💟 i am still building my first pc 💟 part ii

[drifting pebble]

most of it is on my nas

[median quail]

what are you trying to figure out with this conversation???

[trail kayak]

so why do you personally not like having a pics folder inside your everything drive?

does saving a new pic or download a new song count as a write?

[tawdry ferry]

it does

[median quail]

^

[tawdry ferry]

my anime vs other films

[drifting pebble]

My other 800GB of media is on my nas lol

[trail kayak]

well then pics and music arent really good for everything drive then

cause i save a lot of pics

and a lot of music

[median quail]

A tlc ssd will last ages

But you can add your own pics/music drive

It’s your choice

[trail kayak]

yeah but a qlc ssd will be not good for everything drive then

[drifting pebble]

it doesn't really matter tbh

[median quail]

Just get a couple 4tb tlc ssds for files and games, and you’ll be set

You can also get sata ssds for files if you want. Storage is all up to you for the number of drives

[tawdry ferry]

i have 2 vids i want to send purely as replies to certain convo's but.... i'd be reported for meme/shitposting

[tawdry ferry]

for mass storage this would be ideal, be much easier for pics/music storage

[median quail]

Crucial mx500 4tb 👌

[tawdry ferry]

and pics take up way less space so you'd only need a tiny drive for it

[tawdry ferry]

that's tbh, actually a really ideal games sata ssd

[tawdry ferry]

2tb version of said drive

[median quail]

It’s just really great sata ssd

[median quail]

Lol nice

[median quail]

You could probably just use your boot drive right?

[tawdry ferry]

can't deny how good it is, and tbf, the only drive i have that has dram cache on it

[tawdry ferry]

i could but there's a few pics there i don't ever want to lose

[median quail]

Hmm yeah

You can do backups too

[tawdry ferry]

if i ever lost them, lets just say it'll be messy

[median quail]

Fair enough

[trail kayak]

so the boot drive has the highest chance of basically getting corrupted

[tawdry ferry]

i have done that essentially though have a half finished nas that will be for back ups

[tawdry ferry]

any drive does, just those that hardly know much, end up corrupting that the most

[median quail]

It’s written the most because of windows

[tawdry ferry]

prime attack vector of any pc is the OS

[trail kayak]

yeah all good reasons to not have your pictures on the boot drive

but yeah music and pics dont take up a lot of space but they count as a write tho

whats the endurance on tlc vs qlc?

what unit does endurance use today

i tried looking it up

but i couldnt find it

[tawdry ferry]

all good reasons to not have anything other than the os, drivers and main launchers on the boot drive**

[trail kayak]

how much space do drivers take up

[tawdry ferry]

TBW, aka terrabyte writes

[trail kayak]

okay thats what i found but i thought it was wrong

tb written

[tawdry ferry]

by their name sakes

[trail kayak]

so it says 100 - 800 tbw for endurance

that means if i save 100tb of pictures to the qlc drive and it's 8tb it will die

[tawdry ferry]

aka, a 3.5 inch drive = 3.5inch wide

[trail kayak]

what happens after that?

read only?

[tawdry ferry]

read only

[trail kayak]

okay

[tawdry ferry]

and that's after it reaches 100-800TB written to the drive

depending on drive capacity

[trail kayak]

so i can still take them off the drive since transfer reads off the drive and writes to another. that's good at least

so honestly then, qlc is still good for pictures, music, videos and everything. it just might fill up fast and then you might need to transfer to a new drive or multiple drives one day

[tawdry ferry]

still though, choose your boot drive first so everyone knows what it'll be

[trail kayak]

if you transfer 8tb of data over to a new drive that should really only be 8 / 100 writes. if that

and qlc should be more than 100tbw then

[tawdry ferry]

and yet, boot drive, what will it be?

mp33?
sn570?
p300?
p310?
mp34?

[trail kayak]

is watching movies just reading

is there any benefit to having a drive for just one game?

also what did you multipartition your hdd for?

[tawdry ferry]

all those in grey

[trail kayak]

yeah

[tawdry ferry]

so a 2tb drive split as 1tb for video's, 640gb for downloads, 240gb for games downloads/mods

[trail kayak]

why do you keep your mods separate from your games drive

[tawdry ferry]

well a mod is usually in a zipped archive and needs to be unzipped before adding to the game

and tbh, i have some of them kept more as a backup of what's being used

one folder in that is full of scripts for a browser based game to give it extra functionality

[trail kayak]

oh so you keep the zipped files just in case

[tawdry ferry]

yup

[trail kayak]

couldnt you keep the zipped files in the games drive and unzip to the same drive tho

[tawdry ferry]

though once i've fully built my nas completely, then i can just offload most of what i have and just remotely access some of it for use

[tawdry ferry]

not really, it if a game got corrupted and i had to wipe the drive, i'd lose all the mods

[trail kayak]

oh okay so the game drive could also get corrupted because of 1 game?

[tawdry ferry]

it could get corrupted due to a mod

[trail kayak]

so that's why a game drive is good too, cause if 1 game corrupted the whole drive then you could lose all your pics and music on an everything drive

[tawdry ferry]

and you're one of the people who'd benefit from multiple drives

[trail kayak]

so i think the dram technically uses ddr4

[tawdry ferry]

lpddr3/lpddr4

[median quail]

What’s the verdict for storage?

[pastel flax]

I don’t think they have even started which model deciding yet

[median quail]

Bruh

Oh they actually said less than I thought

[median quail]

Aight that’s bullshit

[pastel flax]

This ^

[trail kayak]

what is 2x2

[undone sparrow]

That’s a question to ask google

[loud berry]

I’m sure creeper boy knows

[median quail]

Lmao I wish

[noble maple]

LETS GO

I CAN TALK NOW

IDEK WHAT I DID WRONG

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[noble maple]

i legit told you twice before

go google it

[median quail]

Select that message, right click on it, and click “search with google”

[noble maple]

🤯

this is a certified bran moment

[noble maple]

4 🤯

jokes

[median quail]

Where did you find this?

https://www.servethehome.com/new-dual-port-nvme-ssds-intel-dc-d3700-dc-d3600/

Looks like a kind of ssd that can be accessed by two systems, like some sas only drives for high availability

this was the top result

Why the hell are you still looking at enterprise drives

[noble maple]

fr

enterprise drives are for

enterprise stuff!!!!!

[median quail]

Did we not make this clear:
You. Do. Not. Need. Enterprise.
it will be more expensive for no benefit

[midnight nova]

Just troll till the ball actually rolls

Then only OP will be dissatisfied, everyone gangsta

[median quail]

Hell nah, if you’re not helping, leave or I’ll report you

[noble maple]

dr suess frfr

troll till it rolls

lmao

[midnight nova]

love how troll appears in the phrase “it rolls”

[noble maple]

🤯

[midnight nova]

anagram for “is troll”

[median quail]

Bruh

[noble maple]

bro is smart goddamn

[noble maple]

@trail kayak follow this advice

for the 15th time or whatever

[median quail]

Do not troll, or I’ll report you

[noble maple]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

nah jk

[midnight nova]

Haven’t even spoken for a month

or less

[noble maple]

i got timed out for "shitposting"

all i did was get pissed

[midnight nova]

it just turns out my oxygen supply is free

And I need to breathe or 100% oxygen concentration will become poisonous :p

[median quail]

Are you shitposting?

