💟 i am still building my first pc 💟 part ii

[toxic apex]

so if you have 2 x4

yes but you get NVMe expansion cards

if storage is your concern and you want an x670e board get the ASUS creator board

[trail kayak]

i am also aware of those. both as the storage cards and as the nvme expansion cards

[toxic apex]

bang for buck get TUF

[trail kayak]

i think i have reviewed both boards

[toxic apex]

best performing for this gen get gigabyte

[trail kayak]

ive heard bad things

here are some older optane drives that actually appear on pcpp

[solemn walrus]

wow!

anyway

[trail kayak]

it looks like some dont use u.2 at all

[toxic apex]

you probably heard about asus releasing bata updates that fuck them up yes

as long as you are looking at what you are downloading and updating youre fine

[trail kayak]

ive heard about equally bad stuff from asus

[toxic apex]

just stay in the lane of norms

then youre fine

i dont like ASUS either this gen

i went with a gigabyte MB

if you need storage

wait

how much storage do you need? and what for?

[trail kayak]

okay so yeah i finally found one

Intel Optane P1600X 58GB

it doesnt use u.2 at all

which looks like all the m.2 optane drives use 3x4 and since the adapter is 3x4, that means the speeds shouldnt be slowed down

[toxic apex]

................

i dont understand whats happening anymore

[solemn walrus]

shes basically wasting her time

[toxic apex]

im just so lost

get a MB with 2 or more NVMe slots

you have 4 sata ports available minimum (80% of boards)

get 512gb sata ssd for OS and other basic software and applications

PCIe 3 for games are fine but PCIe 4 drives are as of recent priced really well

get a game drive

if you do work and require large space for editing then anywhere upwards from 2TB and you can always partition

if you want to separate the drives then 1TB for games and 1 or 2TB for work (depends on what you do because even 512 is enough sometimes)

CPU buy low now so ryzen 5 range but spend good on a MB rn (only real possible future proofing IMO)

then at the end of this ryzen sockets lifespan buy high so ryzen 9 or 3d CPU if you are more focused on gaming

GPU thats all up to what you want to do again

[solemn walrus]

😭

[toxic apex]

basically you are over complicating everything and the most complicated thing you need to be looking at is use case

what do you need it for

[trail kayak]

im p sure my mb progress is in a link somewhere in these threads

[toxic apex]

it is

i skimmed past it ngl

[trail kayak]

my cpu is already the 7950x3d

[toxic apex]

may i ask why?

[trail kayak]

ive done this roundabout too many times, may i assume you want me to go intel lol

[toxic apex]

no lmao

i dont like that intel does a change every 2 generations

but then again use case

does the software you wanna run work better with intel? then sure maybe id suggest them

im team red tho

dont even think i'll ever touch a nvidia card again

[trail kayak]

personally i have no bias to intel or amd. i dont care at all. but the numbers are numbers. i never did any cpu + ram comparisons tho. and it seems like intel probably wins overall there anyway so amd might have the better cpus, but it doesnt matter if intel ends up having a better cpu + ram combo synergy

im going the 4090

suprim liquid x

[toxic apex]

ok but why all this?

[trail kayak]

i didnt know anything about storage

but now i do mostly

wait wtf is this

[toxic apex]

because if youre gonna spend all that on your GPU and CPU then why look at gen 3 SSDs

get a 4080

play 1440p

get better SSDs

or just get 7900xtx and have all your updates in one place if youre getting an AMD CPU

[trail kayak]

https://www.simms.co.uk/tech-talk/e1s-e1l-the-new-server-form-factors-explained/

it looks like they are moving away from u.2

[toxic apex]

long ago

[trail kayak]

what are e1.s and e1.l

[toxic apex]

doesnt matter

youre not building a server

[trail kayak]

it looks like they are ssds

still look like m.2s

[toxic apex]

did you read the article?

[trail kayak]

oh i see now

[toxic apex]

everything you are asking is in there?

[trail kayak]

its the server m.2

that's pretty interesting.

its so funny how things will go enterprise then consumer then back to enterprise

cause it basically went u.2 >> m.2 >> E1

[toxic apex]

you are a normal consumer
using consumer level products all you need to worry about is m.2 and SATA

[trail kayak]

and then there is E3 which is probably the newest tech

basically 5th gen m.2s with 16 lanes lmao

the future of consumer m.2s will be interesting.

primocache and storemi are interesting

[tulip pelican]

You’re wasting your time tbh. Most people in here just stopped helping her lol

[toxic apex]

after interacting i realised

just gonna continue with my paper

[trail kayak]

i feel like why not get this as a boot drive

[tulip pelican]

That’s seems pretty stupid. Paying 75$ for a 118gb drive

[trail kayak]

it doesnt use u.2 either

almost double the minimum performance of the t700

[tulip pelican]

Whatever waste your money on a underperforming drive Idc

[trail kayak]

google isnt telling me its underperforming

[solemn walrus]

holy hell

[tulip pelican]

For the price you pay for the drive and capacity it’s very underperforming

Barely over 1000 mb/s read & write…. And it’s $75 for 118gb lol. You could buy drives twice that speed that are 2tb for the same price

[trail kayak]

this is for a boot drive.

[tulip pelican]

That’s still god awful performance for that price

[trail kayak]

it has 3d xpoint.

$75 is very affordable

[tulip pelican]

Doesn’t really matter it’s also an outdated ssd

Cheaper alternatives offer more performance for a better price in 2023

[trail kayak]

but it has double the performance of most of the top performing ssds in terms of minimum random r/w which ive been told is the best measure of day to day performance for normal operations

[tulip pelican]

Even if those random read and writes were sustained it’s still fucking stupid to pay $75 for 118gb of storage that you’re not gonna see a noticeable difference in performance on with a $50 1tb TLC cache drive

[proven fern]

You've actually been told you can't take advantage of the speed in real world applications but ignore it every single time

[tulip pelican]

You seriously can’t lol

[trail kayak]

no

rauko was talking about seq for some reason lmao

[tulip pelican]

Most people don’t even notice the difference between sata and m.2 I’d theyre being used as a boot drive

Cause boot times and general loading are the same speeds

[proven fern]

it's true for both seq and random

[trail kayak]

here is the best performing q1

[tulip pelican]

Buy it then why ask us if you’re doing the research and coming to a conclusion yourself lol

[trail kayak]

i mean even from what ive seen from ltt, q1 is what matters the most

im not asking, im letting the thread know this is what im going

earlier i was asking about u.2s because i wanted to see how practical a u.2 ssd would be

because at first i really didnt like optane because of the u.2 adapter, but it seems like its not really a big deal

