💟 i am still building my first pc 💟 part ii

[fluid maple]

Oh I didn't meant to reply i was talking to dream

[trail kayak]

okay so here are the 20tb hdds

[fluid maple]

Mmmm random write speed be showing off

[solemn walrus]

look at 18TB

[pastel flax]

You don’t need 20 tb

[solemn walrus]

@pastel flax why r u still here

[trail kayak]

is 20tb smr?

[fluid maple]

GOOGLE IT

[median quail]

Dawg I said 12 is all you need max

[pastel flax]

I didnt leave after I got pinged 5 times when I left

[fluid maple]

lel

[trail kayak]

is 18tb where cmr start

[solemn walrus]

lmao ure so full of shit

[fluid maple]

Mr carrot is a legend

Was

Well yeah

[pastel flax]

Nah Dream and tf2 pinged me

Want proof

[solemn walrus]

no one did lol

for the past 20 minutes

[trail kayak]

can you reply woopy

[solemn walrus]

answer is: i dunno

[pastel flax]

This is one of the pinged

[solemn walrus]

lemme send this again

[median quail]

Seagate’s max out at 20 for their enterprise drives

[trail kayak]

then why start at 18tb lmao

[solemn walrus]

that was before you said you will leave

ure full of shit bro, stop making a fool of yourself

[pastel flax]

Yeah the second time I didn’t

[solemn walrus]

please its embarassing

its actually sad how pathetic

[pastel flax]

I ain’t making this a issue you are

[trail kayak]

this helps me none. i dont get this chart at all

[solemn walrus]

wat

[fluid maple]

Enterprise drives? They need to be big

[trail kayak]

all this tells me is that i can basically go 22 or 20 tb hdds and still get cmr

[solemn walrus]

name of the drive
if its those capacities under CMR
its CMR

[fluid maple]

Simple

[solemn walrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trail kayak]

so everything we were talking about for the last hour is wrong

[pastel flax]

Might have to look at the specific models product page

[median quail]

WD announced a 22 TB cmr drive in may of 2022

[trail kayak]

okay so then why not just go one of these then

[pastel flax]

Here’s one

Western Digital 22TB WD Red Pro NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - 7200 RPM, SATA 6 Gb/s, CMR, 512 MB Cache, 3.5" - WD221KFGX https://a.co/d/7FTlo6S

[proven fern]

Price

[loud berry]

This mf girl is insane

[proven fern]

That's literally the reason we gave the entire time

[solemn walrus]

idk its silly to but ig you can

[median quail]

because you dont need a 22TB hdd

[proven fern]

Price per gb is bad

[loud berry]

Creeper boy please give up and let her make poor decisions

[proven fern]

Also what creeper said

[solemn walrus]

dude

[trail kayak]

but all of these are cmr?? not smr??

[solemn walrus]

nothing she picked is needed

[median quail]

depends on the manufacturer

[pastel flax]

Yeah 10 or 12 id say is enough

[solemn walrus]

i guess

[trail kayak]

ig i will just start checking

[solemn walrus]

the ironwolf pro is cmr

[median quail]

yeah, i said that multiple times

[solemn walrus]

you could just go for that

[median quail]

just grab the WD one

[loud berry]

I think 1tb is enough but then again I am completely sane person

[solemn walrus]

1tb is not enough

[median quail]

not for bulk storage

[pastel flax]

I mean I use a 2 tb and a 500 gig boot

[pastel flax]

Yeah 2tb is perfect for me

[pastel flax]

I got a 970 evo plus 2tb for $60 last year lol

[solemn walrus]

1tb is like nothing

[pastel flax]

Fr

[trail kayak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/62pzK8/western-digital-gold-22-tb-35-7200-rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd221kryz
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bj26Mp/seagate-ironwolf-pro-nas-22-tb-35-7200-rpm-internal-hard-drive-st22000nt001
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gfmNnQ/seagate-exos-x22-22-tb-35-7200-rpm-internal-hard-drive-st22000nm001e
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ByjBD3/western-digital-red-pro-22-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd221kfgx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YYvdnQ/western-digital-purple-pro-22-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd221purp
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qfmNnQ/seagate-exos-x22-22-tb-35-7200-rpm-internal-hard-drive-st22000nm002e

[loud berry]

Fuck u got on those drives

[trail kayak]

okay yeah it didnt say shit

[pastel flax]

My steam library alone is 1TB

[trail kayak]

do they have product pages

[loud berry]

Ok then get 2tb

[solemn walrus]

bing is better fr

[pastel flax]

One sec I’ll find them

[median quail]

get the WD red pro 22TB if you want the most cmr capacity

[loud berry]

💯

Duckduckgo will give you the best results

[trail kayak]

why does wd have 3 22tb hdds if they are just different colors lmao

[solemn walrus]

fuck duckduckgo tbh

[fluid maple]

cough overpriced 4090

[loud berry]

#1 duckduckgo opp

[solemn walrus]

different colors mean different use

[loud berry]

Which 4090 she get?

[solemn walrus]

not that overpriced for a watercooled

[trail kayak]

what are they

[pastel flax]

Suprim

[loud berry]

Yo what wait

Imagine if she is creepeboy

[solemn walrus]

oh dream dream.. when will you learn..

[pastel flax]

No it’s good priced for water cooled just still

[loud berry]

And she is just messing with us all

[median quail]

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd?sku=WD221KFGX#WD221KFGX

specifically says its cmr

[fluid maple]

Well yeah but still I'm kinda against watercooling since nearly all 4090 cooler are overbuilt

[median quail]

heres your drive

[solemn walrus]

true

[loud berry]

She will have some complaint dude

[solemn walrus]

might fuck up compatibility as well

[pastel flax]

Def

[solemn walrus]

https://www.datahoards.com/hard-drive-colors/#:~:text=Western Digital (WD) 1 Green Green was chosen,6 Gold ... 7 White %2F Ultrastar

[trail kayak]

this is 2tb not 22tb

[fluid maple]

Yeah less intake space and hotter components

[median quail]

select the 22TB one lmao

[loud berry]

No it is not

[pastel flax]

Dream…………

[solemn walrus]

least of issues

[median quail]

also its not 2 TB, i linked the 22TB one

[fluid maple]

How can you be so clueless and "knowledgeable" as dream

[fluid maple]

Yeah main issue is the ram and storage

[trail kayak]

i can't find where it says cmr

[pastel flax]

It is cmr

[solemn walrus]

nah gl making those go hot

[fluid maple]

I gotta go because I'm seriously about to rage at her

[solemn walrus]

go watch oppenheimer

[fluid maple]

Yep

[solemn walrus]

dude

during the entire duration of the movie i had to go pee really badly

[solemn walrus]

so i was like 3x as focused

[trail kayak]

is this the product page?

