building my 1st pc

[lusty tiger]

I mean you shouldn’t need to use 2 inverters and 2 circuits

[topaz solstice]

you wouldn't for a van, though for a house it's wise

[lusty tiger]

Yeah, that’s what I mean

[steel sapphire]

bro really went and said nuh uh

[lusty tiger]

So help me if she gets a 2000w psu

[solar gulch]

[lusty tiger]

dark power 13

[unreal zenith]

Dream you gotta trust us on this one

efficiency is more important than wattage

Even the most powerful systems don’t require 2000 watts usually

get 1000-1200 or 1600 max

[arctic lotus]

the m2000 is A tier. so i might just do that. its cooler master too. the only downside is its platinum

[arctic lotus]

i was actually told the opposite but i will agree. im looking at 1600w tonight.

[arctic lotus]

i will add the dark power to the list

theres probably a 40% chance ill go the m2000 right now.

[sturdy anchor]

You should make that a 0% chance

[arctic lotus]

we will see haha

[sturdy anchor]

As many people have told you, above 1200w is unnecessary

[arctic lotus]

not from what i have googled

[lusty tiger]

Your googling is incorrect

[arctic lotus]

its not

this one is jtc

so its a trade off. and a psu is one of the best parts for investing.

[vernal jay]

Ratings say fuck all about psus

There's a thing called the psu tier list? Where psus have been tested by PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE that know what they're doing

So I'd refer to that onstead of mindlessly googling and trusting one reddit post that said their psu hasn't blown up

[arctic lotus]

so its better to shoot for around 40-50%

[vernal jay]

Oh wow you have me blocked don't you? Welp I give up

[arctic lotus]

7950x3d +4090 is about 600w tho.

so a 1600w with titanium instead of platinum might be better.

[vernal jay]

What the fuck no

[arctic lotus]

also the better the rating the flatter the bell curve is.

[vernal jay]

600w? Not including ram drives and power spikes

[arctic lotus]

which means it performs better at lower workloads

[vernal jay]

More like 7-800w total

[arctic lotus]

1200w is fine but its the lowest i will go.

tonight i will add options down to 1200w

[vernal jay]

Yeah you're talking to yourself at this point

[gentle elm]

what part are we on now?

[lusty spire]

power supply

[lusty spire]

Have you thought about going for 4000? to futureproof?

[gentle elm]

what was before psu

[lusty spire]

Or maybe even a double powersupply?

[gentle elm]

last i saw was mobo

[lusty spire]

Dream could go with a double PSU, to help with the load

[lusty spire]

storage

[gentle elm]

Oh so they ended up going back to storage

[topaz solstice]

and yet you insist on ignoring those who's built pc's advice, i can tell you for certain 1200w is the max you'll ever need, anything over that is a waste for your use case, also any psu over 1kw is alot longer than a normal atx psu, so you'll never be able to do itx, and you'd have to get cases like a 4000D AF to be able to fit it in comfortably

[topaz solstice]

shut it

[topaz solstice]

nope, mobo's was before psu

[lusty spire]

Why are you arguing, check the pins.

[lusty spire]

Its whats best for dream, stop trying to make them not have the best

[gentle elm]

Dream all you NEED is 1000 but it’s good to have more but you don’t need more

[topaz solstice]

<@&750150305383186585> trolling, adding no help to the discussion at hand

[lusty spire]

How am I trolling?

Looking at how GPU's are

itll just give them more power for the future

If you want trolling

[lusty spire]

This is trolling.

[topaz solstice]

no, no it won't at all

[lusty spire]

Adding nothing to the discussion, other than harrasing dream

[gentle elm]

Would you say a standered 4000d could fit one if you took out the hdd bays?

[lusty spire]

How would it not.

This discussion is side tracking like always, stop derailling

Keep on the topic which is PSU's

[gentle elm]

At the point we need 4000 watts if it ever happens you’ll need a all new psu

[topaz solstice]

yeah you can, for the hx1000/ax1000+ you have to remove the hdd trays no matter what

[gentle elm]

Even my rm 750 is tight in there with the bays

[topaz solstice]

but there are many cases where there isn't enough space physically to have a 1kw+ psu inside it

[gentle elm]

Yeah

Also what cases support dual psu lmao

[topaz solstice]

mATX cases got the short straw on that one

[topaz solstice]

corsair 1000d, lian li 011d's

[gentle elm]

So that makes the options small

[topaz solstice]

both are not advisable as cases for her use

[gentle elm]

I feel like a 5000d airflow would be amazing for her

[topaz solstice]

and dual psu inside a van is really a bad idea

[gentle elm]

Oh she’s in a van?

[topaz solstice]

fractionally bigger than the 4000d

[sturdy anchor]

A 1000w computer inside a van is a bad idea

[topaz solstice]

she intends to do so at some point

[topaz solstice]

stated that from the get go

[gentle elm]

Except you can get a 360 in top

[topaz solstice]

360mm to the side*

[gentle elm]

I was just thinking that

[gentle elm]

And the top

[sturdy anchor]

If I were dream I’d either get a 4070 + 7800x3d or a laptop with a 4090 and 7800x3d

[gentle elm]

I’d go 7900xt 7800x3d for mobile

[sturdy anchor]

Do they make mobile x3d cpus

[topaz solstice]

4070ti + 7800x3d/ 4070ti + 7950x3d, either would be the best combo

[topaz solstice]

not yet i believe

[sturdy anchor]

Okay

[topaz solstice]

4070ti more efficient than a 7900xt

[topaz solstice]

either of these combo's with a 850-1kw psu would be fine

[vernal jay]

Even a 4090 would work on a 850w

Wouldn't reccomend it tho

4090s can spike a lot

Like 200w over tdp

[topaz solstice]

600-750w when accounting for transient spikes, which with all other parts added to it, around 800-850w total, which makes 1-1.2kw the best wattage range for the system, any higher is a waste of money , and you can go gold rated without it's efficiency being an issue if the van has something like one of the victron inverters

[topaz solstice]

with an OC, 615w alone

[vernal jay]

The fact you're measuring in kw makes it sound like way kore wattage

[violet sparrow]

Alr someone give me an update

[topaz solstice]

any psu i've ever suggested to anyone, takes into consideration to transient spikes, eventual OC'ing later on at some point, 100w head room, if there was a 950w psu instead available, that would have been my main suggestion for the setup, but it skips both 900w and 950w straight to 1kw tbh

[topaz solstice]

mobo's been discussed about but not one has been decided on, and now she's jumping on to psu's

[vernal jay]

I got blocked

[topaz solstice]

nope, you want the psu to be using 60-80% of it's total wattage, 50% of the total power draw will not make it a more efficient setup, especially with atx 3.0