[tulip pelican]

ok

[trail kayak]

and also the p5800x is $2000

which i dont really want to do, but i could

optane always specializes in random r/w speeds

which is really only useful for a boot drive

so theres no real need to have a 1tb or 2tb optane drive

Intel Optane 905P 380GB would also be a good option

i didnt know they have rgb m.2s

so when you see the inflated disk rating of other drives and compare optane to the sequential speeds of other drives, of course you would look at $75 and think its overpriced

but what im seeing is $75 for top 5 in the market today.

the p1600x definitely sacrifices having any relevant sequential speed in order to have 200+ mb/s iops at q1 (qd1)

[timid lava]

Oh boy

Ok

[trail kayak]

and q1 is the highest resolution for iops

[timid lava]

Let me read up

hi dream

[trail kayak]

haii

[timid lava]

What ya lookin for this time

[trail kayak]

storage right now

cause i cant access my mb notes

i felt p close to a storage decision

[timid lava]

ok cool
Are we getting an SSD or HDD?

[trail kayak]

i basically want best on the market, budget doesnt matter but probably not $2000 ssd

[timid lava]

SSDs aren’t 2000 lol

[trail kayak]

basically an ssd but i saw this hdd which has really high iops

[trail kayak]

some are

[timid lava]

buy a cheap 2TB one

[timid lava]

For what your doing you’ll have 0 point to those

There’s no point in even considering them

[trail kayak]

the higher capacity seems to have a decrease in speed / performance overall, however a 4tb t700 seems to stay on par with the top performing 2tb ssds on the market

[timid lava]

It seriously will not matter, your not doing high data transfers

You just having the SSD is already to your advantage

[trail kayak]

i would much rather look at the best real world performers and then drop down depending on how much im willing to spend

so if the #1 ssd is $2000 then its nice to know, but i can just drop down

[timid lava]

You legit cannot tell the difference in a realistic standpoint

like at all

[trail kayak]

so im pretty sure the only reason that is the case, is cause its the stigma in the pc building world. and after looking at the charts, that makes sense.

because every ssd has almost the same identical iops at q1 EXCEPT for like 5 of them.

meaning yeah YOU probably couldnt tell a difference BECAUSE you never bought one of those

[timid lava]

For what your doing, it seriously doesn’t matter

….

No.

It’s because there’s no realistic difference like

At all

you don’t see any kind of visual difference between them

[blazing nova]

The one time a 980 pro is actually the value option

[trail kayak]

and also i just mostly think that everyone in the community says that because thats what everyone is saying and i honestly think its because no one has the money to buy a higher performing q1 ssd

[timid lava]

What do you think will be the advantage of it?

[trail kayak]

990 pro*

[timid lava]

Wow that’s a waste of money but

[uncut burrow]

i have a gun

[timid lava]

Ig yeah that works

[uncut burrow]

nerf gun

[trail kayak]

q1 is basically the min speed.

[timid lava]

And unless your somehow going to take advantage of those speeds, you’ll never see a drive that high

[trail kayak]

i also know that after a little bit ssds will drop draastically in speed from their marketed speeds to their q20 ish speed and then after awhile will drop to q1 speeds or something

so 90% of the time you are sitting at the q1 speed area

maybe higher

this image are the drives with the highest q1 speeds

[timid lava]

So which do you want to do than

[uncut burrow]

sleep preferably

[trail kayak]

but if you look at basically ANY other drive that isnt top market

yes they all perform basically the exact same

because every drive is literally 100 mb/s

[uncut burrow]

wh

[trail kayak]

this drive for example is the best price / perf option on the market (THIS IS NOT A PRICE / PERF BUILD)

AND it has a q1 of 80 mb/s for $27

its no wonder people say all ssds operate the same and no one notices a difference

[timid lava]

so what are we buying than

[trail kayak]

it's because the #1 ssd in terms of q1 randoms is the only ssd that is almost 5 times faster than most ssds

#2 ssd - q1 randoms is nearly 3 times faster

and these are the speeds that YOU should notice

people just in general say that this is impossible because theres literally only like 3-4 ssds that exist that you would be able to tell

and half of them are $2000 so not really worth it

[uncut burrow]

kfc

pizza hut

mcdonalds

burger king

wendys

dominos

five guys

[trail kayak]

personally i wouldnt go the NVMe WD Blue SN570 500GB besides it being kind of a joke buy because its literally a free ssd.

[trail kayak]

this ssd is literally price / performance for the sake of being price / performance

[uncut burrow]

arby's

[trail kayak]

its great for what it is. i basically wouldnt recommend any other ssd for any budget build

[uncut burrow]

chick-fil-a

[uncut burrow]

chipotle

[timid lava]

But again

Which one are you buying

[trail kayak]

i would rather go this viper ssd if i was going price / perf route

[timid lava]

@uncut burrow chill lol

[uncut burrow]

buffalo wild wings

[timid lava]

Don’t need u muted

[uncut burrow]

lmao

[timid lava]

So viper than?

[uncut burrow]

popeyes

taco bell

[trail kayak]

<@&750150305383186585>

[uncut burrow]

hi mods

im iono

[trail kayak]

if i was going cheap route then yeah

[timid lava]

Than go with that

[uncut burrow]

lmao i got blocked

did i say tim hortons

[trail kayak]

just cause it's basically $46 and it's 33% faster in 90% of tasks for a 200% price hike

[uncut burrow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZsJkcH

[trail kayak]

orr i could go for the p1600x

[solemn walrus]

HDD isnt an option basically

[uncut burrow]

or you can just like buy a pc

instead of spending 2 months doing jack shit

[timid lava]

Either or works

their all SSDs and will work the same for gaming

[trail kayak]

not from what ive seen tho

[timid lava]

So whichever you pick really does not matter

[solemn walrus]

it is

[trail kayak]

this hdd has speeds that are on par with optane drives

[solemn walrus]

youre going in a van

you dont want a HDD in a van

[trail kayak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sD848d/seagate-ironwolf-8-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st8000vn004

[solemn walrus]

dont look at HDDs

[trail kayak]

but its only $160 vs the $75 p1600x

big diff is this is 8tb and competitive

[solemn walrus]

i dont get why you would want an intel optane

or a hard drive

none of your activities benefit from a super mega ultra hyper fast ssd

[trail kayak]

hdd is just honestly good cheap high cap storage for user data

[timid lava]

Oh I forgot this is a VAN setup

[solemn walrus]

just go with 990 pros

[timid lava]

