building my 1st pc

[steel sapphire]

true

[orchid oracle]

0%

[solar gulch]

no

[orchid oracle]

Or 0.000 repeating 1 %

[solar gulch]

i almost opened a case

btw chance for a special to drop from case is 0.26

and statrak is 0.026

[steel sapphire]

i assume those are good (i dont play csgo)

[solar gulch]

cheapest gloves are 40 dollars, cheapest knife is 70

from third party sellers*

its 50 and 100 on steam market

which is like a 40 and 90 dollar profit cuz cases cost like 3-10 dollars

[solar gulch]

or you unbox smthn like this

[lusty tiger]

if you keep talking about random stuff, ill report you both

[steel sapphire]

[lusty tiger]

<@&750150305383186585>
this user is not contributing to the thread and introducing other topics not related to the thread/forum.

[steel sapphire]

this entire thread is a violation of rule 4

[solar gulch]

uh oh

[steel sapphire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar gulch]

hes got a point

whatever rule 4 is

[steel sapphire]

no spam and trolling

[solar gulch]

yeah i checked

ig it is

[steel sapphire]

"do not spam, shitpost, troll, or advertise"

this thread is most definitely spam and trolling

[solar gulch]

i think pokey is familiar with that rule

[lusty tiger]

literally no one has proof of that

[steel sapphire]

checks calendar

2 months

[solar gulch]

exactly bruh

uh oh

[steel sapphire]

bruh

i did an oopsie woopsie and got a no no

[solar gulch]

stop talking baby

[steel sapphire]

anyways

[arctic lotus]

ive been picking parts since early july lmao

and no i will not speed things up

[steel sapphire]

oh sick im unblocked

[solar gulch]

actually?

😦

im not

un block me

[arctic lotus]

you arent, i just figured, i might as well uncollapse to see why i had 20 messages

[solar gulch]

oof

unblock me

😦

[arctic lotus]

sure

[solar gulch]

no way

hooray

[arctic lotus]

yep youre back

im not trolling tho.

[solar gulch]

and the cycle continues

[lusty tiger]

do you have any idea for a motherboard dream?

[steel sapphire]

such is the circle of life

[arctic lotus]

im off the next 2 days and now that ive cleared up those things about reading the manufacturer stuff. i have made great progress

[solar gulch]

maybe

[arctic lotus]

https://ambiguous-hen-8da.notion.site/225d13c19bcd4c2b9cf5a889de882c0c?v=0aa5f5f9dd5d4080a0fcc455c84f94de&pvs=4

[solar gulch]

hey

is that why youve been on notion for three days??

[lusty tiger]

thats why shes regularly on notion for upwards of a week lol

[steel sapphire]

now thats a spreadsheet

[arctic lotus]

yep. its the only thing i do

is research pc parts

[solar gulch]

damn wtf

[solar gulch]

i did that for like a month

also german W language

[lusty tiger]

if youre using 2 t700s, you'll want a motherboard with 2 gen 5 m.2 slots

[arctic lotus]

this is how i put that one m.2 into

1x 2242 / 2260 / 2280 M-Key PCIe Gen 3x2 + SATA3 (Chipset)

[solar gulch]

holy shit i didnt even look

[solar gulch]

i have a question

[lusty tiger]

or....dont use 2 t700s because theres no reason to

the very best advice i can give is use no more than 1 t700, preferably 0. but, its your choice so 🤷

[solar gulch]

yep

[sand stream]

when u gonna upgrade that cpu

u can get a 3600 for like 50$ school money

[topaz solstice]

no it doesn't make it worse, it's how it cas to communicate with everything, the fact they're using a single chip for the sata means that everything on the chipset is being used up essentially and it needs an extra controller for the sata ports otherwise they would not work

[topaz solstice]

take that to a separate thread

[sand stream]

🤓

[topaz solstice]

<@&750150305383186585> troll

@arctic lotus might as well remove this from your list

a620 won't help for your purposes

[solar gulch]

no really

[violet sparrow]

Did the list get deleted again?

[naive robin]

Just a side note, other way around. It has to travel through the chipset to the CPU.

[worldly shore]

Bro this thread is longer than some college textbooks

[pale tulip]

i mean

its as much information as one

[honest totem]

This shit is still going on

Oh naw

You guys are still on ssds

You guys on optane

[naive robin]

If you don't like how long this thread's been going on, then simply unfollow it and be about your day. Complaining about it wont make it go away, nor is it constructive in any way.

[arctic lotus]

i added this for comparison sake. it's like the worst A board

wth we have pins now?

[lusty tiger]

Just the mods can pin afaik

[arctic lotus]

ohh makes sense

just got back from my doctors appointment in detroit

back to work

[arctic lotus]

OHH i remembered a big thing i wanted to ask about the hub

are they physical connectors off the mobo too? or are they electrical support only? so like 1 sata port that allows for 1 sata cable and then the sata cable splits and can do 1 additional or 2 additonal sata connections?

[lusty tiger]

The asmedia hub has 2 sata ports, and (I think) uses 1 pcie 2.0 lane

[arctic lotus]

so like usb headers basically. mbs will have a couple headers for the front panel, and some of those usb headers are "free floating" or electrical only.

im asking if the hub is like that or if it's literally just 2 sata ports

[lusty tiger]

At least that’s what bing ai said. Though they said b650 was 11th gen not am5 so….

[lusty tiger]

Like what

[arctic lotus]

if we look at the pcb layout i should be able to see 4 sata ports

[lusty tiger]

There’s 2 off the chipset and 2 off the sata hub/controller

[arctic lotus]

like yknow how usb headers will have physical headers and then some of those physical headers will support additional headers on top of the physical header itself.

so like if a mobo had 2 usb2 headers, it might support +4 usb2 headers on top of the 2 usb2 physical headers. it's kind of uncommon knowledge.

but basically im wondering if the sata hub is like that.

[lusty tiger]

No it’s not

It supports 2 sata devices because that’s how many ports it has

[arctic lotus]

im basically asking if the sata hub is invisible

so it does have 2 physical ports

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[arctic lotus]

awesome im all set with the asmedia thing

[lusty tiger]

2 sata ports from the chipset, and 2 from the sata controller

I am looking at the same motherboard, right?

@arctic lotus

[arctic lotus]

yep i think i found them too myself

looks like 4 to me

[lusty tiger]

Yes

2 off the chipset and 2 off the sata controller, just like it says in the specs

[arctic lotus]

manual made it seem like there was only 2 for a second

[arctic lotus]

yep

its just cause they basically sit on top of each other lol

[lusty tiger]

?

