♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[pearl heath]

There is no bus driver

[spare sedge]

do some not have a bus driver

thats odd

[pearl heath]

There are no bus drivers

[spare sedge]

driver >> bus

the driver is usually split into more parts

the bus driver is the driver for the bus and the device driver is the driver for the device

like foreign language translators

[pearl heath]

The bus does not need a driver, the device's drivers already does that

[spare sedge]

damn yeah thats not how i learned it

/ read about it

[forest totem]

must resist urge to make public transit joke.
Seriously though, no bus "driver" necessary - low-level device drivers and the OS kernel work together to speak to the hardware. (Oversimplification.)

[spare sedge]

i made that joke earlier in this thread lmao

idk this article online was talking about bus drivers

and its not the bus

bus driver do not equal bus

oh so sas is serial attachment scsi

and sas is industrial sata

no wonder same gen sas is just faster than sata. sas goes 3/6/12 gbps

is higher rpm on a hdd better?

[vast geyser]

yeah

its faster

[spare sedge]

so a faster rpm hdd is literally a faster hdd overall

[lusty orchid]

total recall moments

[lusty orchid]

yes/no

[spare sedge]

explain

[spare sedge]

and then sata is goes 1.5/3/6 so the scaling is 50% of sas

[lusty orchid]

it depends on what type of hdd it is that is going to be used

you can have a slower RPM hdd that can out perform a faster RPM hdd due to how it records data

but again in your case this is still all nonsequential info

[spare sedge]

so does this mean the m.2 storage device uses pcie gen 2???

[vast geyser]

yeah

those ones, yeah

[lusty orchid]

pcie gen 2

[spare sedge]

and these ones have 4 lanes

[vast geyser]

yup

[spare sedge]

so that means they are ass

[vast geyser]

yup

old

pcie 4 nvme ssds are pretty cheap now

[lusty orchid]

not nescasserily

[vast geyser]

comparatively to new ssds, theyre pretty ass

[spare sedge]

then these ones are just the same thing but gen 3 pcie. is the gen more important than the number of lanes??

[lusty orchid]

a gen 2 speed is no faster than a gen 3 nvme drive doing x2

1,500MB/s

[vast geyser]

theyre the same amount of importance

[spare sedge]

so like is a pcie 3x2 better than a pcie 2x4??

[lusty orchid]

nope, it be the same

1,500MB/s

[spare sedge]

gotcha so if it is close a high lane count lower gen pcie could be on par or even maybe beat out a higher gen pcie with lower / much lower lane count

[lusty orchid]

pcie 3.0 x4 on the otherhand will do at most 3,600MB/s

[spare sedge]

how do you calculate mbps

[lusty orchid]

pcie 4.0 x4 will do up to 7,000MB/s

[lusty orchid]

MB/s, not mbps

[vast geyser]

wait, doesnt the 990 pro go higher than 7000

[lusty orchid]

it's suppose to, doesn't mean you'll see that speed

[vast geyser]

well, 8000MB/s instead of 7000MB/s

[lusty orchid]

pcie 5.0 x4 = 15,000MB/s

[vast geyser]

somethings wrong in the calculations there rauko

[pure mica]

Ye i got it

[vast geyser]

cause 7000 * 2 is 14000

[spare sedge]

finally got to gen 4

[vast geyser]

lol what, the hynix P41 is better than 990 pro?

in crystaldiskmark at least

[lusty orchid]

look at the gen 5 drives dude, the max they do is 15,000

[vast geyser]

sn850x is a crazy good deal rn

[pure mica]

Gen 5 is pretty usless

[spare sedge]

it looks like there is only one 4x8 m.2

but most of them are 4x4

[pearl heath]

x8 M.2 SSDs should not exist

[spare sedge]

and then then gen 5

[lusty orchid]

sn570 (nvme x4) sn500 (nvme x2) both pcie 3.0

[pure mica]

Gen 5 not worth it

[vast geyser]

i dont think its 7000mb/s max

[pearl heath]

Calling it 4x4 is really weird lol

[spare sedge]

heres gen 5

[spare sedge]

its just like usb

[pearl heath]

Wow look at that price for garbage that you wont ever utilise fully

[pure mica]

Like i said they dont worth it for there price

[pearl heath]

PCIe Gen 4 x4 would be better, clearly separates the generation and the lane count

[pure mica]

Like i said already lol

[vast geyser]

yeah...

[lusty orchid]

tbf they should but those are for ones that connect straight on a pcie slot directly

[spare sedge]

it looks like a m.2 with pcie 5x4 is the best one

[pearl heath]

I entirely forgot that that's an option lol

[vast geyser]

you were 1gb/s off rauko

[lusty orchid]

there's alread pcie 7.0 also

[spare sedge]

i thought pcie gen 6 didnt exist

[vast geyser]

the thign was made in 2020

[pearl heath]

They overheat quickly, and their random IOPS tend to be about the same as PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs
That is to say, unless you're moving 1 huge file very often, you will not actually see a performance improvement, you may actually see worse performance from the Gen 5 devices

[spare sedge]

what lmao

[vast geyser]

for consumers? no

[pearl heath]

PCIe Gen 7.0's specification is already being written out

[vast geyser]

we went over this already

its pretty much always *2, so its easy to guess

[pearl heath]

PCIe Gen 6.0 is already undergoing testing

[spare sedge]

i remember now

so gen 6 is enterprise / industrial and gen 7 is in development?

[lusty orchid]

fair enough, though with ssd's doesn't mean it'll reach max speeds of said lane amount

[pearl heath]

Gen 6 does not exist to purchase anywhere

Gen 6 devices are limited to prototypes and testing hardware only

[spare sedge]

yeah but it is enterprise

[pearl heath]

What?