Best option

[solemn walrus]

yes
thats true
not good for vans though

[solemn walrus]

absurdly fast and damn good

[trail kayak]

look im aware of the fragility of hdds. lets just leave it there. im tired of people going ham on the vanlife build. this is not exactly a full on van life build im just wanting to build a normal pc with mild considerations on vanlife

so i dont want a vanlife pc lmao

[timid lava]

Lol

Fair enough

[trail kayak]

i want a monster pc and i will cope

[solemn walrus]

alr

but yeah...

the point still stands

if you want to move the pc around, go jsut ssds

[trail kayak]

i will tell you guys all about how my vanlife dreams were crushed when my pc couldnt turn on later

[trail kayak]

yeah and thats why i still largely discredit that hdd even though it is probably one of the best hdds on the market

[solemn walrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trail kayak]

okay well i do have a big question

why even try forking out money

for these super fast q1 speed ssds

[solemn walrus]

cause some data centers actually need them

[trail kayak]

if cache is ultimately the clutch of the ssd anyway and is faster than optane

[solemn walrus]

no consumers do

[trail kayak]

no no im asking

what if i just went the super high cache ssd routee

like why do these even exist

i feel like with 131gb of cache i wont ever run out and i basically dont need to give a fuck about it being pseudo slc, tlc, qlc, 100 rnd q1 iops or 450 rnd q1 iops

ive been told over and over sequential doesnt matter. OKAY so then i wont look at ssds with high sequentials, but this is what google is telling me about random reads and writes

i honestly wont pay $2000 for 450 rnd q1 iops but yeahhhh i might spend $75 on 220 rnd q1 iops tho

[solemn walrus]

you can buy them, they wont benefit
again, 990 pros are good enough if you wanna go overkill

[trail kayak]

i feel like the 990 pro tries to do it all and wants those high seq speeds

[solemn walrus]

yes

and it succeeds

its good at everything

[trail kayak]

well here look at this tho

it is only the 2tb version of the 990 pro

[solemn walrus]

what am i supposed to see

a gen 4 drive losing to gen 5 drives?

[trail kayak]

its not exactly about it being gen 5 thats the big deal

[solemn walrus]

990 pro pretty much maxes out the gen 4

[trail kayak]

its that the gen 5 allows the t700 to be on par with a 2tb 990 pro

better even

but again, these are sequentials so not likely to get much use out of on a daily basis

the exact t700 im looking at is the CT4000T700SSD5

AND

here are the pcpp for both exact part numbers

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7RQcCJ/samsung-990-pro-wheatsink-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v9p2t0cw

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vtn9TW/crucial-t700-wheatsink-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct4000t700ssd5

[timid lava]

Wow

5th gen is pointless as hell

Like

Very pointless

[trail kayak]

t700 isnt really worth the $500 but to me thats still like nothing in terms of budget.

if it was priced at the 990 pro, it should cost $300

[solemn walrus]

gen 5 is new technology so its pricy

[trail kayak]

yeah but it allows for higher caps on one drive

[solemn walrus]

ok, but its new so its pricy

[trail kayak]

which is always valuable. it is the ultimate goal of cell level technology

[tulip pelican]

Driving and having an hdd do not work well

It will destroy the HDD

[trail kayak]

im okay with going a little pricy tho, as long as its not insane

insane to you guys isnt insane to me lol

[solemn walrus]

it is insane though

[tulip pelican]

Paying $75 for a 118gb drive is insane

[trail kayak]

what i see is +$200 overpriced

but some of that goes towards the convenience of it being on one drive

[solemn walrus]

a 2tb 990 pro is $135
a 2tb t700 is 270

its double

for the same thing

[tulip pelican]

Yup lol

[median quail]

And here I thought storage was almost decided. What the fuck.

[trail kayak]

990 pro is $150, the t700 is $500

2tb and the 4tb

[median quail]

Don’t get a 990 pro. Don’t get a t700

[solemn walrus]

990 pro is fine

just leave it

[tulip pelican]

Probably why Intel Optane is being discontinued. Because theirs no real world advantage to it for the price it cost

[median quail]

Why not just the sabrent you linked a while ago

[trail kayak]

tbh this is what im thinking right now so far lmao

boot drive
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7mmP6/intel-optane-p1600x-118-gb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpek1a118ga01

user data
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vtn9TW/crucial-t700-wheatsink-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct4000t700ssd5

[solemn walrus]

u are aware its the same shit right

[solemn walrus]

oh my fucking god 😭

intel optane for a boot drive

crazy

[median quail]

No optane holy shit

[trail kayak]

its only $75

[solemn walrus]

isnt that slower than a pcie 4

[median quail]

It doesn’t matter

Fuck optane

[solemn walrus]

and 3x as much

[tulip pelican]

Yea what I was telling her earlier it’s slow and overpriced

[median quail]

Also no t700 PLEASE

[solemn walrus]

optane is only worth as cache tbh

[tulip pelican]

Not at that price

[solemn walrus]

uh

[median quail]

That’s what I said when this first came up a long time ago (actually like a day ago lol)

[trail kayak]

look at this

[median quail]

What about it

[trail kayak]

q1

[tulip pelican]

That’s awful.

[trail kayak]

its not

[tulip pelican]

A crucial p3 outperforms that and it’s not even a good drive

For $43 1tb

[trail kayak]

that goes to show that youve been looking at the wrong numbers

[solemn walrus]

mid

[tulip pelican]

$45 1tb drives perform better lol

[trail kayak]

also this

[solemn walrus]

slower than a hard drive isnt a good way to show

[median quail]

It’s a 118gb drive that’s 8 times as expensive

[tulip pelican]

Yea lol it’s a stupid choice

[trail kayak]

theres only 1 hdd that is faster and it is $160

[median quail]

But don’t pay fucking $75 for 118GB

[tulip pelican]

At that point buy a TeamGroup mp44L

[solemn walrus]

its $160 cause its 8 fucking terrabytes

[trail kayak]

its for a boot drive

[median quail]

Meaning it’s slow as fuck

[tulip pelican]

Yea a slow boot drive

[trail kayak]

its not its literally top market

[solemn walrus]

its $75 for a thing that costs $20 bro 😭

[median quail]

Actual lies

Holy shit who told you that

[trail kayak]

you are thinking of sequential speeds

[solemn walrus]

oh my lord

[trail kayak]

why are you mixing them up lol

[solemn walrus]

yknow what

just buy it

[trail kayak]

these are LITERALLY the fastest drives for 90% of use cases

[median quail]

Do you even know what randoms are useful for?

