looking for a relatively small case

[burnt dune]

its the case with the neptune and waterforce too

but this is my guess too, the coper plate doesnt seem to cool the vram very well at all

hitting upwards of like 80C

isnt that like

not safe / awful?

[timber granite]

It’s not terrible, but Lower temps is better

Their bad temp is like 100C

[burnt dune]

but when i researched it said gpus should stay below 80C and anything above that is dangerous / oc

[timber granite]

For the die itself

[burnt dune]

or does it depend on each part / like is it different for each aib

[timber granite]

The vram is different

[timber granite]

Not for aib’s because they all use the same components

[burnt dune]

like would the suprim liquid x have different temp maxes than the rog strix oc

[timber granite]

But it is different for each part. For example, you want the power delivery basically as cool as possible

[burnt dune]

okay so then would a 4090 have different temp maxes compared to a 3090ti?

[timber granite]

No

[timber granite]

Not really

It’s usually like 82 for the die

[burnt dune]

yknow how ram has different dies? what memory ics do the 4090s use?

[covert gorge]

because the coldplate and pump are over the gpu core, and the vram is air cooled

[burnt dune]

so is the temp max not 80C for vram

[timber granite]

It’s 120 I think

[covert gorge]

no, vram temps can be higher than the core

max on core before thermal shutdown is 100-115c, max on vram is 120-125c

thermal throttle temps on both cpu and gpu is 95-100c

[timber granite]

I thought Most gpus will throttle at 80-90

[covert gorge]

though if vram hits 120c you will see thermal throttling of the gpu

[covert gorge]

nope, like a cpu they can hit 90c without thermal throttling

it's just much nicer on the system to keep it all at 80c or below

[timber granite]

So they’re set to throttle at 80?

[covert gorge]

nope

[timber granite]

Oh

Ok

[covert gorge]

on cpu or gpu you need to measure the difference between hotspot and the outer edge of the core

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x/3.html tear down of the 4090 liquid suprim btw

one of the few gpu's with an aio that does cool the vram with the coldplate, most don't do this and just cool the core with the coldplate

[timber granite]

@burnt dune can you decide on a case. The p200a is the best for your build. You can paint it yourself like all cases.

[covert gorge]

*** if she goes itx

frankly it would be more wiser if she went mATX

[burnt dune]

yeah i might do matx

but even atx cases are fine if they are around 40L

[burnt dune]

does vram throttle at 95 too?

[timber granite]

No, 120-125

[burnt dune]

that's what ive researched, but why 80 and below and not 90 and below?

[burnt dune]

isnt that shutdown. not throttle

[timber granite]

If so then subtract like 5-10c

[burnt dune]

so throttle is lke 110 then?

for the 4090

[timber granite]

For vram in general

[burnt dune]

so not different aibs,
not different chipsets or different gpus or different cpus or different models of the same part
but

different parts entirely and also
different points of measurement.

so core has a shutdown and throttle
hot spot has a shutdown and throttle
vram has a shutdown and throttle

im guessing for cpus

they also have a
shutdown and throttle for different points of measurement but not really different cpus?

[timber granite]

Yeah I guess

[burnt dune]

but for each point of measure on the cpu, those are also different from gpus because they arent the same part

its just a conincidence that cpus are below 80C too

[timber granite]

80C is the recommended limit to set your fan curve for

And no, gpus and cpus are not measured differently. They’re basically the same, but gpus have way more cores

And are geared toward graphics processing, instead of general processing

GPU — Graphics Processing Unit
CPU — Central Processing Unit

[covert gorge]

at 90c you risk going into thermal throttle temps quickly, at 80c it's gives the system a bit of time to compensate before even hitting thermal throttle temps

[covert gorge]

nope, vram will still be working at 120c, just slowly cooking to death (aka what rtx 3090 vram did)

the only difference currently is with 7000 series ryzens it's got a newer thermal algorithm that instead of straight away thermal throttling at 95c, it can boost and still run at 95c as if it was nothing

literally do 95c 24/7/365(366)

[covert gorge]

it would be still at that tbh

@burnt dune on 30 series nvidia cards, specifically the 3080 it was found out that the vram was running at up to 20c hotter than the core, and with the way a 3090 was setup you needed an activer cooling backplate ot needed to mod the backplate with an extra heatsink to reduce the temps of the vram on the back of the card

so for the 3080, if the core was doing 80c under load, the vram would potentially be doing 100c instead

[timber granite]

Hey Rauko, If dream does go matx, what would be a good respective case

[covert gorge]

to many to count tbh dude,

fractal would be a good starting point

phanteks definitely has a fair few

and then there's corsair's newer case, the 3000d AF

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/pc-cases/cc-9011252-ww/3000d-tempered-glass-mid-tower-white-cc-9011252-ww

mid tower ATX but easily do an mATX mobo in it without it looking out of place

another would be something like a deepcool ch370

[timber granite]

Smol 4000D

[candid salmon]

Isn't there a 2000d?

It's p tall about the height of a normal atx case irrc but it has a small footprint

[covert gorge]

https://uk.deepcool.com/products/Cases/fulltowercases/CH560-DIGITAL-WH-Airflow-Case-With-Status-Screen/2023/17179.shtml

[covert gorge]

think that's more for itx

it's also not viable for dual aio

https://uk.deepcool.com/products/Cases/fulltowercases/CH370-Micro-ATX-Case/2022/15956.shtml

love this

she could spray the metalwork pink still but it has built in temp gauges

easily dual aio, especially with that liquid suprim

[timber granite]

Yeah that’s itx

[covert gorge]

https://uk.deepcool.com/products/Cases/fulltowercases/CH370-WH-Micro-ATX-Case-White/2022/15957.shtml

https://uk.deepcool.com/products/Cases/fulltowercases/CG560-Airflow-Mid-Tower-ATX-Case/2021/13534.shtml <- i can only remember the number for this case by nicknaming it the csgo case

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wvmmP6/montech-air-100-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-air-100-argb-white <- cheap case but it's a surprisingly good quality case

[timber granite]

Montech FTW

[covert gorge]

said case but sadly extensions and not full custom cables

[candid salmon]

The cooler tho

[covert gorge]

arctic, though apppears to be a 10th gen build

[burnt dune]

do all cases have a "filter"

apparently some have a dust and debris filter

[burnt dune]

and that's not even throttle temp?

[burnt dune]

i remembered learning this, but wasnt sure what it meant at the time.

[burnt dune]

im saying the gpu and cpu have different throttle temps and different shutdown temps. but right now they are basically the same. afaik.