[median quail]

yes

[trail kayak]

so it should be listed on the product page

[median quail]

the website i linked you. scroll down to "full specifications"

or click on the "specifications" tab

im done arguing about what the best choice is now. i will simply present my opinion, and let you decide what you want to do

[median quail]

why do you care anymore tho. you found the drive you want. 22TB with cmr

so you have optane as boot, t700 as game, and a WD red pro 22TB for bulk storage?

[pastel flax]

So we good on storage

[solemn walrus]

how do u plan on cooling the t700

[pastel flax]

What’s next?

[median quail]

mb heatsink

or the heatsink it probably comes with

[solemn walrus]

i dont think thats quite enough

[median quail]

?

why not

[pastel flax]

It is

[median quail]

It won’t be used to it’s full potential anyway

[solemn walrus]

gen 5 hottie

[loud berry]

I’m back from my break

[noble maple]

Ok

[tawdry ferry]

side note, the wd red pro are purely only cmr, the wd red (non-pro) are a mix of cmr and smr

[median quail]

That’s good to know

[tawdry ferry]

https://nascompares.com/answer/list-of-wd-cmr-and-smr-hard-drives-hdd/ use this for checking on hdd's that are not seagate

check using the model number/serial number

just doing it quickly to show

[tawdry ferry]

would have to be this, or a custom active one from the likes of thermalright

[median quail]

Lol another reason not to get gen 5

[tawdry ferry]

no, cmr starts from 1tb but it depends on what model line

[tawdry ferry]

it's one that benefits from custom loops for cooling sadly

[median quail]

Wow

[loud berry]

We still talking about hard drives

[tulip pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-sigh-tired-breathe-gif-3526751

[trail kayak]

i might not go hdd for durability reasons

[solemn walrus]

so then why were u talking about it 😭

[trail kayak]

also i cant show messages while on mobile sooo

[trail kayak]

because i might got hdd for capacity reasons

[solemn walrus]

wait

[trail kayak]

so ik where to look

[solemn walrus]

huh

[median quail]

The we red plus is going to be the same as any other

[trail kayak]

it looks like ssds are getting up to 16tb

thats honestly big enough and it meets the speed requirement of the bulk storage

[solemn walrus]

sure but its also $2000

[trail kayak]

why is it $2000 lmao

[solemn walrus]

expensive to produce

probably

[median quail]

Because nand flash is expensive compared to spinerinos

[trail kayak]

is the 16tb doing anything like smr or qlc to achieve these capacities?

[solemn walrus]

qlc

smr doesnt exist for ssds

[median quail]

Idk, that’s something for you to research

[solemn walrus]

oh

[trail kayak]

it seems there are only 5 ssds that at 16tb

[median quail]

There are some enterprise that are 30TB tlc, but they’re like 10k each

[solemn walrus]

the EX2 is tlc

[trail kayak]

so regular ssds have cell level too?

[solemn walrus]

uh

yeah?

[median quail]

Yeah lol

They all do

[solemn walrus]

theyre ssds lol

[trail kayak]

what cell level are most regular ssds?

ik most m.2s are tlc

[median quail]

Tlc for all

[solemn walrus]

...

its the same answer

[median quail]

Qlc if it’s cheaper or larger

[solemn walrus]

870 qvo

[trail kayak]

okay so then why even bother mentioning the ex2 is tlc

[solemn walrus]

cause i thought it was qlc

[median quail]

Tlc has a way higher write endurance

[solemn walrus]

the spreadsheet only has it up to 2TB

hm

[trail kayak]

or ig that just means these ssds arent cheating. its all native which is probably the reason for the price. its literally just an overlly manufactured ssd.

[solemn walrus]

the 16tb might be QLC then

[median quail]

What???

[trail kayak]

? not talking about this lol

[solemn walrus]

aaaaaaaaaanyway

[trail kayak]

so is the ex2 tlc or not

[solemn walrus]

i dunno

does it matter?

might be TLC

[trail kayak]

yeah its tlc

okay so then it is native

[median quail]

Fym native

[trail kayak]

thats the reason for the price

[solemn walrus]

what does blud mean by native

[median quail]

There’s no cache

[solemn walrus]

[trail kayak]

so that means 8tb ssds are the only option

[median quail]

No dram cache I should say

[trail kayak]

if i dont do hdd

[solemn walrus]

you could just go 4tb...

[median quail]

The thing is, why wouldn’t you?

[solemn walrus]

its a lot of storage pal

[median quail]

So? A 22TB hdd is gonna be cheaper than any ssd more than 4TB

But it is her choice

[solemn walrus]

4tb ssds r very cheap

id just go for one of those

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79NYcf/msi-spatium-m461-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m461-4tb buy this and dream on

[tawdry ferry]

just get 4x mx500 at 4tb each

[solemn walrus]

apparently 870 evo is cheaper rn

[tawdry ferry]

for up to 2tb it is over that it's going to have qlc nand instead

[tawdry ferry]

afaik, the mx500 is a little longer lasting

[tawdry ferry]

nope, for bulk storage 4tb would be more than enough tbh, barely any music or pictures will fill it up, only a collection of movies would be possible, or video edits

if you properly organise it, you'd figure out what size of drives you'd actually need, and still before that a mobo should have been decided on by now

[solemn walrus]

r u still blocked

[tawdry ferry]

fuck knows dude

[solemn walrus]

@trail kayak just in case

[tawdry ferry]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sR3L28

total of 24.5tb of storage

[solemn walrus]

oh btw, hx1500i is $280

[tawdry ferry]

true, though don't need to go over 1.2kw tbf

[solemn walrus]

true
but
$280

like $50 more

basically irrelevant

[tawdry ferry]

$11

[solemn walrus]

wat

[tawdry ferry]

the 1200 = 269

[solemn walrus]

no its $234

[tawdry ferry]

so only seeing an $11 difference

[lunar blaze]

it's $235 in the list I'm looking at

[tawdry ferry]

from where i'm looking at it

[tulip pelican]

