looking for a relatively small case

[burnt dune]

do they do different things or just look different

[covert gorge]

i sent picks earlier of surface and penetrating rust

[covert gorge]

looks different, it's still rust but at different stages

[burnt dune]

so is scale, like, before surface

[covert gorge]

you never want to have it at penetrating let alone scale rust

[covert gorge]

after

[burnt dune]

oh so scale is like medium rust

[covert gorge]

surface rust is where it's not even penetrated through

[burnt dune]

but scale and penetrating are the worse

so the rust literally eats the metal away

[covert gorge]

penetrating rust

[covert gorge]

it's the combination of no protection, air and moisture, and the less protection and more moisture, the more it penetrates

[burnt dune]

so is scale and penetrating rust a no buy deal breaker?

and is surface rust okay to buy?

[covert gorge]

and if salt is added to it, the more corrosive it will be

[covert gorge]

surface rust is fine because it can be dealt with quickly using a wire brush/sandpaper, some rust converter and then spraying over with a primer, mid coat and clear coat on top

[burnt dune]

so basically just painting over it after sanding it down

whats the rust converter tho

ik about primer and mid coat / core coat and clear coat. its just like nails.

but what idk is what paint you use

what paint is okay for vehicles to use?

[covert gorge]

paints that are designed for vehicles, they're colour matchable to the vehicle

[burnt dune]

yeah but like, probably not watercolor.

acrylic idk

[covert gorge]

rust converter is for any rust that can be left over when cleaning it off

[burnt dune]

spray paint idk

oil based paint

[burnt dune]

so any rust leftover after sanding it down basically.

[covert gorge]

it's a spray paint, but i can't say for sure what materials it's made of for the paint itselfd

[burnt dune]

what if some rust gets leftover by accident? can it spread again?

[covert gorge]

there will always be a faint amount left over

[burnt dune]

can i use spray paint that i can buy from walmart?

[covert gorge]

and rust isn't directly able to be painted on

so rust convertewr stablizes it so you can

[burnt dune]

they have a large in store spray paint section

[covert gorge]

if it's designed for uise on a car's exterior yes, but if it's crafting spray paint, no

[burnt dune]

right not before sanding it, and then using the converter on it first

[covert gorge]

sand, then converter on

[burnt dune]

how would you know. i dont think spray paint is usually an arts an crafts spray

like will it say so on the bottle ig

[covert gorge]

there is, alot of acrilic based spray cans are for arts and crafts only

[burnt dune]

oh okay

i wonder what materials they use for car spray paint

[covert gorge]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2072547459810737/ <- in america this would be $30k instead of £10k that it is in the uk

[burnt dune]

is it always spray paint or are there other methods for painting cars

[covert gorge]

and that's not as a conversion, it's also what's been done to it

[covert gorge]

nope it's a spray paint for large areas, though if it's a scratch you can get small touch up paing jars

[burnt dune]

yeah but why

[covert gorge]

look at it, and look how it's been built out

[burnt dune]

no ik

but im asking why is everything so much cheaper in the uk

why are all the vanlife vehicles so expensive in the states

[covert gorge]

when converting

[burnt dune]

yeah ik this too

[covert gorge]

we're a stronger currency, so even if it looks cheaper it doesn't mean that it is

[burnt dune]

UGH no thats not what im asking

[covert gorge]

also different levels of inflation

[burnt dune]

i feel like its cause of the vanlife trend

which is dumb

it means im getting into this late, and all of the cheap vanlife vans, went up in price because of a bandwagon

im gonna have to find an unconventional van unless i want to pay extra premiums

[covert gorge]

you're going to pay premiums due to material costs anyways because 'merica

[covert gorge]

it's not because of that

[burnt dune]

im pretty sure it is

because if you look back at videos, everyone was talking about how the promaster and ford transit were cheaper

now they are basically inaccessable

[covert gorge]

because ford transits are cheap, especially on parts for replacements

[burnt dune]

yeah well, not here lol

[covert gorge]

it's one of the cheapest for converting out

[burnt dune]

i cant even find a promaster in my area for less than 10k

and that's supposed to be cheaper than the ford transit

i like the promaster cause its more boxy

[covert gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/merica-murica-america-this-is-gif-22051896

[burnt dune]

lol

[covert gorge]

it's what RoW sees you as

[burnt dune]

im guessing this change in the market must have happened within the last 3-4 years.

fucking sucks.

what should i go for, diesel or gas?

like which fuel type

[burnt dune]

what is RoW?

[covert gorge]

rest of world

[burnt dune]

do i have to learn how to build a car in order to understand cars

car as in / vehicles

https://youtu.be/Zoy92_GOFAo?si=wZcwF6Qz3V0MZxLE

also, i saw someone did this, and was wondering if it is a customization option? or like

why would anyone paint their cpu

[covert gorge]

if you're moving around short distances a lot, petrol, if you're traveling long distances, like interstate traveling then diesel is better

[covert gorge]

no this is dumb, and means your cpu will be running hotter

[burnt dune]

well what if it was a different color

[burnt dune]

whats petrol

[covert gorge]

no, but it does help a lot if you are on your own stuck somewhere and have to jury-rig something to get it working repair something

[covert gorge]

gasoline to you yanks

[burnt dune]

ohhh okay

is it like petroleum

[covert gorge]

that's what it's short for

[burnt dune]

ty

is there a LTT but for cars where i can start

[covert gorge]

again, pretty common sense thing

[burnt dune]

LTT was a good starting point for me with pcs

[covert gorge]

nope, but you can watch a ton of mechanics vids

[burnt dune]

i just feel like if i do that, the information will be needles in haystacks

and i also feel like it would be mostly a large time investment due to poor videos.

not because the info is hard

[burnt dune]

is there any other resource i can do?

its not like i can ask my dad

this is why i like shorts / reels / tiktok because the info is told to you within 10 seconds.

instead of it being like. lets get to know this person and his character and about his dog and about the sponsor

im scared that the info that i learn is proprietory too. like what if i learn about honda elements, well now i gotta learn another vehicle. is there any way i can learn like the general stuff.

i dont want to have to learn how to build a ford transit and then know nothing about anything else

or learn how to build a car and then know nothing about vanlife vehicles because theyre different in some unforseen way i couldnt predict

[lunar night]

🤣

I’ve left my state

[burnt dune]

i have been to alaska and i was born in colorado

when i do vanlife i plan to do some exploring eventually in the US

but honestly might just enjoy rent free living for awhile in ohio

before i finally up and leave

i want to get to new york

[lunar night]

Too expensive unless you magically get a remote job

[lunar night]

Still applies

[burnt dune]

not expensive really.

if you know what you are doing

[lunar night]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt dune]

rent is insane tho, but i wont be paying that

[lunar night]

If you live like you have nothing it’s not that expensive

If you actually go out and do stuff things are usually marked up majorly

Than some other state

Just live in Alaska

[burnt dune]

i mean, even if i spend $500 on food only. i would still be comfortable in new york city

but i doubt itll be that bad

[lunar night]

$500 a week?

