♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[lusty orchid]

well start up speed is between bios and os loading mostly

drivers and main launchers

[spare sedge]

how much space does drivers and main launchers take up

also wdym by main launcher

[lusty orchid]

main launchers include things like steam, epicgames, ubisoft connect, gog, amazon games, ea/origins app

[spare sedge]

oh so you wouldnt put those in games drive

etc

[lusty orchid]

nope, they can run from your os drive

[spare sedge]

those dont usually take up a lot of space tho

[lusty orchid]

the games that you download from them, as you can see would go on a separate drive

[spare sedge]

and windows is only 64gb

[lusty orchid]

the main launchers don't, the games themself do

[spare sedge]

but the games would be on a different drive

[lusty orchid]

i have several games that do 90-120gb each

[lusty orchid]

yup, it also means that the games themself uses the drives own cache methods for loading

which reduces both sequentials and randoms on the main boot drive

[spare sedge]

so that means you want your games drive to be fast too

for splash screens and stuff

or skyrim lmao

[lusty orchid]

you would but 90% of games don't even make use of sata 2.5 ssd speeds

and once games are loaded up, data access is no faster than using them on a hdd

there's only a few games that can actually make use of the speeds a nvme drive does

partially due to mods for those games

[spare sedge]

alr

[lusty orchid]

which in general again means 90% of it is still gen 3 nvme drives

or a sata 2,5 ssd that has dram cache like a mx500 from crucial

[spare sedge]

so what does speed determine on the boot drive then

[lusty orchid]

loading times mostly

[spare sedge]

what kind of loading times

like opening file explorer or

[nova patrol]

bro wtf

[lusty orchid]

and keeps it consitantly low on start ups

[nova patrol]

16k comments for a build

[spare sedge]

i already have had you blocked for the longest time

[nova patrol]

when i was asking about my build theres only like 5 to 20 comments

[spare sedge]

its not even your first time being here

fucking leave

[lusty orchid]

well for example, windows start up from a dramless 2.5 ssd could be between 15-30 seconds

[nova patrol]

Lol block me like i care. you are just wasting time doing all this research and you wont even use 100% of the componts only like 10% to 20%

[lusty orchid]

on a dramless gen 3 nvme, 10-20 seconds

[spare sedge]

leave me alone

[lusty orchid]

on a dram cached nvme it can drop to 5-15 seconds

[spare sedge]

so it does impact windows start up

anything else

[lusty orchid]

but tbh, using a dram cached drive isn't worth it for os if it's an nvme drive

[nova patrol]

i am. i come and check if we made and progress on your build but it turns out we are just talking about more and more stuff

[spare sedge]

p sure i had you blocked for a good reason

[lusty orchid]

look, i've gotten her to understand that getting the most fastest drives possible isn't what's necessarily needed for her own case dude

[candid plume]

Then keep them blocked

[spare sedge]

they are

[candid plume]

And don't clickreveal their messages

[spare sedge]

no

i will

[candid plume]

Nor reply

Then they will keep going

[spare sedge]

they do anyway

jim had a whole fucking day in here while i was at work

[candid plume]

Don't react and feed them with attention

[lusty orchid]

nope, not when what you want to do doesn't make any use of their speeds

[spare sedge]

dude is obsessed

[candid plume]

[nova patrol]

I wasn't rude. i was telling you the truth and u didnt like that

[lusty orchid]

more like annoyed that it's not decided on and already started upon

[spare sedge]

no i meant they are blocked

[lusty orchid]

my bad then

though am i blocked still?

[spare sedge]

better to shut it down immediately

no

neither is creeper

i just couldnt afford getting distracted on my day off

[nova patrol]

well you are asking for help and im giving you the truth and u didnt want to listen to me so you block me

[spare sedge]

im p sure youve never helped me at all

never given me any insight at all

[nova patrol]

i have told you looking at motherboard with many usb and other shit. you wont even use half of them

[candid plume]

What do you have so far

[spare sedge]

#1139391773253316608 message

[candid plume]

Idk how I can get to First comment on phone

Thanks

So only mb and case missing?

[spare sedge]

basically

psu too

[candid plume]

What mb options do you have notes

Noted

[lusty orchid]

been 3-4 days on storage when it should have been 20 mins at most tbh

and yes i am annoyed at not having mobo selected as that alone makes storage choices easier

[spare sedge]

https://dreamfable.notion.site/55a858fa856146f19124c6cae11c3ee4?v=559707e91e754ac681b8498908adaf96&pvs=4

[candid plume]

Jesus lord

[spare sedge]

about 19 mbs

2 or 3 are just in there for comparison sake

like the cheapest am5 and most expensive am5

to see where the money goes and whats the bare minimum

i need to double check usb and add in the thunderbolt ones

[rotund rain]

you'd be fine with something like the X670e tomahawk, but the Ace has a lot more features

[spare sedge]

the godlike is not worth it, but the ace is like the godlike but cheaper

the ace might not be worth it tho

[spare sedge]

how so

[lusty orchid]

the reason is alread stated in the comment

mobo always is chosen before storage

[spare sedge]

i g i meant how does storage make it easier

or mb make it easier for storage

i couldnt choose a mb before because 3x m.2 slots meant nothing to me before

6x sata meant nothing to me before

now those words have meaning

[lusty orchid]

mobo decides how much storage you can initially use

[orchid gate]

I’m praying this doesn’t happen with PSUs

Otherwise IEEE board member might be a bare min requirement to continue

[willow hamlet]

lmao

[lusty orchid]

that moment when jonnyguru has to be invited

oh better not tbf, be easier to ask someone from cultist network

[lusty orchid]

many choose storage just based on speed with an atitude of faster = better in regards to storage

[lusty orchid]

none of the x670's are worth it over any b650 tbh

though a asus rog strix b650, asrock taichi/riptide b650, or msi b650 are solid choices to go for laptops

[rotund rain]

That is really not true

[lusty orchid]

motherboards** and yes it

the x670 doesn't really offer anything more over b650

[brave brook]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LwNxFT/msi-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi

[vast geyser]

..

u realize sending motherboards is pointless, right

[brave brook]

Yeah :/

[lusty orchid]

he still sends a solid mobo to get tbh

[brave brook]

Dream said msi is overpriced, but every time I look at pcpartpicker, the cheap(ish) motherboards are usually msi

[haughty quail]

fr tho

[brave brook]

I like this usb config because it’s a good mix. It doesn’t have only 10Gb, and it doesn’t have 6 usb 2.0.

