and don't you dare say dream is trolling
#building my 1st pc
lusty tiger
solar gulch
i can message??!!!! :)
lusty tiger
i can message??!!!! :)
only you can answer that question. if you're going to help, then yes, if not, then no
solar gulch
only you can answer that question. if you're going to help, then yes, if not, th...
i have been helping
i think
lusty tiger
and you should continue
solar gulch
hmm
topaz solstice
apart from multi gpu, it's also due to the adapter that comes with 40 series nvidia's as most are using atx 2.0/2.2 psu's still and the adapter takes 4 pcie connectors to the 12vhpwr/pcie 5.0 connector
sata 2.5's use 2 cables, 1 for data, 1 for power, the power one is already with the psu itself
prisma spindle
Oh lord I just read through chat and it’s not looking good
topaz solstice
if one of them fails, multiple of them fail as they're on the same rail
prisma spindle
She could be.
remote sapphire
could be
arctic lotus
sata 2.5's use 2 cables, 1 for data, 1 for power, the power one is already with ...
so the data one isnt on the psu then
topaz solstice
so the data one isnt on the psu then
never is, the mobo usually comes with 2 of them
arctic lotus
is molex just for fans
topaz solstice
fans/pumps/other
topaz solstice
they're better than sata connectors tbh
arctic lotus
how so
topaz solstice
sata connectors max out at 5amp, molex connectors max out at 11amp
arctic lotus
and all the ones that say PCIe are for the gpu basically.
topaz solstice
and all the ones that say PCIe are for the gpu basically.
yes
arctic lotus
do they do data at all
topaz solstice
12v at 5amp = 60w max, meanwhile 12v at 11 amp = 132w max, if i had to adapt a cable to power a gpu i'd adapt a molex connector
topaz solstice
do they do data at all
none of them do that
psu = power supply unit, means power only
so any cable from it, naturally just supplies power
arctic lotus
so the number of pins determine the amount of watts for PCIe power connectors
topaz solstice
yes/no
most will recognise 6 pin pcie as 75w only, and 8 pin as 150w only
but in realitiy a 8 pin pcie cable can easily do 300w on it
arctic lotus
and by 8 pin you mean 6+2 pin
topaz solstice
and a 6 pin is more like 150
topaz solstice
and by 8 pin you mean 6+2 pin
yup
arctic lotus
why do they separate it. what is the +2 or +4 part etc
topaz solstice
why do they separate it. what is the +2 or +4 part etc
well for pcie, it's 2 extra ground cables
for eps, it's the cable doubled up
as eps is 4 pin in origin
arctic lotus
oh wait mb
ig 8 pin and 6+2 pin are different
oh actually idk. on pcpp they are different
but i have a timeline of them now
6 pin came out first, then 6+2 or 8 then 8 pin if it isnt the same as 6+2 pin and then 12 pin and then 12+4 pin which is 12vhpwr pcie 5.0 atx3 connector.
arctic lotus
so 6 pin is 75w even if it is 6+2 in 6 pin mode. 8 pins is 150w even if it is 6+2 pin in 8 pin mode.
12 pin is 600w
it says 12+4 is still 600w tho
topaz solstice
though there is an 8 pin eps extension which tbh is fustratingly annoying
topaz solstice
it says 12+4 is still 600w tho
that's the 12vhpwr/pcie 5.0 tbh
though i could do 600w off a single 8pin connector if it was 4x 12v+ and 4x ground
as the pcie is over provisioned for tbh
the 6 pin pcie being rated for 75w tbf is annoying, as you could shove 450w down it before it melts
468w would be it's theoretical limit
and that is how it's over provisioned for
2x 6 pin eps would give you an easy 600w without trying alone
and that works out at 100w per pairing on the pins
which tbh is no where near the failure point for the connector
topaz solstice
the 8 pin eps cable is rated for around 200w, even though it coud do double that tbh
lucid ledge
She could be.
I hate suspense 😢
lusty tiger
ig 8 pin and 6+2 pin are different
6 + 2 pin is just to make the 8 pins compatible with 6 pin pcie devices. When doing custom cables, most people use 8 pin connectors instead of 6 + 2.
There is 0 difference in wiring between 8 pin and 6 + 2 pin
As far as when they came out, it was the same time (6 + 2 and 8)
gentle elm
No…….. everyone can talk no one is saying anyone can’t talk
Man 1. Just leave if you don’t wanna be here
2. If you do stay be constructive
lusty tiger
No…….. everyone can talk no one is saying anyone can’t talk
I was saying “don’t message unless you’re going to help” and he said that as a troll.
gentle elm
I was saying “don’t message unless you’re going to help” and he said that as a t...
Yeah I saw
arctic lotus
im still confused about this form factor on pcpp
what is mini itx psu? they are not sfx or the same size as sfx psus
they are like laptop charger size
topaz solstice
what is mini itx psu? they are not sfx or the same size as sfx psus
that is closer to an atx-flex psu
though tbh you selected a shit one
lusty tiger
If it’s going to be atx anyway, why even look at the other options
topaz solstice
probably so she can understand the design/layout of other psu's
unreal zenith
she won’t even use 99% of the information she has gotten out of these threads
lusty tiger
yeah :/
steel sapphire
nice toes
lusty tiger
Why
solar gulch
toesies
lusty tiger
Because it has nothing to do with this thread, channel, or discord server
arctic lotus
in the next 2 days i will be looking to pick a lot of parts. i am off for the next 2 days and im p much done with psu research. i want to look into sfx psus for a potential itx build
arctic lotus
that is closer to an atx-flex psu
this is what chatgpt 4 and 3.5 say and bing ai.
but on pcpp its listed as mini itx
and in its name its listed as mini itx
and i didnt choose it. it was an example of what im seeing on pcpp that i am confused by
cause it says online the mini itx is not even a psu form factor
it goes sfx then sfx l the flex atx then atx
below sfx is pico and then nano
which do count as form factors
topaz solstice
below sfx is pico and then nano
you're mixing psu and motherboards
hollow orchid
this is gonna end up becoming another month of debate
gentle elm
in the next 2 days i will be looking to pick a lot of parts. i am off for the ne...
just for note you will also have to redecide mobo if you decide to switch also with smaller form factor cooling is harder and you get less features in your mobo and you will prob have to do aircooling for the cpu because most mini itx cases can do 1 240 which is used by your gpu
BUT for van life mini itx or micro atx would be better
lusty tiger
in the next 2 days i will be looking to pick a lot of parts. i am off for the ne...
