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#❤ itx, 7950x3d, 4090, DDR5 2x48gb, 905p, t700, ax1600i, x670e ❤
wind spire
fading thicket
she has returned
wind spire
Wait a second… you actually made lists?!?
Holy shit it’s a miracle
I wouldn’t recommend 4 sticks of DDR5, it’s unstable. I doubt you’d even get close to using all 96gb of ram
Oh okay
Okay, You’d have to run the sticks at reduced speeds btw, so theres no point getting anything other than the cheapest 2x48gb kits
cinder agate
Bc Michael is going intel. More chance 4 sticks will run stable on a higher clock on intel than on AMD
west hornet
7950x3d?
dusk rapids
DDR5 feels like shite
west hornet
oh workstation
dusk rapids
It literally has a negligible benefit to ddr4,but with more instability
wind spire
It literally has a negligible benefit to ddr4,but with more instability
Was about to say lol, DDR3?!?
dusk rapids
I still use ddr4 in my celery laptop
west hornet
we love celeron
wind spire
But yeah the DDR5 would probably be running at DDR4 speeds with 4 sticks
dusk rapids
Ddr4*
Ddr3*
Just go 128gb of ddr4
And das it
Simple as fuck
7950x3d,matrix 4090
MSI expensive af mobo
128gb of RGB ddr4
wind spire
MSI expensive af mobo
The Godlike?
dusk rapids
Yeah
dusk rapids
And an RMx shift 1600w
Add the current meta case (lianli 011 variant)
And enjoy
Oh ye forgot
Buy 14900k
It got released recently IIRC
dusk rapids
Ok and
wind spire
Very sad
dusk rapids
Dreams is already splurging
wind spire
Intel dropped the ball
dusk rapids
Ok then 2x48gb of 7950x3d
wind spire
13900KS will probably oc high enough to beat it
wind spire
O11d mini sucks
It’s atx mid tower aswell
Also dream, literally zero AM5 itx boards support that U.2 ssd
To m.2?
Might want to consider going matx then
Ok
cinder agate
computer temps are measured in celsius
Temps in general by ppl that arent US lol
fading thicket
even in the us we use celsius for computer temps bc its easier to compare them online
cinder agate
In an itx case with the components u wang to use you'll have to fight for every degree u can get, yes
Probably more likely will have to downclock instead of overclock
Generally speaking 90 for CPU and 80 for GPU. In most cases u can peak a bit higher for short periods of time, but you kinda want to aim to 80 for CPU and 70 for GPU on full load. Lower = better.
runic delta
In an itx case with the components u wang to use you'll have to fight for every ...
Id say the nr200p will be one of her best bets
Ive read some reviews and one guy has a supreme liquid x in an nr200 (sorry not 200p) and it runs relatively cool
The only thing is an nr 200p wout fit a proper 360mm cpu rad
cinder agate
Or an open itx bench, but that has other downsides
runic delta
Maybe the ap201?
The nzxt h1 is out from the bat as oorc it only supports the 120mm cpu aio
I mean a 240mm for a 7950x3d is fine but not the greatest
The problem is where on earth does a itx case with 2x240mm rad support exist
And also other intake fans
cinder agate
The problem is where on earth does a itx case with 2x240mm rad support exist
Right. I think it'll only be possible with extremely tight and well thought out custom loops
cinder agate
Or you need to be able to mount one outside the case .. but why going itx in the first place then lol
cinder agate
Its her first build
Allegedly, if it happens lol
runic delta
Or you need to be able to mount one outside the case .. but why going itx in the...
Mini matx like the ch370 or even prolly an ap201 will be the better choice imo, small case still but better airflow and space
Dust and also if you accidentally spill sth on it
Also otd be easier to introduce static inot the pc
cinder agate
Dust and also if you accidentally spill sth on it
Owwie fingers in the fans
He means static air pressure
To keep dust out and whatnot
runic delta
The liquid x comes with a 240 rad but talking from experience here even a 360mm rad struggles to tame a 7950x (yes higher tdp but iirc around the same boost wattage) like at max all core load an nzxt aio at full blast can barely keep it under 87 celsius
Tbh nzxt aios are kinda shit but it was my friends choice
No static air pressure is like let's say negative pressure in a case, I.e more exhaust than intake causes negative air pressure pulling fresh air into the case albeit a lot more dust than positiv3 air pressurw
They do boost in tdp to around the same wattage tho iirc
Just checked
X3d boosts to around 170w and the normal 7950x boosts to 230w
cinder agate
Theres static pressure fans and airflow fans. Static pressure fans will be better to get air through tight spaces. While airflow fans just provide more flow, but that flow might skip certain spots bc it choses the easiest way to flow
In an open bench its basically impossible to use static pressure fans bc u cant create the pressure bc its open
runic delta
You might aswell go with air cooling ngl
Unless youre all about the fancy screens ok aios and all
Air collers will have better performance for space they take than aios
cinder agate
You might aswell go with air cooling ngl
I can barely get the 7900x cooled with air
runic delta
Also they're way cheaper
runic delta
I can barely get the 7900x cooled with air
An nh d15 would be able to handle a 7950x3d
Ofc as long as on oc Is applied
cinder agate
I can barely get the 7900x cooled with air
With an nhd15 lol
runic delta
And itd prolly be better than a 240mm aio
cinder agate
And extra fan
I should check
Okay, but to be fair
I have fans ar like 20%
Bc i dont want a jet engine next to me
So yes.. at full load it cools better... But the dB's 🥲
cinder agate
I can barely get the 7900x cooled with air
I also meant 7700x *
Oh right. I remember I fixed it by putting it on eco power settings. For games i didnt rly lose any performance, I might have gained some actually. But big big difference in temps. Like 20°
So thats why I think a 7950x3d that will actually use all its cores will definitely thermal throttle often.
