💟 i am still building my first pc 💟 part ii

[trail kayak]

theyre fucking ass

[tawdry ferry]

nope, it's in many things

[trail kayak]

so a SKU is literally just a upc with letters

[tawdry ferry]

yes but way more informative

[trail kayak]

yeah, kind of

i can literally do ALL of these with a upc

[tawdry ferry]

upc just basically goes "it's this brand with this model at this price" for the better part when it comes to POS

still, back to tech

[trail kayak]

im indifferent. lol.

[tawdry ferry]

mobo needs to be selected

[trail kayak]

its not

[tawdry ferry]

it does, without out one selected, none of it's going to work

without one being selected you can have all the storage in the world and never be able to use them

the mobo is the central nervous system of a pc

where as the cpu is the brains of it

the ram is short term memory

the storage is long term memory

and the psu is the heart of it all keeping it working

[trail kayak]

honestly no one here can really help with mb

i really do have to just work on that on my own time

[tawdry ferry]

yes, yes they can

[trail kayak]

i already tried

anyway so why does this PSU have 4 different part numbers?

[tawdry ferry]

same part number different market

[trail kayak]

like different region only

[tawdry ferry]

simple as that

[trail kayak]

i learned new stuff about case form factors today.

theres a lot more to it

but also

i learned that the pcpp type for psus is also just form factor

so, whats up with psu form factor

how are they all not the same size

[tawdry ferry]

form factor also implies size for where they will be used

like you wouldn't use an atx psu in an itx build

but you would use an sfx/mini-itx/flex atx psu in an itx build depending on the case

[trail kayak]

page 1 - 26 = atx psu
page 26 = flex atx ???
page 26 - 27 = itx
page 27 = sfx
page 28 = tfx

so there is only 5 types of psu form factors

and honestly. i have no idea what any of them mean.

you might think atx is simple but its not lmao

like how does atx mean anything here with psus

atx is just the size of the mb

[tawdry ferry]

as for mobo choices
mATX:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ng2WGX/asrock-b650m-pg-riptide-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pg-riptide-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n8nypg/asrock-b650m-pg-riptide-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pg-riptide
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dFzhP6/asus-tuf-gaming-b650m-plus-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b650m-plus-wifi

ATX:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Pz2WGX/asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wkFbt6/msi-mpg-b650-edge-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mpg-b650-edge-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J8WzK8/asus-proart-b650-creator-atx-am5-motherboard-proart-b650-creator

[tawdry ferry]

because ATX is the psu standard

[trail kayak]

i dont think i have the tuf in my database

wdym

[tawdry ferry]

ATX is standard, the rest are non-standard

the original psu standard was AT

[trail kayak]

oh you just mean atx is the most used psu size

[tawdry ferry]

which was only 12 pin

[trail kayak]

ik that already

[tawdry ferry]

no not this

[tawdry ferry]

nope

ATX is the modern PSU standard

[trail kayak]

i understand mb form factors

[tawdry ferry]

literaly as i said

nothing more nothing less

[trail kayak]

that doesnt help me tho

sorry

[tawdry ferry]

it does, it's as straight forard a reply anyone can give

the original standard = AT (12 pin), it then became ATX (20 pin), which then later became ATX (24 pin)

[trail kayak]

i learned those as motherboard standards not psu standards

[tawdry ferry]

what is known as the 24 pin is actually a 20+4 pin

[trail kayak]

p sure at = advanced technology and atx = advanced technology extended

im p sure not every 24 pin is 20 + 4

[tawdry ferry]

EATX and XLATX are not standard mobo form factors

[trail kayak]

yeah ik

i already told you ik about mb form factors

im confused about case form factors and psu form factors

[tawdry ferry]

they're a relabeling of ssi ceb/ssi eeb

[tawdry ferry]

because you're mixing the 2

[trail kayak]

im pretty sure i am separating the 3

lol

[tawdry ferry]

nope, not if you're getting confused on form factors for different things

doesn't matter if part of a name is shared when they're totally different

[trail kayak]

idk what you are saying

[tawdry ferry]

ATX = standard, anything other than that is non-standard

[trail kayak]

hey look, i just wont ask you about form factors

its alright

thanks tho

[tawdry ferry]

what's to be confused about when it's really that simple though?

[trail kayak]

idek what you are saying is simple

[tawdry ferry]

this

it really is that simple

[trail kayak]

i already know what atx is lmao

[tawdry ferry]

you only get it in the terms of a mobo, not psu

[trail kayak]

yeah p much

atx mb is not the same as a atx psu

[tawdry ferry]

no matter what on both, ATX = standard

[trail kayak]

👍

[tawdry ferry]

and tbh mobo's only got that because of the psu

[trail kayak]

i would assume so

lmao theres like 26 pages on atx psus so yeah. looks standard to me

ig i just dont have anything great to say about the statement atx = standard

[tawdry ferry]

the rest as i said, are non-standard

[trail kayak]

very eye opening

[tawdry ferry]

flex atx = not standard, wouldn't be using it normally

[trail kayak]

oh i get it now

youre just mad cause i want to know more about the fucking form factors lmao

[tawdry ferry]

sfx = shrunk down atx making it for small builds only, and not a standard

[trail kayak]

mf, just let me be and figure it out if you arent gonna just tell me

[tawdry ferry]

nope, i'm calmer than a leaf on the wind

[trail kayak]

ffs i wasted like 10 mins on this conversation

all for p h i l o s o p h y

[tawdry ferry]

atx as standard

atx12vo (non-standard and for only a select few psu's and mobo's as well as a modified form used in oem builds)

you will find none of this was philosophy at all

[tawdry ferry]

page 1 - 26 = atx psu
page 26 = flex atx ???
page 26 - 27 = itx
page 27 = sfx
page 28 = tfx

the only ones to know depending on an itx build or not

as sfx is for itx builds, and atx is for everything else

[trail kayak]

well thats what im saying

i didnt know what you were trying to teach at first

and then at the very end i realized you were just trying to make a point

[tawdry ferry]

and in your own use case, it'll be just ATX

especially due to the gpu you plan on going for

still need to choose a mobo though

[trail kayak]

what are ekeys for

ik its internet related

so are they not for storage at all

[tawdry ferry]

you mean m.2 'E' key?

primarily wifi is what it's for

this is what you can do via each key

A+E/E key is primarily used for wifi, m.2 cards

[trail kayak]

so hkey jkey Kkey lkey dont exist yet

what is the SMbus

[tawdry ferry]

also there's 4 mobo sizes/form factors that's not listed on pcpp mainly due to how they're used and where they're used, and not available to consumers individually

