💟 i am still building my first pc 💟 part ii

[final violet]

I got 2 of them plus 2 980 pro

[trail kayak]

in terms of my personal budget

[blazing nova]

modest?? it's like one of the highest end ssds

[trail kayak]

thats good

[tawdry ferry]

Modest option is more a sn570

[final violet]

💀

[blazing nova]

if you want the best just get one of the gen 5 gigabyte ones if you have money to burn

[proven fern]

you better be constantly editing 8k video or youre burning money

[tawdry ferry]

Not really not in what you plan to do

[final violet]

🤔

[proven fern]

0 real world performance improvements for most people for 5x the price of a cheaper ssd with same capacity

[blazing nova]

probably even less tbf

sata

[tawdry ferry]

Mp33 would be super budgeting

[blazing nova]

true

theres also some lesser known brands on amazon that are cheaper

or a crucial p2

[tawdry ferry]

Never a qlc nand drive

[tiny verge]

Or plc

[blazing nova]

nah but fr how long has this build taken , i dont know

yall seem a bit irratable at the choosing

[tiny verge]

Since july

[trail kayak]

alr so whats better

a m.2 nvme ssd slot with pcie gen 5x4 speed off the chipset? (ik 5x4 isnt made for the chipset usually)

vs.

a m.2 nvme ssd slot with pcie gen 4x4 speed off the CPU?

[solemn walrus]

same thing

[blazing nova]

kekwwait

[solemn walrus]

5x4 is faster

[tiny verge]

Mhm July 26th

[tawdry ferry]

No difference in the end

[tawdry ferry]

If directly via cpu, less so when via chipset

[blazing nova]

no offense , but this would be a better recommendation

[trail kayak]

ig my question is

whats more important

cpu or 5x4

cpu as in m.2 slots off the cpu

[tiny verge]

Scissors is the goat

[blazing nova]

paper might be the winner too ngl

[tiny verge]

Heck maybe even rock

[proven fern]

it quite literally doesnt matter

[trail kayak]

i thought m.2s off the cpu were better

[proven fern]

on paper sure but you'd never actually realize that difference

though cpu for you anyway cause you arent even using a gen 5 ssd

[blazing nova]

arent most ssds gonna be off the gpu

cause it's pcie

[trail kayak]

no?

[proven fern]

no

[blazing nova]

hmm

[final violet]

Lmao no

[solemn walrus]

wtf r u on about

gumball

i thought you knew better than this

[blazing nova]

i was thinking of something else

[solemn walrus]

and where do those pcie lanes come from

[blazing nova]

direct storage 💀

[tawdry ferry]

usually they are

[solemn walrus]

ure still wrong

[final violet]

Lol

[trail kayak]

so i should be happier about m.2s off the cpu more so than gen 5 m.2s

[proven fern]

yes

[tawdry ferry]

yup

[trail kayak]

okayy

[solemn walrus]

gen 5 m.2s are never a reason to be happy mostly

[blazing nova]

i probably thought that cause the top ssd is like just under where the gpu plugs in

[solemn walrus]

😭

stop making it worse

[blazing nova]

[trail kayak]

i would also say cpu m.2s are more important than how many sizes it supports

so like a 2-size (2260 / 2280) m.2 off the cpu is still better than a 4 size m.2 off the chipset.

[proven fern]

Yes

Especially since the only size you'd buy is 2280 really

[trail kayak]

yep

sizes can still be nice tho for versatiltiy

[median quail]

But 90% of ssds are 2280, so they’re not at all important

[solemn walrus]

this isnt a netflix show, you dont need variety in the m.2 slots

[tawdry ferry]

it's more like it's better when it's connected directly to the cpu than going via chipset, not the amount of physical sizes tthat the socket and standoffs can handle

[proven fern]

Also there's definitely ways you can put "unsupported" sizes

[tawdry ferry]

which is why primarily the m.2 nvme that is connected to the cpu is used as the boot drive

[proven fern]

The only thing that means is if there's a screw for ot

Doesn't mean you can't use smaller ssds

[trail kayak]

yep im aware of the stand off screw thing

i was confused at first awhile back but got this answered here

hey quick question

i just wanted to ask for clarification

this is the 2nd time ive seen this

but its reworded

im guessing this means raid 0 1 and 10 work for nvme

but no raid works for sata

and im guessing sata6g_e1, sata6g_e2 etc would just be the names of the sata ports

[tawdry ferry]

it means hardware raid wouldn't work on the sata ports, but software based raid can still

[trail kayak]

ohh okay

[tawdry ferry]

still not something you'd ever need to deal with

[trail kayak]

so why does raid 5 and 6 never pop up on these motherboard raid support

or 50 or 60

[tawdry ferry]

because of what it requires

[trail kayak]

does raid 5 and 6 require more

[tawdry ferry]

requires more drives, and they all need to be the same size

raid 0 + 1 only requires 2 drives

raid 10 requires 4 at minimum

[trail kayak]

oh i know those requirements

[tawdry ferry]

again, raid is something you don't need to concern yourself with at all

[trail kayak]

so when they list the raid support at the end of each mb storage spec list its always just based off the number of slots

[tawdry ferry]

not necasserily so

sometimes they can list it to have certain raid types still due to compatability with certain cards

but though it's based on hardware raid which in itself is kinda dead as a use

and software based raid can be set up the same way

still though, raid specifically in your use case, not needed, not warranted, not a concern at all

[median quail]

(Don’t worry about it, and don’t ask anymore questions about it here)

[trail kayak]

how is software raid different from hardware raid

[tawdry ferry]

hardware raid is directly set up via bios and also uses a HBA raid card alongside it

software raid is setup from inside an OS

[trail kayak]

so setup is different

[tawdry ferry]

and doesn't require a HBA raid card

still though in the end it's something you will not need to deal with at all

[trail kayak]

is setuo the only difference

[tawdry ferry]

setup and the use of a hba is the main difference

[trail kayak]

so they function the exact same

[tawdry ferry]

and i'll still have to re-iterate that it's not something you'll ever need to do with your setup

[tawdry ferry]

yes

[trail kayak]

what is hba

[median quail]

Host bus adapter

[trail kayak]

is it a card that goes into one of the pcie slots

[tawdry ferry]

yes, primarily needs a pcie x8 slot

you're not building a nas/das to back up data to nor for remote storage access, there for totally not needed for you

[trail kayak]

whats a das

[tawdry ferry]

same as a nas but using a desktop pc for it

which essentially is what my nas build comes under

[trail kayak]

i thought nas used a desktop pc for it

or are those just hub things

[tawdry ferry]

nope, jellyfin/synology have a built unit which you just add drives to which are nas's

ones that use a desktop are home made nas's, which can also be called das's

direct attatched storage is what it means i believe

[trail kayak]

are those brands

[tawdry ferry]

2 brands that do nas systems yes

[trail kayak]

what is ASMedia ASM1061?

it says 4 of the sata3 connectors are off this thing

instead of the chipset or the CPU

[noble maple]

legit just google it

its basically a sata controller

but why the fuck do you need to know this?

