building my 1st pc

[topaz solstice]

not without going for a 6kw inverter tbh

[lusty tiger]

When I chose the dark power 13, I just started a the top, saw “atx 3.0” and went through that list until I found a good one,

the dark power 13 fit the bill well because it’s 1kW (so not super overkill, has the 12vHiPWR plug, titanium efficiency (which was chosen when she wanted van life the first time), and is A tier on the psu tier list

[arctic lotus]

so we've had 12vhpwr apart since atx 1.0?

[lusty tiger]

What?

[arctic lotus]

only original atx before atx 1.0 didnt

[topaz solstice]

no, 12vhpwr didn't exist til atx 3.0

[arctic lotus]

i thought atx 2.0 had it

[lusty tiger]

Was only 6 and 8 pin prior

[arctic lotus]

wasnt it said earlier that 2.0 had it

also, atx 1.0 is called atx12v 1.0

[lusty tiger]

And cableless (all power through pcie slot

[lusty tiger]

Not afaik

There’s a reason we didn’t have it until 30 series and 40 series (which necessitated the plug in the first place)

[topaz solstice]

no, and you're kinda twisting what i said

[lusty tiger]

not kinda, are

[arctic lotus]

so why is the specification called atx12v 1.0 then

[topaz solstice]

because very first iteration of that specific specification most likely

[kind bane]

7k messages Jesus

What happened here

This is a warzone

[arctic lotus]

ig im just confused on the 12v part

[lusty tiger]

refer to the pin. if youre not going to help, dont message

[arctic lotus]

for ram, im for sure going 48GB btw

the plan is to get it to 6000 MT/s

[kind bane]

Hater

[arctic lotus]

cl30

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7qP8TW/corsair-vengeance-rgb-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6600-cl32-memory-cmh96gx5m2b6600c32

im thinking maybe something like this

[lusty tiger]

you mean 96

[arctic lotus]

96GB total

[lusty tiger]

what??

[arctic lotus]

the reason is because 48GB modules should have hynix M die

[lusty tiger]

iirc, theyre micron

[arctic lotus]

what is?

[steel sapphire]

we gonna manufacture our own chips at this point?

[kind bane]

$380 FOR RAM???

What on earth

[lusty tiger]

the 24/48GB modules are micron

[kind bane]

Holy smokes

[arctic lotus]

if you arent going to help just leave

[lusty tiger]

bro, theyre 48GB sticks.

[arctic lotus]

no im p sure it guarantees hynix M ICs

[kind bane]

But what if I have the same problem as you?

[arctic lotus]

and that is?

[kind bane]

Uh

[lusty tiger]

ultimatum still stands. either contribute meaningfully, or dont message. idc if you watch, just dont message

[steel sapphire]

nuh uh

[lusty tiger]

same for you ngl

[steel sapphire]

nope nuh uh

[kind bane]

Real 💯

[lusty tiger]

im going to report you both if you dont stop

this is only making the thread longer, the exact thing that youre "complaining" about, chase

[steel sapphire]

:3

[arctic lotus]

i dont think this is true, but the vengence might be

[lusty tiger]

regardless, youre getting that corsair kit. fine, idc. what about psu? dark power 13? (its so good)

[solar gulch]

saltyyyy

[arctic lotus]

i thought earlier you crossed it off meaning you didnt like it no more

[lusty tiger]

no, that was just because i recommended it so many times. its kinda like im saying it without actually saying it....confusing lol

[lusty tiger]

who?

[solar gulch]

yall

[lusty tiger]

im tired of trolls here (idfc what you say, no one has actual proof this is a troll thread)

or people who just complain about how long its taking or how many messages there are

[solar gulch]

ok

[kind bane]

Btw I did not mean to super react with cod points 😭

And you can’t remove on mobile

[solar gulch]

lmfao

[lusty tiger]

you cant?

[kind bane]

Nah

[lusty tiger]

ohhh that one

wow

[kind bane]

it looks wrong

Ik

[lusty tiger]

thats garbage

[arctic lotus]

i can't believe anyone even remotely thinks im trolling

[arctic lotus]

would you have paid $190 in 2019 for ram?

[lusty tiger]

moving on, i wanna power through some components here. you have the ram. i could have something to say, but its all already been said. psu, honestly get the dark power 13 (or the corsair 1600i if you must)

[arctic lotus]

for psu, im going to look into some gold and platinum psus

for ram, im just looking into not going corsair cause maybe corsair loves micron lol

i love the way corsair looks, but tbh, i really want that M die

[lusty tiger]

both of these units are titanium efficency (which i think would be better for van life because of the lower from-the-wall power draw

[arctic lotus]

but what if a platinum or gold psu has the A+ rating too

maybe those should be options as well

[lusty tiger]

but the thing is, why look elsewhere when the pretty much best options are right here

my best advice i can give you is get the dark power 13 (its cheaper and not as stupidly overkill)

[arctic lotus]

i agree, but idk it was recommended to me

[lusty tiger]

what was

[arctic lotus]

maybe for potential higher wattage

considering gold or plat psus too

[lusty tiger]

pretty sure there are a lot more titanium than gold efficency psus at the higher end

[lusty tiger]

what you dont understand is that there's no reason to "consider other options" bc the two basically best options are right here, [Dark Power 13, ax1600i]

[arctic lotus]

should i look into anything below 1200w?

[lusty tiger]

The dark power 13 1000w

Seriously, save yourself a week of research and use that one

You’ll be wonderfully pleased with it

[sharp harness]

If you want something with more oomph get the pro ver

more expensive btw

[lusty tiger]

The dark power 13 is cheaper than some 850w models :0

[sharp harness]

I wish that was the case for where I live, at least the PQ1000M was decently priced here.

[kind bane]

You probably wouldn’t need 1000w tho

[sharp harness]

???

[lusty tiger]

The few psus I did check that were 850w were more expensive

And since this is an overkill rig (no one can argue with that), it’s gonna be at least 1 kW

[sharp harness]

Would save power usage since you want to target 80% also they are going to be using this in a van iirc.

[lusty tiger]

Yeah, so titanium is actually a really good thing

[kind bane]

Brother, that psu costs the same as a mid range build

[sharp harness]

In canada

[lusty tiger]

But yeah, no less than 1kW for this build

[lusty tiger]

In the us, it does not at all

[kind bane]

What is the budget?