[covert gorge]

nope not even throttling temp on the core itself but with the vram running hotter it could end up thermal throttling on that at times

[burnt dune]

i just dont remember what measuring points the cpu does.

ik the gpu does

gpu (core)
hotspot
memory (vram)

[covert gorge]

on the cpu

[burnt dune]

whats the difference between gddr6 and vram

or is gddr6 just the type of vram it uses

[covert gorge]

on the gpu i'm using, the naming can change between different gpu's

[covert gorge]

this

[burnt dune]

so if you were to figure out if you are going to get a pc system with good cooling performance. first you would look at the gpu and cpu.

you would look at the cooling performance of the cpu + cpu cooler combo (air or water) and see if it is colder than its throttle temps

then you would look at the cooling performance of the gpu / video card housing and see if it is colder than its throttle temps

then you would look at the cooling performance of the ssd / hdd and the ram to see if the heatsink is good enough so that its colder than their throttle temps.

then i guess you could check the mobo's cooling performance to see if its below its throttle temp.

and then possible the airflow itself, but im not sure how you would test that, though i think it should be about 20 C.

and then maybe check to see if the psu is below its throttle temp

does anything come before the throttle temp

shutdown temp is the last leg

the absolute max

throttle is performance drops so ideally, stay below those temps too.

[cloud totem]

nothing happens before throttling

[cloud totem]

unless you have a gen 5 ssd, you only look at the temps of cpu and gpu..

[burnt dune]

and then, i already know that none of the parts really fuse their temps together and you dont look at some overall system temp to judge the cooling performance. instead you look at each part individually and judge it that way.

and then ik that airflow is important cause it will change cooling efficiency of each part. like if it was for just 1 part, it might not be that big of a deal, but airflow and having good airflow literally change the cooling performance of each of your parts by a couple degrees. im guessing like up to 5 C each. but idk. maybe its even more like up to 10 C each or something. but at the end airflow itself doesnt have a throttle temp or shutdown temp, it's just how cold your case air is basically. and colder case air = better overall cooling for all parts.

and then ik environment / external air isnt a huge factor but mostly an afterthought. it could change the temp by about 1 C scaled linearly for every degree it is hotter outside of the case or something like that. im not sure how much that ends up being, but not that much if it's like 100 F out and your case is like 20 C airflow with parts all below 80 C. so you probably get a net 0 C gain in heat on that since 100 F outside isnt really hot enough to effect anything.

if anything environment would probably impact a poor airflow setup the most. and probably targets airflow the most, not the actual parts. and could potentially bring that 20 - 25 C airflow temp a little higher to 23 - 28 C. but im not sure.

[burnt dune]

i do, so a baseline is needed for understanding

so knowing all this now

im looking at the 7950x3d again, it says it's max supported temp is 89 C

and then looking at the 4090 again, it says it's max supported temp is 84 C

but then it also says the throttle temp is 84 C

[cloud totem]

not like youre ever gonna reach 84C..

[burnt dune]

so it is the max then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZEfTVrhHs4

i could do this

https://formdworks.com/collections/t1-1/products/t1-sandwich-kit-titanium-color

https://www.aquatuning.com/en/water-cooling/gpu-water-blocks/gpu-full-cover/eisblock-gpx/30379/alphacool-es-geforce-rtx-4090-reference-design-with-backplate?c=7187

its smaller than the suprim liquid x and cools better imo

[covert gorge]

20c assumes the room's ambient temp is that tbh

[covert gorge]

not if it's going in a van

[covert gorge]

no where in this does it say throttle temps = 84c

[burnt grove]

thinking of doing a watercooled build in this soon

Saw it a few days ago and loved it

[burnt dune]

might be getting the van tomorrow actually

its a 1988 F350 ambulance with 27000 mileage

for $2500

i wonder if i should go for that or not

[timber granite]

Why does that matter?

[burnt dune]

rauko wanted me to post that

earlier discussion

[burnt dune]

why not tho

[covert gorge]

vibrations from the van transferring into it, there is also when moving around you'd be agitating the coolant itself

[burnt dune]

isnt just a diy aio

[covert gorge]

nope

[burnt dune]

its not really an open loop

[covert gorge]

that's essentially what a custom loop is

you would have to take into consideration the pipes and fittings

[burnt dune]

i think it's just the tubes and the rad on the alphacool

no pump res

the fittings on just the ones for the tubes to insert into the card

[covert gorge]

on the eisblock there is no fittings, you would have to add them, and with that you would have to buy a pump + res combo as well as a radiator

eisblock = waterblock for gpu's nothing else

the eisblock for the gpu you want

[burnt dune]

eisblock what is that

im talking about alphacool

you dont need a pump or a res for that

it's just the gpu + the rad

[covert gorge]

yes, and eisblock is the name for their waterblocks

[burnt dune]

oh

[covert gorge]

no

[covert gorge]

what you linked

[burnt dune]

should i go for this van

[covert gorge]

fair bit of room in that, and the price is good for the mileage

this is known as the eiswolf, specifically the one i took the image from is for the 4090 suprim

now this is an aio for a gpu

there is a pump built into the waterblock there

if you notice, it's using a 360mm rad

this knocks out using any itx build in general

it also stops you from using alot of mATX cases

this is also the only aio that can be combined with their aio for the cpu also known as the eisbaer

the 3 different pumps for eisbaer's

[burnt grove]

Fair warning with that old of a vehicle you could be looking at some serious issues later down the line with aging hoses and wires If the vehicle wasn’t properly stored and maintained

And even still they will just deteriorate overtime so there’s a good chance you could run into spending a lot of money fixing stuff even if it was stored in an enclosed place for the past 30 years and the gas was drained and the fuel system was cleaned

[lunar night]

Why spend $2500, if youre spending $25,000 on a computer?

get something nicer that'll last longer eh

around the $30k range

it'll be bigger, more comfortable

less maintaincen

[tacit magnet]

pokey has a point

[lunar night]

[tacit magnet]

smart

[timber granite]

What? No

[tacit magnet]

your just a hater

[lunar night]

he is a hater, dream legit told him to stfu and get the f outta here, and, he's still here

[tacit magnet]

fr

[timber granite]

Not a hater, you’re both just classified as trolls

I do agree that she should spend more than $2500, but not 12x that price

[desert crow]

why are there so many people in here?

[desert crow]

average more expensive = better type of individual

[timber granite]

People popping in just to complain or comment about the message count/time it’s taking

[desert crow]

just added one more myself eh?

[timber granite]

Hmm, maybe

[lunar night]

Why not 12x that price?

Heh?

Thats like telling a billionare, to eat like a college student who can barely afford to live

Like no, it makes absolutely no sense

[lunar night]

not really ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[desert crow]

why overspend on something you don't need?

I would rather overspend on a want, such as a 1988 F350 Ambulance

[snow niche]

Damn the thread si still going on

At this point am just impressed lmao

[timber granite]

no its not. dream is not a billionair. and ive said this many times. just because there's an unlimited budget doesnt mean you should try to spend as much as possible

[lunar night]

That is quite literally saying, just because I have money doesn’t mean I need to donate it away

You’re giving yourself more comforts by spending it

Why not spend it?

Esp on a used ambulance vs a nice van

Day and night differences

[tacit magnet]

😔

[timber granite]

donating has literally nothing to do with this

[timber granite]

there's literally no reason to spend 30k on a van

[lunar night]

Why not?

