♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[spare sedge]

i didnt even start using gpt until recently

[pearl heath]

Please be aware that chatGPT answers can and will be wildly incorrect sometimes

[spare sedge]

been discussed

i didnt even like chat gpt.

but its been helpful recently

this

this

[haughty quail]

You asked what the P meant

?

[spare sedge]

yeah and chat gpt is wrong lmao

do you have random blocked lmao

[haughty quail]

Who?

[spare sedge]

lmao

[haughty quail]

lmao

[haughty quail]

You still asked what it was, we simply pointed it out in the picture

If answering the question you provide is "treating you like this", might reconsider

[spare sedge]

dont help

you havent helped out once

[haughty quail]

Then don't ask questions on a public forum

[lusty orchid]

want to know the dumb thing about nand types?

[spare sedge]

everything you say is just unhelpful

[spare sedge]

yes

[haughty quail]

Unhelpful, or you just want to ignore?

[lusty orchid]

other than slc could be generalized under mlc

[spare sedge]

that was kind of a guess of mine

[lusty orchid]

as mlc just means multi layer cell

[spare sedge]

so is slc the best

[lusty orchid]

for endurance it's the best

[spare sedge]

endurance as in speed

[lusty orchid]

but for data writing it's the worse

[lusty orchid]

nope

endurance as in how long it will last

[spare sedge]

i thought qlc and plc are just more capacity and slower

[lusty orchid]

where they say how many writes it will do is the endurance

[lusty orchid]

nope, more capacity, and faster in writes but has a way lower endurance for it

[haughty quail]

?

[spare sedge]

what is endurance

[haughty quail]

You tell me

[lusty orchid]

now long it will last, as in how many writes it is garuanteed for

[vast geyser]

how many times an ssd can write stuff to itself before dying

[haughty quail]

Proving my point

argues first "leave me alone" "you say unhelpful things" ignores actual advice

[spare sedge]

so its just the write speed?

[lusty orchid]

you will see some say 1,000 tbw on them

[haughty quail]

☕

[lusty orchid]

no

[spare sedge]

oh so like durability

like a diamond pickaxe vs a golden pickaxe in mc

[lusty orchid]

the write and read speed are the sequentials, and not endurance related

[lusty orchid]

yes

[haughty quail]

Lmk when the van exists

I mostly want to see the van

[lusty orchid]

i'm interested in the implementation for the power side of it

[spare sedge]

sure

OHHHH

i didnt know lightning was usb2

lmao

thats so bad

[vast geyser]

apple

[spare sedge]

yeah ik

[vast geyser]

👍

[spare sedge]

lmao

that literally explains so much to me rn

if i was eu id be mad too lmao

i have no sympathy for apple using usb2 lmao

how about i make a separate thread for the van lol

not yet tho

[vast geyser]

doesnt belong in build a pc

[spare sedge]

any other reason to not go m.2 gen 5 if the mb supports m.2 gen 5 besides the cooling?

[spare sedge]

doesnt have to be

[vast geyser]

theres no other thread for that

[spare sedge]

it would be fine in tech support or battlestations

[vast geyser]

also, making a van livable is more so personal research, preferences, and lots of measurements

[open iris]

The fact you won't take advantage of it

[spare sedge]

how?

[vast geyser]

id assume at least

[spare sedge]

ive already done my research on van life

[open iris]

Because it has no affect in games and you don't spend all day just moving files from one drive to another

[spare sedge]

im saying lets not talk about it in here

[vast geyser]

ok?

[lusty orchid]

it is, and it's realistically no different from usb C running at usb2 speed

[spare sedge]

well yeah it is a usbc 2.0

with a funny name

meanwhile apple with thunderbolt lmao

[lusty orchid]

no performance benefits for you personally for how you want your pc

[spare sedge]

the best connector on earth

[open iris]

Yet it's going to stifle apples innovation

[spare sedge]

or spec standard*

what benefits are there

[lusty orchid]

once sorted out, battle stations would be an ideal location

[spare sedge]

i wouldnt post now. its months out

[lusty orchid]

if it was video editing, the speed is the major benefit

[spare sedge]

but ik i want a laptop too after the pc

[spare sedge]

so video editing benefits from m.2 5x4?

[lusty orchid]

it benefits from a gen 4 drive to begin with

[spare sedge]

and so even more with gen 5?

[lusty orchid]

yup

[spare sedge]

okayy

so not just file copy transferring

[lusty orchid]

especially when you're talking about a 40+ gb raw video for like 4k resolution

[spare sedge]

so 4k video editing

okay cool

[lusty orchid]

production based editing **

[spare sedge]

i doubt many mbs offer it

so if you dont get a mb that offers that then its really just a paper weight

you need to match your m.2s to your mb

[lusty orchid]

several intel and both b650e and x670e mobo's from amd

[vast geyser]

not really

[spare sedge]

with raid. does it matter the type of storage?

[vast geyser]

its backwards compatible

[lusty orchid]

no, you need to match it to your use case

[spare sedge]

like does raid 10 work with 4 m.2s

or 3 m.2s and 1 sata ssd

[vast geyser]

you can use a pcie 2 m.2 with a pcie 5 slot if you wanted to

[lusty orchid]

nope, but again you match it to your use case

[spare sedge]

yep

so you CAN mismatch

[spare sedge]

this is good to know too. i was assuming it.

[lusty orchid]

raid 10 as it mirrors and spans the data, you want all drives to match in speed and capacity

[spare sedge]

whereas raid 5 or 6. its not as important to match speed and cap

[lusty orchid]

but for what you're after, you don't need to touch raid setups

[spare sedge]

probably not

[lusty orchid]

it is important

[spare sedge]

oh so with all raid you need to match cap and speed

[lusty orchid]

jbod is the only type of raid where capacity doesn't matter

[spare sedge]

does speed really matter then or just cap

[lusty orchid]

for raid types that isn't jbod, yes speed does matter

jbod = just a bunch of drives

[spare sedge]

okay

i remember

so wait

theres usb4 ssds??