runic delta
Hmmmm
I'd say just go matx
No custom loop juts a 360mm aio
And tgat supreme liquid x
Just since the nr200p can't support 2 240mm aios iirc
That ventus card has pretty decent vrms and build q
Also imo it looks better than the suprim liquid
The thing is both rads should preferably be exhaust so where would intake be
Well more exh than in is negative and you can rlly have fans pulling air thru a rad cos its gonna be heated up
cinder agate
Mount the rads on top of eachother 
runic delta
Anyways I gtg sleep its 1am gl on your journey dream
cinder agate
Cant really say intake or outtake are neg or pos
You can have more of one, but fewer of the other can still provide more pressure
Its just the pressure inside the case compaired to outside the case
Higher pressure in the case than outside = pos
Lower pressure inside = neg
Like how some medical facilities have pos pressure rooms
Or anywhere whey they wanna keep dust out. Like the chip production facilities
cinder agate
Cute and looks nice, but you'll lose (a lot) on performance. It's whatever u prefer tho: cuteness/style over performance
cosmic finch
Micheal is doing a lot of crazy things lol
fading thicket
putting a 4090 in a sff case is still pretty crazy
cinder agate
Then he'll just buy a 2nd and 3rd to spread the load lol
cosmic finch
Well i grab higher then I’m planning to run
torpid sluice
That’s works
Fair warning you still may run into windows errors with 6600 2 stick kit
1600 watt PSU sheeshhhh
cosmic finch
That why it easy to get the speeds i want
It looks better then having 2 empty slots honestly
fair vapor
Just go 128gb of ddr4
you do realise am5 is ddr5 only and will never do ddr4
@untold kelpmost itx cases will never be able to have the axi in so you need to swap that out with an sfx/sfx-l
because someone else is doing something does not mean you should copy them, and as for ram is concerned you will have to sell them on for what you don't use, remember anything over 64gb will be unstable with amd, especially when running 4 sticks of ddr5
fair vapor
Temps in general by ppl that arent US lol
nope, it's been the general temp measurement everywhere, it's americans who refuse to use the correct terms for temp measurements in regards to pc's that end up confusing them and going "is my system running to hot?"
thermal throttle temp is 95c, thermal shutdown temp is 105-115c depending on intel or amd for the cpu
thermal throttle temp for a gpu's core is 90-95c and for vram 95-100c while thermal shutdown temp is 110-120c on the core and 120-130c on the vram, and the vram can cause the gpu to thermal throttle before the core does
fair vapor
Ive read some reviews and one guy has a supreme liquid x in an nr200 (sorry not ...
thing is, the nr200p means she has to compromise as it doesn't allow for her to cool her gpu properly nor her cpu tbh dude
runic delta
thing is, the nr200p means she has to compromise as it doesn't allow for her to ...
Yeah if you scrolled down a bit youd know I decided that case is a bad idea
fair vapor
The problem is where on earth does a itx case with 2x240mm rad support exist
only 2 maybe 3 exist for that possibility and one of which is a small easybake oven of a case made by nzxt
runic delta
The h1?
fair vapor
h200
fair vapor
Nzxt h210i?
this also, but it's terribad
runic delta
They've been discontinued iirc
fair vapor
yeah, her whole system will thermal throttle in it tbh
runic delta
this also, but it's terribad
Meshify 2 nano might be a choice but you'll have to go air cooled for cpu as you cant install top mount rads in that case
Omly a front 120-280 rad
And tgat case has pretty decent airflow but its either water-cooled gpu or cpu
fair vapor
torrent compact would be more ideal tbf
though that means gpu rad on the front, and a air cooler or 120mm aio for cpu
fair vapor
with pbo2 + curve optimizer tuning and some undervolting, it could
runic delta
Wouldn't she lose quite a significant amnt of performance tho
fair vapor
from what i've seen it might be able to do 2x 240mm aio's on the meshify
fair vapor
Wouldn't she lose quite a significant amnt of performance tho
nope
runic delta
from what i've seen it might be able to do 2x 240mm aio's on the meshify
The thing is you can't mount rads on top of the mobo as there's only like 15mm of clearance between the case and motherboard components
fair vapor
pbo gives you some performance gains, curve optimizer itself reduces power draw per core which in turn makes it run slightly cooler, and with an undervolt on top it can run even cooler
runic delta
A way to get around that would be maybe to get a mobo without vrm heatsinks and low profile components but thats like a620 and b650 entry level
fair vapor
tbh there's several high end mobo's that have no need for vrm heatsinks
mainly due to how they're configured
runic delta
Like?
Remember ofc a 3.2 gen 1 and gen 2 header is needed
Just cos of the meshify 2
fair vapor
Remember ofc a 3.2 gen 1 and gen 2 header is needed
only a 3.0 header needed tbh, you can get a small splitter adapter
runic delta
But just to get full speed of gen 2
Yk how she is with everything being fully compatible and all
fair vapor
But just to get full speed of gen 2
and you still get that with said splitter
if said header does gen 2 speed it's do that through the splitter
runic delta
Huh I didn't know that I though the usb 3 fp ia diff from the usb c 3.2 header
fair vapor
usb c uses a type E header for it on the mobo but you can convert out to that
but if the 19 pin header for usb 3 already does gen 2 speed, it makes no matter
@runic delta this exists
designed for those that only have a 3.0 header but needs both
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vshFf7/phanteks-eclipse-p200a-drgb-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec200atg_dbk01 funnily enough the cheapest while being the better option itx wise to handle what she wants to do though psu probable will need to be dropped to a sfx/sfx-l
$60 and does exactly as she wants
ofcourse she'd have to vertically mount the gpu for it to be most effective for how she'd want to have everything cooled
but it does mean she can use 2x 240mm rads with the fans in 2 different positions
the much more expensive cases can't even do this without some form of case modding
otherwise it's mATX or bigger
all these builds are based around an air cooled gpu, not liquid cooled
not really, it's how you're supposed to measure gpu temps in
fair vapor
Tends to be more of , "you want sff, time to pay a premium for it on all your parts"
torpid sluice
It looks better then having 2 empty slots honestly
Doesn’t corsair make fake rgb ram kits for aesthetics?
cosmic finch
Doesn’t corsair make fake rgb ram kits for aesthetics?
I did trident
leaden fossil
Doesn’t corsair make fake rgb ram kits for aesthetics?
yea they r just dummy ram sticks which have the rgb
torpid sluice
Yea they’re just fake RGB sticks that are Leds
Buttttt I haven’t seen them for ddr5 just ddr4 so
cinder agate
fair vapor
Doesn’t corsair make fake rgb ram kits for aesthetics?
they do
vengence pro and dominator both have a fake dummy stick made for them in regards to using a mobo that can take 4 ram sticks
the dominator titanium doesn't have a fake one yet, and it's highly unlikely to be running at 6600mhz
corsair usual treat dominators better than their vengence line, but we're talking 1st gen amd ddr5 imc
fair vapor
don't, save yourself the headache as a first time builder and just get 6000 cl30/32 ram
as for it will be more than a weekends worth of tuning to get it to what you want it to be with the right timings
upbeat sinew
another one?...