[arctic lotus]

btw what are these other 4 documents

[lusty tiger]

Look up all those abbreviations, I don’t know

[arctic lotus]

okay

so everyone basically only uses the user manual

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[lusty tiger]

Wdym

[arctic lotus]

2 of the sata physically are on top of the other 2 sata ports on this mobo

so my question with this is

does it matter if it says this or not

[lusty tiger]

Oh, yeah

[lusty tiger]

Wdym

[arctic lotus]

like if a mobo doesnt say this does it mean that it nvme m.2s slots wont work for boot drives?

[lusty tiger]

They all will afaik

Especially with am5

[arctic lotus]

so its just redundancy

[lusty tiger]

Yeah pretty much

[arctic lotus]

what about the u.2 part, when it says u.2 kit, does it that it wont support an asus u.2 kit for example?

[lusty tiger]

It probably would, depending on what exactly the kit is

[arctic lotus]

and if it doesnt say this, does that mean u.2 kits wont work at all on that mobo?

[lusty tiger]

Like if it’s just an m.2 to u.2 adapter with a cable connected, any will work

[lusty tiger]

It probably won’t work

For the same reason as the sata m.2

[arctic lotus]

so basically just see if it has u.2 support but dont worry too much about the brand

[lusty tiger]

Yep

[topaz solstice]

Those have been out for a while

[arctic lotus]

no we cant do pins in this discord its still admin only

i knew about pins on discord

[lusty tiger]

Lol

[lusty tiger]

So can you pick a motherboard?

[topaz solstice]

nope, doesn't matter tbh

[topaz solstice]

that's quite normal tbh

[lusty tiger]

A lot of motherboards do that

It looks nicer for cable management

[topaz solstice]

any gen and can be x1/x2 for lane usage

the chip can do up to 6 sata ports off it

[lusty tiger]

Ngl I don’t know anything about that besides what I looked up.
and it doesn’t fucking matter

[topaz solstice]

dw dude, had a similar discussion in tech chat 1 about another asmedia chip

[lusty tiger]

🥹

[topaz solstice]

it'll be 2 ports directly connected to the chip, and then that chipc connects to the pch/chipset

though this is probable echoing what creeper said

[arctic lotus]

b650e pg riptide

[lusty tiger]

Get rid of nvme boot disks

That’s redundant across all motherboards

[topaz solstice]

what they said about nvme boot disk, should have never been mentioned

[lusty tiger]

And u.2 tbh because no one should use it

[arctic lotus]

the hdv by comparison

it doesnt mention u.2 support so that means it probably wont support u.2 then?

[lusty tiger]

It won’t, at least I don’t think so.

[arctic lotus]

so all nvme m.2s slots can be used for your boot disk?

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[topaz solstice]

yes, that's why them mentioning it is as pointless as mentioning u.2 support

[topaz solstice]

what would need to be checked is the bios itself for this

as a u.2 kit is an m.2 adapter and raid on the nvme slot itself can mean you can use any u.2 kit

[lusty tiger]

So any m.2 slot can have a u.2 drive connected?

[topaz solstice]

quite possibly

but it depends in the bios's settings and firmware

each brand may have a different take on it

[lusty tiger]

Yeah, makes sense

So if it doesn’t say it supports it, it probably doesn’t?

[topaz solstice]

well if we look at the hdv, it's so low end they may have it setup with raid over nvme is disabled

where as a midrange board like the riptide

or the lightning may have it enabled in the bios

[lusty tiger]

Ohhhh yeah

[arctic lotus]

what is enabled in bios?

[topaz solstice]

asus mobo's are the only one you can't apply that level of logic to though

[topaz solstice]

the ability to use a m.2 adapter for sata/u.2

that's all that a u.2 kit is really

just an adapter that uses the m.2 form

u.2, m.2 adapter

[lusty tiger]

U.2 is, after all, pcie; just in a different form factor

[arctic lotus]

oh so the u.2 support is toggleable itself inside bios

[topaz solstice]

a m.2 adapter that is for use with a pcie adapter

m.2 adapter to m.sata

[lusty tiger]

Buying ewaste to keep using ewaste 💀

[topaz solstice]

m.2 a+e adapter to change wifi to 4g lte/5g

m.2 to ngff adapter

[arctic lotus]

when it has this disclaimer does it just mean that it doesnt have enough m.2 physical slots since raid10 requires 4 drives?

[topaz solstice]

yup, like a asus hyper raid card

or, a u.2 kit

[lusty tiger]

Nvme raid is stupid

Raid 10, I should say

[topaz solstice]

m.2 to sata adapter

m.2 to pcie x16 adapter (read as monstrosity)

[arctic lotus]

so they have expansion slots for even more m.2s?

[topaz solstice]

been around for a fair while

[arctic lotus]

this looks insane

[topaz solstice]

you only do pcie x4 off it

[lusty tiger]

Why didn’t they just use an open ended x4 slot

[topaz solstice]

because miners

[lusty tiger]

That’s what it’s meant for?

[topaz solstice]

it's what it would be commonly used for

[arctic lotus]

wait another gpu? lol

[lusty tiger]

For when your mining motherboard still doesn’t have enough pcie slots

[topaz solstice]

yes

[lusty tiger]

Rip mining

not rip actually

It should die

[topaz solstice]

the m.2 to usb i showed earlier

[steel sapphire]

no keep mining alive just so people can sell the gpus they bought for next to nothing on tbe used market

[topaz solstice]

it's for something like this to be plugged in

[lusty tiger]

I’ve seen that before

[topaz solstice]

again, read as a monstrosity

[lusty tiger]

Not that exactly, but the usb thing

[lusty tiger]

?

[topaz solstice]

there's mining mobo's with 20 or so usb ports on, you'd plug these into it

[steel sapphire]

dude i got a 3080 ftw3 ultra for $525 in june

[lusty tiger]

And?

Actually nvm

Can we get back to topic

Dream, pick a fucking motherboard

[gentle elm]

Lmao

[lusty tiger]

She really needed to factor in sata m.2 support into her “comparison”

[topaz solstice]

to me it's leave all m.2 for nvme use, and just use sata 2.5 ssd's from the sata ports

so m.2 sata support is absolutely useless for decision making

[arctic lotus]

im probably not gonna use any sata

[topaz solstice]

that means no hdd's then

[arctic lotus]

but tbh i probably wont go the b650e pg riptide just cause i dont like it's m.2 line up

[topaz solstice]

it's line up is fine tbh

[arctic lotus]

i dont like it

[topaz solstice]

that last m.2 port perfect for a games drive

[arctic lotus]

but at least ik what im reading now

hdv is a no because no wifi

[topaz solstice]

not having wifi built in isn't an issue tbh

[arctic lotus]

its a big deal for me

[topaz solstice]

wifi cards exist for a reason

[arctic lotus]

i dont like wifi adapters

[topaz solstice]

it's the exact same thing, as having it built into the mobo

and tbh, running ethernet to the pc will always be better than using wifi

[arctic lotus]

until it breaks and you dont post and you can't tell if you are connected to the internet or not for a windows update

[topaz solstice]

a wifi adapter breaking won't mean your system doesn't post

if anything it'll be the antenna breaks

or someone being overly heavy handed when putting the card into the pcie slot

[arctic lotus]

im talking about a no post situation

and not having built in wifi was annoying for troubleshooting.