[midnight nova]

No

Who is?

[median quail]

Wth is that then

[midnight nova]

alr

How highly does she think of the 990 pro for a boot drive?

or is it on death row bc SAS drives are the new GOAT

[median quail]

Idk, only need gen 3, especially for a boot drive

[midnight nova]

seems to me her plan is to build a PC, NAS, server simultaneously

[median quail]

Not nas

[midnight nova]

Mentioned it bc of all the drives she’s hating on, practically enough to build every person a NAS here

[median quail]

What drives is she hating on

[midnight nova]

Well, I meant generally disregarding; last I saw her fawning over was the Crucial T700; skipped good stuff like the SK Hynix Platinum, WD Black SN850X…

[median quail]

Idk

She wants to find “all the options”

T700 is a waste

[midnight nova]

Sounds like someone who’d look to the internet for “all the answers”

Then expect a summary

[median quail]

nah, just looks here

[midnight nova]

(Which literally is the case)

[midnight nova]

Here*

[pale cove]

She said gen 5 isn’t worth it yet

[midnight nova]

Only excuse (or rather reason) for her to keep looking

that works.

[noble maple]

yep

[pale cove]

I wonder why she is ignoring the 990 pro and sn850x 🤔

[midnight nova]

Wants to go against the grain I suppose

[noble maple]

Selective hearing

[median quail]

500GB boot, 4TB game drive, 2TB Video/Photo
〔mp33 pro〕boot,〔mp34〕game,〔mp34〕video

[midnight nova]

Make an influencer video on YT titled “money can promise everything (and it delivered for me). but most just get one thing”

[noble maple]

my whole storage is a 500gb nvme and a 120gb sata ssd

pulled the sata from an old prebuilt

its sad

[midnight nova]

Then rant about how everything is fine for her running RAID 10 on Gen 5 drives and tell us we gave her shit in comparison

[noble maple]

but it works

[median quail]

i hope she doesnt do raid

pretty sure she knows not to though

[trail kayak]

im not lol

[median quail]

here's your drive selection :)
500GB boot, 4TB game drive, 2TB Video/Photo

(mp33 pro) boot, (mp34) game, (mp34) video
Add any sata you want

[trail kayak]

link for mp33?

[median quail]

here are all of those drives
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-512gb-mp33-pro/p/20-331-562?Item=20-331-562&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

it has the mp33 pro, and mp34

If you want gen 4:
Crucial p5 plus boot | sn850x 4TB and 2TB for game and video respectively

[trail kayak]

so does anyone know what 3 2x2?

[final violet]

https://google.com

[trail kayak]

i cant find anything tbh

[median quail]

@trail kayak

[noble maple]

half the pcie lanes i think if i remember

2 is half of 4 🤯

[median quail]

You read that website 2 lol, it’s not that simple

[noble maple]

idfk

i got more stuff to learn that what pcie x2 is

[median quail]

It splits the gen 3x4 into 2x gen 3x2 for access by 2 servers/computers. Used for high availability, and usually found in sas only

[noble maple]

so i was kinda right

half right

4=2+2 🤯

[median quail]

Lol

[noble maple]

i learned moer about csgo skins than pc stuff ngl

still cant remember anything about either

[trail kayak]

thats just a random article that says nothing about 2x2

[median quail]

That’s just wrong

Fucking read it, it says plenty, and I summarized it twice

[noble maple]

technically i did

4=2+2 🤯

[median quail]

It means 2 lanes are connected to 1 server, and 2 lanes are connected to another, letting the drive be accessed by both simultaneously

[median quail]

Not really

[noble maple]

techncially

if you thinka bout it

[median quail]

Not good enough especially for dream

[noble maple]

true

how do you do silly cross out thing

nvm ill just google it

[median quail]

~~ on each side

[trail kayak]

is this what 3 2x2 is?

[noble maple]

~no way~

what

😠

[median quail]

Discord message formatting is something I’m ok with

[median quail]

2 on each side lmao

[noble maple]

ohhhh

no way

[median quail]

Yes, and that’s what the website says

[trail kayak]

nah i looked it up

its not in the article at all

[noble maple]

finally

you searched something up

[median quail]

What the fuck?

Yes it is lmao

[median quail]

This says dual port nvme, which is what that article is about. And you’re wrong if you say it’s not

[trail kayak]

dual port means nothing to me

except that it means 2

[median quail]

Read the fucking article then

There are 2 gen 3x2 ports on the ssd. Each is connected to a separate server/computer, allowing drive access from both

[trail kayak]

ill just take your word for it

since you read the article

so pcie gen 3 2x2 is just 2x 3x2s

[median quail]

Anyway, where did you find that

[median quail]

It really is that simple

[trail kayak]

no yeah sounds good to me thanks

[median quail]

All you should care about is the 3D nand ssd one

Also, where did you get that

[trail kayak]

is this intels own ram?

wth is persistent memory

ddrt

[drifting pebble]

its a ssd

basically

well its optane but it operates like an ssd

[trail kayak]

okayy

[drifting pebble]

but it has a really really long lifetime

[trail kayak]

but like ram speed but not really ram speed

[drifting pebble]

can sustain a lot of reads and rights

no

it's not fast

it's thing is that it lasts a long time

[trail kayak]

p sure optane is the fastest ssd

[drifting pebble]

nope

not even close

[trail kayak]

it is

you are thinking of sequential speeds

[drifting pebble]

looks like that's compared to other slow ssds and hard drives

[trail kayak]

nope

thats the fastest hdd

[drifting pebble]

the fastest hard drive still isnt as fast as a halfway decent ssd

[trail kayak]

here is the 4tb t700

[drifting pebble]

oh interesting

better iops than a rocket 4 too

[trail kayak]

thee hdd is faster than ssds. but not m.2 ssds because of the sata bottleneck

[trail kayak]

randoms

which means theoretically, 2 - 4 times the speed of the fastest regular ssds

so like the t700 is probably the best regular ssd

[drifting pebble]

in random iops sure

[trail kayak]

but in randoms it's only 135 MB/s

at q1

q1 shows its minimum speed which is indicative of everyday use

gonna choose a boot drive from these

any opinions on the solidigm p44?

