case options are abundant

[burnt epoch]

But atx in a van is not smart

I still recommend just a gaming laptop or a itx pc with like 7700x and 4070

[covert gorge]

matx instead of itx

you can pay up to double an matx setup if you go itx

[burnt epoch]

Good point

[timber granite]

All AMD because they’re better rn (except for rt)

[burnt epoch]

I thought she does rendering?

If not then 100% go amd

[timber granite]

Maybe

[burnt grove]

with current 4090 prices it would be nuts to even consider it

unless you just have money burning a hole in your pocket

[timber granite]

(and she doesn’t)

[burnt epoch]

what do you mean? I find the price reasonable $2000 for something that gives 0.4 more fps than something for $1000

But nah right now team red all the way

Basically any 40 series card is stupid to buy

[timber granite]

AMD is winning everywhere rn. Gaming, hedt (threadripper), and server. And they’re winning in terms of price to performance for gpus

[burnt epoch]

Fr

In all of them even hedt amd is slamming all the competition

Tr 7000 is sick

[timber granite]

It’s too expensive though

[burnt epoch]

Yeah I think that will come down in the next couple months

And ryzen 7000 is just wild

The best gaming cpu on the planet rn sells for $380

(7800x3d)

When the one before (13900k) is $600

[timber granite]

bUT i LIkE iNteL aNd amD is bUgGY

XD

[dusty imp]

Based /j

[burnt epoch]

I kNoW RiGhT?

Amd dRiVeRz SuCk tHo

[timber granite]

(Like 6 years ago)

[burnt epoch]

Nah 6 years ago they were good more like 10 years ago

[timber granite]

lol

Actually no reason to go intel for gaming

[burnt epoch]

(Unpopular opinion warning) no reason to go intel.

14th Gen is literally just overclocked 13th gen

[timber granite]

14th gen is ass

[burnt epoch]

im a amd shill confirmed?????

[timber granite]

Even the 14700 (which got like 2 efficiency cores or something) is ass

AMD made 3D vcache and that was intel’s response…..

“Let’s release 13th gen again but call it 14th gen”

[burnt epoch]

Like the week after its release you hear nothing about it when 13th Gen had people talking about how good it was for months

[timber granite]

If only they called it 13X50 instead :/

[burnt epoch]

“Yes amazing idea Mr Intel ceo we will also charge more then let’s promote arc where people can waste money on a paper weight”

[burnt epoch]

Yeah then it would have been semi acceptable

[timber granite]

Arc is not a paperweight anymore. It’s gotten so much better

Rip intel 🪦

[burnt epoch]

Rn best value combo: 14900k and 4090

[timber granite]

A 7800x3D and a 7900xtx can be had for like $2000 (including the rest of the pc obviously)

[burnt epoch]

One thing that angers me so much is when YouTubers say they are doing “amd challenge” like people it’s not a challenge it’s great I’ve been all amd for around 6 months now and ain’t regretted it

[timber granite]

Oh yes :D
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8QrVmD

[timber granite]

Yeah, AMD has come a long way. Intel sat too long on their win, and AMD took them by surprise with ryzen 3000, and they had to scramble to “get better” and 11th gen was born XD

[burnt epoch]

Then ryzen 5000 came in and literally just kicked the legs out from under Intel

[covert gorge]

every build of mine has been all amd tbf

[covert gorge]

intel was sued by amd tbh a long while back

[timber granite]

Really?

What for

[covert gorge]

yeah, it boils down to anti-compete laws breaking

[timber granite]

And 12th gen was when intel switched from a cpu manufacturer to a space heater manufacturer (that just happens to function as a cpu)

[covert gorge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices,_Inc._v._Intel_Corp. wiki article of it

https://www.amd.com/en/legal/notices/antitrust-ruling.html

it cost intel a hefty 1.25 billion dollars

[timber granite]

Wow. That’s really interesting

[ruby bane]

Only thing they aren’t winning in is rt and workstation

[burnt epoch]

they arent winning workstaition? what are you talking about

they are dominating workstaition with threadripper pro

[ruby bane]

Meant with their gpus

[timber granite]

i always forget FirePro tbh

quadro (or whatever the hell nvidia calls it now) is so much more prominent

[ruby bane]

Now it’s just Radeon pro

[timber granite]

lol....proving my point. i have no clue about amds workstation gpus

[burnt grove]

Yea AMD has really pulled out infront which is good. Let’s hope it pays off and they explode in market share but continue to over the better buy for products

Maybe by 9000 series gpus they’ll be on par with nvidia in performance overall

[ruby bane]

if rumors are to be believed then high end radeon 8000 could beat nvidia

[carmine sphinx]

If rumours are to be believed then high end radeon 8000 might not exist

[unkempt vine]

Yeah it'll be called 9000 instead

lol

[burnt dune]

i will address the 4090 prices. i mostly dont care, if anything ill just get the matrix.

[burnt pumice]

been doing it for 5 years now i think ?

[burnt grove]

Buying a $3200 card with negligible gains in performance at stock settings

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

[burnt dune]

idk the gains are a pretty large jump from the suprim liquid x

and if the suprim liquid x is $2500 now, i dont really see a point in not going the matrix at that point

i also love how the matrix looks

if the entire 4090 market went up and the matrix didnt go up, that means the matrix is on essentially on discount. that's girl math for ya.

i think suprim liquid x is like 60-62 C ish

matrix is like 50 C lmao

it's hands down the best card for the worst price.

i waited too long tho, i didnt really know things like this happen, i thought the china stuff happened already i didnt think it would happen again

but yeah its kind of funny, everyone was mad about me getting a $1700 gpu and now it's literally like $2600

if i got the gpu, i would have made money

i had thought about buying some parts before hand, but i was trying to wait til black friday. but black friday just didnt happen for the 4090 lmao

i was also extremely busy in november

im also, probably for sure getting the van at this point first. so ive been in #cars working on that

idk how long it takes new gpus to come out usually really

the 7900 xtx is still amazing, maybe ill just go that lol and its like $900

[burnt dune]

so basically, yes. lol

but it all heavily depends on the vehicle i choose.

im basically working it out and i can afford to finance the ford E-transit. but if i do that, i dont think ill be able to get the pc or at least not for a bit.
or i could just go get this used box truck for like $3000, and then it's basically not a problem at all.

[burnt grove]

I haven’t it an it’s Defo a no compromises gpu if you’re okay with meh raytracing performance

[burnt dune]

im kind of meh on the RT

[burnt grove]

Maybe yea

[burnt dune]

how are the tensor cores

[burnt grove]

It doesn’t have tensor

[burnt dune]

oof

[burnt grove]

That’s an nvidia only hardware

[burnt dune]

5090 isnt until like 2025

[burnt grove]

That’ll probably be 3500 tbh

The 7900 xtx is a very worth while gpu for the price point. If the 4080 had more vram I woulda considered it but eh