[median quail]

That’s actually the most basic google question

[tulip pelican]

99% of the stuff she asks can be found on google

Thought we established this

[median quail]

But that’s actually like the simplest copy paste to find the answer

Some of the others aren’t as easy to find

[tulip pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-idk-man-shrug-gif-13000707

[tawdry ferry]

sata controller via chipset, nothing new

[tawdry ferry]

i already got the feeling we'll parrot each others answers in different ways

[trail kayak]

new to me

[median quail]

That’s a first……

[noble maple]

oh boy

[tulip pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-fuck-here-we-go-eric-cartman-south-park-splatty-tomato-here-we-go-again-gif-20405889

[noble maple]

cartman stfu

[simple tide]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[tawdry ferry]

@trail kayak still working through mobo's

[trail kayak]

yeah

[solar python]

How are yall still talking about the exact same things as when I last looked.. which was about 30k messages ago 😂

[median quail]

switched to storage, and then psus, and then storage again, and then motherboards again

[solar python]

Ight, see yall in another 30k messages 😀

[pale cove]

We are close to choosing one

or she is I think

[median quail]

oh please 🥺

[noble maple]

would be a miracle

[magic hemlock]

I need a pink pc now xD

[trail kayak]

girl same

[noble maple]

PIGEON?

damn not a dove 😭

[magic hemlock]

You can get pink 4090

[noble maple]

stop giving her ideas

then we gotta explain more shit

[trail kayak]

WHATT SHOW ME

[noble maple]

oh boy

[trail kayak]

all the gpus are ugly af

[magic hemlock]

Lemme find the link

[trail kayak]

please girl i beg

[noble maple]

rude

[trail kayak]

😭

[noble maple]

stop being mean to the poor 4090s

https://www.techradar.com/news/gorgeous-rtx-4090-models-are-popping-up-but-im-worried-about-the-pink-tax

[magic hemlock]

It was a 4070 not a 4090 buthttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Galax-GeForce-GDDR6X-192-bit-Graphics/dp/B0C4F51XMC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2HEY6FD1JUXPR&keywords=pink+rtx+4090&qid=1694138230&sprefix=pink+4090%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-1

[trail kayak]

damnnn its so cute tho

[noble maple]

ew

i saw a 3090 that was pink too

[trail kayak]

i just saw fan cards. whats the point of them

https://youtube.com/shorts/e5ESrA0wN7g?si=6Pe0QAJ4lbBOz2dt

[noble maple]

cooling obviously

[trail kayak]

it looks strong

[noble maple]

no you do not need a fan card

no you should not get a fan card

[trail kayak]

is it strong enough to replace all of the other fans

[noble maple]

its a ridicuolus pc accesory

you dont need one

and dont get one.

its for agps and pci gpus btw

ancient technology

@median quail she found more off topic shit to ask about smh

[median quail]

getting more cooling for some pcie card

[median quail]

definitely not

[noble maple]

agps and pci cards

thats what the actual product description of THAT specific one

[median quail]

ahhheemmmmm

[noble maple]

exactly

[median quail]

soooooooo:

you don't need it
dont ask about it
if you want to know more, google it on your own time, and dont post about it here

everyone will get very annoyed

[tawdry ferry]

just get a whit case, spray paint it pink, it's cheaper than getting a pink case and you can have a decent case rather than being limited

[tawdry ferry]

for extra airflow over some components, and tbh you can make your own for cheaper

[tawdry ferry]

nope it only helps

[tawdry ferry]

less so when it's usable to put infront of raid nvme cards

[tawdry ferry]

@trail kayak@magic hemlock way better a card in comparison, and with it, you just take the shroud of, disconnect the fans, lightly sand the shroud and spray paint the shroud whatever colour you wanted

[trail kayak]

why sand it

[tawdry ferry]

so the paint has a texture it can grab on to and not peel off

[trail kayak]

okay

[tawdry ferry]

after all that you just reattach the fans and screw the shroud back down

the fans them self are ARGB so you can set the colouring to pink

[tawdry ferry]

similar to what you would do to a case to make it pink

[tulip pelican]

If that’s the powercolor hellhound the fans are only rgb

Non addressable. They only change the white and blue. Biggest reason I went with the asrock Taichi over the powercolor

[solemn walrus]

booo

[tawdry ferry]

yes, though they show it doing purple also in a fe pics

[tulip pelican]

Every post and review I see says blue and white

Tbf tho the blue does look almost purple

Theirs a led switch I believe to switch on/off/and colors

Yea only 2 colors

[tawdry ferry]

hmm, well even if left white the led's would make the pink colouring pop

[tulip pelican]

True

I’d get the asrock Taichi white tbh tho. It’s fully addressable gradient rgb

Cause just change the color to pink with a white card

[solemn walrus]

well, 4090 anyway

[tulip pelican]

Meh

[trail kayak]

i honestly might go the t700

[tawdry ferry]

that would be a bad choice

you're not doing anything that will gain nor use it's performance

[trail kayak]

the intel optane is better

[tawdry ferry]

nope

[trail kayak]

but the intel optane drives use u.2

[tawdry ferry]

neither of them are a good choice for what you plan on doing

[trail kayak]

and are discontinued so i probably won't be able to buy them unless i get used

[solemn walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-fairlyoddparents-burning-money-gif-4486655

[tawdry ferry]

quite literally

[solemn walrus]

tldr of the thread

[tawdry ferry]

if this thread gets forced closed by mods and you start another one

[tawdry ferry]

i'mma treat it as a troll

[solemn walrus]

kc3000 is the max thats reasonable honestly

[tawdry ferry]

all based on a website that provides the worst misinformation

ubm

[proven fern]

how can you make the right conclusion that the 13900ks is overpriced for what you need then you want to get intel optane or a t700

all logic is out the window

[tawdry ferry]

they want a 4090, which will be no good for a van life scenario

[proven fern]

basically none of the use cases you given even warrent a mega fast ssd

[median quail]

Don’t get the t700

Just don’t

[trail kayak]

the iops qd1 is the best way to gauge your real world performance

qd32 is the potential max

[solemn walrus]

😭

[tawdry ferry]

and yet still in your case and being realistic to it all buying the fastest drive will not help you

[fleet cove]

If you guys are talking about van life gaming why not go with a laptop with an egpu or even just a laptop it'll be more efficent

or like ROG ally or the deck

[tawdry ferry]

egpu would be a poor option, it reduces the performance of any decent gpu

[fleet cove]

Yeah I was mainly thinking the laptop part and then the egpu popped in my head

[tawdry ferry]

and several gaming laptops that have upgradability really are worth going for

[fleet cove]

do you mean aren't

or are

I'm like the framework 16in looks amazing

[tawdry ferry]

i.e. asus tuf a15, a17, rog strix g15,g17

[tawdry ferry]

not worth it if you're gaming

[proven fern]

Framework just isn't worth the price

And doesn't have the performance behind it

[fleet cove]

How is the framework 16 not worth it for gaming? just interested

[tawdry ferry]

i could get a decent 7#40 + 4070 laptop for under 2k and i can upgrade the ram on it + add extra storage

[fleet cove]

I mean your paying for repairability and upgradability for me it's worth it

[fleet cove]

but once you need a new cpu/gpu you gotta get a whole new laptop

[tawdry ferry]

lol, you'd be doing that on the laptops i just suggested already

[proven fern]

You act like other laptops are impossible to repaur

Screen replacement, ram, ssd are easy on most laptops ngl

[trail kayak]

it has the highest performance for day to day use.

