or i could go for this
#looking for a relatively small case
burnt grove
Hey at least if van live doesn’t work you can go into business delivering bread
burnt dune
lmao
burnt grove
Steering box has a leak so you’d either need to replace that or keep and eye on it and keep toping it off with gear box oil
burnt dune
burnt grove
Not a huge deal just don’t wanna run it dry
Seems to be in good shape
Ask for some detailed pictures of the engine bay and under carriage if possible
burnt dune
yeah like not too bad
burnt grove
Seems crazy cheap so I’m afraid there may be more then it’s the gear box leaking
burnt dune
probably a little bit more but honestly some of these things are just cheaper than people think
its cheap cause no one really wants to live in a box truck lmao
a ford transit isnt cheap cause vanlife hypno
burnt grove
Yea but hotshot truck drivers would buy one to start a moving business with
I’d rather find an old school bus tbh
burnt dune
yeah
burnt grove
Only thing is with a school buss you’ll need a CDL license because of air brakes
burnt grove
Yesss but. They’re diesel, very reliable, and typically manual so no transmission problems
burnt dune
i kind of dont want diesel
burnt grove
i also, dont know how to get a CDL
Ahh damn
burnt dune
truth is im gonna be living in the city
burnt grove
That gas e350 will get god awful mileage btw
burnt dune
so not, traveling the country, living in campsites sort of thing
burnt dune
Why not just buy a used camper then?
ugly, less room, and honestly usually worse shape
but like i applaud you to help me look
burnt grove
Hmmmm. It’s gonna be a tough find maybe but that e350 doesn’t sound bad depending on if it has more underlying issues or not
burnt dune
and then change your area to toledo ohio cause then you will see what i see
you dont need a facebook
burnt grove
I can’t really look rn I’m at work
burnt dune
and you dont need to sign in
burnt grove
Sorry
burnt dune
oh thats okay
burnt grove
That e350 seems very solid I’d ask for more detailed pictures of the under carriage and engine bay. And ask if they have any service history records
burnt dune
but yeah also campers and RVs are more expensive too. which i have the money for, but i really dont want to spend a lot here, cause like
they are ALL shitty
burnt grove
Ahhh understandable. Well you’re on the right track then. Box truck are a good platform to live out of cause don’t they space I’d just search a bit more or wait a few more weeks. Cause at least with my luck I always end up buying something to then only find a muchhh better deal a few weeks later and then I’m depressed 😂😂
Also gotta factor in the price to renovate. Yano. Insulation, HVAC, bathroom, kitchen, etc..
burnt dune
i would love to throw more weeks of search at this but my lease is up Nov 30th
and itd be ideal to start being rent free now
burnt grove
oof
burnt dune
i dont think i will ever go back to normal living tbh
burnt grove
Well you could take a shot in the dark and buy something like that e350 but just expect to have to spend money on fixing stuff it’s always a possibility
burnt dune
Ahhh understandable. Well you’re on the right track then. Box truck are a good p...
yeah the fomo happens to all of us
burnt dune
Also gotta factor in the price to renovate. Yano. Insulation, HVAC, bathroom, ki...
yeah so all of that, will come in waves
it wont be up front.
cause i like to do my research, there is no way im gonna learn how to build a shower and a bathroom and a kitchen in one week
ill be completely okay starting out with just a bed and a box
might not even do a bed tbh
might just do a tatami matt cause they are perfectly comfy to me
burnt dune
yeah i will probably try
but every 2 weeks i get $1000+ so i can easily just throw the entire paycheck towards buying stuff for the van. and $1000 will go a long way
after that, i can save up for the big real vanlife vehicle
like the influencer vehicle lmao
i could forebode all of this and live out of my cars
but i just feel like thats impossible for me.
cause like i need a mirror to get ready every day
burnt grove
If you lived in a car the pc woulda be sorta inconvenient
burnt dune
yeah
that too
car doesnt work for me
id rather have a car or motorcycle on the side
like i could get a toyota prius and just drive that to work
or just be parked at my job before work starts
covert gorge
this you had in your list already, i already declared it a no
rdna3 = rx 7000 series raden cards by amd, also 7#0m igpu's on amd's mobile cpu's
nope what he circled is the sub chassis/ sub frame, and if it's as rough as it looks, it's a massive avoid in your case
burnt dune
what do you do if it has no title?
covert gorge
it's the back box just before the tail of the exhaust pipe
depends on the engine
send the link to this specific one
burnt grove
depends on the engine
No lol
Any car that’s straight piped is gonna be obviously loud
Trust me Honda civics that are straight piped are crazy obnoxious and they’re 4 cylinders
covert gorge
Any car that’s straight piped is gonna be obviously loud
there are some that sound better as a straight pipe
i.e. straight 6's
sometimes you want the roar and not a purr form the engine
burnt grove
Well yea but still straight piped would be obnoxious for daily use haha
You’d want at least a resonator to lessen the screeching
covert gorge
though with a truck/van you'd want it as quiet as possible
though any truck/van is going to also have not great mpg
burnt dune
send the link to this specific one
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/274895991709659
this looks to be in better condition than what that shuttle/school bus one
burnt grove
Yea most of these are V8 so they’re gonna get awful gas mileage anyway
burnt dune
all vanlife vehicles do
burnt grove
Maybe 13mpg average lol
burnt dune
is there anyway around that?
burnt dune
if the make is ford and the model is econoline then what is the 350 part?
cause ive seen 450
and 250
and 150
burnt grove
Just the size of the chassis/ engine combo
burnt dune
yeah but like is there a name for it
like "version" or something
cause it cant be model
burnt grove
150 is is a full size truck. 250 is a half ton, 350 is a ton, 450 is a 1.5 ton etc
burnt grove
Nah the version is just e350 I suppose don’t think theirs a specific version cause it’s a commercial vehicle
burnt dune
could you switch out the engine to get a better mpg?
burnt grove
Not really a vehicle just anyone would buy
burnt dune
so it would be "version" then
burnt grove
could you switch out the engine to get a better mpg?
Maybe but if it’s not meant for that vehicle like another option that can go in it from factory then you’re gonna run into a lot of money fabricating stuff for it to work properly
burnt dune
so the engine determines the fuel economy?
burnt grove
Considering it’s a e350 you probably have 2 options. Big gas engine or big diesel engine
Diesel will typically get more mpg becauseeee. They have more power and torque so they don’t have to strain as hard pulling the same amount of weight but then diesel is about a dollar more on average compared to gas in the US
burnt grove
so the engine determines the fuel economy?