[lunar night]

Analogies not sure if you ever learned them

[timber granite]

its a shit analogy, because donating is as different as you can be from building yourself a van setup

[lunar night]

That’s the point of analogies

Its a dramatic take on it with the same point

[timber granite]

giant waste of money

[lunar night]

Out of curiosity what car do you own?

[timber granite]

i dont have a car, but i know you dont need to spend 30k to get a good car

[lunar night]

Interesting, someone who doesn’t even own a car, has an opinion on that 30k is too much for a car

What’s the proof in there?

[timber granite]

you can spend 30k on a car if you want, but you dont need to

thats my point

and will you stfu about proof holy shit

[lunar night]

And what says that?

Proof?

I mean you don’t even have a car idk if you have e anything to back this up

[timber granite]

what car do you have

[lunar night]

Does it matter? Not really in this situation

[timber granite]

im asking out of curiosity, just like you

the price might be different for vans actually, but for an actual car, you dont need to spend 30k

[lunar night]

So you don’t know? How interesting

[lunar night]

Look at prices of a normal SUV, then look at prices of sedans etc

Compare the price to comfort

And that’ll be a little bit less than vans

[desert crow]

"you should spend money because I want you to!!"

no one cares

let them make their own decision

[lunar night]

“You should not spend money cus I can’t”

[lunar night]

No one cares

[lunar night]

Let them close the thread make there own decisions

[covert gorge]

10k would be more than enough for spending on a van that's more newer, , over that you're just buying an already converted vehicle

[lunar night]

Mercedes sprinters go for about $30k

Unless you go all the way back 2010, then it’s around $11k

Not sure what budget you’re looking at

[covert gorge]

meanwhile, you keep forgetting she don't want a merc

and she could get a ford transit from 5-10k quite easily

[timber granite]

spending money just because you can is a terrible financial decision

and telling someone else to do so shows how good your money management skills are....

[burnt epoch]

Fr

[lunar night]

Spending money cus I can and afford too, isn’t a terrible financial decision

It’s only a bad decision if you can’t afford too

[lunar night]

Must be good, if I can afford it

[timber granite]

…..🤦

[winged kite]

how have we made zero progress

[burnt dune]

ive been in the middle of buying this van potentially

it's an ambulance

plus halloween

[burnt epoch]

Dude…. Why are you always trolling

[burnt epoch]

Yay hope this goes well 🤞

[long oriole]

isnt halloween gone tho?

[covert gorge]

for some it's all year around

[covert gorge]

feels like they've got a hard on for dream, and want for her to just waste money

[burnt epoch]

Yeah seems like it and he’s always arguing with people for zero reason then saying “I won the argument”

It’s really annoying

So back to helping dream are we still on case? (Sorry I haven’t been active here much in a couple days)

[covert gorge]

a few cases have been discussed

[covert gorge]

if you do get it, you can go through a chunk of the built in cupboards and reuse them, which can save a bit of cost when it comes to converting it out

though a respray of the outside will be in order

[lunar night]

You start an argument, then complain about me trolling every time you run out of constructive criticism

Don’t want to hear it from you

[burnt epoch]

[burnt epoch]

What are the current case options?

[covert gorge]

p200a for itx primarily, lancool 216 pink, fractal design pop air (magenta one)
i've also suggested the likes of the 3000D airflow, a few deepcool ones and the montech air 100 argb

[burnt epoch]

Okay

Thanks

I feel like the p200a or 3000d would be the best option

3000d for looks p200a for dual aio support

Wait you can get dual aio in 3000d also

Kinda just depends on which dream prefers both are great options

[timber granite]

phanteks p200a for itx, Montech air 100 for matx

the 3000D is kinda ugly imo (she might like it idk tho)

[burnt epoch]

Are we not sure itx or Matx yet?

I thought itx

[timber granite]

i did too, but rauko says matx would probably be better for her. idk why tho

probably more motherboard choices or something

[burnt epoch]

Only reason is more m.2 and cable headers

And 4 ram slots

[timber granite]

eh, am5 should only have 2 dimms anyway

[burnt epoch]

Yeah

[timber granite]

but yeah, more m.2

[burnt epoch]

Am5 struggles 5400 mhz quad channel dual can do 6400

[timber granite]

6000 is better

[burnt epoch]

The other big thing is the headers for more fans and hdds because she’s planning on a hdd tho

[burnt epoch]

I mean yeah 6000 is the sweet spot but they can do 6400 in duel channel

[covert gorge]

no for this tbh

[covert gorge]

there is this, but the system can be made a fair bit cheaper comparatively

[timber granite]

although there are still not very many matx boards with 3 m.2 slots
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#f=7&c=160,161,159&E=3,7

and of course asus makes that 1 x670e board

[burnt epoch]

lol

So it’s prob a strix for $7000

[timber granite]

and the same stupid io. not very many of way too high speed usb

[burnt epoch]

That says no compatible products

[covert gorge]

you mean a rog, not a strix

[burnt epoch]

Oh it’s not strix?

[covert gorge]

because whatever build you was looking at is stored

[timber granite]

well theres strix, crosshair, zenith, maximus, and idk what else

[burnt epoch]

Yeah

[timber granite]

oh and zenith extreme

[burnt epoch]

Tuf

[timber granite]

thats not part of rog

its asus tuf and asus rog

[covert gorge]

strix isn't on the same lvel as the crosshair

[burnt epoch]

Oh I thought we were talking all Asus

[covert gorge]

asus tuf, asus rog strix and then rog

[timber granite]

oh

wonderful

just "how many cool words can we add to our naming scheme"

[burnt epoch]

Fr lol

[covert gorge]

the tuf line is asus's lowest gaming line

[burnt epoch]

Asus Rog Maximus extreme strix zenith crosshair XVIII Z790

[burnt dune]

my biggest worry with ambulances is how much of the inside can i realistically cut out. i actually dont really want ALL of the prebuilt shelving. and im worried about to what extent i am able to chainsaw or hopefuly just unscrew probably metal shelving

[burnt epoch]

511

[burnt epoch]

[timber granite]

does that exist?

[burnt dune]

the ambulance apparently comes with an inverter tho

[burnt epoch]

No that was a joke because you said this

[burnt epoch]

This

[timber granite]

oh just adding all their fancy words into one

[burnt epoch]

Yes

[covert gorge]

grinder, not chainsaw, and tbh, you could take out 90%

the framework of the units is mainly aluminium

[timber granite]

wow, am5's smaller motherboard linup is greatly lacking

[burnt epoch]

Yeah

[timber granite]

look at the sorry excuse for vrm cooling on this one

[burnt epoch]

Most good am5 boards are eatx for some reason

[burnt epoch]

Those vrms:

https://tenor.com/view/φωτιά-μ-gif-2547782084576614177

[covert gorge]

nah, there's a few matx that are rock solid, msi and asrock both have decent ones

[burnt epoch]

Yeah but for a reasonable price?