[lusty orchid]

if you're lucky it would be server/workstation only

[spare sedge]

like industrial not available to consumers

[lusty orchid]

for now

[spare sedge]

like xeons or epyc ig.

[vast geyser]

nah those r gen 5

[lusty orchid]

alot of optane drives tbf are direct to pcie slot

[spare sedge]

gen 5 is available tho

its on pcpp

[pearl heath]

There a difference between 'not available to consumers' and 'server hardware'

[pure mica]

Xeons… my friend have one in his home pc you can buy those lol

[vast geyser]

yes

[vast geyser]

unless you have a really deep pocket, you cant buy the new ones

[lusty orchid]

older xeons maybe, but much newer ones that cost a couple $1000's, no

[pure mica]

Ye but he dont care about price so

[vast geyser]

a couple is an underestimation

[spare sedge]

are these the m.2 sata that you were talking about woopy?

[lusty orchid]

well wasn't trying to scare him with the prices the likes an epyc cpu would cost

[spare sedge]

they are m.2 but they use the sata connector

[vast geyser]

yep

[pearl heath]

You are aware of the filters on the left side of the page, right?

[pearl heath]

SATA protocol, not connector

[spare sedge]

no these ones are the connector too

[lusty orchid]

for the better part yes, there is also the sa510 for example which is a m.2 drive that uses sata protocol

[spare sedge]

its a weird m.2 that people dont seem to use

[pearl heath]

There is no "M.2 SATA" connector lol

[lusty orchid]

nope, protocol only they're m.2 form factor

[spare sedge]

thats not what it says tho

[lusty orchid]

that is what it says

form factor and size

protocol

[spare sedge]

thats interface

[pearl heath]

Another word for interface is connector

[spare sedge]

yeah

[lusty orchid]

if it said this, it would be an nvme drive

[spare sedge]

nvme is the protocol

m.2 is the connector

[lusty orchid]

covered under this

[spare sedge]

pcie is just there because it is a pcie connector. but its a special pcie connector for m.2

[lusty orchid]

m.2 2280 = m.2 drive. 22mm wide, 80mm long

[spare sedge]

thats just the form factor

[spare sedge]

i already know this

[lusty orchid]

which is also the connector

[spare sedge]

okay so is the fucking form factor the connector or is the interface the connector lmao

[pure mica]

[spare sedge]

you guys are saying different things lmao

and if you think not. then read up

[lusty orchid]

on pcpp if it says this, it's refering it to being an nvme drive

as nvme's use pcie

[pearl heath]

PCIe protocol
Gen 4.0
x4 lanes

[pearl heath]

The "M.2" part is the connector

M.2 is the name of the connector

[spare sedge]

no m.2 uses msata. only msata uses msata.

and then all 2.5, or 3.5 in form factors are pata only. im guessing 44pin pata is newer than pata 100

[pearl heath]

For the love of god do not ever have PATA or mSATA in your head

[spare sedge]

okay so then

what are these

[pearl heath]

mSATA is only useful for older laptops

Those just plug into PCIe slots on your motherboard

[spare sedge]

so these arent real storage devices. these are more like storage cards?

[pearl heath]

They are storage devices

[spare sedge]

yeah but not ssd

[pearl heath]

They are SSDs

[spare sedge]

but they plug in under the graphics card?

[pearl heath]

Their connector is a PCIe x2 finger
They interface with the NVMe protocol

Just like any M.2 NVMe SSD

The only difference in the connector

[spare sedge]

so just for people who want to use up their pcie

[open iris]

Dream pcie slots aren't just for gpus you know this

[spare sedge]

idk what drram is

unless its that ecc memory

[open iris]

No i just misspelt your name

[spare sedge]

oh lmao

[spare sedge]

yeah ik

thats why im asking if it's a storage card

ik about other cards

i havent heard of these

and also why is the gen not listed wtf

[pearl heath]

Perhaps it would help if you knew what PCIe stood for

[spare sedge]

unless its gen 1

[spare sedge]

i already know

it doesnt help tho

[pearl heath]

Then you know that you can plug whatever device you want into a PCIe slot so long as it's configured to use it correctly, yeah?

[spare sedge]

i already know about pci too

[pearl heath]

Because, well, PCIe is a... peripheral component interconnect

[spare sedge]

thats not even where im confused

[pearl heath]

What is the confusing part?

[spare sedge]

maybe if we did one at a time

do you personally know why the gen isnt listed? is it because it is gen 1 or?

it just says PCIe x2/x4/x8/x16 which i already know are the lanes

[pearl heath]

Because it's so irrelevant and out of date that the manufacturer doesn't provide that information, and as such pcpartpicker cannot pick it up

It's most likely PCIe 3.0 since that would've been the common generation when SSDs started to get popular

[spare sedge]

so are these ssd like storage cards

they have some that go up to x16

and they look big

[pearl heath]

Get rid of the phrase 'storage cards'

They are simply SSDs, no more, so less

[spare sedge]

it looks like sas uses 2.5 and 3.5 in form factors too just like pata

[pearl heath]

Compare it with a SATA drive please, PATA is too ancient

[spare sedge]

yeah but they arent the same

and cards are what you plug into pcie expansion slots

[pearl heath]

And? SSD is a blanket term. It means Solid State Drive. It doesn't mean "M.2 NVMe Drive", it's just any drive that uses flash chips to store data

[lusty orchid]

there is m.2 that uses sata, so on pcpp it's written as m.2 sata

[spare sedge]

they got a card for basically everything

[pearl heath]

You could call those PCIe SSD Cards if you really wanted to

Like saying M.2 SSD, or SATA SSD

[spare sedge]

i mean yeah im trying to learn. im asking what they are.