[lusty tiger]

There isn’t really one, but it’ll probably be like $7k

[lusty tiger]

Yeah, and midranged is around $1k imo

[kind bane]

Damn

[sharp harness]

post says 7k but idk if plans have changed

[kind bane]

More like $900 imo

[lusty tiger]

“Around”

[kind bane]

Yeah

[lusty tiger]

The budget is really unlimited, dream just put that there so ppl would stop asking

[kind bane]

My build is just below $900 and I think it’s pretty good for new parts

[lusty tiger]

But anyway, $300 is not the cost of a midranged pc

[kind bane]

I was looking at the $700

I didn’t know it was Canadian

[lusty tiger]

Makes sense

[kind bane]

Do you have the current parts list?

[sharp harness]

makes sense

[sharp harness]

Yeah its kind of stupidly priced here.

[lusty tiger]

7950x3d
4090 liquid suprim
96GB vengeance rgb
Optane p1600x (boot)
Crucial t700 (x2)

[solar gulch]

oh god not the optane

[kind bane]

Optane p1600x?

[solar gulch]

yeah

[kind bane]

Tf is an optane

[lusty tiger]

Intel drive, look it up

[solar gulch]

an enterprise ssd or some shit idfk amynore

not really good idea unless you got money to throw around

[kind bane]

Which they have apparently

[lusty tiger]

Still not a good idea, because you should throw your money at something more useful, like the stock market

[solar gulch]

no throw money at csgo cases

[kind bane]

No case yet?

[lusty tiger]

I said useful

[solar gulch]

or cs2 at least

[lusty tiger]

Nah

[solar gulch]

like delia

[arctic lotus]

so 1000w models are okay too?

[kind bane]

I got one

Hold up

[lusty tiger]

Yes

No Less tho imo

[arctic lotus]

whats my bare minimum

oh okay perfect

so no lower than 1000

[lusty tiger]

850, but I’d really say 1kW

[kind bane]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HybCmG/azza-pyramid-l-atx-mid-tower-case-csaz-804l

Best case

[arctic lotus]

is there any downsides of going lower?

[lusty tiger]

For breathing room, and this is overkill galor

[arctic lotus]

i mean it's certainly cool lol

[lusty tiger]

Leave now

You’re trolling

[kind bane]

Mb

I have an actual case tho

[arctic lotus]

isnt my parts like 650w max

is the extra 200w for a total of 850w just for the required headroom

[kind bane]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FzVmP6/bitfenix-nova-mesh-se-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-bfc-nse-300-wwgkw-rp

[lusty tiger]

That’s why 850w is the minimum, but 1kW is better

[arctic lotus]

so that means anything above 850w is just bonus then?

any downsides of going 850w instead of 1000w?

[kind bane]

@arctic lotus how do you like this case?

[lusty tiger]

Yeah, extra breathing room and higher quality components

[arctic lotus]

tbh, i dont understand mesh

[lusty tiger]

Nothing other than transients possibly tripping the protection (tho I think it’s fixed for the most part)

[kind bane]

I just think it’s a cool case

[lusty tiger]

Wdym

[arctic lotus]

what are transients

[lusty tiger]

When the gpu pulls like twice its wattage for a few microseconds

And if the psu cuts in too quickly, it can turn off your system for protection

Which can be really bad

[lusty tiger]

Why not

[arctic lotus]

oh but thats been fixed

is it only that one psu or is it like a thing

which part did they fix to resolve the issue basically

[kind bane]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2MwmP6/montech-air-903-max-atx-mid-tower-case-air-903-max-b

[lusty tiger]

A lot of high quality psus would trip too soon

[lusty tiger]

They delayed the protection circuitry

[arctic lotus]

oh okay, so people fixed their psus

[lusty tiger]

People?

If you mean the manufacturers, yes

[arctic lotus]

yeah

[kind bane]

How do you like this one?

[lusty tiger]

That’s a great case. However, case design is a big personal preference

[arctic lotus]

does it come with these rgb fans

[kind bane]

Yes

But you can always get different fans

[lusty tiger]

Yep, as well as fan and rgb controllers

[arctic lotus]

maybe, idk black cases look cheap to me tbh

[lusty tiger]

I assure you they’re not. But as i said, it’s a personal preference

[kind bane]

I love the look to it

[lusty tiger]

If it existed when I built my pc, I’d probably have saved like $50 on the case and fans

[kind bane]

I’m using it for my build

[sharp harness]

Are we talking about cases now?

[kind bane]

It’s under $900USD and on AM5

[kind bane]

I think?

[lusty tiger]

Chase asked about it and then linked his fav

[lusty tiger]

Please, just get the dark power 13 :D

[kind bane]

@arctic lotus what color would you like the case?

[arctic lotus]

pink

[kind bane]

I got a few good options for pink lol

[arctic lotus]

okay good

[kind bane]

So what’s the form factor?

[lusty tiger]

Hold off for now, we’re still on psus. I wanna finish with them

[kind bane]

Alright

[arctic lotus]

if you want, just spam my dms with cases you like

i will look at every single one

i will find the message request

[lusty tiger]

@arctic lotus what’s your psu choice?

[kind bane]

Why is it built like this

[lusty tiger]

Niche af

[arctic lotus]

looks awesome

[kind bane]

It looks like a spaceship 💀

[lusty tiger]

Rip dust filters

[arctic lotus]

LOVE this one

[kind bane]

For the love of god get a basic case 🙏

[arctic lotus]

if i was held at gun point rn to choose one. im literally choosing this one. what

[kind bane]

You’re gonna have to install fans tho

And a Rgb controller (if they’re rgb)

[arctic lotus]

i mean okay, that means nothing to me

idk what any of that means tbh

[lusty tiger]

Bro

[arctic lotus]

like how does it not have fans lmao

[lusty tiger]

Also you haven’t answered my question. What psu are you getting

[arctic lotus]

and what is a rgb controller

https://ambiguous-hen-8da.notion.site/d44c68c38421425da42914e09e931a3a?v=238f83d2951743d0b40b45f95b900231&pvs=4

[lusty tiger]

A hub for your rgb

[arctic lotus]

here is where you can track my progress

it's basically live

[lusty tiger]

Seriously just get the dark power 13

[arctic lotus]

its on the list

but yeah most likely not going the dark power 13

[lusty tiger]

Cross off all higher than 1600 right now

[arctic lotus]

lmao

why

[lusty tiger]

There’s literally no point

And it will only make it worse

[arctic lotus]

is there any downsides to going higher??

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[arctic lotus]

like?

[lusty tiger]

Needing a bigger inverter for your van

[arctic lotus]

not doing a van

[lusty tiger]

Vehicle

[arctic lotus]

no i mean not doing vanlife

[lusty tiger]

Oh

[arctic lotus]

Needing a bigger inverter for your van

[kind bane]

There’s a van?