[burnt dune]

im not going back to alaska lmao

[lunar night]

500/week wouldn’t be bad, but what are you gonna do there

Sleep and eat?

[burnt dune]

i would be working

hopefully less hours and a higher wage at that point

more opportunities too

and the most people on the regular in the US

the only other times where there is a higher gathering of people in the US outside of new york city, is literally when there is some kind of convention like certain anime conventions for example become larger than new york city.

but i sort of want to either eventually, get a van built in europe and do the same thing over there, or have my van flown out

im p sure vanlife is illegal in hawaii tho

but only hawaii p much

and maybe seattle but im not sure

no state or federal laws

but im p sure some city laws

especially hawaii tho

theres also just nothing up in alaska for me tbh

besides like site seeing

but ive already seen

so

nothing in colorado for me either except 1 - 2 good cities in the middle of nowhere.

i spent a lot of my life there tho

i would rather be on west coast or texas than colorado

a lot going on in texas

cali would just be cool for like older life, and proximity to hawaii

also, if im relatively quick about it, i could get this done and end up retiring the van maybe.

but tbh doubt i would want to go back

then i could keep the van at the house

i just doubt it cause i honestly dont think / expect the housing market will crash soon or ever tbh.

i even think a dip is unlikely.

it would take a lot for the rsi to drop that low to make a small dip anyway, and it would be followed by literally just more growth

so yeah. im not waiting for the housing market to crash lmao

more like waiting to get rich

[desert crow]

yeah, don't wait for a crash
if a crash happens and you have the means to, then invest in it

[burnt dune]

exactly and in which case, i would have the money on the side

but with everything price in as it stands, yeah i honestly cant predict the future but it would have to be some big thing.

like maybe wwiii or like idk.

inflation didnt do shit except make the housing market grow more lmao.

im p sure we can say right now, that the housing market is literally the best it has ever been ever

[desert crow]

it doesn't necessarily have to be something that big

the entire economy was down just earlier this year, I'm pretty sure almost every major stock has doubled since then

[burnt dune]

yeah but tbh i think thats just fuss

nothing came of it

the entire economy was struggling and the housing market still said 🤷‍♀️

[desert crow]

the housing market said that as well before previous crashes

it's gonna come randomly and out of the blue

you're not gonna know when it's going to crash

[covert gorge]

nope, full on mechanic's vids, the only thing that's proprietary to a vehicle is the programming for the onboard computer which is the brains of it all, all the mechanical side and most of the electrics are generic (though the wiring for a car can be under 1000's upon 1000's of different colouring combo's for each model depending on the year it's made

[covert gorge]

you do realise a professional mechanic pretty much has to know 1000's of different setups due to different car manufacturers engineers, though most of it is the same just in different locations

[covert gorge]

that moment when you've left your country without leaving your country

[covert gorge]

never invest in homes, invest in land instead

[covert gorge]

why not??, was he never taught the basics of vehicle maintenance at all??

[covert gorge]

this is the worst way to learn, as it teaches you nothing

[timber granite]

yes

[covert gorge]

10 seconds is enough just to teach you a fuse swap/internal lightbulb replacement

not enough to teach you how to rewire a light to convert it over to led's or the like

[timber granite]

Anything that’s not plug and play (like a lightbulb swap) needs at least a minute imo

And even with a lightbulb swap, if it’s not intuitive, it would need more time

[covert gorge]

especially headlights, that's a 5 minute job for bulb replacement

unless it's a newer headlight on a car like a bmw/merc

some of those are sealed units which you have to take the whole headlight out to swap them over

[burnt grove]

Give praise to the current presidential administration 😎

https://tenor.com/view/lexispencer-joebiden-biden-gif-5390098

[lunar night]

Would you tho?

i dont think you would, unless it happens in the next 30 years

[lunar night]

It's one of those things, like when people in U.S. say they dont have there passport

like whaaaa

how do you live

[lunar night]

You could put homes up for rent, if you are fine with the headache

[covert gorge]

nah, i've left a country while staying in my country technically

[burnt grove]

I didn’t have a passport till 6 months ago. Went to Peru to meet my fiancés parents

[lunar night]

you don't need a passport to leave a country in U.S., you only need a card that lets you goto like mexico

[covert gorge]

doesn't return as much profit as holding land does

[lunar night]

depends on how long outcome you want imo

[lunar night]

f

[covert gorge]

nor do you when you live in the uk, to travel locally

[burnt grove]

Real estate in general holds immense value

[lunar night]

yea

[burnt grove]

Even when housing plummets the land is still worth a lot cause of the house on it

[covert gorge]

also, as i'm a brit, and the uk is made up of 4 countries technically

[covert gorge]

it's worth way more if you got the mineral rights

[lunar night]

eurasia :D

[burnt grove]

But in general if you’re gonna invest in something that actually holds value…invest in precious metals. Gold specifically

[covert gorge]

it's like doing that in a sense

[lunar night]

true

[burnt grove]

Gold has held its value better then anything in history

[covert gorge]

not as precious

[lunar night]

We should all buy gold at the same time

And sell it in a 3rd world country plumeting its economy

[covert gorge]

1g of palladium/rhodium is like 10x gold prices

[burnt grove]

Diamonds are worth more then gold but it’s not something you can just invest into that holds value like gold lol

Because it’s not in abundance like gold and not as well protected by government as gold

[covert gorge]

i'd rather invest in copper though

long term it's a constant revenue

[lunar night]

iridium sounds fun to invest in

[lunar night]

Could make just a room showcasing your iridium

lol

[lunar night]

germanium just doesnt have that

spacey out of this world name sound

sounds like a lame gum name

[lunar night]

it looks wrinkly kinda weird

might be the light reflections

[burnt grove]

Good just holds it value better if you wanna use it for retirement or whatever

[lunar night]

Yea true

[covert gorge]

it holds better than steel does

and it's constantly needed, so it makes a steady revenue

[lunar night]

what is it used for?

[covert gorge]

copper?

[lunar night]

no

hafnium

[lunar night]

what a oddly specific use

but cool

[covert gorge]

it's also rust resistant

[lunar night]

@burnt dune get a car thats made out of hanium

ez never worry about rust

[burnt grove]

I’m not trynna make money on gold I’m tryna use it as a wealth holder lol

[lunar night]

Why do that, when you can make money?