[vast geyser]

i guess

external ones

maybe

[lusty orchid]

it would be external, primarily an nvme ssd inside an enclosure using usb c as the connection under usb4 protocol

[lavish nexus]

Well I mean…

Upside is dream is done obsessing over USB

Wait nope might’ve spoke too soon

[haughty quail]

dream likes usbs

[spare sedge]

alr does anyone have an m.2 recommendations

1.5 pages of 4tb m.2s

i wish i could sort by random r/w

[brave brook]

Now that’s just wrong. It came out after chat gpt

[brave brook]

Yeah, the 1tb mp33 and the 4tb mp34

[spare sedge]

why the mp33

[brave brook]

It’s cheap

And there isn’t a 1tb mp34

It is gen 3, but they’re significantly cheaper than gen 4

[spare sedge]

what about the pro

[lusty orchid]

dont worry about going for the pro, no speed difference

[spare sedge]

what does pro mean / do

[lusty orchid]

pro being short for professional i believe for that one

also mp34q = qlc nand version of the mp34

[spare sedge]

thank youu

[brave brook]

Aka don’t use it

[lusty orchid]

yup

[brave brook]

I accidentally got a qlc ssd (the p3) for my game drive

Because I didn’t know the difference

[lusty orchid]

it works just that it has a lower over all endurance compared to a tlc drive

[haughty quail]

^^^

[brave brook]

Yeah, which for a game drive, is fine

[spare sedge]

so actually do stay away from qlc and tlc

stick to slc and mlc ssds?

could i start with 1 ssd and then buy a 2nd one later for a "game drive"

[pure mica]

Ye i did that you just need to format the new drive when you install well you need to do that enyway in the first place so

[brave brook]

tlc is the best bang for the buck

slc is way too expensive

and most dont use it anyway

[spare sedge]

does pcpp tell you which one it is

[brave brook]

not that i know of

but the mp33 is tlc

just get that and call it a day

[spare sedge]

finally

jfc

[brave brook]

?

[spare sedge]

looks like samsung leads the market. not wd

makes sense

[brave brook]

ok

will you take my advice tho?

[spare sedge]

whats your advice

to just buy the mp33

[brave brook]

get a 1tb mp33, and a 4tb mp34. if you need more storage down the line (you probably wont), then you'll (depending on the mobo) have 1-2 extra m.2 slots

[spare sedge]

maybe

i need more comparison

[pure mica]

We will not be done in one month for sure with this build...

[spare sedge]

what about the crucial t700

ltt did a video on it and it comes with a heatsink

so what im getting now

is that no one does slc or mlc because its hard to scaled the capacity

so they are faster but thats why everyone does tlc instead of qlc right now

and then there is the samsung 990 pro

[pure mica]

Hehehe i got 2 🤪

[spare sedge]

so i should also consider those as well

i hear both are amazing drives

so the cpu DOES determine the # of cpu lanes on the mb??

does revision 5 mean its pcie gen 5?

so wait x2 or x1 lanes would be better on drives then?

like more lanes means a more powerful drive

but less lanes means it takes up less of the cpu or chipset lanes

[brave brook]

Most are 4 lanes

There’s really no need for comparison. The mp33/34 will suffice

[brave brook]

So will most motherboards

[brave brook]

There’s 24 pcie lanes + 4 lanes reserved for the chipset. I believe revision 5 is gen 5.

[spare sedge]

wdym. im talking about the t700

wdym by 24 + 4 lanes = 28 lanes

[brave brook]

Yes, and I’m saying most motherboards have heatsinks so buying an ssd simply because of the heatsink is stupid. Also, is that gen 5? If so, don’t buy it

[spare sedge]

ohh 4 of them have to go to the chipset too??

that fucking sucks lmao

[brave brook]

Not really

[spare sedge]

so you only get 24 not 28

[brave brook]

That’s how the chipset gives more lanes

[spare sedge]

how does ssd naming work

[brave brook]

Or else you’d only get 24

[spare sedge]

like samsung 980 vs 990

[brave brook]

Bigger number = better/faster

[spare sedge]

i mean yeah but this means nothing cause all mbs have chipsets and thats just the standard

ik you sacrifice 4 for more but still

[brave brook]

And the chipset needs pcie lanes

[spare sedge]

is it always 4 lanes

or do some chipsets need more

[brave brook]

So it’s better to reserve those for the chipset. And most reviews skip those altogether, because they’re standard

[brave brook]

I think so

[spare sedge]

is there gens or

[brave brook]

There’s many gen 3 and 4, and 2-3 gen 5. Gen 5 is absolutely useless for this pc

And 90% of them are x4

[spare sedge]

does the capacity change the speed too? why do different capacities have different benchmarks and different irl performance?

[brave brook]

Do. Not. Buy. The t700

[spare sedge]

when everything else is the same

ughh

its an example

[brave brook]

I was referring to your first mention of it, not that picture

[spare sedge]

oh alright

well can you answer the question tho

[brave brook]

Where did you learn that? I’m curious

I don’t know how capacities compare. I’d assume they’re similar performance. The drive writes per day will be different because it takes different amounts of time for different capacities

[rotund rain]

to a minor extent they do there used to be a more extreme difference but now it's quite small.

As to why:

1. Fewer NAND Chips
2. Reduced Parallelism
3. Smaller DRAM Cache
4. Limited Overprovisioning
5. Smaller Controller Limitations
6. Economies of Scale

[brave brook]

And no cache anymore because of how fast nvme is

[spare sedge]

here are some fan favorites

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/1919648/WD-BLACK-SN850X-4000GB

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bf9wrH/adata-xpg-gammix-s70-blade-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs70b-4t-cs

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cDJp99/lexar-nm790-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-lnm790x004t-rnnng

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CTTp99/sabrent-rocket-4-plus-8-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rkt4p-8tb

apparently this is the only good 8tb m.2 nvme ssd

idk why but all these benchmarks are saying the 2tb versions of ssds are faster and better than 4tb and 8tb ssds

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8hkH99/crucial-t700-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000t700ssd3

and this is apparently the best ssd on the market rn

its only $290

so that's like nothing

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/srMMnQ/msi-spatium-m570-hs-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sm570n2tbh

the m570 did well too

also $290

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MBmNnQ/gigabyte-aorus-gen5-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ag510k2tb

gigabyte has one too

also $290

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7RQcCJ/samsung-990-pro-wheatsink-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v9p2t0cw

990 pro with heatsink seems to be everyones favorite

and the 2tb version is apparently one of the best

its 4x4 but it's also only $150

basically half the price of the 5x4 m.2 nvme ssds

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/X8nypg/solidigm-p44-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfkkw020x7x1

here's a $105 one that naol recommended next to the 990 pro

p44 seems to do well but its the 1tb not the 2tb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vrTp99/solidigm-p44-pro-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfkkw010x7x1

which is $60

[orchid gate]

Super power hog

First ever PCIe 5.0 drive, you pay you pray

[spare sedge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/2wELIS19cX8?si=cQsws3tV6GC3xPeT

tf is this

[orchid gate]

So, GPU functions on its own, RAM doesn’t add to it

But it appears as if it’s a legit VRAM hack which it probably isn’t

@spare sedge don’t splurge on PCIe 5.0 drives

Imo no one needs anything faster than PCIe 4.0, plus PCIe 5.0 isn’t very energy efficient either

[orchid gate]

Not in terms of power efficiency, again

also it’s “overqualified for the job”, like having Gordon Ramsay making a bowl of white rice, no dressing or additions

I’m sure he’d sneak in a crouton (“flaw”) or two (like the t700’s inefficiency)

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1676119/pcie-5-ssd-5-reasons-upgrade.html i think the last point is a banger

