building my 1st pc

[lusty tiger]

so you shouldnt care about sli, nvlink, or crossfire

actually, i was wrong. the rtx 3090 has nvlink. i think sli died a while ago because of its bandwidth limitation

2GB/s for sli vs 200GB/s for nvlink

[arctic lotus]

so what if a mobo doesnt have sli / crossfire / nvlink, but it has dual x8 can it run multigpus still at all or no?

also what does this mean

[pale tulip]

marketing bs

[arctic lotus]

ik what pcie slot is lol

i also used vga for years but i also dont think this is the same vga

ik what pcie1 is

i have no idea what "15 mu gold contract" is

[pale tulip]

marketing bs

[arctic lotus]

mu = ik is usually friction in physics or micro in stuff like this

[desert mist]

@lusty tiger has a dedication like no other

[arctic lotus]

so mu s = microseconds i think

so is this saying 15 micro gold contact

idk

[pale tulip]

uhh

i think you can ignore it

[lusty tiger]

It just means it has gold in the slot for better contact

[arctic lotus]

slot only not the whole pcb right

and in this case it would be the pcie slots

is it marketing bs for real or are pcie slots with zero gold, worse

[topaz solstice]

there is usb 3 with tbt 3 built in as well, it's not just usb4

[arctic lotus]

i have not seen this at all

[lusty tiger]

There can be a difference

[pale tulip]

i think its probably minimal

[lusty tiger]

rauko will know for sure lol

[topaz solstice]

this one like sli is more deader than a dodo and really an unimportant feature to not be thought about

[lusty tiger]

Sli was dead before multi-gpu was dead because of its bandwidth limitation

[topaz solstice]

it's the pins, they're coated with 15 microns worth of gold for better conectivity

[pale tulip]

15 microns!

[topaz solstice]

there are no pcie slots that don't have gold coating, it's just lower amoutns of it

[arctic lotus]

when i searched it said micrometers

[lusty tiger]

Yeah that ^^

[topaz solstice]

micron is the correct term but that's what it means

[crimson niche]

1 micron meter = 1e-4 cm

[topaz solstice]

way smaller

[lusty tiger]

Why centimeters

[crimson niche]

Idk why not

[lusty tiger]

Because meter is the standard lol

Idk it seems weird

[crimson niche]

1e-6 M if you prefer

[topaz solstice]

it's more like 0.000001cm i believe

[topaz solstice]

essentially 100cm (1m)/ 1000000

[arctic lotus]

sounds good to me

[topaz solstice]

you can use either, but makes more sense to use microns for the measurement of the coating it has

still though it's all about it's conductivity

[arctic lotus]

so a gold plated port is slightly better than a regular port, but dont go around trying to get 25 microns of gold vs 10 microns of gold

[lusty tiger]

Exactly

[topaz solstice]

yup

[arctic lotus]

how does the gold help at all. whats the theory behind using gold

[topaz solstice]

it increases electrical conductivity

[arctic lotus]

so what if a mobo doesnt have sli / crossfire / nvlink, but it has dual x8 can it run multigpus still at all or no?

[topaz solstice]

for a pc you need all connections to be highly conductive for it all to have the best signal quality for data transfer

[topaz solstice]

it can, just it's not linked together

though it's a useless feature for the better part

[crimson niche]

Imagine 1 gpu per screen : 2 screen 2 gpu
Would be stupid

[arctic lotus]

or maybe all dual x8 mobos just happen to have sli / crossfire

[topaz solstice]

back when multi-gpu was a thing it gave minimal performance gains while maximizing heat production

[topaz solstice]

nope

[arctic lotus]

so then what if it only had sli / crossfire but it doesnt have dual x8. it should still be able to run multigpus, but just with less optimized lanes basically

[naive robin]

Mu in this case means micron
They're just stating that it's gold plated lol

[arctic lotus]

oh yeah what about the vga part

[naive robin]

Crossfire works with x4 lanes, SLI requires x8 minimum

[crimson niche]

Both are kanda usless

[arctic lotus]

ohh okay so sli wouldnt work without dual x8 then

[naive robin]

Marketing bullcrap
They're just stating that the contacts in the PCIe slots are gold plated

[topaz solstice]

and still a useless feature when a newer gpu will have better performance

[naive robin]

No current generation graphics card supports SLI or Crossfire

They are dead technologies that offer worse performance at the cost of buying a bigger PSU and second graphics card

Sure you may get higher frame rates but your frame times will be higher too, leading to massive microstuttering that makes most games unplayable

[topaz solstice]

tbh, vga = video graphics adapter, synonymous with gpu/graphics card and the old 15 pin port (usually blue coloured)

[arctic lotus]

so thats the same old vga connector

[naive robin]

No

[arctic lotus]

the one before dvi lol

oh okay good

[naive robin]

They just say VGA because of what rauko said

[arctic lotus]

oh its just saying its not ALL of the pcie slots. its only the main gpu slot

[topaz solstice]

top slot is where you normally put the gpu but it not designated as the gpu slot on any mobo

[arctic lotus]

both vga stand for the same thing tho. but in this context they use it to say the gpu slot because its the video graphics array slot ig

right so calling it the vga slot is more respectful of people who dont want to put a gpu there,, ig

[topaz solstice]

it's just a pcie x16 slot, nothing about it says "gpu only"

[arctic lotus]

yeah ik

[lusty tiger]

If, for example, you had a g series amd cpu or an intel cpu, and used the top slot for a m.2 expansion card

[arctic lotus]

but vga in this context stands for the same thing as the old ass vga connector but in this context they are referring to that top pcie slot like you said

so then if the top slot has gold plating

i thought they all have gold plating? why even mention this

[lusty tiger]

Where the fuck did vga come from

[arctic lotus]

do they not all have gold plating?

[arctic lotus]

its the wording manufacturers use

i posted a screen capture of it

original pic

[topaz solstice]

or if you wanted to do a "hybrid mode" between an apu and gpu when it comes to amd

[lusty tiger]

Where

[naive robin]

Not always

[lusty tiger]

Oh i see it

[naive robin]

Gold plating is expensive, sometimes you cut costs and get a cheaper part for the motherboard

[arctic lotus]

right

[topaz solstice]

pci/pcie are though, afaik

[arctic lotus]

so in this case the hdv probably doesnt have gold plating on the pcie2 or pcie3 slots

[naive robin]

That is such a non-issue

[lusty tiger]

Motherboard: says it has gold contacts
Me: “I’m sorry, but did I ask?”

[arctic lotus]

yeah it doesnt matter anyway.

idc about the gold plating

[lusty tiger]

So can we move on

[arctic lotus]

yes

[lusty tiger]

What are your motherboard options? You want one with 2 gen 5 m.2 slots right?