cosmic finch
im worried youre not gunna get the right cooling for the gpu and cpu in a small case
fair vapor
it's more than just putting the timings in, it's also testing the stability of the timings as well
and with that stability it's what else it also affects
the stability test alone can last up to 8 hours each time
cosmic finch
Yeah but like specs LIE a lot. GN does amazing case reviews
fair vapor
well i found the only itx case to match what you want to do
works for your gpu, does 2x240 rad
just means spraying the case to the colour you want
devout willow
o11 mini supremacy
fair vapor
yup
fair vapor
o11 mini supremacy
sadly no, won't take the psu she wants to use
fair vapor
from what i can see it possibly can
fair vapor
wait youre buying the ax1600i?
o11d mini
not really, as it's phanteks
phanteks p200a btw @untold kelp
fair vapor
air mini though
devout willow
looking at the dimensions, that does not seem mini
fair vapor
looking at the dimensions, that does not seem mini
it's not, it's more mid-ATX
devout willow
that thing supports eatx??
near seal
depends on if you want the fishtank look or all the airflow + 1
fair vapor
atx
near seal
anywho, what's being discussed now? cases?
devout willow
extremely personal preference
fair vapor
that thing supports eatx??
eatx would be over it's limit tbf
i'd avoid any of the o11's for your use case tbh, they work better as a custom loop case
near seal
if its going to be itx, the obvious choice is an itx case
fair vapor
ax600i specs
near seal
wait wtf. why is it itx with a 1600i? thats really stupid
what kind of case do you want? do you want a tall case with a narrow footprint? do you want a traditional tower case? do you want a desktop style?
fair vapor
what kind of case do you want? do you want a tall case with a narrow footprint? ...
go on pcpp, create a new list wiht just the msi liquid supirm x 4090 and a lt520
cinder agate
So no itx case then. Even if you'ld find one if would be so stuffed that u wong have sufficient airflow all together
fair vapor
easiest way to search on there for a case to fit
near seal
how's the 2000D for rad compatibility
devout willow
aio
fair vapor
deepcool's 240mm aio
devout willow
isnt the galahad 2 better
fair vapor
how's the 2000D for rad compatibility
sucks
fair vapor
isnt the galahad 2 better
nope
fair vapor
yes but it can't do 2x 240mm aio
devout willow
what about a meshroom s
near seal
easiest way to search on there for a case to fit
does one even exist thats itx only?
devout willow
nvm that shits $340
fair vapor
it can't do that due to the gpu you want to use
devout willow
no, ssupd is the brand
fair vapor
does one even exist thats itx only?
phanteks p200a
devout willow
fair vapor
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c2gFf7/ssupd-meshroom-s-wpcie-40-riser-atx-mini...
can't do 2 rads + the gpu
devout willow
wait, 2 rads and the gpu rad?
near seal
phanteks p200a
well there's the case then
fair vapor
wait, 2 rads and the gpu rad?
no, gpu rad + cpu rad + gpu size itself
fair vapor
what is said in the manual and how you'll physically fit it in differs
remember what i showed you earlier/yesturday when you looked up about the pink nr200p?
near seal
honestly give up on a 4090 liquid
devout willow
too far in
fair vapor
it's the same with a different side
near seal
also has no glass side panel - replaces it with some mesh for gpu
devout willow
no rgb either it seems
near seal
yeah she said that
devout willow
oopsie
fair vapor
fun fact, the drgb and performance ones are interchangable for parts
just like how you can interchange between a 4000d, 4000d AF and a 4000x
devout willow
inflated store price probably
fair vapor
the sellers
near seal
everyone probably wanted the "performance" version
devout willow
i doubt
near seal
i think what needs to happen is either itx needs to be dropped or the liquid suprim needs to be dropped
fair vapor
on the performance one
that mesh over the gpu allows you to put extra fans above the gpu
so you can add extra airflow over the gpu itself
devout willow
are we getting into this can of worms again
near seal
unless we settle for this case right now
fair vapor
asus tuf gaming oc 4090
near seal
does the phanteks 200a support atx psus?
near seal
lol
near seal
if dream wants the combination of parts she has chosen now, the p200a is the obvious choice. with the reasonable thickness of the liquid suprim, the D-RGB version is probably fine
near seal
p200a's allowance = 205mm
190mm recommended
literally 100% of itx builds have tight cable management
fair vapor
if you dropped to a good 1200w psu it would allow for less tightness on the cables which is better for your system to not short out
near seal
sff, i should say
fair vapor
literally 100% of itx builds have tight cable management
yeah but not a hair's gap of tightness
near seal
what?
how about this psu
https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Platinum-Modular-SST-HA1200R-PM/dp/B0BKQZJ3QK
yes
fair vapor
fair vapor
https://nzxt.com/collection/h1
not viable
near seal
one thing to note, any psu higher than like 1200w is going to have a different power cord from all below that
cosmic finch
not viable
Dang what’s the issue?
fair vapor
Dang what’s the issue?
120mm only
cosmic finch
Dang that a cute case too and comes in many colors
near seal
one thing to note, any psu higher than like 1200w is going to have a different p...
and not near as common
fair vapor
Dang that a cute case too and comes in many colors
the first version caught on fire
cosmic finch
the first version caught on fire
Oh i remeber but i know they improved a lot
fair vapor
also hyte revolt > h1
cosmic finch
I’ll be using it for my media center pc in the future
near seal
ax1600i vs Silverstone HELA 1200R
fair vapor
I’ll be using it for my media center pc in the future
you'd be better off with the hyte one
near seal
ax1600i vs Silverstone HELA 1200R
@untold kelp
fair vapor
@cosmic finchhttps://hyte.com/store/revolt-3?v=84
cosmic finch
Oh that cute too!
near seal
the one on the higher wattage ones are designed for higher power, but it means you're stuck with a far less common power cord
near seal
its literally the phanteks 200a or nothing
fair vapor
he's refering to the semi-fanless switch
near seal
he's refering to the semi-fanless switch
no, the power plug
the one on the higher wattage ones are designed for higher power, but it means you're stuck with a less common power cord
cosmic finch
One thing about power supplies too is efficiency rating. I like using titanium rated psus
near seal
toggling that allowes the fan to switch off under low load, aka when your not gaming.
but thats not what i was talking about. i was talking about the AC power plug
cosmic finch
fair vapor
the one on the higher wattage ones are designed for higher power, but it means y...
that's just the different end the for when it plugs into the wall, on the psu side itself it's still a c14 plug
near seal
that's just the different end the for when it plugs into the wall, on the psu si...
what?
fair vapor
to manually control when the fan kicks in essentially
fair vapor
they're literally not the same
it's a c14 variation, though because america likes to have 300 different plug types
near seal
the p200a, you'd want the psu fan on anyway to be an exhaust
fair vapor
it doesn't need it
cosmic finch
It’s a 30amp cable vs 20amp too isn’t it?