[solemn walrus]

order it right now

[trail kayak]

yes but here i will post this for you

[solemn walrus]

creeper

just

let her buy it

[tulip pelican]

They’re not the fastest drives tho. Lol consumer drives are faster

[solemn walrus]

if she wants

dgaf

[tulip pelican]

Gen 4 consumer drives are faster

[civic sail]

whats goin on in here

[trail kayak]

they arent. you are thinking of sequential priority drives

[tulip pelican]

No I’m thinking of random lol

[solemn walrus]

ssd that gets beaten by a hard drive

[tulip pelican]

My Crucia P3 is much faster then that Intel drive in random reads and writes

[solemn walrus]

all im saying

[tulip pelican]

And it’s a shitty qlc drive

[median quail]

ssds scatter files across the drive snyway

[solemn walrus]

by a NAS hard drive btw

[tulip pelican]

You won’t tell a difference bro in any of those use cases 😂🤦🏼‍♂️

[trail kayak]

so yeah 450 mb/s q1 is gonna be 4 times minimum faster than EVERY ssd on the market

[tulip pelican]

And still yet a consumer drive is faster in gen 4

[trail kayak]

whats hilarious is that it is gen 3 and 4 times faster

[tulip pelican]

If you base it off the p1600x or whatever which had like 1600 mb/s random read and write my crucial does 2500 random read and write q1 and it’s a $43 drive

1tb too

[solemn walrus]

shut up about ur sequentials

[tulip pelican]

Not to mention it’s almost twice as fast in sequential transfer

[timid lava]

The hell

[median quail]

P1600x vs p5 plus 1TB

[timid lava]

Did I just see chatgpt

[tulip pelican]

Even the p3 is faster lol

[civic sail]

yes 💀

[timid lava]

The hell

[tulip pelican]

The p5 obliterates it tho

[median quail]

Exactly

[tulip pelican]

Pretty sure the mp44L is faster

And it’s a $30 drive

[solemn walrus]

than a p5 plus? nah

[timid lava]

This all legit does not matter, because she’s not doing high data transfers

[tulip pelican]

Noooo

Then the Optane drive @solemn walrus

[timid lava]

like she won’t even take advantage of any of these drives

At all

[solemn walrus]

true then

[tulip pelican]

Exactly what we’ve been saying lol

[timid lava]

Like

[median quail]

Holy shit she was comparing optane to hdds. That’s why it was “top of the market”

[proven fern]

every single person has said this so far but she refuses to believe it

[timid lava]

Just buy an SSD and call it a day

it legit will make 0 difference

[median quail]

That’s what I said so many times :/

[trail kayak]

we are NOT talking about high data transferring here LOL

[tulip pelican]

It really makes no sense to buy server drives nowadays cause they’re not any faster then consumer m.2s

[civic sail]

worrying about theoretical maxes vs what you're actually going to see, performance wise, is a recipe for disaster

[timid lava]

Which proves my point you don’t need a high end SSD than

[median quail]

Then don’t get the t700

[trail kayak]

no no no

[timid lava]

You perfectly proved my point

[tulip pelican]

No matter the use case you’re still wrong lol. Intel Optane is inferior to most gen 3-4 m.2 drives

[timid lava]

Lol

[tulip pelican]

It’s outdated and also being discontinued

[timid lava]

you do not need those drives unless your handling extreme high volumes of data transfers

[median quail]

@trail kayak

[timid lava]

Which of course your not

[civic sail]

just ran a CDM with my generic 1tb nvme ssd...

[tulip pelican]

Even still consumer drives are faster so it doesn’t matter

[timid lava]

Exactly.

[trail kayak]

i am saying i am not talking about high data tranferring because these ssds i have provided do not do high data transferring

[timid lava]

A shitty Kingston will even be fine

[timid lava]

Correct
So why are we talking about such high end SSDs than

[trail kayak]

the ssds i have posted are for daily everyday use

[timid lava]

any SSD ever will perfectly be good for daily use

[trail kayak]

refer to this please

[timid lava]

I’m aware of what that is

[trail kayak]

oh yeah! all of them are good enough sure.

[timid lava]

They are

[trail kayak]

good so you read through then

[timid lava]

I’ll wait to be proven wrong

[median quail]

@trail kayak look at this

[civic sail]

chatgpt is not ever going to be considered a reliable source lmao

[timid lava]

^^^

just decide between those 2

[trail kayak]

so now you know a high queue depth 1 speed is optimal

[timid lava]

Those are good options

[timid lava]

this does not matter for what your doing

like

Your seriously overthinking this entire thing

[trail kayak]

this doesnt tell you the queue depth

im gonna need more information on this

[solemn walrus]

the what?

[timid lava]

why the fuck do you care about queue depth?

[trail kayak]

what are the exact links

[solemn walrus]

😭😭😭

[civic sail]

just say you want to waste a bunch of money on an "expensive" ssd and call it a day 😭

[timid lava]

It’s the number of inputs/ outputs a storage device can handle at once

[trail kayak]

the queue depth is the most important part like wut 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[timid lava]

No it’s not

:/

[trail kayak]

LOL YES IT IS

the iops changes depending on the qd (queue depth btw)

so something that is q20, or qd20 is going to be more forgiving than something that is q1 or qd1

[timid lava]

Almost every SSD ever can handle almost all amounts of inputs any CPU can give
Which of course if your doing high data transfers, than it becomes relevant
Otherwise, we’re wasting time talking about it

[median quail]

Queue depth: How many input/output requests the ssd can handle. So a higher iops means higher qdepth

[timid lava]

If your playing games, it won’t even go past 50%

[trail kayak]

you need to understand the difference between qd1 vs qd20 or even qd32

[median quail]

We’re talking about a boot drive

[timid lava]

Wait what ._.

I thought this was just storage.

[median quail]

The optane was her choice for boot drive

[timid lava]

wow this changes everything

yeah now this is even more pointless

just pick an SSD

[median quail]

Yeah lol

[median quail]

P5 plus boom

[timid lava]

works

[civic sail]

hey crazy question, mildly unrelated, whats up with ur bio? 😐

[trail kayak]

actually since boot is first thing. the drive might not have time to hit q1 speeds so maybe the q20 - q32 speeds are better for boot time

[timid lava]

sure

That’s fine

[trail kayak]

iops and qd all refer to randoms btw.