[timber granite]

only looking at the ones with 3 m.2 slots, its not great

this is a good one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GncG3C/msi-mag-b650m-mortar-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-mag-b650m-mortar-wifi

[burnt epoch]

$200 is really reasonable for a mobo actually

[timber granite]

now it is (for am5)

another good one 👍
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fFzhP6/gigabyte-b650m-aorus-elite-ax-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-aorus-elite-ax

[covert gorge]

you seen the riptide??

[covert gorge]

personally never gigabyte

[timber granite]

because.....?

[covert gorge]

bios, customer support, amount of fuck ups they've pulled

[timber granite]

i see

that msi one is a really good board tbh

it has great rear io, plenty of sata and usb headers

[burnt dune]

so vrm doesnt matter, but the vrm heatsinks are not just marketing and aesthetics?

[timber granite]

i mean, there should be some heatsink, and that one just doesnt have enough. it'd be like $15 to get some decent cooling on them

for a 7600, itd probably be ok, but i wouldnt be comfortable using that board

[covert gorge]

they both do and don't tbh, many motherboards with heatsinks on the vrm's that basically do fuck all

[timber granite]

this msi board is looking really compelling for matx

[covert gorge]

tbf, matx offers a fair bit of flexibility

[timber granite]

yeah

[covert gorge]

which is going to be what's needed when it comes to van life in the end

[lunar night]

Have you thought about going with NVDIMM Ram

It can store memory even to a power cycle

So you can load your whole os in it

And make it insanely fast

[timber granite]

you can just stop talking

[lunar night]

You can also then get a server mb that’s itx to get more slots and maximize on memory

[timber granite]

literally go away. youre so obviously trolling

[covert gorge]

it also doesn't exist for ddr5

[lunar night]

Not really; if you have a problem with it you can right click thread then leave

[lunar night]

Downsides ig

Tho compared to having whole os on ram worth

[covert gorge]

@burnt dune ignore what pokey just suggested, it's also way slower than a standard ssd

[lunar night]

Is it tho?

[lunar night]

They aren’t going with ssd they’re going with optane

So you’re comparing the wrong thing here

[timber granite]

its still solid state

and its a drive

[lunar night]

He said standard

Standard isn’t optane

[timber granite]

which is what an ssd is by definition

[covert gorge]

t700 isn't a ssd??, also optane is a ssd with a specific style of cache

[lunar night]

“Standard ssd”

Not “ssd”

[timber granite]

standard compared to a ram disk

[lunar night]

Why compare that if they aren’t using it

[covert gorge]

literally one of the dumbest suggestions by pokey just happened, and it's an obvious trolling moment

[lunar night]

Compare optane

With ram

Think about how much faster it’d be

[timber granite]

<@&750150305383186585>
troll. deal with this user

[covert gorge]

it wouldn't

[lunar night]

False report he’s salty, deal with him

Look at chat logs from before

He tries to report me everytime he can’t back smt up

[timber granite]

you have made a total of 1 good suggestion over the duration of this build plan

1

cant even count the number of good suggestions rauko and i have made

and thats just us two. there's still MrCarrot, Dxtchin, AtomicSub, Feldwebel, TheRandomness, MidgetMucker, and idk who else

[burnt epoch]

please mods

[lunar night]

You mean 0? This thread has made 0 decisions so far

[timber granite]

When did I say decisions

I said suggestions

[lunar night]

good suggestions back down to 0, as dream has denied them all

[timber granite]

99% of your suggestions are ass

[lunar night]

<@&750150305383186585> Troll behaviour again, as you can see

[timber granite]

You’re a troll, I’m not

[burnt epoch]

please dude hes not a troll

he never once trolled

in this server* idk abt other servers

[lunar night]

Like you can say anything about it, as you assist him in all of them

check previous thread logs

[burnt epoch]

.....

[timber granite]

And “again”? Which of us has been muted 2+ times for trolling? I have yet to see you make a good suggestion in this current thread.

[burnt epoch]

just saying if everyone is a troll exept you you should consider that people aint trolling

[lunar night]

Didnt you leave the server?

[lunar night]

in this thread? Dream

2+ times iirc

[burnt epoch]

people can we all just leave this if you really wanna argue dm but lets just try to help dream

[timber granite]

You’ve literally given 1 good suggestion. 1 singular suggestion

Yes, I don’t want to argue with this troll any more than I have to

[burnt epoch]

yes

[lunar night]

So you started an argument. Helped it. Now want to end it right after you have no more concrete proof to add to it?

Huh

Who could've predicted

[burnt epoch]

im not quite sure how i started it but ok

[burnt epoch]

guys lets just drop this argument and help her

[timber granite]

How convenient it is that every time you’re confronted about something, you always blame others for stupid illegitimate “issues”

[lunar night]

Like what?

give ex

[timber granite]

This for 1

Calling me a troll when you’re the troll

[lunar night]

Um, wasnt even talking to you?

[raw goblet]

Ayo

[lunar night]

tell creeper to stop harrasing me

He keeps trying to make random mod pings, too get me muted

this is like the 6th one

In different threads too

[raw goblet]

If you guys can't be civil in helping someone get what they want, then you need to try to find middle ground

[lunar night]

I've told them that, if they can't stop arguing they should unfollow the thread

They just won't listen ig

[cloud totem]

stop arguing bruh

[raw goblet]

Rather than be argumentative over some random suggestions, why not be receptive and explain why they wont instead of attacking each other

[cloud totem]

pokey shut up already 😭

all you did was interrupt the chat

[lunar night]

I say that, and, he says im trolling and pings mod check like couple dms above

[raw goblet]

This isnt a mods issue to deal with, we arent HR to ping every minute, unless someone is legitimately breaking rules, then you ping us

[timber granite]

I just don’t want utterly useless suggestions in this thread, as long as it is.

[burnt epoch]

pokey please just be civil ya dont gotta be best friends but dont go out of your way to argue

[cloud totem]

pokey literally trolling 😭

[lunar night]

As you see here

[cloud totem]

literally multiple time offender

[raw goblet]

dont make me read every thing youve said in this thread and critisize you over it, sometimes ideas are bad and thats okay :)

[cloud totem]

oh my god momo

want me to give you a history lesson in this thread

[lunar night]

Are you arguing with a mod?

[cloud totem]

debating

[lunar night]

They just said to keep things civil

and you start arguing with a mod?

Odd

[raw goblet]

Dont worry, It inst just when you ping us, we see all

[stoic glade]

Was about to say; threads in #1027757333117415424 exist to help people. Minor disagreements can and will arise when determining the "best" solution for a given problem. It's up to all participants involved to sort out their differences by making compromises or removing themselves from the conversation. I tell ya, if I didn't choose my battles at work, I'd have been fired forever ago. 😅 Agreeing to disagree is sometimes the best way forward.