[topaz solstice]

amongst several other non-issues

[arctic lotus]

i dont have anymore questions rn, but i have to work on my own decision making process right now on my own.

im still a little confused about whether or not sli / crossfire is downloadable software or if its built into the mobo in the meantime

[lusty tiger]

Don’t ask about that bruh. It doesn’t matter

[topaz solstice]

x670e/b650e only then

[arctic lotus]

the two gen 5 slots arent mandatory

[topaz solstice]

it's so dead, i've seen dodo's more alive

[arctic lotus]

is it software tho

im not interested in multigpus

[topaz solstice]

combination of drivers and hardware

[naive robin]

SLI is a physical bridge you plug into both graphics cards
Crossfire works over the PCIe bus
NVLink uses a giant connector with a bridge between the cards

[topaz solstice]

crossfire also had a bridge for some cards afaik

[naive robin]

Oh, yeah, anything before the R9 290(X) used a bridge

Then AMD decided that doing it over the PCIe bus was cooler or whatever and ditched the bridge

[topaz solstice]

crossfire

@arctic lotus sli

nvlink

[lusty tiger]

Then why the fuck are you asking

[naive robin]

Chill just a touch

[topaz solstice]

looks like rtx 6000 ada has a link of some kind, like a mini form of nvlink

[arctic lotus]

cause this came up under the pcie section so i got to thinking

oh so if it doesnt say this does that mean multigpus just dont work on it? 🤔

[topaz solstice]

ignore the crossfire bit, and they're just trying to point out how connective the slot is

[naive robin]

The statements are unrelated, they've just been grouped because PCIe connector or whatever

[arctic lotus]

ik they are unrelated

i was just confused why it says supports amd crossfire at all

i honestly thought all amd boards supported crossfire tbh

[naive robin]

Because marketing is marketing, and anything that can be marketed will be

[arctic lotus]

cause if it is hardware, i kind of dont want crossfire on my mobo at all

[lusty tiger]

It’s not worse in any way lol

It doesn’t make the motherboard worse

[arctic lotus]

so i kind of wanted to know if its software, or if its downloadable or built in. and if it doesnt say it, if that means it doesnt have it at all

[lusty tiger]

I don’t understand why you’re trying to figure out something you don’t care about

[arctic lotus]

yeah but still something sitting on the mobo that you wont ever use.

[lusty tiger]

So?

My motherboard has sli/crossfire support I’ll never use

And I’m still happy with my motherboard

[naive robin]

Crossfire support is baked into the BIOS of the board, as is SLI support

[arctic lotus]

it seems these are the older bridges that are no longer needed

[lusty tiger]

Just like usb 4

[arctic lotus]

so you can disable it

[naive robin]

SLI and NVLink still needs a bridge

Crossfire doesn't need a bridge

[naive robin]

No

[arctic lotus]

ohh okay

[naive robin]

It is not enabled, nor is it disabled

[arctic lotus]

it doesnt seem to be downloadable either

[naive robin]

It exists and will activate if you have two cards in the board that support Crossfire

Crossfire is a BIOS and driver thing, and it only activates when you tell it to

[arctic lotus]

and i dont think i can uninstall it

[topaz solstice]

simply don't use 2 gpu's and you're fine

[arctic lotus]

ik the gpus have to support it too but i dont think the 4090 does

[lusty tiger]

It doesn’t

Because it’s bad

[naive robin]

It's like trying to get rid of support for USB 2.0 ports on your board

You simply don't

[arctic lotus]

only certain games support multigpu use too so yeah

[lusty tiger]

Like 15

[topaz solstice]

the slot/ port is removed but the connecting on the pcb is still there for it

[arctic lotus]

so if it doesnt "support crossfire" and it doesnt have dual x8. it probably wont have any muligpu support then

[crimson niche]

Ye cause they had plan to put it but they cancelled it

[naive robin]

Thing is, you'd have to try to manage to not support Crossfire

Having two PCIe x16 slots on the board, with one wired for x4, is entirely good enough for crossfire

[arctic lotus]

so what you are saying is as long as it has x16x4 or dual x8. its going to support crossfire and theres no way around it.

[naive robin]

Pretty much

[arctic lotus]

so when it says "supports crossfire" thats just redundancy and its really just about the lanes in use.

[topaz solstice]

just redundancy, not about the lanes in use

[lusty tiger]

It’s just so they can add another thing to their marketing

[topaz solstice]

it's a marketing ploy at this point

[arctic lotus]

which means you also wont ever have a dual x8 board that doesnt support crossfire

[lusty tiger]

You won’t really have a board (am5) that doesn’t support crossfire

[sturdy anchor]

Why are you talking about crossfire?

[lusty tiger]

Maybe an a620, but idk I don’t look at those

[topaz solstice]

it would have to be before 2000 tbh for it not to support sli/crosfire

and the chances of that is slim to bubkiss

[lusty tiger]

Idk, she herself said she’s not interested in multi-gpu, yet still asks questions about it

[arctic lotus]

okay so im still extremely confused by wifi, lan, ethernet, and other internet stuff on a mobo

in about the different wifi techs

like wifi 6e or whatever

idk about ekeys

ik m.2 socket just means m.2 slot

i know ekey is for wifi stuff and its not like a mkey or bkey or bmkey and so the teeth must be different

ik it still uses the same width to length sizing

but im p sure all ekeys are 2230

so really small

ik bt means bluetooth

but what is the ekey for

[naive robin]

Well you've already got the answer here

[arctic lotus]

ik its for wifi but like

what kind of wifi

[naive robin]

You put an M.2 E-keyed WiFi card in there and whatever that card supports is what you get

[arctic lotus]

and im confused because this is the hdv board, it doesnt have built in wifi. so wtf is this ekey doing here

[naive robin]

So you can have wifi..?

[arctic lotus]

so an ekey m.2 doesnt count as built in wifi then

[naive robin]

No

It is an expansion slot such that you can add in a WiFi card at a later date if you wish

[arctic lotus]

im guessing not all wifi modules / wifi cards are m.2s

why doesnt it list the pcie gen

m.2s usually list the pcie gen

like for mkeys

[naive robin]

Because you don't need more than PCIe 2.0 x4 for any WiFi connection that you'd realistically have

[arctic lotus]

so all ekeys probably have pcie 2x4 but just dont say it basically

[naive robin]

Wouldn't need more than PCIe 3.0 x1, frankly

[arctic lotus]

which is even less

[naive robin]

Considering PCIe 3.0 x1 (2.0 x2) is 1GB/s which translates to an 8Gbps network speed
Which the majority of people don't have

[arctic lotus]

since its 1 lane

can they ekey be used for anything else besides wifi

[naive robin]

No

[arctic lotus]

oh probably cause of the teeth first and foremost

how its keyed

cause a 2230 mkey wouldnt fit

[naive robin]

2230 is an irrelevant piece of information here
M-Key is not compatible with E-key, and vice versa

[arctic lotus]

ik that

all ekeys must be 2230

so what this means about the hdv is that it doesnt havee built in wifi but you can buy an ekey to put into the mobo and then it will have wifi

[lusty tiger]

Yes

also its been said that motherboards with wifi are just wifi-less motherboards with the e-key m.2 relocated to under the io shield and a wifi module connected

[arctic lotus]

can you put an ekey inside a mobo with built in wifi

[naive robin]

It already has that slot populated

[lusty tiger]

and you have to rip out the io shield

but there's no reason to because it already has wifi

[arctic lotus]

also whats the difference between ethernet and lan?