$55 for pretty fast 1 tb boot drive tbh

the 441 MB/s is so tempting but definitely not worth $2000

thats the max but its parabolic

most ssds have about 100 MB/s q1

including the t700 and the 990 pro

this is ultimately the reason why they preform the same

it's not cause gen 5 is ass

it's most cause the t700 is designed in a way like every other ssd where it focuses and prioritizes sequential speeds over randoms

and no one wants to use 3d xpoint technology probably because intel has a patent on it and doesnt want to pay intel for it

also the p4800x is probably out of the question

the performance is worse and its more expensive

for $800 you can get a good p5800x with 400gb which is plenty for a boot drive

and it has 3 times the speed of a t700

[drifting pebble]

or you could spent $30 on a 1tb mp33

and never notice a difference

[trail kayak]

? this one

you actually will notice a difference between 100 MB/s and 300 MB/s what you wont notice is a difference in sequential speeds between idk like 3000 and 4000

the random speed is what matters most

[trail kayak]

which cap @drifting pebble

[trail kayak]

the 905p is basically the same cap as the p5800x and it is $100 cheaper for 100 less MB/s

and then the t700 is almost just as expensive but it is $200 cheaper normally, but it is another 100 MB/s slower

but right now the t700 is actually only $375

instead of $500

which one the mp33 or the mp33 pro??

nevermind there is a cheaper 905p for $390 that is the same speed but a higher cap at 1 tb

so im crossing off the 905p 380gb

probably will take the 8tb hdd off cause it doesnt make sense for a boot drive with the sata bottleneck

so 58gb is actually too small for a boot drive, so i will probably have to take off that p1600x but i think i could make a 118gb boot drive work

[trail kayak]

the 900p is one of the faster regular speed ssds for only $150

175 MB/s

280gb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3QXJ7P/kingston-nv2-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s2000g

166 MB/s

probably the fastest cheapest 4x4

[trail kayak]

sabrent rocket 4 is probably better than this tho

it's $20 cheaper but you lose 1 tb

but its for a boot drive

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LM2WGX/acer-predator-gm7000-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-bl9bwwr104

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3QXJ7P/kingston-nv2-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s2000g

kind of thinking about this for a games drive

or this one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vtn9TW/crucial-t700-wheatsink-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct4000t700ssd5

cause they are relatively fast and have high capacity

but the 2tb one is $78 and the only difference it has from the t700 is -2tb

if you guys have better options i will add them now

honestly tho

for a boot drive i think i really wanna do this still

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7mmP6/intel-optane-p1600x-118-gb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpek1a118ga01

it has a p bad q20 speed tho

i wonder if q20 matters more really.

okay yada yada everything i already keep trying to say

okay good. so what im hearing is q20 doesnt matter for a boot drive lmao

even if it is random

let alone q32

this means i probably shouldnt spend 10 times the amount for this drive instead

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/201861/intel-optane-ssd-dc-p5800x-series-400gb-2-5in-pcie-x4-3d-xpoint/specifications.html

this one has a better q1 speed but its only about 60 MB/s faster

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xMjBD3/intel-optane-p1600x-58-gb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpek1a058ga01

this one is also faster and it is 50% cheaper but you would have to go 32 bit windows or some shit lol

maybe good for linux or something.

i will save a linux drive for a future purchase

or a video editing drive for a future purchase

maybe a retro drive for a future purchase too

i dont see a reason to go any other ssd for a boot drive than one of these 3

or maybe this one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MmP8TW/intel-optane-905p-960-gb-25-solid-state-drive-ssdpe21d960gam3

boot drive options

p5800x 400gb 4x4 qd1 293 MB/s $790
p1600x 118gb 3x4 qd1 222 MB/s $76
p1600x 58gb 3x4 qd1 232 MB/s $34
905p 960gb 3x4 qd1 202 MB/s $392
sn850x 1tb 4x4 qd1 102 MB/s $75 ❌
Sabrent Rocket 4 1tb 4x4 qd1 164 MB/s $60
p44 1tb 4x4 qd1 142 MB/s $55❌
nv2 2tb 4x4 qd1 166 MB/s $92 ❌
predator gm700 512gb 4x4 qd1 144 MB/s $45
p41 2tb 4x4 qd1 119 MB/s $155 ❌
spatium m570 2tb 5x4 138 MB/s $270❌
pioneer aps-se20g 2tb 3x4 145 MB/s $176❌
900p 280gb 3x4 qd1 173 MB/s $184 ❌
p4800x 375gb 3x4 qd1 208 MB/s $875 ❌
905p 380gb 3x4 qd1 212 MB/s $695 ❌
p5800x 1.6tb 4x4 qd1 326 MB/s $3741 ❌
p5800x 800gb 4x4 qd1 441 MB/s $2341 ❌

[fluid maple]

O don't see the sn850x which is a definite yes?

[trail kayak]

the sn850x is great

let me look at it again

[fluid maple]

And I mean there's no point to look at boot drives any drive faster than 150mbps that isn't gunked up will make windows boot as fast as possible just look at my sata 2.0 drive with a 200mbps read and 150 write windows boots in literally 2 seconds

What takes the longest is the post and bios check for me

[fluid maple]

The 4tb inne isn't worth it

Unless you want it for mass storage ofc but not as a boot drive

I wouldn't go getting a boot drive any bigger than 1tb since if you're a smart person you'll store everything except program files on your secondary drive

Also I've just noticed

Why do you want a suprim liquid x?

A hybryd card that's just gonna take up fan space

[trail kayak]

yeah but the 2tb and 1tb are slower in the case of the sn850x

[fluid maple]

Still it's like 100 mbps

[trail kayak]

yeah you are right on that one

[fluid maple]

Also suprim liquid x????????

[trail kayak]

i will add the 1tb version to the boot drive options

[fluid maple]

SUPRIM LIQUID X?????????

I'll chce you if you do that to yourself

[trail kayak]

please stay on topic of storage

im not here to debate my gpu

[trail kayak]

but looking at this now already the sn850x looks like one of the worst boot drives on the list and is vastly inferior to the p1600x. it is the same cost but it is 50% the speed.

i could just go the sn570

if i wanted a budget route

it's $20

[tiny verge]

Yeah but it also have like 500gb more of storage

[trail kayak]

it's a boot drive. having more storage just makes it safer

if i can get the os on 118gb then im golden

[tiny verge]

972gb*

[trail kayak]

118gb - 64gb = 54gb leftover for launchers

and drivers ig

[tiny verge]

Nvm misread it

Like 900gb more storage

[trail kayak]

like realistically, how much space does launchers + drivers need? i saw examples but they are all 300 - 2000gb each

and the only one that was 2000gb was fucking steam

epic games is like 1300gb

[marble path]

Just fill your slots with these
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-1tb-sn770/p/N82E16820250217

And these
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-1tb-blue-sa510/p/N82E16820250229

You're reinventing the wheel on the easiest part to pick in a build

[trail kayak]

im not gonna have 54 launchers

[trail kayak]

the sn770 has 107 MB/s

the sa510 has 21 MB/s

[fluid maple]

Slow as fuck

Slower than my 10 euro sata 2 ssd kek

[trail kayak]

im crossing the sn850x because it is outclassed by the cheaper sabrent rocket 4

[trail kayak]

any other recommendations

[fluid maple]

Nope

[trail kayak]

ik the p44 is a big one

[marble path]

She will never need anything faster than this for her van life plans

[marble path]

Booting VLC .2 seconds faster so she can watch seasonal pirated anime #33

[trail kayak]

okay i added the p44 to the list

[trail kayak]

i would say the predator outclasses the p44 so im take the p44 off

im taking the nv2 off because the sabrent rocket 4 is just cheaper the nv2 is the same as the sabrent but it has 1 tb extra

i added the spatium but its too expensive for a boot drive

because it's q1 speed is ass

the predator is onle $45 and it is faster

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/s93gXL/adata-legend-700-512-gb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-aleg-700-512gcs

theres also this one but its hard to find and the price i have found is like $300 so def not worth

[tawdry ferry]

skip the spatium

[trail kayak]

i fully agree

[tawdry ferry]

this is just a sk hynix p41 under another name

[trail kayak]

ill find it

[tawdry ferry]

you agree but for a different reason

i already linked this for you to use for checking against for ssd's
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit?pli=1#gid=0

[trail kayak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGTp99/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-2000gm-2

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vrTp99/solidigm-p44-pro-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfkkw010x7x1

[tawdry ferry]

that's the one

both are the same drive tbh

skhynix makes solidigm ssd's

solidigm = sk hynix's take over of intels ssd branch

[trail kayak]

i added the p41 to the list

[tawdry ferry]

both of those that you linked are tlc nand ssd's

the solidigm p41 = qlc nand

[trail kayak]

the p44 is tlc tho

[tawdry ferry]

i just said that no?