As an early adopter you might feel bummed to miss out on potentially way faster drives that are PCIe 5.0

and might have someone chuckle at you for “believing that was 5.0”

[spare sedge]

lmao

have you seen him make a grilled cheese sandwich

what was fucking on that day

lmaoo

https://youtu.be/8E4cQHejFq0?si=1nkbFphLCS6trLja

[spare sedge]

so even if i get a gen 5 pcie m.2 slot

i should just get a gen 4 m.2 and then wait for the better gen 5 m.2s

[spare sedge]

i will say tho. $290 is NOT a splurge lol

$1000 on a 8tb m.2 is a splurge.

i think my budget for an m.2 is $1000. i wont go over that and be happy

i think ik enough tho to at least go back to motherboards

my filler ssd right now is the samsung 990 pro or something

cpu 7950x3d gpu 4090 ram ddr5 5600 cl28 mb x670e cpu cooler aio storage 990 pro
budget 3-5k usecase #1gaming #2productivity theme pink

hi, my name is kassy, i am currently trying to choose a motherboard.

updated the post

so i now some usb is cpu lanes or chipset lanes

im guessing the same is here with m.2 too

wait wtf

this hdv supports 5x4 lmao

that wasnt hard to find

its like a $140 mb

so i know the ones that say 2260 / 2280 means it supports both of those sizes

but how does something fit a 2280 and none of the smaller ones???? makes no sense to me

they are just shorter

how do they not fit lmao

and what is blazing vs hyper??

what does 2 m.2 3 connectors mean lmao??

and what does 5x4x2 mean?

[rotund rain]

Most likely the number of M.2 slots on the motherboard

[spare sedge]

i know there is 2 on that board

but whats the "3"

earlier it says socket 3

but idk what socket 3 means

[rotund rain]

M.2 sockets keyed for SATA or two PCI Express lanes (PCIe ×2) are referred to as "socket 2 configuration" or "socket 2", while the sockets keyed for four PCI Express lanes (PCIe ×4) are referred to as "socket 3 configuration" or "socket 3"

[rotund rain]

X4 and x2 refers to the number of pci express lanes running to the SSD, some higher end motherboards allow you to bifurcate lanes to utilize them in other slots on the motherboard, or allow for more combinations of storage if needed

[spare sedge]

what does bifurcate mean

[rotund rain]

“Bifurcate" is a verb that means to divide or split something into two parts or branches. When something is bifurcated, it is separated into two distinct or separate elements. This term is often used to describe a process of division or separation where a single entity or path is split into two.

In the context of SSDs and storage technology, "bifurcate" refers to the ability to split or divide the PCIe lanes on a motherboard or controller into multiple partitions or channels. This is commonly done to allow a single physical PCIe slot or connection to support multiple SSDs, each using a portion of the available PCIe lanes.

[spare sedge]

so i know about x4 and x2. and ik those are the number of lanes

and ik m.2 uses pcie

and ik what 5x4 and what 5x2 means

gen 5 with 4 lanes or gen 5 with 2 lanes

and ik that gen 5 with 2 lanes would use less lanes obviously from other devices that could use it since you only get so many lanes on the cpu or the chipset. in this case all the m.2 is using the cpu lanes only.

but by saying bifurcate do you just mean that the m.2 slot supports 5x4 AND 5x2 or does it mean something else

also is this a typo? this is for the same board

ive never heard of m.2 with 25mm width

and pcpp says its 2580 not 2280????

but they both say its 25110????

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fFzhP6/gigabyte-b650m-aorus-elite-ax-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-aorus-elite-ax

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650M-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-10-11/sp#sp

[novel pulsar]

what's

[limber hatch]

boty

[spare sedge]

haii

[limber hatch]

boy what in the

[spare sedge]

ik ik

[limber hatch]

nah jk

[spare sedge]

please dont make fun of me

[limber hatch]

ok so whats ur budget?

[spare sedge]

but i really need the help

5k ig.

[novel pulsar]

m.2 connector are where you put your SSDs in

[limber hatch]

where are u

uk or us or eu

[spare sedge]

us

[limber hatch]

ok

jesus 5k

[novel pulsar]

5k helps? that's a lot

[limber hatch]

is this just pc

or everythinbg

ie desk chair monitor

kb mouse

[spare sedge]

everything

[limber hatch]

ok

how big is ur room or the room u want ur stuff to be in

[novel pulsar]

and it's supposed to look like kuromi

[limber hatch]

do u guys have ikea?

[spare sedge]

ik a lot more now but basically im just confused by some wording on product websites

[limber hatch]

do u have a build in mind

[spare sedge]

yes and 3 mc

[novel pulsar]

yes

chdck the top message

[spare sedge]

#1139391773253316608 message

[limber hatch]

ohh

[spare sedge]

yess this

[limber hatch]

i didnt see mb 🙏

[spare sedge]

no dont be

[limber hatch]

cpu 7950x3d gpu 4090 ram ddr5 5600 cl28 mb x670e cpu cooler aio storage 990 pro
budget 3-5k usecase #1gaming #2productivity theme pink

[spare sedge]

suprim liquid x for the 4090

[novel pulsar]

wow

that's a big gpu AND a big cooler

[limber hatch]

can u adopt me please

[spare sedge]

as long as you are older than 18

then sure :3

[novel pulsar]

? ok

[spare sedge]

right now im confused by aorus elite ax's wording on pcpp and its manufacturer's website

can you guys help me figure this out idk what to do

[novel pulsar]

m.2 are these connectors you connect SSDs

[limber hatch]

do u have an AIO in mind?

[novel pulsar]

the small ones

[spare sedge]

not yet

ik what m.2s are

but the form factor numbers are off

one says 25110. do 25mm width m.2s exist?

i thought they were all 22mm

[novel pulsar]

um some are longer

some are shorter

[spare sedge]

i know the shorter ones

[novel pulsar]

this is a m.2 connectoe

and it's the same

[spare sedge]

ik that too

[novel pulsar]

there's are no wider ones

[limber hatch]

bro i dont think u need to read everything letter by letter

[novel pulsar]

i think the second image says you get a special thing to put SSDs on, then you connect it to a PCIe slot

[limber hatch]

also ALWAYS BUY WARRANTY

[spare sedge]

and then why does pcpp say this is a 2580 / 25110 mkey when the manufacturer says it is a 25110 / 2280 mkey

[novel pulsar]

an M-Key

[novel pulsar]

probably a minor mistake

[limber hatch]

don worry bro

[novel pulsar]

trust manufacturer not pcpp if there's any contradictions

[limber hatch]

so u want a two fanned aio yeah?

[spare sedge]

not sure actually

im working on storage and a motherboard first

[limber hatch]

i see

amazon is an amazing site

[spare sedge]

so instead of 2580 or 25110. it should be 2280 and 22110?