[topaz solstice]

that would be ram/cpu/power related

[arctic lotus]

im not even gonna talk about it

we tried everything

new ram

new psu

new cpu

[topaz solstice]

wifi would never have cured it

[arctic lotus]

p sure it was corrupted windows, and issues with windows updating along with weird shit on the boot drive

which was the only drive

[topaz solstice]

essentially what a wifi card is now

[honest totem]

Am not complaining it’s that I been tryna help but how can you help if they don’t want to hear it

[arctic lotus]

im getting built in wifi. if it kills me

one less thing to worry about

[arctic lotus]

you have not been trying to help.

idk who you are at all

[honest totem]

😂

What’s crazy is how diss you been with creeper

Saying your a crazy big

[topaz solstice]

well if you ever wanted to upgrade the wifi you're going to have to remove the shroud over the vrm's/rear I/O

[honest totem]

And you forget how we were saying optane istg smart

[honest totem]

You have not been tryna cooperate

[arctic lotus]

cooperate with what?

am i building a pc for you?

[honest totem]

You asking for help means you agreed to cooperate and not retaliate every response

[honest totem]

Look who is talking

🤣

[gentle elm]

Lmao

[arctic lotus]

not exactly retailiating, but if you just want to argue about how i should go intel instead of amd, then yeah i might retaliate.

[topaz solstice]

reminds me, if you get the t700's you going to get the m.2 coolers that i said about?

[honest totem]

I never said that

[arctic lotus]

what is istg?

[arctic lotus]

i will do custom cooling loops before i get those fans

[gentle elm]

Oh yeahhhh forgot about that

[gentle elm]

Why

[honest totem]

I meant isnt

[arctic lotus]

and i will get those fans before thinking about dropping the t700

[topaz solstice]

you will be paying the cost of the pc to cool it if you do a custom loop

[gentle elm]

You need those fans

[gentle elm]

Fr

[arctic lotus]

why would i forget this? of course im going to retaliate. i have talked with other people in this server about it in DMs and no one has anything bad to say about it.

besides it's expensive and overkill.

not that its bad.

[topaz solstice]

and custom loops only look good lately, but don't actively help with performance

[topaz solstice]

expensive, not overkill

[honest totem]

It’s impractical

Have you heard that

[arctic lotus]

they have the highest random read speed

[topaz solstice]

which means nothing for an OS

[honest totem]

Do I take 2 transit routes arrive 45 min

Or 1 transit for 10 min and 5 min of walking

45 vs 14

Which one

[arctic lotus]

yeah youre getting blocked.

[gentle elm]

Lmao

Everyone is blocked that helps

[topaz solstice]

it also wouldn't beat a gen 4 drive nowadays if used for OS

[honest totem]

How was I

Warned

They warned me for not being on topic

I was talking about imoratucially of an ssd

What is the bs

That’s dumb

[honest totem]

For speaking facays

My analogy makes sense

45 min or 15 min and only walk 5 min

[arctic lotus]

the analogy is trolling

[gentle elm]

Yeah it wouldn’t

[arctic lotus]

im building a pc. not taking college philosophy

[honest totem]

It is not trolllint

[arctic lotus]

i can't stand anyone's "philosophy" in here

[honest totem]

It is impractical in 2 ways

Tech size

Wise

[honest totem]

This

[arctic lotus]

sorry but absolutely not what ive researched

[honest totem]

you use chatgot

That isn’t research

You consult outdated or niche sources

Which are usually for expierment ak purposes

If Linus can watercool a bed

Does that me it’s what to do

No

[arctic lotus]

acting like he staring over my shoulder. doesnt even listen when i say i was basically bullied into using chatgpt. i used to hate it. but i actually like it. and now i like the bing ai more.

[lusty tiger]

But they like…don’t

[gentle elm]

[topaz solstice]

the moment the optane cache is removed from the drive, essentially it's weaker than any gen3 drive

[lusty tiger]

P5 plus

p1600x

[arctic lotus]

okay so i finally found some good sources

and im actually doubling down on what ive said even more so

[steel sapphire]

[pale tulip]

get a hobby lol

[arctic lotus]

in other words, ive decided to absolutely spend even more money on a more expensive optane drive

[lusty tiger]

objectively better than any optane

[pale tulip]

what source

[lusty tiger]

what the fuck

[arctic lotus]

instead of getting the p1600x. im for sure getting the 905p

[pale tulip]

😭

u realize how its the same shit for a boot drive right

[arctic lotus]

https://youtu.be/tSUMBeaaiOo?si=oCYt31VBqjRFfV4u

[steel sapphire]

yeah this thread is definitely "not trolling"

[lusty tiger]

thats still worse than the p5 plus for randoms

[pale tulip]

wtf is level1techs 😭

[lusty tiger]

refer to the pinned message

[lusty tiger]

its quite credible

[steel sapphire]

nuh uh

[lusty tiger]

linus talks to wendyl a lot for server stuff

[lusty tiger]

im reporting you if you dont shut up

[pale tulip]

wait 54 seconds for a boot?

[lusty tiger]

thats worse than my sata ssd

[arctic lotus]

that's the 990 pro lmao

[pale tulip]

ah

well

tf

what platform is that

[lusty tiger]

seriously dream, an optane ssd is really bad for boot

[pale tulip]

cause my patriot p300 boots like almost instantly

[gentle elm]

It’s about same speed as a gen 2 for boot

[lusty tiger]

well, its just really bad in general

[arctic lotus]

it's literally faster than the 990 pro lmao.

[lusty tiger]

actual benchmark proof of optane being worse. and im using intels specifications not actual benchmarks so thats as good as the drive can be

[steel sapphire]

this

how much storage is the 905p?

[arctic lotus]

the one tested is 1tb.