[trail kayak]

yess

and so the p41 is qlc?

or do you mean not the hynix

[tawdry ferry]

solidigm p41 is qlc

sk hynix p41 is tlc

[trail kayak]

i think the p41 is in the same boat as the spatium in terms of a boot drive. but the p41 is better than spatium

hynix that is

[tawdry ferry]

list what exact spatium model it is

as there are some tlc and some qlc models under different numbers

[trail kayak]

m570 2tb 5x4

[tawdry ferry]

that's a tlc gen 5 drive, do not bother with

as it needs active cooling

[trail kayak]

boot drive options

p5800x 400gb 4x4 qd1 293 MB/s $790
p1600x 118gb 3x4 qd1 222 MB/s $76
p1600x 58gb 3x4 qd1 232 MB/s $34
905p 960gb 3x4 qd1 202 MB/s $392
sn850x 1tb 4x4 qd1 102 MB/s $75 ❌
Sabrent Rocket 4 1tb 4x4 qd1 164 MB/s $60
p44 1tb 4x4 qd1 142 MB/s $55❌
nv2 2tb 4x4 qd1 166 MB/s $92 ❌
predator gm700 512gb 4x4 qd1 144 MB/s $45
990 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 127 MB/s $150❌
980 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 108 MB/s $130❌
p41 2tb 4x4 qd1 119 MB/s $155 ❌
spatium m570 2tb 5x4 138 MB/s $270❌
pioneer aps-se20g 2tb 3x4 145 MB/s $176❌
900p 280gb 3x4 qd1 173 MB/s $184 ❌
p4800x 375gb 3x4 qd1 208 MB/s $875 ❌
905p 380gb 3x4 qd1 212 MB/s $695 ❌
p5800x 1.6tb 4x4 qd1 326 MB/s $3741 ❌
p5800x 800gb 4x4 qd1 441 MB/s $2341 ❌

ill repost here

[tawdry ferry]

remember no gen 5 drives needed

[trail kayak]

right

[tawdry ferry]

all those optanes are no good as boot drives at all

[trail kayak]

i dont agree and i dont see how

[tawdry ferry]

braindead moment by the OP

[tawdry ferry]

the difference here is that the sa510 = sata and sn770 = gen4 nvme

[trail kayak]

if i was held at gun point and forced to choose right now. im absolutely going the p1600x 118gb

[trail kayak]

yeah ik

[tawdry ferry]

then you'd be making a piss poor choice

[trail kayak]

not really

[tawdry ferry]

yes really

[trail kayak]

nope

[tawdry ferry]

you already was told what would make a good boot drive

[trail kayak]

im telling you. that you are wrong

and have been

[tawdry ferry]

none of those you listed would do any good nor would be any faster

[tawdry ferry]

nope, you are, absolutely

yup

yes, very much so

you will not be beating any gen 3 drive

[fervent nebula]

Damn she got muted

[tawdry ferry]

ze bot

just got to wait it out

[lunar blaze]

why would you even be considering a boot drive under 500gb

[trail kayak]

no one needs 500gb

[lunar blaze]

lol what

windows will chew through a 250GB drive quickly

[trail kayak]

show me your boot drive right now

[fervent nebula]

Having 256 gig i can just say its not enough lol

[lunar blaze]

all SSDs, C is m.2

[trail kayak]

link

[lunar blaze]

previously had a 256gb boot drive

filled up

[trail kayak]

okay but what all do you have thats making it fill up

[tawdry ferry]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/lexar-nm790-4-tb/9.html from a review of this drive

[trail kayak]

how much is your os taking up. both of you

[lunar blaze]

regular apps, all the ones that don't allow you to change the install location (which is a surprising amount of them)

[tawdry ferry]

windows, drivers, main game launchers, updates relating to all of the above

[tawdry ferry]

did those come from microsoft store?

[lunar blaze]

no

I don't install anything from the MS store other than xbox games

[static nexus]

Yeah 500/512GB is like the minimum I would have for a boot drive (even then I mostly stick with 1TB since for my builds even 500/512GB is a bit too close for comfort)

[lunar blaze]

and a few things that benefit from having the higher-than-sata drive speeds

[trail kayak]

can i see how that boot drive is divided up

i need irl examples of space allocation

[lunar blaze]

no, you just need to listen to the experienced computer nerds

[trail kayak]

cause all ik is that windows is 64gb and google says 64gb - 120 gb boot drive is perfectly fine

[lunar blaze]

theoretical requirements mean nothing in real world use

[tawdry ferry]

when cleaning up after update and your temp folder

[trail kayak]

how much is your os taking up

can you find that

[trail kayak]

so windows only takes up like 20gb on yours

[tawdry ferry]

just those 4 folders alone = 84-90gb

currently, it can take up so much more if you don't regularly clean out your temp folder + windows update cleanups

[lunar blaze]

or if you're not perfectly careful about install locations, or install a lot of things that don't allow you to change install locations
(or commonly, apps that are installed per-user to appdata in your user folder, or use apps that store a lot of data in the appdata folder)

unless you're on some very low budget, why even buy such a small drive and have to worry about it

any speed "advantage" you may see from getting a smaller drive is not going to be noticed

[tawdry ferry]

any speed advantage you'd see going from a gen 3 drive to a gen 4/5 drive will never be noticed either

[lunar blaze]

that depends more on what you do though, a gen 4 drive can be significantly faster than a gen 3 drive if you do anything where that might matter

[tawdry ferry]

this is without any extras added in so as a cleanly installed windows 11

[tawdry ferry]

sure, but we're talking boot drive or games drives, where it is totally not noticable

[tawdry ferry]

also the review i linked, there's many more like it, for other drives, which show what their performance is like especially for games, video editing, OS load ups, which is better than going by a passmark score let alone "benchmarks" shown on pcpp

[trail kayak]

these are gen 3 drives

gen doesnt matter here

[trail kayak]

its also not a scored benchmark

[tawdry ferry]

what you put as a list for boot drives are all gen 4 with a couple gen 5's, the image i linked is a mix of gen 3,4 and 5

[tawdry ferry]

because it's a fucking proper review and testing of the drive

[trail kayak]

its literally all 3, 4, and 5

and the 5 ones are the worst

[tawdry ferry]

a passmark benchmark is only testing to show it's total speed for both randomws and sequentials

