thats why i want to do that now, everyone didnt think about it before
#building my 1st pc
lusty tiger
arctic lotus
it wasnt that it wasnt thought of before. its that it made no sense to me.
it was just words back then.
hollow orchid
😐
lusty tiger
the main one in there is this coolermaster HAF XB. it has a more square base and is less tall compared to a tower case
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WT8Zxr/cooler-master-haf-xb-evo-atx-desktop-case-rc-902xb-kkn2
hollow orchid
my brain hurts
lusty tiger
welcome to the club
arctic lotus
form factor was literally impossible to be a primary thought, because i didnt know what consequences of choosing anything would have been
and i still dont
arctic lotus
like sure once you know atx means normal and itx means small. just choose one. but its simply put not that simple.
topaz solstice
or matx case of a similar height to an itx case which there are several
lusty tiger
and i still dont
itx has less expandability and fewer parts to choose from
atx has the most expandability and the most parts to choose from
hollow orchid
but can be portable since small cases exist
lusty tiger
matx is that weird middle one that is even less common than itx
arctic lotus
if it's only about the form factor then obviously everyone would be rocking itx. but its simply not only about the size it takes up or the dimensions, but what it eventually locks you into.
topaz solstice
basically desktop is the equivalent of a tower case but on it's back
lusty tiger
basically desktop is the equivalent of a tower case but on it's back
good way of saying it
arctic lotus
itx has less expandability and fewer parts to choose from
i mean yeah we can be bumble around and talk about how it's less this or less that, but without proof and sources and examples. this means nothing to me.
topaz solstice
if it's only about the form factor then obviously everyone would be rocking itx....
no everyone wouldn't that is a very piss poor generalization
lusty tiger
i mean yeah we can be bumble around and talk about how it's less this or less th...
what? proof? look at the fucking motherboard. do you see any expansion slots (other than the x16 for the gpu)? because i sure dont
maximum of 3 m.2 slots and 1 pcie expansion slot
lusty tiger
theres the proof you need
worldly shore
Bro you have helped the most just stop
arctic lotus
literally not listening to what the fuck im saying
topaz solstice
if it's only about the form factor then obviously everyone would be rocking itx.
this bit is the wrong generalization, there are many that can't work with an itx case because of the super limited room it has
arctic lotus
no
topaz solstice
yes, i can say for sure i can never work with an itx case as i don't have the hands of a child
lusty tiger
examples of builds in itx and atx
worldly shore
That first one is 🔥🔥
topaz solstice
examples of builds in itx and atx
couple matx's there
lusty tiger
the dan case or something. idk tho because i just searched "itx build" and "atx build" and went to images
arctic lotus
okay so back to full mid mini, what about desktop and test bench
topaz solstice
noticed one that looks like a sama im01
topaz solstice
okay so back to full mid mini, what about desktop and test bench
testbench is fully open air, namely for you to test stuff on
lusty tiger
couple matx's there
true, there looks to be only one itx lol, the first one
arctic lotus
so do atx desktop and atx testbench do atx mobos too
topaz solstice
like this @arctic lotus
topaz solstice
so do atx desktop and atx testbench do atx mobos too
does them all
lusty tiger
so do atx desktop and atx testbench do atx mobos too
atx anything will suport atx motherboards
the whole point of the standard
hollow orchid
i mean yeah we can be bumble around and talk about how it's less this or less th...
😐
topaz solstice
so do atx desktop and atx testbench do atx mobos too
atx supports atx and smaller,
matx supports matx and smaller,
itx supports itx and stx
arctic lotus
so if it has atx in the first word of the case type then that's the mobo it supports up to.
so atx desktop, full, mid, mini, and test do atx mobos (basically all of them except eatx)
matx desktop, mid, mini, slim all do up to matx mobos (including itx)
and itx desktop, test, and tower all do itx mobos only
and im guessing only some of the ones with atx as the first word can do eatx
or higher
lusty tiger
yeah, thats up to the manufacturer
topaz solstice
so if it has atx in the first word of the case type then that's the mobo it supp...
a full atx case has the ability to handle eatx mobo's
arctic lotus
so the first word, is just the main mobo size it is meant for
lusty tiger
the montech air 903 can support up to ssi-eeb
topaz solstice
so the first word, is just the main mobo size it is meant for
for most yes
arctic lotus
okay so why is there no matx full tower?
hollow orchid
that makes no sense
topaz solstice
okay so why is there no matx full tower?
because it's pointless and a waste of materials for construction
hollow orchid
yea that’s why it wouldn’t make sense
arctic lotus
i dont understand
lusty tiger
no one buys an matx motherboard and puts it in a gigantic case
lusty tiger
because it's pointless and a waste of materials for construction
because:
arctic lotus
well it wouldnt be gigantic. it would just have more space around the mobo like you saidd
topaz solstice
no one buys an matx motherboard and puts it in a gigantic case
whistles while looking at a different pc
lusty tiger
technically atx mid tower could be matx full tower
arctic lotus
giganitc would be putting it into an atx case
topaz solstice
well it wouldnt be gigantic. it would just have more space around the mobo like ...
it would be in regards to the mobo
lusty tiger
if you really wanted it to
topaz solstice
giganitc would be putting it into an atx case
which is what you're asking to do by saying full matx case tbh
hollow orchid
giganitc would be putting it into an atx case
which atx form factor tho
arctic lotus
which is what you're asking to do by saying full matx case tbh
wel that's what i want to learn, is why there is no matx full tower. i dont know the equivalence
lusty tiger
technically atx mid tower could be matx full tower
^
topaz solstice
wel that's what i want to learn, is why there is no matx full tower. i dont know...
mid atx would be the equivalence
hollow orchid
it’s not really worth the time to wonder why there isn’t
lusty tiger
but again, why buy an matx motherboard to put into an atx case just to make it look smaller
topaz solstice
and despite that, most mid atx cases are no bigger than a mid matx case @arctic lotus
arctic lotus
okay so it does exist basically, but the full part of it makes it so big that it might as well just be called an atx mid tower since it can support up to atx mobos
so next question, why is there no matx test bench
topaz solstice
so next question, why is there no matx test bench
because the atx testbench covers it
1 testbench to cover them all
arctic lotus
okay makes sense to me
topaz solstice
it's common sense
lusty tiger
should have already made sense but ok
arctic lotus
next question is, what is matx slim then? is it smalled than matx mini?
hollow orchid
~~should have already made sense but ok~~
well she’s also asking for unnecessary information
topaz solstice
next question is, what is matx slim then? is it smalled than matx mini?
picture an matx tower
lusty tiger
next question is, what is matx slim then? is it smalled than matx mini?