[fleet cove]

They're getting harder and harder not sayingg impossible

[tawdry ferry]

the case of all laptops, and the framework ones are super limited for choice whithoput it costing 1-2k more than what i just said

[proven fern]

What else is actually going to need to be repaired

And upgradability?

[fleet cove]

GPU, CPU, Batteray, motherboard traces, that break ports are known to break on anything

[proven fern]

Just buy a laptop now and in 3 years when you wanna upgrade buying another new one would be better than upgrading a framework again

[trail kayak]

im not getting a laptop right now.

[proven fern]

Battery is also really easy to break

[tawdry ferry]

dell g15, asus tuf a15/strix g15, lenovo ideapad 3 gaming/legion 5, all with amd cpu's in and with easy upgradability tbf instead, possibly second hand for certain gens, these laptops can be gotten with medium to high specs at reasonable prices, while also have suitable cooling for the pairings, and when bought with an amd cpu inside, they have a longer battery life in comparison to ones that have an intel cpu inside

[proven fern]

Gpu and cpu are basically never the failure points or a laptop

[fleet cove]

for upgrades tho

[proven fern]

Again upgrading framework gpu/cpu would cost as much as buying a new laptop

So at that point why not buy a new laptop

[tawdry ferry]

there's a couple more, but these are the main ones you can upgrade and repair/replace parts yourself

[fleet cove]

because that's E-Waste and you lose some repairablity I understand they're pretty close but to me it's a no brainer

[proven fern]

Framework still needs to come down in price until it's a viable option for most consumers

It's not ewaste?

Give someone the old laptop?

Use it for something else?

[tawdry ferry]

no, but also at the same time, you're selecting some parts that pretty much will be doing what the image woopy showed

[proven fern]

It's only ewaste if you throw it away

[fleet cove]

Sorry I meant it's a worse option cause in the long run it creates more waste

[proven fern]

Which framework would still pretty much have that problem if you're throwing away old working cpu/gpus

[fleet cove]

I appoligize I worded that wrong

[proven fern]

It creates less waste imo

It's a lot easier to have a laptop be reused than old framework parts

[fleet cove]

No because now when the laptop breaks you can't reuse the screen the gpu and cpu it all goes in the trash (or most of it)

[proven fern]

Donate it to a tech shop for repairs

You're the one deciding it's ewaste

Also unrepairable laptop you gotta fuck up pretty hard for that to happen

[fleet cove]

I mean that is partly true it depends on the laptop

[proven fern]

You keep saying when it breaks but shit doesn't just randomly break most the time

[fleet cove]

I just think in the long run there is alot more waste made when you pick a normal laptop over a repairable one. And that doesn't mean the normal one sucks. I personally just think it's worth the investment fort the upgradeable/repairable one.

and I mean stuff does break my sisters laptop wouldn't power on cause the charging port broke

[proven fern]

You haven't even listed any good reason or even a source to hack it up

You can definitely get a charging port fixed

[fleet cove]

You can but it's more expensive and more complex then just swapping in a new port

[proven fern]

At the end of the day it's the user who decides if it ends up as ewaste or not

[fleet cove]

I agree

[proven fern]

More complex sure more expensive doubt

[fleet cove]

The only reason I've seen that I agree with to not get a framework. is that it's not a huge company so who knows how long they will last. and like sure great reason to be sus, but I would be surpised if framework dies

[proven fern]

Again it's a decent idea just too expensive to make sense for regular consumers

Right now you're paying extra for a lot less performance and repairability you might not even ever need

[fleet cove]

if you value your time as anything near min wage which is $7 in the us then yeah it iis more expensive

the USB C port is $9

[fleet cove]

can we say alot less performance we haven't seen it in action

[proven fern]

We can because we know the specs

They can't just magically make the parts faster

[fleet cove]

I thought we only knew the CPU and not the GPU

Oh we do know the GPU's now

Forget what I dsaid I was mistaken

So I know the Laptop is expensive

Is the GPU that expensive

$400 for a RX 7700S

I'm looking for some performance benchmarks

[proven fern]

its like a 4060 laptop

you can get them for under 1000

[tawdry ferry]

unless it was a thin 'n light then the charging port is not directly soldered to the mainboard

[fleet cove]

it was a thin and light

I mean again not the perfect comparison

If the RX 7700S is close to a 4060 laptop performance

[proven fern]

lower spec cpu version only 16gb of ram and only 500gb of storage

thats 2.4k usd btw

[fleet cove]

with or without gpu?

[proven fern]

with

[fleet cove]

How did you get that

[proven fern]

you can literally get laptopsm with 4080s for that price

[tawdry ferry]

tbf a 4070 laptop can be bought for around 1500 tbf

[fleet cove]

Mine is $2337 with the 7940HS 2x16gbs and 1tb storage

let me check something maybe I forgot to select something

[proven fern]

could possibly be cheaper on the us store as well, mind you that is still ridicously overpriced for the performance you get

oh i didnt even pick ports

[fleet cove]

Yeah I'm like for me with ports that are reasonable

Ethernet

usb C a couple A and a displayport

it's still 2500 which is expensive don't get me wrong

Let me change mine to your parts

and matching your parts with PowerAdapter is 2121

idk I see where your coming from and I'm not denying it's expesive

[proven fern]

btw the problem is nothing youre doing day to day can take advanage of the speeds

[fleet cove]

I just think for alot of people it's worth the cost

And also as tech people at least for me it's just got that extra cool factor

of it being repairable upgradeable and stuff like that

[trail kayak]

then what benefits from the speeds?

[proven fern]

video editors and data centers pretty much frankly

only people who are dealing with 4k+ footage often

if direct storage was good their would be more of an argument for gaming but its garbage currently soo

[waxen isle]

anything purchased yet?

[final violet]

Dont think so

[tawdry ferry]

🤣 no

[median quail]

It’s so sad it’s funny

But it’s also so much more sad, that it wraps around back to sad again

[trail kayak]

i thought this was for seq r/w

[trail kayak]

yeah youre thinking of sequential

the t700 has one of the highest random r/w speeds

[solemn walrus]

and you need randoms for?

[median quail]

It’s the highest, because it’s just straight up faster

[trail kayak]

not only this but its actually not overpriced. its accurately priced for what it is. its just expensive for some people.