[burnt grove]

Copper and steel value moves all the time gold doesn’t

[lunar night]

does it move down?

[burnt grove]

No not really

[covert gorge]

then gold is the least wisest to invest in tbh

[burnt grove]

Oh copper and steel yea

[burnt grove]

Dude I’m not justifying trynna make money on it

I’m saying it’s good to invest into if you want a retirement and to not lose your money in something like a 401k

[covert gorge]

copper fluctuates but on a minor scale, steel prices has to much of a fluctuation

[burnt grove]

Copper fluctuates much more then gold tho

[covert gorge]

oh yeah, you americans have to worry about that

[burnt grove]

Gold is a great invest meant for holding wealth for long periods of time

Because even when inflation goes through the roof golds value doesn’t drop

[burnt grove]

Yea our government is kinda an emotional roller coaster so

[covert gorge]

between steel and copper though, you make more per kilo of copper than you do per ton of steel

[covert gorge]

316 stainless would be better tbh

[lunar night]

true

[covert gorge]

it's a steel alloy for marine use

[lunar night]

get a retired submarine and put 4 wheels and an engine on it

or 6 wheels

or 7

[covert gorge]

if i could afford a boat, i'd be living on it

[lunar night]

a yatch?

[covert gorge]

fuck no, small cargo ship

[lunar night]

cargo ship?

thatd be

interesting

[covert gorge]

yeah, you can basically be a floating city on one

[lunar night]

if you pirate on a ship. Are you technically a pirate

Random shower thoughts fr

[lunar night]

true

[covert gorge]

yes

[lunar night]

Fun should do it

[covert gorge]

small cargo ships are like 35t carrying capacity

[lunar night]

o

[burnt grove]

ha kilos I forgot you guys use the metric system

[covert gorge]

eh we use both

[lunar night]

I dont really get why imperial system is used. It legit has 0reason to be used

[lunar night]

get a self propelled work barge

you could afford that

[burnt grove]

It was implemented as a easier way to sell and trade goods but doesn’t really make sense anymore tbh

It’s been tried to move but it’s so adopted now I don’t think it ever will

Tbh feet and inches kinda makes sense but fractions nahhhhh

Just use decimal values it’s easier lol

[timber granite]

fractions are shit for measuring. why the fuck would you use a "1/16" of an inch instead of a "1/10" of an inch

[timber granite]

the fact that like 3-4 countries in the entire world use it doesnt help

[burnt grove]

Well fractions aren’t use as much but pounds and Fahrenheit are still in use which I’m okay with

Yards, feet, inches etc not bad I just don’t like the bs standard system of measurement

[covert gorge]

i wish i could

[lunar night]

its $60k used, just need a good remote job, and, a loan

[burnt dune]

yeah land is better

[burnt dune]

so like the programming you mean that almost every vehicle has a mini computer inside it even if it's not a fancy new one with a screen?

[burnt dune]

no i dont realize that why i asked

[burnt dune]

i have my passport

but almost no one has one.

[burnt dune]

that would be cool. be a landlord living out of a van lmao

[lunar night]

Houses would be too expensive in this market for you to afford that and a van

But ig yea

Would be kinda sad

[candid salmon]

Corn wheat and gold are p stable and have their peaks, good to go for but I have no clue why a produce has its own stock since its not assigned to a specific company

[lunar night]

Living in your car rather than the house that you rented away

[lunar night]

#takeovercornwheat

[burnt dune]

uhh, nah you need a passport. you can get the card or the book. the card lets you do mexico and canada only. but its still a passport. the book is basically anywhere. its considered the "international passport"

[burnt dune]

thats the whole situation in Vegas

[burnt dune]

the same reason why you can bid on pirates in samalia with crypto

[candid salmon]

Fair

Time to invest in corn

[burnt dune]

money go brr

[candid salmon]

Even tho I only have 240 euro to my name

Well 140 I bought shit the last day

[burnt dune]

not gbp right

[candid salmon]

And today I'm going spendinga again prolly as I'll see if I can find a ram kit for my laptop, 12gb ain't enough

[candid salmon]

Nah

Live in the country beside

[burnt dune]

which one ik the names

[lunar night]

I said the card

[lunar night]

He just told you, the one in the country beside

[candid salmon]

Ireland

[burnt dune]

oh cool

[candid salmon]

Me when poppoo tax

They charge you for everything here lol , lad I'm not a proper member of society

yet (can't even get a job)

[burnt dune]

ireland had it really rough.

i hear its pretty. people should go there more

population is only just now starting to recover

[covert gorge]

any modern car has 2-3 computers in it essentially

the main one is known as the ECU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_control_unit

there's even the ecm which is called ecu also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_control_unit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_auto_parts

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/a7386/how-it-works-the-computer-inside-your-car/ @burnt dune

[burnt dune]

like whole pcs, probably not a gpu tho huh

okay so each system has a different computer

oh okay so this

so computer doesnt = cpu

pc = a type of computer

usually an entertainment based computer like desktops, and laptops and some 2in1 tablets ig.

but you wouldnt call your smartphone a pc

you would use computer

or computer for most tablets too.

but ig most tablets now can be used like a desktop or laptop

[covert gorge]

nothing like a pc at all, but a pc can connect to it

[burnt dune]

i guess they are called ECUs

[covert gorge]

nowadays if a sensor goes on a car, the car basically goes into a safe mode/limp home mode, but if the ecu dies it's either scrap the vehicle or pay $300+ for a new ecu that has to be reprogrammed to the vehicles specs and sensors

some sensors can be cleaned and re-used, others need a full replacement

[burnt dune]

i guess some cars with the really nice displays, or with better camera stuff could have a gpu

[covert gorge]

nope

no gpu

[burnt dune]

and for AI stuff too

[covert gorge]

ai stuff is different, but for straight camera to display no gpu is needed

[lunar night]

que, why talk about gpus? It's going to be wayyy out of your budget

The cars you're looking for would might still have radio afaik

as there main entertainment system

[timber granite]

with any display, it needs some kind of gpu

[burnt dune]

i guess ecus use ram too, but its not called ram its called KAM

[covert gorge]

tbf you can build your own car infotainment system using linux

[burnt dune]

oh wow

what is an infotainment system

like, as in not an entertainment system right?