[lusty tiger]

LAN is your local area network. ethernet is the connection to your router

in this context though, theyre identical

[arctic lotus]

so ethernet is just the cable

[lusty tiger]

local being all devices inside your house (on one side of your router)

[lusty tiger]

yup

ethernet....cable

[arctic lotus]

so lan is your internet or

[lusty tiger]

WAN is your internet

wide area network. all devices beyond your house

[arctic lotus]

so lan is your shared file network?

[lusty tiger]

i mean......

shared files use your lan

[arctic lotus]

does a nas use your wan or lan

[lusty tiger]

usually lan

[lusty tiger]

what about it

[arctic lotus]

are dragon and dragon rtl8 the same thing here

[lusty tiger]

dragon is just the name of the 2.5Gb ethernet chip

[arctic lotus]

ive seen other names

does it matter

[lusty tiger]

like the infamous aquantia 10Gb ones

[arctic lotus]

or is it like the blazing m.2s and hyper m.2s

[lusty tiger]

not that i know of

[lusty tiger]

no that would be whether its Gb (10/100/1000), 2.5Gb, (10/100/1000/2500), or 10Gb (10/100/10000)

afaik, the type of nic doesnt matter

[arctic lotus]

whats nic

[topaz solstice]

or a 4g/4g lte/ 5g card on it instead

[topaz solstice]

drop the 10mb connection when it comes to both 10Gbe and 2,5Gbe

for 10 Gbe it's more like 100/1000/2500/10000

[arctic lotus]

so the ekey is most likely a 3x1

[topaz solstice]

it's equal to any gen of pcie at double x1, or basically pcie3 x2, pcie4 x2, etc

[arctic lotus]

why double the lane if it only says its x1

[topaz solstice]

because it splits it

splitting pcie x2 into 2x pcie x1

so whatever pcie gen, 2(pcie x1)

[arctic lotus]

so it's two pcie x1s not just one pcie x1 or one pcie x2

[topaz solstice]

yup

[arctic lotus]

do ekeys go through gen 2 all the way up to 5 then?

[topaz solstice]

no different than just doing pcie(gen#) x2 though

[arctic lotus]

right so functionally the same as one pcie x2

[topaz solstice]

essentially capabole of gen 1-7

[topaz solstice]

you got it

[arctic lotus]

i think i always forget about pcie gen 6 or 7

[naive robin]

Because those dont exist in consumer spaces yet

[arctic lotus]

7 just came out i think and 6 is enterprise so 7 is still enterprise too

[topaz solstice]

because they're not physically out for consumer and gen 7 is still theoretical

[naive robin]

PCIe Gen 6 is still being developed and is not in use anywhere outside a lab

[topaz solstice]

gen 7 is on paper but not in use

[arctic lotus]

but the gen speed wont ever be the bottleneck. since itll be your isp really

[naive robin]

Gen 7 has a specification written up but that's it

[topaz solstice]

wifi gen and pcie gen are totally different tbh

so don't try to compare them in that sense

but wifi 6e has the potential of reaching 10Gbe

[arctic lotus]

by wifi gen do you mean 6e etc

[topaz solstice]

yup

wasn't til wifi 5 really for wifi to match ethernet speeds when it came to 1Gb ethernet

but latency wise it's still miles behind ethernet

[arctic lotus]

oh i meant just that the pcie ekey gen speed wont be the bottleneck since isp internet speed itself wont be fast to saturate that anyway

[topaz solstice]

you can get 10+ Gigabit fibre as it is, though only up to 1Gb fibre is for home fibre

[arctic lotus]

right okay

[topaz solstice]

possible to get 10Gb fibre for home use but that takes a fair bit of dedicated connections for it

[gentle elm]

lmao

[orchid oracle]

haha

[lusty tiger]

-_-

[gentle elm]

and this is the 4th post

[lusty tiger]

so?

[arctic lotus]

oh ekey is keyed in the middle

[lusty tiger]

not quite the middle

[arctic lotus]

that's very distinct and rememberable

yeah

so im guessing with the dragon the "rtl8..." part is just the controller name

[lusty tiger]

yes

[arctic lotus]

ik 2.5 gb and 10 gb lane etc but what is the whole 10/100/1000/2500 thing

[naive robin]

Just the speed of the thingy

[solar gulch]

damn we on wifi now?

[lusty tiger]

it can do 10, 100, 1000, and 2500 mb/s

[lusty tiger]

ethernet

[solar gulch]

same thing

[lusty tiger]

not actually

[arctic lotus]

wifi ethernet lan kind of

[solar gulch]

they both do internet

[arctic lotus]

is that all just internet?

[lusty tiger]

so? thats the basically the extent of their similarities

[solar gulch]

ik

[lusty tiger]

wifi is wireless. depending on the type of wifi, and your access point, its significantly slower (for LAN connections)

ethernet controller also makes a difference for speed difference

[arctic lotus]

so that means lan is wired then

[lusty tiger]

no

wifi also connects to your LAN

[arctic lotus]

so it can't go in between these speed, it just has the notched speed?

[arctic lotus]

oh okay

[lusty tiger]

those are the most common

[arctic lotus]

are uncommon speeds bad

is it like frequency

[lusty tiger]

no

[lusty tiger]

no its speed

[arctic lotus]

okay

[lusty tiger]

basically no one makes a 250mb switch

you can barely find under 1Gb switches as it is

thats the minimum youd want to get anyway

you usually get multiples of 10 like that for switch speed

internet is all over the place, but a switch determines LAN connections

[arctic lotus]

okayy

are any of these important

[lusty tiger]

im assuimg this is for the ethernet?

[arctic lotus]

yes

[naive robin]

Not at all considering you will never touch those settings or, need to touch them

[lusty tiger]

absolutely not important. i dont know what almost any of those means, nor do i care

[arctic lotus]

i know smart auto adjust is just this

friendly UI means nothing to me but like. UI for what lmao

[lusty tiger]

idk, for adjusting all the other settings

i couldnt care less

[solar gulch]

lmfao

[main holly]

Which cooler was used in this build?

[lusty tiger]

there isnt a build here

not yet

[desert mist]

not ever

[lusty tiger]

-_-

you dont know that

[desert mist]

Fairly certain

[desert mist]

Just marketing bullshit that caters to noone just looks fancy on paper

[main holly]

Will a NZXT Kraken 240mm be enough for a 7950x3d?