fair vapor
hell, the hela doesn't need it either, it's an optional extra they added to it
fair vapor
It’s a 30amp cable vs 20amp too isn’t it?
if in america maybe, with something like a nema15 plug on
cosmic finch
The EVGA the cable itself says 30amp
near seal
it's a c14 variation, though because america likes to have 300 different plug t...
and 110v wall power :/
or is it 120? idc its all trash
fair vapor
they never did, you have a board inside the psu thast monitors it's temps and controlls the fan speed
fair vapor
and 110v wall power :/
or is it 120? idc its all trash
110/120 is american main outlet tbf
you guys like to split it rather than have it be efficient
cosmic finch
you guys like to split it rather than have it be efficient
Hey now
fair vapor
american mains grid could do 240v and end up being like us brits
cosmic finch
We like our electric like we like our trucks!
fair vapor
4kw on a socket without tripping the breakers
near seal
can the 1600i do 1600w at 110/120v?
fair vapor
can the 1600i do 1600w at 110/120v?
yes on a 30amp circuit for itself
near seal
The less efficient the better!
wasn't it convenient when gas prices went up, the number of trucks on the road dropped significantly
near seal
yes on a 30amp circuit for itself
but not on a normal house circuit
cosmic finch
wasn't it convenient when gas prices went up, the number of trucks on the road d...
Not where i live lol
fair vapor
but not on a normal house circuit
nope, you'll blow a breaker trying to go over 1,2kw
cosmic finch
Out in the country every driveway has 1 truck if not 2 like ours lol
near seal
nope, you'll blow a breaker trying to go over 1,2kw
heh, another reason to get a 1200w instead -_-
fair vapor
nope, you'll blow a breaker trying to go over 1,2kw
meanwhile in the uk......
near seal
size and power constraints
near seal
meanwhile in the uk......
2050w
fair vapor
heh, another reason to get a 1200w instead -_-
even that requires it's own separate circuit in america
fair vapor
*2050w*
3960w before heating up, 4kw to see it get warm, over that to see sparks/breakers tripping
near seal
1000w to 1200w psu is the best choice
near seal
3960w before heating up, 4kw to see it get warm, over that to see sparks/breaker...
yeah makes sense. i was referring to the highest wattage consumer psu on the market (that i know of)
fair vapor
ah, fair enough
near seal
it even says it only does 1600w on 110
fair vapor
british sockets still the most safest sockets compared to american
cosmic finch
not to derail this but have you though about a desk pc case?
near seal
has van life been confirmed?
cosmic finch
kill two birds with 1 stone
near seal
not to derail this but have you though about a desk pc case?
tbh most desk pc's are not really that good
fair vapor
tbh most desk pc's are not really that good
unless they're custom built chassis
cinder agate
has van life been confirmed?
I think the confirming part is where we always get stuck here lol
fair vapor
has van life been confirmed?
no
near seal
too many compromises. either too thick or not enough space for proper components
fair vapor
tbf, a 4u server rack case would be the best case for van life
near seal
tbf, a 4u server rack case would be the best case for van life
for what reason
cosmic finch
i didnt know it was that huge lol but thats a cute case
near seal
all that tracking after the "?"
cinder agate
i didnt know it was that huge lol but thats a cute case
Link bigger than the case
cosmic finch
Link bigger than the case
facts lol
fair vapor
for what reason
can mount it in such away you can take advantage of it's size and build to cooling to be directly vented in/out the van's side
cinder agate
facts lol
Also pretty sure thats a case of some cheap espresso machine somewhere in China
near seal
rip 4090
cosmic finch
wont fit a 4090
fair vapor
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-005R-000D8?item=9SIBGX1JA26888&source=region&nm_mc=...
the coffee machine case
near seal
you'd have to get a specifically short gpu
fair vapor
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-005R-000D8?item=9SIBGX1JA26888&source=region&nm_mc=...
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-005R-000D8 shrunketh the link
cosmic finch
i wonder is a FE with a water black with fit
cosmic finch
absolute worst possible
How so?
cosmic finch
The lines are on the bottom lol GN approved
cinder agate
Just flip the case lol
cosmic finch
Some AIOs have the pump on the rad
near seal
pump at top of loop + air = dead aio
fair vapor
Some AIOs have the pump on the rad
yeah, those are not great
near seal
why is everyone not understanding GN's aio video smh. as long as some portion of the rad is above the pump, it wont die
fair vapor
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/psu/cp-9020253-uk/rm1000x-shift-80-plus-gold-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020253-uk this can work as a 1000w psu for your build
cinder agate
why is everyone not understanding GN's aio video smh. as long as some portion of...
Have you seen how long GN videos are? In todays world of tiktok attention span? How are u surprised 😀
near seal
Have you seen how long GN videos are? In todays world of tiktok attention span? ...
yeah......
i post this video every time there's an argument about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwA7ygTJn0&pp=ygURanRjIGFpbyBwbGFjZW1lbnQ%3D
cinder agate
You need to find one thats 30 seconds or shorter 🤓
fair vapor
@near seal his face says it all
near seal
<@797640137273901137> his face says it all
LOL
cosmic finch
correct me if im wrong isnt that case using the better then?
near seal
how to kill your aio
this one?
fair vapor
correct me if im wrong isnt that case using the better then?
no, it's using the 'bad'
cosmic finch
the pump is twords the middle and the rad goes to the top of the back of the case
fair vapor
the pump is twords the middle and the rad goes to the top of the back of the cas...
it's going to the bottom not back
cosmic finch
no its not
near seal
no its not
how they advertize it, it is
cosmic finch
near seal
its the "bad" orientation
cosmic finch
look at where the gpu it this is showing the back
near seal
wait thats where it is?
cosmic finch
yea
near seal
then yes, thats the "better" orientation
cosmic finch
that why i was so confused you guys saying it bad
near seal
i just assumed it was on the bottom
cosmic finch
i was like pretty sure thats actaully a great placement
That case actually looo decent just the issue is gpu
cosmic finch
The price is kinda crazy too
near seal
and a bti of a waste of money
near seal
The price is kinda crazy too
oh yeah, $300 for not much gpu support
cosmic finch
Nvm most that money is spent on the glass!
It’s tempered glass that’s curved that crazy expensive
fair vapor
that why i was so confused you guys saying it bad
blame the image on newegg then, it showed the tubes going to the bottom
cosmic finch
blame the image on newegg then, it showed the tubes going to the bottom
They are going to the bottom just they go to the back after
I bet that glass cost about half the expense to make that case
cosmic finch
What’s the best gpu should could fit?
fair vapor
What’s the best gpu should could fit?
check what it states as max gpu size
cinder agate
Lets just go for integrated graphics
fair vapor
Wait she wants itx and a 7950x3d AND 4090?