[orchid gate]

Ok, in your case ig

[novel pulsar]

ye

[pearl heath]

Yes

[pearl heath]

Christ your budget for storage alone is more than most people's budgets for their entire PC

[lusty orchid]

mobo should be b650 chipset, ram should be 6000 cl30-32 as that cpu can do it

and tbh, gen 4 drive is a waste for what you plan on doing

[spare sedge]

are you still awake

#1139391773253316608 message

do you know whats going on here

[lusty orchid]

it can accept a fractionally wider nvme drive, but tbh you would be hard pressed to find a nvme drive that's 25mm wide

[spare sedge]

so that means it must be a typo

[lusty orchid]

standard nvme's are 22mm wide

[spare sedge]

ik that

[lusty orchid]

nope

[spare sedge]

wdym

[lusty orchid]

it's not a typo

[spare sedge]

how

[lusty orchid]

they have given space for a slightly wider nvme drive

really simple there

[spare sedge]

slightly wider??

it says 2580

[lusty orchid]

yes

[spare sedge]

and 25110

[lusty orchid]

25 mm wide, 80mm long

[spare sedge]

and pcpp doesnt even say the same thing

[lusty orchid]

25 mm wide 110mm long

[spare sedge]

you just said 25mm wide doesnt exist

i already know what 2580 and 25110 means

[lusty orchid]

pcpp just follows the websites info

[spare sedge]

well then pcpp is a typo then

[lusty orchid]

i can show you areas of pcpp where it shows up as all the pcie slots are pcie x16 on a mobo but they're actually not

[spare sedge]

2580/25110 M-key is what pcpp says
M key, type 25110/2280 is what the manufacturers website says

[lusty orchid]

and that's only because a pcie x16 slot is used but it's electrically wired for pcie x4

[spare sedge]

so that means pcpp made a typo then

[lusty orchid]

nope

[spare sedge]

wdym

[lusty orchid]

....

[spare sedge]

THE WEBSITE

SAYS DIFFERENT INFO

[lusty orchid]

just to reapeat again, pcpp follows what the website does

[spare sedge]

i literally just posted the info here

does that look like the same thing to you?

pcpp says it is 2580. the manufacturer says its 2280

[lusty orchid]

sign in to pcpp and tell them to make a correction

[spare sedge]

is it a typo?

[pearl heath]

Yes

[lusty orchid]

it would have to be at this point, reading what the site, and manual said

[pearl heath]

Pcpp uses data scrapers to get the info from the websites and sometimes it gets it wrong

That is all

[lusty orchid]

i know i've had to get them to correct a nvme before

[spare sedge]

and so even though 25mm wide ssds dont exist. manufacturers make m.2 slots 25mm wide that are backward compatible with 22mm wide standard m.2s is what you are saying?

[lusty orchid]

yup

[spare sedge]

so i can still plug my 2280 m.2 into a 2580 m.2 slot?

[lusty orchid]

more or less it allows for a nvme that has a heatsink attached, but yes you can

[lusty orchid]

you going to change the ram to 6000 cl30-32?

you know what is "supported" is based on jedec ram specs where cpu's are concerned

but what it can hand under expo/xmp is totally different

[spare sedge]

i will look more into it but honestly probably not just going based off the benchmarks in this video

https://youtu.be/b-WFetQjifc?si=9nxfZ4QclQ1KgV3O

[lusty orchid]

i'd use a better video in that regards

[spare sedge]

couldnt find any other better comparisons

cant find any good ssd comparisons either besides passmark

[lusty orchid]

gamernexus? derbauer

[spare sedge]

the 5600 looks to be on par with the 6400 in terms of irl performance

[lusty orchid]

puget systems better than passmark

[spare sedge]

and speed isnt everything. its more about the timings

[lusty orchid]

you mean first word latency

[spare sedge]

and they all have the same first word latency

10ns

[lusty orchid]

which i can easily label off which ddr5's are 10ns

[spare sedge]

im going the 5600 because the 6000 speed increase is an additive property with a very linear progression. the tighter CL on the 5600 is better than the 6000's CL

[lusty orchid]

though going above 6000 mhz really isn't that easy unless you're into ram oc'ing which is not for you currently as it's your "first" build

[spare sedge]

and i would rather have a lower CL than +400 mhz because its the most popular ram

plus im p suree jedec is 4800 is it not

so i can just just get the tighter timings on the 5600 kit and xmp to 6000 if i wanted to right

[lusty orchid]

not always, considering under expo/xmp for 7000 series amd, 6000mhz cl30 is the most ideal ram speed and latency

[lusty orchid]

not just 4800, there is jedec spec profiles up to 7200 mhz

[spare sedge]

see thats not from what ive seen

if we can pull some sources that show that

ive seen the exact opposite consistently placing ddr5 6000 at #3

behind ddr5 6400 (unstable fear)
and ddr5 5600

[lusty orchid]

according to who?

[spare sedge]

apparently 6400 is just fine tho

[lusty orchid]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-confirms-ddr5-6000-ram-is-the-sweet-spot-for-ryzen-7000-cpus

[spare sedge]

i dont have the sources compiled but my main source for ram was ltt

[lusty orchid]

please no, after what they've done lately with tests, just no

[pearl heath]

2580 doesn't exist

[spare sedge]

are you talking about the drama with gamer nexus

[pearl heath]

It is not a form factor

[spare sedge]

i never watched those videos

maybe i should

[pearl heath]

Baaaarely

Only a few CPUs will actually run them at that speed

[spare sedge]

well i decided on 5600 over 6400 anyway

[lusty orchid]

less about the drama, more about improper testing,

[spare sedge]

improper testing how

[pearl heath]

5600 c28 will be perfectly fine with an X3D CPU

Especially considering X3D means that it doesn't care much about RAM at all

[spare sedge]

yeah the 3d vcache is kind of huge

[lusty orchid]

https://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-ryzen-7000-ddr5-6000-memory-sweet-spot-auto-fclk-recommended-for-overclocking/

[spare sedge]

like big in terms of cache

not huge as in a game changer

[lusty orchid]

tbf it is a game changer

[spare sedge]

i think in the future it will be. i like the new tech

[lusty orchid]

it proved it by making gaming experience better

[spare sedge]

rn i think its mostly a gimmick and that the 13900ks is probably more powerful in the end

[pearl heath]

It isn't

In applications that use the cache, any X3D CPU is better

And it's not even a competition lol

[lusty orchid]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/5 reasonable write up in regards to expo btw

[spare sedge]

unfortunately, ive had dozens of people say the opposite when i was really excited about the 3d vcache

[pearl heath]

(fwiw you can gain performance with DDR5-8000 on select Ryzen CPUs due to some architectural nonsense)

[pearl heath]

They are simply all wrong lol

[lusty orchid]

who is this so called dozen?