[steel sapphire]

oh nice

pretty good size for a boot drive

[arctic lotus]

i WAS going to invest $75 into a p1600x instead. but most likely going to go the 905p for safety and comfort

[pale tulip]

pcie ssd for safety and comfort

[lusty tiger]

its still worse

[arctic lotus]

p5800x is gen 2 optane

[steel sapphire]

thats good stuff

[pale tulip]

holy shit

[lusty tiger]

here's intels specifications for the 905p

[steel sapphire]

she wants the optane drive guys shes done her research you dont need to keep arguing with her

[arctic lotus]

i meant extra room for boot drive since the p1600x is 118gb. and i am a little worried itd be too small even though the price is good

[pale tulip]

price is NOT good

[arctic lotus]

905p. not the 900p

he says the price in the video too

and ive already found it at that price too (the $350)

[lusty tiger]

it gets beat by a fucking 970 evo

[pale tulip]

price of a gen 4 4tb drive lmao

[steel sapphire]

she wants the optane drive tho

[pale tulip]

dude

shut up

go away

[lusty tiger]

its worse in every fucking way

[pale tulip]

find the love of your life

[arctic lotus]

well this but also, creeper is a bit confused.

[lusty tiger]

how

[steel sapphire]

no

[arctic lotus]

it's not slower lol

[steel sapphire]

im pretty sure she would know, i dont see anyone else spending their entire days researching

[lusty tiger]

well, its faster than a 970 evo in randoms, but not a p5 plus

just give up on the fucking optane

please

[arctic lotus]

and if you have done your own research and have gotten past the sequential part, and have started looking into randoms, then you are comparing q32 or q20 not q1.

which is also mentioned

[steel sapphire]

[arctic lotus]

now i literally have 3 sources

[lusty tiger]

whatever, waste your money. idfc anymore

[arctic lotus]

it was never about the money silly

[steel sapphire]

it was about the friends we made along the way

[lusty tiger]

it should be more about the money than youre making it

[arctic lotus]

im just happy i can feel confident about it as i am with the cpu and gpu

optane would be ass for a video editing or bulk drive tho

[steel sapphire]

its not ur build she can spend her money however she wants

[lusty tiger]

i litearlly just said that

[steel sapphire]

ok then were in agreement for the optane drive?

[arctic lotus]

it only makes it harder to learn when people lead me astray from the most overkill options because of price alone.

overkill options should be mentioned, and people need to let me lead myself astray from those options if i so choose.

like the 13900ks

[steel sapphire]

exactly

[arctic lotus]

we have to at least acknowledge those options especially if i ask for them explicitly. and i have caught you guys intentionally discussing how you will try to misinform me about the most expensive options because they are overkill

because if you dont. then i will spend eternity researching them until i find out.

[steel sapphire]

thats not very cash money of them

[lusty tiger]

.......

[arctic lotus]

i never asked for price / performance

[lusty tiger]

ok

[topaz solstice]

who said about misinforming you about the most expensive options?

[arctic lotus]

it was awhile ago

but it still exists in these threads

[steel sapphire]

itll be in the logs somewhere

[lusty tiger]

Your “overkill pc” will stop being overkill in like 4 years and you’ll just have wasted money

[topaz solstice]

because i've done no misinforming at all, even when you tried to claim that i did

[arctic lotus]

i only said that, that one time yesterday

this is different

[steel sapphire]

itll still be overkill, just old

[arctic lotus]

honestly i dont know if 4 years will be enough time for nand to catch up since nand seems to concern itself more with sequential speeds.

but yes. its not only sequentials. its also higher qd randoms too.

[lusty tiger]

Maybe

[steel sapphire]

people who run a titan x still have an overkill pc

just old

[pale tulip]

uhh

[steel sapphire]

its age doesnt change how overkill it is, but you are right that it will soon be knocked off the top by newer faster components

[topaz solstice]

13900k is a poor choice if you're planning to game, and tbh alot of troll builds are made using this

[arctic lotus]

the productivity power of it is nice, but it also benefits more from ram.

[steel sapphire]

youre not gonna change her mind my guy

[arctic lotus]

gaming isnt as good, but im not so sure unless i see real world cpu + ram comparisons instead of standalone cpu.

[lusty tiger]

Are you going to help?

[topaz solstice]

techspot is good for that

[lusty tiger]

The 3D v cache makes ryzen way better

[arctic lotus]

ive seen some real world performance reports that showed the 13900k and 13900ks outperforming the 7950x3d if it was using the "right" ram. which confused me.

[topaz solstice]

but as the 13900k loses out to a 7800x3d for gaming it makes it a poor choice on that front

[honest totem]

It has a better memory controller

[honest totem]

Exactly

If you aim for priducoficy and gaming

And you do a loop

I would suggest the 13900ks

But you want the 3D cache

[topaz solstice]

and for production work a 13700k is more ideal than a 13900k

[arctic lotus]

still love that. that's basically what optane is.

[honest totem]

I have tried both

[lusty tiger]

What???

[honest totem]

I regret returning the 139900k

[lusty tiger]

It’s completely differently

[honest totem]

💀💀

[topaz solstice]

nope, optane is nothing like x3d cache

[topaz solstice]

better off without a spaceheater that secondary function as a cpu

13900k being only coolable with a 360mm aio as minimum

[lusty tiger]

And it needs to be a good one

[topaz solstice]

the ice giant can cool it, without being at thermal throttle limit, just it's cost and case prohibitive

[arctic lotus]

ik they are different technologies. i guess i just meant how 3d xpoint uses a three dimensional mesh of wires to increase ssd cache.

whereas 3d vcache stacks another layer of cache on top of its existing cache to increase cpu cache.

ik they are completely different tho

[topaz solstice]

which funily enough, means a cooler that's $120-180

[lusty tiger]

Then why did you say “like optane”

[arctic lotus]

cause i was on the topic of optane ig.

they are different in more ways than one

[lusty tiger]

But anyway, that’s why ryzen is better than core for gaming

[arctic lotus]

one is cpu, one is storage. one is amd, the other is intel. both are kind of about cache. both use 3d in the name even tho the type of 3d is different

[lusty tiger]

The fact that one is cpu and one is storage means they’re not at all comparable

[topaz solstice]

tbf amd had cpu's better for gaming before fx series and during when intel had their intial pentium line

[arctic lotus]

well i already know that about the 7950x3d. that's why i chose it

[lusty tiger]

Yeah

Anyway, do you have your storage rechosen?

[arctic lotus]

like cpu to cpu. the 7950x3d is better overall.

the 7950x is almost the same thing tho. but more cost effective

[topaz solstice]

funny fact, amd had multicore capability way before intel did

[arctic lotus]

i actually do buy into the x3d gimmick tho

[lusty tiger]

It’s not a gimmick

[arctic lotus]

some say it is

a lot do actually

[lusty tiger]

Wow, really?

[arctic lotus]

but honestly i dont think its a gimmick and i think its the future of cpus

[topaz solstice]

unlike 'rtx' for graphics cards, x3d is not a sales gimmick

[arctic lotus]

i look forward to see how the future will evolve with 3d vcache in mind.