[timid lava]

So which drive rhan

[median quail]

And sn850x 4TB for storage

[trail kayak]

since qd with sequential doesnt matter

[timid lava]

can we please just settle on a drive

[median quail]

How often do you reboot your computer? Boot times don’t matter

[timid lava]

please

[timid lava]

Don’t don’t

[median quail]

Wdym

[trail kayak]

i saw this one too

[timid lava]

Stop

Just say

That works

Like

Any SSDS is fine

[trail kayak]

so i have a really bad habit of leaving my pc on for months on end

[proven fern]

even the shittest ssds can have like 3 second boot times lmao

[timid lava]

That’s fine

SSDs are made for longevity

[median quail]

Lol so boot times matter even less for you

[trail kayak]

yeah because low end ssds and high end ssds all have 80 - 100 mb/s queue depth 1 speeds

[timid lava]

Delete it
Mods are heavily watching this thread

saving you from a mute

[tulip pelican]

This is stupid

[proven fern]

sounds like youre aware then that it doesnt matter

[timid lava]

dude random has tried and even gave up

[median quail]

I’ve never heard of queue depth and my pc is as fast as the cpu and gpu will allow 🤔

[trail kayak]

im aware, but there are like 6 ssds where this doesnt apply so its normal that most people wouldnt know

[civic sail]

"i want to waste a bunch of money on an ssd that will provide me no benefit"

[tulip pelican]

Dream just buy whatever you want and when your drives get ran all over by a $40 ssd…well we told you

[timid lava]

Because 99999.9999999999% of SSDs can handle any and every input you give it

[trail kayak]

any ssd with a qd1 speed of 200 mb/s or higher should in theory be 200% faster than 95%+ of the entire market

[solemn walrus]

slow drive for boot and fast drive for mass storage seems funny

[timid lava]

And it’s not even using all the bandwidth for it

[median quail]

Whatever you do, don’t buy gen 5

[timid lava]

Please

Please don’t

it’s so pointless

we barely use half of gen 4

Let alone 5

[solemn walrus]

i mean

that goes for gpus

not ssds

[timid lava]

In this context, I’m still right

of course we’ve maxed it up but

[tulip pelican]

Even games will only load so fast so. Gen 5 game drives are a waste of money it’s a limitation on the engine and the cpu so no performance increases

[timid lava]

Those are people who actually push them to the max

[trail kayak]

i might not just because its a bad investment. not because gen 5 is overall bad. i agree the speed isnt the reason to buy gen 5. but most motherboards offer gen 5 m.2 slots now.

and also the gen 5 offers versatility in that it allows higher capacity storage at (basically gen 4 speed) which is like who cares when you can just go 2 gen 4 ssds then and still be under the price of one gen 5 ssd.

but i guess it boils down to max mb storage. which i wont be hitting. but higher cap on one drive ultimately helps you further push that goal

[median quail]

Gen 4 has higher capacity. “Investing” in gen 5 won’t help.

[trail kayak]

by a bad investment what i mean is the ssd market itself in terms of financial investing similar to the gpu market in the way that you should think of it as an investment like gold etc.

but in the ssd market, its basically a lose lose situation where your investment is always a bad one meaning that no matter what ssd you get, in 5 years it will be worth much less and it only scales more after 10 years, 15 years, 20 years etc.

[solemn walrus]

ssd market isnt stock market 😭

[median quail]

All computer components will lose their value hard

[trail kayak]

im not going to explain financial investing to a 16 year old prodigy pc builder

[civic sail]

nobody (in their right mind) is going to buy a used SSD, ever

[trail kayak]

yeah but i havent seen anything as hard as ssds.

[median quail]

Which is why you shouldn’t invest in gen 5

[solemn walrus]

prodigy pc builder lmao

[trail kayak]

unless the market was kind of a fluke because of m.2s and things plateau but i really dont think thats the case

[solemn walrus]

should have said prodigy insane league player

[trail kayak]

i love league

[civic sail]

it's like buying a transmission for your car. as long as it's compatible and works, buy whatever's cheapest (and still works) and don't worry about it

[solemn walrus]

impossible

you cant love league

[trail kayak]

wait why, i feel like this is an option up my alley

i can understand not buying used hdds

i dont really know much about the used market

[civic sail]

because SSDs have a limited lifespan, and at a certain point they'll become read only, and shortly thereafter be totally unusable

[solemn walrus]

+malware

[civic sail]

• you never know what the previous owner had on it... you don't want that.

[tawdry ferry]

you can't treat building a pc like stock market investing, as there is 0 return on investment in value when it comes to pc parts

[trail kayak]

but from what ive heard, isnt the lifespan so long and far out that you would never reach it anyway?

[median quail]

It depends on how the other person used it

[trail kayak]

ive heard of horror stories from power users who entered a writing forever catch 22 situation

[solemn walrus]

how long the ssd lasts is like rolling the dice

[civic sail]

anywhere from 5-15 years i think. but if you're constantly reading/writing to it, like say, playing games and stuff, that number will constantly be decreasing.

[tawdry ferry]

it depends on use case and what ssd is uses

there are those that have died a few days after use, and there are those that are still going on strong since they first came out

[civic sail]

would you ever buy a used CVT transmission?

[trail kayak]

yeah thats what i thought too.

[civic sail]

the biggest point of all here though, is, for a boot drive, just buy any new ssd and you will be fine

[tawdry ferry]

games will definitely be a constant read/write due to asset loading

[trail kayak]

be fine, sure. but i want to look at the top 5 in the market and buy the cheapest one.

[tawdry ferry]

sata 2.5

nvme ssd

[civic sail]

this is a dumb idea

[tawdry ferry]

and that there is a piss poor take

[trail kayak]

lmao well too bad cause thats what we are gonna do and anyone helping is going to have to deal with it

[tawdry ferry]

like i suggested, an sn570 would make an ideal boot ssd

[civic sail]

have fun overpaying for no reason 🤷‍♀️

[median quail]

We are all here to keep you from making bad financial decisions

[trail kayak]

no prob 👍

[tawdry ferry]

sn570 btw as a boot drive

[trail kayak]

that is absolutely not why you are here

[tawdry ferry]

it is part of it

[trail kayak]

i havent taken any financial advice in here lol

[solemn walrus]

you are here cause ure cute

:3

[median quail]

Yes it is. Don’t tell me why I’m here

[civic sail]

careful, read his bio

[median quail]

What about it

[tawdry ferry]

then like i noted earlier, you're being a fucking idiot

[solemn walrus]

im sure he understands sillyness

[trail kayak]

OHHHH

things make A LOT more sense now lmao

[solemn walrus]

?