[pearl heath]

But you will need to manually tune the RAM and CPU to do this so uh
Don't bother

[lusty orchid]

you know you keep mentioning dozens of people every time but it's usually about something wrong

[sour kite]

People still say to avoid x3d chips because of the mobo frying issue, but it's largely old news now

[spare sedge]

i will say the proper comparison is 7950x3d vs the 13900ks. i really do think those are the top 2 best cpus for amd and intel. i went with 7950x3d for a reason.

[lusty orchid]

tbf that's more chipset avoiding rather than cpu avoiding

[spare sedge]

a lot of people were comparing the 7950x3d with the 13900k but the 13900ks is just the 13900k but better.

where price isnt a factor

[pearl heath]

The soon-to-be-renamed 13900ks lol

[sour kite]

7950x3d is much much better for gaming because of the big ass cache

[spare sedge]

both are overpriced splurge options for sure. but the 7950x3d isnt as overpriced as the insane 13900ks

[lusty orchid]

might the top 2 consumer releases, but not best

threadripper with x3d cache exists i believe

but that's just going over the top in general

[spare sedge]

and im honestly happy with spending a little bit extra on the 7950x3d instead of the 7950x which is technically a smarter price / perf buy.

[spare sedge]

yeah it is.

[sour kite]

what GPU are you going to pair it with btw?

[lusty orchid]

a tuned 7900 actually is a more smarter price to perf buy

[spare sedge]

the 13900ks and 13900k are workstation leading cpus

[lusty orchid]

considering it runs cooler and has a lower power draw

[sour kite]

depends on the workload x

[spare sedge]

the 7950x3d is definitely one of the best for gaming with considerable performance in productivity behind the 7950x.

[sour kite]

on my workstation I've got an i7 11700 just because I run alot of VMs

[spare sedge]

yeah that too. ig i meant overall imo

[sour kite]

I haven't upgraded yet as AFAIK ecores don't play well with VM

[lusty orchid]

i've seen that rival a 12900k in comparison for power draw

[sour kite]

I think it's thermal throttling most of the time tbf, I want to make upgrades to it

[spare sedge]

that would make sense too if you didnt want ultra high end

[sour kite]

but it's company pc not my own

[spare sedge]

still definitely a great cpu

[sour kite]

how are you going to cool these components btw

[spare sedge]

is it getting renamed?

[pearl heath]

Yeah, to the 14900ks lmao

[spare sedge]

lmao did it get confirmed

thats crazy

[lusty orchid]

@spare sedge you may laugh but all 14th gen intel is, is a 13th gen refresh

[pearl heath]

Considering the 14900ks has no architectural changes, no core count changes, and only a 200MHz clock bump, it is very safe to assume that they're the same CPU

[spare sedge]

that makes sense

damn so then is 14th gen gonna a shitty release lol

[lusty orchid]

what's the bets on them pulling what they did with 10/14nm again ?

[pearl heath]

Yes

[lusty orchid]

thought intel would have learnt by now with what amd did to them

[sour kite]

isn't intel reusing the 1700 lga for 14th gen?

[lusty orchid]

yes

[spare sedge]

so why do manufacturers name m.2s weird funny names like blazing and hyper

[sour kite]

wild

[lusty orchid]

and it's no node changes

[spare sedge]

i see it often

[lusty orchid]

because sales gimmick

[spare sedge]

also i thought m.2s used slots not sockets. so whats socket 3 or socket 2 etc

[spare sedge]

thats so dumb. so it literally means nothing and i shouldnt compare their blazing m.2 to gigabytes blazing m.2 or anything like that then?

[lusty orchid]

the blazing one is a pcie 4.0 x4, while the hyper one is pcie 3.0 x4

[spare sedge]

i thought it said blazing 5x4 and hyper 4x4

is it named based off the pcie gens lmao

[lusty orchid]

i wouldn't bother with a gigabyte product, unless you want to experience the most shittiest customer support that blames you for their products failing, especially with their known qc issues

[pearl heath]

Marketing

[pearl heath]

Probably?

[lusty orchid]

slot/socket is interchangable

[spare sedge]

cause i tried looking up m.2 socket numbers and nothing came up

[pearl heath]

Marketing will do whatever they feel like to advertise a product

[lusty orchid]

you need to look at the manual itself

[spare sedge]

i did

[lusty orchid]

yeah, gigabyte website front end, gonna be all marketing

[spare sedge]

i just thought
1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3) was weird

it implies the existence of socket 1 and socket 2

[lusty orchid]

it is,

[spare sedge]

but the other m.2 is also socket 3

and its just like what

[pearl heath]

Marketing has no standards

And I mean that in every meaning of the word

[spare sedge]

they literally just make shit up lmao

[lusty orchid]

lets be honest, gigabyte has no standards in general

[pearl heath]

Well, yeah

[lusty orchid]

they've proven not to lately

[spare sedge]

ive heard horrible things about gigabyte

[lusty orchid]

you do realise 90% of marketing is making shit up

[spare sedge]

but all the girlies get gigabyte

[lusty orchid]

nope they don't, that's a horrible generalisation

[spare sedge]

the marketing would catch my eye more if it just said 1x m.2 nvme ssd PCIe 4.0x4

no need for anything else

[lusty orchid]

asus, asrock, msi do that

[spare sedge]

the sizes too ofc

also i know that when a m.2 says 2280 / 22110 that means you can plug in EITHER a 2280 OR a 22110 into the slot

but my question is how come some m.2s say 2280 ONLY

[lusty orchid]

because that's the max it supports up to, or it's only got a standoff at the length for 2280 only

[spare sedge]

how can it be 2280 only. that would literally mean you can plug in the smaller 2260, 2242 and 2230 slots too

[spare sedge]

OHHH the standoff

[lusty orchid]

if it's got the screwdowns for the standoff to go for them yes

[spare sedge]

so theres space for any size but with out the screw down in the right place you cant screw down the smaller sizes

OKAY cool perfect!

[lusty orchid]

you got to remember allowances for the m.2 drives, normally nvme's is mainly made by standoff position

[spare sedge]

also my next question is this

so when it says x4 / x2 that means it supports both x4 and x2 lanes

but like

5x2 doesnt even exist for m.2 yet

[lusty orchid]

if you look at this, you will see it only has 2 standoff locations

so it can only use either a 2280 or 22110

manual for that gigabyte mobo btw

[spare sedge]

yep i see the 110 and the 80 standoff perfectly for both

ty

[lusty orchid]

there are some that have more, and some that just have a single standoff location

[spare sedge]

only diff is one is gen4

[lusty orchid]

which will be the bottom one

[spare sedge]

so when you plug in bigger it just lays on top of the shorter standoff then

[lusty orchid]

as the first pcie x16 slot and first m.2 slot/socket is linked to the cpu

[lusty orchid]

nope

[spare sedge]

oh what happens to the other stand off when you plus a longer m.2 into the slot

[lusty orchid]

the standoff unscrews so you can move it the the right position for the ssd

[spare sedge]

i saw that, which means i should probably mark that as well

since cpu is better

but im not sure why

cause i thought chipsets have more lanes than cpus

[lusty orchid]

in the case of the 22110 as the screw for the heatshield that covers them lines up with with it, it just directly uses that to mount it down