[lusty tiger]

7800x3D beating literally every other cpu

[arctic lotus]

in gaming yes

[lusty tiger]

No one buys an x3D cpu and doesn’t game lol

[arctic lotus]

and it does it with less meaning that it's easier for x3d cpus to outperform

[topaz solstice]

yeah, way back with the pentium being single core, amd's k6 line had the ability but was never fully utilised

[topaz solstice]

until you realise there's server cpu's with x3d cache that's 1GB

[lusty tiger]

I mean

that’s server stuff

[arctic lotus]

x3d cpus are still good as workstations tho

just wont be #1

[topaz solstice]

and it's what the threadripper is based on, and all ryzens are based off the threadripper in smaller form

[arctic lotus]

but #1 isnt needed.

[topaz solstice]

wanna bet?

[arctic lotus]

i mean sure

[lusty tiger]

Lol

So dream what does your storage look like now

[arctic lotus]

905p, t700, t700

[lusty tiger]

Ok

[arctic lotus]

so i have a question about that

[lusty tiger]

Cross off every motherboard with only 1 gen 5 m.2 slot

Unless you already did

[arctic lotus]

is a bulk drive needed if you just have a drive for each individual thing

[lusty tiger]

That’s really stupid tbh

[topaz solstice]

not if you've got it organised

[lusty tiger]

A bulk drive is made for whatever shot you want. Don’t get drives for every fucking thing

[topaz solstice]

but depends on how you've got it set up

[arctic lotus]

whichever mobo i choose will just impact the storage. if it ends up having, two gen 5s then ill do the t700 and custom loop. or if not then maybe ill toss one of the t700s

[topaz solstice]

that's kinda saying do the opposite of what i've done

[naive robin]

'3d' in those names are marketing

Please don't do a custom loop in your van

[arctic lotus]

im not clingy to having 2 t700s

[lusty tiger]

I’d say toss at least 1 anyway but it’s your choice

[arctic lotus]

i actually found a van today, that i could buy but idk if i should

[topaz solstice]

if you do, you'd have to reconfigure the whole setup of your pc around it

[lusty tiger]

Also why the fuck did we switch to storage if the motherboard is going to change it anyway. Didn’t you switch to storage bc you didn’t know what motherboards would support what storage?

[lusty tiger]

Not a van but ok

That’s a bus

[arctic lotus]

right

but could be a good starter home for me

[topaz solstice]

that's a minibus, not a van

[arctic lotus]

and then i live rent free, until i save up for a better option

[lusty tiger]

Why are you wasting money on unnecessary pc components if you need to save for something

[topaz solstice]

it be a good start, but you'd need someone to do a ton of welding for you

[arctic lotus]

i meant like a brand new ford transit.

this is at a police auction for $2000

[arctic lotus]

yeah a lot of work needs to be done. you can get replacement windows for cheap and i would need to get it towed and rekeyed. it drives fine, but i cant drive it til i get it rekeyed tho. idk if the police department will let me rekey it there.

[topaz solstice]

well that's an e450, not a transit

[arctic lotus]

i have people who will do anything i saw p much. they are strangers tho.

plenty with power tools and i could get a group and they would still be happy.

[topaz solstice]

you wouldn't be be getting replacement windows, you'd be removing 6-7 of them

and there would be sheet metal replacing where they sat

[arctic lotus]

ik you can get used bus windows for cheap. i might just replace the broken one. but if not. i could just use cardboard.

[lusty tiger]

I’m just not gonna comment on any of this because I wouldn’t know what to say so ttyl evry1

[arctic lotus]

i could just keep the windows. i only meant the 1 window

[topaz solstice]

no and no, you have no privacy with the way those windows are set up

[arctic lotus]

idc about that kind of privacy

i would have to see how tinted they are

[topaz solstice]

you would need 6 completely removed so you can have some minimal privacy at least

[topaz solstice]

5% tints on them, = no privacy at all

[arctic lotus]

but theres other options besides going full on replacement and sheet metal work. ive seen the sheet metal work done too tho. and im not opposed to that either.

[topaz solstice]

it would add more structural rigidity to that bus which is something it would need

[arctic lotus]

damn should i go for it

[topaz solstice]

no

not with the amount of work it needs to make it structually sound before making it livable

[steel sapphire]

yolo

[topaz solstice]

an old decomissioned ambulance would be better in comparison

[arctic lotus]

yeah i love those

but also cant find those

[lusty tiger]

Dude stop

[topaz solstice]

link the site you saw it at

[unreal zenith]

is dream still going for car life? Or no?

[arctic lotus]

i havent found any ambulances up for sale

[lusty tiger]

She wants to again now

[topaz solstice]

van life, quite possibly

[unreal zenith]

living in an ambulance would be very awkward

[arctic lotus]

it wouldnt be

not for me

[unreal zenith]

driving around in one at least

[arctic lotus]

itd be the same as living in a van

[topaz solstice]

nah, it can be done very practical

[unreal zenith]

kind of I guess

[arctic lotus]

you would just paint the outside

not all are white and red lol

[unreal zenith]

I would go with van life

more room to work with

[arctic lotus]

maybe i would go dark gray or something

[topaz solstice]

it's just slightly lower wheel base than using a 7.5 tonner

[lusty tiger]

It would be illegal not to paint it probably, impersonating emergency personnel

[unreal zenith]

also ambulances are shaped like boxes in the back

[unreal zenith]

yea

[arctic lotus]

most likely in some way yeah

[lusty tiger]

Id want it a cooler color anyway lmao

[topaz solstice]

what do you think using a 7.5 tonner would be like?

[unreal zenith]

It wouldn’t look good not painted anyway

[unreal zenith]

idk

[arctic lotus]

also ambulances have better fuel economy than a skoolie

[unreal zenith]

why not a house, sorry to ask

[arctic lotus]

😂

i dont think i need to explain that one

[topaz solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwj6NFb51Z0

[lusty tiger]

Yes you do

[arctic lotus]

i will be a slave before i spend $300k on a house

[unreal zenith]

:/

[arctic lotus]

its only going to get worse btw

[lusty tiger]

I thought you were rich

[arctic lotus]

not 300k laying around rich lmao

[unreal zenith]

your about to buy a 5-6k pc…

[arctic lotus]

that's nothing

i financially wont feel it at all

[unreal zenith]

I would start saving for one just saying

[lusty tiger]

For actual wasted money, it kind of is

[arctic lotus]

already have money saved

[topaz solstice]

vinyl wrap might be cheaper

[arctic lotus]

yeah potentially

i like the latex look of it too

[unreal zenith]

dream do you live in a van rn?

[arctic lotus]

nope

just an apartment. i spend very little on because i got in before they inflated prices.

but now they are about to inflate my rent

[unreal zenith]

buying a house could possibly be better for you long term

[arctic lotus]

well im probably going to move to new york so

[unreal zenith]

Oh…

apartments there are super pricey lol

[arctic lotus]

yeah

[unreal zenith]

in the city?