[median quail]

And ssd randoms will be pretty fast anyway

[median quail]

It’s not worth the price, because you get nothing out of it for gaming

[solemn walrus]

or folding

or AI

[median quail]

Unless you’re the most enthusiastic file copier

And even then, it’s not really worth it, because gen 4 is already super fast

[median quail]

What even is this

[solemn walrus]

apparently best price to performance

[median quail]

Why do I see at least 4 hdds on there

Also what the fuck Is their rating??? It’s literally just a number

[solemn walrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median quail]

You could make up any bullshit number and say “oh this is the best because I put the biggest number on it”

[solemn walrus]

userbenchmark type of shit

[median quail]

Real

They said intel 11th gen was better than ryzen 5000

[solemn walrus]

[trail kayak]

passmark

[trail kayak]

again sequential speeds

[unborn pulsar]

bro how are you still looking for parts

how long does it take 💀

[pastel flax]

Fr

[median quail]

Why are you looking at drive benchmarks

[median quail]

Until after 37k messages and 50 off-topic discussions

[tulip pelican]

Has she bought anything yet lol

Or she just trolling everyone

[noble maple]

probably at this point

[median quail]

Please no

[noble maple]

i meannnnnn

[pale cove]

Tbh if I was trolling I wouldn’t spend so much time on it

like

it’s just a waste of time

to troll this long if she is

so she probably isn’t

[noble maple]

so shes just dense

[trail kayak]

how do you plug in a u.2

[noble maple]

did you at least google it?

[trail kayak]

i dont really understand the adapter

if i ask about what i saw on google. we will be here for awhile.

[noble maple]

alr

[trail kayak]

i just know u.2 is an enterprise connector

[noble maple]

we know the same

[trail kayak]

the u stands for something i forget

its nvme like m.2s but its not an m.2. they are 2.5 form factor ssds

[tiny verge]

Why do you need to know if it’s an enterprise connector

[noble maple]

fr ^

[trail kayak]

thats just what google told me

[noble maple]

plus you dont really need a u.2

[trail kayak]

i just want to know how its even plugged in

[noble maple]

you dont need to know

[trail kayak]

its better to just tell me. instead of fearing what ill do with the info

im never gonna go

"oh yeah that thing i wanna know? just forget about it"

[noble maple]

im not fearing what youll do with the info

its just fucking pointless

you dont need an enterprise ssd

[trail kayak]

like if im not told here. i will find out one way or another

[tiny verge]

Then do that

Google

[noble maple]

^^

[trail kayak]

so you dont know

[noble maple]

im pretty sure like 80% of the stuff weve told you ws googled

was*

[tiny verge]

Yea, because it’s useless information

[noble maple]

no really

[steep rune]

So what parts do we have now

[noble maple]

no fucking idea

[midnight nova]

I thought we’d done this already in the old thread

[trail kayak]

im not trying to learn about u.2s again

i just want to see how impractical an optane is

[tiny verge]

These parts have been picked

[noble maple]

sounds like you are

[trail kayak]

like where do you put it

does it go in a 2.5 bay

[noble maple]

its a 2.5 ssd

so obviously yes

[trail kayak]

so then how does it plug in then

[median quail]

optane?

[noble maple]

the u.2 at least

[median quail]

not all of them, not even close

[noble maple]

optane is like a gpu right?

[noble maple]

google alr

tell that to google

[median quail]

what?

there are pcie cards, and regular m.2s

though the pcie cards may just be carriers for them

[noble maple]

yeah like a gpu

(to explain to dream)

[median quail]

she knows what pcie cards are

(or should at least)

[noble maple]

oh mb

[noble maple]

yeah

[trail kayak]

storage aic

[median quail]

whats aic?

[trail kayak]

add in card

[median quail]

ohhh yeah

[trail kayak]

its just the proper name or whatever

but its just a storage expansion card off the pcie

[noble maple]

yeah

wait

a storage expansion card gives you more ssd slots

[trail kayak]

aic along with msata on laptops together with enterprise technologies influenced how we use m.2 today

[median quail]

depends on how you define it tbh

[noble maple]

yeah ig

[median quail]

although, as i said, the intel pcie optanes may just be in m.2 expansion cards

[noble maple]

why do we need to talk about enterprise storage again?

[median quail]

well, theyre not
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12136/the-intel-optane-ssd-900p-480gb-review

[noble maple]

yeah they are pcie cards

[median quail]

she wants to know why optane is a bad idea

[noble maple]

bro

[trail kayak]

im p sure the ###p are older and worse than the p####x

[median quail]

they are not as fast, take up more space, and, since theyre no longer being produced, are wildly overpriced

[noble maple]

huh?

[median quail]

also, if you do end up getting an ATX x670e, youll have far more m.2 slots than pcie slots, and they will be faster

[trail kayak]

the ###p

[noble maple]

ooh nvm

hashtags threw me off

[median quail]

the what?

[noble maple]

optane

hashtags are placeholders for model names or whatever

[noble maple]

like 900p here

[median quail]

ohhh

[noble maple]

yeah i was confused too

[median quail]

nah, theyre not

1760 MB/s vs 2600MB/s

but the (example, p1600x) is for storage pool caching, not a boot drive

[trail kayak]

whats that

[median quail]

optane is more like dram than nand, so they can be overwritten many more times than traditional nand, making them perfect caching drives for something like ZFS

[noble maple]

whats what?

storage pool caching?

[median quail]

if you know what caching is, and you know what storage pools are, it should be easy

[noble maple]

knowing dream

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure-stack/hci/concepts/cache

wait

is that the right thing?

[median quail]

ive explained pools to her before

[noble maple]

still

[median quail]

yeah, using an ssd to speed up hdds or something

[noble maple]

ah i see

[median quail]

or using an nvme ssd to speed up sata, but that doesnt usually happen (sata is not worth it for storage servers. its usually either hdds with ssd/ram caching, or high speed nvme without caching because theyre so fast)

[noble maple]

yep

[median quail]

but......we're not doing anything with pools so optane is a waste

[noble maple]

yeah

[median quail]

why tf cant we just get something like a crucial p5 plus (500GB), and an SN850x (4TB) and call it a day

since she clearly doesnt want gen 3

[noble maple]

exactly

n there isnt much wrong with gen 3

[trail kayak]

im p sure you havent

[trail kayak]

dram is the storage cache right.

im p sure optane is still slower than dram even with 3d xpoint

but maybe the 3d xpoint functions like a dram and maybe its similar to 3d vcache on cpus.

[pastel flax]

I genuinely think she’s trolling at this point

[pastel flax]

Fr I got 970 evo pluses and there amazing

[median quail]

i have

[median quail]

its slower than dram, but still way faster than hdds

[trail kayak]

the only time i remember talking about "pools" was when i asked about raid support

[median quail]

yeah

thats what i was talking about then

[trail kayak]

but you never got into raid 0 or raid 1 or anything

[median quail]

so?

i still explained drive pools

[trail kayak]

that cant be what you are talking about now

[median quail]

caching storage pools?