[spare sedge]

oh so you just take it off the board completely

so its not in the way of the longer m.2

[lusty orchid]

and doesn't damage the nand flash if it's double sided

[pearl heath]

It'll de-rate to x2 if there aren't enough PCIe 5.0 lanes available

[spare sedge]

ik the nand is where the actually storage is

and flash uses cells right

and all the tlc qlc stuff is in the nand

[lusty orchid]

yes but the nand's location on the pcb for a ssd can be on one side or both of it

[spare sedge]

is x2 worse? cause ik m.2 5x2s are coming out and people want them because they use less lanes

[lusty orchid]

i.e a 4tb nvme ssd could be single sided under one brand but double sided under another

[lusty orchid]

it's slower but not necessarily worse

[spare sedge]

what is the sweet spot for lane use. more lanes = a more powerful m.2 ssd or usb anything etc but it also means using more of your cpu or chipset.

[lusty orchid]

totally depends on what needs the pcie lanes

a usb expansion card can run off an x1 slot

so it only needed 1 lane

[spare sedge]

so if you can get the same gen 5 speeds out of a lower lane count. go for that instead

[pearl heath]

It's a question of bandwidth
5.0 x2 = 4.0 x4
So it won't be limiting anything currently lol

[spare sedge]

cause its the same performance but uses less bandwidth

[pearl heath]

You cannot select how many lanes something will use, other than by buying a device that uses that many lanes

[lusty orchid]

but a sata expansion card depending on use case could run off a pcie x1/x2/x4/x8/x16 depends on use case and amount of ports it's expanding out to

[spare sedge]

are cpu lanes faster than chipset lanes

and what determines lane speed

[rotund rain]

the cpu lanes still adhere to the PCI express standard, and it's up to the specific motherboard but in general, for the x670/x670E and z690/790 boards the top PCIe x16 slot is gen 5 and the top M.2 slot is usually gen 5, some cheaper boards might only be gen 4 and AM4 boards can either be gen 3 or 4

[pearl heath]

Yes

A device connected to a chipset lane still needs to talk to the CPU

It just goes via the chipset instead of directly to the CPU

Which is why it is slower

[spare sedge]

so my overall conclusion for that is that. the lanes themselves arent faster.

its that the cpu is literally a whole cpu and a chipset is just the motherboards brains and the chipset isnt a full on processor so the chipset still has to go through the cpu basically

so chipset lanes are like a 2 step thing

cpus are direct

[rotund rain]

the speed is the same, but the latency is slightly worse because the chipset acts as a middleman

[spare sedge]

alr im on board with it all ty

alright a new question

what does mode mean

is it the 128 gb mode

or is 128 Gb/s the speed that gen 5x4 goes

[vast geyser]

nah it doesnt go that high

there seems to be an asterisk

maybe its explained somewhere below?

[pearl heath]

Gb, not GB

Mode just refers to the PCIe generation and lane configuration

[rotund rain]

That is the theoretical bandwidth of the transfer speeds that the PCIe lanes can do.
Keep in mind the difference between GB and Gb (very important)
Realistically, the highest you'll see is about 10-15% slower than the limit once the technology has matured

At this point, we really just need bigger SSDs, them being faster really hasn't done much for us so far

[orchid gate]

I don’t think PCIe 6.0 is intended for ordinary consumers

nor mentioned much in regular press

[rotund rain]

nah not yet

[open iris]

Ordinary consumers don't need more than gen 3 really

[rotund rain]

the irony is that the high end sata drives are still really good

[open iris]

Slower than medicore pcie gen 2 ssds

[pearl heath]

The only devices that use it are still being prototyped, or are in extremely specialised and limited use atm

[limber hatch]

i jus copy and pasted the top btw!

[lusty orchid]

Gb = gigabit, not GB as in gigabyte

[haughty quail]

yep i ws wrong

[lusty orchid]

though it's not worth it both in price and nand flash type to go above 4tb

[rotund rain]

well not now, but that's my point.... more effort should be put into increasing the of storage and not how fast it can go

[lusty orchid]

even now it's the case

you can get a 4tb nvme drive for 160 minimum, and that would be a tlc nand drive

an 8tb drive would set you back 350 minimum and that's a qlc nand drive

[brave brook]

Sabrents 8tb is $1000

[lusty orchid]

team group mp44 8tb, $930

[brave brook]

Yeah, the 8tb one is useless for this build ngl

[brave brook]

….sata m.2 🤮

[vast geyser]

then you realize thats the price of a 4tb drive that does the exact same thing

[lusty orchid]

never in your life, ever touch this website ever again
something to never do either

[rotund rain]

none of those are M.2 sata

[lusty orchid]

wanna bet?

[brave brook]

What in the hell are those pictures then

Cause it sure ain’t nvme

[vast geyser]

the image is just wrong

[lusty orchid]

sata

[vast geyser]

the drives themselves arent sata

[vast geyser]

2.5, not m.2

[rotund rain]

yess SATA. Not M.2. Those are 2.5 inch

[pure mica]

Lol they are right those are not m.2

[lusty orchid]

still sata was used amongst it, and the fact it's userbenchmark

that alone tells you it's not trustworthy

[brave brook]

Aw hell nah, that’s userbenchmark???

[vast geyser]

yeah

[pure mica]

💀🔫

[brave brook]

Fuck userbenchmark

[brave brook]

Why can’t she just get the mp33/mp34 like I was asking her to :/

[rotund rain]

really the only thing that doesn't belong is the Kingston A400, the rest are fine due to their history

[lusty orchid]

because they want to overspend on a system i severly doubt they'll see half the performance of

[vast geyser]

$1000 on ssds is batshit crazy though

[lusty orchid]

a $1k budget just for storage alone just shows more money than brains at this point

[pure mica]

Well i spent that on 4 m.2 nvme me

[vast geyser]

ok

[pure mica]

Nothing wrong with that

[lusty orchid]

let me guess, all samsung drives

[vast geyser]

plenty of stuff wrong with that

[vast geyser]

990 pro

[pure mica]

Ye

[brave brook]

Ok? Doesn’t mean it’s needed, much less worth it

Stupid

[lusty orchid]

totally wrong if it's gaming where you see no performance benefits for OS let alone GAMING

[pure mica]

My system isn’t just for gaming tought me

[lusty orchid]

gen 4 and gen 5 drives are only worth it for production based video editing tbh

[pure mica]

I do 3d rendering of big projects

Architecture stuff

[brave brook]

Gen 3 for this pc (I wish)

[vast geyser]

eh, fast storage doesnt really help

[pure mica]