[lusty tiger]

Still will trip most 120v 15a breakers

[arctic lotus]

any other downsides

[kind bane]

When was there a van involved

[arctic lotus]

what is a 120v 15a breaker

[lusty tiger]

Obsessively expensive

[kind bane]

You live in a van?

[arctic lotus]

okay,

[lusty tiger]

120 volt 15 Amp breaker

[arctic lotus]

any other downsides

[lusty tiger]

Holy shit

Complete waste of money, and will pop 15A breakers

[kind bane]

I don’t think they understand electricity

[arctic lotus]

what is the A

is that amps

[lusty tiger]

What the fuck why

[arctic lotus]

i thought amps was I

[lusty tiger]

YES

A is the more used abbreviation

Afaik

[arctic lotus]

maybe I is for formulas only

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[arctic lotus]

okay so what does 15 amps even mean lol

[lusty tiger]

Bruh

It can supply 15 amps at 120v

Are you really that dense

[arctic lotus]

i only know watts and volts

ik what amps are

but idk what 15 amps are

[sharp harness]

Use a wattage calculator if you don’t know how to do the math for this it will make your life easier

[lusty tiger]

Amps, 15 of them.what the fuck

[arctic lotus]

so like

[sharp harness]

https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Amp_to_Watt_Calculator.html

[arctic lotus]

15 amps is like more electricity in the cord

2 amps would be less

[lusty tiger]

Yes

However many amps it can supply is the amount of current available in the circuit

[arctic lotus]

so things can have amps and volts at the same time?

[lusty tiger]

More amps, more power. Less amps, less power

[arctic lotus]

ik things can have watts and volts at the same time

[lusty tiger]

Power (watts) = amps x volts

[sharp harness]

Amps x volts = watts

[arctic lotus]

amps are like magma, watts are like lava

[lusty tiger]

No

What in the fuck

[kind bane]

Magma fruit

[sharp harness]

[kind bane]

From one piece

[arctic lotus]

lmao how?

[lusty tiger]

Watts is power

I seriously don’t know how to explain this

You just need context

But it doesn’t fucking matter anyway

[arctic lotus]

im not asking you to explain

im asking for you to explain how im wrong lmao

[lusty tiger]

Just get the fucking dark power 13 please

[sharp harness]

You dont need a degree in electrical engineering to build a computer just use a calculator

[lusty tiger]

That’s an ass analogy

[arctic lotus]

idk how

so that doesnt help me

[lusty tiger]

Unless it somehow makes sense in your weird brain

[arctic lotus]

makes perfect sense to me

[kind bane]

Amps

Is like

Elements

Water

Fire

Earth

Air

[lusty tiger]

Use one message dawg

[kind bane]

That’s lame tho

[lusty tiger]

You’re not helping

[arctic lotus]

the thing with magma and lava is they are kind of the same. but magma is lava that is inside of the earth that hasnt come out yet.

and lava is magma that has come out of the volcano

[lusty tiger]

But how the fuck does that compare to amps

And watts

[arctic lotus]

amps is the electricity in the current. watts is the power coming out

its all electricity, but the amps are the power inside

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[arctic lotus]

watts are the power shooting out ig lmao

[kind bane]

[lusty tiger]

Drop the “shooting out” lmao

[kind bane]

Ong

[lusty tiger]

My last advice before I go to bed:
Dark power 13 for the psu. It will lot disappoint.

Gn yall

[kind bane]

Gn pookie

Ima stop you there

This is a tech server 😭

@arctic lotus did you see the cases I sent you in dms?

[arctic lotus]

yes

[lusty tiger]

I’m not pookie wtf

[kind bane]

I’m joking 😭

[lusty tiger]

Smh

[sharp harness]

Oh, we are sharing cases? In that case I recommend the Fractal Design Pop Air XL

[kind bane]

YO

THE XBOX 360

Is that the 360e?

It’s not

[sharp harness]

You can get it in white and if you care about hot swapping your hard drives or having a dvd drive for movies you already have there are 2 5.25” external bays

Removable cover so it does t look like ass

[arctic lotus]

if you do share cases, i just need the link otherwise i will never find them

[sharp harness]

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/pop/pop-xl-air/rgb-black-tg-clear/

comes in white too

Do you want a link for where to purchase it?

[arctic lotus]

pcpp links work best

[sharp harness]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gcrtKp

WTF its super cheap in the states

no fair

i bought mine for 150$ CAD

wow my internet cut out

[arctic lotus]

oh yeah only $100

[sharp harness]

nvm CAD is just ass rn

Any ways this case was really easy to build in and had all of the features I wanted so im pretty happy with it.

Even has an ARGB controller.

I use a case button to change my rgb and have the rest turned off in bios since rgb software is a ram hog. (Not necessary, just a habit from when I had 8gb in my old rig as to not waste any...)

[arctic lotus]

my cpu and gpu will have 600w tdp

and one issue with going over 1200w psu is efficiency decrease

it falls off harder the closer you get to 1200w

but you always want your psu wattage to be double the system requirements

so far, all ik is that my system requires minimum 600w

the 7950x3d is 120w and the suprim liquid x is 480w

so actually, im p sure, 1000w is off limits to me

but not horrible

[lusty tiger]

80+ titanium is like 90% on the whole efficiency curve tho

*at least 90%

[arctic lotus]

that's true, titanium is flatter. so that means lower power loads are better than usual. so like 0-50% is better, than that of like plat or gold etc.

but they all drop off p hard after 50-60% ish

tit less so tho cause its flatter

but still thats one reason to not go 2000w

and thats another reason to not go 1000w

1000w will fall off harder than 1400w tho

[sharp harness]

🗿 get a dark power pro 12 1200 watt then

[arctic lotus]

what im saying, is

i probably will not identify psus that are lower than 1200w

im gonna stick to 1200w+

plus the extra headroom is still good for transients

i might not go 2000w tho for the same reasons, but those reasons are weaker there.

2000w is mostly just about money.

idk why 2000w means 13 amps tho

if volts and amps and watts are all apart of the same formula then all psus should have watts amps and volts

not just 2 of them

another downside of 2000w is length

i want it to be as small as possible and its honestly not worth it

cause most 2000w psus are 200mm

[sharp harness]

im not an electrician but im pretty sure you can assume the voltage to be 120 volts for obvious reasons.

[arctic lotus]

i have identified all the plat psus 1250+

i am working on gold, i wont bother with silver

[sharp harness]

Most houses in NA have 120/240 volt running through them.

[lusty tiger]

It’s 120 for normal outlets

[arctic lotus]

so 120 OR 240v AC?