decide on form factor today, right now
gentle elm
yes because that will posiblly make you need to find a diffrent gpu and dif mobo
lusty tiger
it will possibly mean basically every component chosen will need to be rechosen
a mini itx motherboard wont have 3 m.2 slots
gentle elm
yeah
gentle elm
a mini itx motherboard wont have 3 m.2 slots
max 2
lusty tiger
form factor should be step 1
gentle elm
yes
lusty tiger
in this build especially
gentle elm
the way i think works best is budget> formfactor> gpu or cpu> then gpu or cpu > mobo > ram > storage > psu > case
cooler after cpu and gpu*
lusty tiger
best sfx psu
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Standard-Modular-PS-STP-1000FNFAGU-1/dp/B0BMWMY96B
and even better, it has the "gold lettering" on the tier list, since that means SO much to dream
gentle elm
definitly
lusty tiger
dont even look further than A tier. and, since there is an sfx and atx psu in the ATX 3.0 psus, theres no reason to look beyond even that
(for this build)
gentle elm
the only reason id reccomed itx to dream is for van life
lusty tiger
yeah, other than that, atx all the way
lusty tiger
especially if she wants like...any storage expansion
gentle elm
yea
lusty tiger
my input, best psu:
ATX
https://www.amazon.com/quiet-Titanium-Efficiency-Modular-Supply/dp/B0BV6CWS2Z
SFX
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Standard-Modular-PS-STP-1000FNFAGU-1/dp/B0BMWMY96B
gentle elm
i mean yeah
lusty tiger
but before we continue with anything, form factor MUST be decided
i dont want to decide on a ton of shit, only for dream to say "no i want itx" randomly
gentle elm
if that happens im just outta here
hollow orchid
i can assure you they’re trolling
lusty tiger
no proof, go away
gentle elm
i can assure you they’re trolling
i used to agree with that and it still seems yet just no proof
hollow orchid
ok now that i think about it, it just sounds they’re taking the piss
gentle elm
like they keep switching what they want
i mean i do the same but i dont go to ask discord till im fully ready
lusty tiger
regardless, everyone needs to stop saying this is a troll
hollow orchid
yea
arctic lotus
a mini itx motherboard wont have 3 m.2 slots
i dont need 3
lusty tiger
i dont need 3
3 drives? Is one of them a regular pcie slot? That one really won’t work with itx
arctic lotus
and even better, it has the "gold lettering" on the tier list, since that means ...
i mean why get A instead A+
lusty tiger
There is no A+
arctic lotus
no you are fucking wrong
i joined the cultist server awhile back
and got confirmation
A+ are the "gold lettering" in the A tier group 🤯🤯🤯🤯
lusty tiger
I’m not going to argue
arctic lotus
no im not going to fucking argue
i wont tell your ass again
i literally contacted the creators of the list itself
lusty tiger
i wont tell your ass again
How nice of you -_-
arctic lotus
call it whatever the fuck you wanna call it. but A+ is not the same as A lmao.
lusty tiger
i literally contacted the creators of the list itself
Did you now
gentle elm
A is the highest.................
arctic lotus
A+ is the highest
gentle elm
i wont tell your ass again
lusty tiger
Which creator
arctic lotus
theres multiple creators. and basically they all got mad at me cause they thought i was trying to say what you guys were trying to say, and basically just said they couldnt believe i was taking anyone in here seriously
gentle elm
please explain where this "a+" is
arctic lotus
so they basically just said, "why are you still here then? you are obviously correct. now get lost"
then they posted the same key legend thing that i posted.
lusty tiger
If that is the case, they should label their tier list better
gentle elm
fr
arctic lotus
If that is the case, they should label their tier list better
gold lettering or +, -, * or whatever doesnt matter
lusty tiger
Because labeling a tier “A” and then saying “oh yeah, these are actually A+”
Is fucking stupid
gentle elm
ah yes gold lettering
arctic lotus
A is still fine.
gentle elm
that isnt a+ its gold lettering
lmao forgot she cant see any of this cus im still blocked for zero reason
lusty tiger
and if it is A+, why the fuck dont they say it here
arctic lotus
and if it is A+, why the fuck dont they say it here
because it's in the spreadsheet, not the tier list.
gentle elm
because it's in the spreadsheet, not the tier list.
what "spreadsheet"
arctic lotus
its literally just two different formats to view the same thing. except the spreadsheet has the information about the psu instead of just the name.
lusty tiger
they expect everyone to go through that frankly awful spreadsheet to figure out their psu? the website is hard enough
arctic lotus
what "spreadsheet"
its on their website and it's literally attached to the tier list.
lusty tiger
dont see any A+ here
arctic lotus
they expect everyone to go through that frankly awful spreadsheet to figure out ...
i mean personally, yeah i agree, i hated it when i first saw it and i hated it after i learned how to read it, but it is helpful and they do good testing.
gentle elm
yeah still no A+
arctic lotus
Because labeling a tier “A” and then saying “oh yeah, these are actually A+”
a lot of that stuff is subjective tho. and thats what they were saying too. i wasnt trying to say A+ was a "tier" all by itself and that it wasnt apart of A tier lmao or that A is a tier below A+. but you can call them whatever you want. they called them subtiers, but it really doesnt matter.
they went on a spree about how it is subjective and that A+ is really only better because it is more reliably reviewed than A*
lusty tiger
it really did sound like that. i understand that now
arctic lotus
so like A- could be worse than A *, but at least you know A- is A tier.
with A * you actually dont know if it is A or B. a review could release in the future that makes it B or B+ since they have stated that has literally happened before.
lusty tiger
but i think anything gold or blue in A tier is a pretty safe bet
gentle elm
hell most Bs would be good
lusty tiger
at this budget, nothing less than A tbh
gentle elm
yeah totally but for general
arctic lotus
exactly
lusty tiger
especially when the bequiet one and the thermaltake one are both incredibly cheap for their performance
arctic lotus
which is why i started including A normal priority psus in my search as well
lusty tiger
why are you still searching for psus tho
gentle elm
~~especially when the bequiet one and the thermaltake one are both incredibly ch...
yeah thermaltake is amazing (im sure the bequite one is also good but i havent looked into it much)
lusty tiger
thermaltakes reputation is soley derived from their $40 600W something psu that has gone to 12 years of college to be a bomb
celest trench
Two months is crazy i been wondering why theres so many messages here
lusty tiger
dont even start
gentle elm
Two months is crazy i been wondering why theres so many messages here
3 months*
lusty tiger
dont even start
ahem
lucid ledge
Come on dream ask more question! Creeper is always there for you :)
lusty tiger
Form factor first, that’s all I’m saying
lucid ledge
Form factor first, that’s all I’m saying
Talking to me?
lusty tiger
Kinda. Any questions should be about form factor until she decides on the form factor
lucid ledge
Kinda. Any questions should be about form factor until she decides on the form f...
She is on the case now?
pale tulip
no
lucid ledge
Could you update me, i am curious
Last time was when she was amazed by cpu specs ... and m1aking ratio*
lusty tiger
She is on the case now?