[pure mica]

I like msi motherboard

Tbh

[thin wasp]

My msi board was super cheap

[pure mica]

Lol we both got the same board... it aren't cheap

[thin wasp]

Shhhhhh

[haughty quail]

lol

[brave brook]

😂

[rotund rain]

the second to last thing you want to cheap out on is the motherboard. Cheap crap boards are just the free trial to hell I swear

[vast geyser]

huh

[haughty quail]

hey 😠

my b450 does nto like that statement

b450m hdv r4.0 🥰

[lusty orchid]

my b450 plus would beg to differ, my current b550 would also like to differ on that

[haughty quail]

my b450 sucks ngl

[lusty orchid]

getting a gigabyte mobo is definitely that way if you're wanting a nightmare of a bios

[rotund rain]

you know there's more than one b450 plus right

[lusty orchid]

asus prime b450 plus

cheap, yet highly functional for what it did

getting an x470/x570 would realistically be a bad choice for me with my choice of cpu, especially when it comes to OC'ing on the power delivery side

and even with current x670's they really don't offer any benefits over a b650 mobo

[brave brook]

I wouldn’t get an A series, but yeah, X chipset motherboards don’t offer any performance advantage

[lusty orchid]

if you're super budgeted, there's 3 a620's worth getting tbh

an msi one, asus tuf a620 and an asrock one

[lusty orchid]

funny fact, alot of issues are down to power most of the time

the rest come to ram, bios, drivers or storage used

[brave brook]

Interesting

[spare sedge]

Slow day at work today

[pure mica]

It Saturday ...

[unique sparrow]

💀

[viscid plover]

20,149 messages.

[spare sedge]

Sat is usually the busiest

I work every Fri Sat sun

So back then sata speed was more important cause ssds were p much hitting that interface cap

But now sata 6.0 doesn't even matter

Are there any rgb m.2s lmao

[lusty orchid]

yes but they thermal throttle into not working at all

[brave brook]

I’m sorry, but no one asked

[haughty quail]

What's your work

If you don't mind answering

[open iris]

also m.2s usually under a heatsink from the mb anyway

[spare sedge]

storage has so many routes i could take

i could go

the cache route since cache is faster than slc

and after slc is reached it will fall below to much slower speeds until eventually reaching hdd speeds

but they have gen 3 4 and 5 m.2s with dram

the 990 pro is one of those with about 4gb of cache

and 3d cross point tech / optane drives are actually slower than dram still

[haughty quail]

Real

[spare sedge]

i actually cant see who it is on mobile btw

but anyway

i could go a small cheap optane drive just for boot

maybe buy it used

optane is definitely the fastest iops / rnd drives by far

or i could go a t700 route and just prioritize the seq with still great iops

but t700 has no dram

but its gen 5

but its more accessible than an optane

i should probably make a comparison spreadsheet to finally decide

honestly probably less than 10 good options

including the price / perf route like that wd blue or that viper

id personally prolly go the viper and sacrifice more price / perf for it

alright i wont be able to get much more done on mbs or ssds at work

alr ig we can start talking about case or psu

lets just do case cause you want me to so bad

psu would prolly be better

alright so is there more to cases than just aesthetics?

[haughty quail]

airflow, cable management

gpu clearance

uhh size i guess?

[spare sedge]

alright so whats type

whats side panel

external volume

[haughty quail]

what panel is made of

[brave brook]

whats....side panel?

[haughty quail]

like glass

[spare sedge]

power supply

internal 3.5 bays??

[haughty quail]

if it has one built in

[brave brook]

most dont

[haughty quail]

bays for 3.5 hhd

you aint gonna use a hhd

[spare sedge]

color doesnt matter

[haughty quail]

idk its ur pc

[brave brook]

are you looking at cases now?

[haughty quail]

damn i might see this build get finished

[spare sedge]

yeah

i just want to know what these things on pcpp mean

color price rating dont matter

[brave brook]

what things

[spare sedge]

i just posted them

type
side panel
external volume
power supply
internal 3.5 bays.

[brave brook]

type is what form factor of motherboard fits in it
side panel is the....side panel. whether its tempered glass, or metal, or whatever
im guessing power supply tells what power stupply is included (most dont have any anymore)
internal 3.5" bays tell how many 3.5" bays there are in the case

[spare sedge]

if thats true about type which i dont think it is. then whats full or mid tower mean? that has nothing to do with mbs and yet there are atx mid and atx full like wut

[spare sedge]

wdym mean by side panel tho

what is the best material

[brave brook]

it doesnt matter

[brave brook]

its literally just the side panel

[spare sedge]

yeah but what is a side panel

its a box lmao

theres like 4 walls

[brave brook]

the side to access the internals

like the glass on this case

[spare sedge]

why does that matter tho

like they only list one side panel what about the other 3??