[naive robin]

7950H3D or whatever is coming soon or whatever

[topaz solstice]

@lusty tiger@desert mist what you'd see in alot of van life builds

https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-Phoenix-Inverter-3000VA-120V-EN.pdf

mainly the 24/3000

[gentle elm]

I feel like even though it could you shouldn’t because that’s for total power I feel like high powered pc parts don’t mix well with van life

[arctic lotus]

i dont think you can do 4000

2050 is the highest

[lusty spire]

You can if you do multiple Powersupplies

like in servers

2050 + 2050 = 4100

[topaz solstice]

nope, his suggestion was dumb for how you want to use it

[lusty spire]

Can you stop harrassing

[lusty spire]

Why would you get a 4070 thats trash

just get a 4090 at that point

or a 7900xtx

[topaz solstice]

say's the troll who hasn't suggested anything useful in any of the threads

[lusty spire]

dream said themself i was more useful than creeper a bit ago

so stop derailling

its not your thread

[arctic lotus]

if 180 mm etc is too big. i might not consider these options if it means excluding itx

[topaz solstice]

it excludes it indefinitely, itx you're limited to sfx/sfx-l psu's

full atx and some mid atx cases can do a long atx psu (1kw+)

mATX case are mainly standard atx psu sizes only, and some of them are tight for cables

[topaz solstice]

nope, dream did not say that at all

[lusty spire]

They did, look back a thread

Also why are you still trying toderail this

[topaz solstice]

already looked and with a better memory than you naturally

[lusty spire]

Idk if you looked, and, youre still derailling

They said I was better to deal with than with creepers attitude

and was more useful

Also geez still harrassing me?

This must be against the rules

Borderline trolling

[topaz solstice]

luckily with itx corsair has a 1kw psu in it's sfx line

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GMbRsY/corsair-sf1000l-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-sfx-power-supply-cp-9020246-na @arctic lotus

all of these are 160mm long, and at that pretty much your standard atx psu dimensions @arctic lotus

also on a side note, highest efficiency rating does not mean it's the best psu to go for, which is why we have the tier list, which has a link inside it for the spreadsheet that has unit info and lnks to reviews of the psu's

[unreal zenith]

google isnt always reliable

[steel sapphire]

reading what dream has said abt power supplies is giving me brain damage

[unreal zenith]

she is barely listening to us :/

[steel sapphire]

thats what ive been saying for like a month now

[unreal zenith]

the one creeper boy has been recommending would be the best

[steel sapphire]

clearly she knows what she wants and isnt gonna change her mind

[unreal zenith]

2000 watt psu, optane, whats next?

[steel sapphire]

titan v prolly

2 of em in sli

[lusty tiger]

Super tower case with a 480 rad

[lusty tiger]

Nah 4090 already picked

[steel sapphire]

or even better an a6000

would be funny

[lusty tiger]

No she knows not to get those

[topaz solstice]

a corsair 1000D

[steel sapphire]

yet shes dead set on optane and a 2kw psu?

and if shes in a van how tf is she even gonna power this shit

makes no sense whatsoever

[topaz solstice]

a 6kw inverter

[lusty tiger]

An a6000 is much worse than optane

[steel sapphire]

shes gonna need at least one more alternator if shes serious abt that

liable to burn the whole van down

[topaz solstice]

nope, but she'll probably need 4 batteries instead

[steel sapphire]

no theres no way she could pull that much power from a stock alternator

[topaz solstice]

you forget solar

[steel sapphire]

oh you do make a good point there

[lusty tiger]

She’ll need a big ass alternator too

[steel sapphire]

have you seen the guys with the massive subs in their cars that run like 4 alternators

its wild

[jaunty fiber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/336gt7 Pc for 1.3k are there any improvments I could make?

[topaz solstice]

make your own god damned thread and not hijack someone else's

[steel sapphire]

tbf there isnt anything going on here anyways

[lusty tiger]

lies

[topaz solstice]

https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-Quattro-II-inverter-charger-EN.pdf

@steel sapphire how you would wire it up before having the inverter inline

you don't even wire it up to the vans 12/24v system

[steel sapphire]

im a car guy not an electrician, all i know is a stock alternator wouldnt be enough on its own for this level of hardware

[topaz solstice]

depends on what you class as a stock alternator

30a, 60/70a, 140-200a

[lusty tiger]

install a stock semi alternator into a Chevrolet spark 😛

[gentle elm]

He’s not harrassing your obviously a troll

[lusty tiger]

its "technically" stock

[topaz solstice]

tbf in a transit it should have a decent 70a alternator

[steel sapphire]

id keep the cars electrical system seperate from the other stuff

[topaz solstice]

that is what you would do always in regards to this

[steel sapphire]

makes sense

[topaz solstice]

apparently an f250/350 has a 370A alternator

it's more than enough to make your toes curl with a single zap

[desert mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1081359683912208475.webp?size=48&name=bruhlmao&quality=lossless

[lusty tiger]

is dream really getting a 2000w psu

[topaz solstice]

i hope not

[lusty tiger]

i recommended the bequiet dark power 13 at the beginning of thread 3 (when i did a one-on-one with her until like 1am talking about psus) because its the best option for her needs

[desert mist]

Tbh any a tier PSU would be solid but multi rail would be my choice if I had top of the line equipment

[arctic lotus]

I will add the dp13 tonight

[topaz solstice]

tbh, multirails are nice but the performance of most single rails makes them not worth it

[arctic lotus]

What is single rail vs multirail

[lusty tiger]

please.....please....please.....just do the dark power 13. there are no other psus better

[arctic lotus]

Yknow that's not how comparison works silly

[desert mist]

Nah just for safety in the rare case one rail burns up it doesn’t destroy everything on the other

[arctic lotus]

I'm glad you really like that one tho

[desert mist]

Not really true

In the tier A list all of those PSUs are solid in general

[lusty tiger]

what are your thoughts on native 12hpwr plugs on psus

[topaz solstice]

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/4415065357069-What-you-need-to-know-about-single-rail-and-multiple-rail-PSU-safety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ_VV3UjEBY

[lusty tiger]

^for rauko, the reply removed itself

[topaz solstice]

the grey haired white dude is the legendary jonnyguru

[topaz solstice]

they're handy but it doesn't denote if the psu is atx 3.0 compatible

there's many atx 2.0 psu's with it

[lusty tiger]

ig what would mainly change it is the price. but for dream, that clearly doesnt matter (even though it fucking should)

[topaz solstice]

though if dream goes itx, then the corsair sf1000l is her best choice

[lusty tiger]

why the ever loving fuck haven't we decided that

[topaz solstice]

because she never decided on what mobo to go for

[lusty tiger]

between itx, matx, atx. should literally be the first decision

[topaz solstice]

yup

[lusty tiger]

decides your gpu size limit, psu size limit, cpu cooler limit, storage size limit.....everything size limit

[topaz solstice]

and power limits

[lusty tiger]

that too

is dream for sure back on van life?