[arctic lotus]

manhattan

[lusty tiger]

Dang, that’ll be rent inflation and a half

[arctic lotus]

lol well. i will live there for free

[lusty tiger]

You’re really doing vanlife now?

[unreal zenith]

How would you even find a place to park a van or ambulance

[arctic lotus]

its not hard.

ive done it before in a car.

[unreal zenith]

wont it eventually get towed

[arctic lotus]

it wont sit in the same place

the lifestyle isnt even exhausting for me

[topaz solstice]

th handy thing about an ambulance, is the amount of external cupboards

[arctic lotus]

one of the girls that lives alone in her van in new york is so nervous and scared and reclusive. i feel like i would be out and about going crazy all day.

[unreal zenith]

The only thing I would worry about is getting robbed

lol

[arctic lotus]

yeah me too

[topaz solstice]

it depends on where you park up

[arctic lotus]

but there are some with camera setups

i would probably get a gun

[unreal zenith]

Yeah Ik, I just feel like it would be hard to find a good spot considering Manhattan is the most densely populated borough

[arctic lotus]

it vastly depends on time of day.

before 2pm is quiet on some days

especially in certain areas

oh yeah another reason im going optane is they dont slow down when you get close to max capacity and they dont need dram and the have more endurance.

[lusty tiger]

ssds shouldnt be filled up

[topaz solstice]

on a ssd you always leave 20% of space, never fully fill it up

[topaz solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2e_FqNxng for you to learn from

[solar gulch]

arguable

[arctic lotus]

thank you so much

[arctic lotus]

yeah i probably wont use all of the boot drive capacity anyway, especially if i do the 905p

[topaz solstice]

really not a great choice especially at the capacity

120gb drive, that means making sure 24gb is always free

on a drive that small it's not going to happen

on a 250+ gb drive it's way easier

though when your boot drive is 500gb you'll never max it out when it's just used for OS, drivers and main launchers

[arctic lotus]

finally watching those gamernexus ltt videos

yeah i probably should have watched these sooner

[arctic lotus]

you shouldnt have to do that with optane tho

[arctic lotus]

so what could i do with 1tb?

since i would have extra space

[naive robin]

Extra documents or files or whatever

Or, the smart option
Not getting such a huge boot drive
Or just not having a separate boot drive at all 🤷

[arctic lotus]

could i put certain games on there too instead of just the launchers?

[lusty tiger]

There’s no reason to, especially with a t700

[naive robin]

I mean it's likely that the launchers will need to exist in the same folders as the games themselves, and you'll just need to create shortcuts to access them more easily

[arctic lotus]

i thought people put there launchers on the boot drive?

[naive robin]

I mean I put my everything on the boot drive

As do most people

[lusty tiger]

No it’s just the shortcuts to launchers, for game drive equipped systems

[lusty tiger]

Honestly, whatever the fuck you want. Everything we’ve said about drive usage are really just guidelines. You just need to find the best configuration for you

[arctic lotus]

and that doesnt slow down the drive? or make it less optimized or whatever?

[lusty tiger]

Not really

Especially for an nvme drive

[naive robin]

Not at all

Windows even has built in functions to make sure the drive continues to remain optimised in terms of where files are stored

[arctic lotus]

so what happens to nand drives when they get close to capacity?

ive heard some things

[lusty tiger]

They lose cache size and can’t move around files well to keep nand wear equal across the chips

[arctic lotus]

so it translates to speed?

as in speed loss

how much speed loss are we talking

[lusty tiger]

Yeah, it can lose some speed

[arctic lotus]

is there a speed degradation chart?

[lusty tiger]

It changes

But the nand degradation is much more important

[arctic lotus]

well less cache size means it fills up faster which means slower

[lusty tiger]

Because if the drive can’t spread out drive wear, you might straight up lose capacity

[arctic lotus]

and if a longer delay on moving files because theres so much data stored also means slower drive

[lusty tiger]

?

[arctic lotus]

is that permanent

[arctic lotus]

just repeating what you said

what is esd protection?

[naive robin]

Electrostatic discharge

[arctic lotus]

what is that

is it bad

[naive robin]

You know when you touch something and you get a little electric shock sometimes

If you touch a computer component and it's not designed to take that it will die
However, most/all components nowadays can survive static discharge just fine

[arctic lotus]

i am extremely prone to static shock

[naive robin]

Just touch something metal like the PSU often enough then

[arctic lotus]

every 5 mins i shock myself at work

[naive robin]

That sounds more like you're in contact with something that isn't grounded properly

[arctic lotus]

everything time i "first touch" something

even if its not really metal

no im walking around

[arctic lotus]

so the hdv mobo says it's "thunderbolt ready"

but i absolutely can't find the tbt on it

on the manufacturers website there is this

and then on the manual there is this

[naive robin]

You plug in a PCIe thunderbolt expansion card and connect the required cable to that header

[arctic lotus]

right so it's just support for a aic

ik what an aic is but that's not really what im looking for

im trying to see if the usbc on the mobo has tbt or if the mobo has any tbt ports

[lusty tiger]

It doesn’t

And you don’t need thunderbolt anyway

[arctic lotus]

so does that mean, a mobo on the manufacturer's website can get away with advertising that it is "thunderbolt ready" even if it only supports an aic?

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[arctic lotus]

so what does "thunderbolt ready" mean

[lusty tiger]

It means it can have thunderbolt

[arctic lotus]

can you help me find a motherboard that has tbt ports?

[lusty tiger]

Why do you want thunderbolt

[arctic lotus]

cause i want it

[steel sapphire]

bc she can

[lusty tiger]

What are you going to use it for

[arctic lotus]

https://youtu.be/fINeI6Xm6t0?si=A4WjM6mkZE1ITQJn

[arctic lotus]

why do you wanna know 😆

[lusty tiger]

Most people don’t need tbt. I want to see if you have a legitimate purpose

[arctic lotus]

okay, ill tell you after you help me find 1 mobo with tbt ports. that seems p fair.

[steel sapphire]

wendell knows his stuff

[lusty tiger]

There doesn’t seem to be a motherboard with native thunderbolt ports. It looks like you’ll need to buy an aic

Just usb 4 are on motherboards from what I’ve seen

[arctic lotus]

but usb4 supports tbt

[lusty tiger]

Not necessarily

Thunderbolt 4 is the highest spec of usb 4. Usb 4 is not necessarily thunderbolt 4

They can leave out a lot of shit and still call it usb 4

[arctic lotus]

wait what is re-driver?

[lusty tiger]

?