1 of 3 options
fair vapor
not just cpu, but primarily the cpu
near seal
Any liquid cooling system
It’s the same. But usually, the rad is higher than the gpu anyway
fair vapor
if the cpu was being air cooled then you would aim to have the rad from the gpu on the top
near seal
Really only applies when the AIO does not span the entire available space. Aka 240 in a 360mm spot, 120 in a 240
fair vapor
but with the p200a, you can do the gpu rad on the front and the aio rad for the cpu on the side
near seal
which is why you should pick that one if you want itx and 4090 liquid suprim
fair vapor
near seal
horizontal would be ideal to keep the rear exhaust
unless you put the rads in intake + exhaust
then idk
fair vapor
shown with a custom loop but as 2x240mm rad
fair vapor
unless you put the rads in intake + exhaust
which is what i would do with the case
fair vapor
fans on the side the front panel is cliped on
near seal
vertical would actually be better for that
fair vapor
idk how the 12vhpwr connector would fit
quite easily as long as you'd use a custom cable or in the case of the axi, corsairs own pcie to pcie5.0 cable
rmx shift is the only psu i can't use in my case currently
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/s/legacy-psu-cable-compatibility
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/s/psu-cable-compatibility
where corsair uses a singular pinout per each gen type, it's easier to find the compatability
near seal
quite easily as long as you'd use a custom cable or in the case of the axi, cor...
Oh yeah, true
cinder agate
Only reason I can think of
I dno, I've never seen it/used it
Inches on monitors, yes
Besides that I only really use metric I think
near seal
thats backwards
well
liters are metric
And also SI
Cubic feet is only imperial units
near seal
https://tenor.com/view/usa-trump-2020-gif-18590019
Correct
cosmic finch
4 120mm fans
That’s my case lol
where do you see mobo try?
having 3 360mm rads in the same case
oh that to the right of the mobo
no
pretty sure that where its talking about
i would call it the back
gotcha
then yea the side
ah
im not putting a rad there im putting a distro plate
its helps when doing custom looping
work as a res too
and pump
im running 2 pumps and 2 res
devout willow
distro plates are pretty
cosmic finch
distro plates are pretty
youre pretty
yes
some have water pumps but what they are mostly for is helping manage your piping
whats stopping you?
the inexperiance?
yep that sounds about right
well tbh some of the smalled pc builds ive seen have been achived becuase of custom water cooling
you mean soft tubing?
gotcha i was like hard tubing is plastic too... unless you do acrylic... ill never do acrylic again
this is my first build doing metal tubing tho
black soft tubing doesnt look too bad
@untold kelp i hope you know i was never trying to start problem btw just having fun?
devout willow
youre pretty
:3
fair vapor
as all things for computers are metric measured, no
also metric vs imperial, especially american imperial for conversion leaves to many discrepencies
fair vapor
yep that sounds about right
van life will be what's stopping her the most tbh
devout willow
barely
cinder agate
She’s gunna get enough power from a van for 1200 watt psu,
And 3 monitors and a microwave and fridge/freezer, yes 🤓
cinder agate
Very long power cable
cosmic finch
is she only going to play when shes at a restop or something?
or is she parking at a friends/family house?
cinder agate
I think that will be the only way. Or she has to buy a place and set up like 5 solar panels or build a windmil lol
Generator will be the only option to actually be mobile i guess. I dont think any practical solar and battery combo can power that stuff for longer than 30 minutes lol
fair vapor
generator?
solar/genny
fair vapor
Generator will be the only option to actually be mobile i guess. I dont think an...
you'd be surprised, i've already advised her on what a good solar setup is like
fair vapor
I think that will be the only way. Or she has to buy a place and set up like 5 s...
it depends on what wattage the solar panels are and what batteries are used
cinder agate
And if she stations in the desert or not, which is not the case I believe lol
In winter she'll have to rent a garage to stay in to keep warm and powered up at night
fair vapor
In winter she'll have to rent a garage to stay in to keep warm and powered up at...
not really, there is a very efficient diesel powered heater that can be used
cinder agate
Im way too lazy for van life lol. All the extra chores and difficulties.. bleh
Respect for ppl who live it tho, I could never
fair vapor
Im way too lazy for van life lol. All the extra chores and difficulties.. bleh
R...
eh, it's more of general maintenance of your vehicle than anything else otherwise, it's less chores than a house
cinder agate
No, I mean just stuff thats normal in a house that isnt in a van. I like to sleep in my big comfy bed, I like to wake up and walk in my steamy hot walk in shower while im heating up leftover food from the day before
Just getting (warm) water in a van is already a chore. Or you need to go and use some public shower
fair vapor
No, I mean just stuff thats normal in a house that isnt in a van. I like to slee...
all of this can be done in a van
fair vapor
Just getting (warm) water in a van is already a chore. Or you need to go and use...
the public shower is always an option but getting hotwater into a van is easy
cinder agate
Yes.. but it all takes extra effort
Or u lose mobility, but why living van life then
fair vapor
Yes.. but it all takes extra effort
nope, same effort as it would in a house, the only difference is it's a 100L tank normally used to store the water first
cinder agate
I'm just not a happy camper kinda person 😂
cinder agate
nope, same effort as it would in a house, the only difference is it's a 100L tan...
Exactly.. need to fill it up every x days
Toilet.. one of those other things thats just there in a house and all you have to do is flush it.
devout willow
Toilet.. one of those other things thats just there in a house and all you have ...
just shit outside
fair vapor
Exactly.. need to fill it up every x days
eh, that's enough for a week to 2 weeks worth of water tbh depending on use
and most go for composting toilets instead of a flushing toilet
cinder agate
and most go for composting toilets instead of a flushing toilet
yes exactly.. have fun with that. Nah nah, just easy lazy house life for me lol
native forge
eh, that's enough for a week to 2 weeks worth of water tbh depending on use
You’d lose your 20 mins showers
If you’re far from civilization might not even be an option
fair vapor
You’d lose your 20 mins showers
not really, you can have it setup with multiple filters and for the shower itself at least, have the water recirculate
that can extend out water use a bit between clean out and refills
fair vapor
fresh water and a grey water tank are always separate, but yeah, usually a 100L fresh, 50-100L grey water depending on the setup
cinder agate
We get that, but you still have the chore of refilling the tank and cleaning the filters. While lazy and wasteful ppl (like me) just prefer flipping a handle and having infinite amount of water lol
native forge
We get that, but you still have the chore of refilling the tank and cleaning the...