[trail kayak]

no its the testing for qd1 rnd

[tawdry ferry]

for a nm790 specifically

you never checked proper reviews of drives, but instead went based off a passmark score thinking fastest = best at the time

[trail kayak]

its not a passmark score lmao

[trail kayak]

it's the qd1 speed on the drive

[tawdry ferry]

this is YOU basing a decision based on passmark scoring, which tbh in itself is useless

[trail kayak]

thats not a score lmao

it's the MB/s

for the drives qd1 rnd

[tawdry ferry]

which is how they're rating/scoring it by

[trail kayak]

no it's literally just the speed in descending order lol

they have a disk score tho

but the disk score isnt really representative since its mostly inflated by the sequentials

[tawdry ferry]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD <- actual reviews

shows scoring based on realworld uses

[trail kayak]

honestly techpowerup isnt really showing me anything

[tawdry ferry]

it is, it's showing what the drive is like under each use case, and with different programs

many of which you will be using for different things

[trail kayak]

i mean i see the p44 on there lol

[tawdry ferry]

davinci resolve = free video editing software. premier pro = adobe pay to use software

both for video editing

29gb file isn't a small file in regards to video editing

that's roughly a good 8 hours of video recording to be editing

[trail kayak]

never even looked into this. this isnt how i found optane. i found optane because it had the best random speeds.

[tawdry ferry]

level1tech is about servers and nas's, not a pc you'd use for gaming/video editing on

does not make it a good OS/BOOT drive

[lunar blaze]

and as for the other 2, look at the dates

[tawdry ferry]

makes it only viable as a CACHE drive

still only viable as a CACHE drive

never as OS/BOOT

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/

literally all about ssd specs

[tawdry ferry]

notice how old?

means optane is no good for a boot drive

[trail kayak]

lmao

no it doesnt

[tawdry ferry]

it is literally a drive you'd just use as a cache drive for a server, nothing more nothing less

[tawdry ferry]

yes it does

[trail kayak]

unless i can be given a good enough reason. im going optane

[tawdry ferry]

quite literally stated there

so you'll take the dumbest route because you'd rather take bad advice

don't bitch if you have issue

especially as those will be self inflicted issues

and it's really a dumb take to tell someone who's built, rebuilt and refurbed multiple systems they're wrong on something they do know what they're telling you about

[lunar blaze]

userbenchmark
instantly invalid

[noble maple]

fr

[median quail]

Do you know why it has faster randoms? Because it’s meant to be used like “slower” ram for caching (the optane persistent memory).

[undone sparrow]

Bro why is the 980 pro not I. Consideration

Reliable lord of pekple own it

990 is still too new and barely faster a

And 980 is readily available

And based on my experience with it it’s awesome

[trail kayak]

i already know it operates like slower ram

but its also the closest thing we have to a real slc drive.

[trail kayak]

sure ill add the 990 pro and the 980 pro

[trail kayak]

yeah so i havent heard anything that sounds like a problem

other than, you dont want me to

the p1600x has poor q20 which doesnt matter for boot drive.

and it also has a low capacity which is a concern

[median quail]

why does that matter?

[trail kayak]

but it is just as affordable as the sabrent rocket 4, the sn850x, p44, nv2, gm7

if i were to currently NOT go optane, it would be to make the 2 or 3 people in this thread happy, in spite of all my research and what everything else is telling me.

the only thing this thread is tell me, is that its unconventional and that theyve never heard of it

which is hilarious because if you do the research you realize regular consumers were buying these things up just to get their hands on them

even as used.

even for much more expensive

if the p1600x capacity falls into issue i will just consider the 905p 960gb

you have given me no reason to otherwise not go optane besides its a little weird when really its not weird at all lmao

[median quail]

its not cost effective

[trail kayak]

it's literally not about the capacity. anyone who has come to this conclusion feels the same. it's understandable when the 2tb is $2000

that's just out of reach for some people

realistically, 4 times system snappiness is just not worth it for me

but 2 times system snappiness is worth $75

to me at least

this is a boot drive, you arent going to be putting everything on there. it doesnt need to be cost effective.

because we arent optimizing for capacity.

it's the only drive where this could be considered

[median quail]

ok, if you want optane, fine

i want to move on

[tiny verge]

Dream would rather pay $75 for 0.1 seconds faster loading times and less than 100gb than get 2tb for the same price

[trail kayak]

it's not just the startup time but if i were to guess, it would be 0.4 seconds faster

maybe more

[median quail]

boot time literally doesnt matter

[tiny verge]

It’s going to be less than like 20 seconds anway

[trail kayak]

if you think i should go more points into startup time, i could go the p5800x 400gb for $790. and probably get about +0.5 seconds off. (on top of the 0.4s)

[median quail]

why the fuck do you care about boot time

[trail kayak]

please listen when i talk, i just said its not about startup time.

this would impact everything

[tiny verge]

The fact your considering getting a 400gb drive for $790

[median quail]

$790!?!?!?!

[pastel flax]

We are lol

[tiny verge]

^

[pastel flax]

WTF

[pastel flax]

Exactly

[pastel flax]

Are you asking chatgpt for advice???????

Lmao

[tiny verge]

Dream please get an MP44L or SN770 and not waste your money on enterprise grade ssds

[pastel flax]

this

[tiny verge]

SN850x if you really need it

[pastel flax]

Fr

[trail kayak]

pcpp links please

[pastel flax]

https://pcpartpicker.com

[trail kayak]

NVMe Samsung SSD 990 PRO with Heatsink 2TB this is the best 990 pro drive

[pastel flax]

Smh

[median quail]

no?

theyre all the same

[tiny verge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/4KRYcf,crKKHx,2VJgXL

[pastel flax]

Yes

[median quail]

just capacity difference

[pastel flax]

Ig one comes with a heatsink that’s practically useless

[median quail]

yeah, especially since most 7000 series x670 motherboards have heatsinks on all of the m.2 slots

[pastel flax]

Yeah

Speaking of has she decided mobo yet?

[median quail]

no

switched back to storage

:/

[pastel flax]

Cant wait for that convo

[trail kayak]

boot drive options

p5800x 400gb 4x4 qd1 293 MB/s $790
p1600x 118gb 3x4 qd1 222 MB/s $76
p1600x 58gb 3x4 qd1 232 MB/s $34
905p 960gb 3x4 qd1 202 MB/s $392
sn850x 1tb 4x4 qd1 102 MB/s $75 ❌
Sabrent Rocket 4 1tb 4x4 qd1 164 MB/s $60
p44 1tb 4x4 qd1 142 MB/s $55❌
nv2 2tb 4x4 qd1 166 MB/s $92 ❌
predator gm700 512gb 4x4 qd1 144 MB/s $45
990 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 127 MB/s $150❌
980 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 108 MB/s $130❌
p41 2tb 4x4 qd1 119 MB/s $155 ❌
spatium m570 2tb 5x4 138 MB/s $270❌
pioneer aps-se20g 2tb 3x4 145 MB/s $176❌
900p 280gb 3x4 qd1 173 MB/s $184 ❌
p4800x 375gb 3x4 qd1 208 MB/s $875 ❌
905p 380gb 3x4 qd1 212 MB/s $695 ❌
p5800x 1.6tb 4x4 qd1 326 MB/s $3741 ❌
p5800x 800gb 4x4 qd1 441 MB/s $2341 ❌

here's a repost

i have added the 990 pro and 980 pro

they were quickly outclassed by the nv2

and the nv2 is outclassed by the sabrent rocket 4

my non optane choice is the sabrent rocket 4

[median quail]

those optane drives are so slow. really not worth it for a boot drive

[trail kayak]

you need to be way more specific with what you mean by slow

[median quail]

293MB/s?

thats like hdd slow

[trail kayak]

oh wow, so you are actually not knowledgeable on the subject

that's okay

i already knew i had to do this part on my own

[median quail]

also the fact that its $2 per GB

[trail kayak]

these are random 4kqd1 iop speeds

[median quail]

instead of like $0.07

[trail kayak]

again, the price per GB is not a priority AT ALL

especially for a boot drive

[median quail]

why

thats so stupid

[trail kayak]

because the boot drive can be small, and optane has top market speeds.