[cloud totem]

i mean clearly you dont but whatever

[lunar night]

Still arguing

interesting

[cloud totem]

pokey dont you have any other hobbies

go out for a walk maybe, refresh your mind

[lunar night]

Productive things can happen with arguments, if they're done correctly

[cloud totem]

yeah the issue is, when you argue, you do it just to interrupt

[raw goblet]

See, your trying to argue with me, but id rather just ignore you until your bothered lol

[lunar night]

However this? All it does is make mods deal with drama

[cloud totem]

simply trying to resolve the issue

[raw goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/signal-generator-market-analog-devices-gif-25434526

Be like electricity, find the path of least resistance, or else you'll overheat and explode

[cloud totem]

idk, after saying for multiple weeks "stop helping!! shes a troll" and then suddenly bringing suggestions

[lunar night]

Find me my dm that says. "Stop Helping!!"

and I'll leave

Exact words

[raw goblet]

stop stop stop

nobodys forcing anybody to be in this thread

[lunar night]

See you see the odd battles they choose to die over

[raw goblet]

Now, imma look away, yall better be good

[lunar night]

I dunno

I might be going blind

But i ain't see that

[cloud totem]

🤓

[timber granite]

Don’t need exact words to show that you are just trolling

[lunar night]

Me or the mods just told you im not?

I dunno, they also just said to stop arguing about it

and be civil

Maybe the mods are trolls too???!!!!??!!

[cloud totem]

meh, not like the mods ever intervene when necessary

[raw goblet]

sigh

[timber granite]

And Last I checked, shitposting is against the rules. which, saying that a RAM disk is better than an ssd, and just popping in to bring up more terrible obviously bad ideas that only serve to aggravate and start arguments, is shitposting.

Anyway, I’ve said my defense, and I’m done now.

[lunar night]

:D

[lunar night]

Didn't you say that earlier, and, the mods replied to that?

like 10 dms up

[raw goblet]

that isnt shitposting.. thats just a suggesstion

[lunar night]

. this one

[cloud totem]

its such blatant trollign

when theyve literally said this before

[timber granite]

If you like “watching” as you say, I’m fine with that. Just don’t comment with any random ass troll comment

[lunar night]

Go up about 5 dms, and, the mods said smt about that too

[lunar night]

Oh look at you go! Still going with the proof after the mods told you there is nothing here to be done

[lunar night]

. this one incase you couldn't find it creeper

[lunar night]

go up 15 dms when you were arguing with the mods and calling them Trolls as they didn't take your side

Anyway, if you're all done with your drama

@burnt dune you could maybe instead of a optane get a server mb, with tons of NVDRMM, to load an whole os, into ram as you mentioned about doing that earlier

[timber granite]

RAM disk is shit, stop recommending it

[lunar night]

And why is it bad?

well better question, why is it worse than optane

[timber granite]

Rauko already layed it out

[lunar night]

Did he?

[timber granite]

Yes

[lunar night]

where is it layed out?

[timber granite]

Slower, doesn’t exist for ddr5.

Will be wayyyyy more expensive than even optane. Server stuff is really really expensive

[burnt epoch]

For server storage the 10k budget on this whole build would be spent on 5 drives

[lunar night]

Que mate?

Server storage

You do realise, SAS Drives arent that expensive

[timber granite]

RAM disk = bad idea. Stop recommending it. End of conversation

[lunar night]

and you can use normal drives if you wished to do so on a server?

[lunar night]

Not end of conversation, you're not making the computer

[lunar night]

Apart from being expensive, how is it slower?

[timber granite]

It’s a bad idea and it’s not going in this pc

[timber granite]

i don’t know, but rauko, who is very knowledgeable, says it’s slower, and I’m trusting him a lot more than you

[lunar night]

Andddd you have what authority to decide that?

[lunar night]

Yet again same statement

[burnt epoch]

yeah they are much much slower

[timber granite]

Told you before why it’s bad, you just want to troll and induce arguments

[timber granite]

To say nothing of capacity

[lunar night]

And why is it bad?

[lunar night]

how much slower, why are they slower

[burnt epoch]

like 30% i believe

[lunar night]

And why 30% slower?

[burnt epoch]

not sure if you want to know im sure somewhere has that information

[desert crow]

top tier server moderation

the guy pushing to spend money needlessly is obviously not a positive

[timber granite]

Going back to what i said:

[tacit magnet]

hey

dont be so mean to pokey

[timber granite]

Bro….seriously?

[desert crow]

drop 30k on a vehicle because "you have the money to"

[tacit magnet]

yeah ig thats true

but pokey is pokey

[burnt epoch]

Ngl ima just buy this thing cus I have the money too

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zRTPxr/corsair-crystal-570x-rgb-mirror-black-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011126-ww

[tacit magnet]

thats a well priced case ngl

[lunar night]

Going back to what I said to that, read it eh

[burnt epoch]

Bruh

It’s $600

[lunar night]

Do it then?

[lunar night]

Who cares? You like it, you afford it, makes you happy

Buy it be happy

!!

[tacit magnet]

well priced

[desert crow]

if you like the 600$ case then I agree as well

but, the op never said she wanted an expensive car
she wanted an ambulance

that 1988 whatever manufacturer ambulance was her want, and you pushed for her to drop 30k for no reason

[tacit magnet]

i mean there was a reason

but yeah

[desert crow]

that sounds wrong, she never actually dropped it

[lunar night]

Wdym no reason, buying a old van when you can perfectly afford to get something newer and better for you that’ll have more future support, and less current hassle

Would be an easy recommend

[desert crow]

it's what she wanted

[lunar night]

Like telling someone to go from a floppy disc, to a ssd

Major upgrade

[burnt epoch]

That’s not the same as a normal good hdd to some 10k commercial hdd that’s slower

[desert crow]

1988 is close the the year my dream car was produced

and even if I had to drop a shit ton in repair, I would just to have it

[lunar night]

Would that be a car that will house you?

[desert crow]

why would I live in a car?

[tacit magnet]

bruh

[lunar night]

I dunno, you made the comparison

[desert crow]

maybe I didn't get the full picture, I joined this thread mid way through

[tacit magnet]

i joined during the first thread

[desert crow]

is she going to live in a van?

[tacit magnet]

duh

[burnt epoch]

We too

[lunar night]

yea

[tacit magnet]

why would she be buying one

[desert crow]

funsies

[tacit magnet]

coolio

which thread is this anyways

4th or 5th

[lunar night]

.

Accuses someone

[burnt epoch]

6th

Maybe 7th

[lunar night]

without even knowing anything about what he is saying

[tacit magnet]

oh really?

[lunar night]

9th

[tacit magnet]

damnn

[lunar night]

its going to be 4 months soon

[tacit magnet]

yayy

4 month pc build anniversary

[lunar night]

Funny, a guy with a house that burned down got a whole new house setup, before she could decide on a case

and im the one trolling

[burnt epoch]

no proof shes trolling and lots of you trolling

[lunar night]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timber granite]

She operates different to Michael

[tacit magnet]

carrot speaking fax

also u playing fortnite carrot???

nice

[burnt epoch]

.....

yes

[timber granite]

All of her life is dictated by “what’s the best ___________” (food, clothes, etc).
While you may not agree with her decisions, there’s nothing you can do to change it

[tacit magnet]

u should add me

[burnt epoch]

its unironicly not bad

[tacit magnet]

i play on phone cuz good

[burnt epoch]

noice

[tacit magnet]

(cuz i cant use xbox)

i dont have any controllers and it hates my keyboards

[burnt epoch]

wb pc?