[brave brook]

its how you put everything in the case. most are tempered glass now because gamers like to show off their components

[brave brook]

metal, unless its one with a glass front panel

[spare sedge]

so if i dont do tempered glass. rgb is pointless is what you are saying

[brave brook]

yes

if you choose a case without tempered glass (it would probably be an older one)

[open iris]

theres still new cases with no tempered glass

[brave brook]

not many tho right

[spare sedge]

so you only get one specialized side panel basically

[brave brook]

yes

[spare sedge]

but they arent that important just aesthetics mostly

and rgb compatibility

[open iris]

a lot of new fractals

[spare sedge]

whats a fractal

[brave brook]

brand

[spare sedge]

ohh

[brave brook]

fractal design

[spare sedge]

wth is nano itx or pico itx

[brave brook]

thats an old itx motherboard

[spare sedge]

lmaoo

they go smaller?

thats crazy

[brave brook]

i guess, but dont worry about anything smaller than mini itx

[spare sedge]

so cases have their own form factors

[pearl heath]

Well, yeah

It'd be stupid to have a huge case with a tiny motherboard

[spare sedge]

which goes

[brave brook]

this

[spare sedge]

ultra
then super
then full
then mid
then mini
then sff

and the mb form factor inclusion into the case type is just for redundancy?

[haughty quail]

what?

[brave brook]

i think its to tell people the maximum motherboard supported

[haughty quail]

yeah that

[brave brook]

if it wasnt....obvious lmao

[haughty quail]

i was just confused on her wording

[spare sedge]

well its absolutely not

[haughty quail]

it says atx mid tower

[spare sedge]

it says atx mid tower which im honestly still a little confused on because it says motherboard formfactor and lists atx eatx matx and mini itx

[vast geyser]

mid tower just means standard size

full tower is extremely huge

[spare sedge]

and also if that were the case what would the difference between mid and full be. nothing

[pearl heath]

Full ATX towers are gigantic

[brave brook]

full towers are just bigger

[vast geyser]

just check out a full tower

[brave brook]

for like big custom loops and stuff like that

[spare sedge]

okayy

so motherboard form factor are the ones that this case supports

whereas the case type is just a generalized form factor for the case which doesnt always tell you the motherboard its compatibile with

but it would be silly to put a mini itx inside a mid tower etc.

[haughty quail]

exactly

[spare sedge]

so wait your case comes with a power supply? or they used to?

[brave brook]

really old ones, i think

not anymore

because people need such different power supplies

[spare sedge]

whats a 3.5 bay lol

[brave brook]

a bay for a hdd

[spare sedge]

ohhh

[brave brook]

or other 3.5" form factor thing

[spare sedge]

can 2.5 fit in the 3.5

[brave brook]

usually

[spare sedge]

cause 2.5 is the main ff now

[brave brook]

some will also have 2.5" bays on the back of the motherboard tray though

[spare sedge]

outside of m.2

[spare sedge]

where do i see the 2.5 bays

[brave brook]

under "drive bays" in pcpartpicker specifications

[spare sedge]

ope i see them now

kind of dumb they advertise the 3.5 bays on the main screen

pcpp is ran by boomers ffs

[brave brook]

yeah

[pearl heath]

Nah it's just run by people who see what specs make sense lol

Cause no one is loading like 14 2.5" drives into a case, that's something you'd do with 3.5" drives if you're making a beefy NAS or some other file storage server

[pearl heath]

Also, it really isn't

[spare sedge]

okayy so with power supply. why did they used to include it anyway?

was it like how igpus are just worse anyway but provided a more plug in play experience for the end user.

im guessing back then maybe people just threw those psus out because im guessing a dedicated psu was always better

[spare sedge]

thats all the ssds i see tho

all the good ones

[pearl heath]

Because about a 15 years back, PSU quality wasn't exactly cared about and the PSUs that came with cases were perfectly fine

[open iris]

well you can put an ssd anywhere so frankly doesnt really matter if theres a bay for it

[pearl heath]

No one really uses SATA SSDs anymore if they're building a new system

[open iris]

also that

[pearl heath]

3.5" is still absolutely the main form factor for drives, by virtue of the hard drive existing and being great for large, long term storage

[open iris]

could be crazy and just leave your ssds dangle randomly in your case

[brave brook]

youd easilly be able to find a place to tape it though

whether its on the power supply shroud, or behind the motherboard tray, or straight on the back panel

[haughty quail]

i literally already said this

hey when did we hit 20k messages???

🥳

[pearl heath]

Since some of yall have entirely off topic conversations in here lol

[haughty quail]

i meannn

yeah

[brave brook]

it doesnt matter

[haughty quail]

ugh

[haughty quail]

mine is zip tied on

i forgot how to install ssd into the actual slot thing

[spare sedge]

oh really? how

[spare sedge]

yeah but still. iff they do. its 2.5

[open iris]

by leaving it anywhere

or taping it on the back

[spare sedge]

tape!?

[open iris]

you would NEVER do that for a hard drive though cause of the chance of it breaking

they are very delicate

[spare sedge]

yeah maybe hdd

[open iris]

also why you just shouldnt use them for your van

[spare sedge]

this sounds hilarious for vanlife

use what

sata ssds?

well itd be okay if i dont damgle them lmao

[brave brook]

no use hdds

[spare sedge]

whats a power supply shroud?

[brave brook]

something that covers the power supply

[spare sedge]

and whats a motherboard tray lol

[brave brook]

like a piece of metal or plastic

[brave brook]

the piece of metal that holds the motherboard

[spare sedge]

i thought it goes on vertically and its screwed in

[brave brook]

it is

lol

it allowes for the space in the back for cable routing and ssds

[spare sedge]

oh so like the other side panel lmao

[brave brook]

no

its between the back panel and the side panel

[spare sedge]

the corner??