For video editing after yes it do

[vast geyser]

i can only imagine the videos being 30 seconds long

[pure mica]

Sometime it 2 or 3 min long and can be more if it a big building

[lusty orchid]

and anyone says about direct storage, for gaming means they know nothing tbh, as it really doesn't help as much as people think

[brave brook]

And there’s like 2 games that support it (are there more? I don’t know for sure)

[pure mica]

Let them belive…

[haughty quail]

Good morning thread, what's the update

[lusty orchid]

ratchet and clank supports it but ends up with horribly reduced performance with it

[brave brook]

Oh dang

[pure mica]

I just wake up too i didn’t found enything interesting

[haughty quail]

Dayum 😢

[pure mica]

This build wont be done in 1 months so ye we have all the time at this point

[brave brook]

Let’s not derail the thread tho

[lusty orchid]

this i can understand, the software for the rendering can be demanding, but you also see my point about it, and tbh, you could of paid way less for some mp44's or sn770's tbh for the same speeds

[pure mica]

The dude wanna learn about everything including small part on a pc

💀

[brave brook]

Yeah

[pure mica]

Usb was a pain

[brave brook]

So is this

Storage….

[pure mica]

Ye

We can only wonder what will be the next pain

[brave brook]

Paus

[lusty orchid]

we're not dropping to EE level

[brave brook]

The next component 🥹

[lusty orchid]

hopefully mobo's as without that there will never be a working pc

[pure mica]

I want to learn everything how a psu work

[lusty orchid]

just no

[pure mica]

It will be her not me

[brave brook]

I will not answer those questions

[pure mica]

[brave brook]

I’ll just spam the tier list (not really)

[pure mica]

Yes yes do that

[lusty orchid]

i will not be able to answer them, tbh, as that reaches EE levels

i only lightly touched on it when telling her the difference between an inverter and converter

[brave brook]

We’ll all just tell her “it’s 1: out of our knowledge. 2: entirely useless for you”

[pure mica]

She wont lessens to 2

[brave brook]

Well she won’t get answers here anyway

[pure mica]

Lol

[rotund rain]

it all depends on the question

[brave brook]

I’m not answering random ass questions to power supplies

[pure mica]

[brave brook]

I would be doing what we’ve been asking her to — googling it

[lusty orchid]

or referencing the cultist and tomshardware websites

[brave brook]

Idk how she can’t find things when searching

[pure mica]

Fun fact cause she don’t search by her self

[brave brook]

?

[pure mica]

That why she don’t found it she don’t search the info in the first place

[brave brook]

Bruh

She said she’s been googling

[pure mica]

Sometimes i don’t believe that

[brave brook]

If this is true

[pure mica]

Probably she just don’t search "correctly" i guess

[brave brook]

Yeah

Google searching isn’t always intuitive, but bing ai exists, and it’s not hard to figure out google keywords

[pure mica]

Ye

[open iris]

at least learning about usb is somewhat useful and easy to explain

[brave brook]

But it had to be explained 2 too many times

[open iris]

trying to learn the ins and outs of power supplies is too much

[pure mica]

Fact too much

[open iris]

and frankly most people dont even know

[brave brook]

Yeah

[open iris]

the extent of my psu knowledge is the rating is the efficiency and look at the tierlist if you don't want a bomb

[pure mica]

I just got platinum and call it a day… (msi meg ai1000p) just did small research to make sure it good before

[open iris]

and with an atx 3.0 psu you dont need a 12vhp adapter

[pure mica]

Ye that why i bought that

Size i got a 4090

[vast geyser]

wow really?

[pure mica]

Ye…

The over expensive one💀

[brave brook]

Story of your pc

[pure mica]

Lol

But it look nice…

Money wasn’t my concern

[lusty orchid]

thing is, if you don't look things up with the help of the tier list, you can get a platinum efficiency psu that's a bomb instead

[pure mica]

Ye that why i looked too

[lusty orchid]

you got lucky going with the msi psu, but still

[pure mica]

I were lucky cause i look at more then 1 places to make sure it good

So it not really luck

[lusty orchid]

the luck is more you choosing a decent one straight away

[open iris]

Imagine a world where most psus weren't ass and that tierlist wasn't the only line of defense which most buyers don't know about

[pure mica]

At last i knowed about it lol

[lusty orchid]

so one where gigabyte p750gm/850gm doesn't explode or arived DoA?

[open iris]

p750gm made for funny memes though I'll forgive it's explosive nature

[pure mica]

I would by one as deco just for the meme of it

Joke joke

[lusty orchid]

you got to remember, under gigabytes customer service, it's your fault for it being explosive, not gigabyte

[pure mica]

It was dumb

[brave brook]

How does that work

[lusty orchid]

it's gigabytes customer supports own attitude on products they've sold that have shown to be faulty from the get go

they're one of the worse for customer support

[brave brook]

Oooof

[rotund rain]

Source?

[lusty orchid]

gamer nexus for one, others who's had products from them that they refused rma's due to basic faults

i.e. 3080 waterforce "all copper" heatsink which had galvanic corrosion due to them using aluminium and copper mixed in the the waterblock's design

next to nzxt, they're known for really bad customer services

nzxt is more due to the forced recall that was made of them for the h1 v1 case that caught on fire

[lavish nexus]

Tbh if retailers just followed the tier list and listed accordingly everyone would be save from exploding PSUs but alas that is not the case

Or just simply posted links to the Cybenetics pdf for that specific PSU

[spare sedge]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1146514029246955691

[spare sedge]

this literally just makes it take longer

[spare sedge]

none of you even understand usb lmao

[spare sedge]

this will happen btw

[brave brook]

Not from us

You’ll look it up yourself

No one knows or cares

[vast geyser]

eh, random probably knows a fair bit, but who the hell feels like explaining power supplies

[brave brook]

Yeah

[vast geyser]

plenty of online resources anyway

[brave brook]

As rauko said, it’s getting into the EE portion, that is much too in-depth for this thread

[brave brook]

No offense, but neither did you

[brave brook]

Why can’t you be convinced that you don’t need to learn every fucking thing about every component. Basically no one here gives a shit about how power supplies work, and if they do, they’ll look it up on their own time.

[vale prairie]

This 👆

[lusty orchid]

you wanna be sure about that

[lusty orchid]

and this means what?

other than the persons wanting to blow money

[vast geyser]

his house burned down, he got a fat check

[lusty orchid]

and if they do, they’ll look it up on their own time.
this so much this in many ways

[lusty orchid]

til you see what arezgames did, when they released a fake 'gold' efficiency psu to the public by having a single psu being rated for it by cybenetics

[novel pulsar]

we

[thin wasp]

Good think i only have 4 nvme drives worth 1000 each

[haughty quail]

Bro linked a GIF

[haughty quail]

REAL

[vast geyser]

na its a thread

[haughty quail]

She linked a GIF in the thread

[vale prairie]

No she didn’t

That was probably just the most recent message

[vast geyser]

ye

[haughty quail]

Oh fr??