[trail kayak]

looks like ckey and dkey arent in use yet either

[tawdry ferry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Management_Bus

simple google searching again

though smbus is built into bios/chipset that you don't even need to concern yourself with it

[trail kayak]

is this part just redundant

[tawdry ferry]

yes

[trail kayak]

cause anything with 4 lanes should support 2 lanes

[tawdry ferry]

just means if there isn't enough it'll drop to a lower speed via lane dropping

[trail kayak]

this is for m.2s btw

[tawdry ferry]

quite obvious of that

[trail kayak]

isnt lane dropping something they can all do

[tawdry ferry]

nope

not all will do that

[trail kayak]

how do you know if it has lane dropping

[tawdry ferry]

it mentions it in the info for the mobo, with redundant info like you sent a pic of

but tbh, it's redundant mainly due the fat you wouldn't notice the difference in speed

[trail kayak]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650M-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-10-11/sp#sp

does this motherboard have an E-key

[tawdry ferry]

yes

[trail kayak]

i cant find it

[tawdry ferry]

as it has a m.2 wifi 6 card

it's hidden under the cover and heatshink for the vrm's

i'd skip gigabyte in general

better to deal with a company that has decent customer services, than one that would blame you for their own defects

[formal zinc]

Didn't they pcb crack for their GPUs?

[tawdry ferry]

3080 waterforce had corrosion due to their desigh, and yeach some cracking as well as the exploding psu issue

[formal zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh7N2F-9ZbY

[final violet]

@trail kayak when you gonna do your van design i will be able to help you size i did study in designt too

[steep rune]

A third thread?

Wow

This is actually a phenomenon

[tiny verge]

Mhm

[solemn walrus]

its theoretically part iii not 2

[trail kayak]

gigabyte sounds awful

[solemn walrus]

meh

[trail kayak]

ty this would be great

[solemn walrus]

theyre fine

[final violet]

Np

[noble maple]

3rd thread lesgo

[median quail]

How so?

[final violet]

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

[solemn walrus]

..

thats such a shit example

to ridicule a company

[median quail]

Oh that version of their psu

They make good motherboards and gpus tho

[final violet]

What did you expected lol

[proven fern]

Not really

ESPECIALLY with how they responded to it

That was worse than the fact they blew up

[solemn walrus]

MSI did the same shit

asus did the same shit

[proven fern]

Msi is also bad

Asus is also bad

[solemn walrus]

what other companies are there bro

[proven fern]

Evga has like one motherboard

Asus customer support and msi is a little less bad than gigabyte though probably

[final violet]

Ye

Msi kanda have a better one then asus

[proven fern]

At least asus when motherboards were burning cpus they only pulled a oops your warranty may be ignored but the problems fixed instead of

Hey actually the psus only blow up when the load is high so it's not a real problem

[final violet]

💀

[proven fern]

Also forget the customer support fpr a second

If a psu blowing up isn't a good point to ridicule a company what even is lmao

That's so fucking dangerous and shows a lack of proper qc

[solemn walrus]

can also blame the OEM then

[median quail]

With that logic, you’d better stop buying from every company, because they’ve all had some kind of horrible product or service at some point

[solemn walrus]

nestle

[proven fern]

Wasn't really the point i was making or anyone here frankly

[proven fern]

absolutely but its not confidence inspiring if gigabyte doesnt test products they are going to sell themselves even if they didnt manufactor them

[final violet]

Ye

[tawdry ferry]

waterforce 3080 begs to differ

their whole customer service is a massive letdown

[tawdry ferry]

funny fact, it was a single chipset and not on all of them

[trail kayak]

honestly i still cant find the ekey on that mb

im convinced it doesnt have one

[median quail]

It doesn’t

From the fact that pcpartpicker doesn’t list it under m.2

[solemn walrus]

live without one

[median quail]

Yeah it’s not rly that useful

Especially if it already has Wi-Fi

[tawdry ferry]

it doesn't list it but it does

[median quail]

What motherboard is this

[tawdry ferry]

mobos with wifi cards like the aurous have them hidden under the shroud that covers the I/O

aurous b650m

[solemn walrus]

if the mobo site doesnt list it, it prob doesnt hav eit

[trail kayak]

yeah pcpp usually does list it there so it must not have one

[median quail]

So it’s not switchable? It uses one for the Wi-Fi, but it can’t really be accessed

[tawdry ferry]

yup, not without undoing the shroud

[trail kayak]

so ill just save this mb for later but this gigabyte board is objectively worse than the hdv

hdv has no wifi tho

[median quail]

Wait have you chosen a psu?

[trail kayak]

no but ive learned enough to finish working on mb

[final violet]

Good

[trail kayak]

i usually cant do this at work.

but im making it work

i have notion on my phone

and itll take longer but

[median quail]

Hehe pun

[trail kayak]

i literally have hit a learning cieling

until after mb

[trail kayak]

m.2 wifi

[tawdry ferry]

just because pcpp doesn't say about , nor shows it

manuals say otherwise

[final violet]

It at a shit place too

[tawdry ferry]

it's under the shroud

as i said earlier

[final violet]

It dumb

[median quail]

I think pcpartpicker only lists “accessible” m.2, which is fair imo

[tawdry ferry]

pcpp also lists pcie x16 slots that are electrically wired as pcie x4, as just pcie x16

[trail kayak]

its literally not about pcpp tho

its the fact that its not mentioned on the product page

[tawdry ferry]

it won't be til you check the manual

[trail kayak]

another -1 for gigabyte for pissing me off

[trail kayak]

nope

[tawdry ferry]

and boards with wifi built in, don't have to declare where the wifi card is

[trail kayak]

every other product page has had no issues with ekeys before

for now i will skip it and go to the next mb

[final violet]

Wich one

[solemn walrus]

r u gonna look at each and every motherboard btw

[tawdry ferry]

the intel ax210 is a m.2 wifi card btw

[final violet]

Ofc she will

[solemn walrus]

she btw

gonna be here for a while

[tawdry ferry]

oh and get this, a flaw in gigabytes website, they have mixed up some amd drivers with intel ones, so you may have to look on the intel version to get drivers for the amd one

[final violet]

Lmao

[median quail]

It’s not meant to be accessed by you, that’s why it’s not on the product pages

[median quail]

Tbh not as bad as storage

[tawdry ferry]

wanna bet?