[brave brook]

Those could have nvme and 2.5” added to them too

But most sata ssds are 2.5” and most m.2 ssds are nvme

[pearl heath]

Learning isn't asking about every possible detail and having the answers given to you, to be fair
Research is part of the process and we are not helping with that all that much

[pearl heath]

2.5" for SATA SSDs

[brave brook]

Mb yeah I meant that

Typo on my phone

[lusty orchid]

3.0 and 4.0 depending on the brand for the ones that are direct to pcie slot

[spare sedge]

oh yeah i just made it back to sata. it looks like sata comes in 2.5 and 3.5 in form factors

[pearl heath]

The ones featured in the pcpartpicker pic they posted were all old drives

[spare sedge]

whats the point of even having 2.5 and 3.5 in form factors

[brave brook]

Basically just 2.5”

[pearl heath]

Ever tried fitting a 3.5" drive in a laptop?

[brave brook]

3.5” has more physical space

[spare sedge]

so then the 2.5 in is always better because its more compact meaning its probably newer too

[spare sedge]

i have no idea what this even means lmao

[pearl heath]

No

[brave brook]

I only know of 1 3.5” ssd, thats $40k, and is 100tb

[spare sedge]

so 2.5 is newer then

[pearl heath]

No

[brave brook]

And that 3.5” ssd is like 4 years old

[lusty orchid]

requires the effort in googling each drive to figure it out tbh which pretty much most never want to do

[spare sedge]

is there a video i can watch lmao

[brave brook]

For what

[spare sedge]

i dont even know what to look up

[lusty orchid]

yes, but you ever tried fitting a 5.25" drive in a laptop ?

[spare sedge]

just explaining the form factors and interfaces

i thought i could do it on my own

but apparently not

lmao

[brave brook]

Have you tried to Google ‘m.2 vs 2.5” vs 3.5”’

[lusty orchid]

you are
A, overthinking
B. reading up on some stuff that you'll never need to be concerned with
C. confusing yourself in parts that you shouldn't

[spare sedge]

it looks like u.2 is only 2.5

[lusty orchid]

there's wanting info, and there's overburdening yourself with info in the wrong areas

[brave brook]

Fuck u.2

[spare sedge]

lemme just turn it off my bad

(obviously i cant turn it off)

[brave brook]

Stop talking about it, it’s data center only, and irrelevant for this pc

[spare sedge]

whats data center

[brave brook]

No

Look it up

Enterprise

[spare sedge]

still have no idea what you are talking about

[brave brook]

Click on some links boi

[vast geyser]

...

[spare sedge]

what does that have to do with anything

[brave brook]

Or read the right page thing

[brave brook]

I said u.2 is data center so stop talking about it

And you asked what data center is

[spare sedge]

oh i never asked about u.2 tho

i was just saying u.2 looks to be a 2.5 form factor only

made it to the end tho

[pearl heath]

What the fuck

[brave brook]

Yeah, and I said don’t worry about u.2, stop trying to figure anything out about it because it matters less than 0

[brave brook]

You…..why

[brave brook]

And I never said you did

[spare sedge]

most of it was just sata

[teal pond]

Dream a good ssd is the wd black sn850x

check it out

[vast geyser]

i said that befoer and no one noticed 💔

[brave brook]

whoopy says the wd black sn850x is a good ssd

:D

so is the teamgroup mp33. tlc nand, pcie gen 3, cheap

[teal pond]

the sn850x performs neck and neck to 990 pro at half cost

[vast geyser]

yeah sure its good, but like, does the price really matter atp

[brave brook]

lol fair

[vast geyser]

its really not that neck and neck

[brave brook]

but still a talking point

[vast geyser]

more so with a 980 pro rather than a 990 pro

[brave brook]

that still exists?

[vast geyser]

uh, yeah?

[teal pond]

it’s still a good option

[brave brook]

overpriced

[teal pond]

Yes

that is why sn850x better

because it’s performs better at nearsame price

[vast geyser]

2tb sn850x is $30 less than 2tb 980 pro

[spare sedge]

page 1 - 14 are m.2 ssds with different pcie gens and lanes.
page 14 - 16 is just m.2 ssds with m.2 sata (whatever that means)
page 16 - 18 is just msata ssds (still not sure what mini sata is)
page 18 has pata 44 pin hdds and ssd which ig pata 44 pin has both (meaning it is probably newer) and pata 100 hdds which all i know is that they are really old and ugly.
page 18 - 19 has PCIe SSD cards (that probably use gen 3 tba) with varying lanes.
page 19 - 21 is just sas hdds and ssds (which all ik is that they are enterprise sata and use scsi)
page 21 - 56 is literally ALL just sata ssds and hdds sshds / hybrid drives of varying speeds.
page 56 - 57 is just u.2 ssds which i hear are bascially enterprise only too.

[vast geyser]

...

[pearl heath]

ok cool but why did you spend your time doing that?

[vast geyser]

im pretty sure the pages with unbuyable stuff is just random

in the time you took to organize the pages for whatever reason, you could have picked out an entire build

[spare sedge]

so this means i can ignore these
page 1 - 14 are m.2 ssds with different pcie gens and lanes.
page 14 - 16 is just m.2 ssds with m.2 sata (whatever that means)
page 16 - 18 is just msata ssds (still not sure what mini sata is)
page 18 has pata 44 pin hdds and ssd which ig pata 44 pin has both (meaning it is probably newer) and pata 100 hdds which all i know is that they are really old and ugly.
page 18 - 19 has PCIe SSD cards (that probably use gen 3 tba) with varying lanes.
page 19 - 21 is just sas hdds and ssds (which all ik is that they are enterprise sata and use scsi)
page 21 - 56 is literally ALL just sata ssds and hdds sshds / hybrid drives of varying speeds.
page 56 - 57 is just u.2 ssds which i hear are bascially enterprise only too.