I absolutely stole a EVGA SuperNova G2 1300w for $70 awhile back

Was a return on Amazon

[lunar blaze]

ah you have store filters set

[solemn walrus]

ayyy

[tulip pelican]

I was so happy ab that

[tawdry ferry]

nope, just let it show me the cheapest price from initial buying

[solemn walrus]

i paid $70 for my b12 bc750 or whatever the name is

[tulip pelican]

Nah I was just looking at them then went down to the used and refurbed option on the listing

[solemn walrus]

every store is amazon

[tulip pelican]

It said $70 and I was like NO WAY

[solemn walrus]

instead of this

[tawdry ferry]

yeah, didn't set it to do that at all

[tulip pelican]

The Montech Titan Gold 1200w I think is only $179 or sum

It’s a Tier A PSU

[lunar blaze]

the appeal of the 1500I would be the icue part, not the extra power in this case

[solemn walrus]

extra power is just a bonus

[tawdry ferry]

barely tbh

[lunar blaze]

and not that it matters much, but the newer design compared to the 1200

[tulip pelican]

Sorry I spoke wrong you can get the montech Titan gold 1200w for as low as $169

Return ofc. New it’s $199

[solemn walrus]

who would ever return that

[tulip pelican]

No idea 😂

Those are great PSUs

Tbh montech is doing pretty good in the past few years. Nice PSUs really nice budget cases etc

[trail kayak]

you literally spent all morning telling me how i shouldnt go a 22tb hdd???

[proven fern]

cause price wise it isnt but if you dont care about price either way it makes more sense than a 8tb ssd

[median quail]

What mage said

[tulip pelican]

I can’t imagine ever filling up 22tb of storage lol

[median quail]

Me either

[tulip pelican]

Tbh probably not even 8tb. I have 7 tb of storage on my pc and most of it is game storage lol

[proven fern]

i can

mainly cause i downlaod 4k movies]

[tulip pelican]

I only use 1.7tb of it too

[median quail]

she obviously doesnt care about price (t700 and optane), so a 22TB hdd would be way better than an 8+TB ssd

[tulip pelican]

22tb on 1 drive seems a waste tho. Me personally I’d rather have several 8tb drives If I needed that much storage

[median quail]

idk 🤷

[tulip pelican]

But in mass storage I’m a fan of raid so

[median quail]

idk how sata raid works, ive heard some motherboards dont support it. idk tho

[tulip pelican]

I’ve never seen a board that doesn’t support it. I just use software raid tho

Is all else fails buy a x4 raid card

[median quail]

at that point get a nas

[tulip pelican]

Yea

Rare cases but some have both in their PCs

JayzTwoCents did a review on a sick server case that was optimized for airflow and could also be used for gaming

[median quail]

yeah i think i saw that one

[trail kayak]

idek wym by this

what makes more sense than a 8tb ssd?

[tulip pelican]

22tb drive

[trail kayak]

how?

[tulip pelican]

Cause it’s bigger

https://tenor.com/view/confused-turn-around-what-wot-wat-gif-15539383

[median quail]

because its almost 3x the capacity for half the price

[noble maple]

🤯

[median quail]

and for "bulk storage", an hdd is fine

[tulip pelican]

Yea

[tawdry ferry]

i can, but due to different things

[tulip pelican]

Well for my personal use case

[tawdry ferry]

look, an 8tb nvme drive is going to cost you $1k

[median quail]

and a 22TB hdd is almost 3x the capacity for half the price

[tawdry ferry]

exactly, could even 2-4x 4tb drives for the same price

[median quail]

and raid them for data safety (but thats kinda optional)

[tawdry ferry]

sure though i wouldn't bother with that to much considering what she wants to do with it

especially if she tried to raid 10 it

[median quail]

thatd be stupid imo

id do raid 5

but depending on the case, itll probably only have 2 3.5" drive bays

she could get 22TB of redundant storage for the price of 8TB of straight ssd storage

[tawdry ferry]

can get adapters to have 2 ssd's per bay, or 4 ssd's over both bays

[median quail]

oh youre talking about ssds, mb

[tawdry ferry]

yeah

[trail kayak]

you were literally telling me the opposite earlier

[median quail]

i was?

[trail kayak]

yeah you basically said dont do a hdd because its smr and its slow and i dont need 22tb and that hdds are fragile

so like a lot of reasons to not go hdd

like to the point where i was like okay fine i will cross hdd off my list

[median quail]

no i said dont get an smr drive, get a cmr drive

[trail kayak]

yeah

[median quail]

if youre getting an hdd. and since you want an 8TB ssd at least, its much more cost effective to get an hdd instead

[trail kayak]

how does a hhdd come into play

[median quail]

wdym

[trail kayak]

like a hybrid drive

[proven fern]

it doesnt come into play

is your answer

[trail kayak]

thats not a good answer

[tawdry ferry]

you mean a sshd

[proven fern]

they dont even make them anymore

[trail kayak]

okay and

[tawdry ferry]

they're completely useless nowadays

[proven fern]

youre basically asking when like floppy discs come into play???

[trail kayak]

i mean we are talking about hdds

[pastel flax]

are we still on storage?

[median quail]

dont look into hybrid drives

[proven fern]

i just dont know what answer you want more than they arent coming into play

[trail kayak]

why are they bad then

[tawdry ferry]

remember, she wants to use optane, and a t700

[trail kayak]

are they like half hdd and half ssd

[proven fern]

i swear weeks ago we discussed them

in detail

[tawdry ferry]

one just totally bad due to age, the other bad due to temps

[proven fern]

when you were raving about pata

[trail kayak]

ik what they are

i never raved about pata

[tawdry ferry]

no, more like 4gb of ssd with the rest as hdd

[median quail]

just....ignore them

[tawdry ferry]

absolutely useless nowadays

[median quail]

dream if you wanna look into it, do it on your own time and dont message about it here plz

[fluid maple]

Very

Hdds are really hard to produce with high volumes since essentially you're stacking trillions of mangnets onto eachother with nanometer precision

[median quail]

you do realise hes talking about ssds right?

[fluid maple]

Ohh I thought they were hdds

I mean hdds are still pretty expensive to produce

[median quail]

not near as expensive though

[tawdry ferry]

cheaper to make a spinning disk than a series of nand chips tbh

[trail kayak]

i already know what hybrid drives are

[median quail]

ok?