[tacit magnet]

i cant use main

[burnt epoch]

why

[tacit magnet]

idk

i havent tried to log in with it in a while

oh my god

it works

cuz my email i use with it is gone

but i linked my phone before my email went poof

[timber granite]

Lmao

[tacit magnet]

ok now i stfu

[timber granite]

5th

[lunar night]

Really? Is that true

Are you 100% saying that's true

Then now tell me

Why is the ambulance THE BEST

[tacit magnet]

i knew u were gonna say that lols

[timber granite]

Idk, but used things will never be the best, and that’s just one option she likes, and you can’t really “research” used items.
But you can ask her that

[tacit magnet]

nvm this is another alt

god dammit

man my main had like 100 dollars worth of skins

wait

this is my main

where the hell is my shit

[timber granite]

Make up your mind and stop sending single word messages lol

[tacit magnet]

nuh

uh

[timber granite]

Bruh

[tacit magnet]

thsi account has a bunch of vbucks so imma gift my main alt

[lunar night]

You cant research used items?

#Words of a non car owner

[tacit magnet]

fr

[timber granite]

Can we stop with the Fortnite talk now

[tacit magnet]

ik

ill stfu

[timber granite]

You might be able to, to a certain extent

The “best one” would probably cost like 20k, unless she wanted to shop for like a year on the used market

And even then, it probably wouldn’t go below 12k

[lunar night]

So my $30k~ budget wasnt crazy

Huh

How interesting

How have the turned tables turned ever against the turned odds

[timber granite]

But she doesn’t need the best one, so 2-7k one would be fine

[timber granite]

Did you have a stroke when writing that?

[lunar night]

And why not?

Isnt her life revolved around finding the best

the most optimal

the most beneficial

[timber granite]

Colossal waste of money

[lunar night]

And the current financial choices of this computer aren't?

Interesting

How have the statements changed

[timber granite]

The pc is max like 5-6k, but the difference between 5k and 30k is a lot bigger

[lunar night]

is it?

Lets see

[timber granite]

What?

[lunar night]

So by my estimates

The pc and the van

are both overpriced equally

by a 33% overspend

my $30k budget, vs her $6k computer

[timber granite]

5-6k is a difference of 1k.
5-30k is a difference of 25k.
That’s a little bit bigger of a difference

[lunar night]

1 is a van, other is a computer

1 is put by your feet

the other is used as your home

[timber granite]

And I’m being generous with 5k, because the ambulance is 2.5k

[lunar night]

1 is where you spend 24/7 on, other is where you spend freetime on

[lunar night]

With those calculations, people should all become homeless

Why buy a house?

[timber granite]

So that would be 27.5k

[lunar night]

When you can live on the side of a street

for FREE

Omg what a discovery

[timber granite]

Where the fuck did you get that

[lunar night]

You comparing her van to computer

saying computer is only 6k

and van is by my estimates too much to b e $30k

[timber granite]

That doesn’t mean no one should buy a house

Why the fuck would you think that

[lunar night]

Because you said there is no reason for a $30k van

Why spend $400k on a house?

There is no reason too

You can survive, on the streets

[timber granite]

…… 🤦

[timber granite]

But there are reasons to buy a house

Space, having a FAMILY

[lunar night]

Interesting, spending money on a van can get you more space

Huh how odd

What else does a house give?

[timber granite]

Anyway, I’m done with this conversation, as it’s clearly not going anywhere with YOU involved. Goodbye

[lunar night]

How interesting, you saw right through where you were going to be headed

into saying $30k van isnt that outlandish

Smart

[timber granite]

What?

[lunar night]

[timber granite]

You’re just destroying my brain cells with your stupid ass logic

[lunar night]

Am I destroying your braincells, or are your braincells gaining consencious again from me slowly forming logic in you as to why, the van isn't a stupid idea

Ig we shall never know, without a brain scan

[burnt epoch]

This logic hurts my brain

[timber granite]

See what I mean 😐

I hope the next convo will be pertaining to the build 😩

[burnt epoch]

Fr

That’s what I’ve asked for 100000 times then pokey finds a new topic to argue about

[timber granite]

Let’s all shut up now until dream is ready to continue the build

[burnt epoch]

Yup

Good idea

[lunar night]

Didnt you argue with a mod?

idk if you ca nbe talking

[burnt epoch]

What?

Please give a example if so cus I seriously don’t think I’ve ever argued with a mod in any server ever

[lunar night]

Wrong person, you both had the same personality

Tho point proven

You just argued even on just that

[burnt epoch]

That’s not arguing that’s asking for an example….

[covert gorge]

tbh, she maybe getting the ford f350 ambulance as an alternative to a for transit van, it was an alternative i shown her via a youtube vid

[burnt dune]

walmarts bf deals for laptops

i wonder if i should go for any

ambulance turned out to be kind of a bust

going based off what i know. how the bottom right laptop was originally $1050 is insaneee

[covert gorge]

out of those this is the only decent one

[stoic glade]

Ah yes, I do love "SGIN" brand. What a well known reliable manufacturer. /s 😄
https://www.reddit.com/r/SuggestALaptop/comments/131etgd/sgin/
(TL;DR: they appear to merely be a "random" name slapped on a generic laptop advertised at artificially inflated prices so consumers think they're getting a "deal" when in reality you're getting anything but.)

[covert gorge]

tbf, wouldn't pay more than $100-150 for that laptop, especially as it's chromebook level hardware

[covert gorge]

that bottom right one is the worst one of them

[burnt grove]

10/10 top tier brand

But that being said. Anyone paying original list price of $1k for a celeron is either very uneducated on tech or stupid

With 4gb of ddr4 lol

[lunar night]

You’re calling dream stupid?

[lunar night]

And why would you do that, can’t you afford a good laptop?

[burnt grove]

Guess so

[lunar night]

Thought you we t for the best fo everything

[cloud totem]

why overpay for something you dont need lol

[lunar night]

@timber granite interesting 🤨 once again not the best

[lunar night]

And who are you to say what she needs and doesn’t need?

No one

[cloud totem]

lmao

[timber granite]

Same could be said of you mate

[timber granite]

Oh, buying a cheap laptop just to have a portable computer because you’re getting a baller rig anyway is somehow stupid? She doesn’t need 2 4090 pcs (1 a laptop and 1 a desktop) which is probably why she’s getting a cheap laptop instead.

[lunar night]

She needs a laptop that’s better than a celeron, plus doesn’t she look for the best in everything by your words

Huh

[timber granite]

So far she has, but you can ask her that not me. I’m just repeating what she said

[covert gorge]

as for laptops, i've already stated which are the better to go for

[cloud totem]

a m3 macbook?