[sharp harness]

Yes and for workshops and what not you can expect 240 in at least some outlets.

[arctic lotus]

im gonna be real with you

here in the states, none of us know, and none of care. they might as well all be 120v

its not even a thing people think about

[sharp harness]

yeah but assume 120v AC

[arctic lotus]

okayy

so why does that matter tho

[lusty tiger]

No, spec it so your power usage a little less than 80% of the capacity of the psu for optimal efficiency

And later upgrade breathing room

[arctic lotus]

it's 50%

not 80%

[sharp harness]

You are wrong

[lusty tiger]

80%

[sharp harness]

The 80+ certification is for 80% power utilization.

[arctic lotus]

that's not the same thing

ive also seen charts and people also say it's 50-60%

80+ white is just for 80% efficiency at the 3 loads or whatever

tit adds a 4th load to the specification at 10% cause it can actually do lower well

cause psus struggle with big loads and small loads

so there is a bell curve.

[lusty tiger]

And the bell curve is basically flat at the high end

[arctic lotus]

its flat at the beginning of the line

not the end

and its only flatter if you go titanium

not for gold

[lusty tiger]

And since you’re not doing van life, it doesn’t matter near as much. Get the 1000w dark power 13 please,

[lusty tiger]

And that’s what I’m talking about

[sharp harness]

I looked around and it looks like you were right

just get a dark power 13 pro or smth if you want to stay inbetween 50-60%

[arctic lotus]

all of these are gold psus

the white line is the regular rating of the gold specification

so basically plat and titanium follow suit, but the psu itself depending on it's wattage will make the line flatter

[lusty tiger]

I give up. You’re not listening to reason

[arctic lotus]

still remains to be a steep drop off after reaching anything more than 50% load

which will be reached earlier with a lower wattage psu

600w tdp doesnt mean it actually draws 600w either 24 7 and because it's not 100% efficiency it actually has to pull more than 600w to supply 600w. because a % of it is lost to the lack of efficiency in forms of heat

[sharp harness]

just keep in mind you wont be using your systems 100% possible power draw all the time and that would only happen in synthetic loads so 1000-1200 would be best.

[arctic lotus]

so lower efficiency psus are also hotter on average

which is another reason to not go gold or plat

[arctic lotus]

that's literally what i just got done talking about

but 1000w is not what i would recommend to someone who has money for a luxury psu

[sharp harness]

Yeah but you were saying this earlier

you dont want more than 1200

[arctic lotus]

itll work but im not looking for something that would work

yeah im still saying that

im not going to do more research and identify more psus below 1200w

no

its a waste of time to probably even look at 1000w as options

600w *2 = 1200w.

the specification would argue that 1000w is as efficient as 1400w.
but the psu itself depending on it's wattage in tangent to it's efficiency will improve it's efficiency.

so 1000w is worse than 1400w for a system like this, not to mention the additional power draw from the lack in efficiency
not to mention oc and xoc desire.
not to mention future proof desire. if i ever upgrade my cpu or gpu in the future, what if i dont get lucky with a cpu that is as low wattage as the 7950x3d. or what if the trend with power hungry gpus continues? like sure the next system would be able to supply me, but im gonna probably lose out on efficiency that i had before if i optimize now. 1000w doesnt optimize for now and it doesnt optimize for the future.

1200w is a much better choice for right now.

[sharp harness]

then you would probably want something like thishttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/yhHdsL

[arctic lotus]

ive already identified this one on my list

however, this is unlikely to be a purchase because it is not tiered on the tier list

so it would be a risky buy

like sure dark power has good stuff

but not everything is A+

the dark power pro 12 1200w or 1500w are something i would buy

[solar gulch]

could someone help me #1159366894499934208

[sharp harness]

not for sale anymore

[arctic lotus]

well there are plenty of other options

i would rather go the ax1600i which creeper recommended as well

[sharp harness]

Also good choice but a bit excessive.

[solar gulch]

pls

[arctic lotus]

i will say the efficiency curve is only a minor influence as it is + or - 3%

[arctic lotus]

thats liike the whole point of this build mostly

[sharp harness]

true

[topaz solstice]

it's actually not a waste of time, the waste of time was looking for a psu over 1200w

[topaz solstice]

as psu's get more and more efficient you only need to use lower wattages for the psu, and as for the setup you want 1200w is the ideal psu wattage

[topaz solstice]

the biggest load a psu always has is the transient spike from a gpu

[naive robin]

It does not

Especially considering the fact that Hynix M die is a 16Gbit IC, meaning you'll find it only in 2x16 or 2x32GB kits

[arctic lotus]

im p sure it's 24Gbit IC

[naive robin]

It really isn't

It's a 16Gbit IC

[arctic lotus]

im p sure all of the 16Gbit ICs are a mixture of both micron and hynix

etc

im p sure most 24Gbit ICs are hynix M.

so like 24 or 48GB ram isnt a 100% of it being hynix M, but it can definitely increase your odds imo

along with looking at the timings

so i will probably just get whatever 2x48GB kit that has relatively tight timings

and then hopefully get M die, and if i dont i will just return it

[naive robin]

You won't get an M die kit if it isn't 2x16GB or 2x32GB

[arctic lotus]

so i probably wont get a specific 6000 cl30 kit, i am probably just going to get whatever kit that is as close to 7000 as possible

[naive robin]

16Gbit M die and 16Gbit A die are the good overclockers

[arctic lotus]

im pretty sure this is wrong

[naive robin]

There may be a 24 Gbit M die but that's not the same as 16Gbit M die

16 Gbit M die is the good overclocker
Little information is out about 24Gbit ICs since they're so new

[naive robin]

Why as close to 7000?

[arctic lotus]

yeah they are new

[arctic lotus]

ig it probably doesnt matter actually.

[naive robin]

They are categorised differently
16Gbit M die is a good overclocker
24Gbit M die, no one knows about

If it even exists

Might still be A die

[arctic lotus]

but im just saying the kit i get will be 6400 or 6800 etc

and then first time boot it will post anyway.

and then after that, i will tune it down to 6000

or not tune it down but when expo comes up in the bio, i will just set it to 6000.

maybe i will try seeing if i can push 6400, but tbh i doubt 6400 will even give more perf since, just cause you can post and do things at 6400, it doesnt mean it will be optimized which is probably what everyone means by stable and that ultimately effects performance to be just kind of worse than every other option.

even if 24Gbit hynix M isnt 16Gbit hynix M, it's still hynix and it will probably be M. i guess i just can't imagine hynix changing the way they name things but ig it wouldnt be the first dirty trick a manufacturer has done. but also even if its new and information isnt out yet. i have already seen some benched for 24Gbit IC rams and they seem to do well.

it makes me think, what is the point of ram benchmarks if they really only compare the base timings when they can all be tuned to something else.