[naive robin]

Yes

Now just in case, if you're preparing your own build please make your own thread

[arctic lotus]

this is like ambient bandwidth detection

do mobos come with lan software that you can open up on the desktop?

[lusty tiger]

no idea

nor do i care because 90% of people will never touch it

[arctic lotus]

touch what

[solar gulch]

this i think

[solar gulch]

or this

[lusty tiger]

never touch any lan software

[solar gulch]

theres your answer

[arctic lotus]

why

[solar gulch]

no like 90% of people never touch lan software

[lusty tiger]

why wont they touch it? because it doesnt matter and the "default" settings are fine for all of those 90% (with 90%, i think im feeling generous. probably closer to 99%)

[solar gulch]

you seem salty

🧂

[lusty tiger]

why?

[solar gulch]

idk

you just seem salty

[arctic lotus]

who is "they"

[solar gulch]

omfg

[solar gulch]

this is "they"

[arctic lotus]

[lusty tiger]

90% (more like 99%) of people will never touch lan software because the "default" settings are fine for them

[solar gulch]

what?

dense mfer

[lusty tiger]

there, i condensed all of the messages into 1

[solar gulch]

then again we all communicating pretty shitty

[arctic lotus]

[solar gulch]

this

[lusty tiger]

im not explaining it again

[solar gulch]

denseeee

[lusty tiger]

ngl i dont remember typing that 😂. obviously i did, i just thought i said like "lan software" or something like that

[solar gulch]

yeah it confused me at first

i thought you were telling her to never touch lan software

which you technically are ngl

[lusty tiger]

but this should have cleared it up lmao

[solar gulch]

yeah

[lusty tiger]

why dont i see a reply

i thought i replied

[arctic lotus]

i just dont know what lan software is

[lusty tiger]

well anyway, this

[arctic lotus]

and idk who they are

[solar gulch]

oh my god

[solar gulch]

99 percent of people you dimwit

[lusty tiger]

"they" are the other pc enthusiests, like yourself, ffs

[arctic lotus]

okay

[solar gulch]

dont use lan software such as

[arctic lotus]

so what is lan software for

[solar gulch]

this

[lusty tiger]

software for controlling lan. youre the one who brought it up

[solar gulch]

is lan software

[solar gulch]

no way?

is that like gpu software?

software that controls gpu?

[lusty tiger]

right here. why are you asking what it is? this seems to imply you know what it is

[arctic lotus]

im asking cause i dont know what it is

[solar gulch]

THEN WHY DID YOU ASK

[arctic lotus]

i didnt know lan software existed until after you replied

[solar gulch]

what is this then?

??????

[arctic lotus]

i said it like that cause i was guessing lan software existed

[solar gulch]

oh my god dude

[arctic lotus]

so i was right about that one

so it does exist

[solar gulch]

of course it would exist

[arctic lotus]

[solar gulch]

i think this chat is actually getting salty now

[arctic lotus]

im not salty

[solar gulch]

nvm

[arctic lotus]

just confused

[lusty tiger]

someone out there probably makes a motherboard with lan software

[solar gulch]

how would you configure lan or whatever?

[lusty tiger]

not that you need it

[arctic lotus]

it seems as tho they all have lan software

[lusty tiger]

idk

[arctic lotus]

so all this is just lan software stuff

[lusty tiger]

like i said i have no idea, nor do i care

i would assume everything under "supports dragon 2.5G lan software"

since it says "lan software"

😂

so yes, that motherboard has LAN software

[solar gulch]

REALLY????

[lusty tiger]

lol

ive gotten used to explaining things this much

for her dense brain

[solar gulch]

my dense brain got confused seeing a denser brain

[lusty tiger]

the only way it can happen

[solar gulch]

im not actually that dense ngl

only when it comes to stupid fucking algebra

[lusty tiger]

oh man, you should see proofs....

theyre so ass

[solar gulch]

of what

oh alg?

[lusty tiger]

gemoetric proofs

[solar gulch]

i fucking hate algebra

and geometry

[lusty tiger]

proving random piece shit 1 with random piece of shit 2 that you just proved using random piece of shit 1

[arctic lotus]

well thats why i asked

[lusty tiger]

but anyway, back to motherboards

[lusty tiger]

you shouldnt have to ask if something has lan software when it clearly says it has lan software

[solar gulch]

no way

[white leaf]

Some network cards come with both drivers (required) and extra software (not required) - in every situation I've ever experienced, the optional networking software has eventually caused more harm than it ever could hope to solve, so I (and many others) recommend leaving it off your system, unless you enjoy pulling your hair out trying to troubleshoot a network card that seems "stuck" at 100mbps speed even though the network link says 1000mbps. Thanks Killer Network Software - your QoS configuration definitely didn't corrupt itself on multiple systems I've built before. Damn piece of shit. Ahem. Anyway...

[lusty tiger]

Noted

[topaz solstice]

ethernet= lan, wifi = wlan, internet = wan, mobile internet (3g/4g/4glte/5g) = wwan

[topaz solstice]

speed
controller
all the software for it

in that order

though with it using a realtek controller there's no point using the software

well for lan there isn't

[topaz solstice]

nope, lan(ethernet) is wired, wlan(wifi) is wireless and does not connect to your lan

it would require bridging the connection

[pale tulip]

i will confirm this after i finish the course

[topaz solstice]

it's been known that way for a long while

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_area_network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_LAN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_area_network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_WAN

[pale tulip]

shhh i had to flex that im doing a networking course

[lusty tiger]

Oh really? That’s interesting

[solar gulch]

what is all this gobbledegook

[topaz solstice]

read the pin, if you're no help take a long hike

[lusty tiger]

Wait, if Wi-Fi is not LAN, how can I ssh into a raspberry pi connected through Wi-Fi

[desert mist]

Cause it shares the same local network. ie the same access point to the internet

It’s essentially the same thing as lan just uses a different form of connection. WLAN

[topaz solstice]

because when you access the network from your pc, you're going through the router, so it's wifi/lan in the pc to the router and then wifi/lan to the ras pi from the router

[desert mist]

Aka shared local area network

[topaz solstice]

yup

[lusty tiger]

Ohhhh ok, that makes sense

[desert mist]

ye

[arctic lotus]

is realtek bad or good

[crisp rune]

why yall blocekd 🤣

[topaz solstice]

eh, it's about average tbh, and the most common nic controller

[crisp rune]

why does this thread have 2k message????

[topaz solstice]

@crisp rune

[naive robin]

Because dream would like to learn about everything

[crisp rune]

ohhhh ok, makes more sense

what have we got so far?

[arctic lotus]

i just need to pick a mobo
a cpu cooler
and a psu

oh and a case

https://youtu.be/NyZWSvSj8ek?si=VhIRx9ULHnuNF9ZG

all of his videos are golden

[desert mist]

EVGA SuperNOVA series or Corsair RM series 😮‍💨

Seasonic has a lot of solid ones too I just haven’t really used them before.