[vast geyser]

also msata ssds

and also m.2 sata

maybe pcie cards as well

[spare sedge]

pata cause its old and sas cause its enterprise and u.2 cause its enterprise

[vast geyser]

dont really see a point to those

[vast geyser]

and the stuff i mentioned above are useless

[spare sedge]

yeah i was thinking i can probably take ssd cards off

cause its only gen 3 too

[brave brook]

what ssd cards

[spare sedge]

pcie ssd cards

ssds that plug directly into your pcie slot

[brave brook]

they arent gen 3 only

[spare sedge]

do you know what gens they are creeper

is it gen 1 only

the gen isnt listed

[brave brook]

3 and 4 i think (for the ones you put nvme ssds into)

[vast geyser]

page 1 - 14 are m.2 ssds with different pcie gens and lanes.
page 14 - 16 is just m.2 ssds with m.2 sata (whatever that means)
page 16 - 18 is just msata ssds (still not sure what mini sata is)
page 18 has pata 44 pin hdds and ssd which ig pata 44 pin has both (meaning it is probably newer) and pata 100 hdds which all i know is that they are really old and ugly.
page 18 - 19 has PCIe SSD cards (that probably use gen 3 tba) with varying lanes.
page 19 - 21 is just sas hdds and ssds (which all ik is that they are enterprise sata and use scsi)
page 21 - 56 is literally ALL just sata ssds and hdds sshds / hybrid drives of varying speeds.
page 56 - 57 is just u.2 ssds which i hear are bascially enterprise only too

here, narrowed it down for you

[spare sedge]

or does the gen just use the motherboard's gen

lmao

[vast geyser]

worry about sata after you run out of m.2 slots

[spare sedge]

so those are really the best

[lusty orchid]

ignore all mSata's as well

[spare sedge]

can i come back to learn about all these after the build then

[brave brook]

ignore everything except nvme m.2

[lusty orchid]

yes as a read before you sleep kind of thing

[brave brook]

you can go back to google too

[open iris]

What are?

[lusty orchid]

90% of this is totally google covered

[spare sedge]

its going to take me weeks to google it

[vast geyser]

nvme m.2

[vast geyser]

bing ai is usually a life saver

[lusty orchid]

nope, only 10 mins

[spare sedge]

ive been googling all day

[lusty orchid]

for nonsequential info by overthinking it all

[vast geyser]

dude i hope ure using edge + bing

otherwise youre trolling

its free money!

[spare sedge]

how much money

[open iris]

100% what dreams google is likehttps://youtu.be/YuOBzWF0Aws?si=2q-TAifH7TmNo0yq

[vast geyser]

uh, not enough to make a living

[spare sedge]

yeah thats me

[lusty orchid]

ngl, i feel like the guy playing as google sometimes

[spare sedge]

i mean i can use ai to make it automatic

[vast geyser]

im about 300 points from 575 RP in league

[brave brook]

right?!?!?

[pearl heath]

Best of luck with that, considering you don't have a PC currently capable of training a GPT model to do that

[spare sedge]

i can do it on my laptop

[pearl heath]

Also remember that, well, ""AI"" as we currently know it is just applied statistics
You will spend less time googling stuff yourself, to get the exact same answers

[vast geyser]

hell yeah

[lusty orchid]

and your first pc build is going to be never at this point

[spare sedge]

i meant for just bing money

[vast geyser]

nah

theres a daily cap i thikn

[spare sedge]

obviously that is not true

[spare sedge]

thats even better

[vast geyser]

for example

[spare sedge]

you can just have the ai search for you and you will never forget cause the ai does it for you

[lusty orchid]

with the stuff you've been looking up, yes it's more than likely to be never

[vast geyser]

thats not really ai

[spare sedge]

that makes no sense

[vast geyser]

youre saying ai way too broadly

[lusty orchid]

it really makes sense, especially with all that you've been asking

[spare sedge]

not really

[vast geyser]

huh i can redem $4 for h&m

[lusty orchid]

then why look up about pata, esata, msata ?

why look up about hdd's?

[spare sedge]

i didnt have a clue at first to even read pcpp

for storage devices

this is going to 1000% happen again when we get to the next part btw

[vast geyser]

i mean searching HDDs isnt that bad compared to fuckin pata

[brave brook]

guys hold on

[spare sedge]

i was told to get a hdd

[vast geyser]

cant wait for the power supply discussion

[lusty orchid]

you've not even decided about the mobo you will be using @spare sedge

[open iris]

By who

[spare sedge]

yeah cause i dont know how much sata i will need

[brave brook]

why did we switch to storage anyway

[spare sedge]

i was barely sure what sata was

[vast geyser]

close to none

[open iris]

Also a hdd in a van sounds like your asking for it to break

[spare sedge]

i always mixed sata up for ethernet

[brave brook]

.....how tf

[vast geyser]

i have a cool trick for this one https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supplies-101,4193.html

[lusty orchid]

without vibration dampening, and some form of shock absorbency, yup

[spare sedge]

after i figure out storage ill be able to understand mbs even more

[vast geyser]

not really

theres not much to understand about motherboards

[lusty orchid]

which is why i advice against it for their case

[vast geyser]

"hey it has ports i need! i buy"

maybe a bit more complicated on intel platforms but thats generally it

[spare sedge]

i was extremely fuzzy about m.2 and sata

still am tbh

[lusty orchid]

mobo is simply correct chipset and the right price you're willing to pay

[spare sedge]

im not fuzzy about usb tho

[vast geyser]

after learning what every fucking pin does i bet you arent

[teal pond]

Sata bad, m.2 good

[lusty orchid]

i feel like i should send them the pdf doc's of usb C specs and tell them to read it as a night time thing before they go to sleep

[lusty orchid]

sata fine if no more m.2 slots, just got to ensure the sata ssd has dram cache

[vast geyser]

mx500 or toast

[teal pond]

t o a s t

[lusty orchid]

basically, there's a few others also, but that's what it amounts to

[vast geyser]

870 qvo or whatever?