[trail kayak]

no one even talks about them using the word pools.

[median quail]

yes, yes it is

[median quail]

now thats just wrong

[trail kayak]

and idk what tf "cashing" is

[trail kayak]

nope

[median quail]

thats not how its spelled

[trail kayak]

you are the only one i ever heard talk about raid with pools

[median quail]

who have you heard talk about raid

[trail kayak]

it makes way more sense the way i learned it

rather than it being some vague understanding of storage pools lmao

[median quail]

a pool "pools" your drives together

its that simple

[trail kayak]

this hasnt helped me at all

just left me with more questions

idek why tf you are bringing up raid rn

[median quail]

how, actually how

[median quail]

that was you, not me

[trail kayak]

nope

[median quail]

yes it fucking was

[tulip pelican]

Have you consider the concept that you may be beyond anyones help

[median quail]

i said optane is used for caching of storage pools

[trail kayak]

you

[tulip pelican]

I mean you did get infatuated with USB for like 2.5 weeks so

[trail kayak]

and you refuse to tell what that is lmao

[median quail]

and you said the only time i brought up pools was when you asked about raid

[tulip pelican]

Probably cause its irrelevant

[median quail]

do you know how long it takes to look up "cach definition" on google?

[trail kayak]

if you arent going to help

then just leave the thread

[noble maple]

Hello chat

Oh bad timing 😭

[median quail]

....

[trail kayak]

whats even the point

also, im so tired of everyone thinking they know my use case so well.

[tulip pelican]

Well your gonna be in a van not a data center so

[median quail]

we are all incredibly tired of explaining useless things to you. if you tell me to leave because i wont look up a word for you....

[tulip pelican]

Don't think you need enterprise drives lol

[tulip pelican]

Google be hitting different tho

[trail kayak]

then leave. i dont get it lmao

[median quail]

?

[tulip pelican]

joke

[trail kayak]

you are the one using the word tf? you dont have the common decency to explain what you are saying because you get off to some power kick

[median quail]

fine, here you go. are you happy now?

[trail kayak]

no i literally dont know what that means

just confused

[tulip pelican]

Well then your beyond anybodies help

[median quail]

how

should i rephrase it?

[noble maple]

If it helps, the word is underlined in the definition. Meaning that if you click it, it'll explain what those adjectives mean too

[trail kayak]

im literally just asking wtf he means by caching lmao

[median quail]

high speed data storage that makes retrieval of frequently accessed data much faster

[tulip pelican]

Maybe lookup the definition of caching lol

memory caching yano

[trail kayak]

thats just cache you dumbass

[noble maple]

🤔

[median quail]

cache and caching is the same you dumbass

[trail kayak]

i already know what cache is

[median quail]

what the fuck

[tulip pelican]

then why are you asking lol

[trail kayak]

you didnt even explain it to me

[noble maple]

Cache is the noun, caching is the verb. They are the same thing, don't worry

[trail kayak]

cause the mf was saying some shit about how caching and pools and raid are all the same thing

ffs

[tulip pelican]

No no this is too complicated dumb it down a bit more please

[noble maple]

😭

[trail kayak]

and its like

[median quail]

i never ever said that, wtf

[trail kayak]

i never even asked

i just wanted to know how to plug in an optane drive

[median quail]

dont use optane, end of story. dont ask about it anymore

[trail kayak]

no

fucking no

jfc

you dont get it

[median quail]

you dont get it

[trail kayak]

im literally not going to stop

[tulip pelican]

Why don't you google it

[noble maple]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-the-chip-chips-chip-eating-chip-man-eating-three-chips-gif-18885184

[tulip pelican]

or youtube it

[median quail]

im not handing every to you on a silver platter

and neither does anyone else want to

[trail kayak]

🙄

[tulip pelican]

Noone with a reasonably sized brain anyway

[noble maple]

Okay genuine question

[median quail]

"whats caching"
hmmm maybe i should google it, because itll give the most direct answer

[noble maple]

If you knew what cache was, what was unknown about caching?

[trail kayak]

what they meant

[noble maple]

^

[median quail]

caching is another form of cache

i dont want to seem rude, but did you even learn parts of speech?

[tulip pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[trail kayak]

just dont even bother "helping"

[noble maple]

-ing is used for verbs, so caching is just the action of what a cache does. Does that make sense or?

How can I clarify it

[tulip pelican]

tbh probably not

[noble maple]

Help me help you

[median quail]

what the actual fuck

[noble maple]

😭

@trail kayak So you know what a cache is, right?

[tulip pelican]

Was stuck on usb terminology for 2 weeks

Never in my life have I seen someone so incapable of grasping knowledge right infront of them

[noble maple]

Dream, please answer the question. I'm not mocking you, it was a legit question 😭

[median quail]

how do you not know basic parts of speech

^literally 10 second google search

[trail kayak]

yeah

[noble maple]

Okay, could you tell me?

Just so we're on the same page

[trail kayak]

no

lmao

[noble maple]

Wait so.. you don't know or do you know

[tulip pelican]

I'm not trying to mock but at this point like how did you make it through public school curriculum

[noble maple]

😭 now I'm confused

[tulip pelican]

Honestly

[noble maple]

I'm confused how that's a thumbs down 😭 I asked if you knew, you said yes, I asked if you could define it, you said no. So do you know it or do you not know it?

I am asking a legit question

[median quail]

why are you mad that, after 37k messages, people are understandably tired of your either useless, or painfully googleable questions (like "whats caching", even though you should know its the same as cache)

also the fact that we're either half, or less than half through the part selection

[tulip pelican]

Has anything been bought lol

[median quail]

not that i know of

[tulip pelican]

Not sure theirs actually a pc being built at the point

[noble maple]

There hasn't been 😔

[tulip pelican]

Most unfortunate of oofs

[noble maple]

did you read the link i sent?

that would maybe help

this bullshit ngl

[tawdry ferry]

as you want to
1: game
2: folding
3: boinc
4: ai
5: video edit (hobbiest level not professional production based level)

A) anything over a gen 3 drive will literally be pointless as you will see no performance enhancements for any of it
B) the cpu's IPC will be mattering the most
C) the COMPUTE POWER of the gpu will matter for the last 3 options
D) the CUDA cores for rendering if you're using adobe software and streaming it
E)if using davinci resolve for video editing then any NVIDIA gpu is pointless as it gives no advantage over any AMD gpu especially if you're going for AV1 instead of H.264 as nvidia cards are only good for h.264 meanwhile amd cards are good at h.265 (primarily) and av1 (7000 series only) meanwhile intel's offering of gpu's also excel at AV1 and are much cheaper compared to both, but at the same time isn't that great for gaming with (yet, next gen may change that)

[tawdry ferry]

mobo is not be sorted out, nor has ssd properly

[tawdry ferry]

it's one style, STOREmi is amd's own way of storage caching, there is also another program that works the same way though it's only worth using if, and only if you're using hdd's and in dreams own case that's a really big NO

[tawdry ferry]

that's because there's nothing much needed to say about them, raid 0 = stripping or otherwise known as spreading data chunks over several drives, raid 1 = mirroring or otherwise known duplicating what one drive has to another drive

and unless you're building a NAS there is no need to use any kind of raid

not even JBOD

hell with AI alone you will need more than just the compute power, the amount of ram for compiling with the cpu, as well as the amount of cores, realistically you should be going intel not amd

@noble maple think you might of missed it when i compared a pc to the human brain, as that is the most accurate analogy for them

[trail kayak]

im pretty sure this is mostly about sequential speeds for better video editing

the t700 and the optane have some of the highest random r/w on the market

at first i thought the t700 was just a sequential horse

but that's not the case

[solemn walrus]

..