an matx case thats narrower (less space above the motherboard
topaz solstice
and now cut it in half from top to bottom
arctic lotus
picture an matx tower
literally impossible for me
arctic lotus
an matx case thats narrower (less space above the motherboard
how do you mean above
hollow orchid
literally impossible for me
imagine a small tower?
topaz solstice
matx tower right there
hollow orchid
matx isn’t huge but it isn’t tiny either
topaz solstice
now half it's thickness
arctic lotus
see to me, this looks like any case ive seen already.
arctic lotus
like i totally would have mistaken this for an atx full tower
hollow orchid
that was my first case lmao
arctic lotus
or atx desktop
topaz solstice
topaz solstice
matx slim
topaz solstice
it's half the thickness of a normal matx tower
lusty tiger
yeah
topaz solstice
no more like the original xbox 360
lusty tiger
thats literally what slim means
arctic lotus
okay well is it smaller than mini tho
topaz solstice
xbox slim is more an itx/stx build
arctic lotus
okay
topaz solstice
and i've already shown you a full atx tower
lusty tiger
okay well is it smaller than mini tho
thinner in 1 dimension, not smaller. smaller would be in all 3 dimensions
arctic lotus
are any of the dimensions standardized?
hollow orchid
isn’t eatx workstation motherboards
arctic lotus
whats the difference between desktop and full tower? is desktop bigger?
topaz solstice
whats the difference between desktop and full tower? is desktop bigger?
nope
lusty tiger
isn’t eatx workstation motherboards
mainly threadripper (and server), but there are some regular motherboards that they stuck extra things onto the side with
topaz solstice
desktop would be like getting that matx case and sitting it on it's rear not standing it up
hollow orchid
yes
arctic lotus
ik in the 2000s consoles were really proud about putting consoles on their side
topaz solstice
like an xbox laying flat instead of on it's side?
correct
which is how it was suppose to be as otherwise the dvd drive can stick
arctic lotus
oh so the first word isnt the case form factor. it's just a hint as to what mobos it supports.
desktop, full, mid, and mini and test explain the shape and size / form factor of the case. full mid and mini being more grounded in size and desktop and test bench being more different in it's shape or alignment
topaz solstice
topaz solstice
oh so the first word isnt the case form factor. it's just a hint as to what mobo...
you mean the second word
mid atx = anything up to atx in a middle sized case
hollow orchid
that’s an odd case
arctic lotus
you mean the second word
i meant that atx, matx, and itx hint at the mobo compatability. and desktop, full tower, mid tower, mini tower, and testbench are the "real" form factors of the pc case.
topaz solstice
that’s an odd case
yeah, it's great for a nas build
topaz solstice
i meant that atx, matx, and itx hint at the mobo compatability. and desktop, ful...
ah due to how pcpp worded it, usualy the form factor is the second word
arctic lotus
so basically, never think of full mid and mini as being a separate word from tower. because the word tower perfectly describes it's shape and alignment
lusty tiger
yes, thats why theyre called tower
arctic lotus
so when i see tower, i should think tall and standing alignment like a city building.
topaz solstice
mid-atx, mid-matx etc...
topaz solstice
so when i see tower, i should think tall and standing alignment like a city buil...
yup
arctic lotus
when i see desktop i should think. hamburger style
topaz solstice
tower, aka tower block
arctic lotus
and test bench is just open
lusty tiger
pcpartpicker probably worded it that way so all the atx ones would be together, all the matx, and itx
arctic lotus
is there anything wrong with using a test bench as your full time case
topaz solstice
and test bench is just open
yes though never confuse a test bench with a fully open air case
arctic lotus
i feel like test benches kind of take up less space
topaz solstice
is there anything wrong with using a test bench as your full time case
other than the need to dust it off more regularly
topaz solstice
i feel like test benches kind of take up less space
they don't tbh
lusty tiger
they dont
arctic lotus
so you could daily a test bench, but dust is a problem
lusty tiger
if you want it to take up less space, get an itx tower
arctic lotus
do test benches have better air flow since its all just air
topaz solstice
test bench's use space is like sitting a mid-matx tower right next to a matx desktop
topaz solstice
do test benches have better air flow since its all just air
yes/no
arctic lotus
okay so next question, why is there no itx full tower?
and why is there no itx mid tower? or itx mini tower?
topaz solstice
they can have better air flow, but it's not a decent one without having to force the air to blo over it
arctic lotus
and which one is the "itx tower" if it doesnt have anything before the word tower
arctic lotus
they can have better air flow, but it's not a decent one without having to force...
okayy
topaz solstice
okay so next question, why is there no itx full tower?
and why is there no itx ...
again from a materials cost it's pointless and you'd just shove the itx in an matx case
lusty tiger
itx case, itx motherboard; matx case, matx motherboard; atx case, atx motherboard. the main reason to get a full tower case is for lots of custom watercooling
arctic lotus
so what would the itx full tower equivalent be? oh wait, would the equivalent just be a matx full tower? okay so then yeah thats way too big.
topaz solstice
topaz solstice
so what would the itx full tower equivalent be? oh wait, would the equivalent ju...
mid matx case
arctic lotus
oh okay
topaz solstice
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BWmmP6/hyte-revolt-3-mini-itx-tower-case-w700-w...
itx tower
arctic lotus
still too big for itx
lusty tiger
how small are you expecting itx to be
topaz solstice
still too big for itx
nope, the hyte revolt is one of the most perfect cases for an itx build
arctic lotus
oh okay, so when the matx, and atx have full mid mini variations, those are all just variations for the tower shape.
and atx has the liberty of have all 3 variations because it's larger, whereas matx only has enough room to have a mid matx, or a mini matx and then when we get to itx, it's so small, it has no luxury of having 3 variations of tower cases, so it just has the 1 size tower case.
arctic lotus
if the 1 size itx tower case had to be asigned either full mid or mini
would it be mini since there must already be the bare minimum amount of space for the tower?
topaz solstice
the top 2 5.25" bays are completely removable
topaz solstice
if the 1 size itx tower case had to be asigned either full mid or mini
would it...
no
being the size that itx mobo's are, the cases for them don't have much room around the mobo
lusty tiger
its just itx tower, and itx desktop. there are some sandwich-style itx cases that have the gpu and motherboard back-to-back, like the dancase
topaz solstice
and most itx cases are set up as back to back
lusty tiger
only the larger ones like the nr200p and such dont have it back to back
topaz solstice
only a couple itx cases follow the looks of an matx/atx case
arctic lotus
ig that's what i meant.
and the reason why i would say mini would be the redundant equivalent would be because mini has the least amount of space around the mobo compared to mid or full towers.