Engine and weight of the vehicle
Aerodynamics sorta also but with a box truck the aerodynamics are garbage in general so
burnt dune
ik weight will hold the fuel economy back, so heavier is a negative modifier
burnt dune
Aerodynamics sorta also but with a box truck the aerodynamics are garbage in gen...
oh this is a good thing to bring up too
burnt grove
Yup but just running around a city aerodynamics won’t matter
Highway driving is where it’ll come into play
burnt dune
right okayh
burnt grove
Higher speeds in general that is
burnt grove
Yea that’s a crazy deal. But like I mentioned before. Be prepared to possibly spend a chunk of money in any issues that could come up with the vehicle
How many miles does it have
burnt dune
172k
oh yeah that one is rusted thru
i think the frame tho is surface only tho
theres this one
burnt pumice
how is this still going
covert gorge
Maybe but if it’s not meant for that vehicle like another option that can go in ...
tbf it's a rebuild of the harness, ecu swap, and transmission swap to go with the engine afaik
burnt dune
burnt grove
Well there’s more to it then that but yea
burnt dune
what about this
covert gorge
oh yeah that one is rusted thru
this shows it's at the scale rust stage with some of it close to being penetration rust
covert gorge
Engine mounts fabrication etc
tbf, that's usually the easiest bit of an engine swap
the amount of sensors you have on an engine nowadays can give a person a headache for doing an engine swap
that and the ecu reprogram
burnt grove
Well if the engine comes from a different vehicles it wouldn’t just be as simple as a ecu reprogram
If the engine is made for the vehicle but just a different engine option that’s the only feasible option
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1049919609749935/?ref=category_feed&re...
this looks good on the surface but no undercarriage shots so makes me wonder what's being hidden
burnt dune
yeah same
its old but its a church bus
and ik that church buses are basically the best ones to get. since they didnt actually drive much
but were used at least once a week usually
up to a certain year
covert gorge
and ik that church buses are basically the best ones to get. since they didnt ac...
doesn't mean it hasn't sat around a lot which can be an issue
burnt grove
Guess it just depends on the church
burnt dune
yeah it probably did sit too
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1138231883822235?ref=search&referral_c...
this i don't trust tbh
burnt dune
covert gorge
personally one of the ones i linked way earlier @ 4k usd would be a better option
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/212089694750794/?ref=search&referral_c...
in your case, this needs a whole new reskin, be it aluminium or fibreglass
it is way more work than you'd want tbh for your intended purposes
burnt dune
in your case, this needs a whole new reskin, be it aluminium or fibreglass
so i couldnt do wood?
these are the only ones i could find unfortunately
the others were UK only
covert gorge
so i couldnt do wood?
not if you wanted it to stay watertight without constant maintenance and cracking to drying out
covert gorge
these are the only ones i could find unfortunately
these are the 2 i mean
the 7,500 one looks well maintained and the compartment over the cab would make an ideal spot for a bed to be put up
you got about 3-4ft there of an overhang over the cab
burnt dune
why do some have 2D and 3D at the end of their name?
covert gorge
not sure of that
burnt dune
the 7,500 one looks well maintained and the compartment over the cab would make ...
i prefer the ones with a compartment over the cab.
im guessing the "cab" is the driver seat and passenger seat part?
burnt dune
these are the 2 i mean
i added these to my list, they are honestly perfect but a little too much for what i want to pay for tbh
covert gorge
i prefer the ones with a compartment over the cab.
im guessing the "cab" is the...
yup
burnt dune
if they could come down to like 3-4k i would probably jump on it
timber granite
That’s not the same mirror
A mirror to see yourself vs a mirror to see the road behind you?
Not even remotely close
You can’t see much with that one, and it wouldn’t be enough for a vehicle you live in
I’m not going to argue about something as stupid as this
Your head is not the only thing you need to look at
The rest of your body?
What else
covert gorge
link?
timber granite
I’m done. You clearly just want to argue
burnt dune
this is a new one.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3235047716802272/?mibextid=dXMIcH
covert gorge
this is a new one.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3235047716802272/?m...
this initially looks ok, some signs of surface rust on the rear doors wich as it has a lockable side door, i'd get someone to permanently weld it shut on the rear
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1035114394597487/?mibextid=dXMIcH
this on the other hand, big no
500k on the clock + needs 2 new injectors
burnt dune
this initially looks ok, some signs of surface rust on the rear doors wich as it...
how much does that cost
burnt dune
500k on the clock + needs 2 new injectors
what are injectors?
covert gorge
what are injectors?
they deliver fuel into the engine via fuel line and pump in a mist like form
covert gorge
how much does that cost
for the welding, whatever someone will charge you to do it
burnt dune
i meant like a can i take it to a mechanic thing
covert gorge
you would need to for the one that needs injectors replacing, as for the welding, if a mechanic can weld sure, though you can search for a mobile welder to do it for you
burnt dune
you would need to for the one that needs injectors replacing, as for the welding...
so mobile welders are specialists? not mechanics
long oriole
yes
burnt dune
or maybe i should just go for a new vehicle now and finance it
covert gorge
so mobile welders are specialists? not mechanics
yes because they only weld stuff and they can charge easily from $170 upwards per day
and they can use different kinds of welding techniques
covert gorge
or maybe i should just go for a new vehicle now and finance it
if you do that, you might as well buy an already converted van/truck/campervan/rv
covert gorge
with the crap that they try to throw in for the finance and basically makes a person pay more than they should, eh not really a good choice if she want's to get new especially as she can't modify the vehicle while under finance lease
timber granite
Don’t finance a car if you can help it
burnt dune
with the crap that they try to throw in for the finance and basically makes a pe...
so then maybe never go new then? since 0k mileage is just not worth the extra $20-40k usd?
so then maybe go for dealership used where its basically new. sub <50k mileage and try to find something that's like 10-15k then maybe
cause im p sure you can finance those too
what do we think about this one
covert gorge
hard pass
2 photo's and barely any info, and all it states is needing a battery + towing
covert gorge
highly important, it can show up any defects
an issues and such
with 1-2 photo's it becomes "what are they trying to hide?"
carmine sphinx
what does cutaway mean?
Its the thing in family guy when its like a flashback
burnt dune
so far i have been comparing the price mileage year / age make and model and fuel type
is there anything else i should consider
bright fulcrum
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/776647267565350/?ref=search&referral_c...
Damn, and i thought the corsair obsidian case was big…
candid salmon
is there anything else i should consider
You should look into the mpg speced by the manufacturer and the look into the mpg people report and average it
Also just beware a 2l i4 can burn more fuel than a 2.5l i4 as it comes down to how the engine is built
burnt dune
You should look into the mpg speced by the manufacturer and the look into the mp...
thats not a bad idea
ive been jotting down the combined epa mpg
candid salmon
So the specified volume doesn't always refer to mpg
candid salmon
ive been jotting down the combined epa mpg
Yeah good
candid salmon
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/776647267565350/?ref=search&referral_c...