[brave brook]

what the motherboard is screwed onto

not the plate with the pcie slot covers

[spare sedge]

i thought it was screwed into the other side panel

[brave brook]

no, theres a space for cable routing, as i said

[spare sedge]

can you circle the motherboardd tray for me

[brave brook]

this is a different kind of case, but imagine the red inside a regular case

[spare sedge]

the power supply is shy

[brave brook]

what?

[spare sedge]

it needs a shroud to cover up

doesnt wanna be nakey

[brave brook]

its made to cover extra cables lol

[spare sedge]

so the mb tray is a small square bracket on the back side of the mb?

[brave brook]

not small

the size of the motherboard

[spare sedge]

so it is the screws then

[brave brook]

so for atx, its the size of an atx motherboard

[brave brook]

its what you screw the motherboard into

the red metal on this case

this particular case model has no power supply shroud

you can see the space between the motherboard tray and the back panel in this case. it also has a power supply shroud

[spare sedge]

is this not the other side panel tho

[brave brook]

yes

there is a space between the back panel and the motherboard tray for cable management

they used to be the same thing a long time ago, when internal esthetics and cable management weren't important to people

[spare sedge]

wdym by back panel tho

[brave brook]

The thing on the left

It’s the panel on the back of the pc

[spare sedge]

this is what i think the back panel is

[brave brook]

i guess you could call it the back side panel

what im talking about

[spare sedge]

how is that the side panel

[brave brook]

what

[brave brook]

this is the back panel im talking about

[spare sedge]

this is what i thought the other side panel is

[brave brook]

thats the backside of the motherboard tray

[spare sedge]

since its parallel to the side panel

[brave brook]

i said multiple times that theres a motherboard tray, and a back/side panel behind it. the space between is for cable management

do you understand now?

this is my pc
the black metal sheet on the left, is the removable back panel, and on the right is the back of the motherboard tray. you can see i have 1 2.5" ssd, with another 2.5" bay next to it. near the top right, theres a cutout on the motherboar tray for the cpu backplate in case your cooler has a separate one.

[lusty orchid]

in my pc, what the vertical mount is sitting on, that's the psu shroud of my case

[lusty orchid]

that's the rear side of the mobo tray. it also contains areads for cable management

like so, though there's been changes on mine and this is bit of an older pic

[brave brook]

i said that so many times 😭

[lusty orchid]

that is the rear of the case containing an area for the emi/rear i/o shield as well as pcie cover slots and the hole for the psu

[lusty orchid]

tbf, i'm just re-iterating what you said with some extra pics

[brave brook]

yeah

it really shouldnt need it though

but anything that will help her ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty orchid]

on a side tangent, i'm contemplating an itx build that i'm kinda dreading

[spare sedge]

yeah. i was right the whole time but i was calling it a side panel. you were calling it the back panel basically.

[brave brook]

yeah, because the side panel everyone talks about is the (usually) glass one

[spare sedge]

so ig the back panel is the correct name maybe

[lusty orchid]

it's a side panel that faces away from you, so yes it can be taken as a rear panel or even back panel

[spare sedge]

when i hear back panel i think rear io

so whats the rear io panel called

[brave brook]

rear panel ig

[spare sedge]

makes sense

[lusty orchid]

the rear of the case or rear panel

[spare sedge]

so on the other side of the mb tray it has the cable management? ive see those in videos. is that where the 2.5 and 3.5 bays are too?

[lusty orchid]

depends on the case

[brave brook]

usually just 2.5" to make it thinner

[spare sedge]

but generally thats where the bays are?

[lusty orchid]

some are on the mobo tray like it is on mine, some are under the psu shroud

[brave brook]

but yeah, depends on the case

[spare sedge]

alr

[lusty orchid]

quite a few are like this as well

[lusty orchid]

will warn you though, any smaller than matx and you'll not have as much fun in building it

[spare sedge]

is this the psu

[pearl heath]

Yes

[lusty orchid]

on that build it is

[spare sedge]

i realize that pc building.

is like building a gundam for some people.

they want the fun lego part of it.

i dont tho. as long as i get the itx thing put together. i would be happy.

[spare sedge]

so what does the shroud look like

[lusty orchid]

itx is one of the smallest setups possible but also a nighmare for cable management

[lusty orchid]

that case in that build has none

[spare sedge]

yeah but after the nightmare is over. its basically over

[spare sedge]

yeah

[lusty orchid]

you're also twice as limitied on what you can fit in it, as well as how you cool it, and it can be double the price of a normal matx build

for best value, never go smaller than matx

[spare sedge]

not looking for best value tho

[lusty orchid]

you should, otherwise you can overspend on some of it and end up with some garbage parts

[spare sedge]

is this the shroud then

[lusty orchid]

for that 4000d AF, yes that's it's shroud

[spare sedge]

for the power supply. was it integrated into the case or just a freebie like how some cpus come with a cpu cooler.

[spare sedge]

and then what is external volume?

[open iris]

how much space it takes

[lusty orchid]

not worth it unless you was taking it to an event tbh as you'll get bored of it quite quickly

[vast geyser]

i have 1 extremely rgb fan cause i can see whats going on inside the pc

see the dust on the gpu

[lusty orchid]

also as you plan to put it into a van, i'd advise against a case with either acrylic or tempered glass side panels

[spare sedge]

wym

ik what volume is but wtf is external volume

[open iris]

the entire case

[spare sedge]

why not acrylic

[open iris]

if it just said volume people would assume its talking about the inside

which is why external is specificed

[lusty orchid]

easily scratched, twice as easy to break compared to tempered glass

[lusty orchid]

this totally depends on the brand and case

some put a crappy psu with the case, some don't and you need to get one

though tbh better to buy a psu separate from the case

[spare sedge]

what is acrylic again

[pearl heath]

I think this is a question best googled

[lusty orchid]

a type of plastic

[vast geyser]

i need some acrylic paint to paint my shoes..

