#❤ itx, 7950x3d, 4090, DDR5 2x48gb, 905p, t700, ax1600i, x670e ❤
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Ok cut the bullshit with external rads, ifound a case that will fit her needs https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JmgJn6
Enough depth for a 240mm rad from the 4090 and even enough case length to fit the TUF oc cards and most other 4090 models
And enought space for a 360mm aio
This list is a proof of concept and that nzxt aio is good enough since I know it can handle a 7950x so it will handle a 7950x3d
good micro atx case, though there are several of those that can
finding an itx one capable on the other hand, the phanteks p200a is the only one so far
no, it's decided upon based on the mobo you select, after that everything else forms into line with pure ease
for the better part, aesthetics can be added after just with a couple rgb strips tbh, though there are alot of non rgb setups that look way better
psu isn't performance based, it's necessity based
because it's the easiest way to add lighting without loosing performance
rgb on a fan = 10-20% performance drop to the fan
that's linus, if it can be done cheap and looks like a child has barfed up in it, he'd be fine with it
on certain things, yes, yes it does
rgb on a ssd = ssd going nope, no more work for you
fan blades get reduced in size due to a ring of rgb added to the shroud
which creates a 10-20% drop in fan performance
it causes the ssd to thermal throttle into stop working
76 led's in a kingston hyper x rgb ssd on the left, studio light on the right
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there is even an adata ssd that has way less led's on it and still freezes the same
the kingston ssd opened up
set it to white and watch it go nope on you
rgb on ram is kinda ok, i just find it tacky
you'll never see it on a rad
pretty much
pretty much
that should never happen unless you tried to fit the wrong sized mobo in the wrong sized case
but once mobo is selected, you can base everything around the form factor it is
as a side note, red is the coolest temp colour, blue is the most power drawing colour and white is the most hotest temp colour
pure black pc themes btw
these are both atx cases btw
with the fractal north as a case
real walnut in the front on this
with mesh side
when you use just strips that are diffused so it's more accent colours
the image of the kingston ssd reaching 58c, that's with the led's set to white
thermally, white is the hotest colour
red is thermally the coolest
and blue draws more power over the rest
just that, it's either full height or half height
simple naming to simply describe what the slot height is
It’s not the mobo, it’s the case
And half height is way more common in the old prebuilt workstations
Exactly
Afaik, mobo will always fit
The hyte y60 is one case with half height pcie brackets. The reason they do that is to give more slots to the included riser setup
I mean for some people a motherboard can be aesthetic I guess
No, the only difference between them is the height. Everything else is the same
So it can accommodate thicker gpus
I mean most gpus are like 3 slot
4090’s are 3+ slots
On the motherboard
On the case, it’s 3
And that’s what I’m talking about
The metal parts
The pcie brackets are linked to expansion, but different cards use different numbers of brackets
This gpu has a dual slot bracket, but the cooler takes up a total of 3 slots
They do
Bruh
Each slot on the case used to have (for the most part) a pcie expansion slot from the motherboard. Now, with thicker gpus and more need for m.2 slots, motherboards have far fewer pcie slots.
Whoever said that was high
Anyway, when talking about gpus, the slot number matters
Mine, for example, is a 2 slot. The 4090 liquid is also a 2 slot. The 4090 strix is 4 slot I believe
It USES 2 slots
On the case
because 2 slots given for vertical mounting usually pushes the gpu right up against the side panel, and for several 4090's, they take up 3 slots, and there's 1-2 that take up 4-5 slots on it's own
With that said, most (non itx) motherboards now have an m.2 slot in the top one on the motherboard, so the gpu would go into the 2nd slot
Just one then
1 slot on the mobo, 2-3 slots on the case
What is, and why
The ones on the case are like these metal bits you pop out
And you put the gpu in there
nope it doesn't, the case size and form factor decides that
The phanteks g200a will accommodate the 2 slot 4090 liquid with its 2 radiator spots
Slots refers to both motherboard slots and case slots. When talking about gpus, it’s case slots. You need to pick up on context clues to know which one is being referred to
Damn I did not know it was that big
So gpu slots. Those are case slots
Some call them pcie covers
What??