[solemn walrus]

yeah all of that is fractions of seconds when comparing a gen 3 drive to a gen 5

[trail kayak]

okay but im looking at almost all of these motherboards, and they all come with gen 5

[solemn walrus]

sure

doesnt mean you have to put a gen 5 in it though

[trail kayak]

i havent seen a 3x2 m.2 slot

unless it was paired with sata3

why not put a gen 5 or even a gen 4 in there

[solemn walrus]

i was just giving an example

ffs

[trail kayak]

you guys will literally see that my build is high budget, and just decide, nah we arent doing that

[solemn walrus]

holy fuck

i was giving an example and youre taking it like a suggestion

[trail kayak]

theres a couple other options besides the t700

but some of them dont make sense to me

[tawdry ferry]

ffs, YOU ARE NOT DOING PRODUCTION BASED VIDEO editing at all

[trail kayak]

again that is seq not rnd

[solemn walrus]

just go for a fast gen 4 💔

[tawdry ferry]

and this results in not even Needing a single gen 4 drive ever

[solemn walrus]

i get a gen 4 drive, gen 5 is silly though 💔

[tawdry ferry]

no we see it as someone being more troll like and burning money for a build that'll never happen

[tawdry ferry]

also no as file editing tends to be large files not small ones

[trail kayak]

another reason i like the t700 is cause it doesnt seem to perform worse than it's 2tb version

and idc about the heatsink cause it comes with the heatsink just like ram

[tawdry ferry]

and a completely pointlessly stupid purchase as you're not in a company doing a big production video edit for something like a movie

where the speed of that drive will be used and needed because of the video being shot in 4-8K

even in AI, it would not be able to make use of 1/4 the performance of the drive

[trail kayak]

again that is only the sequential speed

[tawdry ferry]

no it fucking isn't

it is not small files at all

[trail kayak]

so random r/w determines the video editing performance?

[tawdry ferry]

sequential for small files
randoms for large files

[tawdry ferry]

for the transfering of it, yes

[trail kayak]

i was told the opposite

that seq isnt really helpful unless you are doing a lot of video editing

[tawdry ferry]

which is for the likes of video editing in a production setting

literally looking for any drive above gen 3 in your specific case will be a false purchase for the performance

some gen 4's might be ok just due to their price, but you will not be using even half their speed for their performance

resulting in REAL WORLD USAGE of the system as 0 performance gains

you could pick out the best of everything and end up with using only 1% of it's total performance with the other 99% sitting there doing sweet fuck all

[trail kayak]

does the 990 pro come in 4tb?

[tawdry ferry]

search on pcpp

[trail kayak]

it doesnt seem like it does

only 2tb

[tawdry ferry]

though wasted performance for the drive with what you want to do

[trail kayak]

yeah im p sure the 990 pro hasnt released the 4tb yet

NVMe Samsung SSD 990 PRO with Heatsink 2TB it looks like this 990 pro has the best performance of them

[tawdry ferry]

still would be half the performance used at best

[trail kayak]

a lot of ssds of the same model usually perform worse at higher capacities even if they are both tlc

but the t700 4tb seems to retain it's performance and capacity

as if the gen 5 speed allows it to contend with gen 4 ssds that are 2tb

for this reason i will probably move away from the 990 pro + heatsink

because it only comes in 2tb

the t700 isnt the only ssd to achieve this tho

but XPG GAMMIX S70 BLADE 4TB is also able to perform similar to gen 4 2 tb ssds

except that it is also gen 4 and it is 4tb

capacity performance differences are usually just because of data density, but that doesnt seem to be the case since they are both tlc

so whatever performance difference there is must be relatively minor and due to innate higher capacities having more overhead

[tawdry ferry]

and pretty much for cooling purposes all gen 3 drives laugh, half the gen 4 drives laugh, and gen5 drives act like that avergae snowflake trying to find a safe space

[trail kayak]

yeah but they come with a heatsink and its actually not a big deal

[tawdry ferry]

perfomance wise doe not mean a larger capacity drive performs the samy as a smaller capacity drive

[trail kayak]

im saying they dont

they usually dont

[tawdry ferry]

there's multiple other variables like type of cache and size

[trail kayak]

yeah but im talking about differences within the same drives

so like 990 pro heatsink vs no heatsink

990 pro 1tb vs 2tb

also if i do a boot drive the t700 1tb is still a good option too

i can rule out the sabrent rocket 4

but i might do the sabrent rocket 4 1 tb for the boot drive

[tawdry ferry]

no, no it is not

a t700 is wasted as a boot drive

literally will be no faster than a sn570 for loading up your OS

it's not like a v8 vs straight 6 in a drag race for speed

you will have no gains, the speed will not be used

you will see no real world performance from it in a boot drive

[trail kayak]

is this cars

idk anything about cars

[tawdry ferry]

again throwing money away because "oh it's fast, it must be the best to use"

[tawdry ferry]

yes

when the v8 = gen 4 and the straight 6 = gen 5

the way your pc will be like 90% of the time

[trail kayak]

im already aware of this

[tawdry ferry]

this will be what your storage be like as well

in performance especially when it comes to the os loading up

which tbh also proves my point of, no real world performance gains

i can already give you a straight up setup that would match to what you're wanting from the system just as easily as any one else on here, the thing is, you're treating it as "got to have the fastest of everything for my system to be able to do what i want"

which totally is not the case

[trail kayak]

yeah i feel traditionally, there isnt much difference

[tawdry ferry]

nothing traditional about it tbh

[tawdry ferry]

for an OS drive, anything over a gen 3 nvme is a waste of a drive

[tawdry ferry]

this one is pointless considering what you want to do with your system

[trail kayak]

also that sn570 is 2tb

[tawdry ferry]

and i use a 500gb version of it

[median quail]

ffs stop looking at optane

[tiny verge]

👆

[noble maple]

^^^

[tawdry ferry]

how the pcie lanes are split out for am5

[median quail]

But like……..does it matter?