[median quail]

She went through all 70 pages. That’s what I meant

[tawdry ferry]

the nuances between different lines per each brand

like asus prime is aimed at professionals, while asus tuf is the budget gaming line

and rog strix is the middle to higher gaming line

and then there's rog which is high end gaming/enthusiast level

and that is just on asus alone

also do not confuse ROG for ROG strix

[final violet]

Wich is also overprice

[tawdry ferry]

2 totally separate lines

[tawdry ferry]

yup, but with an asus tuf, for the price you can get an overkill mobo for a reasonable price

asus tuf b550 showed us that pretty quickly

[median quail]

Bruhhhhhh

[tawdry ferry]

yup, most top end asus mobo's are just ROG, they're treated as a sister company tbh

[final violet]

Ye it literally asus

[tawdry ferry]

it's why there's a rog crosshair/rog dark hero and not rog strix crosshair/ rog strix dark hero

it sounds dumb, looks dumb but that's how it is

[final violet]

Ye

[median quail]

Companies: “let’s make our product names as cool as possible”
Companies: choose random fancy words from a random list and tacks them together
Consumers: “what the fuck is this??”

[tawdry ferry]

in a nutshell yup

[trail kayak]

riptide

[trail kayak]

not every single one but a lot of them. definitely using buildzoids tier list and so i have about 20 mbs rn

[trail kayak]

i had to look at the manual for usb stuff so this okay ig

[trail kayak]

theres only 2 pages for mbs

[tawdry ferry]

1 page if you drop it to 2-3 brands tbh

[trail kayak]

probably

tho idk why i would do that

i like seeing what everyone has to offer and im not loyal to a brand

but ive just heard horrible things about gigabyte and asus

[solemn walrus]

asus is fine

so is gigabyte

[trail kayak]

🤷‍♀️

[tiny verge]

Gigabyte and Asrock are probably the best options for AM5 mobos

[median quail]

msi is good too :D

[final violet]

I prefer msi tbh

[trail kayak]

msi seems p good

i like asrock

[pale cove]

asrock has nicer looking boards I think

[trail kayak]

i think asrock is just a safe company

im on the riptide btw

so like

what does sata3 & PCIe gen 3x2 mean?

[noble maple]

generation

sata 3 is 6gb and pcie gen 3 is gen 3

pcie x2 is for expansion cards i believe

wait

oh mb pcie x2 is for the m.2 lol

but that just means the m.2 supports that speed of ssds

idk i confused myself

[final violet]

It opinion i prefer msi looking

[pale cove]

msi is cool too

[trail kayak]

so ik the difference

but idk how its possible that this m.2 can do both a sata ssd and a nvme ssd?

[median quail]

They really turned around their reputation

[noble maple]

m.2 sata exists

its crap

[final violet]

Ye it crap

[noble maple]

fr

[median quail]

I believe it just uses less pcie lanes

But yeah it’s crap

[trail kayak]

ik that too but whats this

never heard of m.2 sata + nvme

[noble maple]

what?

nvme is different

[trail kayak]

thats what im saying

[noble maple]

they both just m.2

[trail kayak]

its only 1 connector

[noble maple]

theres m.2 sata and m.2 nvme

[noble maple]

wdym

[trail kayak]

wdym

[noble maple]

the pcie lane on the mobo?

m.2 pcie lane*

[trail kayak]

im saying that asrock is saying that this singular m.2 connector supports sata3 and 3x2

but like how tf

[noble maple]

your confusing me

[trail kayak]

look at the left

its 1×

its also off the chipset so there will be a delay

how can a sata m.2 support nvme?

[noble maple]

x2 is just a cut down x4 basically

[noble maple]

m.2 supports both sata m.2 and nvme m.2

[trail kayak]

i dont need any explaination on lanes

[trail kayak]

ik this as well

but at the same time??

[noble maple]

then what is this?

wdym

like shoving both into one slot?

[trail kayak]

no you cant do that. ik that

[noble maple]

good

but yes an m.2 slot supports both

like how a pcie x16 supports amd and nvida gpus

[trail kayak]

i already know there are m.2 sata ssds which are older transitional period for nvme

and now we have m.2 nvme which uses pcie lanes and gen speed.

i know they are 2 different drives

[noble maple]

yes

exactly

how are you confused again?

[trail kayak]

how can the connector support sata3 and 3x2

[median quail]

Sata m.2 uses less pcie lanes

[trail kayak]

yeah ik that too

[median quail]

Wdym 3x2

[trail kayak]

but its not like allll the m.2 nvme is backwards compat with sata?

[noble maple]

the connector supports x2

[noble maple]

no the slot can use both

[trail kayak]

3x2 as in the pcie gen 3x2

the nvme speed

[noble maple]

an nvme is a drive and a sata is a drive

[median quail]

my question is why tf you even care about sata m.2

[noble maple]

drives arent compatible like that anyways

[noble maple]

fr ^

[trail kayak]

im just reviewing the board and i saw this wdym

[noble maple]

sata m.2 is shit

dont even look at them

[trail kayak]

yeah ik

im not lmao

[median quail]

what motherboard

[trail kayak]

riptide

[median quail]

full name please

[trail kayak]

ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard

if it supports sata3 just because sata3 has less lanes.

that makes no sense because

then why dont all m.2s have backwards compatibility with m.2 sata ssds.

[noble maple]

tf

[trail kayak]

in fact

its sata3 isnt mentioned at all on the previous m.2 on the same board

and it has more lanes

its a 5x4

[median quail]

so it doesnt support sata m.2

[noble maple]

^

[trail kayak]

yeah the first one doesnt

[median quail]

why in the fuck is it so confusing

[trail kayak]

it only says 5x4 no sata3

[noble maple]

WHAAT DID HE SAY?

[noble maple]

.

[trail kayak]

no thats what im saying

[noble maple]

omfg

[median quail]

meaning it doesnt support sata m.2. only the m.2_2 supports sata

[noble maple]

fuck this im going to sleep

deal with this bullshit creeperboy

[trail kayak]

what is m.2_2?

[median quail]

the second m.2

[trail kayak]

okay but ive never heard of m.2_2 before

[median quail]

all it means is the second m.2

[trail kayak]

wdym the 2nd m.2

[median quail]

m.2 number 2

[median quail]

the 2nd m.2 on the board

read the website

[trail kayak]

i did

like their name for the m.2 socket?