Wouldn't risk a damaged engine
Could cost as much as the van to repair
burnt dune
oh really
is the engine like the most important part then
is it like the gpu of a car lol
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/776647267565350/?ref=search&referral_c...
this one is a big no for you, as it needs a new engine, you'll be basically paying as much as you paid for it as an engine replacment
covert gorge
is the engine like the most important part then
yes, no working engine = no moving vehicle, again it's a basic common sense thing
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/670438085026495/?mibextid=dXMIcH
this ins while looking good is a no go due to the amount of doors for external use tbh
covert gorge
what does cutaway mean?
in regards to the vans/trucks it's more the rear box is easily cut away from the cab
cloud totem
yes, no working engine = no moving vehicle, again it's a basic common sense thin...
flintstones would disagree
covert gorge
flintstones would disagree
that only works if there's no floor pan
cloud totem
nothing a saw cant fix
imagine the legs you would have after a while though
putting cbum to shame
covert gorge
imagine the legs you would have after a while though
stick a bike inside it instead and have double the work out
burnt dune
so i might have been able to talk 2 guys down from p high prices
burnt dune
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1543661086169279/
this one for maybe $4000
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/883117266777213/
or maybe this one for $4000
timber granite
wow....
carmine sphinx
long oriole
bruhg
burnt dune
he was joking but it was a different guy
and then he liked all my pics lmao
so the other 2 are still maybe $4000
covert gorge
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/883117266777213/
or maybe this one for ...
this is a no mainly due to no power locking, though it's been treated with rust converter it's not been cleaned up and painted
burnt dune
im okay with painting it. and if i went the sprinter route i would be more used to the floor ppan / layout for my 2nd van conversion
idk anything about power locking tho
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1098041321564937/?mibextid=dXMIcH
this sounds like transmission fluid leak, though it's possible to be a power stearing leak also
covert gorge
idk anything about power locking tho
central locking basically
i.e. press a button on a key fob and it locks every door
burnt dune
i agree with what you are saying but is it worth fixing up?
those dont sound too hard or expensive but i could be wrong
long oriole
🙋♂️ i have question
burnt dune
i.e. press a button on a key fob and it locks every door
oh i had someone reprogram keys to my car once
long oriole
if ur buying a better van in the future wouldnt it better if u just got a new one now as it means u dont have to in the future and dont have to worry about changing in the future
its futureproofing it
burnt dune
thats true
only issue is i dont have $56k for the perfect van i want. i would need to finance it.
it would save me like 4k tho if i bought new right away
i also dont know where to go to be all like
"heyyo i want a brand new ford transit with the longest extended box and the highest roof pls"
long oriole
google where sells it near you
if u transform a van now and then have to redo the same transofmration in the future its gonna cost so much
even if u have to hold on the pc u want to make sure ur living comfortably and safely first
burnt dune
i have but im still not sure tbh
burnt dune
even if u have to hold on the pc u want to make sure ur living comfortably and s...
yeah true. but its a trade off.
theres pros and cons
like build experience. a lot of people dont get their build right the first time
long oriole
on a pc or a van
burnt dune
also lower entry price so path of least resistance
long oriole
yes but a preowned van will last a lot shorter than a new van
and wont be in perfect condition when u get it
burnt dune
maybe
long oriole
plus u said u want to buy a new van in the future
do it now so u dont have to do the used van
saves so much
burnt dune
i dont drive that much tbh. ive had the same used car since like 2015 and i bought at 124k
its at 170k now
i also have 2 cars
one isnt a bf or anything. both are all mine. i live alone
burnt dune
and like rn i spend like $120 on electric and $120 on internet
renting at $555
was $505.
burnt dune
they want to increase to $605 so im out of there
burnt dune
so u want to move to van life from a rented place
yep
burnt dune
im very angry about inflation and about rent. i cant stand it actually.
i wasnt even happy about electric bills either.
long oriole
u want to run everything off of solar???
burnt dune
yep easy. thats p much the bare min for everyone these days
solar panels are cheap af
timber granite
3000W of solar?
burnt dune
3000w would be unlikely if not impossible.
timber granite
whats the 3000W inverter gonna do then
burnt dune
the most ive seen is 1050w
long oriole
im so confused
burnt dune
whats the 3000W inverter gonna do then
thats different. when people say "i have 600w of solar on the roof" they are referring to the actual wattage of their panels NOT the inverter.
burnt dune
yep. so the inverter will be apart of that solar system
burnt dune
meaning 3000W of solar
depends on the context ig. but most would just say 2000w or 3000w inverter.
timber granite
if youre running everything off solar, and you want 3kW of power, you need a lot of solar panels and a lot of batteries
long oriole
this makes no sense?
burnt dune
ik at first i was thinking of going a small inverter to save money. but it turns out everyone does this. which ive known now for a long time.
so your inverter wattage is like a statement of money.
im gonna go for the largest inverter i can tbh.
burnt dune
this makes no sense?
ill explain it to you.
the panel wattage dont determine your capacity or storage. only your charging speed (basically)
(if you have a low low wattage need i think ive heard of people running things off the panels only) but i wouldnt recommend this and not for me either.
its the inverter that determines your capacity basically
burnt dune
but i still think this is a bad idea
nah literally everyone and their mama is doing this
the last time i saw a non solar set up was wayyy before and they are just living in their car usually lmao
long oriole
u were the first person ive ever heard speak about doing this for real
burnt dune
oh wow
long oriole
it could be because im british and no one does it over here but ive never heard of this
burnt dune
yeah im p serious about it. ive gone camping before too. so i feel like its the life for me
long oriole
camping is not the same as van life???
burnt dune
yeah its different
timber granite
depends on what you call camping
burnt dune
^
timber granite
using a camper, yes, theyre similar
long oriole
sleeping outside in a tent with no electriticty living off of things such as a gas cooker
burnt dune
also ive done like serious extreme camping so as part of a thing with a group
where you camp in like -1 F weather etc
covert gorge
if youre running everything off solar, and you want 3kW of power, you need a **l...
4 batteries (preferably lithium ion) 4-5 solar panels + inverter tbh
burnt dune
yeah so is the inverter a battery or do you need a battery too
timber granite
ig i mean a lot of batteries as in a lot of capacity
covert gorge
yeah so is the inverter a battery or do you need a battery too
you need both
timber granite
an inverter just changes the voltage
long oriole
where you camp in like -1 F weather etc
but u dont have electricity?
burnt dune
but u dont have electricity?
yeah back then during that i didnt. only fire. we lasted about a week i think
long oriole
so how is it similar to van life?
burnt dune
but u dont have electricity?
but as far as a solar setup goes. yeah no. you dont pay an electric bill for that
covert gorge
ig i mean a lot of batteries as in a lot of capacity
12v 200A x4 gives you 48v 200A or 24v 400A or 12v 800A depending on how it's set up tbh dude
long oriole
yeah but what if theres like no sun that day?
timber granite
12v 200A x4 gives you 48v 200A or 24v 400A or 12v 800A depending on how it's set...
i would probably do 48v
long oriole
batteries?
burnt dune
i will bring up that i did see people doing multiple inverters
and even giving high wattage items dedicated inverters
timber granite
12v 200A x4 gives you 48v 200A or 24v 400A or 12v 800A depending on how it's set...