[tawdry ferry]

because how they asked previously, though in the long run, b650/650e still the better mobo

[pale cove]

What are we looking at rn

[noble maple]

no idea bro

[pale cove]

the picture above hurts my brain

[noble maple]

yes

[median quail]

The x670e one is so confusing

[trail kayak]

should i get qlc ssd for anything?

ik how it works and its for more capacity but like is it better for anything or just always worse lol

[median quail]

If you get a game drive, that could be qlc

[trail kayak]

okay and why is that

[noble maple]

QLC tends to have slower endurance than TLC but for those interested in gaming, unlikely they'll accumulate enough data to need a TLC. There are good QLC SSDs though like Intel 660p

[trail kayak]

well ig what i mean is

why would speed not matter on a game drive

[noble maple]

If you're interested in matching speed with TLC but don't want to pay as much, you could match SLC and QLC

[proven fern]

Cause games can't take advantage of it

[trail kayak]

i already know about psuedo slc drives that act like dram

[noble maple]

^^

[trail kayak]

dram is still better than slc

[noble maple]

You can go higher up if you want to, but you could also buy a QLC for storage and use a TLC as a boot drive

[trail kayak]

how large is the pseudo slc usually?

like whats the cap on that part of the drive

https://sabrent.com/products/sb-rocket-nvme4-1tb

might do this for a boot drive

[median quail]

Wdym

[median quail]

That’s fine. I’d recommend the 500gb version

[trail kayak]

wait this is only for the PS5 isnt it

[trail kayak]

500 as in 512?

and are 512gb boot drives better than 1tb boot drives?

[median quail]

It’s compatible with the ps5. You can also use it for your pc

[median quail]

There’s no difference other than size. Most people get a 500gb one because they don’t need any bigger

You can get either, it doesn’t really matter.

[trail kayak]

does this mean this board has a u.2 port on the mb?

[solemn walrus]

oh my god not u.2 again

[tawdry ferry]

no it means you'd need an adapter, and also would be a dumb thing to get

stop trying to go for server stuff in a pc that isn't a server

[trail kayak]

does the adapter come with the mb or with the u.2 ssd?

[solemn walrus]

use google

https://www.asrock.com/mb/spec/card.asp?Model=U.2 Kit

[tawdry ferry]

neither, it's optional and should not be touched

at this point it'll never be built and it'll have parts that will never work together

[trail kayak]

so intel optane doesnt provide you with the adapter for their ssds?

[tawdry ferry]

duh

and intel optane is not a drive for you to use

so get it out of your little head

[trail kayak]

ive seen the kits already

so the kit is just another name for the adapter

[tawdry ferry]

doesn't matter, it's not a drive for you to use

[trail kayak]

what i dont get it that this is not a u.2 connector

[tawdry ferry]

wtf do you think a sas connector is?

u.2 is part of sas

and you have no need for any kind of sas drive

[trail kayak]

ik that

[tawdry ferry]

you are not running a server

[trail kayak]

but this doesnt look like sas to me

[tawdry ferry]

you have no need for it

end of, simples

[trail kayak]

so there would be no storage on the kit tho

like whats the point of shaping it like a real m.2

[tawdry ferry]

because it's an adapter you have to add a cable to ffs

and yet again, you are not doing a server

simply put you have no need for this

[trail kayak]

i dont see why the cable cant just plug into the mkey slot

[tawdry ferry]

you're researching into the wrong area

[trail kayak]

or why there isnt a cable thats just mkey to u.2

why mount the adapter to an action replay looking dumby card

[tawdry ferry]

because it's not directly compatible and you need some circuitry to convert it, hence the fucking adapter

[trail kayak]

its really. mkey to whatever this connector is and then this to u.2

[tawdry ferry]

and still, you have no need for this

[trail kayak]

that makes sense

[tawdry ferry]

you have no need for any sas drive of any kind

YOU

ARE

[trail kayak]

sas and u.2 that ive seen dont look like the square connector on the u.2 kits im seeing

[tawdry ferry]

NOT

BUILDING

A

SERVER

YOU

HAVE

NO

NEED

FOR

THIS

!!!!!!

[trail kayak]

sas and u.2 that ive seen dont look like the square connector on the u.2 kits im seeing

[tawdry ferry]

FUCK OFF WITH THE SAS

my 4 year old niece would of picked out parts by now for a pc

[trail kayak]

so you dont know what that connector is personally?

[tawdry ferry]

i do, it fucking tells you on the board

[trail kayak]

if you dont know, that's fine. i will keep searching.

[tawdry ferry]

i already am using it in my nas build

[trail kayak]

a nas seems like a good option

so you personally use the u.2 kit

[tawdry ferry]

not for van life, you would need that remotely stored somewhere else

[tawdry ferry]

i have a HBA card, it's essentially the same thing while using full sized sas connectors not mini ones

[trail kayak]

so you are saying this square connector is called mini sas

[tawdry ferry]

read what it says on the fucking picture, it directly says that ffs

[trail kayak]

im guessing that is a yes . . . ?

found it 😇

😊 thank you~

so now for my next question, does the u.2 adapter throttle speeds and act like a bottleneck?

[tawdry ferry]

fucking says it duh, you have the reading comprehension of a toddler

[trail kayak]

i didnt see that

thats funny tho since i posted that pic lmao

[toxic apex]

im so lost

im reading this

[trail kayak]

i just feel like using an adapter on a u.2 ssd will slow it down, but im not sure

[toxic apex]

and dont quite get all the in depth research on building a PC

ps im coming from a much friendlier place than the above...

[trail kayak]

🫶

[tawdry ferry]

this is the third one they've done in build a pc with no actual pc designed nor built

[toxic apex]

i know ive been following for a lil bit

i just want to see their POV to all the depth

[trail kayak]

so now for my next question, does the u.2 adapter throttle speeds and act like a bottleneck?

[tawdry ferry]

and discussing irrelevant storage options for a build that will be going in a van

[toxic apex]

coz in some sense it is a bit unnecessary but also maybe they just wanna learn i guess

[solemn walrus]

and we wonder why the threads kept getting locked

[trail kayak]

they arent getting locked because of me lol

that's been well established

[toxic apex]

i agree with you to an extent. there is no need to search all this for a normal gaming PC but we dont need to be a dick. we can simply just move on

[trail kayak]

its not a gaming pc

[toxic apex]

what is it for?

[trail kayak]

i initially put gaming as the #1 use case just cause i had a different batch of people back then and i was on cpu

[tawdry ferry]

it's primary roll is gaming, anything else is secondary

[trail kayak]

so to mitigate the people i had back then, i had to put gaming as #1

[trail kayak]

it is not

which is why i mostly ignore the use case statements

[tawdry ferry]

@toxic apex summarised it way earlier

[tawdry ferry]

poor take, use case matters, what i listed is the use's it will be for

[trail kayak]

partially

anyway tho, lets get back to topic please.