[median quail]

no it doesnt

wtf

[trail kayak]

ive add the other drives for other people who dont know about this stuff

[median quail]

what are the random speeds of your top optane ssd choice

[trail kayak]

441 MB/s that is the fastest in the world today.

and it still is despite it being gen 3 and being old.

[median quail]

thats not how its measured

[trail kayak]

actually it's gen 4 now

it is. ive done so much research. i can tell you 100% it is

[median quail]

no its IOPS

lol

[trail kayak]

i used google like you told me lmao

[median quail]

gen 3 is not that old, and still more than enough for a gaming pc

[trail kayak]

you need to stop cherry picking parts of what im saying as if its going to branch off somewhere because it wont

im not saying gen 3 is old. people are saying optane is old lol.

[pastel flax]

You fucking crossed out a 850x

Why?

[median quail]

but i dont want to argue. if you want optane, you do you. i want to get through storage

[trail kayak]

yeah cause it's overpriced and slow

[pastel flax]

😭

[trail kayak]

it would seem you are also not knowledgeable

[median quail]

its not overpriced, and its not slow

[trail kayak]

i will take your responses as a grain of salt for now

[pastel flax]

Exactly

[pastel flax]

Dude

[trail kayak]

sn850x 1tb 4x4 qd1 102 MB/s $75 ❌

[pastel flax]

Creeper said the same thing

[trail kayak]

okay yeah it's not overpriced

but not worth it

the sabrent is cheaper and faster

Sabrent Rocket 4 1tb 4x4 qd1 164 MB/s $60

[pastel flax]

Now that’s fair

But in no way is it overpriced

Or slow

[trail kayak]

its average speed

[pastel flax]

[trail kayak]

the t700 is like 135 MB/s

[median quail]

ok dream, if you want optane, you do you. i dont want to argue anymore. i want to get through storage

[trail kayak]

there was no argument, you gave me nothing besides that you were weirded out lol

if there is something i am missing, i would love to hear it.

even from rauko

but rauko had nothing to say

[median quail]

"theres no argument"?

[trail kayak]

tell me why i should go the sabrent rocket 4 over the p1600x

[median quail]

its overpriced like hell, randoms do not matter as much as you are saying, and a pcie gen 4.0 is more than enough for any ssd

[trail kayak]

and is there any fiber in your being that could google this? and learn about queue depth 1 for boot drives? it takes like no time

[trail kayak]

this is true. randoms at qd32 or qd20 dont matter. but random iops especially the reads matter the absolute most at qd1

[median quail]

its not worth overpaying for a slow small ssd

[trail kayak]

lmao

[median quail]

because computer users have survived just fine without optane

[trail kayak]

i dont need 2tb of storage for a boot drive creeper

[median quail]

ok?

[trail kayak]

what point are you trying to make

[median quail]

so you can spend 35 on a 500GB boot drive

instead of 790

[trail kayak]

all you are saying here is that "regular ssds work just fine"

all im saying is "optane works just fine"

[median quail]

but theyre way overpriced

[trail kayak]

what is a 790

samsung

?

[median quail]

$790

[trail kayak]

oh nvm mb

for a boot drive. price per gb doesnt matter.

because the boot drive only needs max 512gb

[median quail]

and anyway, if you want optane, buy optane. its not my pc, so pick what you want.

[trail kayak]

i just want to see what else you have to say

we already know my budget

[median quail]

its still good to spend a reasonable amount of money

[trail kayak]

this is reasonable

[median quail]

i have nothing else to say besides what ive already said. so if you want optane, idfc

[trail kayak]

im not spending $4000 or $2000

p5800x 1.6tb 4x4 qd1 326 MB/s $3741 ❌
p5800x 800gb 4x4 qd1 441 MB/s $2341 ❌

youre only point was that it is too much money

[median quail]

yes

and thats a good point

[trail kayak]

$75 is not too much money for me, so i will choose to ignore this

moving on

[median quail]

ok. you do you

[trail kayak]

thank you creeper

[tulip pelican]

From a price to performance and capacity stand point it is a stupid buy I think is what he means

Like you’re just burning money on a junk drive

[trail kayak]

[tulip pelican]

And not getting any real benefits from it

[trail kayak]

okay dxtchin, you are up next

what exactly are you saying

junk how

i want to get to know you

[tulip pelican]

I don’t want to get to know you

[trail kayak]

that's fine

it's still your turn

[tulip pelican]

I’m just telling you from a price capacity and performance standpoint. It’s stupid to buy Intel optane

Comparatively to modern day gen 4 drives that offer very good performance and capacity for little to no money

[trail kayak]

p1600x 118gb 3x4 qd1 222 MB/s $76
p1600x 58gb 3x4 qd1 232 MB/s $34
905p 960gb 3x4 qd1 202 MB/s $392

tell me what is wrong with these prices?

[tulip pelican]

Literally what I just said

[median quail]

$392 for less than 1TB of storage

[trail kayak]

no no say specifically

[tulip pelican]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[trail kayak]

that's basically 1tb

[median quail]

so?

[tulip pelican]

All of those drives are a massive waste of money for the gain in performance you get

[median quail]

still way overpriced

[trail kayak]

$390 is expensive for 1tb if it was for storage

[tulip pelican]

It’s diminishing performance at best

[trail kayak]

this is a boot drive.

[tulip pelican]

It’s diminishing performance at best

[solemn walrus]

and?

[trail kayak]

diminishing performance but not diminishing returns lmao

[trail kayak]

i boot drive with 128gb - 512gb is perfectly fine

[solemn walrus]

ah

yeah

[tulip pelican]

Yes diminishing returns lol

[median quail]

thats the same thing bruh

diminishing performance and diminishing returns

[trail kayak]

so it doesnt matter if the price / GB is 0.007 or whatever, and you sort by that on pcpp lmao

[tulip pelican]

The difference between a 1000mb/s and 3000mb/s read while booting your pc is not a viable gain in performance to spend a lot more money

[trail kayak]

actually no, the performance IS parabolic and 95% of ssds have 100 MB/s speeds

[tulip pelican]

Or even transferring files for that matter

Fairly certain my ssd regularly reads and writes at well over 1500 mb/s so no

[trail kayak]

which is why you have it ingrained in your skull that all drives operate the same for boot and launchers and that there is no perceived snappiness

however this isnt the case obviously

for the top 5% of drives.