Fym re-driver

[arctic lotus]

oh i guess tbt 5 got announced last week

[lusty tiger]

Go ahead and ignore that

[arctic lotus]

3d xpoint vs 3d nand which is also why i was comparing it to 3d vcache

[lusty tiger]

Well don’t

[lusty tiger]

So what do you want tbt for?

[solar gulch]

wow

progress...?

[steel sapphire]

nope lmao

[arctic lotus]

im using this spreadsheet to try finding tbt support

but this spreadsheet actually already has errors

it doesnt mention the usb header support which is kind of a big deal for a spreadsheet like this

a lot of these have 4 usb headers. but they also usually have about 4 more electrical only headers.

it would seem most motherboards only do the tbt header if that

[pale tulip]

usb is not this important bro

[arctic lotus]

also im p sure in the time it has taken to research this

usb4 has actually renamed its specifications

its no longer usb4 vers 1

and usb4 vers 2

it is now

so usb4 is using the same naming convention as usb3 now again

kind of annoying but also kind of funny

so the gen 2 speed is the same gen 2 speed as usb3

and the 2nd number is still the lanes

[vernal jay]

Why do you need usb4?

Unless you get a usb4 device or drive (which cost quite a lot) no point

A 3 gen 2x3 is enough for vr even

[topaz solstice]

gen 3.2 x2 you mean

[topaz solstice]

i can tell you a rog strix mobo will have it as a whole header

[topaz solstice]

you have to do that with any ssd, even with optane drives, and with a 1tb drive, you would still follow tha 20% rule

[arctic lotus]

i saw those rog strix mobos. its saying it has a tbt header.

but a couple others seem to have a tbt header

[topaz solstice]

which is what the 20% rule is about

[arctic lotus]

but the rog strix ones might support tbt 3 off their usb4

[arctic lotus]

i didnt know there was a 20% rule

or at least i didnt know the rule was 20%

what happens when a drive reaches 100% max capacity

[topaz solstice]

it's to cover you for wear and tear on the nand + other bits

[topaz solstice]

creeper covered that already

and ssd's have this feature called trim

to much wear and tear on the nand and trim will also reduce capacity over time

[arctic lotus]

i cant find it

[topaz solstice]

on rog strix mobo's it's a header you just add adapter to and put a usbc connector on

[arctic lotus]

so this one has it off the rear io

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x670e-i-gaming-wifi-model/spec/

a true tbt 3 port

[arctic lotus]

this is when it breaks the 20% rule

im talking about after that

what happens when the max capacity is reached not 80%-99%

[arctic lotus]

okay now the usb is complete

oh wait thats tbt 4 not tbt 3

that's insane

found another

here is the proart with 2

[topaz solstice]

yes, and when wear and tear on the nand reaches a certain point or you fill the capacity up to max, creeper told you what happened

[arctic lotus]

im sorry, i still cant find it

[topaz solstice]

having tbt is pointless tbh, and not worth it 95% of the time

[topaz solstice]

it's cvovered in what i sent a screenshot of

[arctic lotus]

i still dont see it

[topaz solstice]

this all happens when at 100%

[arctic lotus]

yeah but at least ik how to compare them now. its basically any usb4 only that has jhl controller.

[arctic lotus]

this is 80-99%

[topaz solstice]

trim is to help against this but only in a small amount

[arctic lotus]

im asking you about 100%

because i didnt get to ask creeper about 100%

[topaz solstice]

and at 100% this all happens, not just 80-99%

[arctic lotus]

yeah but does anything else happen

like does it die?

[topaz solstice]

unlike a hdd which doesn't lose it's speed, this lot happens, if there is to much degradation it will die, but if it's healthy then no

it could go read only mode for a while

which is why the 20% rule for ssd's came to be

[arctic lotus]

so hdd doesnt have to worry about the 20% rule then?

cause it doesnt lose speed

[topaz solstice]

nope because it's a spinning drive

[arctic lotus]

oh okay.

[topaz solstice]

it's speed is measured in rpm mainly

[arctic lotus]

well im p sure that's also the case with optane. at least from what ive researched and have been told

it has the highest endurance too

[topaz solstice]

so it's motor, whether it does 5400,5900 or 7200 will still be spinning at that speed

[naive robin]

Once again, 3Dwhatever is just marketing speak
This is how gates have been for a little while now

[topaz solstice]

not when the cache is full, and no it will happen as it's an ssd with optane cache

[arctic lotus]

there are people in chat rn who are saying its not a gimmick tho

[topaz solstice]

you fill it to 100% it's going to slow the fuck down

[naive robin]

I never said it was a gimmick

[topaz solstice]

isn't it marketed in how the way it accesses the cache?

[naive robin]

Yeah that too

[arctic lotus]

well im not saying its a gimmick either, im just saying the technology can be compared in some ways

[naive robin]

Then one can say that DRAM and normal NAND can be compared because they're both IC types that store things

A lot of technology is very much comparable
But it's not... correct to compare them

[arctic lotus]

i disagree.

[naive robin]

Then enjoy meaningless comparisons 🤷

[arctic lotus]

i wont dive into specifics

as to why

thanks for the input regardless.

[arctic lotus]

okay so now i know how to find out if the mobo has thunderbolt. then what is this then?

ik what a thunderbolt card is. but is this a thunderbolt header? or does the aic come with the mobo?

[arctic lotus]

and by thunderbolt. i mean jhl controller off the rear

[topaz solstice]

the card is separate, and for that mobo you need to add the card for it to have thunderbolt capability

i already linked how it worked earlier

something having usb4 does not garuantee it having thunderbot

same with something having usb3,2 gen 2

[arctic lotus]

so why does it say - 1 x Thunderbolt™ AIC Connector (5-pin) (Supports ASRock Thunderbolt™ 4 AIC Card)

what does this even mean

[naive robin]

It has 1 thunderbolt connector, which is intended to be used with their thunderbolt AIC

[arctic lotus]

yeah ik. its usb4, then usb4 with tbt 3 and then usb4 with tbt 4

[arctic lotus]

is it a tbt header?

[topaz solstice]

#1153136851431989259 message

[arctic lotus]

ik ive seen this

[topaz solstice]

read from that message in regarding to the AIC for the asrock mobo

[arctic lotus]

ik what the card is

[topaz solstice]

then you would have realised what that 5 pin connector is for, as it does not directly do tbt through it

[arctic lotus]

oh okay so it is a tbt header

[topaz solstice]

not properly

[arctic lotus]

i just read it. thats what it is

[topaz solstice]

a proper tbt header is 19 pin

[arctic lotus]

so can the tbt header be used for anything else besides the aic?