[covert gorge]

information and entertainment system all wrapped up in one

[lunar night]

For dream I dont think they could do it

unless they hired someone to do it

which i also doubt someone would take that job

without a pretty big price

[lunar night]

????

analog cameras

[covert gorge]

nah you can get 3rd party ones that are built into a radio nowadays that are stupidly easy to fit in

[burnt grove]

thats it im stealing tesla lidar gpus

[covert gorge]

not when it comes to camera straight to screen

[burnt grove]

4090s are just to overpriced

[timber granite]

for any interactive screen ig

[covert gorge]

@lunar night modern version of one, https://www.ebay.com/itm/364084389193

[lunar night]

USB A ew

[covert gorge]

usb thumbdrive with a fuckton of movies/music on

[lunar night]

why do that, when you can use cellular and stream movies

[covert gorge]

because you don't have to if you don't ever need to, and with some countries, mobile internet can be more costly than landline/fibre based internet

[lunar night]

F

[covert gorge]

lets be honest here, cellular signal can be a pain when on the go/doing certain things

[timber granite]

Why

[lunar night]

ew

[timber granite]

Again, I ask, why

[burnt dune]

usba isnt bad really. usbb is eh but mirco usbb was one of my favorite connectors.

tbh, love the usbc world we live in today tho. i want usba and usbb to just go away now

i wonder what usbd will be like tbh

or if we will get a mini usbc or micro usbc

lol mini usbc is an oval and micro usbc is a dot lmao

one day who knows

how they fit the pins in a usbc is already a feat as is

its usually just the shape, i wonder if a usbd could ever exist even if its like 100 years into the future. i honestly cant imagine anything after usbc that isnt completely out there

that isnt air or magnetic

like maybe eventually itll be so small its just a dot, and you have to use magnetic one day.

to line up the dot

it makes me think usbd might not ever happen in my lifetime tbh and itll just be micro usbc or something.

[timber granite]

I’d imagine usb d as a sort of larger usb c with way more pins for like full DP or something like that

[burnt dune]

ooo thats a good idea too

like instead of smaller we build more versatility in

[timber granite]

I hope they don’t shrink usb c. It’s already really small and making it smaller would probably just make it more expensive and weaker

[burnt dune]

yeah i agree

im smart enough to know i know nothing but i question if usbc really is the best shape for a connector at its fundamental level. I know that back in the day people thought we would never get a usbc and talking about a usbc especially after micro b, was kind of a joke. and it only took 7 years to get there.

its definitely an improvement from usbb.

[timber granite]

Oh 100% better

No contest

Smaller but can carry dual 4K 60 display signals

[burnt dune]

and ik the technical naming would make the next size down from usbc = mini c first.

which i feel like would make things confusing for people in the future who dont know the history. but ik they most likely wont jump from usbc to micro c in one jump if that were to happen. even if mini c looks insanely small to us in the future, and the idea of micro c would just be insane.

its hard to imagine that future.

its almost been 9 years since usbc

so my guess is any engineering into that would be harder and harder not faster and faster

[burnt dune]

yeah that would be cool, there is still a lot more room to engineer things imo with hdmi and dp and seeing thunderbolt could be foreshadowing something more.

i wonder what else you can put into one cord and connector tho

[timber granite]

I think the next logical step is to change to x8 or x16 pcie on any major data transfer change for usb/thunderbolt

[burnt dune]

OH YEAH

that would be huge already

[timber granite]

Although, it would also make cable quality a huge deal. It already is pretty important with pcie x4 on the current tbt

[burnt dune]

yeah which im okay with. i think the market is heading that way too with the nylon braided ones etc

still scared of manufacturers trying to inflate the price on some random feature on a cord tho

[lunar night]

so lame

[burnt dune]

so since some cases can have more fans than other cases, it makes some cases much more expensive than the advertised price?

so i should look into case fans at the same time as case too

i thought case fans were cheap?

[lunar night]

no

What you need is to buy a computer that'll fit more into your budget

I mean think about the van

and how expensive it'll be

You should spend $1.5k on the computer

[burnt dune]

im p sure the gpu is gonna be more expensive than 1.5k as is

[lunar night]

not really

[burnt dune]

im getting a 4090 and some went up in price so im looking at about 2k for that alone

[lunar night]

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/JLgXsY/enthusiast-amd-gamingstreaming-build

[lunar night]

Not within your budget

[timber granite]

Yes, it will

[lunar night]

And how do you know this?

are you dream?

[timber granite]

Because it’s going to be a 4090

[lunar night]

What?

[timber granite]

Her gpu is going to be a 4090 which as an MSRP of $1600

[lunar night]

still What?

[timber granite]

You heard me

[burnt dune]

i have time off and im looking at cases tonight

im having issues with the van stuff

[timber granite]

Itx form factor?

P200a

[burnt dune]

nah, it will be any form factor

[timber granite]

Matx form factor?
Montech air 100

[burnt dune]

but most likely close to 40L

[lunar night]

Didn't, What?

[lunar night]

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/JLgXsY/enthusiast-amd-gamingstreaming-build

[timber granite]

Atx form factor?
Montech air 903

[lunar night]

40L is the worst type of case description you can describe

what if the height is 5" and the width is 40ft

[burnt dune]

i dont think that exists

[lunar night]

Sarcasm

[timber granite]

that won’t be 40L

[burnt dune]

but any orientation is fine, but like i probably wont choose a desktop / sandwhich style case

[timber granite]

No it’s not

[burnt dune]

just cause towers have smaller footprint.

[lunar night]

Find case, that can fit your dimensions of the components you chose

[lunar night]

que? desktop/tower?

Pc case

[burnt dune]

thats not as big of an issue if its not itx

[lunar night]

Why dont you go for an openair design

[burnt dune]

what is that

[timber granite]

It’ll be dusty as hell

Or you’ll need compressed air to clean it a lot

[burnt dune]

do pcie gen 5 riser cables exist?

[timber granite]

No

Not that I know of

[burnt dune]

so gen 4 riser cables are the highest

[timber granite]

And there’s no reason to anyway

Nothing used pcie gen 5

[burnt dune]

but the 4090 is gen 4 so it doesnt matter

[timber granite]

As far as full 16x slots goes

[timber granite]

Please pick one

Seriously

Imo, atx would be best for you as a first time builder

[burnt dune]

well im looking at atx cases now

they have LED cases too?

like opposed from ARGB?

what is ARGB and how is it different from RGB. im like worried about the emi stuff. and i just want to learn more about RGB in general

ik A stands for addressable

[timber granite]

Led means light emitting diode and can be any light

[burnt dune]

is RGB better than LED

[timber granite]

Argb means addressable rgb

[burnt dune]

im guessing RGB = red green blue

[timber granite]

So each light can be independently controlled for like 16 million colors or something

[timber granite]

Yep

[burnt dune]

so like RGB is just worse than ARGB

and there is 2 types tho?