[naive robin]

That's not how that works

"m die" is just a reference to the revision

[arctic lotus]

ik they are different M dies if thats what you mean, but im saying that doesnt mean it's worse.

[topaz solstice]

just get a kit that does 6000 cl30-32

[topaz solstice]

it can

there is different levels of binning per die

but still, just straight up get a 6000 cl30-32 kit of ram

[naive robin]

Yes that is what I mean, and yes it could entirely be worse

[arctic lotus]

i doubt it

[topaz solstice]

the ram i use, uses micron rev.e dies, they OC well, but on a corsair kit using the same dies may not OC as well or be as stable

[arctic lotus]

what is rev.e

are you using corsair

[topaz solstice]

micron dies (ic's) used in a bunch of ram brands

[topaz solstice]

no, crucial ballistix's

[naive robin]

What grounds can you stand on to make this statement when you have no experience with use of these sticks?

[arctic lotus]

its hynix lmao

[topaz solstice]

definitely not on the ones i use

and if you're on about the A/M dies, you don't have the realworld experience to say or know which is going to be better

[naive robin]

Just remember also
The fact that 16Gbit M die overclocks well is not because it's designed for overclocking
People bought it and tested it and found that it happened to be great for overclocking
Hynix's only goal is to make a RAM IC that can hit JEDEC timings

It is just happenstance that it's kinda good at overclocking too

[eager yoke]

How long is this thread

[runic bloom]

7531 sentences if you could read

[naive robin]

As long as it'll be (this is their 4th thread on the subject)

[pale tulip]

isnt it it the 5th

[naive robin]

Idk I stopped counting after 1

[pale tulip]

or did she correct it

[eager yoke]

I wish i had a pc with ddr4

[naive robin]

What a weird wish

[hollow orchid]

i still have a ddr3 pc lmao

[eager yoke]

I got pc with ddr2

[hollow orchid]

nice

[eager yoke]

And some with some ram with tcl of 2.5

[lusty tiger]

Nah 4th

[lusty tiger]

So what’s your psu choice

[topaz solstice]

4th one

[unreal zenith]

dream just go with the dark power 13.

your not going to regret it, it’s literally the best choice for what you’re doing

[pale tulip]

fr

[lusty tiger]

More than 1200w is useless

[steel sapphire]

and you still argue shes not a troll lmao

[lusty tiger]

i almost died there. she said "ik what amps are, but idk what 15 amps are"

thats like saying i know what cups are, but idk what 16 cups are🤦

[steel sapphire]

mf skipped learning how to count

this is exactly why i dont take this thread seriously

its just memeing at this point

[lusty tiger]

she's just trying to learn way too much

[steel sapphire]

yeah its like trying to teach someone whos just got their learners permit to race in F1

[sturdy anchor]

[lusty tiger]

more like someone who just got their permit trying to go to F1 in a month and asking for guidence

[sturdy anchor]

[steel sapphire]

actually yeah thats a better analogy

[lusty tiger]

because i dont want to explain all this useless shit to her. she's the one that wont stop asking

[steel sapphire]

honestly at this point id just only tell her what she needs to know and just ignore the other stuff

[lusty tiger]

the psu was honestly the worst part of this, with ram very close. I immediately found the dark power 13, which is basically the best psu for her needs. she still wanted to "consider other options"

also wanted a 2050w psu (even though it would pop most home circuits)

[steel sapphire]

💀

[lusty tiger]

i honestly would not be opposed to a 1600i, but thats still spending more than double the price for no reason

[topaz solstice]

definitely, would 1.2kw is basically the max most american mains circuits do unless specifically wired up for a cooker or hob

part of why i prefer british mains tbh, can do 4kw on a socket

[pale tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ccGjar4Es&ab_channel=Psychostick

[steel sapphire]

yeah ill be interested to see if the standard gets updated in the future as we use more electricity

[topaz solstice]

american mains could do 240v tbh but it does mean redoing the whole circuitry

instead of spliting it into 2x 120v

[steel sapphire]

would probably also mean a new plug standard since people are stupid

[topaz solstice]

well you got nema 15

[steel sapphire]

idk what that is

[topaz solstice]

but you could always copy our plugs and the safety we have on our sockets

nema 15

[steel sapphire]

safety? we dont need safety

that would restrict our FREEDOMS bald eagle noise

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[topaz solstice]

it would prevent kids electricuting themselves when jamming knives in sockets

[steel sapphire]

oh that one

natural selection

[topaz solstice]

also, it involves the ground/earth pin being slightly longer

[steel sapphire]

/s

[topaz solstice]

as the earth/ground is a key into unlocking the plate that prevents the live + neutral from being exposed

[steel sapphire]

im pretty sure it already is

[topaz solstice]

it is but your live and neutral are instantly exposed all the time alowing for an easy short and electrical fire

[steel sapphire]

thats upside down

[topaz solstice]

uk plugs

we contain a fuse in the plug itself

[steel sapphire]

some of our plugs have that as well

rare tho

[topaz solstice]

our sockets

you can't get access without pressing in the earth first

[steel sapphire]

interesting

that wouldnt work for us tho bc a lot of our plugs arent grounded

[topaz solstice]

plus most houses here have a ground fault circuit breaker

which if anything gets grounded via a short it kills the power quicker than the person realises

[steel sapphire]

we have those in kitchens and bathrooms and outdoors

not all outlets have them tho

[topaz solstice]

we just use 1 next to the main fuse afaik

[steel sapphire]

fun fact like 80% of the outlets in my house are just straight up ungrounded

also rockin knob and tube wiring

only the new addition has modern wiring

[topaz solstice]

how our sockets be wired up

[steel sapphire]

pretty similar to ours

[topaz solstice]

how our plugs are wired

depending on use the cable itself is rated for 5-15amp while the fuse is 1-13amp

[steel sapphire]

interesting

[topaz solstice]

1 single standard rather that 5+

[steel sapphire]

do you have to update old wiring on old houses if there isnt a major renovation?