No idea tbh
lucid ledge
@arctic lotus can i get an update?
topaz solstice
what "spreadsheet"
on the website, they have a shortcut to the spreadsheet clearly labelled
topaz solstice
they expect everyone to go through that frankly awful spreadsheet to figure out ...
they don't tbh it's just greater info for the tier list to fall back on for the better part
sharp harness
I personally don't get all the hate the spreadsheet gets but I guess I'm a bit biased.
It's just a great source of information.
topaz solstice
it's info worth using to fall back on in regards to the tier list
arctic lotus
I personally don't get all the hate the spreadsheet gets but I guess I'm a bit b...
i prefer the spreadsheet.
i personally just wouldnt go for speculative or low priority units.
in any tier.
arctic lotus
thermaltakes reputation is soley derived from their $40 600W something psu that ...
so are you saying thermaltake is bad theen
the gold lettering also includes the quiet operation from the blue lettering even if it's not really stated. (it's implied afaik)
if i were to pick a psu right now, it would be the axi
also i found out that the mini itx psus are bs. the mini itx form factor doesnt exist for PSUs which i already knew, but all the mini itx psus on pcpp are just flexatx psus
topaz solstice
so are you saying thermaltake is bad theen
more of their reputation has came from a few clones of coolers that have been sub par, as well as the few not so great psu's
they've been nicknames thermalfake for a reason
that one came from their cooler clones
topaz solstice
tbh, it's their own fault for that nickname
they've afaik always been treated as a thermalright knock off company
though they've got a couple good cases that are unique enough that you can theme it for certain things
topaz solstice
as an example, technically an open air case
but with a respray, some accents, and a couple 3d printed add ons, you could theme this like a drop ship or helicopter
or if you're familiar with 'aliens' films, the cockpit of the power loader
lusty tiger
so are you saying thermaltake is bad theen
No, that specific psu is bad. They make an amazing 1kW sfx psu, as you saw
steel sapphire
@lusty tiger you still think shes not trolling?
not even shitposting at this point genuine question
lusty tiger
Yes, I still think she’s not trolling
steel sapphire
thoroughly shocked
even after she basically told you to go f yourself
i respect the commitment
arctic lotus
they've afaik always been treated as a thermalright knock off company
waiiitt what is thermalright lol
lusty tiger
they make cheap coolers n stuff
topaz solstice
waiiitt what is thermalright lol
namely a cooler company
arctic lotus
oh wow
topaz solstice
for example, frozen notte
peerless assassin 120 se
both of these are made by thermalright
thermaltake toughair
hazy hedge
what cpu she doing?
topaz solstice
basically a knock off PA by thermaltake, hence thermalfake being the nickname
topaz solstice
what cpu she doing?
7950x3d still i think
topaz solstice
safest bet then
nope
hazy hedge
why?
hazy hedge
by how much?
crisp rune
this is what chatgpt 4 and 3.5 say and bing ai.
why using ai ?
arctic lotus
i was told to. i hated it at first. then i tried using it. and i was irritated that i had to make an account. but overall. it helps a lot.
arctic lotus
7950x3d still i think
yes
hazy hedge
https://www.microcenter.com/product/635270/ProSiphon_Elite_Intel-AMD_CPU_Cooler
did GN do stats for this?
wasnt it really good?
topaz solstice
https://www.microcenter.com/product/635270/ProSiphon_Elite_Intel-AMD_CPU_Cooler
...
think he did, though it uses arctic p12 pwm and pwm pst fans
hazy hedge
think he did, though it uses arctic p12 pwm and pwm pst fans
fans can be swapped out
topaz solstice
which ironically are better than noctua fans
hazy hedge
do the same cooler as me
lusty tiger
W peerless assassin :D
steel sapphire
do the same cooler as me
arent you going direct die tho
hazy hedge
nvm not am5
hazy hedge
arent you going direct die tho
no
topaz solstice
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-delta2-tec-d-rgb-full-nickel
not good for if she does van life
lusty tiger
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-delta2-tec-d-rgb-full-nickel
custom watercooling is a bad idea for a first time builder
and that
steel sapphire
oh i thought u were for some reason
hazy hedge
arent you going direct die tho
its a sub ambient cooler
topaz solstice
nvm not am5
they have an am5 version but it's for x670 chipset mobo's
steel sapphire
not good for if she does van life
shes not doing van life i thought
topaz solstice
shes not doing van life i thought
vanlife currently = depends
steel sapphire
or was it shes picking where she lives based off the pc
lusty tiger
shes not doing van life i thought
thats another thing that should be decided, along with form factor
topaz solstice
thats another thing that should be decided, along with form factor
tbh atx/matx both are fine
lusty tiger
yeah its fine, but she needs to decide whether she wants atx, matx, or itx
topaz solstice
just use a mid atx case and that gives you all the flexibility there
crisp rune
W peerless assassin :D
Agreed
topaz solstice
itx will limit her the most
lusty tiger
because that will determine literally every component
if she does go itx, there's no reason to get a mid tower case
steel sapphire
itx shouldnt even be a conversation
topaz solstice
if she does go itx, there's no reason to get a mid tower case
it will mean she will have to go for a 4070ti/4080 instead tbh
lusty tiger
yeah
crisp rune
is she going for aio, or a full loop or air cooling?
lusty tiger
itll decide gpu, psu, storage, and case
steel sapphire
is she going for aio, or a full loop or air cooling?
she hasnt decided
(its been since july)
hazy hedge
Let delid her cpu too!
steel sapphire
yes
hazy hedge
Great for first timers to learn
steel sapphire
just need a flathead screwdriver and some elbow grease
crisp rune
(its been since july)
oh, is this the thread where shes tryna learn how everything works?
hazy hedge
It’s easy with a $700 thermal camera
steel sapphire
oh, is this the thread where shes tryna learn how everything works?
the one and only
crisp rune
the one and only
i did that and regret it now lmao, not in this depth tho
steel sapphire
my moneys on her being a troll
lusty tiger
Let delid her cpu too!
no, just stop
magic grove
I think this thread will be measured in years by the time yall are done
steel sapphire
especially with the mod favoritism
lusty tiger
@arctic lotus what form factor are you going with. we need to decide that now
lusty tiger
im intrested in why she wants to know how every part works now
thats how she is about everything, and i mean everything
crisp rune
thats how she is about everything, and i mean **everything**
oh dang
steel sapphire
yeah thats how she is but why
topaz solstice
i also forget about deepcool's assassin 4 which also blows the nh-d15 out the water performance wise, and it's around the same price as the nh-d15
crisp rune
i have to research the components to pass my school course but not in this depth lmao
i still hate RAID
steel sapphire
i just got a drp4 bc the novelty of slapping a massive chunk of metal on my cpu and saying be quiet was hilarious to me
topaz solstice
is she going for aio, or a full loop or air cooling?