[spare sedge]

i thought it was plastic but i dont understand why acrylic wouldnt hold up

[spare sedge]

do any have the psu built in

[spare sedge]

why not just put the whole dimensions of the case not the volume

[lusty orchid]

that's covered in the specs for the case on the websites for them

[lusty orchid]

yes but those tend to be crappy psu's

[vale prairie]

Jesus Christ half of these questions can literally just be googled in 5 seconds

[rotund rain]

you would think so but i guess that's too hard

[vale prairie]

It’s so much easier to google, just ask the same question you would type in here and you get an INSTANT response instead of having to wait

[teal pond]

I think she wants to know from actual people in current time

[brave brook]

I told her to google one time, and she sent a screenshot of google and said to the effect of “I can’t find it”

(The answer)

[vale prairie]

Wait she sent a screen of the answer? 🗿

[vast geyser]

maybe she should start using bing ai

[brave brook]

well, there was 1 answer on the right side with the summary thing, 1 answer in the first website result, and at least 1 in the "people also ask"

[vast geyser]

😭

lemme do that at 3am

nvm im out

[vale prairie]

🗿

[haughty quail]

Did she try reading the results 🤣

[haughty quail]

😭

[vast geyser]

ok wtf is this though

DUDE

[vale prairie]

🥲

[pearl heath]

As you should've realised, any online IQ test's main IQ test is actually doing it and expecting a free answer

But, well
I see a sheer lack of PC building discussion, hm

[vast geyser]

sorry

just woopy things

you get used to it

[pearl heath]

Ever scratched glass with metal?

[spare sedge]

nope

[pearl heath]

Ever scratched plastic with metal?

[vast geyser]

i would have gotten 200iq tbf

[spare sedge]

yeah

[pearl heath]

Now you have your answer as to why acrylic for side panel windows kinda sucks

[spare sedge]

so wait some pc cases dont even have a power supply shroud

[vale prairie]

Yes

[spare sedge]

what are the benefits of no shroud

[pearl heath]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Cheaper(?)

[vast geyser]

cheap? ig?

[vale prairie]

I think better airflow

[brave brook]

there are none

[open iris]

cheaper to make

[vast geyser]

not really

[open iris]

for them

[brave brook]

except cheaper probably

[spare sedge]

is shroud better / help the psu?

[open iris]

the advantage is for the company really

[brave brook]

no, airflow wouldnt change with a shroud

[pearl heath]

The shroud is entirely aesthetic

[open iris]

it doesnt help just looks better

[spare sedge]

i feel like no shroud would give you more space

[brave brook]

not really

[spare sedge]

but the shroud is soooooo ugly lmao

[pearl heath]

And looking at a rat's nest of cables isn't?

[brave brook]

not near as ugly as all the cables it hides

[spare sedge]

does the shroud keep the psu from jostling around??

[open iris]

no its screwed in

[spare sedge]

lmao so shroud is pointless

[brave brook]

no

it hides cable clutter

[open iris]

again for looks

[spare sedge]

i feel like id rather have the cables

[brave brook]

trust me, you wouldnt

[open iris]

i actually just dont believe you

[pearl heath]

You understand what aesthetic means, right

[spare sedge]

looks

[pearl heath]

Do you want to see this

[vast geyser]

it takes 5x as long to get the cables nice without a shroud

[spare sedge]

it objectively gives you more space inside the case

[spare sedge]

i can paint them

[vale prairie]

Not really for anything useful

[spare sedge]

pink

[pearl heath]

What..?

[vast geyser]

wat

[pearl heath]

The space under the shroud is still there lmao

[open iris]

youre trolling

[brave brook]

please dont do that

[vast geyser]

painting cables instead of having a shroud and cable extenders

[spare sedge]

yeah but you cant access it. its like a hollow cave

[pearl heath]

You can access it

[spare sedge]

and the psu is in the eay

[open iris]

you can

[brave brook]

Here’s psu shoud vs no psu shroud

[pearl heath]

From the other side of the case

[vast geyser]

in the psu shroud is my hard drive cage :(

[open iris]

how do you think it hides the cables lmao

[spare sedge]

how? from the front? im guessing the psu points out the rear

[pearl heath]

From the back of the case, yeah

Or the side opposite the side panel people care about

[spare sedge]

so the side with the cable management?

[pearl heath]

Yes

That side is always open

The shroud aint some solid block of metal, or enclosed on all sides

[brave brook]

Other side of my psu shroud

trust me, you want a psu shroud

[open iris]

can just paint it

[brave brook]

paint the cables?

just get fucking custom ones

or yk, get a case with a shroud, since most newer cases have one

[vale prairie]

You can also buy custom psu shrouds for cases without them

I saw one for the focus 2

[brave brook]

there's another option then

lol

[vale prairie]

Not sure if it’s the case for other cases though

I only checked to see if it would be worth it to get a focus 2 + custom psu shroud or meshify 2 lite

[open iris]

ngl i dont have any rgb in my pc but was thinking rgb cable extensions might be pretty cool

[brave brook]

like streamer cables?