Yeah, you can expand your storage among other things
Storage is by far the most used one
Fym here
because it's usable not just for storage, though that's it's primary role
ther is a 4-5 slot 4090 that can't be vertically mounted in any case and require support brackets on it
Is that the galax?
depends on the gpu, and if anything else is getting put on the slots as well
none at all
Depends on how it’s laid out. If you have a conversion kit, it uses all of them. The hyte y60 has 3 slots available to its riser kit.
And they used the low profile brackets to give you the rest of the expansion slots on the motherboard
and for any gpu that's 2.7-3 slot it puts the gpu up way to close to the side panel
well you saw that founders edition pic?
in most cases you can only vertically mount it
and as that specific one takes up 3 slots
most cases don't have solutions for vertical mounting
it takes up 3 slots no matter what
doesn't matter if horizontal or vertical
duh
has a solution for vertical mounting
5 slot 4090
a 4090
pny with coolermaster co-op
pny aren't shitty considering they're the ones who make quadro cards, aka the best you can get from nvidia
it is
takes up 5 slots in total no matter what
5 slots all day every day, no matter what
Lies
it does, a 3 slot card vertically mounted will be choked of air flow
a 5 slot card vertically mounted = no side panel be put on
ffs, it's part of it
What in the fuck?
someone doing 2 different gpu's
It. Does. Not.
7 slots on that case, 6 slots being used up
No, a conversion bracket will replace all pcie slot covers, meaning you can’t use any other expansion slots
That’s what I meant
a lian li mounting kit for atx cases
phanteks
nzxt
vertical mounting conversions of the normal pcie case slots
Vertical mounting a gpu in a case not specifically designed for vertical mounting
Nope
Unless it’s built into the case
It still needs to be secured to the case
on alot of cases, nope, but there are only a few cases that come with 2-3 slot designed for vertical mounting
Using a riser
example of a case with vertical mounting built in
riser for vertical mounting shown in pic
Yes, it “extends” the pcie slot
there might be no mounting points for the riser itself on the case
Not really. Any securing being done by the riser is just to keep it from falling off the gpu. The gpu still needs to be secured by the rear port bracket if you want any semblance of esthetics
5000d airflow no direct mounting for the riser, you have to fit in standoffs first for the riser to be screwed to
doesn't stop the riser coming off and shorting out
it's the plural noun of the same word
just needs slight movement for the riser to slide off the gpu
it is not a locked on secure fit
It can if there’s no lock
not a cord in the same esscense as a mains extension cord is like
even with a lock it still can
Oh yeah, that’s just on one side
considering exposed pins and shorting across the gpu's 'finger's' yes
mains extensions are a much tighter pressure fitting
it takes more force to dislodge mains cord
it means $1000 + cost of replacing parts
Just take our word for it that you need the bracket if the case isn’t specifically designed for it
would you even want to buy the same gpu a second time over because you fucked up not making sure everything was secure in the first place?
it's one of the posibilities to it
because of a persons heavy handedness, or due to major gpu sag over time
you'd be surprised
Some risers don’t have a lock
And even then, that’s only secured on one side
What experiment. Where did you see this
nzxt had a case that the riser didn't have proper ground protection and caught on fire instead
show the link/source
said standoffs used for the corsair case for the riser btw
Oh wait, sorry, I misread the message
aye, to heavy a gpu in a pcie socket can cause the socket to crack and fail, resulting in a possible short on the socket
The 4090 liquid suprim is only 2 slots so it won’t sag very much anyway
luckily
major resoldering of the socket
as in removal, clean up and then solder new one back in place
a good 3-4hour soldering job
if a heater bed is used, even less time soldering but that tends to lead to alot of what is known as cold soldering
It’s the same
the gpu takes up the same amount of case slot no matter the orientation, but it still can depend on if you wanted to have anything else mounted in the slots
A conversion bracket would use all the slots, but the gpu itself would use the same slots, obviously
i have a sata expansion card and a second ethernet card which are both full height there
where is gpu?