[desert mist]

Which dp13? The 1300w one?

[topaz solstice]

not sure, but any build that's done, should have that in mind if she does back on it

[desert mist]

I like the the montech Titan gold it’s a pretty solid unit from what I’ve seen

[lusty tiger]

the 1000W one on the ATX 3.0 compatible section of the A tier of the psu tier list

[desert mist]

Little overpriced

The montech PSU is cheaper and has a higher wattage at 1200w

Tier A

I picked up a SuperNOVA G2 1300w think I’ll just use it till it dies

[lusty tiger]

i feel like for van life, she'd want a titanium efficiency psu

[desert mist]

Tbh tho the differences in efficiency are kinda negligible after gold from what I’ve seen lol

Unless she’s constant taxing the PSU

[lusty tiger]

with higher wattages, it matters more, iirc

[desert mist]

At 60% or higher

[topaz solstice]

@arctic lotushttps://youtu.be/QJ_VV3UjEBY?t=1103 take note

[topaz solstice]

not needed, it's nice to have but not needed

gold efficiency is enough, especially if something like the victron inverters i posted are used

i'll have to read through the renology stuff to see what they're like but currently it looks more like victron are the better ones to have as a solar system in a van

though, it's around $3k just for their inverter alone as a starting price

[lusty tiger]

fuck van life (unless you buy like a $1000 pc)

[topaz solstice]

i'd do the truck life instead of van life if i was going to go that way

[steel sapphire]

house life ftw

[topaz solstice]

it's fine til you have to deal with a karen, or in the case of america, HoA's that are lead by a karen/kevin(male form of a karen)

thankfully those don't exist in the uk (the HoA's)

[steel sapphire]

this is true

[arctic lotus]

vanlife is used as a catch all term even though it only has the word van in it. but like most people just do it in their car so thats really just carlife. but no one calls it that. its all just about the "nomadic lifestyle" but that doesnt work either cause that's not what everyone does. in fact most people just dont want to pay rent and would much rather just "boondock". but vanlife is just that catch all term. you can change it out for any vehicle type too. it doesnt matter. if you had a truck, you probably wouldnt go around saying you do vanlife ig lol.

[desert mist]

I have the farm life so

No Karen’s, decent internet and plenty of land to do what I want

[arctic lotus]

with trucks you can build out the back and have a "tiny home" built into the trunk bed

[desert mist]

Rv life sounds like a plan tho

[arctic lotus]

tiny homes are the same way. if you get good at what you are doing, you can "set up shop" in a lot of places, and have a lot of tiny homes that are basically free.

[desert mist]

Some of those 400-500k rvs are as big as small single wide trailers lol

[arctic lotus]

yeah i didnt even know they sold for that much.

it only costs $20,000 for the best vanlife vehicle brand new. if you dont care about space and just want to live rent free and almost gas free.

the toyota prius.

[desert mist]

Yea idk ab all that

400k would buy a damn nice house in the southern states

[arctic lotus]

it's bar none. no contest. and everyone knows it.

but you probably shouldnt buy new for 1st vanlife vehicle

also, if you want space, the prius is the worst option.

i would go the prius to save money, but im probably not going to because i want the space and luxury instead

[desert mist]

I’m a mechanic at a dodge dealer. A lot of people use the 2500 Dodge ram Transit van

They’re pretty good sized

[arctic lotus]

what i will do, is probably buy a storage unit and get a prius on top of that after

[desert mist]

Buy a truck and pull around a storage unit big brain

Would get terrible gas mileage tho

[arctic lotus]

yeah this is the best cheap van, it's the dodge ram promaster. i literally want one of those. its a dream.

but tbh im worried about dodge reliability

[desert mist]

Yea I couldn’t remember the name I rarely work on them

They really only ever have transmission problems if you take care of everything like you’re supposed to tho then that’s rare too

[arctic lotus]

this falls into "tiny homes" and is also a good option. but i dont think i want to build out and tow something like that.

[desert mist]

It’s not really that bad as long as you properly service it on time

[arctic lotus]

cause then the trunk bed isnt going to be used.

[desert mist]

Could use it for storage

[arctic lotus]

yeah but still its not for me.

im just a silly little girl lol

[desert mist]

The Promaster is pretty solid tho. Just make sure to do all the service work when it’s recommended

[arctic lotus]

might do the ford transit over the promaster

[desert mist]

We have costumers with 500k on their Promaster

[arctic lotus]

but the promaster is more square

2023 promaster only costs $50,000

you could realistically build it out for $1000

[desert mist]

If you baby it and take care of it it’ll last along time

[arctic lotus]

ive seen some get to 400k

OHHHHHH

you meant miles

[desert mist]

Our dealership has customers with 500k

[arctic lotus]

i thought this whole time you were talking money lmao

[desert mist]

Yea lol

Nah

[arctic lotus]

i was like in what universe

[desert mist]

It’s a medical equipment company that transports medical equipment to peoples houses

They do all the services on time and are just now starting to have major issues at 500k

I replaced an engine in one like 4 months ago that had 537k

At that point I think I’d have just bought a new van lol

[topaz solstice]

you mean studio flat with sky light

[arctic lotus]

i like how they look

[arctic lotus]

oh no mileage makes complete sense to me. yeah thats very cool.

[arctic lotus]

this is great and all but like

it doesnt even tell you which one is which lol

no product names or links?

[sharp harness]

????

[sharp harness]

What are you talking about?

for example these are all deepcool power supplies and the line up comes after etc

[arctic lotus]

none of the brands are listed

[sharp harness]

yes they are

[arctic lotus]

i literally can't look up any psu

its all blank lmao

[sharp harness]

before the lineup/model

[arctic lotus]

i mean

[sharp harness]

there is a giant category the encompasess all of the models

[arctic lotus]

i see this one

and this one

everything else is blank

[sharp harness]

nononono every model name next to the giant category for a single brand are the model number/name you put before the model when searching

[arctic lotus]

im looking for this

just the fucking name of the psu lmao

simple

[topaz solstice]

quite clearly it says brand, then model line, then wattage

[sharp harness]

here

[sharp harness]

for real

[sharp harness]

literally the first in the list you were looking for

[topaz solstice]

leadexs

[topaz solstice]

most straight forward and easiest way to find it

[sharp harness]

im assuming you are not using ctrl + g to try and lookup the entire name

it is literally so easy

[arctic lotus]

its literally blank

[sharp harness]

just lookup the brand

every PSU on the list from them shows up

[arctic lotus]

what?