[timber granite]

5v argb and 12v rgb

[burnt dune]

i thought it was theres 2 types of RGB >> ARGB and some other RGB

oh so RGB is only 12v

and ARGB is only 5v

meaning RGB uses more power?

and ARGB is newer?

[timber granite]

Argb means each individual light can be controlled

12v rgb is usually for rgb strips and the whole strip is changed at the same time

[burnt dune]

this guy just recommended this

[timber granite]

No, it just uses a different voltage

[burnt dune]

is there a 3rd type of RGB or is it just ARGB and RGB

[timber granite]

Idk, those are the 2 that I know of

And the ones that you should care about

[timber granite]

Who?

[burnt dune]

PC builder on YT

[timber granite]

Ok, but who

[burnt dune]

im talking about PC RGB

[burnt dune]

his name is PC builder

[timber granite]

And I’m not surprised, it’s a killer deal

[burnt dune]

that's his channel name

[timber granite]

Ohhh

[burnt dune]

he's not bad tbh

so with cases, sometimes fans are included and sometimes fans are not included?

oh okay

so whats DRGB??

[timber granite]

I think it’s the same as Argb

[burnt dune]

so i need to get my case priorities straight

[timber granite]

Yes. That’s part of the reason the montech air 903 is such a good deal, especially the max

[burnt dune]

the most important thing is airflow right?

which impacts >> cooling temp of all parts >> slight performance

[timber granite]

Another plus of the air 903

[burnt dune]

what is the 2nd most important thing to look at for cases?

[timber granite]

Well, number 1 is making sure it fits all your components. But you knew that

[burnt dune]

right compat

i think compat is always a hidden #1 priority when choosing all parts that i always make sure of but then i look at the real priorities after each part

[timber granite]

Yeah, airflow is the next most important

Other than that, idk

[burnt dune]

ohh okay

well would you say airflow is more important than aesthetics?

[timber granite]

Yes

[burnt dune]

then maybe size

[timber granite]

What kind of size

[burnt dune]

so maybe

#1 compat (with your parts)
#2 airflow
#3 size (that the case takes up)
#4 aesthetics

[timber granite]

Yeah sounds about right

Aesthetics should be last

And assuming compatibility, airflow should be first

Also why do you abbreviate “compatibility” with “compat”

[burnt dune]

cause with aesthetics even if its not something you want or like, you can paint it

and glass inhibits airflow

[timber granite]

My honest case recommendation for you is the montech air 903 max.
It has

stellar compatibility
lots of airflow
is atx (which is the best for first time builders imo),
with the included fan hub, most, if not all fans can connect to it (with pwm and argb. Tho not sure if it can be motherboard controlled)

[timber granite]

If you mean front glass, yes. Side glass, no

[burnt dune]

oh i was told side glas is bad

[timber granite]

for emi a bit, but it doesnt matter

side fans arent going to do shit, especially when something like the montech air 903 can have 4 140mm fans and 3 120mm fans

for airflow, having or not having glass doesnt matter.

[burnt dune]

so glass is okay since front fans dont need to go that way anyway

so fans + glass is bad

but if you dont have any front fans then its okay

[timber granite]

its not ideal. with something like the 4000X/5000X, its probably fine

but it is better to have mesh/perforation like the D series

[south pike]

How does this post have 3600 messages

[timber granite]

dont even start

if youre not here to help, leave

[tacit magnet]

shoo

[timber granite]

im sick and tired of people popping in just to complain about the message count or some shit like that

seriously. leave now

[tacit magnet]

lol

[burnt dune]

reminds me of that bojack horseman episode

"are you the horse from horsin around?"

[burnt dune]

but you dont think a glass side panel would inhibit the side fans if it has any?

[timber granite]

oh it would, but few cases have side fans and glass

[tacit magnet]

goated ass show

[burnt dune]

cause tbh side fans are really just boosted front fans cause they intake and add more air to the already coming front intake fans

[burnt dune]

ong it is

i love it. and ive watched it twice i think

[tacit magnet]

damn we agree on something

[burnt dune]

ik im wrong now, but ive never met you before

[tacit magnet]

damn

you forgot me

[burnt dune]

i guess i forgot

[tacit magnet]

oh

its cuz i changed name

[burnt dune]

OH

[timber granite]

you changed literally everything about your profile

[burnt dune]

is this woopy lmao

[tacit magnet]

nope

[timber granite]

medic

[tacit magnet]

youve blocked me like 5 times

[burnt dune]

OHHH

[tacit magnet]

[burnt dune]

i unblocked everyone

but the vanlife server banned me

[tacit magnet]

lol

was it a reddit server?

[burnt dune]

yeah

[tacit magnet]

reddit servers are fucking idiots

[burnt dune]

honestly. my server has more than them so like idk

i dont even care that much

[tacit magnet]

every reddit server ive been in ive gotten banned or left from stupidity

my friend got banned for recommending the wrong thing and we expained to him and he got perm banned

[burnt dune]

its one of those, where an admin just didnt like my personality + attitude

[tacit magnet]

yeah

[burnt dune]

but like, you gotta make it at least fair for everyone

[tacit magnet]

admins are power hungry in reddit servers

[burnt dune]

THEY ARE LOL

my server has 1000+ and i did it all with no admins or mods

cause like im scared of getting the wrong people

[tacit magnet]

yeah lol

anyways what you at now pc wise

[timber granite]

Dream, what do you think of the montech air 903 max

[burnt dune]

just a case

[burnt dune]

i like it tbh

what about the 903 base?

[timber granite]

its a really good case and you wont be disappointed, aesthetically speaking

[timber granite]

the only difference is 1 fewer fan and all regular pwm fans. it also doesnt have a fan controller

Jayztwocents recommends the max because of the extra fan, the rgb, and the fan controller

[burnt dune]

i agree

ive noticed a lot of cases have minimal alternatives which is nice to have

for people who want it

im scared of going RGB tho

[timber granite]

why

[burnt dune]

im still worried about emi tbh i dont know how much it makes a big deal

[timber granite]

you can just turn it off

[burnt dune]

like is RGB everything bad? or just slightly bad

[burnt dune]

OHH

[timber granite]

lol you didnt know that??