and now with the gpu vertically mounted hiding them
They all are
you don't see the Ethernet nor sata card but the gpu is a 2 slot gpu
all gpu's are unless they have an option to use a half height pcie bracket
There are still m.2 expansion cards and usb cards that are half height
half height gpu with full height bracket
bit of an oldie but still exists
half height gpu that's 2 slot for bracket
When the XX30/X300 gpus stopped, half height gpus stopped, afaik
4060 is half height
Oh, that low power weakling
4060, half height, 2 slot gpu
4070 with what pcb it has can go half height also
he's on about real cards
m.2 expansion card, half height
Oh
Yeah
You should
If it comes with a full height bracket
Most have both
Like 2 screws to switch it
The case only comes with slot covers
Yes
It can’t
It’s physically too big
You just have to make sure you buy the right card for your case
full height card in a case that's half height slots
Hot rod style XD
desktop/sff dell optiplex cases btw
no locking support on the gpu itself
no
it means the riser is attached to a bracket that is 2x fullheight slot
or the case (5000d airflow for example) has 2 full height slots for vertical mounting but only accesible if you use the riser
500d airflow rear
notice it has 2 full height slots there?
see how simple that was?
Literally how
i'mma have to do this
because no matter how many slots a mobo has, it's how the slots are spaced out
older atx mobo's had 5-7 pci/isa slots
the older name for pci/pcie cards = daughter board btw
eh not really
😂
more like how a child feeds of their mother
the daughter board 'feeds' of the mother board
are we done with expansion slots now?
Ok. So you want the 4090 liquid and itx? The phanteks g200a is what you should get
Oh, and an AIO on the CPU
if going itx, yes
basically the only itx case suitable for her needs
matx/atx even easier in comparison for compatible cases
though matx would be the most ideal build size
If she goes more reasonable for specs, itx would have more options
you mean p200a
would give the best upgradabilty while keeping it small enough for use in a van life build
he does yes
Yes, they have a g360a so I thought it would follow that naming scheme
though it's funny a $60-70 usd case matches her wants perfectly
Smaller number = smaller case, but of course they had to use a p instead
It is, yeah
tbh g360a fixes issues with the p360a when it was out
And is like the only one
Oh, interesting
essentially p360a was a lower end case
We need her to choose the case
Well, for itx, it’s obviously going to be the x670e one
which tbh the b650 still the better option
Probably not
And you shouldn’t use them anyway because they’ll be too close to the side glass
not without the side panel being left off/ using a custom vertical mount instead
The pins will be facing down
The vertical slots you shouldn’t use will be up against the side panel
could be facing upwards if it was an o11d evo
Just always use a conversion bracket tbh
that's how i've done mine, though with a modification to the rear of the case
What in the hell are you talking about
nope, that step is always done last incase of a forgotten loose cable
vertical mount with a built in holder
because of the gpu's own cooler
none
no difference
it's what the amount of slots the gpu takes up
I thought we were done with expansion slots
You didnt
Phanteks p200a will accommodate the 4090 liquid suprim + its radiator, as well as an aio for the cpu
2 slot bracket but due to the cooler it takes up 4 slots
You don’t remove 2 of the brackets, but it covers them
How is this not built yet swear it’s been 2 months
nope, liquid suprim x is fine for atx
you don't want to get a thicker gpu due to having a larger case
nope, it's fine for matx/atx
itx it causes an issue as you're limited to a single case that can do exactly what you want
waterforce is for custom loops only, and if it's anything like the 3080 version i would never want it near a pc, or i would swap it for an ekwb 4090 waterblock instead
the only thing gigabyte hasn't fucked up is their displays
their shit customer service doesn't help them
Leave, if you won’t help
Honestly, the phanteks p200a with the 4090 liquid and a 240mm aio on the cpu would be quite decent cooling.
power limit the 4090 to 60% and i dont think it will ever go above 60C
mf 280mm on a 4090
We literally have great options for every component
7950x3d
Thermalright frozen notte 240
4090 liquid
2 sticks 6000 cl30
multiple drives
Itx motherboard (dream wants x670e)
Thermaltake toughpower GF3 1200
Phanteks p200a
Am I missing anything?