Same
Shower for 40 mins no prob
Get good water pressure and amount
fair vapor
a generator basically coverts petrochemicals via an engine into kenetic energy which drives a motor to create the power you want
inverters just convert from dc voltage to ac voltage
in most cases, generators create AC power easily, and only require a rectifier inline if you want to drop it to dc power
the closest you get to a generator on a vehicle is the alternator tbh
torpid sluice
Alternators shouldn't ever be used to handle heavy loads like that tho
they are designed to only maintain the battery and its what keeps your vehicle running
fair vapor
true they are, though you can get a dc to dc kit that while the vehicle is in motion it keeps the batteries for your offgrid setup topped up alongside what the solar panels/charger is doing
torpid sluice
Yea for sure
fair vapor
ultimately 4-5 solar panels at 250-400w with a 15-30amp charger on 2+ batteries connected up to a decent inverter
fair vapor
should be more than enough, considering that you can get an inverter with 94-96% efficiency nowadays
fair vapor
ultimately 4-5 solar panels at 250-400w with a 15-30amp charger on 2+ batteries ...
this assume at peak performance 1,250w - 2000w of solar power btw
hearty lance
Not sure that’s true if it is max 1 hour
near seal
you'll barely use it
so?
and not all of them have that many headers
no
they dont
cases cant assume you have a $500 motherboard
what chipset
not everyone is using am5 either
7000D has 4 usb a
in the picture
probably 1, maybe 2 physical connections to the motherboard
o11 evo has 2 usb a
but as i said, front io is not used very much
i mean, its mainly used for usb drives, and those aren't always plugged in
yeah, most usb remains always plugged in
yes
you really wont use it that much tho
and since most motherboards dont have that much usb 3.0/3.1 (cases usually dont have usb 2 front io), they cant just load the case with io
itll either be bandwidth limited, or header limited
what motherboard is that
oh yeah
lol
its made for custom watercooling
near seal
yes
no
no, they need something to cool
its still not cooling anything
the water isnt cooling anything. and therefore, the radiator isnt cooling anything
that would be a result of the fans not the rad
480mm case fans wouldnt fit in any consumer case
if you mean 4 120mm fans then yes, thats what youd do
there's no reason to add a radiator for no reason
thats 480mm long, or 4 120mm fans
a 480mm fan would be gigantic
480mm x 480mm
yeah
if you had a 360mm aio for the cpu, youd have a total of 600mm of radiator surface area
and to maximize airflow, all the other fan spaces would be filled with just fans
480 rads definitely exist
420 do too but they're less common
i think
they're solely for custom watercooling
aio? no
not enough cases support them
plenty of cases support dual 360 so thats a lot more common
5000d, o11d (evo, xl, xl evo)
no
aio 4090s are uncommon enough as it is
pcpartpicker shows some 420
but no 480
for the same reason 4090's dont have it
not enough cases support more than 360
torpid sluice
Tbh I thought it was nuts they stuck a a small rad on the Liquid Suprim but it surprising cools decent
near seal
well, its 240 + 120
torpid sluice
Kinda makes me think I might be able to cool my 7900 xtx with a 280mm rad pretty okay
near seal
because of the 1 fan on the gpu itself
near seal
probably
i mean, its also a known fact that 4090 coolers are overbuilt
rog strix surviving (i think) 45C ambient temps
torpid sluice
Even amds flagship have overbuilt coolers
Happy to see watercooling have negligible benefits other then noise nowadays
torpid sluice
Well at one point it was useful to an extent for heavy overclocking.
But not Specifically gpu coolers are so big they just cool better
near seal
well, not ever, but for a while
torpid sluice
I mean they Defo cool better
And along with companies adding vapor chambers into the design as well
But now that’s been out for quiet some years so
torpid sluice
technically speaking yes at stock clock ut the rog strix will OC higher because of a higher power limit
cosmic finch
I think you can bios flash it and remove that
torpid sluice
the msi is 575
its defo 575w JayzTwoCentz talks ab it in one of his videos
He was trynna compare the differences between those two exact cards I believe as well
Yes but the msi was literally power limited when Overclocking
But not as much as the MSI
It has a hard limit at 575 in the bios whereas the rog strix does not
Actually no I’m sorry it’s actually 520w
Literally shows the possible power limits of both cards at max wattage
The FE even has a higher bios limit
Bro no there’s not it’s still power limited in the bios lol
The liquid and the air cooled one are both power limited
520 on air and 530 on liquid
torpid sluice
They actually do in some circumstances
The 4090 scales fairly well with higher power limits
Yes with this gen lol
That’s literally it true but alright whatever stock bios they aren’t the same power limit
near seal
Doesn’t take up less space
torpid sluice
You’re delusional
near seal
You also have to account for the tubes running through the case, which make it take up more space. They literally just moved the fin stack to the edge of the case
torpid sluice
lol instead of having a 3 slot card you have a 2 slots card with a radiator and tubes attached it takes up way more space
near seal
It’s not just the volume of the tubes. It’s the fact that they go through the middle of the case
While the technical volume may be similar, the practical volume is more on the liquid
torpid sluice
No it doesn’t
You have to account for not being able to bend the tubes of the cable 90 degrees….
near seal
Did you include the fans?
torpid sluice
It takes up way more space
Using the suprim liquid X over a air cooled card in a small case would be stupid
Exactly why it takes up more space 🤦🏼♂️
near seal
You’re delusional
near seal
Who’s the one asking for advice
And you disregard it because it doesn’t agree with what you think
torpid sluice
Okay then get a lower end AIB they all perform within Margin at stock
It literally is
🤦🏼♂️
near seal
No one said it was
torpid sluice
near seal
You can’t even call certain aib’s “lower end”
They’re the same gpu, just a different prices
torpid sluice
They’re all pretty overpriced rip
near seal
And since all the coolers are overbuilt, they perform very similarly
Which ones aren’t
near seal
You literally sent a screenshot proving that wrong
torpid sluice
The msi has a hard limit at 530w this has been reported on very thoroughly
near seal
…..seriously?
torpid sluice
You’re sources are illegitimate
near seal
Oh look at all those gpus with 450w limits
torpid sluice
You can literally google it and every forum and review shows it to be 530w
near seal
“All of them are 600” my ass
Sorry, I misread your message. I thought you said “all of them have 600w limits” not “both of them have 600w limits”
fading thicket
oh boy im here just in time
near seal
oh boy im here just in time
Literally go away if you won’t help
fading thicket
near seal
Literally 100% of 4090’s are power limited
fading thicket
i think she means that from a performance perspective the limiting factor isnt power
near seal
Who?