[median quail]

it has M2_1, M2_2, and M2_3

yes

its just giving each a number

[trail kayak]

those names dont matter

[median quail]

just like pcie

[median quail]

i was clarifying that it was the 2nd fucking m.2. thats all

[trail kayak]

im just asking why the m.2_2 then has sata3 on it at all

[median quail]

because thats how ASRock decided to do that

[trail kayak]

well how did they do that then? and add it with 3x2 together

[median quail]

i have no idea

and it doesnt matter anyway

[noble maple]

EXACTLY

M.2 SATA IS SHIT

[trail kayak]

so if the m.2 slot on the product page said

supports sata3 and nothing else not any pcie mentioned.

does that mean its a m.2 slot for sata3 only as in only for sata m.2 ssds?

[noble maple]

bro

[median quail]

it also has a gen 3x2 link to the cpu

[noble maple]

im pretty sure any m.2 ssd can be in any m.2 slot

[trail kayak]

what?

[median quail]

thats what the fucking spec says

and you said it here too

[noble maple]

dream you denser than a block of tungsten ngfl

[trail kayak]

so you are saying all nvne m.2 slots can use nvme m.2 ssds AND sata m.2 ssds?

[noble maple]

im pretty sure

just a speculation

[median quail]

but why the fuck are we even talking about this

[noble maple]

kinda like how any gpu can be in any pcie slot

most*

[noble maple]

cuz dream needs to know every detail

[median quail]

theyll all support m-keyed nvme ssds which is what matters

[noble maple]

yes

[trail kayak]

no it doesnt

it says the 3x2 is the pcie gen for the m.2_2 and that m.2_2 is off the chipset not the cpu??

[median quail]

the chipset is still connected to the cpu

[noble maple]

arent those the same thing

or similar

[median quail]

so it has a gen 3x2 link through the chipset to the cpu

[trail kayak]

yeah but not at 3x2 speed

[median quail]

yes

[noble maple]

whatd he say

[median quail]

thats what the spec says, so thats what it is

[trail kayak]

where

[median quail]

holy shit

[noble maple]

see? denser than a block of tungsten

[trail kayak]

where does it say the pcie lane between the chipset and cpu is 3x2

[median quail]

its not

[trail kayak]

that doesnt mean that

[median quail]

the m.2 slot is gen 3x2

[trail kayak]

that just means the m.2 connector supports up to pcie gen 3x2

[median quail]

yes

[trail kayak]

so 3x2 ssds

[median quail]

meaning it has a pcie gen 3x2 link to the cpu through the chipset

[trail kayak]

thats not the electrical between the cpu and chipset of this entire board

[median quail]

i never said that

[trail kayak]

its off the chipset

[median quail]

the chipset is still connected to the cpu

[trail kayak]

it doesnt matter if the chipset connects to the cpu

what are you trying to say

[median quail]

you asked where it said gen 3x2

so i showed you

[trail kayak]

are you trying to tell me the pch connects to the cpu? lmao

cause i already learned that ages ago

when i first asked why the product pages splits connectors up between cpu and chipset

but i already know all that

so mentioning that the m.2 eventually makes its way to the cpu after the chipset is goofy

[median quail]

first, you asked if it was sata only, and i said it was also gen 3x2.
then, you asked where it said that, and i showed you. i also said it has a gen 3x2 link to the cpu, and you contradicted me for some reason

[trail kayak]

im asking about the m.2_2 specifically

[median quail]

what about it

[trail kayak]

i have never seen an m.2 say it supports sata3 and 3x2.

and if all nvme m.2s support sata3

then why is it not mentioned on the others like the m.2_1

are you saying the m.2_2 supports m.2 sata ssds?

[trail kayak]

in this question whether it is cpu or chipset has no bearing on the question

[median quail]

i never said it did

[trail kayak]

oof whats a B key lmao

[median quail]

sata m.2

well

its like the m.key but flipped

[trail kayak]

ik keys are teeth only but like the teeth have common use cases

so b key is m.2 sata ssds?

[median quail]

B + M

[trail kayak]

so mkey is usually nvme.
bkey is usually sata.

b+m is nvme with backwards compatibility with sata

all of them are m.2?

[median quail]

M key is nvme
B key is not sata
B + M key is sata

All are M.2
all M keyed m.2 slots are compatible with M key and B+M key ssds

to my knowlege, nothing is only b keyed, because there are no b keyed m.2 slots

theyre all either B + M or M key

[trail kayak]

you mean mkey and bmkey plug into mkey slots

[median quail]

yes, they are compatible

[trail kayak]

are there bmkey slots

[median quail]

theroretically

but no one uses them

back to the original question. ASRock only included that for marketing bs probably

[trail kayak]

so mkey ssd is nvme only.
all m.2 sata ssds are bmkey. not bkey
this means that all sata ssds can be plugged into mkey slots but only get sata3 speed

[median quail]

yes

m key is meant for nvme, but sata also works

[trail kayak]

when i say sata ssds in the 3rd sentence i meant m.2 btw

[median quail]

inferred

Any other questions?

Well, I gtg now, bye

[trail kayak]

byee

[trail kayak]

bmkey makes sense to me

but asrock says this is mkey

[torpid parcel]

Cybernetic has added diamond as the highest standard in their specifcations but theres none in the avg consumer market. For the reason that is, I dont know why diamond is on there. It's been a few years since the change yet still no diamond psu yet.

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=database&params=5,1,

[trail kayak]

so pcie gen 1 = 250 mb/s
gen2 = 500 mb/s
3 = 1gb/s
4 = 2gb/s
5 = 4gb/s

then how is sata3 = 6gbps?
nvm i remember. so the conversion rate is always divide by 8. easy enough.

so sata3 = 750 mb/s

[trail kayak]

ik there are other ratings that are more unofficial

but none are official technically

[trail kayak]

this is great source mostly for sound level

since their diamond tier has no psus so far

why does it say this

128 gb/s mode?