[trail kayak]

it seems the max capacity they go to is 4tb

they seem p cheap tho

[median quail]

what did i say here

no one wants you to care about hybrid drives

[trail kayak]

im talking about a hybrid drive for a bulk drive

[median quail]

4TB is not a big enough bulk drive

[trail kayak]

???

you guys were saying it was

4tb seems fine also maybe

i wouldnt do 2tb tho for bulk

[median quail]

dont get a hybrid hdd. and if youre getting anything less than 8TB, an ssd will be better

[trail kayak]

okay

i agree on the 8tb part

[pastel flax]

3 days and still on storage….

[trail kayak]

but why not a hybrid at all?

its supposed to be like a hard drive but with nand on it right?

[median quail]

limited capacity, and not as fast as the same capacity ssd

[trail kayak]

how is it not as fast

dont they all use sata?

[median quail]

because it has a magnetic disk

hdds do not max out sata, while 2.5" ssds do

[trail kayak]

so the hdd part of the hybrid drive drags it down

[pastel flax]

Yes

[median quail]

yes

[median quail]

hence:

4TB or less, ssd, 8TB or more, hdd

[pastel flax]

For hybrids you’d be better getting a 5 tb ssd and a 5 tb hdd

[trail kayak]

ik this part too. do hybrids not max out sata as well?

[pastel flax]

I believe some do

Depends

[median quail]

it uses the extra nand for more often accessed files, which doesnt matter for a bulk drive

anyway, i gtg now, cya

[trail kayak]

okayy

[trail kayak]

lmk about the sata part when you get the chance

[pastel flax]

Most max out sata if it’s a good one but a low end one won’t max

Check the speed of the hybrid to the speed of the type of data

@trail kayak any particular hybrid your looking at

[trail kayak]

wow theres only 30 hybrid drives in existence

[pastel flax]

yeah there not popular

[trail kayak]

and no hybrid drive is nvme

[pastel flax]

yes because a nvme can not be a hdd

here is one hybrid that seems okay i still would recommend you buy a hybrid https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FireCuda-Accelerated-Performance-ST2000LX001/dp/B01M1NHCZT/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Hybrid+SSD&qid=1694908755&sr=8-4&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0

[tawdry ferry]

sshd's are no good for bulk storage

[tawdry ferry]

i would not, that is a really bad recomendation

[pastel flax]

its one of the best hybrids though hybrids are trash

[tawdry ferry]

which is what makes it a bad recomendation

[pastel flax]

yes but you know dream if she insists on something she wont listen to us

[tawdry ferry]

because she like to listen more to people who give bad advice than those that give good advice

[pastel flax]

fr

[median quail]

What about it

[median quail]

So say hybrid hdds have no benefit, and she’ll leave them alone

[tawdry ferry]

4gb of ssd, with the rest all being hdd, makes a 4tb sshd (hybrids) 3.96tb of hdd storage

it's basically like doing smr with a stupidly large cache

results no benefits at all as a bulk drive

and for a buld drive you'd have to look at what will be the most cost effective, aka price to GB

[median quail]

Isn’t that at like 10-12TB?

[tawdry ferry]

which for ssd's is 4tb, and hdd's 8-12tb

[median quail]

Yeah

[tawdry ferry]

on a hdd, 8-12tb will be the most cost effective area

14-18tb is where the pricing goes from being cost effective to barely worth it

and over 18tb to not being worth it at all unless you're a company with a big time server

i.e. ltt's petabyte build

[trail kayak]

do hybrids max out sata. yes or no

[tawdry ferry]

no

primarily due to the hdd side of it

[trail kayak]

ohh okay

oh thats rauko

[median quail]

so whats your storage choices?

[halcyon narwhal]

have we made any progress in the last 2 days?

[median quail]

idk

storage may or may not be chosen. i have yet to discover that for sure.

[noble maple]

not really

[halcyon narwhal]

lets go

[median quail]

what?

[halcyon narwhal]

were really going for the wr of longest pc build here

[median quail]

if youre not helping, leave

[halcyon narwhal]

im just here to watch man

[median quail]

then dont message in chat please

[halcyon narwhal]

[noble maple]

fr

[trail kayak]

does dram matter on a bulk drive?

cause its not like you'll need stuff loaded up

[tawdry ferry]

no but it's nicer to have

[trail kayak]

alr im off work. rauko is back

whats the difference between data transfer rate and read/write speed?

unless its just talking nvme vs sata

[noble maple]

how fast it transfers data

legit

[trail kayak]

is it talking about like

sata3

etc

[tawdry ferry]

yes

for a sata 2.5ssd it will be sata 3 speeds

[trail kayak]

if you are gonna have any moderate speed on a bulk drive. which ones matter for this

im p sure random r/w dont matter anymore

[noble maple]

im getting confused

ill be back later

[median quail]

you are correct

[noble maple]

i gotta help someone else

[trail kayak]

and the bulk drive doesnt do a lot of writing right?

so that p much just leaves sequential read speeds

[tawdry ferry]

not normally

[trail kayak]

cause writing would be for downloading

or video editing

so that means your games drive should have a good sequential write speed

[tawdry ferry]

it also doew random writes every time you access a file

namely when it updates when a file is last accessed

[trail kayak]

okay (the games drive right) i think ik that. the most important qd for the games drive is a moderate qd around qd4-qd8

but it depends

[tawdry ferry]

it's a small un-noticable write but it happens

[trail kayak]

okay

[median quail]

aka random speed is not important

[trail kayak]

so the most important speed metric for a bulk drive would be

#1 sequential reads
#2 sequential writes
#3 randoms.

is it possible to go an nvme drive for a bulk drive?

cause you could go a qlc drive

[tulip pelican]

its just not gonna be cheap and qlc slows down alot when it gets close to full

[trail kayak]

it seems like the hdd battle is between seagate and wd. which one of those 2 is better?

[median quail]

i mean yeah, but why would you. an hdd or a couple 4TB sata ssds are way more cost effective

[tulip pelican]

plus the tbw is lower

[trail kayak]

and mbs usually offer 2x, 4x, or 6x sata ports off the chipset

so might as well use them

[tawdry ferry]

4 or 6 mainly

[median quail]

its gonna be 4 at least for am5

[trail kayak]

ive seen 2

[tawdry ferry]

though you'll be seeing 4 sata ports most of the time

[trail kayak]

yep

[median quail]

im excluding a620 because its not for your budget

[tulip pelican]

i think my board has 6

[tawdry ferry]

that's itx only

[median quail]

anyway, dream, what are your storage choices

[trail kayak]

i have zero selected right now

[median quail]

you said you wanted the t700 tho right?