A as in Ah? or what
burnt dune
like one person did a dedicated inverter for their 700w soda machine
covert gorge
yeah but what if theres like no sun that day?
9/10 most of it's off the batteries through to the inverter
burnt dune
so maybe ill get a 2nd inverter just for the pc tbh
covert gorge
A as in Ah? or what
'Ah' i should of said
timber granite
so maybe ill get a 2nd inverter just for the pc tbh
you should make that 1 240v if you do
timber granite
'Ah' i should of said
i thought so. so that would be 9600Wh
covert gorge
i would probably do 48v
tbh it all sticks out to a total of 9.6kwh
covert gorge
yeah but what if theres like no sun that day?
solar still produces power whether it's cloudy or not tbh
though what's built in to them to prevent reverse charging at night is a blocking diode
burnt dune
you should make that 1 240v if you do
ill have to learn about it. but my inverter choice will be a passionate pick. i can reuse inverters and take them with me.
so ive seen a lot of those blue ones. with the solar chargers and everything too. seem very popular. i think those are the victrons rauko showed me. so that was a good recommendation.
timber granite
at 240v, desktop psus are more efficient
covert gorge
ill have to learn about it. but my inverter choice will be a passionate pick. i ...
yup victron is the brand, they seem to be the most reliable ones to get
burnt dune
at 240v, desktop psus are more efficient
really?
and thats dc still right
ia 240v the ones they use in uk?
we use 120v wall outlets correct?
covert gorge
ia 240v the ones they use in uk?
primarily, yup
burnt dune
what about this one
the guy contacted me in english and sent me pics
of the inside box
23 years old
110k mileage
heres the box
dayton which isnt far
covert gorge
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2258767254328810/
this is definitely better looking
the shelving unit there could be repurposed as a bed tbh
couple extra bits of wood to strengthen it up and a cut at a set place and you basically have the size a double matress is
burnt dune
the shelving unit there could be repurposed as a bed tbh
i really like the $7500 one cause of that space above the cab
stoic glade
what does fuel type flex mean?
Assuming they mean this Flex Fuel, tada!
https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31542970/flex-fuel-benefits/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible-fuel_vehicle
burnt dune
wait what
im just saying that, if you are watching a vanlife video and you see that they went for the 2000w inverter, that they skimped out.
but if you see anything more than like 3000w inverter, then they probably splurged
more than 1 inverter is less space tho. it would be better to have 1 big inverter
instead of 2 inverters
covert gorge
more than 1 inverter is less space tho. it would be better to have 1 big inverte...
more convenient to do so, but splitting the load between 2 is viable if there is room
burnt dune
yeah i agree
especially if on opposite ends. like if it was relatively longer like a solar powered tiny home instead of a relatively short vehicle.
or like a longer bus or even maybe a shuttle bus or box truck.
but also good for power hungry devices, just so you dont need to worry really. especially in the case of that goofy soda machine, ig they had it plugged in constantly on so it was drawing 700w 24/7 which didnt really make sense if they were using a regular 2-3Kw inverter. it'd be like having -700w from your inverter at all times. im guessing they probably went for a 1000w inverter. i hope those exist.
and by short vehicle i mean something like a cargo van (transit, promaster, sprinter) so not really traditionally "short"
so if the use case is right, i might do that for the pc. the only difference is that, the pc wont be turned on constantly, but it could draw something like 700w. but i do game for long stints so ehh maybe. i think im still leaning to the 1 big inverter.
definitely going 3000w + tho
covert gorge
1000w inverters exist, just they're not all that great for anything over 500w tbh
burnt dune
oh makes sense. i have heard about that
though ive heard of 2 different types. one can only use basically half of its wattage
and the other type can use a little more
covert gorge
yeah, it's better to go with pure sine wave ones afaik
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/717849767035272/?mibextid=dXMIcH
this one is an obvious no
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1967562626960314/
this is a possible
foggy palm
whats the progress update?
timber granite
vans....
timber granite
No, not even close
She won’t choose a form factor, which makes the case and motherboard basically impossible
And to some extent, the psu
She insists on a 4090 in a van with a 3kW inverter (as a wealth statement)
The number of bad choices made here :/
long oriole
thats why i think she should just buy a new van now
it will be more efficient for the long run
and effective for what she wants to do
carmine sphinx
Fr, what I think dream should do is put more money into the fan and less into the PC
timber granite
if she's so serious about vanlife, she should get a definitely sound (not rusted, etc) van now, and spend like $1500 on the pc. she can upgrade the pc easily later, after she settles down with the van, and the conversion to house with solar, battery, inverter, etc is going to be a pretty penny
carmine sphinx
Fr, what I think dream should do is put more money into the fan and less into th...
I’d get like a 1,000 laptop with a dgpu and put the rest into the van
timber granite
yeah, a laptop would be better for a van
carmine sphinx
yeah, a laptop would be better for a van
Yeah, dreams pc will use like 700 watts? Not even including monitor
Whilst a laptop will use like 100w while charging
timber granite
even a high end gaming laptop would be like 250
long oriole
van and living conditions before PC imo
foggy palm
Oh how did that happen
dense shale
Lmao
winged kite
why dont they sell it
they do, nearly all gas (at least in the us) is an ethanol blend
most places dont sell e85 which is what ur thinking of but most places sell e10
timber granite
It also tanks your gas mileage
winged kite
that is very wrong
ur probably thinking abt people making big power and making their cars burn more fuel per combustion cycle which absolutely does that
but ethanol blends alone dont do that
timber granite
No, we have a flex fuel vehicle and with e85, it has worse gas mileage
covert gorge
40k in savings
burnt dune
No, not even close
its kind of close
burnt dune
And to some extent, the psu
knowing what ik now i might switch to an sfx psu.
just have a lot on my plate with trying to movr
timber granite
Why
burnt dune
cause i can do like a 1000w sfx psu
bigger psu fan means colder parts but im p sure both will be housed and wont reach their tj max.
i feel like you probably cant oc your psu
i still believe in my 1200-1400w headroom but i can get a 1300 sfx psu or something. i forget how high the good ones go up to
ig whether they reach a bad thermal environment just depends on the psu housing itself if its just a bad psu and then based off the ambient temp of the airflow of the case.
but still i think sfx psus will probably be hotter than atx psus on average.
idc if i have an sfx psu in an atx case. i just like how small they are
i really like this one too
covert gorge
bigger psu fan means colder parts but im p sure both will be housed and wont rea...