16 gb/s mode

64 gb/s mode

[tawdry ferry]

nope, there are some that do sata only or nvme only

[tawdry ferry]

data transfer speeds

yes it's the highest but if you're going for van life it may put to much a strain on an inverter when in use

[tawdry ferry]

that is on the nvme drive only

[tawdry ferry]

that is on the socket only

[trail kayak]

https://youtu.be/agNgQiamiRQ?si=iuGOoFLFiGSpvq71

here is an idea of the space i plan on having.

an atx will be big but not a problem

[trail kayak]

so no mkey sata and no nvme bkey

so these arent the name of the slot

these are just the marketing name of the pcie gen lol

so blazing is gen 5

and hyper is gen 4

thats why hyper on here twice

i already knew this mostly

but i thought each slot would get its own name

[tawdry ferry]

nope

[trail kayak]

no as in yes

[tawdry ferry]

it wouldn't be a problem no, but i can garuantee you that a mATX setup would be more advantageous to you

[trail kayak]

itx would synergize more yeah

[tawdry ferry]

nope as in , nope there are no b-keyed nvme, and no m-keyed sata

[tawdry ferry]

would give yo more room but it would increase costs more and tbh you wouldn't be able to go for a 4090

there are no good 1kw sfx psu's yet

there is a sfx-l 1000w due out from corsair, but it's not been released nor is there a date for it afaik

mATX is where you'd want to be

[noble maple]

oh thx

[tulip pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/tkkra-ugh-gif-21715060

[noble maple]

hey

[median quail]

trying to figure out why a useless m.2 drive is supported on 1 m.2 slot but not another 💀

[tawdry ferry]

it's more fustrating when a company uses an 'M' keyed m.2 slot purely for sata m.2's tbh

[median quail]

yeah that would be frustrating

[final violet]

Fact

[tawdry ferry]

looks at panasonic there

[tawdry ferry]

twice as annoying when it's mislabelled as msata

[tawdry ferry]

again this

[median quail]

....how

fucking marketing bs

[tawdry ferry]

panasonic

on a laptop of theirs

[median quail]

Oh, yeah

[tawdry ferry]

reasons why i like clarity in descriptions tbf

[tawdry ferry]

in this vid it looks like he's using a 1440p setup

so for that you could really drop down the price on part selection and end up requiring way less

[solemn walrus]

thats the van you plan on btw?

[tawdry ferry]

it looks to be a short wheelbase version of what she's looking at

[solemn walrus]

oh so it really is huge

[tawdry ferry]

like i said, they're the tardis of vans

[solemn walrus]

god that seems difficult to set up

[trail kayak]

yeah the pictures of ford transits on google images is a bad example cause there is nothing to compare it to

[tawdry ferry]

not really dude, it just depends on the use of the space

[trail kayak]

so this means bkey sata does exist.

and its not just bmkey

[trail kayak]

wdym by this and also wdym when it also mislabelled as msata?

[tawdry ferry]

yup

[trail kayak]

okay cool. we were wondering about that last night

[tawdry ferry]

the pinout and the way msata is different from m.2 sata makes them directly incompatible without an adapter being used

[trail kayak]

so then what can you make of this m.2 slot

is it a bmkey mislabelled as an mkey?

it says its a mkey but that it supports sata3 AND 3x2

[tawdry ferry]

nope, it's an m-keyed slot, and can have m.2 sata or m.2 nvme being used on it

[tawdry ferry]

refer back to this

[trail kayak]

oh but only bmkey m.2 sata ssds and mkey m.2 nvme ssds but not bkey m.2 sata ssds can be plugged into this mkey m.2 slot

[tawdry ferry]

correct

[trail kayak]

so that means bmkey can be plugged into mkey slots and it just doesnt use the bkey slit

makes sense

and then how do i read this

ik the difference between gbps and gb/s

similar to mbps and mb/s

and i also know how to convert between the two

[tawdry ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ApU-AA87f0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov8rtDow-_Q

https://youtu.be/E_IKhQt73DM tardis reference btw

[final violet]

Me who study design...

[tawdry ferry]

but it's not pcie 6.0

[trail kayak]

how is this 5x4 m.2

[tawdry ferry]

so do not mix the 2 up

[trail kayak]

getting 128 gb/s

[trail kayak]

im not.

[tawdry ferry]

Ggabits per second

[tawdry ferry]

this is all GigaBytes per second

[trail kayak]

yes

[tawdry ferry]

you are

[trail kayak]

no i didnt even post it because of the gen 6 lmao

i posted it because of the gen 5 information prior

on asrock it uses gb/s

and in this chart it says gb/s

[tawdry ferry]

it uses Gb/s not GB/s

[tawdry ferry]

no, no, you're mixing the fucking acronyms up

[final violet]

^

[trail kayak]

so gbps = gb/s

[final violet]

Ye

[trail kayak]

and gb/s isnt GB/s

[tawdry ferry]

Gb/s = Gbps

[trail kayak]

okay

[tawdry ferry]

GB/s = GBps

totally different, and never should be mixed up

[final violet]

Gb/s ≠ GB/s

[tawdry ferry]

typing it like mixes them wrongly and makes questions you ask regarding wrong

[median quail]

Gb/s only exists to make the number seem bigger

[trail kayak]

well i knew that, i just thought gigabits per second was gbps not gb/s

[final violet]

The p mean per

[median quail]

gbps and gb/s are the same

[trail kayak]

yeah ik now

[tawdry ferry]

Gb/s or Gbps, not gb/s or gbps

[tawdry ferry]

not really tbh

[trail kayak]

what is Gps

[tawdry ferry]

Gbps you mean

[trail kayak]

no im asking what it is

[tawdry ferry]

otherwise the only other that uses gps/GPS = global postitioning system

[trail kayak]

not asking about GPS

[tawdry ferry]

and that is not to do with computer building

[trail kayak]

im just asking what is Gps

[tawdry ferry]

Gps is not an acronym used in pc building at all

[trail kayak]

oh okay

i never used Gps lol

[median quail]

why did you say it then

or was that a typo

[tawdry ferry]

i never did, they did

[median quail]

this, but it was probably a typo

[final violet]

Lmao

[tawdry ferry]

only way would be a typo from typing it to fast at the time

[trail kayak]

awesome so ik the answer thats all that matters

so this is gigabits not gigabytes

which means just multiply by 8 to get the comparison

[tawdry ferry]

exactly

[tawdry ferry]

wrong

divide by 8

8 bits to the byte

[trail kayak]

yep i was about to say

divide by 8

i knew the main conversion used was divide by 8

i just thought i was about to go backwards

but nope

[tawdry ferry]

yeah, what you study helps with colouring it, not so much building and designing the layout

[final violet]

I study in architecture too lol

[tawdry ferry]

that on the other hand helps designing the building of it

[final violet]

Lmao you really dont know what a design study is

Design it say it in the name

[tawdry ferry]

and sometimes, having a qualification in that does not help at all

[final violet]

Still you don’t understand what design study is that funny

[tawdry ferry]

for you to spend $50k on a van it would mean the van would have to be already decked out for van life tbh