[trail kayak]

yeah for the games drive

plenty of storage for games or video

[median quail]

and which optane for your boot?

[trail kayak]

great seq speeds for anything of that nature

but the t700 is also really good at randoms for being a regular drive

almost on par with optane

well not really, but higher than average for regular drives

probably the p1600x 118 gb

[median quail]

thats just because its gen 5

[trail kayak]

the sabrent is better

[median quail]

but whatever

[tawdry ferry]

in all that's unholy, getting a t700 as a games drive is one of the dumbest things to do

[trail kayak]

but it will secondary as video editing

so thats nice

[median quail]

separate those drives imo

[tawdry ferry]

it needs active fucking cooling

[trail kayak]

plus 990 pro speeds without having to buy two 990 pros

[tawdry ferry]

and games should be separate from videos

[trail kayak]

it has a heatsink

[trail kayak]

whyy

[tawdry ferry]

gen 5 drives really need active not passive cooling

[median quail]

spreading out drive wear

[tawdry ferry]

recorded vids will take up the space quicker

and most games are 60gb+

[median quail]

you really want to the t700?

[trail kayak]

probably yeah. but ig i will consider splitting the games and video editing drives up

[tulip pelican]

yea that heat sync doesn't really do shit lol

[trail kayak]

but back to bulk drive.

[median quail]

just get a wd red pro and call it a day ffs

[tulip pelican]

anything over like 55c and the drives start to suffer in performance from my experience

[trail kayak]

opinions on seagate vs wd

[median quail]

i think they're pretty similar

[trail kayak]

why red instead of gold

[tulip pelican]

read is more durable for constant writing

[median quail]

gold is for enterprise/datacenter, and red is for consumer nas

[tulip pelican]

Purple is the most durable but its pretty slow

they use it for survelliance drives

[median quail]

so rule that out

and you dont need a gold drive, so rule that out too. and wd red non pro only goes up to 6TB and its mostly SMR

[tulip pelican]

They're okay for data not being accessed much but being wrote to alot

[median quail]

which is not this

[tulip pelican]

right

[tawdry ferry]

gold is for enterprise use, just like seagate exos's, red pro has better endurance over purples due to being designed for nas use and the purples are designed for use in dvr's

personally i'm more a fan of seagate ironwolfs

[trail kayak]

whats a dvr

[median quail]

......google it

[trail kayak]

theres a really good ironwolf ive already found

[tawdry ferry]

digital video recorder, aka cctv/home security

[trail kayak]

that is faster than optane

[tawdry ferry]

you do not use a hdd for boot/os

it's not 1998

[trail kayak]

yeah so the random on the ironwolf is pointless

interesting tho

240 MB/s ironwolf NAS 8tb

[median quail]

theyre really similar

[tawdry ferry]

and that ironwolf only has a cache of 64mb

[median quail]

how much capacity do you want for the drive

[tawdry ferry]

showing it's a cmr drive

[trail kayak]

is 256mb low

[median quail]

how much capacity do you want for the drive, dream

[trail kayak]

as much as possible

nothing lower than 4tb

[tawdry ferry]

nope, considering it's a cmr drive for that one, still though, save some money add get the 5400/5900 rpm one

[trail kayak]

4tb is bare min and i wouldnt be super excited over 4tb

[pastel flax]

Well what do you plan on storing like just games or videos or what

Because of its just games and a few other small things you’d be good with just a big nvme

Like 4tb

[median quail]

not games, she has a different nvme for games

and yes itll be 4TB

[trail kayak]

and in this case i would want smr right

if i go hdd

[pastel flax]

Okay

[median quail]

no, cmr. theres no reason to go high enough to require smr

[pastel flax]

You want cmr

[pastel flax]

If you were to buy a smr drive it is almost impossible to notice the difference

[median quail]

get around a 10TB Ironwolf or WD Red pro and itll be perfect

[pastel flax]

^

[trail kayak]

only the seq read speed is relevant right?

[median quail]

mostly

[pastel flax]

I believe so

[trail kayak]

the point is for capacity. i think i would notice that

[tawdry ferry]

it's noticable more at a larger size tbh

[median quail]

if you need 22TB, then whatever. get a 22TB ironwolf pro or wd red pro, but its not recommended

[trail kayak]

i added those to the list

[median quail]

those are the only two you should consider

[pastel flax]

Ah

[median quail]

why are you making this so difficult? it shouldnt be this complicated

[pastel flax]

Dream if I were you I’d go 500 gig boot nvme 4tb nvme and 10 tb wb red pro

[median quail]

^^^^^^

[trail kayak]

so dont go one of these if i go ssd?

[tawdry ferry]

you wouldn't notice it on a 2tb, but on a 8tb you'd notice due to how long it takes to write to the drive

[median quail]

$2000 is not worth it at all

[pastel flax]

You could but they are extremely overpriced

[tawdry ferry]

no as two of them are sas

[median quail]

if you want ultimate price/GB, get a 10TB. if you want ultimate capacity, get a 22TB drive

[trail kayak]

it says sata not sas

2 of them are sas tho

[pastel flax]

@tawdry ferry The top 2 are sata

[median quail]

theyre also qlc btw

[trail kayak]

isnt qlc the way to go for bulk drive

you dont want tlc

[pastel flax]

So yes you get a ssd but it’s not worth $2000

[median quail]

get a 16TB hdd instead of a 16TB ssd

[tawdry ferry]

you'd want tlc not qlc

[trail kayak]

why

[tawdry ferry]

for the better endurance

[pastel flax]

Tlc is faster I believe

[pastel flax]

I was wrong this

[trail kayak]

but i wont be writing to the drive i thought

[median quail]

just.....no more than 4TB for an ssd

period

[tawdry ferry]

fractionally slower over qlc for bit's transfered but has a better endurance compared to qlc

[median quail]

its not cost effective to go higher, not even close

[pastel flax]

^

[trail kayak]

i wont be writing on the drive tho

[median quail]

get an hdd

[pastel flax]

Exactly

[median quail]

the max you'll spend is like $420 (nice)

[pastel flax]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[median quail]

instead of $2k

[trail kayak]

here are the 8tb options

for ssds

[median quail]

fuck 8TB

no more than 4TB for an ssd

please

[pastel flax]

I would suggest more than 4tb for a ssd

[median quail]

no

just no

[pastel flax]

Wait fuck said it wrong

Meant less than*

[trail kayak]

heres the 8tb options only with the sata ssds

[median quail]

good

[median quail]

i will restate: no more than 4TB for ssds

[tawdry ferry]

everytime you put something on the drive, you write to it, when you access a file, you write to it

[pastel flax]

^

[median quail]

the price difference is astronomical

[trail kayak]

the 870 qvo seems good

ive heard great things about that drive

[median quail]

its qlc af

[trail kayak]

thats like the whole point of qlc tho

[pastel flax]

It’s not the best

[trail kayak]

to be a bulk drive

its basically smr but for ssds

[pastel flax]

All drives are “bulk drives”

[trail kayak]

different technology tho obviously

[median quail]

half the price cough cough
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B084ZV4DXB/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=ironwolf+8tb&sr=8-3

[pastel flax]

cough cough

[trail kayak]

yeah but hdds are lower durability

[median quail]

are they though?