nope it doesn't, the fan on the psu only cools the psu itself
covert gorge
ig whether they reach a bad thermal environment just depends on the psu housing ...
bad thermal enviroment would mean a case with poor airflow to begin with, and it being placed in a spot that is extremely limited for airflow around the case
covert gorge
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1019109462629539/?mibextid=dXMIcH
leaking radiator on this can mean replacing the whole radiator , which means also draining out the coolant for replacing it, or it could be a case of pipes need replacing due to perishing
still means drainage either way
dense shale
Man i knowed this project was a flop in the first place lmao
winged kite
ive been saying that for the past 6 months
burnt dune
nope it doesn't, the fan on the psu only cools the psu itself
i meant colder parts as in colder psu parts. mb
i just figure an atx psu fan is bigger so it can cool more than a sfx psu fan
covert gorge
i just figure an atx psu fan is bigger so it can cool more than a sfx psu fan
same fan size afaik
it still just cools the psu only
burnt dune
bad thermal enviroment would mean a case with poor airflow to begin with, and it...
environment yeah but i guess im talking about F tier psus or any other psu that could have bad thermals.
so in my case. not an issue. only airflow would matter.
burnt dune
same fan size afaik
oh wow really
maybe we will enter an era in the future where atx psus are just overbuilt
burnt dune
leaking radiator on this can mean replacing the whole radiator , which means als...
wait isnt a vehicle radiator only for the AC.
so then is this vehicle in like tip top shape and only the AC is basically broke?
carmine sphinx
wait isnt a vehicle radiator only for the AC.
so then is this vehicle in like t...
No
The radiator cools the engine
covert gorge
environment yeah but i guess im talking about F tier psus or any other psu that ...
nope, an F tier psu will have the same thermals as an A tier psu, the only difference is that an F tier psu will kill the whole pc when it dies
covert gorge
wait isnt a vehicle radiator only for the AC.
so then is this vehicle in like t...
nope, AC has it's own rad, the rad on that which is leaking is the main rad for the engine itself
carmine sphinx
Yeah, imagine the aio is leaking in a pc
It will lead to worse cpu temps and the aio will basically need replaced
covert gorge
It will lead to worse cpu temps and the aio will basically need replaced
it'll end up with the pump going dry if not being constantly topped up tbh
dry pumps cease up due to no lubrication via coolant
burnt dune
The radiator cools the engine
OH SHIT
burnt dune
nope, AC has it's own rad, the rad on that which is leaking is the main rad for ...
so the engine is like a gpu then
how much is a radiator replacement?
timber granite
so the engine is like a gpu then
What? No. It just generates heat like a gpu
burnt dune
but theres even different engines ive heard about and they all have a name like
V something.
covert gorge
so the engine is like a gpu then
no, it's the heart of the vehicle
burnt dune
but then the engine isnt what actually houses it its the chassis
timber granite
but theres even different engines ive heard about and they all have a name like
...
That’s the number of cylinders and the way they’re connected to the crankshaft
burnt dune
like a big ol' gpu
covert gorge
how much is a radiator replacement?
can be a couple hundred dollars
covert gorge
like a big ol' gpu
no
timber granite
Like a V6 has 6 cylinders connected in a V shape to the crank. It helps stick more cylinders into the engine
winged kite
like a big ol' gpu
if the gpu had thousands of explosions inside of it and was used for propulsion, yes
long oriole
like a big ol' gpu
no?
covert gorge
less than $500?
depends on the vehicle, and what kind of radiator is used
burnt dune
what does the engine connect to
covert gorge
if the gpu had thousands of explosions inside of it and was used for propulsion,...
tbh the engine can be considered like a psu
winged kite
also buying a project vehicle if you dont know what youre doing is a braindead move
timber granite
what does the engine connect to
The wheels, through the transmission/gearbox
covert gorge
what does the engine connect to
alternator, several pumps, the transmission which connects to the drive shaft and then wheels
winged kite
u would be better off just burning your money bc at least you would be able to use fire to stay warm
burnt dune
tbh the engine can be considered like a psu
but wouldnt the battery + alternator = the psu of the vehicle
covert gorge
but wouldnt the battery + alternator = the psu of the vehicle
not quite but without the engine, that alternator won't spin and no power will be produced
covert gorge
also why are we building a van
less about building a van though more about turning it into a home for her
covert gorge
isnt the whole point of this channel to build pcs
ideally yes
burnt dune
would the frame be the mobo
burnt dune
its all ik
carmine sphinx
https://tenor.com/view/empty-brain-loading-gif-20731521
Nahhh 💀
burnt dune
ik nothing about cars
timber granite
How
burnt dune
wdym
carmine sphinx
How do you know nothing
long oriole
car has an engine, engine makes car move
burnt dune
i dont think i know anyone who knows anything about cars
long oriole
do u know what components a car has
carmine sphinx
timber granite
What did you do with your childhood
burnt dune
didnt know much about the engine until now
long oriole
Im more confused on how you own 2 cars and dont know these
burnt dune
ik about wheels tho. kind of. yknow. just circles. but ik about battery and the alternator.
long oriole
an engine has combustion that pushes piston which turns a shaft which in turn through a lot of gears makes vechile move
winged kite
this has to be a joke
burnt dune
ik about brakes a bit. like only pads and rotor stuff and caliper stuff but thats cause i had to get them replaced.
winged kite
ik about wheels tho. kind of. yknow. just circles. but ik about battery and the ...
circles. right.
burnt dune
learned a little about the frame the other day from rauko. never heard of that until now
long oriole
Wheels have tread on them so they grip to the ground
burnt dune
its apart of the sub chassis
winged kite
you mean tbe subframe
timber granite
its apart of the sub chassis
It is the chassis
burnt dune
right i think the whole thing is the wheel. and then the tire is a subset of the wheel system
so the brake pads is a subset and the rotors are too
timber granite
What in the fuck are you saying
burnt dune
i think rotors are the disc thing
long oriole
wheels and the tire are the same part???
timber granite
so the brake pads is a subset and the rotors are too
Not part of the wheel
burnt dune
and i think calipers are the things that bite down
winged kite
are you genuinely this stupid
burnt dune
wheels and the tire are the same part???
well how i learned is that the wheel is the whole thing. the brakes included
winged kite
like be real with me rn are you trolling
long oriole
wheel = rim + tire
covert gorge
It *is* the chassis
depends on vehicle, some the chassis is removable from the subframe/sub chassis
burnt dune
how tf would i be trolling
timber granite
well how i learned is that the wheel is the whole thing. the brakes included
No, the wheel is removable and only included the rim and tire
burnt dune
so what other systems are there. i k about wheels
timber granite
And last I checked, you didn’t have to disassemble the brakes to change a flat tire on the side of the road
timber granite
so what other systems are there. i k about wheels
Lots. Look them up if you care that much
covert gorge
And last I checked, you didn’t have to disassemble the brakes to change a flat t...
she could be comparing cars to pc's due to not long finding out all cars have computers inside them
timber granite
she could be comparing cars to pc's due to not long finding out all cars have co...