[trail kayak]

i literally got the vibes just from talking

[civic sail]

i'm sure a <@&750150305383186585> would love to explain whats wrong with your bio

[blazing nova]

What’d he say

[tawdry ferry]

this is all useless

[blazing nova]

It’s just a bio, ig it’s either a joke or an opinion, can’t do much about that

[median quail]

It’s my opinion lmao. You got a problem with it?

[blazing nova]

Nah , everyone’s got their own opinion, it ain’t my problem

[solemn walrus]

he never brought it up, never expressed his feelings, dont see why you gotta be so pressed about it

[trail kayak]

it does explain all the roleplay pfp. usually people against the community will make 10 + profiles and flood chats and play bad cop / good cop to perpetuate their agenda

[median quail]

This is my only account in this server

[solemn walrus]

wat

[civic sail]

anyways, there's no point in buying anything other than a cheap gen3/4 nvme ssd as a boot drive

like, at all, really

[blazing nova]

Well it doesn’t have to be cheap

[civic sail]

Doesn't have to be, but still

[timid lava]

Oh we’re still on this SSD issue

[trail kayak]

definitely older than 27 tho

[blazing nova]

https://youtu.be/8I7rl1iunlY?si=_A57gcVLp98JKAT-

[blazing nova]

This is like one of the best gen 3 drives, look how fast it boots

[median quail]

If you didn’t know, boot time doesn’t matter

[blazing nova]

It does to me

[median quail]

Me?

[tawdry ferry]

that gets beaten by a sn570 tbh

[solemn walrus]

since when does the sn570 beat a 970 evo

[blazing nova]

No dram cache

It doesn’t

[solemn walrus]

oh no! anyway

[blazing nova]

Point is ive seen 970 evos for like 5 bucks more than an sn570

So there is that

[solemn walrus]

yeah but then sn770 is the same price

[tawdry ferry]

look up benchmark tests, the sn570 outlasts a 970 evo/evo plus

especially in large file transfers

[solemn walrus]

i got a shitty entry gen 3 drive and i am more than happy with it

[tawdry ferry]

that dram cache is totally pointless on a nvme drive

[vivid mountain]

We do not tolerate the intolerant. Either change your bio and never mention it here again, or leave

[blazing nova]

I mean 970 evo has 2x the tbw

[trail kayak]

so why shouldnt i go super high cache route

[solemn walrus]

cause tehyre unavailable

[blazing nova]

I doubt even high end pc’s use those

[tawdry ferry]

and the sn570 still outlasts it, hell if you get a sn580 instead you basically get a sn570 with a cache that's 100gb instead of 10-12gb

[trail kayak]

so the 131 gb cache ssd isnt real :c

[solemn walrus]

i mean its real, but idk where you can buy that

[median quail]

First of all, I never mentioned it in the first place. Do I have to remove it?

[tawdry ferry]

you're not doing production work, simples, you will not be doing anything that takes advantage of it

[vivid mountain]

Yes

[blazing nova]

The 980 non pro is better which is worse than the 970 evo iirc

[tawdry ferry]

980 uses the 970's controller

[solemn walrus]

and the kid that called everyone human traffickers and wasted everyones time and was an asshole got a 5 minute mute 💔

[trail kayak]

i was considering the sn850

[blazing nova]

honestly if you just ||shush about it, and dont mention it||||||, and forget about it , i dont think most people will care ||

[tawdry ferry]

honestly a decent drive but not worth it in your case

[solemn walrus]

might as well

[blazing nova]

some people just buy it if it's a high end system

like fair enough

like crucial p5 plus, sn850x, kc3000, 980 pro all are high end drives

[tawdry ferry]

high end gen 4 drives with dram cache

[blazing nova]

yea even better

if it's a gen 4 motherboard and you have a big budget, make use of the mobo

[tawdry ferry]

sure if you're doing video edit, but as a boot drive/general storage, nope

[blazing nova]

do people have a seperate boot drive or

[tawdry ferry]

easier ways to make use of the speed

[tawdry ferry]

yes some people do

[blazing nova]

huh strange, cause most pc lists i see here just have one 2tb drive

[tawdry ferry]

because some people like to combine it all on one drive

[blazing nova]

like 100 bucks isnt even that much for for a 2tb gen 4 drive, i bought a sata for more

[tawdry ferry]

and honestly some don't have a full grasp on data management

[tawdry ferry]

we're at a point you can almost get a 4tb ssd for that

[blazing nova]

well at the time it seemed like a good deal , it was like a year or more ago

it's kind of a preference thing too, some people just buy them cause they like them for whatever reason , like trident z ram

[trail kayak]

oh so these are the only 2 m.2 nvme ssds that have the highest cache of about 4gb

its weird, ram is becoming more like storage, and storage is becoming more like ram

[blazing nova]

yea literally no one uses those even in high end pcs

[blazing nova]

nah ram is also cheaper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PA0DrV_kiw&pp=ygUOdGVjaCBkZWFscyBzc2Q%3D

[trail kayak]

so what are high cache ssds used for then

i think i found that fuzedrive ssd

it is an slc ssd.

i think its the only one

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/enmotus-fuzedrive-p200-m2-nvme-ssd-review

[tawdry ferry]

production based video editing and rendering, high end 3d rendering

architecture

things that would make use of it's performance and nature

[tawdry ferry]

dram cache is nice on a drive, but not always needed

[trail kayak]

it seems like its similar to sequential speeds in terms of what is helps with but it actually does more

so the cache is definitely more important than base sequential speed

[tawdry ferry]

your specific use case and wants will never take use of that much dram cache

[trail kayak]

but it honestly seems more important than random r/w speed too

[tawdry ferry]

for only a few specific uses yes, for you, no

[trail kayak]

since almost all ssds have very similar random 4kqd1 speeds

[blazing nova]

if you dont know, do you really need it

[blazing nova]

it's really not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PA0DrV_kiw&pp=ygUOdGVjaCBkZWFscyBzc2Q%3D

just watch this itll probably help

[tawdry ferry]

https://www.servethehome.com/wd-blue-sn570-1tb-nvme-ssd-review/2/

https://www.servethehome.com/wd-blue-sn580-1tb-pcie-gen4-nvme-ssd-review/2/

[blazing nova]

if it's a 4090 tier budget , may as well just get a nice gen 4 like a KC3000, 980 pro or like p5 plus

[tawdry ferry]

when gaming using an nvme drive vs sata 2.5

[final violet]

I had a similar budget and i got 2 990 pro and 2 980 pro

[trail kayak]

how much should your dram buffer be

[blazing nova]

thats a lot of ssds but sure

[tawdry ferry]

several gen4 drives there btw showing that it has no performance gains over a gen 3 drive let alone a sata 2,5