full loop it will not be
crisp rune
full loop it will not be
most likely air cooling right?
topaz solstice
i just got a drp4 bc the novelty of slapping a massive chunk of metal on my cpu ...
you've not seen the assassin 4 then
crisp rune
im getting the deepcool assassin 120 se cus its the passive neutral good route
topaz solstice
most likely air cooling right?
aio from the looks of it, though she might do mix
arctic lotus
okay i get it now. EPS is basically a psu form factor
crisp rune
aio from the looks of it, though she might do mix
ahhh ok
topaz solstice
crisp rune
AIO;s dont come with the fans preinstalled do they... sadly
topaz solstice
okay i get it now. EPS is basically a psu form factor
um no, eps = the cable for the cpu's power
arctic lotus
comes from the name eps12v, which is the specification probably similar to atx12v except its for servers
steel sapphire
but it doesnt say be quiet which is the funny part
topaz solstice
AIO;s dont come with the fans preinstalled do they... sadly
several do afaik
topaz solstice
but it doesnt say be quiet which is the funny part
7 heatpipe beast
remote sapphire
I think this thread will be measured in years by the time yall are done
Yes
magic grove
It's been 3 months
crisp rune
several do afaik
fair enough, if i was doing my dream build, with no budget limit i would do my own loop for the experience
steel sapphire
It's been 3 months
approaching 4
crisp rune
wait ive not even asked, what is this gonna be used for???
topaz solstice
fair enough, if i was doing my dream build, with no budget limit i would do my o...
well as a rule of thumb, you will pay as much as it cost you for the inital build to cool it
crisp rune
mhm
steel sapphire
wait ive not even asked, what is this gonna be used for???
no clue
probably games
crisp rune
like
What is it used for
How often
And is there going to be high loads of multitasking
those are my main questions
crisp rune
yeah, hence the no budget lmao
lusty tiger
wait ive not even asked, what is this gonna be used for???
everything + 1
arctic lotus
so eps12v is the connector for the cpu power.
lusty tiger
so eps12v is the connector for the cpu power.
yes
crisp rune
my 2.5k build i want is the fractal design torrent so i have a deepcool assassin IV 79.1
topaz solstice
so eps12v is the connector for the cpu power.
yes though it's just called eps
topaz solstice
like
What is it used for
How often
And is there going to be high loads of multit...
summarised from a previous thread
crisp rune
all of that?
pale tulip
boinc sounds funny
crisp rune
agreed
topaz solstice
boinc sounds funny
it's similar to folding afaik
crisp rune
i love, redundant array of independent (or inexpensive if ur old term) disks
hazy hedge
Does pealing the sticker off of the nvme really change the thermal transfers?
steel sapphire
idk i take the stickers off mine
crisp rune
same
topaz solstice
Does pealing the sticker off of the nvme really change the thermal transfers?
nope, but it does void warranties for them
crisp rune
it does?
topaz solstice
yes
unreal zenith
that’s stupid
crisp rune
oh wait no i took the sticker off something else not the nvme
unreal zenith
it’s a sticker
crisp rune
🤦 i got confusion
topaz solstice
the stickers are designed to let heat through them as alot are thin copper
steel sapphire
nope, but it does void warranties for them
bro what thats bs
topaz solstice
it’s a sticker
it contains info on the drive, and is thermally conductive itself
unreal zenith
oh
topaz solstice
bro what thats bs
nope, removal of the sticker shows that it's been tampered with
steel sapphire
wait the stickers are made of copper
topaz solstice
wait the stickers are made of copper
alot of them have thin copper inside them
crisp rune
thank god i didnt take mine off
steel sapphire
that makes way more sense
topaz solstice
and by thin, i mean the thickness of your hair essentially
topaz solstice
oh thats thin
and yet still thermally conductive enough
topaz solstice
wait is this chat used as a general question chat sometimes?
for some people it seems to be
crisp rune
fair enough
steel sapphire
its just used as a general chat bc dream has like half the server blocked so it doesnt interfere with her
topaz solstice
though for some of it, it does give dream some extra info
steel sapphire
if she hasnt blocked them
crisp rune
why she block people
i joined the chat earlier to see what it was and left cus people were just getting sworn at
crisp rune
jesus thats a bit...
arctic lotus
nvm the stuff i said about eps earlier was wrong
eps12v is the connector. eps is the shorthand. it's not a form factor at all.
lusty tiger
Why the fuck would it be a form factor
hollow orchid
though they've got a couple good cases that are unique enough that you can theme...
i like the versa h18
arctic lotus
Why the fuck would it be a form factor
cause bing ai got it wrong and i had to fact check it.
hollow orchid
bing ai
you used ai for something like that?
ai is not supposed to be right all of the time either
topaz solstice
eps12v is the connector. eps is the shorthand. it's not a form factor at all.
basically what i said earlier no?
topaz solstice
i like the versa h18
it's a good case for it's price
arctic lotus
well yeah what you said earlier is the reason why
topaz solstice
there's some unofficial form factors but those are alternatives to server mobo's alot of the time
hollow orchid
it's a good case for it's price
i can agree with that
topaz solstice
it gets annoying when certain ai's give the wrong info
mortal slate
Imagine where we would be if she just bought the parts already
hollow orchid
on with our lives
solar gulch
Imagine where we would be if she just bought the parts already
sleeping
arctic lotus
okay ive figured out that pico and nano form factors are not standardized either and are more proprietory so that's just a name some psu manufacturers will put on their psu but its not an official form factor with defined dimensions.
atx ps2 is standardized as well, but atx ps3 isnt, but its well defined online.
i wonder why there is not ps1 or ps4, but maybe the ps3 is just tech fanmade. but then i wonder why call it ps2 instead of just atx.
lusty tiger
i wonder why there is not ps1 or ps4, but maybe the ps3 is just tech fanmade. bu...
What are you talking about with ps2 and 3
arctic lotus
but for atx the length is basically just 100mm+
tfx is weird so it makes sense that its rare
also since flex atx is just tfx but better.
topaz solstice
i wonder why there is not ps1 or ps4, but maybe the ps3 is just tech fanmade. bu...
those are all consoles, not psu's
lusty tiger
also since flex atx is just tfx but better.