[covert gorge]

nope

this

[cloud totem]

if you want battery life you go apple silicon

[covert gorge]

up until you want to game also then it's amd laptops

[cloud totem]

and thats why you have a pc worth thousands

[covert gorge]

@timber granite pic pointing to what i mean in regards to asus mobo's

[timber granite]

I see

[covert gorge]

as prime mobo's take aspects from the likes of rog strix and tuf they can't be classed as low end nor can you exactly claim them to be high end

[dense shale]

I would class them as mid tier tbh

[burnt dune]

IKR ive never heard of SGIN lmao

[burnt dune]

literally

im working another black friday night tonight. 9pm to 6am

[covert gorge]

and the ideapad 3 gaming was the best of them in the pic you sent

[lunar night]

You work at a walmart?

[burnt dune]

yep.

[lunar night]

Geez those most be years of savings to afford a $20k computer

[burnt dune]

nah, that's dogecoin.

also i make a lot of money lmao

$1200 checks.

[lunar night]

you work in a managerial position at 9-6am

Or corporate

[burnt dune]

nope just regular associate, team leads make $25/h tho

im $17

for these 2 days i was asked to do the black friday event so i am

[timber granite]

prebuilt? seriously?

[burnt dune]

just interesting. i can understand it now. shitty old parts tho kind of. 3050 is cool tho

[timber granite]

or are you looking at the price differece for the same components

[timber granite]

not really old tbh

[burnt dune]

just insane, $650 tho

and i get a discount

up to 25% off. but most likely only going to get 20% or 10% if i got something like that

so like maybe even as cheap as $487 or $585

[covert gorge]

neither of these are a good purchase

[burnt dune]

not for me

[covert gorge]

for anyone

[burnt dune]

🤷‍♀️

i dont like prebuilts either

a couple had 4060s tho

so thats neat

[timber granite]

the 4060 is not great tbh

[covert gorge]

for $650 you can get this and it would run rings around those 2 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L6L6BL

[burnt dune]

true but that's DIY

[timber granite]

a prebuilt will always be worse

100% of the time

[covert gorge]

you can get an SI prebuild with similar specs to this

[burnt dune]

i wish pc people who knew pc stuff were the ones making prebuilts for retail

[covert gorge]

there's 2 types of prebuilds, oem prebuilds, and si prebuilds

[burnt dune]

what's si

[covert gorge]

there are, SI prebuilds

[timber granite]

system integrator

[covert gorge]

system integrator

[burnt dune]

so the ones on walmart are SI

[covert gorge]

oem prebuilds

[burnt dune]

and oem are the bad ones

[covert gorge]

that asus prebuild you put the pic of is an oem prebuild

[burnt dune]

i guessed wrong, cause oem sounds like it would be the better ones.

theres some other ones but nothing really.

[covert gorge]

SI prebuilds come from the likes of redux, origin, ibuypower

or even an inhouse brand from companies like newegg, aka ABS prebuilds

but if it's dell, lenovo, hp, alienware (dell anyways), asus, msi then it's oem unless specified otherwise

[timber granite]

"dell, lenovo, hp, dell 2.0...."

[lunar night]

Better than what you have

4060 is one of the best gpu, for Ai development

atleast on a budget

it has everything youd be looking for

[lunar night]

Alot of money, while making only $17/hr?

Wow some majic

magic

should teach me

[covert gorge]

i'd sooner get an a4000. that would be much better in comparison

[lunar night]

what?

[lunar night]

a4000, is slower than 4060 ti iirc

[covert gorge]

nope, it's faster

[lunar night]

4060 ti, can do 22.06 tflops, whilst the a4000 can only do 19.17 tflops

has a lower base clock, and, boost clock

and memory clock

tho double the memory bus

[covert gorge]

and you just changed it from a 4060 to 4060ti now

[lunar night]

I ment 4060 ti, the one with 16 gb vram

[covert gorge]

4060 being an 8gb vram that sucks so much you'd get a 3060 instead

[lunar night]

Yeah thatd suck

4060 8gb vram, is like double the price of a used 3060 12 gig

[covert gorge]

a4000 is equal to a 3070 with double the vram

[lunar night]

Would a4000 be better than rtx 4060 in terms of a budget llm build?

[covert gorge]

with better efficiency on the power draw

[lunar night]

Like if you could afford 4 of 4060 tis, or 4 a4000s

which one would you go with

without counting power draw

[lunar night]

its only a 25w difference

[covert gorge]

difference in silicon for it, as geforce gets all the quadro reject dies

[lunar night]

Also keeping the price in mind

[covert gorge]

and tbh, it would be the a4000's

[lunar night]

Its $300 more, than rtx 4060 ti

Is it worth for you that much?

[covert gorge]

considering that you can sync them yes

[lunar night]

o

[lunar night]

Its moore expensive than even 3090 ti

[covert gorge]

there's advantages to using quadro cards over geforce cards, depending on the workload

[covert gorge]

new, not second hand, sure, but can get them as low as 500 second hand

[lunar night]

You can where?

I looked on ebay

they were all $700+

[lunar night]

lets say an LLM?

[covert gorge]

an a4000 combined with something like an a100

[lunar night]

If you had a budget of like $2000 on gpus

whatd you go with?

[covert gorge]

rtx a4500 if possible

[lunar night]

Would they be modern enough? If we average there price to like $550?

[lunar night]

so you can affoord about 4 of them

[covert gorge]

3-5 depending on price

[covert gorge]

yup, considering they can perform around 3070ti-3080

ampere quadro's are a beast of their own

[lunar night]

isnt there an ampere 3060?

[covert gorge]

rtx a3000 would be the closest to it

[lunar night]

What about CPU?

[covert gorge]

3060 is 8gb/12gb depending on what models you get, but in quadro terms, the nearest would be an a3000

[lunar night]

ah

[covert gorge]

a2000 = 3050

[lunar night]

what about p2000?

[covert gorge]

doesn't matter if 6 or 12gb for this

[covert gorge]

i would skip it for a turing card

[lunar night]

o

[lunar night]

which mb would be best for this? From what i see all the server ones need super crazy CPU's, or, dont have enough PCIe slots

[covert gorge]

if going for multiple, then tbh threadripper

so something like the zenith

rtx 5000

[long oriole]

btw dream, i cant find the message but ur not gonna be able to build ur own laptop i think

[timber granite]

the most you can do is the framework 16

[long oriole]

well i dont think its a good idea

[long oriole]

yeah

[lunar night]

What about p40s? 7 of them are $1300

[covert gorge]

2 of them maybe but you wouldn't want to use accelerators only

[burnt dune]

oh i dont want to build my own laptop

[burnt dune]

what is this.

i thought the 5000 series wasnt out yet

[timber granite]

quadro 5000 is not the same as geforce 5000

[burnt dune]

gotchaa okay

im p sure the 4090 is better than any quadro

[timber granite]

depends on the workload

for gaming, yes

[burnt dune]

p sure in productivity too

[timber granite]

not when you can nvlink them

[burnt dune]

thats true but i thought multi gpu was dead

[timber granite]

for gaming

[burnt dune]

ohhh

so nvlink which is the best one is the best option for workstations

who need it

[timber granite]

oh and the quadro a6000 has 48GB of memory

[timber granite]

running large datasets or ai stuff

[burnt dune]

i think only the 6000 ada has debateable performance uplifts over the 4090

[timber granite]

but again, it has nvlink and 48GB of memory

and has like a 350w tdp

[burnt dune]

no i meant, nvlink is the best option for workstations who need it. not "who need it?"