[sharp harness]

with ctrl + g... not your browsers search engine

while in the spreadsheet

[arctic lotus]

wth

you use ctrl g? i didnt even know that was a thing. i have always used ctrl f

[sharp harness]

I'm sorry for being an ass about it since I assumed you knew what I meant the first time and were just trolling.

[arctic lotus]

so this whole fucking time, ctrl g does the same exact thing as ctrl f

why have 2 things for the same thing

are you left handed?

[sharp harness]

Yes?

[arctic lotus]

that's crazy

ive already used ctrl f in here

it doesnt help

it doesnt change the blank ones

[sharp harness]

they must've made the category smaller by accident since im pretty sure all of those above the black line are be qiuet PSU

[arctic lotus]

i have it filtered to A+ only

[sharp harness]

ah

[arctic lotus]

do you mean this black line

[sharp harness]

yes

[arctic lotus]

that's on the lineup / model

not the brand

[sharp harness]

i see

[arctic lotus]

so many of these list the model with NO brand

[sharp harness]

no im right

[arctic lotus]

idek what this is

that you are trying to show me

[sharp harness]

the very dark line seperates brands

i think it doesnt like you sorting it for some reason

[arctic lotus]

so this black line

not this one

[sharp harness]

yes

[sharp harness]

the one that goes through the entire screen

[arctic lotus]

you said yes to this one at first tho

[sharp harness]

it doesnt look like that for me

[arctic lotus]

what about down here then

[sharp harness]

i think it is broken since you sorted it instead of looking through it like normal?

[arctic lotus]

umm

no lmao

yeah turned off the filter

and its till makes no fucking sense

[sharp harness]

how?

want me to stream my screen while i tell you how to use the spreadsheet? 💀

anything right to the giant box with a brand name is a model or lineup of power supply made by that brand

[arctic lotus]

i would say yes. i would love that, but the speakers on my laptop are broken so i wouldnt be able to hear you

[sharp harness]

if the psu is a line up it will further be broken down like this

bronze and gold are both versions of that lineup

and are separate power supplies

use the legend at the top of your sceen basically

the reason it says model/lineup then model again after that is because sometimes a model will have different watt models even if it isnt a different lineup

[arctic lotus]

im just gonna give up

im sorry

i can't read this

[topaz solstice]

it's really easy to read

[arctic lotus]

not for me 🙃

[sharp harness]

so im not going crazy?

[topaz solstice]

nope

[sharp harness]

the only reason i thought it was hard was that when you try sorting shit it breaks the spreadsheet and makes it difficult to read.

but you can just use ctrl + f/g or f3 to find what you are looking for anyways

[arctic lotus]

im not looking for anything

[sharp harness]

then why do you have the spreadsheet open?

[arctic lotus]

i just want to see the highest ranked items at the top

[sharp harness]

Just look for A and get one of those

just make sure it has the wattage you need

this is how they figure out what is A tier

so you dont have to read the spreadsheet to figure what you want.

[arctic lotus]

uhhh

this is what i was trying to do

but fuck that ig lmao

[sharp harness]

any of these

[arctic lotus]

whats the difference between single rail and multi rail

[sharp harness]

iirc better OCP

not sure why

[arctic lotus]

what is ocp

[sharp harness]

over current protection

The difference between single rail and multi rail PSU is how they distribute the power across the +12V rails. A single rail PSU has one +12V rail that provides all the power to the components, while a multi rail PSU has two or more +12V rails that each have a separate current limit.

Some advantages of a single rail PSU are:

• It can be more convenient for high performance PCs, as you do not need to worry about balancing the power load across multiple rails.
• It can perform better when overclocking, as it can provide more power headroom for the components.
• It has a higher current limit before the overcurrent protection (OCP) circuit shuts down the PSU.

Some advantages of a multi rail PSU are:

• It can be safer for your connected components, as it can prevent excessive current from damaging them in case of a short circuit or a faulty component.
• It can be more efficient, as it can reduce the power loss due to resistance in the wires and connectors.
• It can be more stable, as it can reduce the voltage ripple and noise on the +12V rails.

according to bing ai

Don't make your choice based off of what i just pasted.

Also if you want a good deal rn the Deepcool PQ1000M is on sale

[arctic lotus]

whats the "best splurge" option

so single rail there is one 12v rail and multirail there is two 12v rails?

[sharp harness]

2 or more

but yeah

dark power 13 is pretty good if you want to splurge

but i would get anything in A tier really

that fits what you need

I currently use a PQ1000M since it is really good price to performance

especially if you live in Canada since it is on sale for 169.99$ CAD rn at Canadacomputers

But idk if you would want that for your build now that im looking

i would get an ATX 3.0 PSU if you plan on splurging

[arctic lotus]

none of these have links

so i have to highlight and search for these?

[sharp harness]

yes

ofc

[arctic lotus]

so damn dumb

[sharp harness]

no?

[arctic lotus]

worst fucking tier list

[sharp harness]

🗿

you are just lazzy

[arctic lotus]

okay so why are there so many dark power 13s

[arctic lotus]

not really, it should be streamlined. not half baked together. its fucking ass, and the fact that they have a discord server. give me a fucking break. are you fucking kidding me??

at least have the fucking decency to add a fucking link

jfc

[sharp harness]

the one in the middle

[sharp harness]

It's a tier list not pcpartpicker

[arctic lotus]

whay are there 5 different ones?

[sharp harness]

its a lineup

[arctic lotus]

yeah well, any other tier list ive seen isnt this incompetent

[sharp harness]

they are all different if you look

[arctic lotus]

pcpp is incompetent too.

[sharp harness]

Nobody agrees with you. This is well known to be the best tier list for Power supplies.

[arctic lotus]

how do i know which one the tier list is talking about???

[arctic lotus]

its the ONLY tier list

lmao

[sharp harness]

by reading the spreadsheet? 🤡

[arctic lotus]

yeah idk which one it is

[sharp harness]

dark power 12 or 13 at any of the listed wattages

[arctic lotus]

OK

[sharp harness]

or the dark power pro 12 at 1200 or 1500w

[arctic lotus]

then why does it say dark power 11

[sharp harness]

that is under the one i was talking about

[arctic lotus]

you said the dark power 12

[sharp harness]

also it says dark power pro 11/12

meaning either

but i would get the newer one

[arctic lotus]

it says 10 9 8 7 on that lmao

[sharp harness]

the one rated a+

at the top

[arctic lotus]

thats only the 12 NOT the 11

[sharp harness]

i have it highlighted because i thought it would be easier

[sharp harness]

yes because the 11 is an older version of the 12

[arctic lotus]

if its not A+ why is it on the A+ tier list

[arctic lotus]

fucking trash

its not even upated?