[median quail]

true

[trail kayak]

m.2_1 = 128 gb/s = 16 GB/s
m.2_2 = 16 gb/s = 2 GB/s
m.2_3 = 64 gb/s = 8 GB/s

m.2_1 = 5x4 = 4 GB/s (gen 5) * 4 (4 lanes) = 16 GB/s = 128 gb/s
m.2_2 = 3x2 = 1 GB/s (gen 3) * 2 (2 lanes) = 2 GB/s = 16 gb/s
m.2_3 = 4x4 = 2 GB/s (gen 4) * 4 (4 lanes) = 8 GB/s = 64 gb/s

m.2_2 = sata3 = 6 gb/s = 0.75 GB/s < 2 GB/s

okay good, so this means that the phrases motherboard manufacturers add to their storage specifications like "128 Gb/s mode" is just marketing bs.

like its true but its just redundant. it made me think that 5x4 had different speed modes or some shit ffs.

my only other question is i understand bmkeys can plug into mkey slots, but why can't bmkeys plug into the m.2_1 or the m.2_3 slot on this motherboard? in the specs, it only says that the m.2_2 supports sata3 NOT m.2_1 / m.2_3

[trail kayak]

thats what im saying

[tawdry ferry]

it may not be kitted out to handle the computer you want to use and end up either having to have the power side modified or you to rebuild your pc

[median quail]

so not 4k 120hz at ultra settings

[tawdry ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTX1goWv9eo <- merc sprinter, pretty much the same size as a transit in a medium-long wheelbase whether it's high top or not

[trail kayak]

the sata3 speeds are under the speeds of the m.2_2 speed so that means when a m.2 sata ssd with bmkey is plugged into the m.2 mkey slot of the m.2_2, it will go at its max speed of 0.75 GB/s instead of the speed of the slot which is 2 GB/s

[tawdry ferry]

no

sata 3 max speed is 600MB/s

[median quail]

just stop caring about sata on m.2 bruh

[trail kayak]

sata3 = 6 Gb/s

[tawdry ferry]

yes, and you'll never see a sata 3 drive do more than 600MB/s

90% of sata 3 drives max out at 560MB/s

[trail kayak]

6 Gb/s = 0.75 GB/s

[tawdry ferry]

even a m.2 sata maxes out at 600MB/s

[median quail]

i dont see why you need to confirm math calculations in this thread

[trail kayak]

6 gb/s does not equal 600 MB/s

6 gb/s = 0.75 GB/s = 750 MB/s

[tawdry ferry]

and yet max theoretical sata 3 speed is still 600MB/s

[trail kayak]

thats fine, im not saying the speed irl

[median quail]

thats all that matters though

dont lie to yourself

[trail kayak]

regardless the irl speeds of 600 MB/s and the theoretical raw rated speeds of 750 MB/s are both below 2 GB/s / 2000 MB/s

which is the rated speed of the m.2_2

[median quail]

why do you care about sata on m.2

[tawdry ferry]

not irl speed, max theoretical speed for sata 3 is 600MB/s

actual speed is 560MB/s

[trail kayak]

rauko is the one that wants to get into rated speeds vs actual speeds.

which doesnt matter cause all of those speeds are below 2 GB/s

[median quail]

what does that have to do with my question

[trail kayak]

what?

what does that have to do with MY question lmao

[trail kayak]

this

[median quail]

youre talking about sata m.2 maximum speeds

and it doesnt matter

you will never use a sata m.2, so stop researching them

[trail kayak]

im trying to figure out how to read this spec page.

[tawdry ferry]

mine is more about the incorrectness of this in regards to sata over m.2 in this

[trail kayak]

im not researching m.2 sata ssds at all

[median quail]

what is so hard to understand about it

[tawdry ferry]

for nvme wise, it was correct

[trail kayak]

m.2_1 = 128 gb/s = 16 GB/s
m.2_2 = 16 gb/s = 2 GB/s
m.2_3 = 64 gb/s = 8 GB/s

m.2_1 = 5x4 = 4 GB/s (gen 5) * 4 (4 lanes) = 16 GB/s = 128 gb/s
m.2_2 = 3x2 = 1 GB/s (gen 3) * 2 (2 lanes) = 2 GB/s = 16 gb/s
m.2_3 = 4x4 = 2 GB/s (gen 4) * 4 (4 lanes) = 8 GB/s = 64 gb/s

m.2_2 = sata3 = 6 gb/s = 0.75 GB/s < 2 GB/s

okay good, so this means that the phrases motherboard manufacturers add to their storage specifications like "128 Gb/s mode" is just marketing bs.

like its true but its just redundant. it made me think that 5x4 had different speed modes or some shit ffs.

my only other question is i understand bmkeys can plug into mkey slots, but why can't bmkeys plug into the m.2_1 or the m.2_3 slot on this motherboard? in the specs, it only says that the m.2_2 supports sata3 NOT m.2_1 / m.2_3

[median quail]

again, why do you care whether b + m key m.2s work on any of the m.2 slots. they will all "plug in" but only m.2_2 specifically supports those drives

[trail kayak]

the m.2_2 slot is rated for 2 GB/s

idc if the m.2 sata ssds will technically get only 560 MB/s

im asking why doesnt the m.2_1 or the m.2_3 mention sata3 support on the spec page?

[tawdry ferry]

no, no it's not in regards to sata

[tawdry ferry]

and also it's because of m.2 sata drives, and sata m.2 adapters which allow you to use more sata ports via m.2 slot

still the speed for a sata 3 port is 6Gb/s or also known as 600MB/s max

[trail kayak]

lmao

look

[trail kayak]

why does m.2_1 not mention sata3?

[median quail]

why do you care

[tawdry ferry]

because it doesn't bypass through the chipset for sata

very simple

[trail kayak]

not really, i dont know all that

okay now for my next question

why does m.2_2 mention sata3?

[tawdry ferry]

because of what i just said

[trail kayak]

which one

[tawdry ferry]

m.2 sata drives, and sata m.2 adapters

[trail kayak]

thats not an answer

idk what you are saying

[tawdry ferry]

both still do no more than 600MB/s

[trail kayak]

i will just ask again

why does m.2_2 mention sata3?

[tawdry ferry]

it is, it's the most direct answer anyone can give

[trail kayak]

idek what the answer is

[median quail]

and i will ask again. why do you care. you'll never use it, so stop worrying about it

[trail kayak]

like i dont know what you are saying is the answer

[tawdry ferry]

simply these

[trail kayak]

these are just pictures of things idk

[tawdry ferry]

that fit on a m.2 slot

[median quail]

can you not see what they are??