Why are you even doing this
There’s no point
arctic lotus
i didnt really understand psu form factors
topaz solstice
and the only connector with the same name as a console is ps/2 which is an older but still used connector that's 6 pin and used for mice and keyboards
arctic lotus
and i was still confused about why pcpp marked psus as mini itx
when they are not
but now im not confused
topaz solstice
also thermaltake has only one model that's labelled p2
there isn't an atx ps2/atx ps3
it's just atx
arctic lotus
these arent specific models, just what other tech forums are calling them
atx ps3 isnt mainstream
arctic lotus
yeah ps3 isnt standardized
ill change it to this
since it's not official
so really just the 5 big ones
topaz solstice
tbh sfx-l is still just sfx
it's just an elongated version of an sfx psu
mostly due to the wattatge it looks like
arctic lotus
yeah true but i thought sfxl was made standard
lusty tiger
It is standard
arctic lotus
also i am going to compare the protections of psus i want
lusty tiger
120mm fan instead of a 92mm fan
arctic lotus
might as well get as many protections as possible
also what oems are the best?
ik hynix does a good job on ram
lusty tiger
None of them
arctic lotus
but i hear hynix was doing similar stuff on psus
gn interviewed a couple people too
lusty tiger
Iirc, most, if not all, the manufacturers in A tier for psus also have psus in F tier
arctic lotus
yeah thats true
lusty tiger
And basically all motherboard manufacturers have had a scandal of some kind
Samsung’s famed reliabliy for ssd’s has been tainted by the firmware for their 980 pro 2TB model fabricating nand errors
Has since been fixed
The truth is, no manufacturer is perfect
That’s why you trust the product (when reviewed/tested well) not the brand
lusty tiger
What
topaz solstice
might as well get as many protections as possible
tbh with tier A it's pretty much presumed it has all the protections, though it's best to check on a model by model bases
topaz solstice
Samsung’s famed reliabliy for ssd’s has been tainted by the firmware for their 9...
990 pro also had an issue
arctic lotus
tbh with tier A it's pretty much presumed it has all the protections, though it...
thats what i was also told
yeah so maybe i wont check for all 100 psus i have so far
i will only check for the good ones out of those
topaz solstice
yeah so maybe i wont check for all 100 psus i have so far
tbh, should be from only the ones that was suggested to you
lusty tiger
Be Quiet! Dark power 13 (best)
Ax1600i (if you must)
Unless you’re doing itx
Hurry up and decide that though
Seriously, before any other fucking research
gentle elm
Damn she hasn’t decided yet and we told her yesterday you had to decide right then
seems a lot like trolling if I must say still no proof tho
gentle elm
<@841694455747706911>
decide the form factor, atx or itx.
Also decide on van l...
Yeah for van life she should get like a 7600 and 4070 or smth like that
gentle elm
Be Quiet! Dark power 13 (best)
Ax1600i (if you must)
Isn’t the 1600 t2 also amazing
I’m pretty sure that beats the ax1600i and is on par with the dark power 13
topaz solstice
Be Quiet! Dark power 13 (best)
Ax1600i (if you must)
there's also the msi meg 1000w pcie5
lusty tiger
Tbh any tier A
I just found that the dark power 13 was pretty cheap for its specs
And the 1600i has lots of wattage if she really wants that
honest totem
Bro…
Psu is so simple
Calcaire your usage by an 80+ gold okd
Go Corsair or something reliable
1200+ watts
And boom it’ll last 10 years
😂
lusty tiger
Go Corsair or something reliable
Tier A on the psu tier list
Aka the dark power 13
Or the 1600i
gentle elm
Imo the order for what dream should get 1600 t2 > dark power 13 > ax1600i
lusty tiger
Or this one
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Crossfire-Connector-PS-TPD-1200FNFAGU-4/dp/B0BF4YRCK8
Then again, she needs to choose form factor
hollow orchid
i think this is very extra
like explaining every little detail about a psu
but that’s just me tho
lusty tiger
Everything is very extra
Any of the dozens of lists ppl sent would be perfectly fine for her
arctic lotus
i looked into all A normal priority psus today, and i found about 8 more good ones
arctic lotus
Or this one
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Crossfire-Connector-PS...
im p sure i just added this one
well in terms of psu form factor
tfx ❌
atx
flex❌
flex (mini itx) ❌
sfx
so i have narrowed it down to atx or sfx for psu form factor
sfx psu will be hard to do tho
and also i thought flex would be bigger so more mainstream than sfx, but it seems like it is rare. there are not a lot of options for wattages and the only options are low wattage
arctic lotus
also with the ones labeled as mini itx which are just flex, those ones are basically the same and seem even more rare and have even lower wattages, so no options there
lusty tiger
sfx psu will be hard to do tho
1kW thermaltake is the obvious choice
arctic lotus
im done doing, titanium, platinum, gold, and A+ and A proper options
i could look into B+ options
i dont have as many 1000w options
lusty tiger
i could look into B+ options
Don’t
Also, what form factor are you doing. You need to decide that
arctic lotus
B+ might be okay, if i want to add more wattage options and more titanium or plat options
it also seems like no one does silver and would even prefer bronze
if going budget
lusty tiger
B+ might be okay, if i want to add more wattage options and more titanium or pla...
There are psus from 750w to 2050w
arctic lotus
i think if we are going to have sfx options, then we realistically have to be okay with 850w
lusty tiger
In tier a
arctic lotus
so that leaves just these
lusty tiger
pick the form factor
Are you doing small form factor (itx) or atx
That will determine your parts
lusty tiger
i think if we are going to have sfx options, then we realistically have to be ok...
Which basically means not a 4090
arctic lotus
i just mean options
there are still 1000w sfx and sfxl
and sfxl seems to have the better parts usually
but also means no A+, A only
lusty tiger
I’m sorry, why aren’t you answering my question?
What form factor are you going for
lusty tiger
No I mean in general
arctic lotus
so far it seems that if i go sfx, my options are severely limited, and i miss out on a good amount of options
arctic lotus
No I mean in general
idk yet
lusty tiger
Are you doing an itx build or are
arctic lotus
i dont know if i will miss out on alot yet
but so far, from all my research, i basically miss out on nothing by going itx
lusty tiger
If you’re doing van life, itx would save space
arctic lotus
so the answer is itx
lusty tiger
But it’ll limit your psu, gpu, storage, cpu cooling
arctic lotus
but you can't just say itx and still not consider the atx options
yeah so i clearly need to know more before making a decision
lusty tiger
but you can't just say itx and still not consider the atx options
Yes you can. Form factor is step 1
lusty tiger
I don’t want you to make an entire list and then decide on itx, and make the whole thing irrelevant
lusty tiger
that's not even whats happening
It is lol
lusty tiger
the mobo list is already made
What list
arctic lotus
lusty tiger
https://ambiguous-hen-8da.notion.site/225d13c19bcd4c2b9cf5a889de882c0c?v=0aa5f5f...