but since there is only 1 size and no variation, there is no point in calling it a itx mini tower
lusty tiger
just dont say anything, theres only itx tower and itx desktop. no ones building an itx build and thinking "i should have a bunch of extra space around my motherboard for no reason"
arctic lotus
especially since itx full name is mini-itx so mini-itx mini tower sounds dumb too
topaz solstice
ig that's what i meant.
and the reason why i would say mini would be the redund...
not if you've ever tried to get into an itx case, some you have to strip apart to fit pieces in
arctic lotus
okay so next question, what is htpc
arctic lotus
so basically a slim in desktop mode
which probably answers my next question
which is
topaz solstice
can be stood up also
arctic lotus
what shape is slim considered? is a slim considered to be a tower?
arctic lotus
ohh so slim can be put flat too
topaz solstice
there is even a specific slim case that's designed to stack
arctic lotus
and since slim only comes in the matx supporting size.
then im guessing that htpc is just a matx slim but bigger?
topaz solstice
htpc that can be confused for a radio/hifi
topaz solstice
and since slim only comes in the matx supporting size.
then im guessing that ht...
can even be an atx slim
arctic lotus
can even be an atx slim
so htpc is basically an atx slim
topaz solstice
so htpc is basically an atx slim
it depends on the manufacturer
no thicket than the dvd/blueray player & main controls of a home theater
i would advice for matx to be gone for
arctic lotus
how do you mean gone for
topaz solstice
go for*
arctic lotus
is there a pc case tier list too
arctic lotus
okayy
so wait couldnt you just lay an atx full tower on it's side and it would be similar to an atx desktop
or a matx mid tower on it's side, and it would be similar to an matx desktop
or an itx tower on it's side and it would be similar to an itx desktop?
topaz solstice
so wait couldnt you just lay an atx full tower on it's side and it would be simi...
nope it would be much wider an area it would take up
arctic lotus
which one would be
topaz solstice
or an itx tower on it's side and it would be similar to an itx desktop?
there are several itx towers that double up as desktops
topaz solstice
or a matx mid tower on it's side, and it would be similar to an matx desktop
this one is doable though may look awkward at times unless it's with a specific case
topaz solstice
which one would be
full atx
arctic lotus
okayy
arctic lotus
nope it would be much wider an area it would take up
oh so even tho desktop are hamburger, they should still have some height to them. so a full tower atx would be extra flat and take up more horizontal space than an atx desktop thus looking weird
topaz solstice
yup
if i took a 3rd of my towers height an added it into it's thickness, then it would be more like a desktop
that's how you would compensate for it being layed flat on it's back
the difference in height between a full atx and mid atx tower can be anywhere from 2" to 6" tbh
arctic lotus
does this make desktop form factors less useful since all that height isnt used inside really?
cause like motherboard lay flat inside regardless, meaning that all the height in a desktop or vertical space above or below the motherboard is what is being increased by the desktop form factor. what what use is there for that other than wider gpu, or wider fans, or a wide larger psu, or maybe a wider cpu air cooler instead of an aio or a wider hdd
i feel like the vertical length is more useful since it basically determines the mobo size entirely. i just feel like the width isnt as much of a factor so the height of a desktop doesnt matter as much.
so the tower form factor is better imo. since it moves that space to the sides. instead of above the mobo.
topaz solstice
does this make desktop form factors less useful since all that height isnt used ...
nope, it does however mean that where the psu, and storage goes are in differ locations, and it also means that as for airflow sometimes it can offer a better path of least resistance for the air flow
arctic lotus
but ig desktop form factor is good if you have wide components
topaz solstice
but ig desktop form factor is good if you have wide components
not really, tower is better for that tbh
arctic lotus
unless the arrangement of components on the inside are different for all 3 to 4 shapes
honest totem
You picked a form factor
arctic lotus
do they really put parts in different places for slim / htpc, test bench and desktops than towers
arctic lotus
oh, so the mobo space is about the same as it would be otherwise
the airflow looks more 1 directional and intentional
topaz solstice
the top is meshed as well as the sides
so airflow is directed from sides and front over the gpu and mobo
arctic lotus
so a desktop, is kind of smarter with how it arranges parts inside, meaning its more compact, but it ends up sacrificing desk / countertop space for that.
topaz solstice
arctic lotus
meaning an atx desktop is probably more similar to an atx mid tower rather than an atx full tower
and the full tower is the biggest baddest one you can get probably
topaz solstice
and the full tower is the biggest baddest one you can get probably
yes
topaz solstice
there is only 1 full atx tower which is basically the ultimate tower case
the corsair 1000d
steel sapphire
idk why you guys stick around with all the shit she talks abt you
arctic lotus
yess
topaz solstice
arctic lotus
lol wow
steel sapphire
think of the dust
steel sapphire
ok but at least that one is pretty
unreal zenith
that one wall mounted is cool
topaz solstice
ok but at least that one is pretty
nah, not when you see the ducati build
steel sapphire
thats not an actual bike chassis is it?
topaz solstice
thats not an actual bike chassis is it?
nope, jonsbo
steel sapphire
i was gonna say
topaz solstice
steel sapphire
would be sick as hell if someone built a pc in a bike chassis tho
topaz solstice
would be sick as hell if someone built a pc in a bike chassis tho
people have
in a mini moto
steel sapphire
thats sick
unreal zenith
in a mini moto
what is the point of this though…
topaz solstice
the front end of a chopper
topaz solstice
what is the point of this though…
themed builds, though tacky on the rgb
hollow orchid
what is the point of this though…
being creative
like that guy who put a gaming pc in a xbox 360 chassis
topaz solstice
this is a more tasteful custom build
hollow orchid
damn that’s nice
hollow orchid
topaz solstice
honestly not a fan of this one
this one requires a level of skill and detail i'm not fully wanting to put into a case just yet
prisma spindle
Are you stupid or what. He’s trying to help you but you being a dick
hollow orchid
“be quiet before i block you”
prisma spindle
WTF
are you a mug or something someone is trying to help you out with your build and you are just trying to make the help difficult for no reason
prisma spindle
Yep
hollow orchid
pretty sure they blocked me lmao
prisma spindle
I hope that the mod ban her from the server
lusty tiger
Are you stupid or what. He’s trying to help you but you being a dick
thank you for supporting me :D
prisma spindle
Np
hollow orchid
creeper is in this situation rn
prisma spindle
thank you for supporting me :D
No point helping her if she going to be a dick
lusty tiger
idek what she was talking about with "proof" for why itx is better or worse
prisma spindle
She selected a itx motherboard
lusty tiger
no, not yet
prisma spindle
Why is she trying to say we got to be it in a atx case
lusty tiger
even tho she most definitely did have that "database" that she created with only 1 motherboard on it for "Best motherboard"
prisma spindle
Bro
Pick a motherboard that fits the purpose
of your build
No need to get into details
No need to get into detail about what it is what feature and shit. Just pick what you need
lusty tiger
yeah...
but what are we supposed to do when she keeps asking things like "why isnt there a full tower itx case"
prisma spindle
I’m like wtf is that
hollow orchid
“why isn’t there a full tower full tower”
languid lotus
but what are we supposed to do when she keeps asking things like "why isnt there...