[timber granite]

depends on how you like it

[burnt dune]

so that means RGB is just extra money for the option

and it allows you to go minimal if you wanted

and it allows you to go super optimal if you wanted by avoiding emi

[timber granite]

or in the case (hehe) of the montech air 903, you get rgb and a fan hub for usually $5-$10 more

[timber granite]

its not a big deal

[tacit magnet]

lmfao

[tacit magnet]

this is fuckin funny

[timber granite]

Literally how did you not know that

Anyway, dream, montech air 903 max = overall best case for you. Now I gtg now, gn y’all

It might be kinda big for a van, but you can stick it on the wall or something

[burnt dune]

lol ig it is p funny

so DRGB and ARGB are the same thing for sure i think

night

also, how much airflow and cooling matters or do i need??

i know more is always better but like for what?

cause if the gpus on the 4090s are overbuilt, that means they will always be cooled perfectly

and if the cpu has a good cpu cooler aio or air, then bad airflow wouldnt make or break a 7950x3d i dont think

[timber granite]

It’s only cooled perfectly if there is air being supplied. That’s why case ventilation is so important and why the h510i is an ass case

[burnt dune]

isnt the h510 glass

i thought it was ass becuase of the glass

[timber granite]

No, the front panel is solid and the only intake is like a 1” slit on the back side panel

The perforation seen here

thats why it’s ass

A glass side panel literally means nothing for airflow

[burnt dune]

oh

[timber granite]

The h510i elite has a glass front panel

[burnt dune]

yeah i didnt know

is the elite bad

[timber granite]

I wouldn’t recommend it for the same reasons I wouldn’t recommend the regular

Also the fact that it’s more expensive than the air 903 max and is functionally worse in every way

Last thing I’ll say for real this time
Get the montech air 903 max. It’s the overall best case for you :D

[burnt dune]

but like as long as the 4090 stays below 80C itll be fine

so like is there any point for going 60C on the 4090

or 50C

or colder than that

[timber granite]

The cooler the better

[burnt dune]

yeah cause the distance from 50C and 80C is a comfy 30C

but like

[timber granite]

So filling the front of your case with fans is ideal

[burnt dune]

anything else

[timber granite]

Hence the air 903 max

[burnt dune]

ik about optimal rad placement

idk anything about case fans tbh

[timber granite]

And with a 240 on the top for the cpu (and an air cooled gpu), case airflow would be golden

[timber granite]

If you’re buying them:

[burnt dune]

wdym if im buying them

[timber granite]

But with the air 903 max and an aio, you have all the fans you need so no reason to buy

[timber granite]

👆

[burnt dune]

do you just mean how some cases come with fans

why is that

why do some cases not come with fans

[timber granite]

That’s what the manufacturer decided to do it

[burnt dune]

okayy

[timber granite]

Usually it’s because they expect the buyer to get their own fans based on their aesthetics

That’s what I think anyway

[burnt dune]

so same with like included / excluded psus

[timber granite]

Most Include psus are ass, and you won’t find any modern cases with an included psu

[burnt dune]

so then, where are the best placed case fans and honestly wtf is this even

[timber granite]

Wdym best placed fans

[burnt dune]

like im guessing front case fans are the best / strongest or something

so a case without front case fans is kind of going to need to do something since thats the spot to compete with cases that do have front case fans im guessing

[timber granite]

Having positive pressure (more intake than exhaust) and an airflow pattern of front/side to back/top is the go to

[timber granite]

That would probably be either ancient or have them on the side

[timber granite]

Also wdym “wtf is this even”

[burnt dune]

ik about pressure,

[burnt dune]

the 1 in slit on the h500

[timber granite]

H510

[burnt dune]

intake is positive right?

[timber granite]

Idk it looks cool to some people

[timber granite]

??

[burnt dune]

exhaust is negative?

[timber granite]

Intake is intake. Where the air enters the case

No

Positive means there is more air being pushed into the case than being pulled out. It keeps dust from getting in through the cracks, like the rear panel for example

[burnt dune]

no i mean what is it, like is it a fan

yeah so positive is intake

negative is exhaust

[timber granite]

Negative air pressure means more air is being pulled out than being pushed in, meaning air will enter the cracks

[burnt dune]

how would more intake = less dust

[timber granite]

Because the air is being pushed out of the cracks

Keeping dust from entering unfiltered holes

[burnt dune]

what cracks

[timber granite]

Don’t compare those. Intake doesn’t not mean “positive”

[burnt dune]

how does it not mean positive

if you have more intake fans thats a positive pressure

[timber granite]

Panel gaps, the holes in the rear panel, etc

[timber granite]

No it’s the intake for the fans that are behind the solid panel

[burnt dune]

so intake is positive. a negative pressure case that adds 1 intake fan is adding a little more positive and becoming slightly less negative

[timber granite]

Pressure

But intake does not mean simply “positive”

[burnt dune]

i dont get the point you are trying to make

[timber granite]

Intake is intake, not positive

When referring to pressure, more intake is positive, less intake is negative

[burnt dune]

yeah but intake makes it positive

[timber granite]

more intake

[burnt dune]

i already know that

i just couldnt remember which one was positive or negative

[timber granite]

Ok, I think you understand now

I just don’t want you to get the wrong idea about something

Anyway, how close are you on choosing a case

[burnt dune]

closer

is there any reason to have a 50C gpu vs a 70C gpu

like what happens

what is the lower temps used for

[candid salmon]

Let's it boost better but a gou at 70 won't throttle either

If the price difference is huge I'd go for the hotter card

[covert gorge]

this would be pointless considering the size that usb C is to begin with

[covert gorge]

this would make said usb useless as he magnet would overpower the connection as you wouldn't be avle to use the same voltage at the same current ratings

[covert gorge]

technically usb C can already do that without changing size, considering DP-alt and HDMI-alt can be done through it if configured on a gpu/mobo

[covert gorge]

if it goes into a van it'll be fucked up before she knows it

[covert gorge]

nothing comsumer wise if we're talking gpu's

[covert gorge]

there's 12v ARGB and 5v RGB also if someone tries to do it via cheap led strips

[covert gorge]

front of the case being solid is the worst but if it's going in a van, i wouldn't use a case with a glass side

[covert gorge]

personally skip the controller and get a 3rd party one, they're cheap enough as it is dude

[covert gorge]

it does this at idle, not when under load, and gaming will push it to hotter temps, i.e 60-80c

[covert gorge]

nope, but a case without fans is cheaper as it allows you to put in the fans you want without you having to swap the shitty basic DC/molex fans out

[covert gorge]

nah, there's many modern ones that doesn't include a crappy DC/molex fan

[covert gorge]

no case is fully airtight

[covert gorge]

longevity of the gpu, lower chances of overheating and thermal throttling once it goes past thermal throttle temps due to the larger thermal gap for it to rise to said thermal throttle temps

[burnt dune]

should i investigate this???