[covert gorge]

none really, it only has it's vram going for it

[timber granite]

good to know

[timber granite]

300 not 350

[burnt dune]

and its like $9000

it does have a lot more tensor cores or whatever

[covert gorge]

the 4090 is actually the better option compared to an rtx a6000 ada

[burnt dune]

yep ^

[timber granite]

this is why the a6000 is relevant

[burnt dune]

that power consumption is kind of nice

but running 2 realistically puts it at 600w not 300

[covert gorge]

the 4090 still out performs this in production work

it only has the vram going for it

[burnt dune]

thats what ive seen too

[timber granite]

certified drivers

[burnt dune]

4090 can do ai too, but less cores. so more time.

[covert gorge]

and tbh if you really want to go for ai, you're better off with going for something like a couple a6000's and an a100 80gb

the accelerator card makes up for the lower performance of the quadro's

but then again, you're talking around $40k total for 2 gpu's + accelerator

this is also where you'd be looking at a 1.6kw psu or higher

you'd also need a cpu that has 32-48 pcie lanes, and a mobo wiht at least 3x fully working pcie x16 slots

[timber granite]

threadripper

[covert gorge]

yup, but it would only be good as a production machine, not fit for gaming

[timber granite]

yes

[lunar night]

What? no

[covert gorge]

it actually is

[lunar night]

not really

[burnt dune]

yeah i actually hardly spend money. im really good at saving money and cutting corners to save in general so that also explains it. like i had $45 cell phone bills in like 2016 ish cause i did this thing and got grandfathered into a deal. and then $30. and now $15. unlimited data.

and then car insurance too, i think i got it down to about $30 before i got my 2nd car.

im about to be cutting rent, electric and internet down too. i dont mind spending on internet tho. i was doing $485 on rent, but ive only been at $555 rent for about 5 months or so. my lease ends on the 1st.

i will be selling both of my cars, and all 3 of my 75 in tvs. I just cut back on my work lunches, i had a habit of buying food at walmart since i started working in the last 2 years, ive tried so many new things i would usually spend $20 on lunch and not even feel it, or get $20 herbalife and be fine everyday. but now i just dont want to do that anymore and ive been meal prepping which sounds daunting but all you do is cook 1 time for like its alot of people but its just future yous. so i used to cook every night while working on the pc, but now i just cook the one time and its helped so much.

a lot of meal prep ideas sound not that great to me but then i found protein bowls and that's gotten me excited. Now i spend about $3 on lunch and dinner and lunch and dinner are made for me ahead of time.

i also have a buy and buy more strategy when it comes to investing so nothing too unique. but i also use heikin ashi which is more niche i would say. so i buy low and when it drops again i never freak out, i just buy more. I was actually living off of my dogecoin full time for awhile after a bad break up. but i dont have to anymore with walmart and walmart got me back everything i lost during the break anyway.

[lunar night]

Should you really spend $20k on a computer then?

Rather save it

For other investments and retirement

[timber granite]

the entire fucking point of saving money is so you can spend it later

[lunar night]

If your income isn’t as high to sustain it

[lunar night]

Not in this case, if you have to change your lifestyle just to afford a single item that’s a computer

[covert gorge]

@lunar nighthttps://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-beats-rtx-6000-ada-in-content-creation-performance

[burnt dune]

with heikin ashi, it cuts out the noise of the japanese candles which include the real price action. heikin ashi has a built in MA for the candle itself since it starts the next candle in the middle of the prior. meaning with heikin ashi, you see a lot of green in a row. and then a lot of red. and its like clockwork. i can do it with any asset right now even as an example.

it usually takes about 15 days for anything worth while, but people also just dont have a deeper understanding of investing. like 1 second and 1 min charts / 5 min charts are better to watch if you are richer. long term investing is better for poorer people. so like i would say $1000 is the bare min for real investing. anything below that is like "for fun" or "for the kids"

[lunar night]

I was talking about Ai

[burnt dune]

so 20k is no longer what i will be spending on the pc.

[lunar night]

what are you on?

[burnt dune]

but a $1600 vs a $2000 gpu makes very little difference to me

[long oriole]

candles make sound?

[lunar night]

Long term investments is what billionaires do

Spreading there investments in companies

Hundreds of them

[burnt dune]

i usually just use tradingview, but the new monetization stuff is annoying. still perfectly usable.

[lunar night]

Trading view an app any poor people would use

Odd

[burnt dune]

this is what you have heard in stories or news stuff.

[lunar night]

have I tho? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt dune]

long term basically allows you to get in with lower money, if you do it with big money its fine too.

[lunar night]

Lower money as in millions in acquiring companies ?

[burnt dune]

im saying 1 sec or 5 min is basically not really usable by normal people

i can basically play with $10,000 which i might be doing soon

[covert gorge]

sad to say it, the 4090 still better

[long oriole]

what do u mean?

[lunar night]

What defines poor people to you then?

[burnt dune]

im saying, you can use heikin ashi and buy and buy more and then use ai and have it do it for you. have a winrate of like 20% and still make profit

[lunar night]

People who earn less than $17 an hour?

[lunar night]

Anyone can do that, with basic savings

[burnt dune]

maybe ill just stream it one day

but all im saying is, yeah that's what i do

minus the ai part

[covert gorge]

til you get screwed by the taxman/irs

[burnt dune]

but yeah winrate in investing doesnt matter. cause most of the time, you will lose if you take every trade. but each lose is like -0.2% so its nothing

[long oriole]

what is heikin ashi?

[lunar night]

Anyway so you have a decent amount in dogecoin,why work at Walmart exactly?

Night shifts too

Kinda odd

[burnt dune]

yeah thats true, but that's why you dont take out of your broker account. and when you do take out, you take out the amount to reduce taxes as much as possible

[lunar night]

Doesn’t add up

[desert crow]

taxman? you can just ignore him

worked for me so far

[covert gorge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heikin-Ashi_chart

[lunar night]

Just go live in a 3rd world country

[covert gorge]

you mean, buy one

[burnt dune]

well, the only reason im working at walmart is literally for the benefits. i have other stuff going on and i need it for medical.

[lunar night]

Meh those ones are too small

[long oriole]

oh that

[lunar night]

So for benefits maybe $1000~ you work there? For 9+ hours everyday

Interesting

[burnt dune]

i dont like the time sink

but im making money too and that keeps everything from cutting into my net worth.

[lunar night]

?

[burnt dune]

im still a normal human being lmao. i got the job cause people were calling me lazy at the time, like my family.

[lunar night]

You can afford into not working at Walmart and pursing a better carrier, however you prefer working at Walmart?

[lunar night]

You depend on feedback by your family?

Odd