[arctic lotus]

ohhh so thats what a subnet is

its a sub network

and a network is just any connection between computers

so then my question about wan is this

are there multiple wans?

i was only aware of the wan we call the internet?

does the deep / dark web count as another wan?

[sturdy anchor]

Yea, the wan show

🗿🗿

[arctic lotus]

lmao

ik now a lan is just like a building scale for companies or household scale for families

so ig with a wlan then you could connect everyone on a private network then huh

itd be like small scale tho just no ethernet

so wifi and ethernet are the connections.

so just wireless or wired

and then on a small scale thatd be wlan or lan

but if you connect to the global network internet thatd be wwan or wan.

wan would just be a wired connection to the internet

so thats why "subnet never matters" its cause for household family scale. everyone is most likely on the same subnet. especially if you live alone.

so then lan software would capable of controlling your lan settings probably and just governing people on your lan with permissions or something

so then what happened back then to combine modems and routers together?

into a gateway

ik subnets still use routers

[topaz solstice]

i'd sooner pic a revolution df over any seasonic psu tbh

[topaz solstice]

nope

[topaz solstice]

only 2, WAN and WWAN

the only difference is how it's accessed over each way

[arctic lotus]

but dont all the wireless and wired in people still access the same internet we know

[topaz solstice]

yup

[arctic lotus]

awesome. i understand

[desert mist]

Biggest reason I stick with evga and Corsair

[arctic lotus]

i wonder what it would take to create a new wan.

itd be pointless for me or people like us. but maybe china would consider their own wan or something or north korea

ig that boils down to money and satellites

[topaz solstice]

it's the internet, just different ways of accessing it

[topaz solstice]

money, sure, satellites no

20-30k tbf to become your own isp

the only person i know who's done that is no longer part of this discord i believe

[topaz solstice]

i prefer corsair myself, pinout compatibility

with the cable i use from corsair i get to use it amongst several lines they've released

[desert mist]

Meh I buy them brand new so

[topaz solstice]

i have the corsair premium sleeved start kit

means i only ever need to swap the psu itself and never have to redo cable management

so any psu upgrade i may need, i only have to install the psu without touching the cables

handy investment when it comes to psu's themselves

i also avoid adding extra points of failure/issue causing when it comes to not having to use an extension

evga you're getting similar now but it's really limited on what line and wattage for the same equivalence

[arctic lotus]

if you did that. would that count as a wan?

[desert mist]

Well tbh they last like 10+ years so

Really no point in keeping cables that long they become fragile

[topaz solstice]

yes it would, as you would be your own isp that connects to the internet, but you'll be needing to learn heavily about networking to do that

[topaz solstice]

tbf, that's dependent on several factors

[desert mist]

In general the plastic on the cables will degrade overtime

Same with the plastic on the connectors from heat cycles

[topaz solstice]

light also plays a factor into that

[lusty tiger]

Basically just don’t. It’s not worth it.

[topaz solstice]

majorly not worth it for the better part for most people

[lusty tiger]

Unless thats your business plan

[topaz solstice]

or if you want to tell an isp that's providing crap services to go do unhumanly things to themself

[lusty tiger]

That too

[solar gulch]

i love hikes fam

[lusty tiger]

Identity change anyone?

[solar gulch]

hehehehe

[arctic lotus]

here's the memory info on the hdv

ik about mem max and xmp and expo

ik most memory is non ecc

but i thought unbuffered memory was ecc?

its matx, so the mem max of 96 gb and the 2 dimm slots is normal

i also know about dimm slots

[lusty tiger]

i guess there is unbuffered ecc, and unbuffered non ecc

[arctic lotus]

oh really

okayy so here it probably means non ecc unbuffered

basically just regular memory lol

[solar gulch]

theres unbuffered both ecc, non ecc

im pretty sure at least

[lusty tiger]

id assume so, since it fucking says it in the spec list

[solar gulch]

yeah

[arctic lotus]

so then its saying that this mb supports up to 7200? how can this be if we know am5 barely supports 6400

[lusty tiger]

the cpu barely supports 6400

[solar gulch]

unbuffered is also called nonregistered

[lusty tiger]

but the motherboard can support as high speeds as the manufacturer wants

[solar gulch]

unregistered mb

[lusty tiger]

makes sense

unregistered, registered, and load-reducing

and then non-ecc

[arctic lotus]

so im guessing the mobo wouldnt overide the cpu's max ram speed then

[lusty tiger]

no lol

the memory controller on the cpu determines max memory speed

[solar gulch]

duh lmao

[arctic lotus]

so i can't do ddr5 7200 on this mobo with am5 even though the mobo supports it. the cpu wouldnt and so you have to abide by the slower speed.

[lusty tiger]

yes

[solar gulch]

cant you just oc the ram?

thats what i did with my shitty r5 1600

[arctic lotus]

well it does say +(OC)

[solar gulch]

to 3400

[lusty tiger]

the memory controller on the cpu can only do so much

[solar gulch]

yeah i cant run my ram at its speed

3600

highest it can go while still being stable is 3400

[arctic lotus]

but im guessing the mobo is just saying 7200 is possible with oc, but that still doesnt matter with the cpu not being stable past 6400

[solar gulch]

no it could prob go past

[arctic lotus]

maybe, this is a p shitty board.

[lusty tiger]

6400 is the highest without like a day of careful tuning

[solar gulch]

my 1600 max is like 2666

you can go past the max

just might be unstable

and wont do much to performance ngl

[lusty tiger]

yeah

6000 is the max you need to go for am5 anyway

[solar gulch]

pretty sure 6000 cl30 would be fine

[lusty tiger]

yeah

it should be

[solar gulch]

and you could go higher

[arctic lotus]

one last thing. ik what dual channel is. but i thought the ram determined if it was dual channel. not the mobo?

[solar gulch]

the mobo slots

ram can do single dual quad whatever

[lusty tiger]

^

[arctic lotus]

ik that

[solar gulch]

then whyd you ask?

[lusty tiger]

motherboard/cpu determines channel number

[arctic lotus]

but i thought the stick determined if it was dual channel or quad channel etc

[lusty tiger]

its not

[solar gulch]

nope

[arctic lotus]

so the mobo does determine it

[lusty tiger]

yes lol

[solar gulch]

like we just said mobo determines it

[arctic lotus]

okay cool

[solar gulch]

(and cpu)

like max ram speed on mobo and cpu kinda

[lusty tiger]

all the motheroabrs you can choose from will be dual channel

[arctic lotus]

so this is saying it has dual channel "support" then

[solar gulch]

its like the ram speed we talked about

[lusty tiger]

it means it has 2 ram channels

[solar gulch]

yeah

[lusty tiger]

the cpu also has 2 ram channels. you dont have to use them (youre an idiot if you dont tho)

[arctic lotus]

which is dual channel support right

[lusty tiger]

yes

dual = 2 lmao

[arctic lotus]

so im guessing that any mobo that says it has dual channel support means it also has single channel support too?