Massive respect for you, how the hell are you still sane after doing this
lusty tiger
ive invested too much time to stop now
languid lotus
Touché
hollow orchid
ive invested too much time to stop now
prisma spindle
ive invested too much time to stop now
I would have lost my mind
lusty tiger
https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-stop-stop-right-there-stop-it-talk-to-the-hand-g...
and what does that have to do with this
hollow orchid
the gif was supposed to mean stop
lusty tiger
ohhhh
arctic lotus
so i just rewatched that powercert video
ATX 4-Pin Connectors = P4?
EPS 8-Pin Connectors = P8?
PCIe 12+4-Pin 12VHPWR Connectors = pcie 5?
PCIe 12-Pin Connectors
PCIe 8-Pin Connectors
PCIe 6+2-Pin Connectors
PCIe 6-Pin Connectors
SATA Connectors
Molex 4-Pin Connectors
does that mean the p4 is also considered an eps connector?
And is p8 the highest number of pins the cpu goes up to now?
ik that the 12+4 pin is the new pcie 5 connector, but why is it called pcie 5 if it's not data? ik pcie just means it refers to the video card, but what happened to pcie 4 or pcie 3 or pcie 2 on psus? is pcie 5 just marketing? or is it cause pcie 6 pin was the first one and then 6+2 and then 8 and then 12 was the 4th and the 12+4 is the 5th?
here is what the powercert video basically said
and then p1 is just the 24 pin connector for the mobo
is it not on pcpp in the details because the 24 pin connector is obviously mandatory?
and every psu gets 1
arctic lotus
also why isnt sff included on pcpp
and why do some sources say sff cases are different from itx tower etc
and whats the all-in-one case form factor
and then is this real
sturdy anchor
also why isnt sff included on pcpp
Haven’t you been told this already while looking at powersupplies?
It stands for “small form factor”
arctic lotus
i already know that
sturdy anchor
It’s not like itx or atx
mossy zinc
holy mother of god this is a LONG build thread. A month long?
mossy zinc
according to pcpp it doesnt exist for cases lmao
If you find a SFF case you like, it should filter PSUs to ones that fit, no?
sturdy anchor
SFF is subjective
It’s not a standard like ITX
Just filter by Micro-Atx and Mini-ITX
prisma spindle
holy mother of god this is a LONG build thread. A month long?
we been here since july. two thread bro
mossy zinc
im talking about case form factors, not mobos
The only case form factors that exist are conforming to specs. ATX, mATX, ITX, BTX etc.
So you buy a case in the correct form factor of a size you like. After that, it's down to what size PSU will fit.
mossy zinc
we been here since july. two thread bro
Picked that up in the start of this one. No PC should take this long to plan
prisma spindle
Picked that up in the start of this one. No PC should take this long to plan
i can understand one month
BUT 4 months
is a bit mad
arctic lotus
those arent the case form factors
the case form factors are
desktop
full tower
mid tower
mini tower
test bench
htpc
slim
mossy zinc
I mean, those are just sizes. Pick a size of case you like and it'll guide you to ATX, mATX, ITX and such. But the case being an HTPC case doesn't tell you anything about the PSU that you get.
arctic lotus
which is literally what form factor is
and no, they are very much so the shape as well
meaning, sff must not be a form factor at all
not for mobos
and not for cases
sfx is similar to sff. and both mean the same thing, but sfx is for psu only. the x comes from "atx" as does tfx.
sff is not a real form factor, sfx is
mossy zinc
OK. I think the point stands. PCPP will guide you to a PSU that fits the case you pick.
SFF isn't a "fan made word" when manufacturers use the term.
arctic lotus
then what is sff
does SFF = itx tower only?
does SFF = itx tower and itx desktop?
does SFF = itx tower, desktop and test bench?
does SFF = itx tower, desktop and test bench and matx mini tower?
does SFF = itx tower, desktop and test bench and matx mini tower, matx slim?
does SFF = itx tower, desktop and test bench and matx mini tower, matx slim, matx mid tower?
does SFF = itx tower, desktop and test bench and matx mini tower, matx slim, matx mid tower, and matx desktop?
im guessing SFF doesnt include ATX mini tower
or ATX test bench
mossy zinc
I'll just let Intel explain it.https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/resources/small-form-factor-gaming-pc.html
You're overthinking it. Just pick a case you like. That will guide the size of motherboard and the size of the PSU, GPU length etc
topaz solstice
so i just rewatched that powercert video
ATX 4-Pin Connectors = P4?
EPS 8-Pin C...
pretty much told you that about the eps and pcie 5.0 already, sndf no, we told you before, other than the 12vhpwr/pcie5.0 connector not other pcie power cable has a gen after it
arctic lotus
ik you said eps is for cpu
arctic lotus
pretty much told you that about the eps and pcie 5.0 already, sndf no, we told ...
ik no other one has a gen after it
that's why im asking
topaz solstice
does SFF = itx tower, desktop and test bench and matx mini tower, matx slim, mat...
sff = small form factor, it widely covers itx, stx, nano-itx, picio-itx and nuc's
topaz solstice
ik you said eps is for cpu
yes as eps 8 pin = 4 + 4 pin clipped together
topaz solstice
what is stx
it's a small form factor motherboard that has no chipset added on to it so everything is purely run from the cpu directly
arctic lotus
yes as eps 8 pin = 4 + 4 pin clipped together
im asking is the "ATX 4-Pin Connectors" on pcpp called a p4
arctic lotus
it's a small form factor motherboard that has no chipset added on to it so every...
but im not talking about mobos
sff is not a mobo form factor
i was always told sff is a pc case form factor, but that's not true either
topaz solstice
sff is not a mobo form factor
not directly but it's what kind of mobo is used in a sff/usff build
arctic lotus
what is usff?
topaz solstice
matx/atx is never considered sff
topaz solstice
what is usff?
ultra small form factor
arctic lotus
im also asking is the "EPS 8-Pin Connectors" on pcpp called a p8?
arctic lotus
ultra small form factor
is that real?
topaz solstice
is that real?
yes, it's mainly nuc/nano/pico-itx level
arctic lotus
matx/atx is never considered sff
so an sff case can be itx tower, itx desktop or itx test bench?