[topaz solstice]

no

[arctic lotus]

so its not for the front panel then

[topaz solstice]

that 5 pin header is for controlling the aic

you can't do tbt out of the front panel

[arctic lotus]

so its a special tbt (aic only) header

[topaz solstice]

less special but otherwise yes

[arctic lotus]

wait and the aic requires 3 cables to be plugged in?

a tbt cable
a usb2 cable
and a dp cable

[topaz solstice]

2 cables tbh

the dp connection is for a pass through

so ignore it for now

[arctic lotus]

is the usb2 not for pass through?

[topaz solstice]

no

[arctic lotus]

cause thunderbolt shouldnt be only usb2

[topaz solstice]

thnderbolt is pcie (#gen) x4 which it gets from the pcie slot

but for some of it's capabilities it uses usb

it's also helping with controlling it

and with some peoples builds it means needing the use of a usb splitter (almost like a hub) but to use internally inside the pc

[arctic lotus]

tbt aic sounds annoying as hell

but if a mobo says it has a tbt header, now i know that's what it means

[topaz solstice]

a mobo can have a tb header and not use an aic

hence why i said about rog strix mobo's

rog strix b650-f gaming

full tbt header

[arctic lotus]

so this was wrong then?

[topaz solstice]

nope, it depends on the mobo manufacturer

alot of them are just a cable for controlling the thunderbolt aic

but there are some that have a full header you can plug straight on to

different brands with different ways of implementing it

[arctic lotus]

so if the tb header is only one physical header, how does it split into 3 cables? does it split?

[topaz solstice]

nope it wouldn't split, it would be 1 cable

[arctic lotus]

so it plugs directly into the aic and then the other 2 cables plug into somewhere else from the aic

[topaz solstice]

that's for the ones that control it using a cable

if it had a header for direct connection, it would be like connecting a usb c cable onto the header

and the more i read about TBT the more useless it looks against how you can have alternative modes on usb C

i.e DP-alt, HDMI-alt

and tbt is primarily a feature of intel mobo's not amd so much

[arctic lotus]

tbt4 is royalty free so the main reason it's not on amd mbs is cause tbt3 was expensive.

its also why the controllers being used instantly jump to tbt4 and not a tbt3 controller

and tbt wasnt usbc until tbt3 but since it was expensive. widespread use was still mostly left to apple products it seems.

[topaz solstice]

and yet tbt4 only became royalty free due to intel letting it be part of usb-if

[arctic lotus]

i do know about the dp alt mode stuff, just a transitional period for usb3.2 into usb4.

[topaz solstice]

otherwise, mobo manufacturers would be still paying intel for use of it

[arctic lotus]

what is usb-if

[topaz solstice]

USB Implementers Forum

https://www.usb.org/

original thunderbolt connection tbf, v1/v2 before it went to using usbc

still doesn't mean it isn't a feature mainly for intel, not amd

[arctic lotus]

i think thats mini dp

[topaz solstice]

it is, it is also how thunderbolt was originally

[arctic lotus]

yep

[arctic lotus]

for now but i think amd is just scared to use tbt tbh. they wont even list it on their mobos without naming it by controller whereas intel will just call it thunderbolt

[topaz solstice]

nope, not scared, it's a case of not having to pay intel for the use of it

though now with tbt4 being part of usb-if, they don't have to worry about that

as it's royalty free, so they just list it by the controller chip

[arctic lotus]

yeah but these are tbt4 controllers too

[topaz solstice]

like i said, they just do it this way as it's easier, it also means it doesn't use intel's terms for it

considering the stunts intel has pulled to try and have a monopoly on cpu's over the years, i can't blame amd taking that route

and yes, amd has sued intel a few times and won

[solar gulch]

ong

[lusty tiger]

You’ll have to check what features are on that usb 4 port

Because as I said, usb 4 is not thunderbolt

Also why do you want thunderbolt

[solar gulch]

ong bro

[lusty tiger]

What

[solar gulch]

theres not much of a point for dream to get thunderbolt

[lusty tiger]

I want to know if she has a legitimate reason, which I doubt, but i wanna make sure.

[solar gulch]

yeah

[arctic lotus]

i already know the differences between usb4, usb4 with tbt3 and usb4 with tbt4.

[lusty tiger]

So you know usb 4 is not necessarily tbt 4

[arctic lotus]

i was the one saying all this a month ago

i just needed help finding out how to know whether or not a mobo has tbt or not

which is done and over with

[lusty tiger]

I said there doesn’t seem to be any

[arctic lotus]

alright so when a mobo says this

[lusty tiger]

They just have the header for an aic

[arctic lotus]

that means it supports multi gpu

[lusty tiger]

Yes, for amd specifically

[arctic lotus]

but what if it doesnt say it

[lusty tiger]

It literally doesn’t matter

[naive robin]

CrossFire is the capability of using multiple AMD graphics cards (which in of themselves support crossfire) together

[arctic lotus]

i meant what if it doesnt say it my bad

[lusty tiger]

Multi gpu gaming is dead

[arctic lotus]

ik crossfire is amd

SLI is intel right

[lusty tiger]

Nvidia

[arctic lotus]

oh mb

isnt there a 3rd one

[lusty tiger]

Not that i know of

[arctic lotus]

like nlink or some weird

[lusty tiger]

Unless you mean nvlink

That’s also nvidia

[arctic lotus]

oh mb

what is nvlink real quick

oh it is multi gpu

but its better than crossfire and sli

okay then

so why does nvidia have 2 technologies for multigpu

why do they have sli and nvlink lol

[lusty tiger]

They’re the same except:
Sli uses a master-slave relationship.
Nvlink uses a mesh network. It can sometimes pool vram together

[lusty tiger]

Nvlink is for enterprise and is way faster (i think)

[arctic lotus]

ohh ty

[lusty tiger]

Nvlink can also connect more gpus

[arctic lotus]

are these technologies downloadable software or do they come with the mobo?

[arctic lotus]

ohhh okay

[lusty tiger]

The way it’s supported is the top two x16 slots can choose between x16 and nothing, and x8 and x8. Motherboards that don’t support it have x16 and x4

And you shouldn’t care about it

You can’t use it anyway

[arctic lotus]

ik about those which is my next question

what is the difference between dual x8 and crossfire/sli/nvlink

[lusty tiger]

sli is for Geforce. nvlink is for Quadro. Crossfire is for Radeon. dual x8 just means the motherboard supports 2 gpus (the dual x8 allocates more lanes to each gpu than x16 and x4

[arctic lotus]

because there are plenty of mobos with x16x4 that still support crossfire for example

[lusty tiger]

i dont think so

also:

[lusty tiger]

unless its x16/x0 or x8/x8 and x4

but i mean x16 x4 and x4

[arctic lotus]

so dual x8 is the electrical limitation

[lusty tiger]

yes

[arctic lotus]

ik that

but you can still run multi gpu on x16x4, its just worse cause less lanes for the 2nd one

[lusty tiger]

maybe....

you cant use 2 gpus anyway