[topaz solstice]

it's wise to do so

but if the house is around 10-20 years old, most cases afaik you can get away with just an inspection

[steel sapphire]

me with a 100+ year old house with the original wiring

we dont need to update the wiring unless we open up the walls for renovations

[topaz solstice]

our walls are brick so that would have issues doing that tbh

[steel sapphire]

so nobody ever bothered to bring it up to code

ours are plaster

[topaz solstice]

yeah, all stud walls for yours

most of ours are all brick with plaster spread over, with only a few walls being stud, unless its a major new build afaik

our old fuse boxes still in some houses that are over 40 years old

[steel sapphire]

i believe we have to update our fuse boxes to be up to code tho so we dont have old ones

[topaz solstice]

in modern builds and those who's had it rewired to bring it up to spec

[steel sapphire]

thats way different from ours

[topaz solstice]

240v system, not split into 2x 120v

[topaz solstice]

the rcd's split it up into 2 circuits but it's still all 240v

in yours it's split into 2 circuits of 120v

[steel sapphire]

yeah

weird concept but it works ig

[topaz solstice]

personally i'd rather deal with 12/24v systems any day

much simpler to deal with

solar-> charger -> battery,
battery -> inverter -> fuse box -> mains circuits

[arctic lotus]

i corrected it

[topaz solstice]

you can put a fuse/circuit breaker inline between the battery and inverter

[pale tulip]

aanyway

yeah as idk who said, the dark power 13 might be nice

[arctic lotus]

all i know about amps is that it's the current inside the rails or any other context.

[topaz solstice]

basics of a solar setup

[pale tulip]

the pro might be a bit too pricy

[arctic lotus]

i dont know what the difference between 1 amp and 15 amps are.

[lusty tiger]

It’s not, this build is testament to that

[steel sapphire]

15 is more than 1

[arctic lotus]

ik 15 amps is a bigger number and it means more electricity maybe

[lusty tiger]

It’s 15 times the current of 1 amp

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[arctic lotus]

but yeah i mean thats all ik

[steel sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852

[topaz solstice]

it's the difference between 120w and 1800w

[arctic lotus]

are you saying that all amps have a wattage equivalent

[pale tulip]

you can do the math on that

[topaz solstice]

volts X amps = watts

[pale tulip]

more amps = more watts

[arctic lotus]

ik the formula is a thing

[pale tulip]

more volts = more watts

[lusty tiger]

Same with more amps

But the more amps, the bigger the wire needs to be

[arctic lotus]

so any of them can be converted into each other?

[naive robin]

Yes

[topaz solstice]

yes and i done the quick maths based on 120v

[naive robin]

Provided you know two of the three, you can convert between any of them

[arctic lotus]

its just weird to me because of how i learned volts

[pale tulip]

psus take in 120v?

[lusty tiger]

120-240 iirc

[topaz solstice]

110/120v in america for mains

[pale tulip]

damn

[steel sapphire]

or whatever your regions standard is

[naive robin]

Provided you know a little bit of algebra, you can convert between power, voltage, current and resistance provided you know any two of them lol

[pale tulip]

oh wait yeah makes sense mb

[arctic lotus]

ik you can solve for volts and it would be watt / amps

[pale tulip]

yeah, math

[steel sapphire]

ok cool then

[pale tulip]

cool story

[arctic lotus]

but like, describing everything in volts is weird

[steel sapphire]

lets move on

[topaz solstice]

yes, so if a 12v rail does a max of 15amps, it does 180w

[arctic lotus]

also you can figure it out, unless you know at least 2 of them

[topaz solstice]

and it's all labelled on the psu

[steel sapphire]

have we decided on a psu

[naive robin]

No

And we wont unless she gets answers for her questions that are currently being formulated

[topaz solstice]

better chances of me winning the lottery

[naive robin]

This is going to be slow, deal with it

[arctic lotus]

no what

[topaz solstice]

you've not decided on the exact psu and mobo

[steel sapphire]

wait

we havent even chosen a motherboard

[arctic lotus]

oh well it honestly just takes me a long time to decide and idk how to make that better tbh. maybe if it was dirt cheap or maybe if i didnt put this on a pinnacle my whole life.

[naive robin]

The only components set in stone are the 7950X3D and RTX 4090

[topaz solstice]

last i know of, been discussed not decided on fully

[arctic lotus]

right now, i am identifying good quality gold psus

im already basically done with plat

but i didnt do 1200w for plat yet

[topaz solstice]

all those that are tier A psu's

[lusty tiger]

I believe also 96GB of vengance rgb for ram

[steel sapphire]

theres no reason for you to buy gold psus with your budget

[topaz solstice]

not fully

[steel sapphire]

just get a plat or titanium

[naive robin]

Do you need to identify what PSUs are good for which efficiency tier when you aren't going to consider 90% of them?

[steel sapphire]

betger efficiency

[arctic lotus]

it was gskill, i think i will have to go the trident neo just cause there might be a better chance of getting M die.

[topaz solstice]

never buy based on efficiency tbh

[lusty tiger]

But you don’t need too. The dark power 13 will be perfect for your uses. If you must, get the ax1600i

[arctic lotus]

so far all of them are in consideration

but i can go in and cross off some now

[topaz solstice]

you only need to decide on 1 from the tier A's

[pale tulip]

tbh, the dark power might be better to have than an ax1600i

[steel sapphire]

im not saying buy the most efficient just get one thats highly rated and very efficient

[arctic lotus]

https://ambiguous-hen-8da.notion.site/d44c68c38421425da42914e09e931a3a?v=238f83d2951743d0b40b45f95b900231&pvs=4

[topaz solstice]

considering the age of AXi's eh definitely a better choice

[pale tulip]

+native 12vhpwr!

[arctic lotus]

so you would go axi

[pale tulip]

no

[topaz solstice]

totally not needed, corsair's proven that

[pale tulip]

he said the opposite

[arctic lotus]

oh okay

[topaz solstice]

totally opposite

[arctic lotus]

cause axi is so old

[pale tulip]

i mean like, theyre realistically the same, might as well not mess with adapters

[topaz solstice]

dp13 = newer, AXi = 6+ years old

[arctic lotus]

what does +native mean

[pale tulip]

the + means nothing

[topaz solstice]

pcie 5.0/12vhpwr connector on it

[pale tulip]

i just meant you dont need an adapter

[topaz solstice]

so for the psu, it's native to the design

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[steel sapphire]

only thing the 1600i has going for it atp is wattage

[lusty tiger]

Yeah, which dream doesn’t need. But if she refuses to get the 1000w because of its wattage, that’s the other “option”

[topaz solstice]

super simplified setup for van

[steel sapphire]

very true

[lusty tiger]

And a dedicated circuit for her gaming pc :|

[steel sapphire]

i thought she said she wasnt gonna do the van thing

[lusty tiger]

Told me she dropped van life again

[topaz solstice]

only if it's not viable for the pc she wants

[steel sapphire]

wait what

thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard

choosing where you live based on your pc

[lusty tiger]

Its basically not viable with the 4090 anyway imo

[lusty tiger]

True

[arctic lotus]

well i never picked it back up, but these sources are great.