Ok, so you’re going small form factor
arctic lotus
itx
yeah
i already said i was going itx
im only considering atx options cause you guys told me to
lusty tiger
So the 4090 is basically not an option
arctic lotus
so it's going to take time
arctic lotus
So the 4090 is basically not an option
how
lusty tiger
Case size constraints
lusty tiger
Let me check for sure
arctic lotus
send the pcpp link
lusty tiger
It’s not on pcpartpicker
arctic lotus
i havent even started considering off pcpp options
also dont understand why it is off pcpp
arctic lotus
for cpu, it was server cpus
for gpu it was workstation gpus
i asked about off pcpp options for ram
or cpu coolers
or for psu
but idk how they work
lusty tiger
How what work
arctic lotus
if its off pcpp i basically dont trust it unless it is a cpu or gpu
lusty tiger
Why
arctic lotus
cause i was told not to. and that its not for me
lusty tiger
It being on Pcpartpicker doesn’t mean it’s automatically good, and being off pcpartpicker doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad
lusty tiger
cause i was told not to. and that its not for me
Who told you not to
orchid oracle
cause i was told not to. and that its not for me
That makes no sense to me
Pcpp is just a repository of parts from various sources on the internet
It is completely possible that it missed something
arctic lotus
topaz solstice
1kW thermaltake is the obvious choice
not really dude, corsairs sf1000l/sf850, cooler master v850, evga supernova 850gm
topaz solstice
It is completely possible that it missed something
it does, and on their forum, they clearly state to send in the site with correct info for the product
had to do it once for the sn740 from WD
topaz solstice
okay so then are they like server psus
no, no server psu's but also yes for server cpu's
arctic lotus
i posted corsair's sf1000l
it's in the list along with thermaltake's toughpower sfx
which is also 1000w
topaz solstice
yes but what limits you mainly for an itx build is that none of them do 360mm rad essentually
and where cases are also concerned, only a few handle sfx-l
you will also have to go for gen 4 nvme drives as well instead considering the temps the t700 gets to
topaz solstice
matx/atx cases are way less limiting in that purpose
mid atx cases are the most optimal case at that point
and like i said previously, get a white one, and spray it the colour you want
threadripper which is on pcpp you might as well treat as epyc server cpu's for this instance of what you're looking at cpu wise, as they're just an epyc cpu with a couple features turnt off
despite them being a hedt/workstation cpu
also their pinouts are the exact same afaik
prisma spindle
Fucking hell
I don’t even care about psu
Only three things I care about psu
Does it have enough power to power my pd
Is it a good quality product
Does it have good reviews
topaz solstice
Only three things I care about psu
that's it's good quality, right wattage and has all the cables you need
prisma spindle
that's it's good quality, right wattage and has all the cables you need
👍
prisma spindle
that's it's good quality, right wattage and has all the cables you need
You can’t forget about the reviews
topaz solstice
You can’t forget about the reviews
true, but you already get to know if it has good reviews in general terms the moment you check the tier list as such
though i prefer a balanced review, those are better
allows you to make the decision yourself if you want to purchase anything
prisma spindle
yea or you ask someone here if the psu is good or not
that what i did for my build
the cables were a bitch to installed
topaz solstice
the cables were a bitch to installed
alot of them are, mainly the 24 pin
prisma spindle
frrrr
topaz solstice
frrrr
part of why i like the corsair premium individually sleaved starter kit i got for my corsair rm650
lusty tiger
not really dude, corsairs sf1000l/sf850, cooler master v850, evga supernova 850...
I mean, sure. But they’re not the highest wattage ¯_(ツ)_/¯
topaz solstice
I mean, sure. But they’re not the highest wattage ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
they are more so when it comes to sfx psu's
hazy hedge
Should get a goxlr mini for audio control l
arctic lotus
theres also the asus rog loki
but it's speculative, so it could be really good or it could be mid
pale tulip
its prob really good
pale tulip
doesnt matter
arctic lotus
i like the rgb
pale tulip
you wont ever see it
arctic lotus
but i hear the ugly cables are black now so thats no biggie to me
pale tulip
use the god damn shroud dream
arctic lotus
ew
pale tulip
you would rather have it look like this?
arctic lotus
is that yours
pale tulip
mine wont look like that lol
i think you watched a tad bit too much youtube
arctic lotus
i havent watched any youtube for this
arctic lotus
i dont want to hide the psu lol
pale tulip
you cant just hide the psu
and psus arent nice lookign
arctic lotus
i disagree but okay
pale tulip
i dont want to hide the psu lol
it will look exactly like that
arctic lotus
you would rather have it look like this?
this is basically what i want
pale tulip
or here
arctic lotus
but not this case
pale tulip
would look so much better with a shroud
pale tulip
u r delusional
arctic lotus
a shroud to me makes it look like a toy
like it looks immature to me
personally
like a mcds playground
lusty tiger
this is basically what i want
Why in the fuck would you ever want that???
lusty tiger
I mean, it is your choice, but I think it’s a bad choice
arctic lotus
that's okay
lusty tiger
And if you ever post it anywhere, people will ask you why you don’t have a shroud, and then tell you you should have one, especially at this price point
arctic lotus
just more goofy ah pc builders being goofy, what's the difference?
lusty tiger
It’s not goofy but ok
arctic lotus
i would literally prefer this without a shroud and a visible white psu or something
you can see the pcie cable was switched out with a pink one.
sturdy anchor
just more goofy ah pc builders being goofy, what's the difference?
How long did it take you to pick an ssd lmao? If anything you’re the goofy one
lusty tiger
you can see the pcie cable was switched out with a pink one.
All of them
arctic lotus
i dont think it took that long
sturdy anchor
Dream without the shroud you’re going to see a mess of hot pink wires
arctic lotus
the main reason it too so long is cause everyone in here is wrong about optane.
lusty tiger
It took a long time
arctic lotus
Dream without the shroud you’re going to see a mess of hot pink wires
it wouldnt be a mess lmao
sturdy anchor
Yes it would
arctic lotus
you can literally cable manage it
arctic lotus
that's fine
lusty tiger
always
lusty tiger
No, the reason rgb psus exist is for people to spend extra money on them
For no reason
arctic lotus
no that is obviously not the reason lmao
lusty tiger
It would look much better to have a shroud and a regular psu than no shroud, an rgb psu, and a bunch of extra visible cable at the bottom of the pc
arctic lotus
that is complete subjective misinformation
lusty tiger
The same could be said of your statement
arctic lotus
i literally said "personally". my statement was subjective and intended as subjective.
also, my role is the pc builder, not the advice giver.
lusty tiger
But I’m not going to argue about esthetics. If you want to remove the shroud on your case and use an rgb psu, by all means do that
arctic lotus
okay thank you
arctic lotus
i would literally prefer this without a shroud and a visible white psu or someth...
are these 240mm rads
does that mean 120mm = 1 fan
240 = 2 fans
360 = 3 fans
sturdy anchor
are these 240mm rads
Probably but maybe 280mm
arctic lotus
yeah or 280
arctic lotus
yeah 140 rads too
lusty tiger
Single fan radiators are dumb, unless it’s a small form factor pc that can only fit 1
sturdy anchor
Single fan radiators are dumb, unless it’s a small form factor pc that can only ...