[open iris]

ye

[brave brook]

i mean, whatever you want, but its a hell of a waste of money

[open iris]

looks are never a waste

[brave brook]

those looks are a waste imo

[open iris]

hey on aliexpress theyre pretty cheap

[pure mica]

💀

[brave brook]

ive heard aliexpress makes cheap rgb that actually functions

[open iris]

thing is i want a slight bit of light in my pc without rgb fans cause thats too much

[brave brook]

then get a normal led strip

[open iris]

thats lame

[brave brook]

its much cheaper, but still achieves "a slight bit of light"

[open iris]

you dont see the vision

[haughty quail]

aliexpress fire

[vale prairie]

Frfr

[haughty quail]

get the erying mobo

i want it fr tho

[spare sedge]

this makes me not want a psu shroud LOL

[brave brook]

wtf

how

[spare sedge]

i was gonna ask about this next

but if i get a shroud itll cover up my custom psu cables ;-;

[brave brook]

not what is connected to the gpu and motherboard

[vale prairie]

Would you rather see that 24/7? Or just occasionally when you have to change a component or something

[spare sedge]

another reason to go shroudless

[brave brook]

no

actually tho, you want a shroud

[haughty quail]

shrouds are good for cable management

well for non modular psus at least

[vale prairie]

Mhm

[haughty quail]

fr

[pure mica]

More like you hide all your shit behind it

[brave brook]

theyre good for any psu cable managment

[haughty quail]

oh good

[vale prairie]

If it looks good hide the shit

[haughty quail]

thats the whole point bro

[pure mica]

Ik

[haughty quail]

ok good

[vale prairie]

Less work + looks better

[haughty quail]

fr

[spare sedge]

OMG I LOVE THIS

[brave brook]

which looks better?

[spare sedge]

shroudless is really pretty imo

[haughty quail]

obv shroud

[haughty quail]

waht

[spare sedge]

if i do custom cables too

ooooo

[brave brook]

what the actual fuck

[haughty quail]

ig its ur prefrence

[brave brook]

are you serious

[haughty quail]

EXACTLY

[spare sedge]

yes

[brave brook]

how

[haughty quail]

bro

how do you like ugly cables sticking out

[spare sedge]

i like how clean the right picture looks

[haughty quail]

ITS NOT CLEAN

ITS CLUTTERED

[brave brook]

custom cables look better

but you still want to hide as much cable as possible

[haughty quail]

yeah

[brave brook]

thats your idea of clean???

[haughty quail]

its cluttered with all the cables just piled up together

[pure mica]

If it her idea of clean then man i dont want to see the final pc

[brave brook]

thats my server, and i didnt really care about it lol

[haughty quail]

lmfao yeah

[spare sedge]

so maximum video card length literally just tells you if your graphics card will fit or not?

[haughty quail]

basically

its literally self explanatory

max video card length

[pure mica]

Lol

[brave brook]

like a lot of the other questions

[haughty quail]

lmao

[vale prairie]

Who could’ve guessed 😐😑😐

[spare sedge]

dimensions are just the dimensions and the volume.

[pure mica]

Fact lmao

[haughty quail]

this thread kinda redundant ngl

[brave brook]

oh really? couldnt tell

[pure mica]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-pop-corn-cartoon-eating-gif-17185950

[spare sedge]

i actually have them blocked so i didnt get an answer

[pure mica]

That how this tread his

[haughty quail]

bro what

[brave brook]

who?

[spare sedge]

i can reveal on mobile either

idk

[haughty quail]

it better not be me bro

[pure mica]

Who know

[haughty quail]

ive tried to help

[spare sedge]

^

[haughty quail]

wait

[spare sedge]

⬆️

this person

[willow hamlet]

💀

[haughty quail]

bro

wtf i do

i legit tried to help a couple times

you should have pokey blocked or something

hes the real shitposter

[brave brook]

i honestly dont know how you can say no psu shroud looks clean or nice

[haughty quail]

EXACTLYY

[willow hamlet]

im surprised this thread doesnt have anything pinned for OP convenience. like lists of parts\ spreadsheets on what is researched.

[spare sedge]

can we go back to the questions tho

[haughty quail]

because

redundancy

[brave brook]

yeah, what other questions do you have

[haughty quail]

why havent we pinned important stuff anyways???

[willow hamlet]

no idea

[pure mica]

A google question

[willow hamlet]

makes 0 sense

[haughty quail]

this thread is a brain tumor bro

[brave brook]

chill your messages lol

[haughty quail]

half the stuff here are stuff you can just google

[haughty quail]

nuh uh

lol

[brave brook]

?

[haughty quail]

pov this thread

[brave brook]

thats being generous ngl

[haughty quail]

ehhh

i mean cant she just google what a psu shroud does?

or what a 3.5 bay is?

or whatever else we talked about that i forgot

[willow hamlet]

I understand some questions since talking to a person makes information more digestible but i was extremely surprised when i opened pins since i wanted to see some of the research that happened while i wasn't actively lurking this thread.

[brave brook]

as in more than half

[haughty quail]

oh mb

but seriously, this a brain tumor of a thread

[brave brook]

lol

[haughty quail]

ive googled like 80% of the shit ik about pcs

other parts from friends and these brain tumor threads

[brave brook]

i have a major in brain aneurisms from this thread

[haughty quail]

i have major brain damage

and youve helped since the beginning pretty much

[vale prairie]

I do have manny an stroke dew too dis fred

[haughty quail]

fred

[vale prairie]

Zoinks Scoob!

[haughty quail]

rehehehehe

[vale prairie]

I’ll give you a scooby snack if you go in there

[haughty quail]

ruh roh raggy

[spare sedge]

so maximum video card length literally just tells you if your graphics card will fit or not?

dimensions are just the dimensions and the volume.

and then does the front panel usb determine how many actual usb ports there are and then they use the headers? so this case has 2 usb ports only one type c and one type a?

[haughty quail]

we just answered first part

[haughty quail]

do you have dementia????

[haughty quail]

yes it has 2

[brave brook]

she just wants to reconfirm everything multiple times

[haughty quail]

it lists 2

[vale prairie]

Dream if your wondering Tf2 medic is asking if you have dementia

[brave brook]

lmao 😂

[haughty quail]

like my dumbass brain

[spare sedge]

reaffirmation and clarity mostly

[haughty quail]

i mean its straight forward

[brave brook]

how often do you google things, actually though?