[topaz solstice]

i fucking sent a link with you mentioned for this

[arctic lotus]

sorry i was at work

i must have missed it. did you reply or @ mention me

[topaz solstice]

replied and then done an @ mention with a highly valuable video

[arctic lotus]

i found it

[arctic lotus]

is it wattage only or are there other differences between wattages

[sharp harness]

well there are 2 that are different since they are a different lineup

[sharp harness]

the top 2 are from the pro lineup

[arctic lotus]

so the pro is diffeerent than regular

is the pro better?

[sharp harness]

idk

I'd imagine so

[arctic lotus]

the dark power pro 13 isnt even on the spreadsheet

[sharp harness]

nope

[arctic lotus]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Yqqrxr/be-quiet-dark-power-13-1000-w-80-titanium-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn661

this is the one creeper wants me to get

[sharp harness]

because it is good

i have it highlighted

[arctic lotus]

so you have to build the name of the product

so its dark power + 13 OR + 12

[sharp harness]

yes

they are different power supplies

but in the same lineup

[arctic lotus]

what does lineup mean then

okay any others

[sharp harness]

for if i post another spreadsheet screenshot

[arctic lotus]

so the top one is Antec Atom G???

[sharp harness]

not how it works

[sharp harness]

the spreadsheet is in alphabetical order

[topaz solstice]

atom g there

[topaz solstice]

wattage is the difference

[arctic lotus]

is it the antec atom g or not

[sharp harness]

Also the best PSU would be one with A+ since A is the best tier and + is the best subtier

[topaz solstice]

the 'G' meaning it's a gold effciency rating

[sharp harness]

Yeah you would want a platinum rated PSU with A+

[arctic lotus]

how can something be A+ rating but be 80+ white like cmon

[sharp harness]

Also you were complaining about there being no links right?

any of the underlined ones are clickable

[arctic lotus]

yeah but not all of them

just random ass ones

[sharp harness]

I mean just look it up?

[arctic lotus]

also cant find antex atom G

[sharp harness]

why would you want that

[arctic lotus]

it says A+

[sharp harness]

You would also like a platinum PSU, yes?

[arctic lotus]

i want titanium

[sharp harness]

then def dont get that

its gold

[arctic lotus]

then how can something be A+ rating but be 80+ white

[sharp harness]

...

• means it is gold highlight

[topaz solstice]

antec*

[topaz solstice]

what you want and what you need are 2 different things

[sharp harness]

at least where i live the PQ1000M is the best bang for your buck you can get for an A tier PSU.

But it only has 3 PCI-E 8-pins

I'm assuming the 4090 needs 4 or an ATX 3.0 PSU since those have 12vhpwr already without needing an adapter.

[arctic lotus]

what is atx 3.0?

[sharp harness]

new psu standard

[arctic lotus]

why does 3 pcie pins vs 4 pcie pins matter?

what is the psu standard?

is there an atx 2.0 then?

[sharp harness]

Your GPU may only need 3 to run but warranty might require you to have 4 or it may be void since they love doing shit like that

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=704871f3ff0656deJmltdHM9MTY5NTUxMzYwMCZpZ3VpZD0yZDhiODcwOS1kYjMyLTZiOTYtMWMyOS05NDRmZGFjMjZhZTImaW5zaWQ9NTIxNg&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=2d8b8709-db32-6b96-1c29-944fdac26ae2&psq=atx+2.0+vs+3.0&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucGNndWlkZS5jb20vcHN1L2F0eC0zMC8&ntb=1

okay i didnt read what that article says but literally google it to find out

[topaz solstice]

yes. it's the older standard and what most psu's are

[arctic lotus]

so like usb 2.0 or 3.0 but like for psus

[sharp harness]

anyways just get the dark power 13 1000w

[arctic lotus]

that was a question lmao

[sharp harness]

the answer is yes

[arctic lotus]

why call it atx 2.0 or atx 3.0 then? why not just call it psu 2.0 or psu 3.0??

[sharp harness]

there is not a difference in power but in the configuration of what cables are used im pretty sure

[arctic lotus]

atx is for motherboards

[sharp harness]

no

its for both

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX

[arctic lotus]

yeah but then you could say its for cases too like

[topaz solstice]

psu first, mobo second

[topaz solstice]

because atx is a psu standard first and formost

[arctic lotus]

okay but then like, it's still just a form factor

[topaz solstice]

for mobo's yes

[sharp harness]

its a motherboard and power supply configuration specification, patented by David Dent in 1995.

[arctic lotus]

ik now that atx was used by psus first like okay i get that then

but its still a form factor

why name your standard after the form factor

[sharp harness]

Other way around. 💀

[sharp harness]

Read this.

[arctic lotus]

the only new thing i learned here is david dent 1995 lol

[sharp harness]

lol

[arctic lotus]

so antec earthwatts platinum is more up my alley

[sharp harness]

no

You would need a 1000watt psu

the one you are talking about is 750

its also not titanium like you wanted

[arctic lotus]

theres 1 diamond psu

[sharp harness]

Diamond is certified by a different place than any of the 80+ ratings

[arctic lotus]

yeah ik

but thats a different diamond from this

[topaz solstice]

don't touch

[arctic lotus]

diamond basically isnt real yet

xigmatek fusion

[sharp harness]

Just get a dark power pro 12 it has everything you want and a 10 year warranty and is A+

its fully modular

it's even 80 plus titanium

why are you even still looking

unless you dont want one of those features

If you want a cheaper alternative get a Deepcool PQ1000M

if you live in Canada or USA its on sale

both are good choices

[sharp harness]

this is only 80 plus gold btw

but its also 149.99 on newegg

[topaz solstice]

pretty much the rm1000e would be around the same price

[sharp harness]

is it?

just as good too, but i checked and its slightly more expensive rn

wont matter since prices will change by the time we get to the next part...

warranty is slightly worse at 7 years

[arctic lotus]

it's B tier

[sharp harness]

What is?

The darkpower 12 pro is A+, the PQ-M lineup is A, and the RM-e lineup is A...

[topaz solstice]

yup

[arctic lotus]

so is tier more important than efficiency?