[blazing nova]

if they really want it that much , just get a gen 4

[tawdry ferry]

depends on use case

[trail kayak]

do you know the amounts for each use case

[blazing nova]

similar thing with cpu coolers, some people go mad when you put in an aio

[final violet]

why not

[blazing nova]

whyd you need like 6-8tb of storage

[tawdry ferry]

not off hand but i can tell you straight away, for gaming having dram or not makes no sense at all on a nvme drive

[trail kayak]

p5 plus looks good too

[timid lava]

Have we picked a storage yet

Oh

Doesn’t look like it

[blazing nova]

slc cache, tlc nand, dram buffer, is what i was always told

[trail kayak]

i agree but this is definitely a quote lol

[tawdry ferry]

for hobbiest video editing 1-2gb dram cache is fine, any more is welcomed

[final violet]

3d modelling big model that are over 1gb most of the time plus rendering big scene... and video edition in 4k or sometime 8k

[blazing nova]

i did hear those things seperately but nah not really a quote

[tawdry ferry]

all reasons why a gen4 drive is needed over a gen 3 drive tbh

though in dreams case, totally not needed, and wasted performance on them

[blazing nova]

it's fine if you got a big enough budget

[final violet]

Ye ik if not that i wouldnt have get those

[blazing nova]

it's the same thing with aio's or expensive rgb ram , if you want it buy it, but some people get mad if you put in something that isnt a 20 dollar air cooler

[tawdry ferry]

even if you got the budget tbh, if the use case doesn't need it, it's not worth it

[blazing nova]

they did say video editing so

[tawdry ferry]

aio's it could be argued that as they're more efficient for heat transfer it's worth the spend

[final violet]

Ye

[tawdry ferry]

i mean look at the 13900k, it thermal throttles on anything less than a 360mm aio

[blazing nova]

ive seen tear downs, inside theyre really a lot smaller than they appear

[tawdry ferry]

and it's hobiest level, meaning gen3 drive with decent cache will work fine for them

[final violet]

Ye i got a 13900k i tested with my friend 280mm aio it was hard to handle it a 360mm is fine

[blazing nova]

found this just now from ltt forum Your main OS drive is better to be on a DRAM ssd. Storing games would be fine on a dramless SSD. Video editing likes fast ssds.

[tawdry ferry]

yeah, same but it's the quality you got to look at tbh

[tawdry ferry]

it's why 360mm aio is the minimum for it tbf

[blazing nova]

true

[tawdry ferry]

420mm or a custom loop is better

[final violet]

Ye that what i got on it

[blazing nova]

that cpu is just another thing, jayztwocents did a custom loop and the 13900k still got to 100c almost in cinebench

[final violet]

My case dont fit that so ye

[final violet]

Cause he probably did it bad lmao

[tawdry ferry]

he also has a 560mm rad that could keep it respectably cooled if he wanted to use it

[blazing nova]

hes done more of those than i can count, he did it fine

he just tuned it after and it was fine

[final violet]

Then why after all his custom build he almost everytime post a vid call "i made a mistake" or something like that

[tawdry ferry]

nah, his liquid cooling vids are basically the go to for learning to do custom loops

[tawdry ferry]

because it points to somewhere else there was a mistake during the vid half the time

[blazing nova]

cause it's usually something like delidding gone wrong or like he scratched the motherboard , it's just for views

[final violet]

Lmao

[noble maple]

omfg we are back to ssds?

[timid lava]

we never got off it

[blazing nova]

Ironically if she researched it it would be more time efficient

[tulip pelican]

Prefers to buy an inferior drive from 2021

[pale cove]

just stick with 990 pro and go

gen 5 is a big waste of money

rn

[deft horizon]

Even Gen4 NVMe is overkill for most consumer workloads. Not saying don't buy it, especially since it's kinda the defacto standard these days, but it's one of those "unless you know you need it, you probably don't really need it" things. I just buy whatever brand name NVMe drive (with DRAM cache) is on sale these days.

[noble maple]

fr ^

[fluid maple]

Samsung? Nah

Sn850x is tge choice threshold also a whole excel sheet if you google ssd tier list

It has most ssds in existence I'm pretty sure

It sorts them in order or high to low end and so on

[trail kayak]

yeah im not actually prioritizing gen 4 or 5.

there are gen 3 drives that perform better than some gen 4 and 5.

but i actually dont care what is / isnt overkill

the gen speed is still just an additive trait

its the whole drive itself since different drives have different advantages

[tiny verge]

I don’t think any gen 3 drive will out perform a gen 5 drive, unless made to specifically be a slow piece of shit

[trail kayak]

almost every optane drive is 3x4

there is also an 8tb nas hdd that out performs almost every ssd on the market

[fluid maple]

Well youre wrong

[noble maple]

^^

[fluid maple]

Just because gen 5 has higher bandwidth that doesn't mean a gen 5 ssd will use it all

[noble maple]

im pretty sure a gen 3 can outperform something that overheats itself

[fluid maple]

A high end gen 3 drive uses all the bandwidth available to it a normal gen 5 drive won't use all the available bandwidth bc it just fucking cant

[noble maple]

fr

[fluid maple]

It'll overheat before getting to gen 3 speeds lol

[noble maple]

exactly

[trail kayak]

gen 5 has huge potential tho. and it already shows on the t700 its just a little overpriced for what it is which is just a higher cap lossless gen 4 ssd.

you can basically have a regular gen 5 ssd still be tlc and perform at higher rates as if it were a 2tb gen 4 drive. its not really faster but its the fastest 4tb drive.

this allows you to go one 4tb drive instead of two 2tb drives. gen 4 ssds that get to 4tb and 8 tb start using qlc to acheive those capacities where with gen 5 qlc is not needed.

still minor and not worth +$200

[noble maple]

gen 5 is stupid atm

still has potential tho

[trail kayak]

its just too early

but a 4tb gen 4 ssd is actually going to not perform as well as a 2tb gen 4 ssd

[noble maple]

well duh

[trail kayak]

i honestly thought at first that cap didnt play a part in that

but it definitely does

[noble maple]

a truck at full capcity wont go as fast as the same model thats emty

[trail kayak]

its more than just tlc and qlc tho

im gonna consider

4tb t700 gen 5x4
2tb 990 pro gen 4x4
2tb sn850x
1tb p5 plus

i have more that im looking into

here are the most popular drives. which isnt a surprise

maybe ill just do a 1tb p5 plus for a boot drive. idk tho

[proven fern]

that is not showing most popular drives

[noble maple]

yayyy

damn its been 2 weeks already?