Why 240mm and not 360?
Case constraints
Why buy an itx motherboard and put it in a case that fits 360. You may as well get matx or atx
Idk, I just know that’s a cheap cooler
lt520 also been mentioned to her before
also as she's not properly decided on the mobo, it makes any case choice not fully worth it
Ah
No she isn’t getting one
leave if you're not helping
what part of shes BUILDING her first pc do you get "i want a prebuilt" out of
and if you can build a pc prebuilds are shit
Budget prebuilts are shit but with a $10000 budget you might as well save yourslef the hassle as seen in this entire thread
no, just leave
Even then it’s still a worse deal cus you can’t individually pick every part and to pay someone to do that for you will cost 1k in labor alone
Yes spend 10k on a generic pile of garbage
All prebuilts are pretty ass imo
no prebuilt
end of story
anyone with the notion of a prebuilt can show themselves out of this thread
Oooo don’t shit yourselves 🤣
i would beg to differ
main gear is pretty nic3
price premium still lol
but as i said, if you keep saying prebuilt, leave now
this has also been a dream of the OP since 2013
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fits itx
32gb instead of 48gb,but you get the benefit of 14900k
what benefit
14th gen is ass
newer gen, marginally better, but better, also dominates in production
"newer gen". the 14900k is literally a 13900ks
there is fundamentally no difference
Nuh uh 0.1 percent better in cyberpunk
It's not even 3% better in any test
woah really? and that so justifies the extra price
It litteraly is
Eww solid front panel
You get an entire +0.1 ghz boost
xtu for 1 minute, done. $0 spent. but no, she's getting the 7950x3D which is better anyway
Pretty sure its the best gaming cpu rn right
Not like it can compete with my 64x2 4400+ athlon
7800x3d marginally faster for gaming because its a single ccd, but dream wants it to do more than gaming
Damn we building this for minecraft?
minecraft can be very demanding
Still generic cases
can confirm

8k path tracingminecraft on 64 render, 64 shadows, 64 simulation dist
6k for this 
is very very demanding
Yet a 4790K gets over 400 fps in it 
no, it needs to have the intel optane 905p because thats the best ssd (according to dream)
maingear.com doesent have those, could probbabky query maingea for a very custom build
just saying at this budget prebuilts are pretty nice
maingear doesnt have it because its a u.2 drive for data centers
where is thst
the 905p
i have a gen4 ssd in my laptop
around 5600/2000 iirc
i notice a small difference between it and a sata ssd
and it would give more and more diminishing returns
no, and the 14900k = 13900ks with a 200mhz oc added to it, which anyone can do, also as this be gaming alot, the cooling needed for a 13900k alone is a 360mm aio as minimum which you can not fiti into that case, and intel + itx never works well at all
this is just a big no
aye, and for an itx build, luckily the m.2 drive can have an active cooler added to it still in the p200a
oh yes, very true
bro
<@&750150305383186585>
troll
Ideal case for her tbh
If she wants itx, that is
holy racism batman
Where did that even come from, what??
damn... another post???
You thought it was done?
Actually yeah since i think i havent been active here} since like 3 weeks ago

So much of pc building is subjective tbh. Case, cpu cooler, gpu design, water cooling design, etc
Lets hope she ment a childrens looking case with the case being the colour black
“Ghetto looking”…….