[solar gulch]

duh

[lusty tiger]

yes, you can just not use one channel, like i said

[solar gulch]

you shove a single stick in it and its single channel

[arctic lotus]

okay well how do i know if the mobo has quad channel support

[solar gulch]

(prebuilts be like)

[lusty tiger]

it doesnt

[solar gulch]

it says it

and you dont need quad

[arctic lotus]

okay cool

[lusty tiger]

am5 wont have quad channel support

[solar gulch]

at all

[solar gulch]

oh shit then mb

[arctic lotus]

what usually does?

[lusty tiger]

threadripper/threadripper pro

[solar gulch]

but the mobo page on website or whatever will say its channel support

[arctic lotus]

okayy

[solar gulch]

server shit

[lusty tiger]

Xeon

EPYC has up to 12 channels

[solar gulch]

isnt there also triple channel?

isnt that on ancient tech?

[arctic lotus]

so im guessing on their mobo pages, it will be all like "quad channel ddr5 memory technology" or some shit
and then not even mention dual channel cause if it supports quad channel, then that means it supports dual channel

[solar gulch]

yes lol

[lusty tiger]

yes

[solar gulch]

we went over this

[lusty tiger]

but dont worry about quad channel

[solar gulch]

ong

[lusty tiger]

am5 cpus only have 2 channels, and by extension, am5 motherboards

[solar gulch]

bing ai is fucking fire

thats how i got 6k reward points

[arctic lotus]

its a lifesaver tbh

[solar gulch]

fr

i used it on a speech i had to do

[lusty tiger]

yes. but again, you'll only have dual channel

[arctic lotus]

way better than chatgpt

[lusty tiger]

because it searches the internet

[solar gulch]

it is chatgpt basically

[solar gulch]

this is all it does

it takes stuff from sites and send links

and pisses me off

[lusty tiger]

its chat gpt with internet access, which is why its so much better. you also get gpt4 for free

[solar gulch]

actually?

it pisses me off sometimes

[lusty tiger]

yeah

[solar gulch]

sometimes its dumb as a rock

[lusty tiger]

on mobile you can choose between them, and probably on desktop too. gpt 4 is slower than 3.5

[solar gulch]

it got confused on monitors and didnt understand "4k" and kept sending 1080p monitors

pissed me off so i said fuck you to it and it closed the chat

now i know that if you insult it, itll just shut down

[lusty tiger]

is this bing ai or chatgpt

[solar gulch]

bing

they are equally stupid though

[lusty tiger]

nah

bing ai way better

[solar gulch]

yeah

[lusty tiger]

at least it cites its sources

[solar gulch]

FOR REAL BRO

snapchat ai is better tho ngl

you can persuade it to do stuff its not allowed to do

it takes a while though

[lusty tiger]

lol

anyway, dream, when are you going to choose a motherboard

[solar gulch]

fr

we went from storage to mobo to storage to mobo and then to otehr stuff now we back to mobo

just choose ngl

[lusty tiger]

Motherboards*
Features that matter:

multiple m.2 slots
extra pcie expansion
4 light debug LEDs
Nice to haves:
Wi-Fi + Bluetooth
bios flashback
7-segment display debug
Lots of usb (mix of 480Mb and 5Gb)
Many Fan Headers
6+ sata ports
2.5 Gb LAN (if you want fast nas access in the near future)
Clear CMOS Button on Rear I/O
PCIE Release Button
Nice to have but doesn't matter:
Right-Angle Internal Headers
USB-C
Features that don’t matter:
Thunderbolt
10Gb LAN
10+ Gb USB
Beep Codes
Covers

which ones do you want

[solar gulch]

dream

[arctic lotus]

whats the one under 2.5 gb lan

isnt like 1 gb lan

also whats this

[solar gulch]

protection against static electricity

[arctic lotus]

oh yeah mb

[solar gulch]

google

i legit just googled that

[arctic lotus]

why even put that on USB only

[solar gulch]

idfk

go google it or smthn

[lusty tiger]

Why even give a shit

[solar gulch]

FR

[lusty tiger]

Like actually. Find the features you know you’ll want/need, and pick a motherboard with those features

ez

[arctic lotus]

if i did that, youll be mad at me lmao

[arctic lotus]

so wait ram uses the same kind of ram as storage then?

ram is dram?

[sharp harness]

Yeah DRAM is usually what people mean when they say ram.

[sharp harness]

Not any storage I'm aware of uses DRAM, although it probably exists outside of the consumer space.

Since DRAM and NAND are two different technologies that are used for different purposes in a system. DRAM is a type of semiconductor memory that can store data for a short time, but requires power to do so. NAND is a type of flash memory that can store data for a long time, even without power. DRAM is faster and more expensive than NAND, while NAND is cheaper and slower than DRAM.

https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-performance/difference-between-slc-mlc-tlc-3d-nand

For some reason some messages didn’t send the first time so I’ll send it again.

“Just like DRAM there are different kinds of NAND.”

“Here’s a link from Kingston on what those are.”

[sharp harness]

I forgot to mention although its not used directly as storage some SSD will have DRAM on the SSD to use as cache.

Mostly the expensive ones iirc since its more Expensive and faster than HMB.

Which basically allows the SSD to use some of your systems DRAM as cache instead of it being on the SSD itself.

[topaz solstice]

only server and workstation mobo's have that abiolity

[topaz solstice]

it's a quasi-quadchannel

[topaz solstice]

yes, though most will say the type and speed

i.e. ddr4 3200

or in your case ddr5 6000

and wher it says "(OC) next to it, that implies running expo/xmp profile not the jedec

[topaz solstice]

all cpu's unless it's hedt, workstation or server have dual channel**

[topaz solstice]

this is only on a specific intel mobo chipset and select few intel cpu's, otherwsie it's a really bad choice to do

@lusty tiger remember ddr5 has 2 channels of ram per stick so anything will read the ram as quad channel primarily when it comes to using software like hwinfo

but with ddr5 you must only use 2 sticks of ram for it to detect their full capacity, using 4 sticks of ram with both make the ram run at half capacity, and make it harder to run them at their xmp/expo profile

[topaz solstice]

ancient, ancient xeon's

[topaz solstice]

where ram is concerned it's a 15-30% performance difference between single and dual channel

[topaz solstice]

cpu determine if you can do dual, triple or quad channel

[topaz solstice]

yup, though that's more for workstation/server use if i remember correctly

[lusty tiger]

Ahhhh. But it’s still 2 conventional channels

[naive robin]

An AM5 CPU can do up to 6400 in 1:1 mode, and nearly 8000 in 2:1 mode

Depends on the CPU, motherboard, BIOS and RAM ICs

[topaz solstice]

yeah, that's why it's quasi-quad

[arctic lotus]

im guessing 1:1 mode and 2:1 mode are xmp / expo settings

[arctic lotus]

dram is the cache

[pale tulip]

uhh

lets keep it at that, sure

[arctic lotus]

ik about these already but ty

[arctic lotus]

what does quasi mean here

[naive robin]

Yes ish
2:1 mode is worse, 1:1 mode is better

[arctic lotus]

so using 1 slot in dual channel is half speed.

but using 2 slots in dual channel is 100% speed.

using 4 slots in dual channel would be half speed too then?

you would need quad channel to run 4 slots at 100%

which is better but not needed.