280k mileage

[covert gorge]

if it's not getting fuel, it's either blocked fuel lines, dead pump or a blown fuse for the pump

2 easier fixes is pump/fuse

the more annoying and longer fix is the fuel line replacement

i'd sooner pay a little more for one without issues like this if i was you

[burnt dune]

what does he mean its not getting fuel

[covert gorge]

literally the engine is getting starved of fuel

and i pointed out the 3 common issues for it

[burnt dune]

oh so like. it gets some fuel but some of it. its not getting. so like a fuel bottleneck

[covert gorge]

not a bottleneck

it's basically getting either fumes or no fuel at all

[burnt dune]

which is
#1 blocked fuel line
#2 dead pump
#3 blown pump fuse

[covert gorge]

which like i said, pump/fuel line/fuse for pump

easiest check is the fuse first

then pump

then fuel line

[burnt dune]

so the fuel from the cap is just not going to the engine

and this is fixable?

it looks amazing tbh

[covert gorge]

fuck no, that's going into the tank

[burnt dune]

ohh gas / diesel doesnt go to the engine?

[covert gorge]

yes but it's either a 1 minute fix (fuse replacement) or a couple hours fix (replacing the whole fuel line

[burnt dune]

thats not so bad.

so a blown fuse would be the easy one like you said. a cheap $100 fix?

[covert gorge]

though a fuel line replacement, you might as well pump out the fuel tank first and give it a check over to make sure it's not gunked up to cause the fuel line blockage

[covert gorge]

a cheap $1 fix

fuel pump is more of a $60-200

[burnt dune]

okayyy

[covert gorge]

and fuel line is $30 or so for a length of pipe

[burnt dune]

so you seem to know a good amount about cars

would you say you know more about computers or more about cars?

this is the guy. i wonder if i should trust this

[covert gorge]

more about computers

[burnt dune]

thats fair

[covert gorge]

but cars are just as easy as a computer is for any guy

[burnt dune]

they are really similar

vanlife is kind of the exact same as building a computer tbh

[covert gorge]

nope, male mindset vs female mindset

[burnt dune]

just gotta learn the parts

[covert gorge]

male mindset = object orientated, female mindset = people orientated

thought there are outliers for both

[burnt dune]

its giving con man tho too instead of man down on his luck and trapped in ohio

but if the fix is only about $200 thats honestly fine

[covert gorge]

https://www.amazon.com/JOREST-300Pcs-Assortment-Automotive-Standard/dp/B0BMGBBPTT fuses for inside a car, both mini-blade and normal blade fuses

[burnt dune]

its so cute

do these actually work tho or are they just for show

like do you just plug them in and it works?

[covert gorge]

yes

[burnt dune]

oh wow

[covert gorge]

all different values

if it's a blown fuse then you replace it in the fuse box

if the fuse blows again then there's a short happening

[burnt dune]

like you just take the fuse out? with your hands or will it hurt me?

do i use pliers

[covert gorge]

in which you get a multimeter an test power connections

[burnt dune]

and then i just push it in no problem?

[covert gorge]

pliers are a good way though most fuse boxes come with a fuse puller

different styles but something like this should be in a fuse box

[burnt dune]

so the blown fuse #3 problem could turn into a #4 shorting problem?

[covert gorge]

it can but that could be down to wear and tear with the cables protection

[burnt dune]

so if its a shorting problem how much does that cost

[covert gorge]

with any vehicle a multimeter is your best friend

[burnt dune]

what is a multimeter?

[covert gorge]

depends on where it's shorting, it could be an easy cut out and solder+ heatshrink job, or could be a cable replacement

[burnt dune]

so #4 shorting problem could be either 1 of 2 things

#4a easy cutout and solder and heatsink job
#4b cable replacement

how much is 4a and 4b?

[covert gorge]

https://www.amazon.com/Plusivo-Digital-Multimeter-Measuring-Resistance/dp/B086Q4PKYT/ <- multimeter

[burnt dune]

does this mean it cant drive btw? cause i need to know if i can drive it to the place or if i have to tow it

[covert gorge]

$5 ish repair for 4a
with the cost of the apropiate gauge cable + connectors, probably $15-20

[covert gorge]

with a fuel issue it would need towing

[burnt dune]

what if the fuel issue isnt that bad. is there a chance it can drive a little bit

[covert gorge]

fueling issue = non-starter/non-runner

[burnt dune]

oh so it wont start either

[covert gorge]

nope, it needs fixing before driving

[covert gorge]

no fuel to engine = no starting

[burnt dune]

its gasoline too

which i like tbh

is the 280k sus

2012 seems like a good year to me

[covert gorge]

it's a shuttle bus, you will need to check the under carriage and sub chassis

[burnt dune]

what is a sub chassis.

ik chassis for pcs is a case

[covert gorge]

it's what the chassis of the vehicle is attached to

[burnt dune]

oh like the main frame?

[covert gorge]

yes

[burnt dune]

with like the wheel skeleton

[covert gorge]

yes

it feels like you've lived to much of a sheltered life

[burnt dune]

im motivated to check but dont know anything

my dad never taught me anything about cars

i dont have a family anymore

so how do i get under there lol?

[covert gorge]

get on your knees and look under it?

there's enough clearance there that you could scooch under it

[burnt dune]

so crawl?

like on the ground

in the middle of public?

[burnt dune]

i can fit under there?? like my body?

[covert gorge]

yup

[burnt dune]

but what if the angle is bad and i cant see it or see what i need to see

[covert gorge]

yup, for inspecting under it, should be enough room

[covert gorge]

your phone has a light

[burnt dune]

what if he kills me while im inspecting it

also what do i look for while under there

[covert gorge]

go with a friend obviously

[burnt dune]

oh i um

[covert gorge]

rust, rot, see if it's had underseal put on it for protection,

[burnt dune]

i dont have any friends like that

i could get another stranger to go with me like magic tho

[burnt dune]

whats the difference between rust and rot

[covert gorge]

level of penetration

we covered this earlier

[burnt dune]

oh you just mean penetrating rust = rot

[burnt dune]

whats underseal?

wouldnt underseal be a good thing?

[covert gorge]

rot = when pentrationg rust is so bad, a sneeze would make it full appart to dust

[covert gorge]

protective paint used on the undercarriage and subframe to protect against rust

it is a good thing but some can put it on to hide any issues

[burnt dune]

sub frame = sub chassis right?

so like the sub in this case (get it chassis) means under or below.

[covert gorge]

yup

[burnt dune]

is the subframe the same as the undercarriage

or is the undercarriage a special place

[covert gorge]

nope, undercarriage is a general term to cover the underside of a vehicle

[burnt dune]

oh so like the very miniscule parts of the chassis and the tires are included in the term undercarriage along with the frame and exhauste pipe

where as the frame is an actual part

[covert gorge]

yup

[burnt dune]

undercarriage is the general area

okayy

so basically just look at tge undercarriage for rust

[covert gorge]

signs of rust and where it is

[burnt dune]

oh okay so if i see the sealant what do i do

expect that its rust?