🤣
The phanteks p200a is the best for her purposes
Itx, dual 240mm rad support (cpu aio + gpu aio)
Atx psu support
Ironically, it’s ≈$70
that is definitely the best one for her
Yeah
“futureproofing”
Was about to ask if it would fit, y’know since it’s 200mm long
Longer than some gpus
With 5mm to spare (will make cable management extremely tight)
A 1200w will be square and fit way better
(or the dark power 13)
Yeah, either that or the Thermaltake platinum whatever 1200w
Either would be great for van life
Meaning the entire pc would pretty much be chosen
now all thats left is for her to agree and buy it
(Dream would not settle for less than the x670e-i from asus)
arguably the hardest part
Time will tell
has she considered any coolers?
Who’s betting on her coming back here and asking us how to put it together
Frozen notte 240 or something would be good
wow its cheap, $53
don’t tell her about the ones with screens
does she want one or smth
😭
would she want corsair or nzxt
depends on whether it fits the pink/goth asthetic ( i dont know which one it is anymore they both kinda go against each other )
Nothing she had gotten has any pink on it
Really???
And the case won’t help
but has she gotten anything yet?
im trying to make a pcpp even though it will probably change in 0.0068 seconds
Chosen I mean
has she chosen anything then?
im still confused on how shes gonna get a 4090 to be pink and in a itx case
isnt that psu overkill?
Look at the phanteks p200a
yes
that looks dookie
Personal preference
fair fair
And it’s the only case that will accommodate the 4090 liquid and an aio cooled cpu
will it be a tight fit in the case
i like the fractal torrent so 🤣
with 2 aios
Probably, but I’m pretty sure it will work
Which is why the p200a is like the only case that will work
Yeah probably, but when hasn’t itx been tight
im filling in the rest of the list rn
It’s what she wants
Fair fair
She’ll have a real fun time powering it in a van
that makes me want to bang my head into a table 😭
For the power
a month, a year, ???
Story of my life in this thread
lmao
Maybe; idk
it let me add 2 t700s into the list
One will be used for her u.2 optane 905p
oh
Gen 5 still works in gen 4
ok im very confused rn
Yeah it’s the 905p and 1 t700
what does the title mean by 905p
It’s an optane data center drive
ok ok ok
But its her money
whats the benefit of a 2 x 48gb
the only thing left on the list is a cpu cooler
More ram without using 4 sticks (which is really bad for am5)
Just do the frozen notte for now
Also, apparently it oc’s well
yeaeh i know that
but why 48gb
wouldnt 2 x 24gb be cheaper and more efficient
or am i tripping
She has this 905 on her list
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MmP8TW/intel-optane-905p-960-gb-25-solid-state-drive-ssdpe21d960gam3
Idk, it’s probably similar
This is a -1 compromises machine though
wats that?
Less than a 0 compromises machine
lol
Except for the fact that itx itself is a compromise
But for itx, it is as good as it gets
No idea, because she hasn’t confirmed the case or cooler
Idk
“How to build a pc, the last guide you’ll ever need”
But that’s for later
Anyway, we should pause on messaging in here
mk
for custom loops only, not worth touching
for solar power setup with possible 'shore' power also connected
shore?
Oh my fucking god
Why is it taking so long to build a damn pc
Yall been here all fucking summer
If the excuse is "shes gathering money"
Then why the fuck do you talk so often
Deep ITX is where the MB is a bit longer on the RAM side of the board. As of now, Asrock is one of the only companies that does this, and it's for their Epyc board.
wat
Not related but i dont recommend having your paypal associates to your discord acc
whjy
Gen 14 is almost the same as gen 13 there really not eny improvement on it
basically running off the grid at places like caravan/ rv parks
it's not, it's basically 13th gen with a 200mhz oc on it
As i said …
You’re basically saying the same thing as me
https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1163495505142231220 if you need a thread thats progressing
What
Lol
basically agreeing and pointing out why
you seem mad at this thread, that is one that is progressing
Huh
So you think i need a thread that is actually making progress?