topaz solstice
i have a usff dell sat on the floor in my bedroom that i did plan to convert into a media pc
topaz solstice
so an sff case can be itx tower, itx desktop or itx test bench?
yes,, though tbh testbench's don't need to be put in sff category
topaz solstice
what is a media pc
basically a htpc but smaller
arctic lotus
if usff is real, what case form factor does it use
topaz solstice
as it's not used in place of a home thater
topaz solstice
if usff is real, what case form factor does it use
it has no specific case form factor
topaz solstice
well neither does sff
sff does, primarily itx builds
arctic lotus
yeah but itx desktop and itx tower are not the same form factor
topaz solstice
dell's form factor order, older and newer looks
arctic lotus
that's 2 different form factors
topaz solstice
yeah but itx desktop and itx tower are not the same form factor
yes they are, they're itx, and still sff
arctic lotus
sff isnt a form factor
topaz solstice
their form factor is that they take itx and stx only
arctic lotus
itx tower is a case form factor
topaz solstice
itx tower is a case form factor
it's still sff
sff = SMALL form factor
take a hint for the 'small' part
arctic lotus
yeah but its not a standardized form factor. it's like a general grouping of other form factors
topaz solstice
yeah but its not a standardized form factor. it's like a general grouping of oth...
you can't put a matx/atx mobo in an itx case, is what makes it sff
arctic lotus
so like sff could include, itx tower, itx desktop, sfx psus, and itx or dtx mobos.
im not talking about mobos
im talking about cases
topaz solstice
so like sff could include, itx tower, itx desktop, sfx psus, and itx or dtx mobo...
not dtx, that is not sff
arctic lotus
oh okay
arctic lotus
what is nuc
arctic lotus
what is that tho
topaz solstice
a nuc
arctic lotus
❓
arctic lotus
topaz solstice
yes, but because of intel primarily selling them in the first place it's a generalized term
topaz solstice
still doesn't detract from it being called what it is
topaz solstice
which it is, it fits in the palm of the average human sized hand
topaz solstice
it's a pc, very small, and the only upgradability of it is the same as a laptop, aka ram and storage
but unlike a laptop, it has no keyboard, no screen
topaz solstice
with a little bit less restrictive on it's bios afaik
topaz solstice
wouldnt it be usff then?
not really, more closer to sff due to it's mobo size
arctic lotus
what mobo does it use
topaz solstice
what mobo does it use
a nuc mobo, it's not quite stx and yet it's not quite nano-itx
arctic lotus
what is stx
arctic lotus
i saw the pic, but like ive never heard of anything like this
it has 2 slots
itx has 1 slot
dtx has 2 slots
but dtx is bigger
and you make it sound like stx is smaller than itx
topaz solstice
but dtx is bigger
it's also a proprietary motherboard used by oem's
form the wiki for stx
arctic lotus
what does the 5x5 or 4x4 mean
topaz solstice
what does the 5x5 or 4x4 mean
that's in inches
arctic lotus
okayy
arctic lotus
what is itx in comparison?
topaz solstice
arctic lotus
in "in x in"
arctic lotus
what are nano itx and pico itx??
topaz solstice
well nano is just under 5x5, and pico = 4x3
arctic lotus
and why is pico itx smaller than nano itx
if a nanoPSU is smaller than a picoPSU
arctic lotus
well nano is just under 5x5, and pico = 4x3
no i mean what are they, i never knew there was smaller than itx
topaz solstice
what are nano itx and pico itx??
because pico is smaller than nano
though there are no nano/pico psu's
arctic lotus
that's not what i found
topaz solstice
these work off a power brick
topaz solstice
that's not what i found
show it then rather than claiming it
topaz solstice
nope, no nano/pico psu mentioned other than you saying it just now
arctic lotus
nope it's been talked about
topaz solstice
nope is has not, not in this thread nor any other
arctic lotus
so what is nano itx and pico itx?
topaz solstice
motherboards that has the cpu and a chipset embedded in it
arctic lotus
what?
arctic lotus
what are these
topaz solstice
what are these
pico-itx mobo's
arctic lotus
wdym the cpu and chipset are embedded??
topaz solstice
cpu embedded
sharp harness
Like a laptop
topaz solstice
cpu with igpu embedded
sharp harness
Slightly larger than raspberry pi 4
arctic lotus
isnt that how a regular mobo is
topaz solstice
nano itx mobo
sharp harness
isnt that how a regular mobo is
No
topaz solstice
isnt that how a regular mobo is
nope
sharp harness
At least not for a gaming computer
topaz solstice
At least not for a gaming computer
for any pc
arctic lotus
i dont get it
sharp harness
It’s normal for laptops to have shit integrated but definitely not desktops
topaz solstice
you can change the cpu out on atx/matx/itx/stx
arctic lotus
yeah ik that
topaz solstice
you don't have an igpu embedded into any modern standard atx/matx/itx/stx
arctic lotus
the igpu is apart of the cpu
topaz solstice
if this was 15 years or so ago i could show you a mobo where it had the igpu embedded into the chipset
sharp harness
Yes but you can put your own in instead of it being a part of the motherboard like what is in a pico
topaz solstice
the igpu is apart of the cpu
for a modern pc, yes, but 15 or so years ago, no
arctic lotus
are you trying to say that a nano itx and pico itx has the cpu built into the pcb
instead of having a socket
sharp harness
instead of having a socket
Yes
arctic lotus
and you are saying the chipset is too?
sharp harness
Chipset is always on a motherboard?
topaz solstice
ignoring the mini itx in this pic, the atx and matx are mobo's are form before 2010, and had the igpu embedded into the chipset
arctic lotus
you can't change out the chipset on a regular mobo
topaz solstice
Chipset is always on a motherboard?
not always but mainly
sharp harness
not always but mainly
Damn fr?
topaz solstice
you can't change out the chipset on a regular mobo
no, but an stx mobo has no chipset yet it takes a normal cpu
arctic lotus
is stx bigger than nano
arctic lotus
what is mobile itx?
topaz solstice
what is mobile itx?
size wise, basically as big as a ras pi 4
arctic lotus
whats a ras pi 4
arctic lotus
so the ras pi 4 is a mobile itx or nah
topaz solstice
not exactly mobile itx but closest to it afaik
arctic lotus
is the ras pi 4 a mobo model? or is it a form factor
topaz solstice
is the ras pi 4 a mobo model? or is it a form factor
neither, in terms it's a usff but people have used it for all forms of different types of programming to control many things
it's arm based architecture i believe
though tbh this is info way out of what's needed for your own build
topaz solstice
SFF is subjective
yes but does not include matx under sff builds tbh
sturdy anchor
we been here since july. two thread bro
4*
sturdy anchor
Yes
steel sapphire
this thread is a meme
lusty tiger
this thread is a meme
Stop
steel sapphire
dude youve admitted it yourself
lusty tiger
W pi 5
crisp rune
Yeah im doing a pi comp currently
desert mist
WOW they’re finally at an understandable price too
lusty tiger
It's a pi4 in that pic
yeah i know. im just saying the pi 5 is amazing
lusty tiger
Pov: Orange Pi 5
you're not wrong 😂
desert mist
8 core processor up to 32gb ram models things an absolute monster
sturdy anchor
8 core processor up to 32gb ram models things an absolute monster
Really?!?