You can’t even compare them
burnt dune
And last I checked, you didn’t have to disassemble the brakes to change a flat t...
what?
timber granite
Exactly what I said
covert gorge
And last I checked, you didn’t have to disassemble the brakes to change a flat t...
i've done this, though with a mountain bike not a car
timber granite
Changing from the regular to the spare doesn’t require a brake disassembly
covert gorge
V-brakes suck
timber granite
i've done this, though with a mountain bike not a car
Yeah, that’s different. Disk brakes on a car are connected to the axel not the wheel
covert gorge
Yeah, that’s different. Disk brakes on a car are connected to the axel not the w...
yeah, i know dude, just it sucks on a mountain bike, glad i started to convert it over to disc brakes now
covert gorge
Disk brakes are way better
just got to remember not to launch myself when braking
timber granite
When is this coming back to the computer
long oriole
Yeah please can we go back to a computer in a computing channel in a computing server
winged kite
should we ping the computer mods
burnt pumice
Not to be mean or anything but thks thread is extremely out of context and has gone from building a PC to whatever idc anymore I want a van
long oriole
should we ping the computer mods
its up to you
if a van or smth wants to be considered make an external chat
people are here to be offer to help with computers not vans and cars
burnt dune
Not to be mean or anything but thks thread is extremely out of context and has g...
the pc is going inside of a van
long oriole
ok therefore talk about the pc not the van
burnt pumice
the pc is going inside of a van
And when are you building it bruh ?
long oriole
"looking for a relatively small case"
burnt pumice
It's been 6 month
burnt dune
its hard to since rn we are trying to decide on form factor which depends on the vehicle space
long oriole
its the most optimised case for what you want to look for
burnt dune
probably wont be going itx now.
long oriole
you have one option from what you have said
and its the p200a
then why did we do the whole case search before?
timber granite
probably wont be going itx now.
ok, matx, montech air 100
atx, montech air 903 max
done
burnt dune
i had halloween and i work retail. i have had no time because of black friday
and im moving
long oriole
moving into a new apartment or into the van?
burnt dune
ok, matx, montech air 100
atx, montech air 903 max
this is just one recommendation
timber granite
best one
burnt dune
moving into a new apartment or into the van?
the van
timber granite
best cases
burnt dune
yeah but like i need benchmarks for the cases.
long oriole
why do you need benchmarks?
burnt pumice
No x2
long oriole
a benchmark doesnt decide what ur computer can do
timber granite
that is incredibly stupid
burnt pumice
that is incredibly stupid
Stupid isn't strong enough of a word
timber granite
all 3 cases i just listed have great airflow and fit all the components you need. there's nothing else to look for
winged kite
id love to see a benchmark of dream
timber granite
so stop nitpicking every fucking thing and pick a goddamn case
long oriole
you have some perfectly good case options given to you, you dont need the benchmarks for a case
a benchmark is a standard usaed for coomparison
its not gonna decide how well you computer will actually perform
timber granite
Stupid isn't strong enough of a word
its a fucking load of shit then
burnt pumice
She's been doing everything possible to delay it
winged kite
everything possible is an understatement
timber granite
everything possible and impossible
winged kite
breaks laws of physics by being so blissfully unaware so i can delay my pc build another month
timber granite
you never can tell with dream
burnt dune
its in the name
alr well today is my friday. i get 1 day off this week
i will use tonight to look at cases instead of vanlife vehicles
i meant benchmarks as in irl. not synthetic.
if a user is reporting certain numbers irl. then you can usually trust it if its a good source. especially if everyone is getting the same numbers.
im planning on using GN as a huge source for choosing the case.
im just gonna choose based off airflow.
since i can DIY spray paint it pink
im just sort of disappointed in some cases tho. i dont feel anything with them. the aesthetics are mostly lost on me. its impossible for me to choose based off aesthetics.
winged kite
tacit magnet
playdoh
burnt grove
He didn’t say anything about the length of the thread
burnt grove
i meant benchmarks as in irl. not synthetic.
if a user is reporting certain num...
Fractal Design Torrent is the coolest running case on the market from factory
cloud totem
1 issue about the torrent is that its huge
timber granite
What? That has literally nothing to do with what I said
burnt epoch
You still gotta pick a form factor dream
I’d still recommend getting a laptop with something like a 4070 instead tho
We literally can’t do anything else with this pc till we know form factor
burnt epoch
Yeah
timber granite
P200a for itx
Air 100 for matx
Air 903 max for atx
burnt epoch
Step 1 pick form factor
Step 2 pick if you want a 4090 or a smaller gpu
Step 3 van
burnt epoch
P200a for itx
Air 100 for matx
Air 903 max for atx
We also have mobos lined up right?
burnt epoch
Just wondering is there a reason for a x670?
timber granite
Idk, all the expansion. For itx, the other options are kinda lacking for io and such
burnt epoch
Ah
timber granite
Same for matx, but not as much
burnt epoch
I was bouta say your not doing much overclocking in a van without the van becoming 90c
timber granite
This would probably be my recommendation for matx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GncG3C/msi-mag-b650m-mortar-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-mag-b650m-mortar-wifi
long oriole
Step 1 pick form factor
Step 2 pick if you want a 4090 or a smaller gpu
Step 3 ...
step 1 - van????
burnt epoch
No
long oriole
if she wants a van i would say just buy it first and not worry about a pc at all atm
burnt epoch
Pc because this thread is for PCs
long oriole
yeah i get that
but i think she would be best of buying a NEW van first
and worrying about a pc in the ftuure
timber granite
Pc should also be max ≈$1500
burnt epoch
YES
timber granite
Because putting an 800w pc in a van is a recipe for disaster
timber granite
Not just the heat, getting sustainable off-grid power for it
burnt epoch
Because putting an 800w pc in a van is a recipe for disaster
I’d say she should get a 7600 and 7800xt
Or 7700x
timber granite
My thoughts exactly
burnt epoch
And not a wc 4090 and 7950x3d
timber granite
burnt epoch
That’s perfect
burnt epoch
I’d go itx instead tho
timber granite
Yeah in a van, I would too
But the good news is that those specs will fit fine into the nr200p
burnt epoch
Wait what games will she be playing
timber granite
No clue
She wants 4K high refresh rate gaming….for some reason
4K gaming is dumb
1440p ≈144hz would be way better
burnt epoch
And 4k id say a 32 inch monitor is best and a 32 inch in a van?????
burnt epoch
Rip
timber granite
1440 144 is the best not 1080 240 or 4k 75
Diminishing returns for both 1080p high refresh rate and 4k
burnt epoch
Yup 1440 144 is the ultimate
If you really wanna spend stupid amounts of money on a monitor get a 1440 244
timber granite
1440p ultrawide too, but that wouldn’t be great in a van
burnt epoch
Next thing we know dream will want a triple 49’ ultrawides in this van
burnt epoch
Yeah
Honestly I’m not a fan of ultrawides it’s a little less space compared to 2 27 inch monitors and same price and can’t be used as 2 monitors very well
Like you can’t put discord or YouTube on one half and game on the other
timber granite
Unless you play windowed
burnt epoch
So it’s 2 monitors without the advantages of 2 monitors
burnt epoch
Unless you play windowed
Ew
timber granite
😂
burnt epoch
Then locked to 60hz in most games and looks bad
timber granite
Wait really?
burnt epoch
Just thinking of playing siege in windowed mode makes me wanna throw up for 10 hours
burnt epoch
Wait really?