Well no
I was just asking why this thread is taking so long
poeple take time
refer to the pinned message. if you wont help, leave
why did you come here just to rant about how long the build is taking
We not in the same thread there no pin message enymore
There aint one creeperboy
Also this is one of the only cases in which i've seen a build take literal months
And yall havent even gotten to the building part
1000 messages
I mean like most people have like... a single thread, maybe two if a build is taking a while, this is thread 6 or so?
surely you have experience with seeing builds take time
nah like 5
Fr
do you know why its taken this long? Dream is trying to learn about all aspects of every component
"most people"
thats not dream
just feels... reaaallly excessive
You legit dont need to know the voltage of the fucking ram rgb
I say this is clickbait
(Some sort)
Trying to get this fucking build to be the biggest thread on this server
Anyways i aint gon argue
if you arent going to help, unfollow the thread and be about your day. ranting about it isn't productive to anyone
And this is a conspiracy*
Oh it's absolutely bait of some kind, I just like checkin in once a week or so to see how bad it's gotten this time around. It's an excessive build with more money thrown at it than would ever be necessary
no proof of it being a troll post or bait so stop saying it is
I can make the most racist joke but i just dont feel like it
So
First off
5 threads
Considering we're 5 threads in and the build hasn't started yet... I don't have any faith in this build at all
All with more than 1000 messages
are you here to help?
Average thread gets lets say 50-100 messages daily
5000 divided by 100
so just stop
500 messages idk how often
Oh yeah
Nvm. So we have around 5000 messages for each thread being generous rn
you have no idea what's been going on in this thread, so you have no right to flame it
creeper random ass question but why do u need to worry about message count
again, i ask you to leave if you wont help
im not, but they are for some reason
who?
i dont want people popping in here and be like "wHY aRE tHeRE sO mANy mESsaGEs"
Me*
oh fair fair
I just think it's really excessive to obsess over every little detail of a build like this, to the point where it's over 10k messages overall for a pc that hasn't even been started yet.
Why do you help her so much though
i dont disagree, but this is how she operates her life
i want her to succeed at building the pc. its been her dream (lol) since 2013

good. i told you to leave multiple times if you wont help
Back
Please stop pinging me
just leave
im iono
and?
why are you so adamant they leave lmao
im tired of trolls and people who arent helping in this thread
this build has taken months and hasn't even started yet, the skepticism here is healthy and warranted. hasn't been a technical question asked in a little bit anyways.
dream also has a job
i am iono
fr
....what does that have to do with anything
who are you?
wdym
i love how irrelevant that is to any of this
thats why she hasnt been asking very many questions recently
i study IT for 8 hours a day lmao
i can get a pc list sorted in 20 mins max
build it in 30 mins
and that's not dream
lol
Lets stop trying
Your talking to a brick wall
Not worth it
yo i started watching one piece
Just move on with life ig
im on episode 8
And come back next week to complain
Watch breaking bad
none of this is relevent to the thread, lets all just stop talking
already have
Better call saull?
mhm
El camino?
nah
can y'all just stop
Pretty sure Walt's empire took less time to make than this build 
Nice to see jesses ending
It fucking did lmaooooo
rip stampys lovely world
Yeah
they have it on the news in my country lmao
lemme link the article
oh someones at the door
ok back
hella sad
dont need to be racist dream already is
Lmaooo
ooh, we get racism and homophobia in this thread? 
ull be caught up before dream even buys anything
hold on lemme find it its awful
found it
still shocked that she isnt banned
just racism for the sake of being racist there, wow
ping mod role not individual mods
mods watch this thread like a hawk too though lmao
apparently not
From my experience dont
Anyways i remember
Actually nvm
I was gonna say it took me a month to make a pc but i got a prebuilt
its specifically laid out in the rules actually. also, many of the mods have that in their about me section
However it did take me a single week of careful consideration to pick a cpu and gpu
Okay
with creeperboys homophobia and dreams racism nothing can stand in their way of being the most bigoted duo on the server

What
real
Creeper boys whay?
What*
his old bio
creeperboy's bio used to just be straight up homophobic
i mean... that's kinda what being homophobic is?
"i dont support lgbtq, there are only 2 genders" or something like that
"i don't support you existing but i don't care either" isn't the nuanced take you think it is