desert mist
Yup
sturdy anchor
Are the modules sodimm?
lusty tiger
theyre just dram chips
desert mist
It’s a SOC board
sturdy anchor
OH Okay
desert mist
Even the 16gb models are nuts
crisp rune
pi 400 is amazing
topaz solstice
It's a pi4 in that pic
pi 4b to be exact
topaz solstice
Are the modules sodimm?
lpddr3/4 soldered on
topaz solstice
theyre just dram chips
depending on the model it's lpddr3 or lpddr4
topaz solstice
i love raspberry pi's
i like what they can do and am looking at build a khadas setup
the one thing khadas has over ras pi's is that it can work directly with a m.2 nvme drive
https://www.amazon.co.uk/khadas-Captain-Carrier-Board-Edge/dp/B082XBN36Y
https://www.amazon.co.uk/khadas-Captain-Carrier-Board-Edge/dp/B082XBMQXP
https://www.amazon.co.uk/khadas-Single-Computer-Rockchip-Hexa-core/dp/B082SDRPS8
topaz solstice
you could run ras pi software off this i believe, just a case of no need for it to be on a flash drive/sd card
one of the bonuses also is the add on dac you can combine with it
gentle elm
has she bought anything yet?
sturdy anchor
has she bought anything yet?
I doubt it, theres still a few parts to pick out
lusty tiger
A 4090 is basically ruled out
gentle elm
yeah
topaz solstice
A 4090 is basically ruled out
one with an aio attached definitely is
violet sparrow
Checking up in here, how’s the progress
lusty tiger
Checking up in here, how’s the progress
basically none because she wont choose the form factor, which determines basically every part
hollow orchid
eventually mods will probably get involved to get this wrapped up
a few months is ridiculous dream
lusty tiger
she said this has been her dream since 2013, and i fully want this to continue to the end. but the way she's going about it.....
hollow orchid
she wants every detail there is that exists and still can’t decide a form factor
lusty tiger
she wants every detail there is x2
hollow orchid
and still doesn’t get it
and then blocks whoever is an “asshole”
how dare us give the truth
lusty tiger
i was so close to leaving when she told me to shut up or get lost, and said "ignored" when i answered her question about wanting "proof" for itx builds being worse than atx builds/what the tradeoffs are between them
violet sparrow
I gave up weeks ago
hollow orchid
i don’t really like helping people with pc stuff if they be like that
violet sparrow
so what
violet sparrow
i was so close to leaving when she told me to shut up or get lost, and said "ign...
So what happened to the parts she picked before?
She scrapped them?
hollow orchid
i was so close to leaving when she told me to shut up or get lost, and said "ign...
at this point is it really worth your time?
lusty tiger
no, they're still "chosen" but we have no way of knowing if they'll be compatible until she chooses form facotr
hollow orchid
i can understand if you still want to help but it’s not worth putting all of your time into it
lusty tiger
yeah, i haven't done much recently, as its been very quiet
topaz solstice
So what happened to the parts she picked before?
only the 7950x3d and 4090 are totally decided upon dude
topaz solstice
and he seems like *the guy*
totally not "the guy" just i randomly research things that take my interest or to do with something i have planned for a future project
90% of that is definitely all tech related
topaz solstice
she said this has been *her* dream since 2013, and i fully want this to continue...
if that's the case, the common sense thing would be her to research up a long way back and shouldn't be needing so much info currently dude
prisma spindle
im watching
and i want to see what next she going to say
form factor of the pc is important but its not mega important
when i was planning my build. i thought about it for 10 mins and i went with atx cos it got the most upgrade and it would be easier to build in as a first time builder
topaz solstice
that's fine but what we have to take into consideration is the possibility of it eventually going into a vanlife build
optimally matx would be the ideal form factor
other wise a mid-atx case which would allow for maximum upgradability while keeping it to a similar size to a matx case
onyx jay
when i was planning my build. i thought about it for 10 mins and i went with atx...
I always knew atx would be best, I was just told it was the “standard” 
arctic lotus
https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533
what is that
arctic lotus
Pov: Orange Pi 5
what is this
pale tulip
probably like a knockoff raspberry pi
arctic lotus
is there a ras pi 3
topaz solstice
what is that
the "chad" gif
topaz solstice
is there a ras pi 3
3,3a,3b, 4,4b, 5
topaz solstice
a variation of a ras pi 4 that has upgrades to it
topaz solstice
what is ras pi 3a
the same as i said for ras pi 4, but for ras pi 3
arctic lotus
and why is there not ras pi 4a
desert mist
arctic lotus
the same as i said for ras pi 4, but for ras pi 3
what was that
desert mist
Their just tiny computers in a small board
topaz solstice
and why is there not ras pi 4a
because you can treat ras pi 4 as the first therefore it's already variant 'A'
arctic lotus
what are variants
desert mist
SOCs “System On a Chip”
desert mist
It’s a system on a chip
topaz solstice
idk what system on a chip is
ryzen cpu's are soc's
arctic lotus
does ras pi 2 exist yes or no
topaz solstice
does ras pi 2 exist yes or no
yes, though check the official website for it
arctic lotus
whats the official website
arctic lotus
ryzen cpu's are soc's
this doesnt help me tbh
topaz solstice
idk what system on a chip is
you should, it was discussed 2-3 threads back
topaz solstice
this doesnt help me tbh
yes, yes it does
arctic lotus
it was discussed to this level
which means nothing to me besides it meaning it is system on a chip or whatever
topaz solstice
it was discussed way past this level
arctic lotus
i thought it meant socket on chip or something
topaz solstice
considering cpu and chipsets where compared to each other
arctic lotus
so is ras pi a pc
arctic lotus
so 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 are just the pc models
desert mist
Yes
arctic lotus
what about orange pi 5
topaz solstice
desert mist
It’s the gigachad version of SOCs
topaz solstice
It’s the gigachad version of SOCs
debatable tbh
desert mist
Not really lol
topaz solstice
it's an arm soc
desert mist
8 core 16gb ram
desert mist
Still faster then RPI
arctic lotus
whats rpi
desert mist
And more powerful
topaz solstice
8 core 16gb ram
meanwhile the khadas i'm looking at is 6c arm 32GB lpddr4 with 128GB emc
arctic lotus
whats khadas
desert mist
You can get the Orange Pi in 32gb ram variant
topaz solstice
whats khadas
one of many alternatives to a ras pi
arctic lotus
is orange pi made by the same people
topaz solstice
is orange pi made by the same people
no
arctic lotus
who is it made by
pale tulip
use google
orchid oracle
Bro literally 75% questions in this thread can be answered in google
Probably more
Literally to google search it is less keypresses than you just used for those messages
remote sapphire
no, either explain it or dont talk here
Even if they explain it youll just deny it anyway
Whats the point?