torpid sluice
3x8 Pin > 12 Pin
no i didn't
I just said the rog strix has a higher power limit stop twisting my words you can literally scroll up and look at the messages lol
torpid sluice
I'm not gonna argue with you people have literally complain about their cards on MSI forums not hitting 600w sooooo
Not to say it won't go over that from transient spikes but the official bios limit is 530w
fair vapor
3x8 Pin > 12 Pin
not from the point of power draw but it does even it out
nope
according to what site?
the biggest rad to exist is 1080mm but that's an external rad, the biggest rad for inside a case is 560mm
you're mixing up what usb headers for the front i/o has, also 1 or 2 usb 2 headers are used internally for things like hubs for things like rgb/argb or fans some times, or even with a few brands the aio itself, so no, a case is not designed to account for all the headers on a mobo
fair vapor
Happy to see watercooling have negligible benefits other then noise nowadays
tbh the only benefit it ever did have was more efficient heat transfer, it was never about being better at cooling
fair vapor
And along with companies adding vapor chambers into the design as well
this is a counter intuitive addition to any design and causes issues more than improving cooling as they get vapour lock and realistically are more subjective to weakening via metal fatigue and pillowing out til it explodes
you mean OC, not XOC those are different in nature, also they all can hit 600w with transient some just do it quicker than others
cinder agate
The only way to get the best performance with these high-end components in sff is using custom loops and an external active chiller 🤓
Heck, you'll probably only need 1 or 2 fans in total in the case then. All the extra space inside... But outside the case you'll add a component thats about as big as ur whole case.. that pulls about as much electricity as ur PC 🤓
fair vapor
The only way to get the best performance with these high-end components in sff i...
kinda, but that puts van life out the question tbf
and for an external rad, depends on the fans used but roughly 2-3w total for 9 good fans on a 1080mm external rad
cinder agate
kinda, but that puts van life out the question tbf
Not if she gonna be stationed at friends 24/7 and leeching power lol
fair vapor
Not if she gonna be stationed at friends 24/7 and leeching power lol
no, using a custom loop, microvibrations will be affecting it
which is why people have said not to go custom loop
cinder agate
Anti vibration feet
fair vapor
that and any sudden stops can cause the glass sides to crack/shatter
fair vapor
Anti vibration feet
minimizes it but doesn't take it fully out
cinder agate
Hang it dangling on the ceiling via antivibration cords lol
fair vapor
end of day, if you're putting a pc inside any vehicle, you build one that'll never be affected by being in it
cinder agate
I hope if she ever starts this project (at this rate in 2027 or something) she documents it well 🤓
quaint depot
Were any of the parts bought yet?
runic delta
Nope
devout willow
GERMAN 🔥 🔥
fair vapor
there is bigger
the smaller ones fit inside the case, so anything under 560mm
no
3x 360
no
3x360, or just 1080
this is equal to 4x 720mm rads
it's known as the AIRPLEX GIGANT 3360
this is equal to 4x 360mm rads
it's known as the AIRPLEX GIANT 1680
still though, not suitable for your use case
there's even this kind
still at the end of the day, not for your use case, and more for those who like to OC
nope
it's a pump, radiator and fans all in a single unit
insides of it
if i was going to use chilled water, or similar, i'd use something like this as you can maintain a constant set temp with it
you can excerpt other cooling forms against the radiator, reducing temps for those who like to XOC
which chilled water comes under
aka water that's had lots of ice added to it
fair vapor
people do that as well
fair vapor
you get ducting, tape it to the ac, then tape it to the case/cooler, and run the ac
fair vapor
similar, but with an external rad, you connect it to a custom loop inside the case
well apart from getting shitty fans in the case, not really
torpid sluice
insides of it
Tbh if I was gonna go this big I’d just use a Honda civic radiator
fair vapor
yes, and the radiator is the same size in comparison, just means using a reducer inline on the pipework
torpid sluice
🫠
fair vapor
well you seen the image for that 1080mm rad right ?
torpid sluice
I’d use a car radiator and a boat bilge pump
A radiator for a car
You don’t know what a car is
😐
fair vapor
it's the same size as a car radiator
torpid sluice
You don’t know what a radiator is?😐
Good god
And you’re wanting to water cool a PC?
fair vapor
fair vapor
rad's for pc are based of rads for vehicles
torpid sluice
I seriously question how you’ve made it this far in life
fair vapor
this is a honda civic's alloy radiator
fair vapor
you're going to have to learn to, to maintain a van
torpid sluice
A radiator does the same thing whether it’s in a car or a PC
fair vapor
oil levels, coolant levels, sufficient water, etc...
torpid sluice
What does a rad in a PC do?
torpid sluice
what i just sent a pic of ffs
I don’t see why you stoop low enough to hold her hand through every fundamentally thing when it’s literally common sense
fair vapor
a dual fan car rad
torpid sluice
No it doesn’t lol
fair vapor
I don’t see why you stoop low enough to hold her hand through every fundamentall...
not even holding the hand, at this point it's more forcing the image on her
torpid sluice
not even holding the hand, at this point it's more forcing the image on her
Dude 😂😂
Yes it is
fair vapor
oh it is, it's at this point it's one of the many common sense things
torpid sluice
My gf knows nothing about cars but knows what a radiator does and with that knowledge would know what a car radiator is
Cause they have no common sense
torpid sluice
Good god stop sending different rads yours just gonna confuse her more
No it’s more like 6000mm
fair vapor
no, it's more like 3360mm
torpid sluice
Or maybe even bigger
Common sense would dictate yes
Because it’s cooling a higher output of heat
fair vapor
intercooler rad
torpid sluice
Cause you don’t have common sense I guess
torpid sluice
How tf does this look like a stove top
devout willow
My gf knows nothing about cars but knows what a radiator does and with that know...
does she know how an aio works
fair vapor
i get the feeling of being somewhat sheltered @torpid sluice
torpid sluice
God😂
torpid sluice
does she know how an aio works
torpid sluice
i get the feeling of being somewhat sheltered <@416744992632209408>
No way anyone could’ve been sheltered this much.
devout willow
https://tenor.com/view/please-no-michael-scott-the-office-no-god-please-no-steve...
i have a feeling it wouldnt take 3 different explanations for her to learn
torpid sluice
Impossible
devout willow
so nerds CAN get girlfriends.. good to know
torpid sluice
so nerds CAN get girlfriends.. good to know
I’m a mechanic
PC stuff is just fun
Look closer
There’s fins
Lots of them actually
Guess you need to get your sight checked
devout willow
I’m a mechanic
still nerd
fair vapor
open it in a browser and zoom in
fair vapor
so nerds CAN get girlfriends.. good to know
very much so
torpid sluice
still nerd
Best of both worlds I guess
I can fix her car, and her PC
And various other things too I’ve learned along the way I prefer to do it myself if I can so
fair vapor
i don't work on cars either, still know what it is
fair vapor
I can fix her car, and her PC
that moment when you've transfer basic electronics knowledge ove into rewiring a motor bike for someone
torpid sluice
Yea lol I ride too. I fixed a 01 zx6r for a friend with some nasty wiring issues
I learned to solder on cars before PCs and just transferred it over
devout willow
the CD stuff was insane though
torpid sluice
Yea but don’t you understand asking textbook questions is a bit frivolous when you could research it yourself and probably learn more about the topic?