[lusty orchid]

evo

[vast geyser]

wait what was qvo then

[lusty orchid]

qvo's are qlc nand drives

[vast geyser]

ah

[lusty orchid]

evo's are tlc nand and usually with dram cache

[vast geyser]

got it

[lusty orchid]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit?pli=1#gid=0 save this for yourself

[spare sedge]

why lmao

[lusty orchid]

because you're the kind of person i feel like would read it and want to know even more

[spare sedge]

im basically doing this 24 / 7 and hardly sleeping. i havent even eaten today

i feel like i already know all about usbc

[vast geyser]

that will go right next to the frog.kim bookmark

[brave brook]

Why is it usb c now

[spare sedge]

so doing it before bed is so silly to me when im already doing more all day long

[vast geyser]

holy shit a pc is not worth your health 😭

holy fuck thats a lot of ssds

[spare sedge]

this one is. this time. and right now.

[lusty orchid]

it's a good list to check against when looking up ssd's for yourself, just like the cultist psu tier list for searching up psu's

[spare sedge]

at night i basically sleep for 90 mins

and then i hop back on to do this

[vast geyser]

😭

ok you gotta stop searching up useless stuff

[lusty orchid]

nope, risking health is about as good as driving drunk

[brave brook]

Guys hold on, we need to focus on what matters.
• Dream, sleep more, this isn’t more important than your health
• The only ssds to care about are sata 2.5” and nvme m.2

[spare sedge]

and then at work im listening to videos but i cant watch them so videos that say "look at the mb." it doesnt matter to me. i cant see it

[brave brook]

They come hand in hand

[vast geyser]

actually.. looking into psus might be good for learning about electricity since vans n shit are complicated.. but youre kinda venturing on your own then

[spare sedge]

why not sata 3.5

[vast geyser]

cause theres none

that matter

[spare sedge]

is there actually none or is 3.5 just worse

[lusty orchid]

because that is hdd area mainly and any ssd of that size is enterprise level so no not for you

[spare sedge]

oh okay

[vast geyser]

when looking at sata ssds, as said previously, its a hard fight between the mx500 and the mx500 and the 870 evo

[spare sedge]

who are the top manufacturers?

[lusty orchid]

that does not matter

[spare sedge]

its good to know

[lusty orchid]

it's product not brand name

[lusty orchid]

no, no it's not

[spare sedge]

do you just not know

[brave brook]

Where’s the Puget Systems report on ssd reliability

[vast geyser]

mom caught me awake at 2am, hm

[vast geyser]

the model matters, not the manufacturer

[spare sedge]

how old are you woopy

[vast geyser]

16

[spare sedge]

lmao omg

[vast geyser]

thats why it doesnt matter

[lusty orchid]

i know multiple brands, and several nand manufacturers but that still it doesn't matter when it's all about the product and not the brand when it comes to pc parts

[vast geyser]

wdym omg 😭

[spare sedge]

im literally 10 years older than you

[brave brook]

also doesnt matter lol

[vast geyser]

old

[lusty orchid]

when they laugh at someone younger who knows more than them

[vast geyser]

loooooooooooool

sorry i had to

whenever someone is over 18 i have to call them old

except when its my mom or grandma or grandpa

[brave brook]

back on topic plz

[spare sedge]

whats the model

[vast geyser]

yeah mb

[vast geyser]

the model of the component

like for example

[brave brook]

"sn850x", "mp33", "p3 plus", "980 pro", etc

[vast geyser]

ryzen is the manufacturer, 7950x3d is the model

[spare sedge]

so its like aibs then

[brave brook]

NO

[spare sedge]

980 pro is made by lots of different brands

[brave brook]

dont compare that

[vast geyser]

not really

[brave brook]

hell no

[spare sedge]

oh okay

[vast geyser]

just samsung

unless theres some chinese ssd that uses the 980 pro name

[spare sedge]

so its like motherboards

[vast geyser]

99% of the time they have different names though

[vast geyser]

...i guess?

[brave brook]

its when a company makes different products

[vast geyser]

fr

[brave brook]

idk why it has to be compared to anything

[spare sedge]

brand + model

why chop off the brand. i dont get it lmao

[brave brook]

its easier to say "980 pro" instead of "samsung 980 pro"

[spare sedge]

like msi has many motherboards with model names

[brave brook]

and ppl still understand

[spare sedge]

itd be nice to understand the brands in the storage device space

[brave brook]

....

[lusty orchid]

no, that is samsung only

[lusty orchid]

and msi is the brand

[spare sedge]

yeah ik

[lusty orchid]

where as b650m-a pro = chipset , mobo form factor, and model all in one

b650 chipset, the 'm' meaning it's an mATX mobo

[brave brook]

so whats the problem

[vast geyser]

its really not this complicated honestly

[spare sedge]

i didnt know thats what the letter after the chipset meant. was form factor.

[brave brook]

It’s not standard

[vast geyser]

i mean

[spare sedge]

but i wouldnt compare it to chipset cause thats the exact opposite of what they were saying

[vast geyser]

its pretty standard

[brave brook]

Some do and some don’t

[vast geyser]

give me 1 concrete example

of an matx motherboard not having m at the end

[lusty orchid]

if we're mentioning mATX mob's it's very standaradized

[brave brook]

Probably, but not for all form factors

[vast geyser]

itx boards usually have -i

[brave brook]

That’s what I was getting at

[vast geyser]

and then the rest of form factors are irrelevant

[brave brook]

I may be wrong, idk

[lusty orchid]

if it doesn't have the 'm' then it's an ATX mobo, and mITX/ITX mobo's have -i on the end

[brave brook]

I stand corrected 🫡

But back to storage

[vast geyser]

another internet argument won

[spare sedge]

chipset is like aibs

theres the base chipset or base gpu

and then individual motherboard manufacturers or aib partner graphics cards manufacturers make their own motherboards or their own graphics cards using the base chipset or base gpu.

what you guys are saying is that storage device model names are not like that and the brand + model name are together but people chop the brand name off similar to cpus.