[lusty tiger]

so are you or aren't you doing van life

[arctic lotus]

#1153136851431989259 message

[steel sapphire]

💀

[arctic lotus]

it should be a tertiary thought. not a primary.

[lusty tiger]

that is one of the worst decisions you have made in this "journey"

[pale tulip]

valid af

[steel sapphire]

honestly

[arctic lotus]

cause realistically, i wont know for sure until about a year from now

[steel sapphire]

this is a tech server not a house channel

[lusty tiger]

what. the. fuck.

[steel sapphire]

lets just focus on the computer

if the computer is actually a thing and not an elaborate troll

[arctic lotus]

which is why obviously, i said lets stop focusing on vanlife. but its good to keep in mind. for me to keep in mind. not you guys really. but yeah 240v from an inverter seems perfectly fine for me

idk how it couldnt handle 600w system

[topaz solstice]

substitute the 240v as 120v instead

[arctic lotus]

yeah

[lusty tiger]

its not always 600w

[arctic lotus]

exactly

[steel sapphire]

forget the inverter its not relevant

[arctic lotus]

usually less

[topaz solstice]

it is if she wants a pc in a van eventually

[lusty tiger]

and if you get a kW psu, it needs to be capable of like 1.1kW

but yes, lets focus on the pc

[steel sapphire]

and the van isnt our problem

[lusty tiger]

dream, please pick your psu

[arctic lotus]

why are we saying kW. wouldnt it be easier to just say watts

[topaz solstice]

preferably a 1.2kw psu max

[steel sapphire]

its her problem for later

[topaz solstice]

because 1000w = 1kw

[pale tulip]

life would be easier if we used log instead of lg but here we are

[topaz solstice]

pretty standard

[arctic lotus]

yeah but like why can the inverter only handle 1200w

[lusty tiger]

saying 1000w is the same as saying a kW, just with less characters

[steel sapphire]

we arent talking abt the inverter

[lusty tiger]

probably because higher power ones need more power behind them and cost a lot more

[topaz solstice]

because continuous/sustained load

[topaz solstice]

$2k+

[arctic lotus]

so 1200w is the most i can do? lol

i highly doubt that

[topaz solstice]

and that's for one with a 94-96% efficiency to it

[steel sapphire]

literally forget about the van and the inverter

[topaz solstice]

you also have to realise what else will be on the circuit attached to the inverter

[steel sapphire]

were only talking about the psu

[lusty tiger]

with more, you would begin to approach the OG budget of 20k

[pale tulip]

lock the power of the 4090 to 200w

[topaz solstice]

but yeah, pc, first

[lusty tiger]

yes yes, back to the pc

[steel sapphire]

and as she said, the van isnt a worry for now

[arctic lotus]

i didnt even know you could do this.

[steel sapphire]

moving on

[topaz solstice]

he said about it way earlier

[steel sapphire]

psu

focus

[arctic lotus]

im asking why, like what is the inverter specs. are you saying 120v can only do 1200w?

[lusty tiger]

the specs are whatever you want

[steel sapphire]

stop talking about the inverter

[lusty tiger]

they probably exist from like 12v to 500v or something

[topaz solstice]

no, there are 3kw+ inverters that do 120v mains

[steel sapphire]

the inverter and the van dont matter, as you said

[arctic lotus]

oh so the sky is the limit then

[steel sapphire]

yea

[lusty tiger]

almost

but back to the pc now.........

[steel sapphire]

for our purposes yes

[topaz solstice]

10kw is the limit for an inverter, and that's around $8k

[arctic lotus]

so i just need an inverter that has more wattage than the psu?

[lusty tiger]

and.....

[topaz solstice]

double it

[lusty tiger]

can we stop talking about inverters and the van now though

dream, please pick your psu

[steel sapphire]

actually though

[topaz solstice]

i was earlier tbf

[lusty tiger]

yes, dream brought it back :|

[topaz solstice]

linked that pic so she can understand the setup for way later as a reference

also why i said 12/24v systems are so much easier

[lusty tiger]

must I say it again? dream, pick your psu please

[topaz solstice]

but yeah, 1.2kw is all you'd need for psu wattage

[lusty tiger]

Best Option: Be Quiet! Dark Power 13 1kW
:D

[wintry sonnet]

or corsair's version of that that beats it electrically even though it's 5 years old

lol

[lusty tiger]

which one is that?

@wintry sonnet

[wintry sonnet]

let me grab it

hx1000i

[wintry sonnet]

that should be it but i had it written down somewhere so let me verify

dont get me wrong: DP13 is a MONSTER of a PSU and is amazin

But overpriced

[lusty tiger]

the dark power 13 also has a native 12vhpwr plug, which is a huge nice-to-have

[wintry sonnet]

True, but you won't see that part anyways... why bother for $200

[lusty tiger]

its not even more expensive than that hx1000i, at least in the US

which is where dream is located

maybe by like $30

[wintry sonnet]

it's not wait wtf

hold up i thought it was $200 more

am i just stupid

[arctic lotus]

ive heard bad things about thermaltake

[wintry sonnet]

OH LOL

yeah get the dark power 13 1kw

[lusty tiger]

just their low end. they have A tier psus

[arctic lotus]

i hear they copy another company

[lusty tiger]

1000w sfx psu, for example

[lusty tiger]

cant speak to that

[arctic lotus]

thats okay

[pale tulip]

uhhhhh
i doubt they copy

[lusty tiger]

but anyway, the dark power 13 is what you need

[naive robin]

That is extremely old news

Like 2016-2018 era news

[arctic lotus]

which company

[lusty tiger]

does it even matter?

[wintry sonnet]

i am biased for companies and i know it

[arctic lotus]

wait i thought ac was the one inside the wall outlets

[lusty tiger]

….yeah?

[lusty tiger]

Hehe, look at my bio

[wintry sonnet]

ok

[pale tulip]

the embodiment of the nerd emoji

[lusty tiger]

Wdym

[pale tulip]

🤓

[lusty tiger]

Oh. Yes I am a nerd

[arctic lotus]

now all its missing is harry potter

[pale tulip]

isnt that more geek

[arctic lotus]

oh but, a van wouldnt be ac, it would be dc first. so the inverter is need to convert the dc into ac? and then ac is needed to convert back into dc?