[arctic lotus]

why does this mobo say it has four usba "2.0/1.1"

[lusty tiger]

They’re usb version 2.0 and 1.1

It’s just bs marketing

[arctic lotus]

but 1.1 isnt the same as 2.0

[lusty tiger]

It’s older usb

Literally marketing bs

[arctic lotus]

yeah but they arent the same

[lusty tiger]

So?

[naive robin]

4 slots in dual channel is normal speed

If not slightly faster than 2 slots in dual channel

[naive robin]

They'll de-rate to 1.1 if the device plugged in is also 1.1

[topaz solstice]

yes but he's refering to the infinite fabric clock where 1:1 = the IF clock matches the ram's frequency, 2:1 is where the IF doesn't match and the ram's frequency is double that

i.e 6000mt/s ram runs at 3000mhz so the IF clock matches it

where as say an 8000mt/s ram kit will be running at 4000mhz so the IF clock will be at 2000mhz instead

[topaz solstice]

and for quasi, this

it implies that the ram is doing quad channel but it's not really doing quad channel

as ddr5 has 2 channels of ram per stick

it's 2x 32bit bus for each ddr5 ram stick

where as on ddr4 and earlier it was 1x64bit bus per stick

so they would read as a single channel per stick

https://www.rambus.com/blogs/get-ready-for-ddr5-dimm-chipsets/

this would explain it better than i can

[arctic lotus]

i know it doesnt double again

[arctic lotus]

but doesnt all usb have backwards compatibility?

[naive robin]

Yes

They're just being specific about it for whatever reason

[arctic lotus]

i know none are back compat with usb 1 tho

so the farthest back must be 1.1

but 1.1 should be for all of them

is derating the same as backwards compatibility? cause if you plug in a 1.1 cord, it would just be determined by the cord. in this case the cord is 1.1 which should work fine in a 2.0

also this mobo manufacturer does something different that others usually dont. they list whether the usb is off the cpu or the chipset

[naive robin]

Usually manufacturers don't because there's no speed difference between the two options

And therefore, no need to list it

[lusty tiger]

1.1 completely replaced 1.0

[arctic lotus]

my question about that is. i know about hubs and how its not the cpu or the chipset. but

how can a usb port be off of something like a cpu + hub or a chipset + hub?

is it saying both at the same time or is it saying which part the hub connects to after?

[topaz solstice]

remember the pics i sent?

[arctic lotus]

i would probably remember if i knew which ones

[topaz solstice]

about the pcie lanes

[arctic lotus]

i remember. i knew about that stuff before you sent the pics tho

[topaz solstice]

about how they're split out

[arctic lotus]

yeah the connection lines

[topaz solstice]

most of the usb ports will be tied to the chipset

[arctic lotus]

i know those. so are you just saying that

CPU = directly to cpu
Chipset = directly to chipset >> and then cpu
"CPU + hub" = directly to some hub >> and then cpu
"Chipset + hub" = directly to some other hub >> then to the chipset >> then to the cpu

[topaz solstice]

yup

[arctic lotus]

okay im on track then

[arctic lotus]

how do i see how much power the mobo will use

[lusty tiger]

It’s not enough to matter afaik

Especially compared to something like a 4090

[topaz solstice]

on average, mobo itself will only use a couple of watts of power tbh

it's more the wattage the gpu and cpu themself use

[solar gulch]

motherboard is what holds them all together so it doesnt need much power

[topaz solstice]

it's the central nervous system of the pc

[solar gulch]

does that mean when a dimm slot stops working its a crippled motherboard?

lmfao

[pale tulip]

yes

[topaz solstice]

yes

[solar gulch]

crippled motherboard

motherboard in a wheelchair

[topaz solstice]

you can compare the pc to the head of a person tbh

[solar gulch]

gpu is someones eyes probably

and cpu is their brain

gpu could have better analogy tho

[topaz solstice]

hard drive = long term memory
ram = short term memory

mobo = central nervous system

[solar gulch]

a broken dimm slot would be a concussion then lol

[topaz solstice]

microphone = the ears

speaker = the mouth

gpu = visual cortex

[solar gulch]

case=looks or smthn

big brain

[arctic lotus]

so then all my power should be accounted for then already

[lusty tiger]

Pretty much

Shoot for a 1kW psu

[arctic lotus]

do cases use a lot of power usually?

[solar gulch]

its a metal box

[arctic lotus]

maybe lights and usb tho

[solar gulch]

how much electricity would a metal box use

probably like 2 watts from io

[solar gulch]

a case fan is rated at 1.8 watts

[topaz solstice]

the skull and skin

[solar gulch]

0.6-6 depending on size

[solar gulch]

yes

no skeleton

just skull

[topaz solstice]

less than the spark between 2 brain cells for some people

[solar gulch]

lmfao

[topaz solstice]

eh, depends on the fan in question

[solar gulch]

yeah

0.6-6 watts

1.8 is max on a 80mm

6 watts is for 140mm

[topaz solstice]

more like 0.5 - 36w

[solar gulch]

well yeah

but i dont think it really matters

[arctic lotus]

is there anything wrong with me going one of these

[sturdy anchor]

Yes

[topaz solstice]

well apart from the gamemax being a tier F psu, nope

[sturdy anchor]

Yea the gamemax

All of them are F tier

[topaz solstice]

and tbh you don't need anything higher than 1.2kw for a psu

[arctic lotus]

i need to check that tier list again

[lusty tiger]

....