[haughty quail]

max gpu length

🤯 🤯 🤯

my dumbass understands that first time reading it

and im pretty stupid

[brave brook]

so the max gpu length is the max length gpu that can fit inside that case...woah

[haughty quail]

bro why is the r word not allowed but basically all other cuss words

[vale prairie]

Slur vs cuss

[pure mica]

She do probably 💀

[haughty quail]

lmao

my dumbass needs to relearn stuff cuz of adhd

i hate that shit

[brave brook]

dream, lets do a test. take your next question, paste it into google, and click the first unsponsered web result, and see what you get

[haughty quail]

fr

[haughty quail]

😠

i wanna call myself the r word thou 😦

stupid warship

[brave brook]

youre annoyed over 1 word thats banned?

[haughty quail]

ues

pardon my stupidity

[vale prairie]

Pardon deez nutz

[haughty quail]

lmfaoo

goofy goober

[brave brook]

okayy, chill on the trolling lol

[haughty quail]

ugh

fine mafaka

@spare sedge ask pc stuff or i shitpost 😐

[brave brook]

please dont

[haughty quail]

im joking

i already did that in first thread

teehee

[brave brook]

@spare sedge, lets do a test. take your next question, paste it into google, and click the first unsponsored web result, and see what you get

[haughty quail]

DREAM

DO SOMETHING UGGGG

[brave brook]

bro

chill

[haughty quail]

i am chill silly

[brave brook]

cap

[haughty quail]

yuh huh

i chills

🥶

[brave brook]

did you actually have an aneurysm?

[haughty quail]

i don tink so

[vale prairie]

i Don tink si eiter

[haughty quail]

dream

[brave brook]

shes offline bruh

[vale prairie]

Aren’t you blocked anyway?

[brave brook]

lol thats what you get for spamming ngl

[vale prairie]

I guarantee a good few thousand of these messages are just shit posts

[haughty quail]

man

stupid mute

[brave brook]

you were spamming

what did you expect

[haughty quail]

nuh uh

[orchid gate]

I can see why she does this

Irl it would be much faster even with the same method

[haughty quail]

pokey says she trolling

[orchid gate]

You listen to that mental institute escapee?

[haughty quail]

yes hes funi

[brave brook]

get out

[orchid gate]

Don’t learn from him or you’ll learn more from mods

[haughty quail]

hes a silly billy, shush

[brave brook]

....

why

[haughty quail]

hes funi

hes very silly

bro's still here ⁉️

[brave brook]

who?

[haughty quail]

pokey

[brave brook]

i mean, hes muted (again)

[haughty quail]

yeah 2 weeks

[vale prairie]

Rip

[haughty quail]

fr tho

we lost a good man for 2 weeks

[brave brook]

What is wrong with you

[teal pond]

Lol

pokey was interesting

[brave brook]

just annoying

[haughty quail]

hes funi

[brave brook]

Can we stop talking about pokey, it’s not helpful for the thread

[haughty quail]

but

😦

ok

[spare sedge]

alr so i am off work

also, it should be p obvious that pokey jim and atomic sub are all the same person

and they are INSANE

[haughty quail]

AY 😠

WHAT ABOUT ME 😠 😠 😠

[brave brook]

uhhhhh what?

if they are, they all need to be banned

[haughty quail]

oh then nvm

[sonic oasis]

Those are serious accusations any proof

[brave brook]

did you even read the rules

[spare sedge]

so many accounts that are just. roleplay accounts like wtf. lmao. itll be some shit like. zeldax9x9 and then the profile picture is just fucking zelda lmao

i have no proof. but ive always thought this

[haughty quail]

ugh

i hate reading

[brave brook]

deal with it

[haughty quail]

is bro really saying a username that matches pfp is stupid?

😭

tell blud to unblock me pls

i try to help

[spare sedge]

and then they will play good cop and bad cop

[brave brook]

thats honestly not strange....look at my acct lol

[haughty quail]

🤯

[spare sedge]

pokey is the bad cop lmao

[haughty quail]

funny cop

[brave brook]

why the hell are you defending him

[haughty quail]

i aint

hes just a silly billy

[spare sedge]

you have been susing me out for so damn long too. i just thought you were pokey playing good cop lmao

[haughty quail]

now lets move on

[teal pond]

if it gets to the point where you post pictures and memes of the character on your pfp you need to be more original

but it’s fine

[haughty quail]

hey 😦

[teal pond]

I said it’s fine

[brave brook]

really? im not

but yes, lets move on

[haughty quail]

bro has done the most help ngl

[haughty quail]

If insane is giving genuine advice and calling you out on your bs, then call me delulu ☝️ 🤓

[teal pond]

what is dream researching rn

[haughty quail]

pcs apparently

[spare sedge]

i believe you. its just the roleplay pfp. it doesnt automatically mean anything. but def sused out.

[brave brook]

and whoopy too!

[teal pond]

No shit

[haughty quail]

yeah

[spare sedge]

in this thread, we will just do cases right now while i work on much more in the background

[haughty quail]

Roleplay account?

we had to answer what gpu height meant 3 times

dream has dementia

[teal pond]

you want pink, right?

[spare sedge]

yeah

[haughty quail]

She legit has no pfp, she cannot be talking about other people being "sus"

[spare sedge]

i dont mind painting tho

[brave brook]

dream, lets do a test. take your next question, paste it into google, and click the first or second unsponsered web result, and see what you get

[haughty quail]

FOR REAL BRO

[teal pond]

that will be the best option if you want a good case

[haughty quail]

Anybody she calls sus is just people who call her out on her bs. She avoids confrontation and she knows it

She just rides the comments of people who agree with her

[haughty quail]

this thread is ngl kinda ns

bs

Real

[brave brook]

thats true

[haughty quail]

Also your pfp is funny. Keep it

pokey is just watching

[brave brook]

dream, why dont you have a pfp, genuinely curious

[haughty quail]

who?

me?