Might be my account then. I keep refreshing and it still just goes back to the GIF 💀

[violet fog]

ur still here wtf

how does it take you like 2 decades to pick a pc

by the time ur finished the 5090 is gonna be out

[brave brook]

Nah not that long

[teal pond]

She isn’t only picking parts, she is learning about them

[lusty orchid]

the only things that's been selected so far is ram, cpu and gpu

been 2 days on storage without any choices made

[haughty quail]

It might genuinely be 2 decades at this point

[lusty orchid]

and no mobo has been selected yet

[teal pond]

she needs to choose the mobo before storage imo

[lusty orchid]

did you not see me saying that, and the order selection i said?

[spare sedge]

i do now. so it doesnt matter.

[haughty quail]

I honestly think at minimum, case should have been first but I agree that mobo comes before storage

[teal pond]

No I didn’t, I miss tons of messages

sorry

[haughty quail]

No, don't apologize there's like 18k lol you wouldn't have known

[spare sedge]

p sure rauko knows a lot about electricity.

[teal pond]

yeah dream you should find a case, it will narrow down the mobo

[spare sedge]

what about my fat check lmao

[haughty quail]

He knows, prob just CBA

[lusty orchid]

enough to do what i want to do, anything more i'll look up what i need

[haughty quail]

Burn your house down first 🙏

[lusty orchid]

arson doesn't get you that

[teal pond]

It was an accident with proof

[haughty quail]

Dumb questions get dumb answers in fairness

[haughty quail]

Yeah. So unfortunate what happened to the house and setup

[lusty orchid]

but it does get you a 6x6 room with 3 meals a day

[haughty quail]

LMAO

And a lot of roommates I guess

[haughty quail]

Yeah, case should have been first before all else imo

[teal pond]

the cpu and gpu can be before the case because of the gpu size though

[vast geyser]

never drop the soap

[haughty quail]

I guess so. I honestly think case first then PSU and go into the other parts next

But I can understand where you're coming from

[lusty orchid]

also i'd rather deal with a 12v-24v system than a 120-240v system

[teal pond]

yeah psu is another factor

[haughty quail]

Storage honestly should be last on the list

[haughty quail]

GPU can be last imo before CPU

But if you want to purchase both together, I guess it doesn't matter

[teal pond]

you need to match the cpu and gpu so you don’t wasnt money

[haughty quail]

I agree with you

[lusty orchid]

tbh, it gives you an idea of what to match up with it for everything else

[haughty quail]

I think in order: case, PSU, all the other stuff to buy at once (GPU, CPU, motherboard, etc.), and then storage can be last

[lusty orchid]

@haughty quail@teal pond

[haughty quail]

May I ask why in reverse order?

Is this specific to the van situation or building in general

[teal pond]

unless you hear of a specific gpu or case you want before you think of anything else

[lusty orchid]

in general

[haughty quail]

I can understand the parts, but I am not understanding why PSU and case should wait as well

[lusty orchid]

if you don't decide on the cpu, you can't decide on the mobo

[teal pond]

so you don’t get an unnecessary psu

[haughty quail]

Icic

[teal pond]

if your getting a 4090 you don’t want a 600 watt cpu

[lusty orchid]

as for the psu, that you decide based on the power draw of everything in the build + 100w on top

[vast geyser]

you wanna know the wattage needed before you pick the psu

[haughty quail]

Icic

Thank you for clarifying 🙏

[lusty orchid]

with a little headroom**

100w headroom always ideal

[vast geyser]

well, thats still knowing the wattage

[lusty orchid]

true, fair enough

[haughty quail]

I guess it is fine for case to be last or second to last, what matters is functionality of the parts. I'm sure most will fit into the case anyway with proper research

[teal pond]

some people build without cases to perform tests

[haughty quail]

Very true

[vast geyser]

pcpp does the compatibility

[lusty orchid]

case is always decided upon once you know you got everything else tbh, it's also a subjective thing

[haughty quail]

Case can always be negotiated, so I see your point

[lusty orchid]

i know dream wants it to be pink but tbh that's very limiting unless you get a decent case and spray paint it after

[teal pond]

I would do that tbh

[haughty quail]

Seems like the most reasonable option

[teal pond]

spray painting isnt that hard

[lusty orchid]

the choices for cases that are already pink aren't great tbh

[haughty quail]

There aren't that many though, right?

[vast geyser]

like the 205m...

[teal pond]

Nope

[haughty quail]

I see a lot of white cases that could go well with pink

[vast geyser]

and uhh.. pop air, but thats more magenta

[lusty orchid]

4-5 in total

[haughty quail]

But I don't really see much for pink cases

[haughty quail]

Yeah, I figured

😢

All else fails, white case looks good too

[lusty orchid]

best way is a black or white depending on what shade of pink they're going for

[haughty quail]

White case, setup lights pink

[vast geyser]

i feel like an o11 mini spraypainted will be the best way go about it

[haughty quail]

I think it would look fine or put together

[lusty orchid]

i.e baby pink/candy pink you'd spray over a white case

[vast geyser]

i mean, there are pink fans

[haughty quail]

Exactly 💯

White wouldn't be a bad case option either. I think white/pink combo looks nice

[lusty orchid]

avoid a glass sided case as it's going to end up in a van

[lusty orchid]

aye, idcooling pinkflows

[haughty quail]

Doesn't look bad imo

[vast geyser]

i remember akira talking bout them

[haughty quail]

But if she really wants pink then she can do spray paint

[vast geyser]

cant be that bad to have 1 glass panel

[lusty orchid]

in white frame with solid pink blades/ white fram transparent blades that can be set to pink

[haughty quail]

1000% agree

[lusty orchid]

you'd have to make sure it's protected against vibrations/ shock dampening tbh

mesh sides would be the more optimal

[vast geyser]

meshroom s

[lusty orchid]

and we both know a couple cases that work well as mesh sides while allowing light through

[vast geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c2gFf7/ssupd-meshroom-s-wpcie-40-riser-atx-mini-tower-case-41860124115128 doesnt get meshier than this!

[vast geyser]

i can unironically only think of sfx ones
OR APPARENTLY THE NORTH?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sHYmP6/fractal-design-north-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-nor1c-01 hUUUH

[teal pond]

I’m getting a lancool iii

[lusty orchid]

both solid choices in themself

but there is also the asus one

[vast geyser]

MY MAN

ap201?

[lusty orchid]

yup

meshed all around

darkflash also mesh

[teal pond]

the ap201 is a bad case though, right?

[vast geyser]

i mean, define a bad case..

does it hold components? yeah

[teal pond]

annoying to work with

[lusty orchid]

nope it's actually a decent one for small form factor

[lusty orchid]

well, itx case

[teal pond]

yea I guess so