[tawdry ferry]

the rest of it is secondary functions and features as all of it can be done on any gaming machine

and again, no sas drives

[solemn walrus]

such a shitty topic though

[trail kayak]

i just want to know if the u.2 kit will bottleneck a u.2 ssd

[tawdry ferry]

and the topic needs to be put as part iii not part ii

[trail kayak]

or if the adapter will slow down the u.2 ssd

[solemn walrus]

probably not

[trail kayak]

cause adapters can do that with other things right

so i just was wondering here

[tawdry ferry]

it will be going a sas speed/nvme speed depending on what drive is use

and even still, you are not needing it nor will ever be using it

[trail kayak]

so it does limit the speeds of the u.2 ssd?

so plugging the u.2 ssd into a proper u.2 port is always better then?

[tawdry ferry]

depends on the drive, and still not something you need or will ever use

[trail kayak]

i tried asking google days ago. but i couldnt find anything.

[trail kayak]

how so

3x4 for example sounds like a bottleneck

(i already know gen 3 is fast)

[tawdry ferry]

it's not ffs

[trail kayak]

how so

[tawdry ferry]

gen 3 = pcie 3.0

[trail kayak]

ik that

[tawdry ferry]

and the x4 means 4 lanes

[trail kayak]

ik that

[tawdry ferry]

means it will be running at pcie 3.0 x4 at most

[trail kayak]

yeah that doesnt sound great but thats okay

[tawdry ferry]

nothing else needed to be said about it

[tawdry ferry]

you know what also doesn't sound great, using a u.2/sas drive as your os drive

[trail kayak]

well ig i just want to know if adapters / the u.2 kit forwards the speeds of the u.2 ssd and doesnt impact speed at all

OR

if it slows down the speed of the u.2 ssd.

[tawdry ferry]

not selecting your mobo before selecting anything else after the ram and cpu

[trail kayak]

so yeah i actually can't access my mb notes atm as i am away, and i dont want to stray away from the current topic though.

[tawdry ferry]

you don't need to fuck around like this at all

pick a damned mobo first

[tiny verge]

👆

[tawdry ferry]

with out that, you will never know what you can get to work with it

[trail kayak]

i would have picked a mb much earlier but i didnt know what everything on the mb was

[tiny verge]

It doesn’t matter what everything is

[trail kayak]

i disagree. lets just leave it at that

back to topic tho.

well ig i just want to know if adapters / the u.2 kit forwards the speeds of the u.2 ssd and doesnt impact speed at all

OR

if it slows down the speed of the u.2 ssd.

[tiny verge]

Why are you still talking about u.2?

[trail kayak]

cause im trying to figure something out. i am willing to go as fast or as slow as i am being helped.

i pretty much wont be satisfied until i figure it out. and im trying to look around. i can't find anything.

[tiny verge]

Do you think you could go fast enough to where you can pick a motherboard before 3000 messages

[trail kayak]

after i get an answer, i can proceed.

[toxic apex]

A U.2 SSD port is a type of interface that allows for the connection of Solid State Drives to a computer or server. It was primarily designed for enterprise and high-performance computing environments. U.2 ports use the 2.5-inch form factor, similar to traditional hard drives, but they are specifically designed to accommodate SSDs, which are much faster and more reliable than mechanical hard drives.

Compatibility: U.2 ports are commonly found on enterprise-grade motherboards, server boards, and some high-end consumer motherboards. They provide backward compatibility with SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) and SATA (Serial ATA) drives, making it easier to upgrade storage solutions without requiring a complete overhaul of existing hardware.

Performance: U.2 SSDs support high-speed data transfer rates, often utilizing the NVMe (Non-Volatile Memory Express) protocol. This results in significantly faster read and write speeds compared to traditional SATA SSDs.

Hot-Swappability: Some U.2 drive bays and enclosures support hot-swapping, allowing you to replace or upgrade SSDs without powering down the entire system. This feature is particularly important in mission-critical server environments.

Power Delivery: U.2 ports typically provide more power to the connected SSDs compared to M.2 slots, ensuring that the drives receive the necessary power for optimal performance.

Enterprise Applications: U.2 SSDs are commonly used in enterprise servers, data centers, and high-performance workstations where reliability, speed, and data integrity are crucial.

Physical Compatibility: U.2 drives come in a 2.5-inch form factor, which makes them compatible with the standard 2.5-inch drive bays found in many server and storage enclosures.

While U.2 SSDs are less common in consumer-grade systems due to their enterprise focus, they offer impressive performance and durability for applications that demand high-speed, high-capacity storage solutions.

[tiny verge]

And google.com will give you that answer

[trail kayak]

the message count is because of everyone else

[trail kayak]

nope

[tiny verge]

Did you copy and paste that from google?

[trail kayak]

i already know what a u.2 is

[toxic apex]

what is it you want to know then

[toxic apex]

chatGPT lol

the difference between the speeds?

[tiny verge]

Then you should not it’s not for consumers

[trail kayak]

i want to specifically know,

if the u.2 kit / adapter that must be used (if the mb doesnt have a u.2 port) slows down the speed of the u.2 ssd SINCE it must go through an u.2 adapter instead of going directly through a u.2 port

[toxic apex]

okay fair. now i wanna ask what type and how big are the files hypothetically going to be?

[trail kayak]

i dont know the answer to this question.

[toxic apex]

but essentially the adapter does not affect the speed you are limited to the ports speed

so if you are connecting via SATA then you are limited to the SATA ports speed

which is still not slow

well depending on the use case

[trail kayak]

so do you know this for sure? or are you just assuming?

like do you have a source (since googling it is so easy)

just a simple source to verify that information.

[solemn walrus]

if you cant find the answer on google, then you should know its a shitty question

[toxic apex]

rule of thumb. anything that is NOT connected via external ports (I/O ports on the back of your motherboard or case) is not limited to cable speed (UNLESS STATED OTHERWISE ON PACKAGING)

what i am saying is USB cables and ethernet cables etc have speed ratings on them. internally it is all technology based. like is it using SATA or NVME or U.2

U.2 uses NVMe based technology

but because you dont have a port for it

[trail kayak]

ik this already

[toxic apex]

you connect via adapter to a compatible port

SATA being slower

[trail kayak]

u.2 doesnt use sata tho

[toxic apex]

FOR EXAMPLE: if you connect a U.2 SSD to a motherboard via a SATA adapter, you'll be limited by the SATA interface's speed, which is slower than PCIe.

[trail kayak]

i dont think it can plug in via a sata adapter

the u.2 connector is very similar tho

so then are most optane drives 3x4 then? by this logic

[toxic apex]

If you're using a PCIe adapter for your U.2 SSD, make sure you connect it to a PCIe slot that provides enough lanes for your needed performance. For the maximum speed use x4 or x8

[toxic apex]

this idk

[trail kayak]

i dont think ive seen many x8 ssds

if any

[toxic apex]

x8 is for more than 1

[trail kayak]

i only mean m.2 slots not pcie slots. (ik m.2 uses pcie tho)