[naive robin]

Absolutely

Of course, the tiering is an arbitrary value based on a list of criteria that the PSU either does or doesn't hit, versus the efficiency rating based on an objective value
But the efficiency rating doesn't necessarily imply the quality of the components used to make up the PSU, which is why it is better to follow the tier list and the testing methods they use

[arctic lotus]

so then wouldnt a gold highlight be better than the dark power 13

also i cant find any of these psus on pcpp

oh

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GMkWGX/silverstone-hela-2050-w-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sst-ha2050-pt

this is a tier

the m2000 is also a tier

[sharp harness]

thats weird... it shows different here for some reason

is that a different version of the spreadsheet?

[arctic lotus]

nope

[arctic lotus]

what does black text mean

blue text just means its quiet right?

[sharp harness]

what do you mean by black text?

blue

[arctic lotus]

gold just means A+

[sharp harness]

no

[arctic lotus]

A- just means low priority which is scroll down

[sharp harness]

• is a modifier in the spreadsheet meaning it is the best in its tier

[arctic lotus]

A* just means speculative which is worse than low priority.

[sharp harness]

yes

[arctic lotus]

yeah which is gold

gold text

[sharp harness]

B+ also exists though

[arctic lotus]

yeah that would just be a whole other tier

with the gold text

[sharp harness]

yeah

[arctic lotus]

gold = A+ (or B+) whatever

[sharp harness]

but if its A tier get anything with gold text that is also titanium if you don't care about cost

[arctic lotus]

etc

yeah but they dont do every psu

anyway what about black text

the ones that arent gold or blue

they can't be A+ or B+ or C+ etc

cause thats gold

[sharp harness]

I'm assuming they don't meet these criterea but are still good enough to be put in the tier

[arctic lotus]

so then what would blue be

[sharp harness]

look at the image

[arctic lotus]

cause it can't be A- or B- etc

and it can't be A* or B* etc

i already told you what blue means

[sharp harness]

read the image

[arctic lotus]

im asking what blue is

[sharp harness]

wait wrong image

oop

[arctic lotus]

so the difference between blue and black is no difference then.

blue and black would be A, B, C etc

[sharp harness]

??

no

black would mean it doesnt meet that criteria

[arctic lotus]

#1153136851431989259 message

refer to this

[sharp harness]

yes but you asked what blue meant and black is obviously different

[arctic lotus]

again, not what im asking 🙄

[arctic lotus]

no i told you what blue meant

im asking what it is

[sharp harness]

I already know what blue is

[arctic lotus]

#1153136851431989259 message

[arctic lotus]

not what i meant either lmao

i didnt mean "im teaching you"

lmao

anyway

[sharp harness]

black does not meet the criteria for GOLD or BLUE but is still good enough to be in that tier

[arctic lotus]

can you answer the real question now

[sharp harness]

i have said it multiple times

[arctic lotus]

or do you not know

[arctic lotus]

alright alright , can we stop fucking around lmao

[sharp harness]

this is what you linked me to

[arctic lotus]

all im asking is this

[sharp harness]

what is the question?

I obviously missed something.

[arctic lotus]

gold = A+
low priority = A-
speculative = A*

so then what is blue?
and then what is black?

yeah a lot

or really something small.

[sharp harness]

blue and black arent in the spreadsheet from what i can see.

[arctic lotus]

in the forest with no trees.

[arctic lotus]

so yeah you dont know either.

[arctic lotus]

alr, im just gonna guess they are both the same then like i said. they are both A in this case.

or B, C etc

[sharp harness]

Well what i do know is that PQ-M lineup is blue and is also A so you are probably right

[arctic lotus]

thats good enough for me. thanks

[sharp harness]

i just didnt get you were talking about the spreadsheet and thought you were asking what the colours meant in general lmao

mb

[arctic lotus]

ig i meant both, but i tried to clarify that i knew what the colors meant

i just wanted the spreadsheet equivalent though yeah

so are these all atx2 then

[sharp harness]

Yeah and that confused me a bit since you went back to asking the same question.

[arctic lotus]

is atx3 really that much better than atx2

or is it like usb3 vs usb2 where its like yeah its better but no one cares.

[sharp harness]

Yes, there is a ATX 3.0 spot at the top of the list

[arctic lotus]

ik i saw those

so then yeah im guessing the ones below are atx2

what about atx1?

atx 1.0

so that means black text is still just fine

[sharp harness]

pretty sure you wont find any of those since ATX 2 is basically all that is on the market

[arctic lotus]

also i heard that psus kind of build like gpu aibs.

where its just the oem, and then the psu manufacturers build the actual psu case and the fans and everything around it.

[arctic lotus]

how much better is atx3

[sharp harness]

From what I'm seeing it is just a 12hvpwr connector addition but I'm probably wrong.

[naive robin]

Correct

[sharp harness]

ah okay

so disregard the image

[naive robin]

ATX3.0 just adds the stupid highpower connector

[arctic lotus]

hv as in high volt?

A tier

ohhh

so FSP makes the oems but also has their own brand?

what does left blank mean?

the maxrevo

[topaz solstice]

it also adds extra efficiency

[topaz solstice]

several others psu manufacturers are like that as well

[arctic lotus]

okay cool so that is how it works then

[sharp harness]

I'm pretty sure i have the wrong version of the spreadsheet could i get a link?

[topaz solstice]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eL0893Ramlwk6E3s3uSvH1_juom7SMG5SCNzP2Uov8w/edit#gid=1719706335

it's on their website dude

[sharp harness]

Yeah i opened it from there but dream sees all of these as B*

heres the image i saw earlier from dream

[topaz solstice]

how i see it

[sharp harness]

Same

huh

weird

[topaz solstice]

she's using filters

[sharp harness]

that breaks the spreadsheet

[arctic lotus]

im not

how i see it

[topaz solstice]

oem's

[arctic lotus]

yeah i know that

[topaz solstice]

how i see it for the enermax ones

[arctic lotus]

so oems would be like how gpu manufacturers like nvidia or amd make the gpu, and then card manufacturers make the casing and fans and everything which is like the psu manufacturers

[arctic lotus]

okay cool so what does blank mean

[topaz solstice]

yes/no

[sharp harness]

idk? there is no legend for that

[topaz solstice]

any that's blanked out for tiering is basically tier F due to their age

[sharp harness]

i see

[topaz solstice]

clearly stated

[sharp harness]

Yeah i thought it would have F in the tier slot then

[arctic lotus]

i get it. no cause you dont like the analogy because of some technicality. yes because its kind the relationship between the manufacturers is kind of similar.

[sharp harness]

but it makes sense its not good if its blank

[topaz solstice]

some of them could be decent psu still but due to their age it drops them

[sharp harness]

I definitely wouldn't trust anything over 10 years old anyways.