[brave brook]

No, stop comparing things to aibs

[vast geyser]

i mean

the comparation isnt totally wrong

[spare sedge]

just because you learned a different way doesnt mean anything. this is right and its exactly how it is

[lusty orchid]

if comparing a mobo like a gpu sure, but with storage, nope

[spare sedge]

i wasnt even aware of the products doing this until i started researching pc parts

[brave brook]

Aibs (manufacturers) make the same product, chipsets are made by different manufacturers

[vast geyser]

and the last part is right as well

[spare sedge]

most other products dont do that ever lmao its always just the fucking item and it has a brand

so when i got to aib. that went me spiraling

motherboards are the same exact way with chipsets.

the confusion is me asking

whether or not storage devices are like that too

idk what you would call it. marketing ig?

[lusty orchid]

same could be infered in the same way on gpu's as for chipsets

[lusty orchid]

storage devices are not like that

[spare sedge]

i already know a motherboard isnt a fucking graphics card and a chipset isnt a gpu.

[spare sedge]

alr

[lusty orchid]

no but the main manufacture for the chipset or gpu is either amd, intel or nvidia

[spare sedge]

so then you just dont want to tell me the brand name in fear of me having a brand preference or some weird bs idk about

[lusty orchid]

the AIB's have their own model lines for each

[lusty orchid]

giving you just a brand name can end up with you getting a terrible product under a well known brand

[spare sedge]

all ik about storage device brands is that i originally though western digital was fucking ass and then my friend told me there are leading the market or something

[brave brook]

It’s always changing

[spare sedge]

i mean im not gonna pick something just for the brand

[vast geyser]

WD is doing wonders

[lusty orchid]

wd owns sandisk which in turn makes the nand for their SSD's

[vast geyser]

sandisk the goat

you need an obscure type of storage? sandisk has the product

[brave brook]

Good to know

[lusty orchid]

though there are brands like sk hynix who make their own nand

[vast geyser]

hynix is pretty big

i want a hynix ddr5 kit

[spare sedge]

i basically wanna know the market cap of storage device brands

i already found this

which is nice to know

[lusty orchid]

kingston is a good way to do that, they use alot of hynix dies

[brave brook]

Wdym market cap

[spare sedge]

san is just nas but for enterprise

[pearl heath]

Why would you like to know this?

[brave brook]

Anything “enterprise” can immediately be ignored

[lusty orchid]

this is pointless and refers to something you're not dealing with

[spare sedge]

so like intel vs amd for cpus is an easy market cap chart. same with gpus

alright. im gonna go eat. ill be back when im done figuring this out

[lusty orchid]

especially as a DAS is a pc turnt into a nas

[vast geyser]

all i know is that US has hynix kits for $80 and i dont

💔

[pearl heath]

This is a pointless way of judging their products

[brave brook]

What is market cap

[vast geyser]

how much of people own the product

out of a whole

i think

or smth idk

[pearl heath]

(google it)

[vast geyser]

yeah.. prob for the best

[brave brook]

Yeah I realized I should do that

So it doesn’t fucking matter at all

[brave brook]

Why tf does this matter at all

[vast geyser]

was i right

[brave brook]

Yeah, it’s how much of a product (like ssds or ram) each manufacturer has

Well

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp

[vast geyser]

oh

so its how much the company is worth

[brave brook]

If “cap” means “capitalization”

[vast geyser]

yeah it does

[brave brook]

Whoopy can you agree this is pointless af

[vast geyser]

its without the H

grahhh

but yeah it is

dream, you cant complain about having sleepless nights then checking to see market caps for each company 😭

[brave brook]

It has absolutely nothing to do with the storage we’re talking about

[brave brook]

Ewwwww

[spare sedge]

its not for each company

[vast geyser]

its for some companies, alr

but still

[spare sedge]

with cpus its about a 50 50 split amd intel.

with gpus its like a 70 30 split with nvidia amd and like a small amount for intel

[brave brook]

Market share doesn’t matter!!! What matters is the product

[vast geyser]

uh actually

[spare sedge]

lmao

[vast geyser]

intel has the highest

i think

[spare sedge]

cant even give me a damn overview

[brave brook]

Overview of what

[vast geyser]

and apparently AMD is bigger than intel

[spare sedge]

of the storage device market

ram seems to be gskill dominated which i lost the chart for

[vast geyser]

eh, prob just crucial, samsung, and WD at the top

[brave brook]

Google it

[spare sedge]

tried. cant find shit

[brave brook]

Cap

[spare sedge]

or it gives me the wrong shit

[brave brook]

Yeah lol

[brave brook]

Show

[vast geyser]

unless HP just has a crazy amount of ssds in prebuilts

[brave brook]

Here’s some
https://www.ranker.com/list/the-best-ssd-manufacturers/computer-hardware

[brave brook]

They’re bought from one of them

The 3 you said

[vast geyser]

i was so right

[vast geyser]

i was not expecting kingston at 4, but its understandable

[brave brook]

What can’t you find there

[spare sedge]

this is definitely a start

[brave brook]

Click on the “people also ask” things

[spare sedge]

cause these ones arent good

[brave brook]

?

Here’s another list
https://www.tech21century.com/best-ssd-brands/

[vast geyser]

huh, intel over wd

interesting

[brave brook]

?