[median quail]

i dont wanna argue about this anymore. Dream, if you want optane, idc anymore

[tulip pelican]

If you’re so stuck in optane then just buy it and move on

[median quail]

lets just move on

[solemn walrus]

it is

anyway

[trail kayak]

i already know. youre done

[tulip pelican]

Stop asking peoples opinions if you’re just gonna tell them optane is better

[trail kayak]

im not asking, you wanna give.

[solemn walrus]

fym by youre done 😭

[timid lava]

Are we still on storage

[fervent nebula]

girl think she gustavo fring

[timid lava]

sigh

[trail kayak]

he said he's done. his turn is done. he gave me everything he could.

[tulip pelican]

You just asked me lol

[solemn walrus]

optane for boot

[solemn walrus]

ONG

[fervent nebula]

duh, its been a whole ass fucking month since she started this

[tulip pelican]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[fervent nebula]

this build will never be done

[trail kayak]

boot drive options

p5800x 400gb 4x4 qd1 293 MB/s $790
p1600x 118gb 3x4 qd1 222 MB/s $76
p1600x 58gb 3x4 qd1 232 MB/s $34
905p 960gb 3x4 qd1 202 MB/s $392
sn850x 1tb 4x4 qd1 102 MB/s $75 ❌
Sabrent Rocket 4 1tb 4x4 qd1 164 MB/s $60
p44 1tb 4x4 qd1 142 MB/s $55❌
nv2 2tb 4x4 qd1 166 MB/s $92 ❌
predator gm700 512gb 4x4 qd1 144 MB/s $45 ❌
990 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 127 MB/s $150❌
980 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 108 MB/s $130❌
p41 2tb 4x4 qd1 119 MB/s $155 ❌
spatium m570 2tb 5x4 138 MB/s $270❌
pioneer aps-se20g 2tb 3x4 145 MB/s $176❌
900p 280gb 3x4 qd1 173 MB/s $184 ❌
p4800x 375gb 3x4 qd1 208 MB/s $875 ❌
905p 380gb 3x4 qd1 212 MB/s $695 ❌
p5800x 1.6tb 4x4 qd1 326 MB/s $3741 ❌
p5800x 800gb 4x4 qd1 441 MB/s $2341 ❌

[tulip pelican]

You just asked my opinion lol

[fervent nebula]

nor will she build it

[solemn walrus]

buy the 1st one

[median quail]

advice: get rid of the ones you cross off instead of putting an x

[trail kayak]

i decided i want people to be able to see them

[median quail]

fair enough

[solemn walrus]

fills up a lot of the chat

[tulip pelican]

I think you’re over estimating the amount of times you’re actually gonna be doing random read and writes with the ssd in everyday life.

[trail kayak]

lmao do you not understand that you will be doing random reads almost constantly

[tulip pelican]

And I’m assuming those speeds are based of completely full drives with depleted cache?

[trail kayak]

it's literally already gone lol

[tulip pelican]

Well I have a TeamGroup mp44L and a crucial p3 plus 2 drastically different drives speed wise. And literally can’t tell a difference when using either for gaming or any other workload in every day life

[trail kayak]

i will add them to the list

which is your boot drive

[tulip pelican]

So. I mean you can waste time on server drives that no one uses or buy stuff that will be a viable option

The MP44L is the boot drive

[solemn walrus]

no point if youre just gonna go with an optane..

[tulip pelican]

It’s cheap asf for 2tb and makes a badass game drive

[solemn walrus]

fr

[tulip pelican]

Actually pretty overkill for a game drive tbh

[solemn walrus]

meh

[median quail]

guys just stop arguing. she obviously only wants optane, so let her do that

[tulip pelican]

I use the crucial for games which is incredibly overkill

[trail kayak]

what is the capacity for the p3 plus

[tulip pelican]

For example I have a Samsung 850 Evo sata sad and the crucial p3 plus. I had starfield on both drives cause I corrupted the first install somehow. It loads at the same speed on both games between cut scenes and launching the game

[trail kayak]

i dont only want optane

[median quail]

500, 1TB, 2TB, 4TB (i think)

[tulip pelican]

Urm 2tb I think idk. It’s not that great of a drive I just got it on sale I think it’s QLC

[trail kayak]

if a better example comes into play then sure

[median quail]

literally any gen 4 drive

[tulip pelican]

The 990 pro is a better drive lol.

Even in random reads and writes the top drive vs a 990 pro is so close in performance the difference is negligible

In the comparisons you sent that is

[trail kayak]

the p3 plus has qd1 of 81 MB/s for $29 right now.
i can't find the mp44l

[median quail]

everything has been said for why optane is bad. now its up to you, dream, to choose what you want

[trail kayak]

the 990 pro is not the top drive lmao

[median quail]

tell me, how much does qd1 matter, and send a site documenting it

[trail kayak]

nothing has been said so far besides the mute point about it being ToO eXpEnSiVe

[tulip pelican]

I never said it was 🤦🏼‍♂️

I’m just not gonna help you. Nvm

[pastel flax]

Why ask for advice and never except it or even consider it

[tulip pelican]

Ignorance

[pastel flax]

Fr

[pastel flax]

Spending $790 fucking dollars on a boot drive is stupid

It will be less then a second of boot time difference

Over a reasonable drive

[median quail]

and boot time doesnt matter, espeically if dream doesnt turn off her pcs often

like she said her laptop has been on for 3 months

[pastel flax]

Fr

I full power off my pc every night and still don’t care about it

[trail kayak]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/optane-get-it-while-its-cheap-and-still-here.1801453/

[trail kayak]

what advice

i was told to use google lmao

[median quail]

advice to fuck optane

[pastel flax]

Cus most the time I’ll press the power button and walk away to grab a water bottle and when I’m back it’s booted

[pastel flax]

All advice

[pastel flax]

Read it that just proves our point

[trail kayak]

https://ambiguous-hen-8da.notion.site/f1a05913a19044cd83d2410f687de75d?v=264113c4d36a4d68acf6e142274f9097&pvs=4

[median quail]

is that SAS? you wouldnt even be able to use it with out spending more money on an adapter

[trail kayak]

i read it and it only proved mine lmao

[pastel flax]

How

[trail kayak]

how did it not

[pastel flax]

It flat out says not to use as a boot drive

[median quail]

sketchy af

[pastel flax]

Fr

[median quail]

wait is that your website?