[pastel flax]

I’m sorry what?

[trail kayak]

i mean yeah

[pastel flax]

Hdds last a lot longer

So much less to go wrong than in a ssd

[median quail]

i highly doubt that

[trail kayak]

you guys went on for days about how i should never go an ssd + hdd route

[median quail]

that was when you were doing van life

and qlc is 100% less durable than an hdd

[trail kayak]

no its not

[median quail]

yes it is

[trail kayak]

it has less write endurance

but that doesnt matter if you arent writing to the drive

qlc is great for cold storage

[median quail]

ok fine, get whatever you want

[pastel flax]

Your not doing cold storage smh

Cold storage is where you put files in and basically forget about it

[median quail]

my advice:

Don't get larger than 4TB SSDs
if you're going for ultimate Price/GB, get a 8-12TB HDD.
if you're going for ultimate Capacity, get a 22TB HDD.

[tawdry ferry]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M1BUBSO/ cheaper

[trail kayak]

okay now give me this in a SSD version

[pastel flax]

Couldn’t agree more

[pastel flax]

There is no ssd version

[median quail]

i said no more than 4TB

[trail kayak]

wheres the 2nd half

[median quail]

thats my advice for SSDs

[trail kayak]

if you're going for ultimate Price/GB,
if you're going for ultimate Capacity,

cmon

[median quail]

im not familiar with high capacity SSDs

[pastel flax]

Cus there not good

[median quail]

dont get ssds for bulk storage over 4TB. thats my advice

[trail kayak]

heres all the m.2 ssds for 8tb

[pastel flax]

N

O

[trail kayak]

i should probably consider aic storage too

[pastel flax]

Dont get over 4tb for bulk storage as creeper and I have said 1000 times

[median quail]

no bc theres not enough pcie lanes for one

[pastel flax]

Oh god no

[trail kayak]

wdym

[median quail]

unless you wanna have x8 for your gpu and x8 for your aic (effectively making half the slots on it useless)

[median quail]

motherboards wont have 2 x16 (electrically) pcie slots

[trail kayak]

pcpp is talking about physical

[pastel flax]

?

[median quail]

@trail kayak

[trail kayak]

i can just plug it in to the other physical x16 slot

the worse one

[median quail]

just because you can physically fit it in, doesnt mean itll all work

[median quail]

youll only be able to use 2 out of the 4 slots on the aic

and its not worth getting more than 4 m.2s anyway

[trail kayak]

im p sure it doesnt require x16 electrically

[median quail]

move to 2.5"

[median quail]

it does, trust me

[trail kayak]

well i mean

i will check

[median quail]

it bifricates x16 into 4 x4

and if you dont have x16 electrically, it will make some nonfunctional

[trail kayak]

8tb m.2s are half the price of 16tb sata ssds lmao.

[median quail]

so?

[trail kayak]

22tb hdd = $500
16tb sata ssds = $2000
8tb m.2 ssds = $1000
8tb sata ssds = $500

[median quail]

are you really gonna spend $2000 on bulk storage?

[tawdry ferry]

and 2x4tb ssd's = 400

[median quail]

do i have to say it again:

Don't get larger than 4TB SSDs
if you're going for ultimate Price/GB, get an 8-12TB HDD.
if you're going for ultimate Capacity, get a 22TB HDD.

[tawdry ferry]

2x 4tb ssd's = 1/5th the price of a 16tb ssd/ 2/5th's the price of a 8tb ssd

[median quail]

ive given my advice. now its her choice what to do. nothing else to say really....

[tawdry ferry]

result being for bulk you go by what's cost effective

[tawdry ferry]

you mean raid cards/m.2 expansion card

as it's not classed as an aic

[median quail]

yes, she said she "needed to look into one"

and i very much advised against it

[tawdry ferry]

ffs, for the likes of the honeybadger/ asus hyper raid you have to put it in the top pcie x16 slot

[median quail]

and then not have a gpu

[tawdry ferry]

for her specific use, it's as dumb as getting optane for boot and a t700 for games

[median quail]

which is not possible for this build

[tawdry ferry]

you will but it will be on the next pcie x6 slot that in all likely will be electrically wired as pcie x4

[median quail]

unless its one that splits x8/x8 which many do

[tawdry ferry]

that's the top slot 90% of the time

[median quail]

i dont even want to think about how it would work. its just too stupid

[tawdry ferry]

and for doing a m.2 raid card, there is a nvme raid option where it makes an x16 slot do 4x pcie x4

[trail kayak]

which range was below the 22tb that i should look at for hdds

[median quail]

8-12TB for maximum Price/GB

[trail kayak]

the ones that are cmr

[tawdry ferry]

for cost effectiveness, 8-12tb

[tawdry ferry]

seagate ironwolf, wd red pro

[tawdry ferry]

toshiba p300 also

[median quail]

stop looking at ssds

please

[tawdry ferry]

fuck no

that is pure garbage for the price

[median quail]

wait wtf is that

[tawdry ferry]

$1k for 240gb storage

[median quail]

240GB sata 6Gb/s for 1k???

why does that even exist

is it slc or something

[trail kayak]

i just wanted to see what you guys would say lmao

[median quail]

bruh

[tawdry ferry]

that's classed as trolling

[median quail]

just pick a hdd ffs

[trail kayak]

here's this one

[tawdry ferry]

no

no enterprise drives

[median quail]

Ironwolf or Wd Red Pro 8-12TB

[trail kayak]

why not this one?