[spare sedge]

arent*

[brave brook]

Here’s ranked
https://www.slashgear.com/1358819/best-ssd-brands-memory/

[spare sedge]

intel has ssds?

[brave brook]

Samsung, crucial, and wd are top 3

[vast geyser]

yep

[brave brook]

Yes

[spare sedge]

these are also just ranked lists not market share. but still helpful

[vast geyser]

seagate for ssds is a bit weird? but its understandable

[brave brook]

No one gives a shit about market share

[spare sedge]

i was mostly hoping for someone here to give me insight into the market

[brave brook]

And neither should you

[pearl heath]

Most popular does not mean best

[brave brook]

My last link does that

[spare sedge]

okay, but when every other fucking pc part and the fucking market share DID matter so

[vast geyser]

it never did

what

[spare sedge]

yeah ik obviously

[vast geyser]

you never mentioned market share before

[brave brook]

Yeah I was gonna say, it never did

[spare sedge]

yes i have lmao

[spare sedge]

the first thing most people start researching is cpu

[brave brook]

LOL

[spare sedge]

and cpu has one of the biggest ones

[brave brook]

Biggest what

[vast geyser]

smart people usually research the performance difference rather than market share

in cpus

[lusty orchid]

nope

[vast geyser]

yea, most of the mentioning of market was never about the share

[spare sedge]

lmao

[pearl heath]

Ehh, most of the time people either buy a prebuilt for shocking bad value, or come here (or to other tech serves) to provide a budget, and then get a parts list given to them

[brave brook]

performance and reliability are the only things that matter

[pearl heath]

In all my years in this server, you are the first who has gone so in depth into their research that they've lost the forest for the trees

[vast geyser]

i dont get how any of this is about the share

[spare sedge]

its the same thing

[lusty orchid]

been a long time since i've heard that saying

[spare sedge]

market cap or dominance whatever you want to call it

[vast geyser]

no it aint

you mentioned market as whats available to buy

just because you thought about market share doesnt mean you typed it

[brave brook]

Regardless, don’t look for market share. Ever.

[lusty orchid]

if you was focused about that, you'd be buying an 13900k instead of a 7950x3d

[vast geyser]

idk, saw someone in tech chat 2 talking about how amd is actually bigger than intel

[lusty orchid]

but no, you want the 7950x3d

[vast geyser]

but intel has more revenue

[teal pond]

guys she already decided on the 7950x3d

[lusty orchid]

still has a smaller market share compared to intel still despite what headroom they made

[lusty orchid]

i know, was making a point about what she's saying

[vast geyser]

the share is smaller, the cap is bigger

[spare sedge]

okay so basically.

1. thats what the market is. it doesnt matter what you searched into discord search lmao. it doesnt matter if i specifically said market share or not. thats not how it works at all.

2. it wasnt even just me talking about market dominance or brand popularity or whatever. it was multiple people constantly. some would even come in here just to disagree with the parts i picked because of brand preference.

[lusty orchid]

still points to, market cap/share does not matter when you go by product not by brand

[vast geyser]

yeah, just felt like it was very interesting to share

[brave brook]

Everyone slow down please. Let’s get back to the point.
• Don’t look at market share, cap, or any way you want to call it.
• look at performance only

[vast geyser]

no one got the joke in the first image though 😔

[spare sedge]

3. you guys will just assume that if i want to know something. it means that it means like the world to me. i literally just want to know. i have a big background in stocks and crypto so its good to know. and its also just nice to keep in mind overall.

[brave brook]

With your background, you’ll be able to find it then?

[spare sedge]

its like ill ask about the market brand spread and you guys lose your mind over it not meaning everything. and now will go so far as to pretend intel vs amd isnt even a thing lmao

[spare sedge]

im fucking trying

[pearl heath]

It's more because of the name of this thread channel thing

[vast geyser]

how did we pretend it isnt a thing

[lusty orchid]

it doesn't when it comes to pc parts, it's like buying a brand name device for the sake of it being a certain brand

[spare sedge]

just thought maybe someone would know the "good brands" off hand

fuck

[pearl heath]

No such thing as 'good brands'
you buy what makes sense for your budget

[vast geyser]

do i reveal the joke in the 1st image or is it too late already

[lusty orchid]

there is no good brands, only good and bad products

[spare sedge]

yeah i disagree completely

[vast geyser]

i mean nestle is an objectively yucky brand, but damn is their shit tasty

[pearl heath]

You could call Samsung a good brand because everyone seems to like their SSDs and phones and stuff

Does that actually mean they make good products? Ehhh...

[lusty orchid]

then you'll be buying a brand named product because of the brand name with literally no real research

[vast geyser]

and creeper sent 3 links, out of which the top 3 i guessed

[pearl heath]

Samsung stuff is too expensive for what it is, their products are not worth the price

[vast geyser]

(((2tb sn850x for $100)))

[spare sedge]

especially since you guys in this thread have a strong bias to leading me away from certain things of which idk whats behind the curtain tbh

but obviously there is some significance if other people who have a lesser bias are telling me otherwise like "western digital are kings of storage devices"

so clearly it is a thing. which should be obvious

idk why we are trying to gatekeep it

[vast geyser]

i mean there isnt a king.....