[arctic lotus]

but its blank not F

[topaz solstice]

like there's some blue labelled corsair psu's that's a good 10+ years old

they're still decent units by todays standards

[arctic lotus]

heres what F looks like

[topaz solstice]

but their topology is ancient by todays standards

[topaz solstice]

for known tier F psu's but blank/'X' are old and removed from the tier list

[sharp harness]

Gigabyte really is terrible at outsourcing power supplies

[topaz solstice]

and due to that, under the statement in the tier list, a psu from 10-12 years ago is now tier F

many of which are no longer produced

[arctic lotus]

okay, that makes sense, but blank seems to mean something else. not X. because X is marked. and X means it's old.

[topaz solstice]

the dumb bit was them using a laptop power brick manufacturer for designing and producing the p-gm line

[sharp harness]

for real

[topaz solstice]

personally, if the oem isn't fsp, enermax, cwt or gw i'd suspect the psu some

[arctic lotus]

the psu some what

[sharp harness]

he would be wary of them

also isn't seasonic and superflower pretty decent at making them?

i thought they were their own OEM

[topaz solstice]

super flower is

[arctic lotus]

gw as in great wall?

[topaz solstice]

seasonic is purely overpriced

[topaz solstice]

yup

the highlighted is the psu in my nas build

a tx650m (gold)

[arctic lotus]

okay so how important is the oem then?

[sharp harness]

you are right but holy shit i cant find a single one not rated A tier besides those 2

nvm

lmao

[topaz solstice]

rm650, psu in my main pc

[arctic lotus]

cause with graphics cards. its pretty massive. 4090 vs 7900 xtx

[sharp harness]

I think i had a 750 in my old system myself.

[arctic lotus]

most are A- tho, so yeah probably overpriced.

[topaz solstice]

different components used, so different tolerances despite the specs some brands may want

[topaz solstice]

a 650w psu should never be 150+

[sharp harness]

oh yeah they are incredibly overpriced

[topaz solstice]

40-90 for around that wattage

[arctic lotus]

so the A+ in this would read as seasonic PRIME TX?

maybe include titanium 1600w too ig

[sharp harness]

yeah

[arctic lotus]

seems like a decent option

[sharp harness]

Very overpriced

[topaz solstice]

seasonic have very mediocre psu's for anything under 850w tbh, still overpriced

and tbh, certain models have tripping issues for ocp

though they should be fixed by now, you could still get one with the tripping issue

[arctic lotus]

yeah it's expensive

[arctic lotus]

ive already added it to the list tho

[topaz solstice]

because some sellers will sell old stock as if it's brand new

[sharp harness]

Almost double the cost of the Dark power pro 12 and not even better than it

[arctic lotus]

the fact stands that the prime tx is still a good psu tho

[sharp harness]

yes

[arctic lotus]

A+ 1600w, titanium reputable brand with a reputable oem.

just expensive.

[topaz solstice]

at a higher wattage sure but you can get better for much cheaper

[sharp harness]

the price is crazy

[arctic lotus]

yeah i will keep searching

its on the list to compare regardless tho

any other suggestions?

i will add them right now

[topaz solstice]

when a brand changes the oem

[arctic lotus]

so F is worse than X then right?

[topaz solstice]

the cwt version of an nzxt C is suppose to have better performance

[sharp harness]

same

just dont get either

[arctic lotus]

ill take it as a yes

so then blank is slightly better than X, but all 3 are bad

[topaz solstice]

ones clearly denoted as tier F yes

[sharp harness]

no they are just as good as each other

[topaz solstice]

blank is equal to an 'X' but it's the age of it that makes it bad

[arctic lotus]

maybe X is better. cause at least X is just old. maybe blank is just unknown and old. or just unknown

or maybe even unknown and bad lol

[sharp harness]

So what power supply are you getting?

[topaz solstice]

put it this way, a green labelled cx650m is tier F due to age
where as an orange labelled cx650m is tier C

the difference is the age of the topology

the orange one is about 5 years, the green is 10-12 years

handy thing about corsair psu's is that with certain ages, they have specific generation pinouts

i.e. typ3/ type 4/ type 5

the main different being the mobo cable itself

both of my psu's are the type 4

though tx650m is semi modular

[arctic lotus]

so ig for me

F tier = just flat out bad (not age related) "heavily malfunctioning protections, QC issues or design flaws leading to widespread malfunctions / DoAs"

X tier = old, outdated "not tiered, long out of production or limited run
Positions may be not up-to date with the tierlist article"

N tier = no info "not tiered, no info"

blank = probably just unknown or untested or something. idk why they wouldnt just put N for these. i can understand not putting F. and i can understand not putting X cause maybe it isnt old and maybe they dont know if its bad or not. but why not N.

but ig in any case, just avoid all 4

and the maxrevo is blank so.

[topaz solstice]

add in fake efficiency ratings to the tier F one

[topaz solstice]

probably an older psu

and tbh, in your specific use case, look only at tier A psu's

[topaz solstice]

because i have the tools, and also have the pinout list for type 4 corsair psu's i can actually make my own custom cables for my system

[arctic lotus]

theres already enough division within A tier too

[topaz solstice]

before atx 3.0 came out it was only devided between multi and single rail

[arctic lotus]

ohh okay

[topaz solstice]

also as a side not, the msi MPG range was downgraded from purely multirail it single rail

[arctic lotus]

is atx 3.0 worth it

[sharp harness]

Not really.

[arctic lotus]

is a gold highlight psu worth it?

[sharp harness]

yes

[topaz solstice]

because of the gpu you want to go for, yes

blue or gold highlighted are both fine

[sharp harness]

Really depends if you care about the cost imo.

[topaz solstice]

there's a few atx 3.0 psu's that are reasonably priced still tbh

the msi MEG AI1000P, corsair RM1000e

[arctic lotus]

i hear atx 3.0 doesnt really add anything special tho

[topaz solstice]

this is is due to how despite it having multirail protections it acts like a single rail psu

[sharp harness]

huh you were right

this is rated A tier btw

[arctic lotus]

yep

i have it on the list already

[sharp harness]

i only looked at the pro 12 and not this one

probably should have

[topaz solstice]

just remember, any psu that has the pcie 5.0 power connector (12vhpwr) does not automatically make them atx 3.0 compatible

[sharp harness]

still 120$ more than PQ-M which is blue but its also ATX 3.0 and gold and 80 plus titanium which seems worth it at your budget of 7000

[topaz solstice]

1200w at the same price as a 1000w

[sharp harness]

WTF that is cheap

[topaz solstice]

and like i said, it's reasonably priced for what it is

the 2 corsair psu's depending if you go itx or not

msi also

[sharp harness]

They seemed rather firm on going 80 plus titanium but these are some decent options

[topaz solstice]

offers exactly the same as the bequiet psu tbh

[sharp harness]

be quiet is ATX 3.0 and titanium

but that is a better deal

You can even get an A tier blue PSU for 149.99 rn

[arctic lotus]

msi has good psus

[arctic lotus]

okay, so how do you find out if it has atx 3.0 or atx 2.0

also what is atx 2.2

[topaz solstice]

an extension on atx 2.0

[topaz solstice]

reviews primarily

especially ones that have the psu opened up

[arctic lotus]

opened up as in. on a test bench?

so they have RGB psus too?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sdRgXL/be-quiet-dark-power-pro-12-1500-w-80-titanium-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn647

this one seems to be better than the dark power 13 in every way, however the dark power pro 13 seems to be so new that its not on the tier list. its the same price as the dark power pro 12.

the dark power pro 12 is A+ tho

it is multi/single-rail switchable

gold highlight

that seasonic is +100w but it is single rail

so is multirail better then?