[tawdry ferry]

just these

[trail kayak]

its literally on pcpp

[median quail]

no enterprise bruh

[trail kayak]

why

[tawdry ferry]

it's an enterprise drive, you're not making a fucking server

[trail kayak]

why does that matter

[median quail]

because youre not a datacenter

[trail kayak]

what does the enterprise drive do differently

[median quail]

and you dont need to spend extra on a datacenter drive

[trail kayak]

im not spending extra

i sorted by price / gb

[median quail]

theyre literally more expensive, yes you are

[trail kayak]

its literally the most cost effective drive on pcpp

[tawdry ferry]

no it's not

not for price per gb

[trail kayak]

oh wait i still had sata on the filter

[median quail]

smh

**Ironwolf or Wd Red Pro 8-12TB **

[tawdry ferry]

that drive is designed for use in something like this

[tawdry ferry]

can tell you straight away that barracuda is a no

[trail kayak]

theres always this one

[median quail]

if you send another shitpost like that im reporting you

[trail kayak]

its not even a shitpost

lmao

[median quail]

fym

[tawdry ferry]

<@&750150305383186585> trolling in their own post

[median quail]

$7500?

[trail kayak]

im not buying it

[median quail]

dont message about it then

ffs

[trail kayak]

why?

[median quail]

if youre not buying/considering it, dont mention it

[trail kayak]

im wondering why its so expensive

like whats the point

[tawdry ferry]

it's a fucking sas drive

[median quail]

keep that wondering to yourself, look it up on your own, and dont bother us with it

[trail kayak]

that doesnt matter

[tawdry ferry]

it does

[trail kayak]

sas doesnt make it $7500

[median quail]

also the way you phrased that message made it seem like you were considering it

[trail kayak]

no it didnt lmao

[tawdry ferry]

yes, yes it did

[median quail]

to me it did, and probably rauko too soooo

yeah

dont tell me what i thought you meant smh

[trail kayak]

these 2 are the most cost effective

[median quail]

not. datacenter.

[trail kayak]

im adding the x20

[median quail]

how the everloving fuck is that 20TB hdd $280

[trail kayak]

it's cheap

idk

bonus points for being enterprise idgaf

no reason not to go enterprise then damn

[tawdry ferry]

sale, normally that's a $400-500 drive

[trail kayak]

it doesnt say its on sale

i guess the new normal is $280

[median quail]

imma say this 1 more time and head out.
**Ironwolf or Wd Red Pro 8-12TB **

thats all i have to say, so cya

[trail kayak]

🤔

[civic sail]

hold on is this still on the topic of storage?

[trail kayak]

i gtg too. im gonna go clean out my car

[tawdry ferry]

been over a month and we've not left it

[civic sail]

god damn

[median quail]

Tbf we switched topics a couple times, but within that time, the pc should have already been built

[tawdry ferry]

could have been built 3-4 times over

[median quail]

Probably

I was being pretty generous

But now I actually need to go now lol 😂🥹😭

[trail kayak]

alr im back

damn that took me 3 hours

that's insane

i actually am considering these

i dont usually consider budget options but this is really nice

[solemn walrus]

whatever

not like you listen to suggestions

[velvet spade]

damn this got me excited but the deal is USA exclusive 😭

still 500 here

[median quail]

Put that as number 1 and choose an ironwolf 8-12TB for number 2 in case it changes

[loud berry]

Nooo 😭😭

Only 12 terabytes I’m going to pitch a fit

[loud berry]

Ikr

These people have an amazing amount of patience

[median quail]

???

[loud berry]

I’m being sarcastic

[tawdry ferry]

these are not budget options at all in regards to hdd's as they're enterprise drives

a budget option would be buying a seagate barracuda drive

[median quail]

It’s just because it’s on sale

Which is why I said have a 2nd option for if the sale ends (which it probably will)

[tawdry ferry]

yup

[pastel flax]

How are we still on storage

[median quail]

I think we’re done. Given how long this has been taking though, that sale will probably be over by the time she buys stuff

[tawdry ferry]

most definitely

[median quail]

No one’s fault but hers tho

[proven fern]

still need psu, case, mb picked

did she even pick the cpu cooler

[median quail]

Nope

[trail kayak]

its not on sale

[median quail]

Yes it is

[trail kayak]

that's just the new price

the t700 is on sale

[median quail]

There’s no fucking way a 20TB hdd is $280

[trail kayak]

which i am worried about

[median quail]

Maybe don’t research as much then (you don’t need to anyway and there’s no point)

[trail kayak]

wow this opinion is worthless to me

[tawdry ferry]

nope, it's from someone who'll get agreed with as the level of research you done, really won't help you make a better pc

[trail kayak]

honestly, if im going 4tb, im just gonna go another t700 lmao

[tawdry ferry]

it'll help you over spend on a fuck ton of parts that will not give you want you want in the end

[median quail]

Like for the psu, the bequiet dark power 13 is what you should get. It has all the features you could want.

[tawdry ferry]

so would the corsair personally

[trail kayak]

no point in getting some wacky 4tb sata ssd or some cheap 4tb hdd

[pastel flax]

Meanwhile the best opinion today:

[median quail]

Why the fuck not

[median quail]

Which Corsair one?

[trail kayak]

i already said, if im going 4tb for bulk drive. im just going to go t700. that is final

[pastel flax]

You ain’t getting a 20 tb for $300 it’s amazing it’s $280

[median quail]

Yeah, it’s on sale

[pastel flax]

so should do less research and buy it

[tawdry ferry]

rm shift (depending on case) rmx/rme and hx/hxi tbh

[trail kayak]

but its eNtErPrIsE

[tawdry ferry]

meanwhile having to buy active cooling due to how hot it gets

[median quail]

The fuck does that matter

[trail kayak]

you and rauko spent ALL NIGHT LAST NIGHT

telling me how i shouldnt get it because it is enterprise

[tawdry ferry]

i spent only an hour or 3

because enterprise drives are never worth in for the average user, it's also a dumb choice for your own build

[median quail]

I mean if it’s still on sale when you buy, by all means buy it. But I’m guessing it won’t be so get a 2nd choice.

[trail kayak]

like, im p suree there is something wrong with enterprise. so i kind of dont want it now.