Yeah it locks to 60hz in most games if your windowed not full screen
timber granite
Stupid
burnt epoch
+looks worse
timber granite
Hmmmm yeah
burnt epoch
Just thinking of playing siege in windowed mode makes me wanna throw up for 10 h...
Again just thinking of it makes me wanna throw up for the rest of my life
timber granite
lol
Dream won’t leave the van alone and keeps posting links. No one wants to help with a fucking van in a build a pc thread
timber granite
The difference in the number of people who know about vans vs the number of people who know about pcs is astounding
burnt epoch
Yeah
It was actually the newest wan where Luke was saying how the crossover from people who know a lot about cars and alot about PCs is crazy he was apparently at some Japanese drift thing and a lot of people recognized him
Because they both are a lot of tinkering and that
It makes sense this
timber granite
Yeah
Wow, the sarcasm in that text message was so easy to pick up on.
And you can?
Not from a text
winged kite
i definitely caught it
timber granite
It’s not even sarcasm. You said something that was completely irrelevant to what I said
covert gorge
She’s definitely gonna want the x670e one for both matx and itx
eh, nope, b650 for either of those tbh
realistically getting an x670 mobo for any x3d cpu is dumb
burnt dune
only if its worth it. if the slew of features is good for the right price
so far the x670e boards seem worth it to me
super cheap
covert gorge
so far the x670e boards seem worth it to me
same features you'd get on a b650e
timber granite
Yes really
burnt dune
i think the NR200P is the smallest i could do tho
i dont know if i can make it much smaller than 20 L
timber granite
eh, nope, b650 for either of those tbh
I don’t disagree, but she’ll want x670/e
burnt dune
it offers 2 rads, but the bottom rad is unusable afaik, idk why they include a bottom rad, but maybe its for custom loop cooling only.
so if i went 1 liquid and 1 air, i could do the NR200P
and that would save me about 10 L from the P200A
covert gorge
so if i went 1 liquid and 1 air, i could do the NR200P
you would be going air on the gpu with that case if i remember correctly
burnt dune
i dont think there is any air 4090 that will fit within the 330mm clearance
your delulu with my budget rn
idk, its as if you forgot or something
timber granite
so if i went 1 liquid and 1 air, i could do the NR200P
The gpu will block 1 of the rad spots regardless of where you put it
timber granite
If it’s regular mounted, it will block the bottom rad spot. If it’s side mounted, it will block the side rad spot
burnt dune
how do you spose 10k random living lol.
burnt dune
If it’s regular mounted, it will block the bottom rad spot. If it’s side mounted...
that's fine. i only need the one rad spot
timber granite
You should get a sensible gpu and mount it normally and get a small-ish 240 aio and side mount it
Or get a laptop
burnt dune
if i vertical mount the gpu i could go a liquid gpu and use the side rad space
timber granite
if i vertical mount the gpu i could go a liquid gpu and use the side rad space
No, the gpu covers that
burnt dune
im getting a laptop later
timber granite
Don’t get a liquid cooled gpu and put it in the nr200p
burnt dune
If it’s regular mounted, it will block the bottom rad spot. If it’s side mounted...
i got it mixed up, i thought you meant if i went vertical the side would be open
i only need the one space
burnt dune
but ive heard the max is bad at cooling because of the glass side panel
timber granite
No, that’d be a stupid idea
No, just don’t try to cram a 4090 into an nr200p
because that’s stupid
And would be more work than getting the p200a
No
Just no
burnt dune
if its possible, there is no reason we can't talk about it
timber granite
the only 4090 that fits in the nr200p base is the FE. the p200a would be a much better option for the 4090
exactly why the nr200p base will not work
stop
burnt dune
well the liquid gpus, definitely fit within the clearance
timber granite
it literally wont
burnt dune
i also know that the clearance isnt exact, you can push past it a little
timber granite
and how do you propose to do that??
what the fuck is wrong with you
at that point just get a test bench and call it a day
burnt dune
by push past, i mean like maybe +5mm
definitely +2-3mm tho.
maybe i should just DIY something.
timber granite
fun is not the same as destroying a case just because "you like it" and want to fit a 4090 in it
timber granite
maybe i should just DIY something.
just get the p200a -_-
stop saying that. youre not helping at all
shut the fuck up
burnt dune
i guess there is always this https://www.reddit.com/r/NR200/comments/y42tej/list_of_4090_gpu_fits_nr200p_in_horizontal/?rdt=61969
timber granite
thats basically what this is dumbass
they would actually probably close her thread a lot sooner than here
back to the build tho
dream, what form factor are you going for
shut up pokey
burnt dune
which is 1. dumb af. because what kind of computer thread community would only allow 1 part at a time lmao.
2. its a full parts list, they literally allow that here. itd be because of the full parts list, not because of me.
3. i never really asked for people to just give me full parts lists here either.
no
its when people like you just want to gatekeep information
crab mentality
timber granite
there is definitely some spoonfeeding going on here
burnt dune
how can we ever expect to get ahead in society, if we constantly gatekeep others because we dont want them to have something better than us.
timber granite
how sure are you about that?
burnt dune
i hope that one day, when someone asks me for help, that i dont become disheartened by whatever this was so much so that i can at least lend a helping hand
timber granite
dont assume things about me that you have no idea whether they're true or not
burnt dune
sometimes, people just enjoy helping. i know i would. i would more if i could help faster. im sorry, i didnt learn fast. cant go back in time now.
timber granite
dream....please pick a form factor
if youre not here to help, leave
dream, is pokey helping you?
bc i dont see any help going on. nothing he has said has been helpful in the last month or more
im not either
-_-
ive given meaningful recommendations, unlike you
well, she wont listen to some of them. but in the end, they're just recommendations
anyway, im not going to argue anymore because this is going nowhere
idk, its been mostly vans, which is why i havent done much. i dont know anything about vans so i wasnt recommending anything
what?
nothing
just looking at different ones and posting the links
DREAM, pick a form factor
@burnt dune pick a form factor please
burnt dune
cause i dont want to just pick something that was spoonfed to me. the reason i havent gone the p200a is because at first,
- it was just 1 rec. its smart to gather multiple options to compare.