now pokey stop undoing all our work

NOO

POKEY

STOP

NO POKEY

POKEY

STOP

eh aactually imma let this play out

keep doing whatever imma go afk

im pretty sure dream has you blocked anyways

alr

gt 710

just buy like a dozen

yes

infinite performance glitch

yes

these are the best for 1k

fr

wdym the 1080 is actually 5k

thats a steal for a 1080

and you gonna ignore that ati card

lmao

1080ti is like 150 used

yep

[blazing nova]

way less

[median quail]

No, just no. You’re literally just trolling

[noble maple]

duh

[blazing nova]

bruh

idek why theyre looking into this so much

[noble maple]

lmao

pokey is a silly billy

[blazing nova]

it's just an ssd, you want the best get a 980 pro / kc3000 or those gen 5 aorus ones , no big deal

[median quail]

Enterprise is made for enterprise, consumer is made for everyday. Getting enterprise anything for a gaming pc is beyond stupid. I’ll talk to you after you stop

Until then, shut the hell up

Give proof of this making a difference

[noble maple]

lmfao

[tulip pelican]

Water cool gen 5 drives

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

All the performance

[noble maple]

yes

[tulip pelican]

I think JayzTwoCentz actually did that in a video lol

[tulip pelican]

😂😂

Imagine water cooling Optane drives that underperform lol

[noble maple]

lmao

[tulip pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1053367125038858400.webp?size=48&name=what~2&quality=lossless

[noble maple]

how is vr gonna help with productivity

[median quail]

ok, now youre just actually lying

you are the one asserting that fact, you back it up

[noble maple]

his hw finna be laate

[median quail]

its not my homework

you said that, you back it up

[noble maple]

yes it is

[median quail]

or else, it cant be taken as true

ltt, jayztwocents, gamers nexus

[noble maple]

those arent facts silly

no idea

[median quail]

all i ask is that you show me credible benchmarks where different environments affect ssd performance

[noble maple]

cheese

[median quail]

then im going to assume that statement is false

[noble maple]

whats your favorite game

[median quail]

<@&750150305383186585>

please do something about this user. they are not contributing anything to the thread, and introducing non-tech related topics (again).

[noble maple]

uh oh

ok

csgo ig

what happened to dream anyways

she probably went to sleep or something

[median quail]

she used to (or maybe still does idk) sleep 90 minutes a day because of this. dont try to wake her up

[noble maple]

noooo pokey

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1141675617461473401/1141676414869979178/caption.gif

no way perfect gif to explaain dream

fire gif

[pastel flax]

@trail kayak

[pastel flax]

Facts

[noble maple]

bruh

wtf

warship deleted 2 messages

[noble maple]

make inventory publoc on steam or else 😠

make it publoc

[pastel flax]

?

[noble maple]

lemme see ur inventory 😠

[noble maple]

do it 😠

or help me get my gfs steam acc unhacked

[pastel flax]

Why are you looking at my steam profile

[noble maple]

either one

[noble maple]

cuz im bored mafaka

whyd you put it on your dc profile then?

[median quail]

Can we keep discussions relevant?

[pastel flax]

So people who I’m in Vc with can friend me to play with me?

[noble maple]

nah

make inv public or i nuke you

[pastel flax]

Fine

One sec

[median quail]

Bruh, what?

[noble maple]

yayy

[pastel flax]

Why do you care

[noble maple]

cuz

i wanna see

[pastel flax]

Like genuinely there’s nothing good in it

[noble maple]

plus i barely see a public steam acc on here

[pastel flax]

Fine ima just send pics of it cus I don’t wanna go through the hassle of making it public

[noble maple]

its sad how many people link private steam accs on here

[noble maple]

alr

🙂

yippee

[pastel flax]

You happy?

[noble maple]

yayyy

you have literally nothing

[pastel flax]

I told you lol

[noble maple]

ik

idc

my inv better

but idc i like to see other peoples steam inv

[pastel flax]

The literal fuck

How much have you spent on cs

[noble maple]

xenoreaper is stacked as fuck

[noble maple]

100

🙂

[pastel flax]

K?

[noble maple]

50 was free money

from idiot friend

[pastel flax]

Cus you have stuff worth way more than $100

[noble maple]

i do?

i dont keep track

wait i DOOO?

HUH?

[pastel flax]

Bruh

You have skins worth $50 each

[noble maple]

bro xenoreaper inv private

[noble maple]

show

i don believe

[pastel flax]

Just look at your invin

[noble maple]

ive looked through my inv hundreds of time

where

[pastel flax]

Also move to dms let’s keep this forum on topic

[noble maple]

right

[pastel flax]

This is the topic

[noble maple]

yes

i found that in another server

[tulip pelican]

Tbf the discussion is useless at this point

[pastel flax]

Real

I get she needs help with all this but at some point it’s getting repetitive

Like what is this the 4th post?

[noble maple]

i think so

[median quail]

But still. I don’t want random discussions to make it worse

[pastel flax]

This

[noble maple]

nahh

[median quail]

?

[median quail]

3rd

[noble maple]

no, random discussion good

[median quail]

am i going to have to report you too?

[pastel flax]

#public-chat

[noble maple]

ew

that place is wierd

[pastel flax]

For random chat go there

[median quail]

or #off-topic

[pastel flax]

Yes

[noble maple]

wait thats a thing here

[pastel flax]

This forem is for someone building a pc not random discussion

[noble maple]

3 forums

wait

oh wait no its 3

[pastel flax]

Yes she has made way to many forums but that dosent change that this ain’t #public-chat or like creeper said #off-topic

[noble maple]

public chat is wierd ngl

especially since the bread incident

[pastel flax]

Bruh bread da best

[noble maple]

but yeah you got a point

[noble maple]

nah bread incident was something else

[pastel flax]

You got 2 options

1. Stop using this as a general chat and go to #public-chat or #off-topic

2. Creeper and I will report

[noble maple]

uh oh

[pastel flax]

Dude

[median quail]

says bread is weird
has bread role

[noble maple]

shhh

[pastel flax]

Real

[noble maple]

its not wierd its just getting repetitive

[pastel flax]

@noble maple also please stop DMing me random things

[pastel flax]

Final reminder

[noble maple]

alr chill

[noble maple]

also nice new pfp

[pastel flax]

Fr

It’s a starfield one

[trail kayak]

i never thought about this. but i have the money to be able to.

i did the same thing with nintendo 3dses

for ips vs tn screens

i bought like 25 n3dses

[median quail]

i wouldn't recommend it, as its not worth the wildly inflated price