Yours

Yeah

[spare sedge]

its my alt account

[haughty quail]

its from emesis blue

[haughty quail]

POKEY WAS RIGHT NO WAY

[spare sedge]

never thought i would use it.

[haughty quail]

i didnt know pokey could get stuff right

[spare sedge]

yeah cause i told him

[teal pond]

are you needing to use two accounts at once?

[brave brook]

wait what?

[haughty quail]

My man 🤝

[haughty quail]

oh

wait

i unblocked?!?1//!

[haughty quail]

emesis blue is fire my guy

now lets get back on topic

[spare sedge]

my main account isnt in this server because it is against the rules

but discord TOS allows you to have i think up to 3 accounts

[haughty quail]

lmao my friend got banned cuz his name linusgaetips

Dayum outta curiosity what made it against the rules

[spare sedge]

if not 3, then its 2

[haughty quail]

So we can avoid it from happening again 🙏

[brave brook]

all of my alts have pfps

[haughty quail]

same my single alt is a tiger 1

[sonic oasis]

How many do you have

[spare sedge]

but ive been on discord for awhile, and basically server rules override discord rules

[haughty quail]

What even got you banned

[spare sedge]

i just havent bothered adding one to this account.

[haughty quail]

its so simple

[spare sedge]

ive been literally too busy

and idc. about this account tbh

[haughty quail]

ik, but it takes like 3 mins to find pic and add it to acc

[spare sedge]

idc if people think its sus either.

[teal pond]

its red which is sussiest color

ok ill stop

[sonic oasis]

Fr

[spare sedge]

true

[sonic oasis]

Red is sus

[haughty quail]

NO

[brave brook]

uhhhhhhh, way too many...

[haughty quail]

📮

[haughty quail]

NO NO NO NO

[sonic oasis]

Me who has one:

[haughty quail]

Pattern recognition.

[teal pond]

among us…?

[haughty quail]

same lmao

[haughty quail]

NO STOP STOP SOTP

STOP

[brave brook]

you cant control the color of your pfp replacement

[sonic oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us2021-gif-19793826

[brave brook]

guys slow down

[spare sedge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCYQzy/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011200-ww

[haughty quail]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-gryphonthebard-tf2medic-medic-kastamoinen-gif-22960133

[spare sedge]

why does this case have 2 different sets of dimensions

[haughty quail]

4000d is fire case

[brave brook]

except the fans

[sonic oasis]

Fr

[haughty quail]

they different measurements little bud

[haughty quail]

I literally asked who pokey was 😭

🤯

[brave brook]

but if dream wants rgb, then idk

[teal pond]

she can just get seperate fans

[haughty quail]

how do you not know what a mm and inch is???

💀

[brave brook]

wdym different measurements

[haughty quail]

seriously

[haughty quail]

mm and inch

[teal pond]

Dream…

[haughty quail]

You need to tailor your Google searches better

[brave brook]

@spare sedge is that what youre asking about

[haughty quail]

oops too many caps

Google searches by keywords, it doesn't comprehend the entire phrase you're asking

[haughty quail]

exactly

[haughty quail]

but how do you not know the difference between mm and inch?

[sonic oasis]

Bruh

[haughty quail]

😭

[spare sedge]

im asking about this

it has 2 bulletin points

[haughty quail]

thats 3

[brave brook]

yes, one is metric, and one is imperial

[haughty quail]

What is difficult to understand? I'm confused

[spare sedge]

which one is imperial again

[haughty quail]

bro

[brave brook]

the ones you use

[haughty quail]

...

[brave brook]

inches

[haughty quail]

Okay, are you from the US or no

The US uses the imperial system

[teal pond]

dream you may want to go bigger on the case because of gpu

[haughty quail]

this is a shitshow what in the hell

[spare sedge]

oh okay

why even list both of them

no one uses imperial lol

[haughty quail]

Because not everyone lives in the US silly

[brave brook]

because people use both

[haughty quail]

BRO

People in the US use imperial 😭 you use imperial

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD

[teal pond]

different people use different measurements

[spare sedge]

such a weird way to annotate it

[haughty quail]

my brain hurts 😦

[brave brook]

there are 4 countries use imperial, the rest use metric

[haughty quail]

You mean the conversion from mm to inches? I don't understand

[brave brook]

what?

[haughty quail]

idk if dream is being serious or dream is just ignorant

[spare sedge]

probably the same way with volume then too

[brave brook]

yeah

[haughty quail]

of what???

[teal pond]

yes probably

[haughty quail]

the latter

actually

both

🤣

i said mm and inches like 6 times

She has selective reading and memory, don't worry about it

[spare sedge]

creepyerboy permission to dm?

[brave brook]

yeah sure, you should be able to

[teal pond]

dream don’t worry about the fact there is two different measurements

[haughty quail]

we aint even pinning important stuff

[spare sedge]

well yeah, you are all blocked. ofc i wouldnt see it. its literally physically selective lmao

[haughty quail]

dream is a little slow

all i wanna do is help but im getting so confused broo

[haughty quail]

❄️

[teal pond]

just dont then, this thread is confusing I do agree on that

[haughty quail]

i bet theres like 3 unblocked people here

[brave brook]

i seriously doubt that, considering you liked pokey

[haughty quail]

nah bro i was joking

i never said i liked him either

[teal pond]

pokey was just accusing dream of trolling the entire time

[haughty quail]

You just block people who give advice, and they tend to have the same exact advice given - which is majority of the thread

this is one goofy thread

[brave brook]

ya think?

[teal pond]

this is literally just an argument

not even a thread