Then we could stay more on the topic at hand and move on
Then don’t ask about them
Okay you still asked about it after it was mentioned
When you could’ve just moved on with the topic at hand
near seal
still nerd
And being a nerd is a bad thing?
torpid sluice
Then don’t
fair vapor
20L is a tiny case for capacity
as it's stating a volume metric, as big as you can
none tbh, you can just doublesided foam tape a2.5" ssd if no hdd's are selected
no, as big
if you go to smal, you will have no airflow
google it
i'd have to google it or look on pcpp to see it's size anyways
so you can do that yourself
near seal
Nothing, it’s a personal preference
But if you get atx, you should get an atx motherboard
fair vapor
now this is condescending in the way you put it
have i stated that?? no, but adding 'lol' on the end to saying certain things gives the tone of being condescending
each cover comes off individually on this
near seal
You can pick any case you want, dream. We will simply recommend parts that will be most ideal for it.
Doesn’t exist
It all depends on how you want to use it
Custom watercooling, small footprint, small (ish) atx, etc
What?
No your question just doesn’t make sense
devout willow
yeah.. thats what volume implies..
near seal
“So a 172L case is mid tower case is…”
fair vapor
obviously, different footprint
81,84L full tower implies a taller but narrower case
where as a 172L mid tower implies a shorter by wider case
length X height X width is all measurements
or the fact it was still a more common sense thing
so it's not like he had to know the exact details for it
yes really
yes, really, totally
you're asking relating to a volumetric measurement
less volume usually denotes a slimmer design despite the cases height
and more volume denotes a way wider case
while not bigger in height, it's bigger in width, which yes on one point it's not bigger, while in another point yes it is due to the width
near seal
Because I couldn’t care less about volume. As long as it fits my motherboard and has adequate radiator support for what I want, that’s all that matters to me
Because they’re not mass produced
Well, they are, but not for diy as much
Get a itx mini tower like the 2000D and it’ll have a small footprint
fair vapor
which are just mainly labelled as htpc cases
fair vapor
Get a itx mini tower like the 2000D and it’ll have a small footprint
but only able to use the rad on the gpu
should have it in metric not american imperial for best accuracy
cm preferably
anything in MM's you divide by 10 to get cm's
decimeters = 10cm at a time
and M is obviously meters
near seal
but only able to use the rad on the gpu
Yeah
The phanteks g200a is like the only one that works with 2 aios
Small and full tower do not go together
devout willow
tbf 32l is pretty small
near seal
You are wayyyy over complicating this
fair vapor
length X width for that yes
though it's usually length X height and the X width in alot of their measurements if i remember corectly
near seal
It’s probably been in every order tbh
fair vapor
nah, when you look on some they do different orders on their websites
like for mine they've put the width first
so it's doing width X height first, then X depth (length of the case)
near seal
Yeah
fair vapor
which can be fustrating to some
though i hate converting metric to imperial, i can do it but modern conversion does 1inch = 2.5cm rather than the proper conversion of 1inch = 2.54cm
as a true inch = 2.54cm or 25.4mm which ever way you like to look at it
near seal
And that difference adds up
fair vapor
yup, very much so, which is part of why i say about there being discrepancies
when you convert MM to IN
quaint depot
Inwin cases are nice
fair vapor
for which form factor?
fair vapor
Inwin cases are nice
make a suggestion that she can actually use that can be at home or in a van life situation
fair vapor
Inwin cases are good wdym?
not really that great considering it's going to end up in a van eventually
ford transit long wheelbase high top
near seal
Nr200p (idk about 4090), phanteks g200a
quaint depot
not really that great considering it's going to end up in a van eventually
So a lower end case?
Also why van
devout willow
Also why van
blud wants it
quaint depot
blud wants it
So she’s gonna live in a van
near seal
Or the dancase (triple slot variant) if ok with sub 90w (approximately) cpu
devout willow
yes
quaint depot
Okay then
near seal
4090 in a van is assanine outside of a laptop
fair vapor
So a lower end case?
any case viable with what she wants to have inside the case
fair vapor
Also a “lower end” case doesn’t exist
technically there are some that can be classed that way due to the construction of the case and how flimsy they are
deepcool matrexx 50 comes to mind, would be a lower end case
torpid sluice
Coolermaster makes one also can’t think of the name tho
fading thicket
this is some of the dumbest conversations ive ever seen
and this is coming from an autistic person
the amount of braincells present here i could count on my hand
blazing blade
i still don't get why you want an... itx case?
with a x670e mobo and a 4090?
that's not gonna fit on almost any case
near seal
i mean, the phanteks g200a, but its not the smallest itx case
and yes, x670e on itx is phenomenally stupid
blazing blade
like is the mobo even gonna fit
X670E is ATX-E isn't it
near seal
there's 1 x670e itx motherboard
fair vapor
like is the mobo even gonna fit
X670E is ATX-E isn't it
atx,matx and itx
blazing blade
oh yeah apparently there is
fair vapor
though tbh, getting an x670e is quite dumb considering the cpu choice
blazing blade
yeah lol
this just sounds like an absolute pain to build & maintain
fair vapor
especially in the likely-hood of bios updates by the user being a complete unlikely to happen
fading thicket
"whats a bios update"
-dream, probably
near seal
It’s really useless
the extra expansion available with the x670e chipset is physically impossible to use on an itx motherboard
near seal
extra pcie and usb (the usb could be used by cramming the rear io with usb)
i mean
kinda
for itx yes
untrue
basically all x670e motherboards are on par or beat that, and x670 comes close
and basically unused
but again, none of the extra pcie is used on itx
which is the main reason its a waste of money
tbh this is probably my favorite rear io (Gigabyte x670 Aorus Elite)
im not going to argue with you
if you want to waste your money on an x670e itx board, go ahead
just the z790
eh
tbh the other itx motherboards have ass rear io for no reason
especially AsRock