[unreal zenith]

the extra 100 watts in the seasonic one is pointless, 1500 is more than enough

[topaz solstice]

you really need to read better

1200 is more than enough for your setup

[arctic lotus]

its true it is atx 3.0

but afaik, that means nothing

not a big deal

[pale tulip]

eh

[arctic lotus]

here's the comparison so far tho

https://ambiguous-hen-8da.notion.site/d44c68c38421425da42914e09e931a3a?v=238f83d2951743d0b40b45f95b900231&pvs=4

[pale tulip]

look for it to have a 12vhpwr cable

might be useful

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[topaz solstice]

i'll champion any good product tbh

[arctic lotus]

that doesnt mean it is atx 3.0

[topaz solstice]

many atx 2.0 psu's with it tbf

[pale tulip]

im just saying

that it having a 12vhpwr cable might be useful

[arctic lotus]

is 12vhpwr cable good tho?

[pale tulip]

uh

you need it for the 4090

so you dont use an adapter

[naive robin]

Do you want 4 cables hanging off your 4090 or just 1

[pale tulip]

4 cables that used to burn up a tad bit

[topaz solstice]

get rid of the seasonic's and the 1800w+ ones

[naive robin]

Other way around

[arctic lotus]

idk anything about the cables or the number of cables and the value there except. i vaguely remember each of the cables and what they are for mostly.

so like molex ik

[pale tulip]

4 cables to 1 cables that used to burn up a bit

[arctic lotus]

sata ik

[naive robin]

The PCIe cables were always fine, it's just people not plugging the adapter in properly

[arctic lotus]

ik sata is newer within last 20 years etc

blah blah

[pale tulip]

sure
buuut
van moves around, so the pc moves around
so the cable might move around

[naive robin]

Someone get a picture of the spaghetti that hangs off of the 4090 when you use the adapter

[pale tulip]

so basically
you kinda only care about gpu one

[topaz solstice]

still happens with those that plug them in correctly as well tbh, though it's a smaller number

[pale tulip]

cause every psu has enough cables for everything else

[arctic lotus]

but ive been seeing techies talk about it like as if its worth comparing the number of a certain cable port over another and i dont get that tbh

right now, im only considering wattage, efficiency and tier in my comparison

maybe length or price as last

[pale tulip]

consider a 12vhpwr

[naive robin]

You need to care not for length because your case choice dictates that

[arctic lotus]

okay i can start to add that in

[pale tulip]

if it has one its usually labeled PCIE 5 or 2023

[arctic lotus]

yeah but smaller is always better especially if all the stats are the same

[sharp harness]

i have a 4080 with this problem

[naive robin]

Not really?

Why is smaller better?

[arctic lotus]

like if they are both A+, both titanium, both 1600w or some shit. then i guess get the 175mm over the 220mm

thats how comparison works

[pale tulip]

ok but hear me out

why not 1200w

[topaz solstice]

it's the difference between these

[arctic lotus]

ill get the 175mm over the 220mm if it means spending more money

[sharp harness]

Damn, I need to dust it

[arctic lotus]

but it depends

[pale tulip]

horrid

i almost vomited

[arctic lotus]

okayy but does this matter

[topaz solstice]

nope, half of it is due to nvidia themself as they used 2 different manufacturers for the adapters alone

[naive robin]

There is
No difference
The length does not matter

[topaz solstice]

the cable quality matters

[sharp harness]

Yeah it’s making me consider getting some after market cables

[arctic lotus]

ill keep track of modular. ik i want fully modular, but honestly all of these are fully modular

[pale tulip]

making a spreadsheet of a spreadsheet is interesting

[arctic lotus]

do the cables come with

[pale tulip]

if its over $10 its modular

[pale tulip]

..yes

[sharp harness]

Ofc

[topaz solstice]

psu always comes with cables, the gpu comes with the adapter

[arctic lotus]

but if you get bad cables you can just buy cables right?

[pale tulip]

depends on the psu

[naive robin]

Getting bad cables isn't a thing

[arctic lotus]

even the fully modular ones or the semi?

[topaz solstice]

yes but it depends on what psu

[pale tulip]

every

[arctic lotus]

yeah you cant for non modular

[naive robin]

We call cables bad if we don't like how flexible they are or something

[pale tulip]

dude theyre not apple or samsung, they wont take out the essentials

[topaz solstice]

all psu's comes with cables

[arctic lotus]

okayy

[sharp harness]

LMAO

[pale tulip]

buy a phone and it doesnt come with a charger

[arctic lotus]

kind of dont get the whole pcie gen 5 psus lmao. someone told me this was marketing and i listened

[topaz solstice]

then there's me who won't touch seasonic due to using 18 gauge for the main cables and 20 gauge for the pigtails

[pale tulip]

i know that msi one means it has 12vhpwr

[arctic lotus]

ive combed through all 2000, 1800 and 1600w psus

i will go down all the way to the 1200w psus just for you guys

[topaz solstice]

yes and no, pcie 5.0 is the cable name, while it'salso known as 12vhpwr

[arctic lotus]

wait so 12vhpwr = gen 6

[topaz solstice]

you should just remove the seasonics, and the 1.8kw + ones and just choose between 1kw and 1.2kw

[arctic lotus]

like the real pcie gen 6?? or some weird psu version of pcie gen 6 lol

[topaz solstice]

gen5 pcie power cable

[arctic lotus]

so gen 5 not gen 6

[naive robin]

No

[topaz solstice]

my bad, typo's

[arctic lotus]

no worries

im on track

i didnt realize the 12vhpwr translated to pcie tho

oh wait, maybe gen 5 actually matters on a psu

[pale tulip]

anyway, already stated why its neat

[arctic lotus]

news to me

all i know is that you want me to want it lol

and that its related to atx 3.0 maybe