[trail kayak]

ik the picture on the right is a bmkey

[tawdry ferry]

one being an adapter, the other being a m.2 sata drive

[trail kayak]

and the one on the left has a whole bunch of sata ports on it which is weird

okay what does that have to do with anything

[tawdry ferry]

totally not weird at all

[median quail]

its an nvme m.2 to sata port adapter

[trail kayak]

okay and

[median quail]

just because youve never seen it before doesnt mean its weird

[tawdry ferry]

the bottom slot converts for it

[trail kayak]

okay and

[tawdry ferry]

and also can run a sata m.2 drive ffs

really is that simple

[median quail]

for all the good it wont do you

[tawdry ferry]

look what it states

[trail kayak]

lmao idc about that. i already know it can run

m.2 sata ssds AND
sata ssds via adapter

[median quail]

what the fuck are you asking then

[trail kayak]

what a giant waste of time for an answer without explaination.

[tawdry ferry]

and as it's via the chipset you can fucking choose it

it was answered 3 times, you just did not want to take it as is

seriously the most direct answer is the correct one 90% of the time

[trail kayak]

you assume so much of me

[tawdry ferry]

10% is always allowed for errors

[trail kayak]

like i did not want to take it?? lmao

[median quail]

you were basically asking why the answer was the answer

[trail kayak]

ill just ask my 3rd question

why does m.2_3 not mention sata3?

[trail kayak]

i didnt know wtf he was saying

[tawdry ferry]

exact make and model of the mobo

[trail kayak]

what

[median quail]

send the make and model of the mobo

[trail kayak]

https://pg.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650E PG Riptide WiFi/index.asp#Specification
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

[tawdry ferry]

socket postioning shows why

set up to use pcie lanes provided by the chipset

[median quail]

dont ask here

go to tech chat or make your own thread

[proven fern]

It sucks tho btw

[tawdry ferry]

what creeper asked tbh

[median quail]

its not the first time someone's used another thread because it was lively

[tawdry ferry]

5th time i've seen it tbf

[trail kayak]

i actually dont know what you are saying

and i cant find anything on google

so im actually just gonna skip it and move on

i will leave the comparison blank for now

and we can come back to that mb later

[tawdry ferry]

m2_2 + m2_3 both are wired to the chipset, but it's location for m.2_3 is by the pcie slot

[trail kayak]

im just gonna go to the proart

[tawdry ferry]

they's specifically set it up that way

[trail kayak]

okay so my question here is

x16 and dual x8 is just referring to electrical right?

[tawdry ferry]

yes and no

it means it can bifurcate on the x16 slot

[trail kayak]

how do you mean bifurcate. ik bifurcate means to split

[median quail]

thats what he means

[trail kayak]

what is splitting

or dividing in 2

[median quail]

1 x16 to 2 x8

[trail kayak]

i already know that

how is it no then

[median quail]

???

oh

[tawdry ferry]

it's electrically wired as x16, but bifurcates in bios settings

not electrically wired as x16 and x8

[trail kayak]

so its not electrical as dual x8.

you are saying dual x8 is still x16

[tawdry ferry]

exactly that

[trail kayak]

okay

[tawdry ferry]

when any mobo states this, it just means it bifurcates

and tbh also has a nvme raid mode on the x16 slot

but that can depend on mobo/brand

[trail kayak]

what is AMD RAIDXpert2 Technology

[median quail]

amd raid expert technology

(google it)

[tawdry ferry]

just amd's software and drivers for doing raid, nothing you need to concern yourself with nor need to use

[tulip pelican]

Then the engine blows up or your van gets plowed while on the road without full coverage insurance

[tawdry ferry]

and this is with experience of using amd drivers and software

[tawdry ferry]

tbf, fuel costs is the more expensive part of van life

[trail kayak]

so it doesnt matter

[tawdry ferry]

nope

[trail kayak]

its just their name for it lol

[tawdry ferry]

yup

the only bit of drivers and software you never bother with downloading for the mobo

[tawdry ferry]

also those who do van life or similar life styles seem to only do it for a year or 2

[trail kayak]

it depends

like if you went the toyota prius route

which couldnt fit a shower or anything crazy

but it can definitely still fit a pc

also depends on how much you drive, i dont plan on driving much

in fact if i live in new york, i will probably take public transit

or bike

might get a foldable bike

i dont really plan on going off grid and living in the woods

i mostly plan on going the super urban route

might stay in my current town for awhile tho

i dont plan on doing it for only 2 years lmao

i basically plan on doing it for the rest of my life

[tawdry ferry]

only a few it seems to manage that, most quit it after a year or 2

[trail kayak]

you already said that

[tawdry ferry]

as long as you know the pitfalls that some fall into, you can last longer at it tbh

[trail kayak]

i think most give up cause they do it for a trend on tiktok

[final violet]

Lmao

[trail kayak]

and most give up because they only do a soccer mom van or a car lol

i have different reasons tho. like no rent. itll be hard to go back to spending $1000 a month on rent

or spending 100k for a shitty house

im also respectfullly not like most girls

not even just the meme

most girls are scared of people or police and arent really thrifty

or as thrifty / thrifty in this way

at first, i was going to do this, without the van lmao

the van was added to the plan since it meant not having to rely on 1 guy

in other words, i entirely plan on meeting people and cooking at their place etc. and when there is no one. or when there is a fallout or if i ever overstay, there is the van.

most want me to tho. so it will mostly just be for when i get bored of them personally.

[tawdry ferry]

several gave up because being nomadic left them feeling lonely, also several had kids so that puts a dampener on that kind of lifestyle

some quit because they start feeling like a "bum"

personally i'd buy a plot of forestry land and live on that in a small home

[final violet]

Same

[tawdry ferry]

for where i am, i know how much it would cost, and at the same time i've learnt how i could also make money off the land itself without causing issues

though not all forestry land can be lived on

[trail kayak]

i also dont plan on having a relationship

i am poly

so it means nothing to me

i have already cyropreserved 10 times.

so kids are not an issue

[tawdry ferry]

cryopreserved you mean?

[trail kayak]

yeah

the only logical reason to quit vanlife, is if living in a house becomes cheaper, or you deem the overpriced lifestyle as worth the cost.

so maybe ill quit vanlife one day, like in 10 to 20 years if the housing market crashes. but even if it did crash, which it wont. it wont go down like people want it to lol

we often times talk about how the 13900ks is overpriced. but what about the lifestyle you currently live as

your entire life is overpriced.