orchid oracle
Exactly
arctic lotus
im waiting
arctic lotus
no
arctic lotus
idk what khadas is, but if you are going to bring it up here, then you should explain it. especially when asked obviously.
orchid oracle
Fr
arctic lotus
if you arent going to help then just leave
orchid oracle
Bro for us to give the answe we have to google it in the first place
So it saves steps for you to do it yourself
We are not your walking encyclopedia of technology
That’s why there’s a thing called a web search
Ok watch
arctic lotus
how are you talking about all this bullshit in here when i never even brought it up
and why in here
arctic lotus
why in the one place where you know im gonn ask about it
orchid oracle
You could have done that yourself
arctic lotus
youre getting fucking blocked
orchid oracle
5 years old behavior right there
arctic lotus
https://tenor.com/view/local-dumbass-learns-how-to-use-google-gif-21412951
you too honestly
remote sapphire
you too honestly
Wah wah why wont yall fucking Hand feed me all the Information wah wah
orchid oracle
lol
Straight facts tho
Bro literally me and my friends have a tierlist of types of arguments
This falls squarely in the child section
topaz solstice
this is known as the "brat" to us older lot
arctic lotus
the most boomer thing ive ever heard
arctic lotus
this statement is boomer af too lmao
steel sapphire
im so glad i woke up and saw this argument this is fucking gold
remote sapphire
im so glad i woke up and saw this argument this is fucking gold
We both earned the right to be blocked 💀
steel sapphire
welcome to the club
orchid oracle
We both earned the right to be blocked 💀
Yessir
orchid oracle
the most boomer thing ive ever heard
steel sapphire
im so glad that more ppl are finally sharing the same mindset on this thread as me
topaz solstice
that moment when you hold a conversation, while rewiring a usb 3.0 hub
and women say us guys can't multitask
crisp rune
im so glad that more ppl are finally sharing the same mindset on this thread as ...
im so confused on why raspberry pis were bought up
crisp rune
We both earned the right to be blocked 💀
i joined the club 👑
whats the raspberry pi 5 gonna have thats dififerent to the pi 4
topaz solstice
im so confused on why raspberry pis were bought up
technically to show mobo sizes, as it's closer to mobile-itx
remote sapphire
I got a rasperry 3
crisp rune
I got a rasperry 3
my school has one of every type so the issue is tryna think of which one to use for the project
and when is pi 5 releasing
remote sapphire
my school has one of every type so the issue is tryna think of which one to use ...
Well pretty sûre bigger number = better
unreal zenith
why are we talking about raspberries and not deciding on form factor
crisp rune
asked that earlier
unreal zenith
(I missed stuff probably)
arctic lotus
why are we talking about raspberries and not deciding on form factor
not me.
it was brought up and then explained poorly
i still dont know if it's a form factor, or a pc or a type of pc.
crisp rune
i expanded upon it on accident
unreal zenith
it’s just a mini pc
arctic lotus
it sounds like a specific pc
unreal zenith
No
arctic lotus
like a specific model
crisp rune
a raspberry pi is a microcomputer 🤦
unreal zenith
It’s just a company that makes mini pcs
arctic lotus
so are the numbers and letters the model
crisp rune
and the raspberry pi itself doesnt have ports for the same components as a normal pc and it can be added upon to make your own device
such as added cameras, speakers, microphones, touchscreens, etc
pale tulip
its how you can use laptop monitors as a monitor
crisp rune
its how you can use laptop monitors as a monitor
exactly lmao
arctic lotus
can you just answer my question
crisp rune
can you just answer my question
i did
and the numbers and letters are the model
yes
the newer the number the newer the model (and better)
arctic lotus
so ras pi is the company
pale tulip
as a wise man once said, the bigger the number the better the product
arctic lotus
as a wise man once said, the bigger the number the better the product
i can vouch for that
crisp rune
so ras pi is the company
yes
its in assocation with another company but i forgor who they are
arctic lotus
ig they are called sbcs
pale tulip
yeah a rasp pi is a sbc
remote sapphire
as a wise man once said, the bigger the number the better the product
Intel 11th gen: (did i forget the right gen again)
crisp rune
to make ur own creations
arctic lotus
arctic lotus
dk why she added an s
plural obviously
so yeah they are just the models
idk why i was told they were not the model names or that they werent specific pcs
they literally are
unreal zenith
some people don’t know what they are talking about
arctic lotus
the mobo it uses is proprietory so it's not mobile itx
and it has no name, so im guessing people just call the mobo ras pi
pale tulip
and it has no name, so im guessing people just call the mobo ras pi
i mean the mobo is the pc ig
crisp rune
idk why i was told they were not the model names or that they werent specific pc...
i said they were the model names
lmao
people dont call the raspberry pi mobo a mobo
cus the whole thing is technically a mobo
u cant make ur own pi it comes fully together
arctic lotus
so now i wanna know. why the fuck we keep talking about soc and ras pi lmao
jesus fucking christ
so soc is basically a whole pc but on a single chip
crisp rune
cus u wanted to know?
pale tulip
so now i wanna know. why the fuck we keep talking about soc and ras pi lmao
then ask something else
crisp rune
a soc is a system on a chip
arctic lotus
and sbcs are a whole pc on a single pcb
arctic lotus
cus u wanted to know?
no lmao
if you arent going to help get lost.
i blocked you for a reason
crisp rune
i was helping you
arctic lotus
soc and ras pi kept being brought up by literally everyone else
crisp rune
mhm
topaz solstice
so soc is basically a whole pc but on a single chip
yes and no, it's got the controllers for everything on a single chip but it has none of the ports, pretty much what a modern cpu is
runic bloom
what a useless term
whats wrong with it, just a general term for smaller sized pc's and parts. not everything needs an exact definition
hazy hedge
@arctic lotus get a goxlr or a goxlr mini
arctic lotus
it's not a form factor, its a broad term that groups up a bunch of form factors together, that are small. it means absolutely nothing.
it's better to just say itx or sfx or itx tower.