[arctic lotus]

is 1.2 kw = 1200w

[topaz solstice]

yes

[lusty tiger]

bequiet dark power 13 | corsair RMe 1000W

[topaz solstice]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[sturdy anchor]

Maybe not the RMe I believe they have coil whine

[lusty tiger]

lol

[topaz solstice]

everything has coil whine

[lusty tiger]

i origionally only said the dark power 13, but didnt want to only say one psu over and over again

[sturdy anchor]

Fair enough

[topaz solstice]

even people have coil whine

[sturdy anchor]

Maybe the real coil whine were the friends we made along the way

[lusty tiger]

regardless, any 1000W version of one of these

because 4090 power plug

[topaz solstice]

i prefer the corsair tbh, they will be gen4 pinouts, with only a few moving over to gen5 pinouts now

[topaz solstice]

you mean the 12vhpwr cable

[lusty tiger]

yes

[topaz solstice]

which the msi has, the fsp also has

the corsair does a standard to 12vhpwr

[lusty tiger]

one of the reasons i called for the dark power 13 was because of its native 12vhpwr plug

also because of its titanium efficiency for van life (is she or is she not doing van life)

[topaz solstice]

think it's msi that has a decent way for you to detect if the cable is properly seated in

[topaz solstice]

if she goes van life, she'll be better off with a 4070ti/4080 tbh

[lusty tiger]

100%

but then she should go radeon

wait, the 40 series is super efficent

[topaz solstice]

she'll still be able to do 4k gaming if she wanted but more realistically be better for 1440p instead

[topaz solstice]

more efficient than 7000 series

[lusty tiger]

1440p is all you need anyway

[topaz solstice]

especially in van life it will be

at like 27-32"

[lusty tiger]

yeah

[sharp harness]

4080 is overkill for most things (I have one), I put a 4070ti in my brothers computer and it’s great for games tbh.

But that is at 1440p so idk if it’ll be the same for 4K

[native frost]

how do u guys still post in this shit

this is literally the biggest troll

[desert mist]

Montech Titan Gold 1200w pretty solid too

[lusty tiger]

Refer to the pinned message

[desert mist]

Honestly with your budget should just stick with A tier PSUs

[lusty tiger]

100%

[desert mist]

Preferable multi rail PSUs for ever higher reliability

[desert mist]

Honestly wouldn’t be caught using anything but the 3-1 adapter for the 4090 because just seems more reliable

16 pins to 12 instead of 12 to 12

[lusty tiger]

You mean 4 in 1. Idk, it looks super ugly

[desert mist]

Oh yea 4-1

I mean you can conceal it tho

Just buy a reputable branded cable and makes sure the cable is properly seated to keep any possible chance for it to melt

[lusty tiger]

I mean, not really

[desert mist]

You can lol get a aftermarket cable long enough for it simple

Cable mods makes them with angled connectors

[lusty tiger]

That’s basically using the native plug at that point

[desert mist]

With 4 connectors on the end

There’s are triple 8 pin tho

[solar gulch]

dream finally got a pfp?

[lusty tiger]

she put a pfp on her alt that she didnt care about

[solar gulch]

yeah ik

[arctic lotus]

yeah i saw a cute pic on fb today and decided wth

this account sucks tho without nitro

[lusty tiger]

nitro is meh imo

[arctic lotus]

this is the hdv

so you can look up a mobo "block diagram" and that should show you all the lanes (for usb)

[arctic lotus]

saw another mobo say "THB_U4 add-in card connector" but im pretty sure thats just another way of saying the same thunderbolt aic header thing

[arctic lotus]

what is

single rail vs multi rail

the m2000 seems like a good psu

its also A tier

the super flower leadex looked okay too but i couldnt find a purchase link or price anywhere

i think platinum or titanium will be my only options

i dont think i will consider a gold psu

[naive robin]

Why

[arctic lotus]

just the efficiency of it

here are the highest wattage psus on pcpp

i hear the gamemax is bad lol so i can cross those off

the silverstone hela has no efficiency rating which is weird

i can't find the super flower anywhere

the m2000 is completely fine

[inner dirge]

2000w

[arctic lotus]

fsp group cannon is just the m2000 but worse. it is gold instead of plat and it's longer.

enermax i can buy at walmart with my discount

but its gold

[naive robin]

Using a 2000W PSU for a 1000W system will result in lower efficiency in terms of PSU ratings

[arctic lotus]

i dont think that's true

[naive robin]

The 80+ ratings are usually hit at 85% load or thereabouts

[arctic lotus]

if anything the efficiency should be higher because of the bell curve

[naive robin]

The bell curve is offset towards higher load

[arctic lotus]

the closer you get to 60% the more efficient it is

here are the 1600w options

not including the 1550w options

i would say out of those 2000 ish watt options here are the only ones worth considering

https://ambiguous-hen-8da.notion.site/d44c68c38421425da42914e09e931a3a?v=238f83d2951743d0b40b45f95b900231&pvs=4

[naive robin]

There is a giant PSU spreadsheet already

It's linked on the same page as the tier list

[arctic lotus]

these are the ones im choosing from

[runic bloom]

Why the hell are you getting 2000 watts

[topaz solstice]

nope and if you use a 2000w psu on the electrical system for a car you'll be tripping it, use an apropiate power supply, no more than 1.2kw

[topaz solstice]

none of these are good in regards to being in a van

you're being utterly stupid with the psu decision

1200w at most only

[lusty tiger]

All of those are terrible

Dark power 13

[pale tulip]

i mean

theyre not terrible
just overspecced

doing a spreadsheet of a spreadsheet is crazy though

[lusty tiger]

If this is true, they’re terrible

[topaz solstice]

it's sustained load vs peak load

then on top of that, transinet spiking

inverters afaik have came a long way but a transient spike could trip the whole system

by the time dream has the system built, she'd have to build a different one or "downgrade" most of the current one

[desert mist]

Oh dear god

[crisp rune]

just wondering what have we got so far

[solar gulch]

jesus christ

[unreal zenith]

she will NEVER need a 2000w psu, a 1200w one is still overkill

[solar gulch]

ong

[topaz solstice]

@arctic lotus with the way you're going you'll be needing this as a minimum https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-Inverter-RS-Smart-Solar-EN.pdf

[solar gulch]

thats a lot of funny numbers

[lusty tiger]

So quite a bit more for everything else in the vehicle

[topaz solstice]

most doing the van life have the bare minimum basics and have a 3kw inverter

covers for a hot water boiler, microwave, kettle/coffee machine mainly

the pump is mainly a 12-24v caravan/campervan/rv pump

all the lighting is 12v primarily

[topaz solstice]

mainly this unit does 5.3kw continuous but will drop to a lower wattage output if it gets hotter, and it's peak power that it can hit is 7kw for 4 mins/ a surge of 9kw for 3 seconds

but on it's own, it sips away at 20w when zero load is placed on it

[solar gulch]

ok

[topaz solstice]

which for an inverter is quite highly efficient

you wouldn't want to put more than 5kw load in total on it tbh

a 3-3.5kw load = kettle/coffee machine + microwave + shower being on all together roughly

500w-1kw for the kettle/coffee machine, 600-1.4kw for the microwave, 1-2kw for the heater in a shower

[lusty tiger]

Parallel inverters, or multiple circuits. That’d be so crazy

[desert mist]

People doing van life don't have a nuclear reactor running in a pc case with pink accents either tho

[crisp rune]

do we even have a part list so far or is it still changing?

[topaz solstice]

nah, that's when you run 2 inverters side by side, pretty easy to do

[topaz solstice]

not a full one, mobo hasn't been fully decided yet

[crisp rune]

what have we got so far?

[topaz solstice]

and she's looking at psu's currently#

[crisp rune]

mk

is there a list so far or?