Yea, air coolers will definitely out perform them
lusty tiger
Yea, air coolers will definitely out perform them
And are significantly cheaper
lusty tiger
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PXCFf7/silverstone-sx1000-lpt-1000-w-80-platinu...
And? What about it
lusty tiger
So what component you looking at now? Psu?
arctic lotus
the 1100w and 1300w are not on the list
titanium isnt a possibility with sfx
and sfx struggles with platinum
most sfx seem to be gold
mortal slate
but it's speculative, so it could be really good or it could be mid
It is expensive
It is priced because of the brand and the design
arctic lotus
it seems that a asus rog loki titanium does exist but it isnt on pcpp
B speculative is p bad tho
pale tulip
meh
arctic lotus
it could be B+ or it could be C+ lol so that wouldnt be great
arctic lotus
NOO
arctic lotus
F tier is the only tier that is literally malfunctioning / return immediately
you meant E tier
pale tulip
nvm yeah i take it back my aerocool lux died
arctic lotus
E tier is just igpu levels bad, but worse cause it has little review information. so it's basically a D - - (double minus) or slightly worse than D- psus but have even less information on them. so not even D speculative either since they know its bad which is why it gets its own tier. E.
D proper is good for grandma's pc.
if i was building a budget pc, i would be looking at C+ psus first (the gold highlighted psus in C tier) since money is #1. i wouldnt look at B+ because the whole point of budget is to make it as cheap as possible.
so if it was like a budget challenge, i would literally just get the cheapest C+ psu
lusty tiger
Corsair rm750e 🤌
desert mist
you would rather have it look like this?
Talk abo bare bones
arctic lotus
Corsair rm750e 🤌
i literally can't find that on pcpp. but its a good one
i would get the rm1000e tho
arctic lotus
it looks nice, this is a really flat shroud
oh wait i found it
i still dont understand why manufacturers re release psus and make them cheaper
like why not just make the existing 2022 version cheaper
steel sapphire
the main reason it too so long is cause everyone in here is wrong about optane.
if youre so damn smart build ur own pc
arctic lotus
these are A tier tho afaik
desert mist
Sometimes they get parts at a cheaper price and other various reasons later on
Or they make a slight change In parts
arctic lotus
yeah which is dumb cause a different evaluation from cultist will literally have a future rendition as being worse than its predecessor
steel sapphire
oh right im blocked bc i have a different opinion than u
desert mist
Cheaper parts normally equates to a cheaper, less reliable part
lusty tiger
i still dont understand why manufacturers re release psus and make them cheaper
That’s like when nvidia released the “super” gpus. As they continue to manufacture them, they get better at making them, so they can be faster/higher performance
arctic lotus
true but its also cheaper and it doesnt always mean its better
desert mist
It normally never means better
Unless the same product becomes substantially cheaper because of various stuff like the economy etc
arctic lotus
its basically just a cheaper version
desert mist
you would rather have it look like this?
Tbh the only way this looks okay is with custom PSU cables
arctic lotus
that's why i dont trust the brand new psus that arent reviewed by the tier list even if it is the same product like the dark power pro 13
or if its not on pcpp because its so new
topaz solstice
i probably wont have a shroud on my case
a lot of cases, the shroud isn't removable you know, and it makes it look a lot cleaner in the process
topaz solstice
but it's speculative, so it could be really good or it could be mid
at the moment considering the oem for it, it looks to be quite good though a little more overpriced
topaz solstice
i will be getting custom cables
if you went for an evga/corsair you can use their own premium cables, others you would need to look on cablemod and go for the premium sleeved cables
topaz solstice
plus my psu would be rgb
never get rgb on a psu, it's super wasted and always hidden
topaz solstice
i would literally prefer this without a shroud and a visible white psu or someth...
not a great case tbh, would increase the heat of components inside it, and on top of that will not be able to fit the gpu you'd want it
topaz solstice
the main reason it too so long is cause everyone in here is wrong about optane.
nope, we weren't wrong, something that's designed more for cache use does not not make it good for use as a boot drive
crisp rune
rauko
topaz solstice
does that mean 120mm = 1 fan
240 = 2 fans
360 = 3 fans
yes for all these
topaz solstice
E tier is just igpu levels bad, but worse cause it has little review information...
eh, E's are way worser tbh, but D's are for igpu builds, any build budget or not it's wise to look at a tier C psu or better
topaz solstice
i still dont understand why manufacturers re release psus and make them cheaper
parts change, still same quality regardless, and RMe's are basically an upgraded and improved upon CX-f
desert mist
that's why i dont trust the brand new psus that arent reviewed by the tier list ...
EVGA Supernova G2 1300w 😎
I got a used one for $60
topaz solstice
on the motherboard form factor
no 🤣
crisp rune
but... that kind of decides everything else?
topaz solstice
corsair only but works on all RM/RMx/RMe/AXi/HXi/AX/HX
some parts of it works with gen3 corsair psu's
unreal zenith
She should get either Corsair psu or be quiet dark power 13
topaz solstice
if she wants ease with custom cables, corsair
desert mist
Facts
topaz solstice
if she wants semi-ease then it's evga
desert mist
Either have major reliability on at least 95% of their PSUs as well
Pour EVGA PGM series 🥲
topaz solstice
Pour EVGA PGM series 🥲
mixing lines up
topaz solstice
P-GM = gigabyte not evga @desert mist
crisp rune
so you have, space limitations and what components are compatible
topaz solstice
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supply-Individually-Sleeved-100-CR-1050-B9/dp/B019WAQMUU example of evga's custom cables without going on to using cable mod instead
though tbf, the corsair's sleeved cables makes it just so much easier especially if you ever have to change the psu out
unlike evga's where it's super limited to a set of single specific models, i.e p2 1000w, corsair's cover several models and lines, it also makes it way easier due to using a single pinout setup instead of 3+ on each line
so she can have the white cables as she wants them
hollow orchid
But I’m not going to argue about esthetics. If you want to remove the shroud on ...