it has no use outside of meaning "small" and being a bussword for pc builders
even usff has more use
pale tulip
<@841694455747706911> get a goxlr or a goxlr mini
get a hobby
arctic lotus
oh but it's not atx or eatx or matx cause "obviously"
then what could it be
just itx
topaz solstice
pretty much what i said no ?
runic bloom
there are cases that can fit atx mobos that are the size of a lot of itx cases lmao
topaz solstice
stx being smaller than itx/mini itx
topaz solstice
but wouldnt nitx and pitx and nuc be usff
yes, still can be said as sff
hazy hedge
get a hobby
what is that about?
topaz solstice
usff just adds ultra to it, still essentially a small form factor
runic bloom
like this case is of a smaller form factor
arctic lotus
if sff can be said interchangeably for usff, then that further speaks to the vagueness of the word.
arctic lotus
if sff includes all of usff with the addition of itx, then there is no point in having two terms
topaz solstice
if sff can be said interchangeably for usff, then that further speaks to the vag...
sff covers a wide area of small form factors, usff just narrows it down more so
topaz solstice
it can fit an atx mobo though
no no it can't
no sff build has an atx/matx mobo in it
pale tulip
what is that about?
u r annoying
topaz solstice
like this case is of a smaller form factor
itx/mini-itx in that
hazy hedge
u r annoying
For trying to help?
arctic lotus
i dont see it that way, to me, there are many more ultra small form factors than there are small form factors that are too big to be ultra small form factor
runic bloom
you have to use a sfx psu but yeah
arctic lotus
if there was just 1 term and sff means to include all of the super small stuff like sbc and nucs and all that, then i can understand it's use
hazy hedge
blud no one cares about goxlr
It’s a great audio interface
pale tulip
not important
topaz solstice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MViu-g1ORG4
custom case?
hazy hedge
not important
She not gunna use sound ever?
runic bloom
pale tulip
stop trying to derail the chat
topaz solstice
if there was just 1 term and sff means to include all of the super small stuff l...
treat usff as a variant/sub tier of sff, it makes it way less vague for use
topaz solstice
She not gunna use sound ever?
if she does, she can just hook up to the sound system in the van when she does van life, and that's super simple and easier
runic bloom
if sff includes all of usff with the addition of itx, then there is no point in ...
do you think the word "tiny" shouldnt exist cause the word "small" does 
hazy hedge
If this is her first pc she is building an ultra small form factor is not a great beginner project just saying. It takes a lot of planning before you just start putting parts in
arctic lotus
do you think the word "tiny" shouldnt exist cause the word "small" does <:thonk:...
those words have about as much meaning as sff and usff
everyone fucking telling me to get a sff case, like bruh. just say a small case lmao
runic bloom
really dont see the difference
topaz solstice
everyone fucking telling me to get a sff case, like bruh. just say a small case ...
well that's definitely not what i've suggested to go for
runic bloom
youre complaining for the sake of complaining here ngl
arctic lotus
ik
arctic lotus
youre complaining for the sake of complaining here ngl
well not really, im just annoyed because people use that word so much.
i literally thought this whole time
topaz solstice
arctic lotus
that itx was for mobo, and sfx was for psu and that sff was gonna be for cases
crimson niche
arctic lotus
but it's not
anyway, back to cases.
so whats the best side panel material
looks like these are the options
and pcpp says tinted tempered glass is the best
solar gulch
I have tempered glass 🤷♂️
crisp rune
tempred glass is the strongest
arctic lotus
im guessing acrylic is just the shitty clear plastic ones
crisp rune
tinted tempered is just for visuals
solar gulch
ye
topaz solstice
mesh/none
solar gulch
tempered is best imo
crisp rune
i have got a glass panel cus i would just worry lmao
topaz solstice
tempred glass is the strongest
weakest against mesh/none
arctic lotus
tempred glass is the strongest
alr i will unblock you
crisp rune
weakest against mesh/none
fair enough
topaz solstice
tempered is best imo
if you have it in a spot you're looking at it
topaz solstice
what does none mean exactly
pure sheet metal
solar gulch
what does none mean exactly
im assuming he means it covered/cant see inside
crisp rune
what does none mean exactly
none means pure sheet
topaz solstice
so mesh is the strongest?
mesh has strength while still allowing airflow
arctic lotus
oh so then none would be the most durable then
solar gulch
oh so then none would be the most durable then
yeah but you wont see any rgb or am i mistaken
topaz solstice
oh so then none would be the most durable then
yes, especially when you're thinking of doing van life later on
solar gulch
i built my pc like 2 months ago
topaz solstice
yeah but you wont see any rgb or am i mistaken
nope
arctic lotus
but if you do none, you can't do rgb
crisp rune
exactly
solar gulch
but if you do none, you can't do rgb
basically
topaz solstice
but if you do none, you can't do rgb
you can still
you just don't see it from the side
crisp rune
you can still
would be wasted money tho
solar gulch
mesh if u want good airflow
tempered glass if you want good asthetics
tinted tempered glass if you just want the glass darker
topaz solstice
would be wasted money tho
rgb fans
topaz solstice
more visible rgb = more fps ofc ofc
fuck off with that meme
like literally take a long hike
topaz solstice
and clearly no brains if you use that meme
arctic lotus
what does the power supply column inside cases mean on pcpp
solar gulch
and clearly no brains if you use that meme
its just a meme bro relax 😭
topaz solstice
what does the power supply column inside cases mean on pcpp
the wattage the psu has
topaz solstice
its just a meme bro relax 😭
only idiots believe that meme
arctic lotus
oh yeah so it means the case comes with a psu
topaz solstice
oh yeah so it means the case comes with a psu
some, not all
and not all of those are good to use
many are group regulated, which makes them tier F psu's
solar gulch
oh yeah so it means the case comes with a psu
it most likely means what wattage of psu the case can fit? not too sure
i just bought a 750 and called it a day 😭
topaz solstice
it most likely means what wattage of psu the case can fit? not too sure
nope, what the case comes with
solar gulch
nope, what the case comes with
ok
crisp rune
cases come with psus???!??!/
solar gulch
save money and don't buy ones with psus ig
solar gulch
cases come with psus???!??!/
thats what I thought 💀
arctic lotus
i also feel like if it comes with a shitty little psu, that kind of points to the case being kind of bad. like i dont feel like im getting a deal. i feel like its an old marketing trick or a budget deal finder thing
topaz solstice
cases come with psus???!??!/
there are a few cases that come with 250-650w psu's
crisp rune
so little shitty ones?
arctic lotus
and im not really wanting a budget case
solar gulch
i also feel like if it comes with a shitty little psu, that kind of points to th...
yeah do u have any particular preferences with your cases or nah?
arctic lotus
pink
solar gulch
i see
arctic lotus
but it has to be cute.