- i dont like the aesthetics of the case. (later i found out i could spray paint it pink and that it looks p easy)
- i didnt have any info on it. whether it was a case that just fit my needs or if it was a good case outside of that. (later i found out that it is reviewed and p relevant this year with the 4090 and the itx community.)
- its bigger than the NR200P, and the NR200P was recently featured in a vanlife build along with having known support for the 4090 and includes a pink case. it was also recommended to me by this server before the p200a.
- i also dont really have any airflow information on it. how it stacks up against other cases at all.
- matx and atx cases are options that open up the comparison side of things.
so its not a bad option at all, but it requires minimal DIY. and allows for F and S mount rads unlike the NR200P.
winged kite
timber granite
cause i dont want to just pick something that was spoonfed to me. the reason i h...
it has good airflow. You can literally see the mesh and fan mounts
burnt dune
i cant say pokey has been helpful, i can only say that i have been distracted by his laser pointer more recently than i was before.
i dont think he has recommended 1 case. or had any insight on vanlife vehicles.
just keeps talking about my budget and life decisions.
timber granite
You should work on not insulting people 24/7
burnt epoch
You should work on not insulting people 24/7
Fr
burnt dune
wouldnt it be better to have rads on the rear and have them set to exhaust. i feel like rads taking up the front and side rads which are the main intake areas = a bad thing
burnt epoch
Is this typing speed good enough
burnt dune
like, ik that rear rads just arent a thing
burnt epoch
(I took 30 second to type that)
timber granite
wouldnt it be better to have rads on the rear and have them set to exhaust. i fe...
No, it doesn’t matter
Yes
I’m sure
burnt epoch
Yes insulting people to “teach them a skill”
burnt dune
so like, it cant be engineered more, like that isnt an optimization missed opportunity thing? cause i feel like the rads will exhaust hot air back into the airflow cycle of the case
timber granite
Fym airflow cycle
burnt dune
i havent been asking questions. i have learned. and i am mostly working on my own now
burnt epoch
“Yes my discord workflow is bad I better learn to type better”
timber granite
so like, it cant be engineered more, like that isnt an optimization missed oppor...
Because of the motherboard io and pcie slots, you can’t fit many fans on the back and 120mm rads are useless
burnt epoch
And why are you always trolling and starting every argument ever if I say “I like pancakes” you’ll turn that into a argument
burnt dune
Fym airflow cycle
ig i just meant this
burnt dune
maybe thats why top rads are the best too aside from air inside the tubing and pump issues.
because it can be set to exhaust, which means the hot air never enters the case, which could be slightly more efficient
timber granite
ig i just meant this
That airflow cycle is to give the best cooling to the cpu and gpu and to aid in convection (the natural movement of air due to temperature)
timber granite
maybe thats why top rads are the best too aside from air inside the tubing and p...
No, it’s not any more efficient
burnt dune
cause you can set top rad to exhaust
timber granite
You should set it to exhaust
burnt dune
is it just cause the airflow of the case, as long as there is airflow. having hot air come and go is normal ?
i just feel like having hot air leave immediately directly is more efficient
timber granite
i just feel like having hot air leave immediately directly is more efficient
It’s not
timber granite
shut up pokey
burnt epoch
shut up pokey
^
timber granite
lol thats a logical fallacy
timber granite
i just feel like having hot air leave immediately directly is more efficient
its not any more efficient to put rads as exhaust instead of intake
is there?
show me
burnt dune
its not any more efficient to put rads as exhaust instead of intake
no i mean, top exhaust rad vs the front intake rad
timber granite
thats what i meant
burnt dune
i feel like this was discussed by others before but since i didnt know anything about cases, i didnt know
like between others. not with me
i can afford the 4090 tho. which is the issue here lol
yeah ive told you that.
i have the money set aside.
im not in college rn
yeah when i didnt have a job
the irony is that back then, i had 10k, but no job. i did NOT want to liquidate my assets lmao
timber granite
<@&750150305383186585>
troll
can we get back to the pc
@burnt dune why wont you choose a form factor
burnt dune
i have both. i got the job to save my savings
timber granite
shut the fuck up pokey
burnt dune
and i have medical, dental, vision, life insurance. and a gym membership. a phone plan. rent, internet, electric.
i didnt before.
timber granite
we literally cannot progress until you choose a form factor
timber granite
you dont need life insurance if youre single
i just did a finance class. dont tell me im wrong
burnt dune
you dont need life insurance if youre single
this is true actually
timber granite
no
burnt dune
creeper is like 21
timber granite
im 16
timber granite
what? no
im in 10th. everyone in high school should do a financial class. you'll need it when you finish high school
because im not a genius who can skip 2 grades
i literally just turned 16. its a normal grade to be in
and i would rather not cram like 10 hours of school every day
i copied a youtubers gamertag lol, replacing one word with "creeper". everyone thinks i was born in 2009 because of the "09" but im not
i dont
i spend like 2-3 hours on school monday-thursday. on friday its like 7
im homeschooled
stfu
im not behind any public school
geometry. i did algebra 2 last year
what the fuck are you on
geometry is not 8th grade
what country do you live in
all of the schools around me do algebra 2 in 10th or 11th, i cant remember which
because i know people who were in public school
not behind
shut the fuck up
im not behind you dumbass
unkempt vine
timber granite
back to the PC
@burnt dune why wont you pick a form factor?
id just like to point out
and now im done arguing
burnt dune
back to the PC
<@841694455747706911> why wont you pick a form factor?
im having a hard time picking a form factor, cause if i go itx i might miss out on better things
timber granite
Like what
burnt dune
but if i got atx i might miss out on better use of space or size for a vanlife build
the largest pc ive seen in a van, is 40 L
ik i want pink
and i think i have my priorities straight now putting airflow and performance above looks and above size
timber granite
What would you miss out on if you got itx
burnt dune
maybe better airflow
timber granite
The p200a has airflow that’s basically the same as the 4000D or something similar
burnt dune
so im trying to see if airlfow is an elitism thing or if having colder is always better
timber granite
Maybe better because the gpu pulls air directly from the outside through the bottom of the case
burnt dune
cause yeah ik having a bigger gap from tj max temps is better
but why
does performance get better the colder it gets?
burnt grove
To an extent yes
timber granite
Cooler temps means less fan noise, slightly better efficiency and more longevity of the components
burnt dune
or is performance the same between a 50 C gpu vs a 65C gpu
burnt grove
There’s a point of diminishing returns unless your overclocking super high
timber granite
or is performance the same between a 50 C gpu vs a 65C gpu
They’re the same
burnt grove
Maybe at most like .1%
burnt dune
so then whats the point of trying to go colder?