[solemn walrus]

ok but

you can change the cpu lol

13900ks is overpriced
you dont ahve to buy it

[final violet]

Lol

[solemn walrus]

if you dont want to live life, you gotta kill yourself

[final violet]

Sad but true

[trail kayak]

im going the 7950x3d. it is not nearly as overpriced

[proven fern]

is it really tho

[trail kayak]

do you pay for rent

[solemn walrus]

yeah it is

[proven fern]

no

[trail kayak]

then its not

[solemn walrus]

youre still young

[trail kayak]

im one of the lucky ones

[solemn walrus]

already have housing?

[trail kayak]

i financially got ahead because i got my apartment before inflation

my rent is only $500

[solemn walrus]

so now u r selling that to live in a van?

oh wait

rent

[trail kayak]

my friends who moved in after inflation

pay $700 for the exact same apartment i live in right now

[noble maple]

I'm kinda confused what this has to do with van life

[solemn walrus]

$700 doesnt seem like that much

[final violet]

Same

[trail kayak]

most do vanlife for different reasons

[solemn walrus]

average salary in romania for rent

[noble maple]

I'm sure they are paying for different places within the apartment complex, not really the same complex. Sometimes things get remodeled, your friend chose a different unit, etc.

[trail kayak]

no thats not why

[noble maple]

That is exactly why there are price differentials within complexes 😅

[trail kayak]

nope thats not why

[noble maple]

Okay, then what is?

[trail kayak]

the price increase is only inflation

[solemn walrus]

uh.. shouldnt the rent increase as well..

[trail kayak]

they actually plan to raise my rent to better reflect the new price

[solemn walrus]

or do they only do that to single mothers

[noble maple]

That's not entirely true, the price increase is due to unit size, length of contract, etc.

[trail kayak]

its the same exact apartment

[noble maple]

Inflation has an impact on everything (including apartments, which isn't wrong) but the thing is: apartments have always been variable depending on people's needs

[trail kayak]

its the same building

[solemn walrus]

different area maybe

[noble maple]

*Same building, different room

[solemn walrus]

nvm

[trail kayak]

not a different area lmao

[noble maple]

Exactly

[trail kayak]

im not asking for your insight and answers

im TELLING you whats going on

[noble maple]

And I'm not asking you for your opinion, I'm telling you what's going on in the market

[trail kayak]

no you are not

[solemn walrus]

😭

[noble maple]

This is how apartments work wdym 😭

[solemn walrus]

can we move on

before this thread gets locked

[trail kayak]

just adding what you think it might be as an outside looker

lmao

which has no value

[noble maple]

I am "just adding" my insight as someone who also pays for their own home lol

[trail kayak]

that doesnt matter

[noble maple]

Sometimes, depending on the season, apartments will intentionally lower the deposit to attract new customers. It's not unusual to see. Many people lease their rooms for vacations

[trail kayak]

yeah all those things can happen

[noble maple]

It matters because you said it has "no value". If it had no value, then it wouldn't explain why there are variables in apartments to begin with 😅

[trail kayak]

thats not whats happening here

those arent the variables at play here

lmao

[noble maple]

It is part of what's happening, is what I mean. While it's true inflation does impact apartments, they were always based on variables to begin with. Apartments are different situations for different people. Blaming everything on "inflation" doesn't do much to solve what's now; it just points fingers at something with no effort to change it

[tawdry ferry]

They live in nyc, $700 is like the cheapest rent

[noble maple]

So let's say inflation plays a role, right? Are you just going to sit and do nothing because "inflation"? No, we can still prepare for those things 🙂

[trail kayak]

its not a part of whats happening here though is what im trying to say

[noble maple]

I understand that, just wanted to clarify

[trail kayak]

we dont live in nyc.

we live in toledo lmao

[noble maple]

Okay this is off-topic a little but this is the first time I've met someone from Ohio 😭 sorry just wanted to mention the meme

[trail kayak]

lmao its so funny

every time i said i lived here before the meme. nothing.

now its the only thing

ohio was goofy before tho

[noble maple]

https://tenor.com/view/ohio-the-trollers-of-ohio-parkour-ohio-parkour-trollers-of-ohio-gif-22690043

[trail kayak]

like with corn

[noble maple]

It's kinda funny tho

[tawdry ferry]

Could be worse

It could be arkansaw or wesconsin

[trail kayak]

lmao

[tawdry ferry]

Probably spelt them wrong

[noble maple]

*Arkansas and Wisconsin

Honestly.. not far off from memory 💀

[trail kayak]

anyway yeah, if i feel like not paying $500 on rent. i doubt something will change in 2 years when i become "lonely" lol

[blazing nova]

still building a pc? how long has it taken

[tawdry ferry]

Redneck/hillbilly teritory tbf

[trail kayak]

im p sure missouri is worse

[final violet]

The time it take

[trail kayak]

or florida

[halcyon narwhal]

can confirm

[trail kayak]

murder capital

[blazing nova]

so...a week or a month

[halcyon narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[blazing nova]

ironically , in this case researching the parts actually takes less time and is the lazier option i guess

[noble maple]

Missouri has good food tho ngl

[tawdry ferry]

Long enough for me to cook enough food for a resturant just for myself

[noble maple]

Dayum and eating everything too ⁉️

[trail kayak]

also you wont have to spend money on hotels. i go to alot of anime conventions and the hotel cost is always annoying

[proven fern]

dream are you at least close to picking a motherboard

[noble maple]

I think we picked out GPU, PSU, fan

(Idk if I missed anything)

[final violet]

Fans? Wich one

[noble maple]

I wasn't here the entire time so I could be wrong but last, she was asking about water cooling vs. air. I wasn't there when/if she picked the exact one

[trail kayak]

#1148416529172537354 message

[trail kayak]

im just cataloging the storage options

[tawdry ferry]

Well put it this way, i'm cooking enough spaghetti bolognaise for 5-6 people and will be eating 2peoples worth to myself

[noble maple]

Ah okay ty

[noble maple]

😭

[proven fern]

also you really landed on the 990 pro

[noble maple]

Bro could book a flight and land in Africa to feed people the rest and still come back before then

[final violet]

I dont see what wrong

[trail kayak]

well if i tell you my other options youll just get really madd

[proven fern]

yeah dont

[trail kayak]

990 pro is just the stand in

[final violet]

I like the 990 pro

[tawdry ferry]

Whats more surprise is how i'm still skinny despite being 13st/82kg and 5'10"/177-178cm

[trail kayak]

i think the 990 pro is a very modest option

[tawdry ferry]

It's not tbh