[pastel flax]

Wait yeah it’s her own website

[trail kayak]

all optane must use a u.2 adapter

you plug in the m.2 adapter into the m.2 slot. then you plug in a mini sas into the m.2 adapter. then the mini sas plugs into the 2.5 optane nvme ssd (not nand)

gen3 or gen4

[tawdry ferry]

$392 would get you a much better 8tb ssd, $34 would get you a much better 1tb ssd, $76 would get you a much better 2tb ssd

[trail kayak]

name any

[pastel flax]

Many

[trail kayak]

im ready

[pastel flax]

You won’t listen Anw

[tawdry ferry]

no it's not, samsung has a slc drive that's no longer for sale, they even have a mlc ssd that is no longer for sale

[median quail]

slc and mlc arent even worth it

[pastel flax]

^

Also your on a $3000 budget how tf can you afford a $800 boot drive

[tawdry ferry]

no it wasn't regular consumers, it was higher end enthusiasts, regular consumers wouldn't know the difference between a hdd and a ssd at all

[tawdry ferry]

nope it's not, especially when a 2tb nvme drive can be obtained for $50-76 on the low end and be well spec'd

[pastel flax]

Exactly

[tawdry ferry]

10-15 seconds total on average, 20 at most

[tiny verge]

Dont tell anyone I told you this but… its actually 20,000

[pastel flax]

She thinking it is lol

[median quail]

and ill say this again, boot time doesnt fucking matter, especially with dream leaving her computer for weeks at a time

[pastel flax]

Yes

Wait so what is decided so far

[median quail]

literally nothing

for storage

[pastel flax]

I meant for everything

[tawdry ferry]

very much not worth it due to being slower for data rate while having the higher endurance, and currently tlc nand is the most optimal of them giving you the best speed to endurance

[median quail]

7950x3D, 4090 liquid suprim x

[pastel flax]

Breh

[tawdry ferry]

this and some ram @pastel flax

[pastel flax]

The simplest of things so far and it’s taken 2 months

[pastel flax]

What ram

[tawdry ferry]

5600 cl28

[pastel flax]

Is she joking?

[tawdry ferry]

primarily g.skill ripjaws

it'll work though as it's xmp and not expo it may mean manually entering in the timings for it to run stable

idealy you'd want expo rated ram

like a kit of g.skill flare x5 6000 cl30

it has the same overall first word latency, but with a higher bandwidth

[pastel flax]

Yes that’s what you want

[solemn walrus]

wheres the issue

[tawdry ferry]

it's the sweet point for 7000 series ryzens, which has been confirmed by amd themself

[pastel flax]

5600 cl 28 with a 3000 budget

You want like 6000 30

[tawdry ferry]

though with x3d cpu's you can run lower speed ram and still be fine

[solemn walrus]

u realize how miniscule the difference is

[tawdry ferry]

x3d cache is funny in itself tbh

[solemn walrus]

i have a feeling you know nothing and just spout shit snowzy

[pastel flax]

How

[solemn walrus]

you just give off that vibe

[pastel flax]

Fr

[pastel flax]

Lol

[solemn walrus]

with a "3000" budget, why not go 8000

[pastel flax]

Yes but she wants optanes in that budget also

[median quail]

because am5 wont hit that

[fluid maple]

Yeah she thinks 6400 cl36 is better than 6000 cl32

[median quail]

without much tuning

[solemn walrus]

hm

well

whos gonna tell him

[pastel flax]

It can just not stably

[fluid maple]

Her

It's a girl

[solemn walrus]

i was talking to creeper

creeper isnt a girl

[fluid maple]

Oh I thought you meant dream

[median quail]

who is running 8000 MT/s ram on am5

[solemn walrus]

buildzoid, some fellows on here as well

[pastel flax]

80,000 ?!??!?!?!!

[tawdry ferry]

5800x3d showed that the gain you'd get with 3600mhz ram on something like a 5700x (roughly 3% overall) is reduced to a 0.3% gain, which in the end is nothing

[median quail]

typo lmao, mb

[solemn walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEnOu57x3wE&t=47s&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking

[fluid maple]

Someone who wishes to have theoretical pc be as unstable as possible?

[solemn walrus]

[pastel flax]

Fr

She can have quad 4090s

[tawdry ferry]

nah, it's doable but it'll take the whole weekend to tune it

[fluid maple]

She can't but they'll be no use

[tawdry ferry]

no, she cant

[fluid maple]

*can

[median quail]

and there would be no point

[tawdry ferry]

3k = 2x 4090 at most

[solemn walrus]

its not 3K anyway

[fluid maple]

Rtx 6000 ada yes those cards have nvlink still somehow iirc but they're like 10k each

[tawdry ferry]

but there would be nothing else

[median quail]

that doesnt exist

[tawdry ferry]

it exists, and was beaten by an rtx 4090

[median quail]

wait is that a quadro?

[pastel flax]

It does exist

[median quail]

if so it probably does

[tawdry ferry]

yes, the a6000 ada is a quadro

[median quail]

i wasnt thinking of quadro, mb

[tawdry ferry]

though rtx 6000 = turing, rtx a6000 = ampere, rtx a6000 ada = ada lovelace

[trail kayak]

what is it then

[tawdry ferry]

for the mlc, a samsung 970 pro

[solemn walrus]

[tawdry ferry]

for slc, it's an enterprise drive

pm914 i believe is the model number i believe

found it

for server use only

[median quail]

Tlc is what matters

[tawdry ferry]

this, 1000%

[trail kayak]

tridents

[solemn walrus]

r they neos

or normal

[trail kayak]

how. i was told 6400 is the highest

what is neos

i think i can cross off the predator

boot drive options

p5800x 400gb 4x4 qd1 293 MB/s $790
p1600x 118gb 3x4 qd1 222 MB/s $76
p1600x 58gb 3x4 qd1 232 MB/s $34
905p 960gb 3x4 qd1 202 MB/s $392
sn850x 1tb 4x4 qd1 102 MB/s $75 ❌
Sabrent Rocket 4 1tb 4x4 qd1 164 MB/s $60
p44 1tb 4x4 qd1 142 MB/s $55❌
nv2 2tb 4x4 qd1 166 MB/s $92 ❌
predator gm700 512gb 4x4 qd1 144 MB/s $45 ❌
990 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 127 MB/s $150❌
980 pro 2tb 4x4 qd1 108 MB/s $130❌
p41 2tb 4x4 qd1 119 MB/s $155 ❌
spatium m570 2tb 5x4 138 MB/s $270❌
pioneer aps-se20g 2tb 3x4 145 MB/s $176❌
900p 280gb 3x4 qd1 173 MB/s $184 ❌
p4800x 375gb 3x4 qd1 208 MB/s $875 ❌
905p 380gb 3x4 qd1 212 MB/s $695 ❌
p5800x 1.6tb 4x4 qd1 326 MB/s $3741 ❌
p5800x 800gb 4x4 qd1 441 MB/s $2341 ❌

[tawdry ferry]

all of these are piss poor options for a boot drive

[pastel flax]

This

[tawdry ferry]

literally no performance gains

[halcyon narwhal]

further proving my theory that OP a troll

[solemn walrus]

trident z neo

[solemn walrus]

6400 in gear 1
you can get 8000 in gear 2, although you need quite tight timings to have it be the same performance

[pastel flax]

She is

She’s just wasting everyone’s time

[halcyon narwhal]

although tbf this thread is pretty entertaining to read through occasionally

[pastel flax]

That’s why I’m still here

[halcyon narwhal]

same lol

[fervent nebula]

op is clearly a troll

[steep rune]

I’m genuinely baffled. Not a single person has recommended her an optane drive and strongly rejected the possibility of an optane drive and gave a full explanation why. Yet she’s still claims that every single person is wrong. She must be some sort of master pc builder above everyone here

It’s funny I’m legit coming back to this chat every so often just to see it built

And we’re still on storage

Jesus