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[arctic lotus]

oh the charge controller would be very helpful. is it a large device?

and the inverter isnt even the battery

[lusty tiger]

No

[arctic lotus]

how does the pc use ac power

does the psu convert it to dc

[lusty tiger]

Yep

120-240v AC input, 3.3, 5, and 12v DC output

[arctic lotus]

do i plug into the battery or the inverter

[lusty tiger]

The inverter

Batteries are dc, the inverter switches dc to ac

[arctic lotus]

oh i see

so its solar panels into the battery first not the inverter. the inverter makes it ready to use

[lusty tiger]

Yes

Most “household” appliances use 120v ac, requiring an inverter

[arctic lotus]

and i need an inverter that can power the pc along with anything else that i want to power

[topaz solstice]

@arctic lotus

[arctic lotus]

thanks i didnt see this, but i do know the charger is in between the solar and battery

for regulation

here are some 4kW options

[topaz solstice]

pure sinewave is the kind you want,

[lusty tiger]

Is that peak or sustained

[topaz solstice]

those are peak wattages

i would suggest to go with victron

pricier but more efficient a system

[arctic lotus]

here are 5000w inverters

[lusty tiger]

Except the one that’s not 5000w

[arctic lotus]

yeah not that one

[topaz solstice]

i still need to look into renogy's stuff to see what they're like

[arctic lotus]

so if i bought a 5000w inverter, and the psu needed 2000w. it would use 2000w out of the 5000w leaving the inverter with only 3000w left.

[lusty tiger]

The psu should only need 1000w

[arctic lotus]

why

oh cause it only draws what it needs

[lusty tiger]

No because a 2000w psu is dogshit

[arctic lotus]

lmao a 2000w psu still only draws what it needs

[topaz solstice]

yes but that 5kw is peak, and you're not checking what it's sustained/continuous load it can handle

[arctic lotus]

it wont be drawing 2kw

[lusty tiger]

Doubt it

[arctic lotus]

thats how psus work

[topaz solstice]

you're also not checking what protections the inverter has

[topaz solstice]

most psu's*

[arctic lotus]

how do you check

[topaz solstice]

manuals/documentation for the inverters

[lusty tiger]

But anyway, just get the dark power 13

[topaz solstice]

most cheap inverters are sold showing what only their peak load is, not their sustained/continuous load is

[lusty tiger]

Bigger numbers babyyyy

[topaz solstice]

yup

and you need to check if an inverter is a proper pure sine wave inverter

[arctic lotus]

no i meant the psus

[topaz solstice]

oh, reviews on the specific psu's in question

those that go in depth on the psu, including taking photos of it's insides

[arctic lotus]

i doubt a psu will draw more than it needs

anyway, what is the sustained load measured in

is sustained load the same thing as "continuous output"

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[lusty tiger]

The same, Watts

[topaz solstice]

yes, and watts

[arctic lotus]

so what is the peak for

[topaz solstice]

max load it can handle for a set period of time

[arctic lotus]

how long

usually

[topaz solstice]

miliseconds to seconds

[arctic lotus]

how do you check how much continuous load is required of a psu

[topaz solstice]

for a psu itself you can estimate it

[arctic lotus]

do you have examples or can you show me how to estimate it

[pale tulip]

you take the load of the components

and do some calculations

and add 50 to 100w for worst case scenario

[arctic lotus]

can you do a full example

[pale tulip]

ill just give an example of my pc

my 6700xt uses 190w
my i5 12600 like 100w max or something
everything else idk how much, lets say 50w even though that seems too much

wtf i dont have cinebench installed

pcpartpicker already gives you an estimated power usage

@topaz solstice omg i might have found the cutest case

https://j-hackcompany.com/?product=j-hack-lander#case

with a bit of jankyness you can fit a 120mm aio

[naive robin]

No, you really can't

[pale tulip]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/b/vzZZxr

[arctic lotus]

so is 290w the continuous load required

[pale tulip]

prob more

since fans and hard drive and ssd and stuff

[naive robin]

That barely counts

[pale tulip]

hey, it works

i did say a bit of jankyness

[arctic lotus]

wouldnt the continuous load be less

[naive robin]

No, why would it be?

[topaz solstice]

this is the estimated wattage for my system

[naive robin]

DDR4
14W
kek

[topaz solstice]

and i use a 650w psu for my system

[pale tulip]

wait how do u get there

nvm

[arctic lotus]

so 300w is your cpu +gpu

all the other stuff ends up bringing it to 528w

[topaz solstice]

essentially

[arctic lotus]

is that peak or continuous load tho

[lusty tiger]

continuous while gaming

[arctic lotus]

do homes and buildings have inverters. are they hidden in the walls??

[lusty tiger]

the power coming in is AC

and all the outlets are AC

[arctic lotus]

oh yeah

[lusty tiger]

there are AC converters to lower the voltage from the power lines to 120/240V

[arctic lotus]

so my continuous load of my cpu and gpu is 600w then

[lusty tiger]

no, i dont think most gpus go up to 600w, unless you overclock the balls out of them

probably closer to 400-450

[arctic lotus]

cpu+gpu

[lusty tiger]

oh

then yeah

[naive robin]

4090:

[topaz solstice]

only homes that run off-grid do, otherwise no you're getting power from the mains grid

[topaz solstice]

while on low load

cpu doing 37w, gpu doing 40w

though i've witnessed my cpu pulling 130w on it's own

[topaz solstice]

3090 will pull 500-550w with it's transient spikes, 4090 pulls 600w with transient spikes, but if the vbios was power unlocked like you can do with intel cpu's it can pull up to 900w

it's currently the only gpu that can pull that high a wattage

[lusty tiger]

spicy

[topaz solstice]

yup, for a gpu it's no joke

[lusty tiger]

and for all those 300W, you probably only get like 10% performance?

[topaz solstice]

more like 5-10%

[lusty tiger]

thats why everyone says to undervolt/lower the power of the 4090 to lower power draw which has most of the performance still available

[topaz solstice]

yup, you can halve it's power and only lose like 10%

[pale tulip]

60% power for 10% less performance

[naive robin]

And if you flash the Asus 1kW BIOS (that has no power limits) and run Furmark 2, you can actually get it to draw 1.5kW

[topaz solstice]

which translates into, "how to kill the average americans home electrics"

[lusty tiger]

unplug stove
makes non-standard 240v pc power cord fire hazard

[arctic lotus]

okay so yeah the one listed by manufacturers is peak

for pc parts

[naive robin]

No, manufacturers list average power draw ish

Then again, there's no standardised testing procedure for it

[topaz solstice]

average draw, and pcpp will only give you an estimated power draw

[arctic lotus]

480w is peak

480+ is oc

[topaz solstice]

and yet it doesn't tell you what it's like for transient spikes

[pale tulip]

thats only gaming btw