[covert gorge]

little taps just to see if it's covering rust or not

[burnt dune]

i can see some rust here

[covert gorge]

yup and those will need to be sorted

[burnt dune]

sorted how do you mean

[covert gorge]

sanding/wire brush, rust converter, primer, mid coat then clear coat

which i explained way earlier

[burnt dune]

okay so what does mechanic special mean?

[burnt dune]

but only if its surface rust right?

[burnt dune]

how much are all of these things

[covert gorge]

requires a new engine completely

also means rewiring the harness for the new engine

[covert gorge]

couple dollars to 30+ dollars

[burnt dune]

okay np

[burnt dune]

is that what mechanic special means or is that the situation for this gmc

[covert gorge]

both essentially

cracked block = new engine block needed

and tbf this is something like a 3-4 day job for a hobbiest to do

for a professional mechanic, probably a 10-20 hour job roughly

as it involve a front end removal, disconnecting the engine form everything, hoisting the engine out, hoisting a new engine in, reconnecting it all up, bleed through/priming the fuel line to the engine, front end being put back on, and starting it back up and testing it out

and i'm just summarising the process there

[burnt dune]

well i dont want the 2nd one

im talking about the first one

cause they both say mechanic special

oh okay

[covert gorge]

this is the only one saying that so far and i've just told you the issues and summary of what will be needed to do

[burnt dune]

at first when the $1500 one said mechanic special i thought that as con phrasing

but its actually just full disclosure

so maybe that guy is just telling the truth

[covert gorge]

you'd be better off getting one that is in perfect working order for yourself

[burnt dune]

but maybe he's wrong and its not just the fuel issue

[covert gorge]

and learn from it before stepping in to one that has larger issues

[burnt dune]

im having issues finding any tbh

so is it better to have a super old year like 1980 but super low miles like 50k or 20k mileage?

or is it better to have a newer / newish year but like super high miles like 250k or 300k mileage?

[covert gorge]

newer one with lower mileage

like i said, within the last 20 years at 100-150k

[burnt dune]

that wasnt an option tho

im asking which is better

A) old + low mileage

OR

B) newish + high mileage

[burnt dune]

so ig mercedes benz E350 is not the same at all

[burnt grove]

Express vans are 10/10 good vehicles iffff they have been taken care of

[covert gorge]

seems department of transport for america, not so much

[burnt dune]

ive heard good things

im really interested in econoline right now tho

im not getting a transit, sprinter, or a promaster because they are too expensive for what i want to do.

i could probably make it work, but that would start to get tight and my whole methodology is to basically spend nothing on this first van because the idea is that im going to basically save up for the big van right away

so like right after i get this van, im going to try to move out again

asap

back then im guessing the transit sprinter and promaster were more affordable and introductory but all the people who drive them know they can make a pretty penny off of them now and after covid and everything they are just inflated.

[burnt dune]

that $1500 E450 sold within 10 hours

im glad i jumped on it as soon as i saw it

im sad that he didnt choose me

[burnt dune]

are there any black friday deals going on now

also what are the "super cards"

[tacit magnet]

wdym

[timber granite]

Nvidia’s new super cards are just faster versions of the regular. It’s unclear exactly what the performance will be and what the price will be I think

[burnt grove]

From the leaks: 3-5% @ 4080, ~15% @ 4070, ~10% @ 4070 ti

[burnt dune]

yeah i ended up looking more, the supers are negligible to me

neat tho

[timber granite]

There isn’t a 4090 super so they’re not helpful

[burnt dune]

what is the "lian li virus"

[timber granite]

Probably Buying a lianli case because you see it online and you think it looks cool

[burnt dune]

oh i thought lian li was good tho

[timber granite]

It is

It’s just way overused

[burnt dune]

gotcha

[burnt grove]

40 series is kinda a wash for normal consumers

Same with rdna 3 tho

Just doesn’t seem as bad

[covert gorge]

rx 7000 series is a waste due to power draws

40 series tbh only valid for 4080+ for performance but only if you're upgrading from 20 series or older

[burnt dune]

whats rdna 3?

should i go for this

[burnt grove]

The architecture of Radeon 7000 series amd gpus

[burnt grove]

Rusted through and a rusty frame id probably pass tbh

Not something you’d wanna live in and daily without some serious TLC

[burnt grove]

I got the 7900 xtx and wish I woulda just got a 3090 ti or 6950 xt tbh

[burnt dune]

so yeah he is up front about it, BUT it looks like surface rust only tbh

i could get under there and start scrubbing.

[burnt grove]

I’d have a look at it in person before I bought it tbh. If you have someone you know is a mechanic or has a decent understanding of vehicles I’d take them to look it over to see if you’re getting a good deal and it it’s worth spending money on

[burnt dune]

tbh no

i have no one

[burnt grove]

Ripppp

[burnt dune]

except my cat

[burnt grove]

Rip

[burnt dune]

i can show you tho

[burnt grove]

Sure that works. Ask them if they can send you more detailed pictures of the worst rusted areas

[burnt dune]

if its too small on desktop discord, open in browser

[burnt grove]

That’s pretty rough idk about it

I’m in mobile

[burnt dune]

what part is that anyway

[burnt grove]

Frame damage

[burnt dune]

oh just the frame?

[burnt grove]

That’s the most important part lol

[burnt dune]

so thats not the exhaust pipe / muffler

[burnt grove]

Nooo lol

[burnt dune]

is the muffler the same thing as the exhaust pipe?

[burnt grove]

Sorta. It dampens the sound of the exhaust notes

It’s inline with the exhaust pipe

[burnt dune]

ohh okay so the muffler is something else apart of the exhaust pipe

or the exhaust pipe system

[burnt grove]

Yea it’s just part of it the exhaust system it helps muffle the sound of the engine to make it more tolerable

Without a muffler it would be so loud and ear piercing you wouldn’t wanna drive it

[burnt dune]

i dont think thats a hole tho actually

[burnt grove]

Looks like a hole butttt idk

Either way it’s very rough

I’d keep looking to see if you can find something a bit better

[burnt dune]

so rougher rust = worse

[burnt grove]

Yes

[burnt dune]

or more bubbly?

[burnt grove]

Does your state have state vehicle inspections?

Cause there’s no way that would pass

[burnt dune]

could i sand it down and do what rauko says and then for the holes can i weld it together?

[burnt grove]

Yesss but be warned that can be alotttt of work and a lot of money invested

And depending on how bad it is it may not be worth the time invested

Because sometimes you can sand past the bad parts only to discover worse damage under degraded frame

I believe you’re gonna end up spending a couple thousand to fix that If not more