[median quail]

There’s nothing wrong with it, they’re just usually more expensive (and not worth it for home use)

[trail kayak]

dont want a cheap enterprise because something is wrong with it

[median quail]

It’s literally just on sale ffs

[trail kayak]

what does money have to do with this bffr

that's not the reason you guys were saying not to buy it last night

[proven fern]

they were mainly saying this from a price pov but you clearly dont care that much about spending a lot

[trail kayak]

i want to know the real reason

[tawdry ferry]

newegg pricing, definitely more of a sale price before black friday/cyber monday happens

[trail kayak]

never have. i just want the "best" stuff not the price / perf stuff

[median quail]

Ok, then get the 20TB enterprise

It’s the “best” as you say

[trail kayak]

how many times do i gotta say

[median quail]

Idfc

[tawdry ferry]

where they'll aim to make it look cheaper at a higher price on black friday

[median quail]

Now we done with storage, so let’s move on

[trail kayak]

what was wrong with it before???

[tawdry ferry]

then you're going to have a harsh realitiy

[trail kayak]

what does enterprise do that's different???

[trail kayak]

no i am not

[proven fern]

overspends on parts now just to have every single one of them not be top spec in 6months

[tawdry ferry]

nzxt aio, one of the dearest coolers, absolutely the most shitiest cooler and product to get at nearly $300

[tawdry ferry]

yes you are

[tawdry ferry]

which out of it, only 2 of them will be

arctic liquid freezer, best aio out there, and absolutely one of the cheapest coolers to get for $90-160

second best cooler out there is the deepcool ls/lt series's

and that's around the same price

a matchable aio in performance as the deepcool aio's is the frozen notte from thermaltake, around the same pricing also

and as you can see from the examples i put, the best coolers are way cheaper than any brand labelled as "high end" when they're not even high end themself

the best air cooler only costs $30-40

and that's a thermalright peerless assassin

[trail kayak]

22tb hdd = $500 ❌
20tb hdd = $400 ❌
18tb hdd = $300 ❌
16tb sata ssds = $2000 ❌
8tb m.2 ssds = $1000
8tb sata ssds = $500
4tb t700 = $375
2tb Hybrid drives = $100 ❌

here are the options i am considering

[tawdry ferry]

the second best air cooler is a deepcool at $60-70

[tawdry ferry]

bad for their prices

really bad if you consider the cooling needed for a t700

[trail kayak]

these are just approximate average prices

why are we talking about coolers lmao

[tawdry ferry]

because that affects the performance of your cpu, and in this case the ssd's

for the t700 you would need to use something like this https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-HR10-2280-PRO-Black/dp/B0C4JMPV6B/r

[trail kayak]

im on storage

[tawdry ferry]

to realistically keep it's temps in check for use

[tawdry ferry]

and yet you want to go for a gen 5 nvme drive that really doesn't work unless it's actively cooled really

[trail kayak]

you really think i need a mini fan on a heatsink for the t700 lmao

[tawdry ferry]

yes, the faster a nvme drive gets by generation, the higher the heat out put it has

and from that the more it'll need an active cooler

i just also linked one of the best nvme coolers to use without going for custom liquid cooling loops

[median quail]

Lasts longer

[trail kayak]

WTF DO YOU MEAN

it lasts longer and youre trying to keep it away from me????

[median quail]

Means it’s made to a higher quality standard

And can withstand more vibrations

[trail kayak]

omfg

[median quail]

And it’s more expensive, meant for data centers, and not needed for you

[tawdry ferry]

it has the highest endurance for hdd's to have, but within that you may need to mount it differently

[median quail]

But you want it so Idfc

[trail kayak]

so what youre saying is this

nothing is wrong with enterprise except that it's usually more expensive so you guys dont want me to buy it.

[median quail]

Yes

[tawdry ferry]

i.e. buying antivibration mounting

[trail kayak]

wtf is wrong with you people

[tawdry ferry]

buying antivirbration screws

[median quail]

But anyway, since you want that, is all your storage chosen?

[trail kayak]

things could have gone a lot faster if we stopped trying to convince me to buy some budget pick

[median quail]

…..

[trail kayak]

no it's not what i want now lmao it's too late.

ive already decided on double t700s

[tawdry ferry]

what your brain is not getting, despite having the best endurance you still need to protect it

[median quail]

What?

[median quail]

……..ok

You have fun cooling them

So it’s a p1600x and 2x t700s?

[trail kayak]

i dont even believe you lmao

[tawdry ferry]

the moment it thermal throttles into not working because you want to do dumb takes

[median quail]

Selectively accepting advice is the worst decision you could ever make

[trail kayak]

alr i will call you up 🤳

[solemn walrus]

well, she wants them to throttle so be it

[tawdry ferry]

and i'm the one who wants to literally do an overkill cooling for their own setup as a "just because i can"

[trail kayak]

i havent seen any smidge of proof that it gets hotter

[median quail]

Fucking look it up

[trail kayak]

not a word about needing to cool it lmao

the heatsink should be fine

[trail kayak]

link

[tawdry ferry]

t700 review on kitguru, as the ssd is getting benchmarked

[trail kayak]

wtf kitguru

[tawdry ferry]

google it

[trail kayak]

no

[tawdry ferry]

yes

[trail kayak]

alr so back to mbs

[tawdry ferry]

a well known and respected tech reviewer

[trail kayak]

ill let chat know when im done

[solemn walrus]

idk how you find so much shit to nitpick that storage takes like a week

[tawdry ferry]

the amount of builds i've helped people with would shock her

@median quail how many builds you've helped with dude?

@solemn walrusi know you've helped with a fuck ton of builds yourself dude

[trail kayak]

alr i have updated the post with the new official picks

[fervent nebula]

I can vouch that

[trail kayak]

#1148416529172537354 message

[tawdry ferry]

61c, the temperature a ssd is thermal throttling at, and for some, they absolutely stop working at

but according to you "that's fine"

[trail kayak]

also changed the budget back to 7k cause someone said the budget was only 3k the other day lmao

[tawdry ferry]

seems a t700 sucks at large file transfers let alone large game downloads for steam

it absolutely slows down for them

the so called "best" drive you wanted really not that good for games

[solemn walrus]

im listening to an audiobook rn cause i dont feel like reading what have i becomr

[tawdry ferry]

fair enough dude, what's the name of the audio book ?

[solemn walrus]

harap-alb

its for school

[tawdry ferry]

ah, fair enough

[solemn walrus]

ill tell u what its about about when i finish it

[solemn walrus]

if i had a cent for every time i did, id purchase the payday 3 1 year pass

[trail kayak]

okay so can confirm. expansion slots does not mean m.2 slots lol

is bluetooth not automatically on mbs?