i don’t understand why rgb psus exist
who tf is looking at their pc that much lmao
topaz solstice
and if the psu ever needs to go for a higher wattage later on, you can just swap out the psu without touching the cables and redo all the cable management
topaz solstice
who tf is looking at their pc that much lmao
hardly any
topaz solstice
i don’t understand why rgb psus exist
so that some people can taste the rainbow when most rgb psu's kill the pc
hollow orchid
lmao
topaz solstice
and afaik, there's only been one decent psu that's been RGB
hollow orchid
it’s funny when people care more about looks then the quality of the hardware
topaz solstice
which was the corsair CX-f line
pale tulip
and thermalsomething grand rgb
topaz solstice
and thermalsomething grand rgb
that came way after, also it's thermaltake
though they have one in the "smart" line that's tier E/F
topaz solstice
not so smart now huh
there's only 1 or 2 psu's in the 'smart' line that's touchable otherwise nah, never touch that line
topaz solstice
i’ve heard that seasonic was the most reliable
hah, no, they have some doozies
hollow orchid
damn
topaz solstice
they even had a tripping issues on the focus's for a while so you have to check the serial/ model number of the psu
hollow orchid
i have a psu that has 2 pci e power connectors on one cable and it’s annoying to plug in
topaz solstice
basically many of the focus gm models that are released from 2022 and before tripped if it saw a 3080/3080ti/3090/3090ti/6800xt/6900xt
hollow orchid
damn
topaz solstice
and some other brands got that issue because they used modified versions of said focus lines
seasonic is the best way to overpay for a midrange psu
even on the higher wattage models
hollow orchid
what’s the best brand then
topaz solstice
i mean, who'd want to pay $200 for a 650w seasonic psu when you could get the same wattage psu from the likes of corsair for $80 or so
topaz solstice
what’s the best brand then
none
hollow orchid
ah
hollow orchid
i mean, who'd want to pay $200 for a 650w seasonic psu when you could get the sa...
200$ for 650w is a ridiculous price
topaz solstice
200$ for 650w is a ridiculous price
it' an example, but at the same time, it shows how seasonic will overcharge, and tbh they suck at low wattages
pale tulip
seasonic b12 the goat
topaz solstice
which for psu's is basically anything under 850w in seasonic's case
lusty tiger
basically all "reputable" psu companies have F tier psus
hollow orchid
zalman makes psus?
topaz solstice
zalman makes psus?
they make cases, coolers and psu's
their cases look basic but are pretty ok for budget builds
how to kill a pc in all colours of the rainbow
hollow orchid
their cases look basic but are pretty ok for budget builds
zalman t7?
topaz solstice
basically all "reputable" psu companies have F tier psus
either it's the n1 or w1 which caught fire the moment it gets turnt on with any load if i remeber correctly
topaz solstice
zalman t7?
a few others as well
pale tulip
literally every case looks basic except for those aliexpress looking ones
pale tulip
how to kill a pc in all colours of the rainbow
hey
when it died it didnt take any components with it
topaz solstice
literally every case looks basic except for those aliexpress looking ones
nah, jonsbo/inwin/cougar/azza all have unique cases
topaz solstice
when it died it didnt take any components with it
luckily
pale tulip
luckily
i still believe it might have been the cable and not the psu
i dont feel like electrocuting myself with a paper clip to try though
topaz solstice
tbf i wouldn't either
though for the previous psu's i've ever had, always gets stripped for parts
pale tulip
i still believe it might have been the cable and not the psu
but i tell myself that it was the psu so i can sleep better at night
topaz solstice
one ended up being used in the making of the mic i now have
pale tulip
though for the previous psu's i've ever had, always gets stripped for parts
wtf do u get from them
topaz solstice
wtf do u get from them
fet's, transitors, diodes, resistors, capacitors
pale tulip
one ended up being used in the making of the mic i now have
from that one youtube video about making cheap microphones?
topaz solstice
from that one youtube video about making cheap microphones?
yup, it had the 3000uf capacitors i needed
pale tulip
nice
topaz solstice
yeah, though tbh it's not for everyone to go out and do, unless they've learnt to use a soldering iron and build some projects way way way before
arctic lotus
okay, so i want to decide form factor, cause picking a psu and a mobo is hard, but i literally won't know what i want if i don't learn about cases
so we are gonna start cases today and tonight
im making the database now,
hollow orchid
i don’t see how picking a psu is hard
arctic lotus
we can do cases in here and i will continue with psus at the same time
lusty tiger
if youre doing itx, youll need an sfx psu and an itx case
arctic lotus
theres a lot more to cases than i thought, but are there any recommendations
arctic lotus
well lets start with regular cases
arctic lotus
i dont remember doing cases, but what all is there
can they affect performance at all
lusty tiger
most itx cases are great with airflow as they have mesh on nearly all, if not all, sides
lusty tiger
type must be the cases form factor
yeah, usually
arctic lotus
lusty tiger
um
arctic lotus
case form factors are strange as hell to me still
lusty tiger
theyre not really very standard
here's some examples of atx form factors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uaT3kXEKxg&pp=ygUdamF5enR3b2NlbnRzIGNhc2UgZm9ybSBmYWN0b3I%3D
regardless, you'll want to look at ITX desktop and ITX tower and nowhere else
lusty tiger
youre buying an itx motherboard
so buying anything larger than an itx case is stupid
stop considering stupid options
lusty tiger
ok, well decide on form factor now
arctic lotus
right now we will figure out the difference between each and every one of these
and then choose one
lusty tiger
mobo hasnt been selected
then what was that link you sent about the "best motherboard" with only 1 on it
hollow orchid
god damn make up your mind lmao
arctic lotus
then what was that link you sent about the "best motherboard" with only 1 on it
there isnt only one on it lmao
lusty tiger
there was when you sent it to me
arctic lotus
i havent touched that database in a long time
crisp rune
right now we will figure out the difference between each and every one of these
Its not that hard to decide on a form factor...
arctic lotus
you probably accidentally turned on a filter or something. idk what you did. but that's not my problem at all
lusty tiger
full, mid, and mini tower are just larger/smaller depending on what it was
lusty tiger
you probably accidentally turned on a filter or something. idk what you did. but...
i literally just clicked the link
arctic lotus
yeah well oh well
how can a atx mini tower be atx
there is not in between atx and matx lol
crisp rune
🤦
lusty tiger
im also pretty sure you said you found the best motherboard
hollow orchid
🤦
arctic lotus
no i havent
lusty tiger
there is not in between atx and matx lol
its just the space around the motherboard tray
arctic lotus
mobo is not selected
lusty tiger
whether above or below
lusty tiger
so a full tower would have lots of space around the motherboard, while mini would have almost no space
arctic lotus
its just the space around the motherboard tray
wdym
crisp rune
you are getting blocked for being unhelpful. dont comment here.
"Gulp" sorry maam
arctic lotus
so a full tower would have lots of space around the motherboard, while mini woul...
so atx full and atx mini still do atx mobo?
hollow orchid
"Gulp" sorry maam
currently shivering in my knees
lusty tiger
so atx full and atx mini still do atx mobo?
yes
arctic lotus
okay what about "desktop"
lusty tiger
can you stop
crisp rune
Lmao
arctic lotus
cause that's not full, mid, or mini
hollow orchid
yeah you might wanna chill
crisp rune
Can I ask one serious question?
lusty tiger
if youre asking if its a troll, dont