[lusty orchid]

many would like to think samsung is tbf

[spare sedge]

you do realize the "it depends" responses get me no closer to figuring anything out

[pearl heath]

I mean ig one could say "WD are kings" in terms of their HDD prevalence in server spaces? But so are Seagate

[spare sedge]

i already know western digital isnt kings

lmao

[vast geyser]

i was thinking of phrasing that in another way

[spare sedge]

im trying to get overall insight on the market and i have no brand recognition

[pearl heath]

I'm just reading and responding to what you have typed here 🤷

Specifically the second paragraph

[vast geyser]

creeper sent links with the most relevant brands

[lusty orchid]

that's only worth it if you're buying and selling stocks, not for building a pc

[spare sedge]

it would be like sleeves for trading cards "it doesnt matter" "just get what you think looks cool"

[vast geyser]

just not from a market share point

[spare sedge]

but if you are into trading cards then you know theres basically only one brand

[lusty orchid]

which is true of many things, and market share/cap means nothing in those

[spare sedge]

ranked lists are basically not great sources

[vast geyser]

hey, better than nothing

[spare sedge]

like i said. it was a start

[pearl heath]

And PC parts are not trading cards

[spare sedge]

lmao

maybe you should just stick to pc parts then

[lusty orchid]

nor are pc parts to be bought based on market share/cap

[pearl heath]

Why do you think I'm here..?

[vast geyser]

isnt that what were doign though

[lusty orchid]

not for the betterment of your health or sanity

[vast geyser]

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey with this knowledge, we should only buy nvidia gpus cause theyre the king of market share

[spare sedge]

ive already accepted no one here knows the answer

ill just keep searching

jesus christ

[lusty orchid]

1 question can have a thousand answers, not all are correct

[spare sedge]

ugh thats exactly what i fucking mean

[vast geyser]

i dont think theres any surveys for storage

[spare sedge]

i keep trying to say that thats not what that means

its just good to know

[lusty orchid]

though said surveys' results should be taken with a grain of salt

[vast geyser]

maybe UBM has some obscure surveys

[spare sedge]

i thought it would be easy. or just good conversation

but every attempt at trying to learn is just no

[lusty orchid]

ones defintely not to be trusted

[spare sedge]

and so i gotta keep searching

[pearl heath]

Only a select few people in this server even make a glance towards market caps or whatever started this discussion

[vast geyser]

well, its def there

maybe not there, lemme check actually

[spare sedge]

i already know the more minor parts have less of a dramatic market

[pearl heath]

Because us, the average tech nerd, really just cares for what we can actually touch and then put into a computer

Bonus points for some people if the thing we touch has RGB bits lol

[lusty orchid]

the google doc i linked has tiering on it, between an entry level and a high end ssd

what you plan on doing can be covered with an mid ranged ssd with no issues

[vast geyser]

oh, as a side note, UBM seems to be nicer to WD than samsung lol

[spare sedge]

yes stuff like this

this is what i wanted to see

[lusty orchid]

if you want to look up ssd performances, anandtech/tomshardware are good sites for it

[pearl heath]

Did you know that the majority of that green block is just GTX 1650 and GTX 1050 because of prebuilts and laptops

[vast geyser]

i dont think there are any lad

[vast geyser]

it was just an example

[pearl heath]

And some 3060s, courtesy of prebuilts too

[vast geyser]

of a type of chart

[pearl heath]

I do wonder what that 'other' tab is lol

Matrox cards maybe?

[lusty orchid]

and this means nothing when it comes to product performance which is what you build a pc based on

[spare sedge]

ughh again. stop assuming

[vast geyser]

wait theres an other tab?

[vast geyser]

who

[pearl heath]

I wasn't assuming.

[vast geyser]

thats the only other i see

[lusty orchid]

that isn't an assumption, do you realise what is used more greatly in oem prebuilds and laptops?

[vast geyser]

the fuck is this

[spare sedge]

this is good to know tho but im already aware that it doesnt show the best definitive brand or whatever

[pearl heath]

This... Does not show that

[lusty orchid]

there is no best brand ffs

[spare sedge]

doesnt***

ugh for fuck sake

[lusty orchid]

understand this

there

is

no

[spare sedge]

thats what i fucking meant by assuming

[lusty orchid]

best

[spare sedge]

OMGGGG

[lusty orchid]

brand

[spare sedge]

just stop

[vast geyser]

ok.. so i found out who that other is

[pearl heath]

At this point I forgot where this discussion even started lol

Market caps?

Markets..?

[lusty orchid]

this

[vast geyser]

market share of storage

[spare sedge]

okay

[vast geyser]

random, you heard of via technologies before?

[pearl heath]

Yes

[vast geyser]

yeah, its their gpus

[lusty orchid]

very old brand dude

[vast geyser]

it would seem

[spare sedge]

i meant assuming as in stop assuming i care about the market because i want to see which is the most popular because popularity = best. i am saying i DONT THINK THIS

[vast geyser]

based on my shoddy research

[lusty orchid]

via been around since the days of the very first ibm pc tbf

[vast geyser]

1987

[lusty orchid]

2 years after me

[vast geyser]

so for some reason, some people are still using their ancient gpus made in the 2000s

which were never even fast

[lusty orchid]

there's those that are old tech enthusiasts

[vast geyser]

3igpork

[teal pond]

guys lets just move on rn

[vast geyser]

ok continue though

or maybe its just better to let go

[spare sedge]

nothing to let go

i already finished

[vast geyser]

alr

[spare sedge]

my 2nd point was just me saying thank you ig

[teal pond]

dream what part is next

[spare sedge]

still just on storage

[lusty orchid]

sort out mobo before sorting anything else out

[teal pond]

did she decide that yet

[spare sedge]

but i need like a 10 min break

[vast geyser]

take as long as you want lol

go grab smth to eat

[lusty orchid]

nope

[spare sedge]

i literally cant do this

i dont want to say it again

[teal pond]

Dream just don’t overthink it

[spare sedge]

lmao

[lusty orchid]

to late, called it out earlier

[teal pond]

oh

[vast geyser]

0.36% is kinda huge

[teal pond]

it might be foreign brands?

idk

[vast geyser]

ah wait

cmon

[lusty orchid]

some old tech is worth keeping, some not so much

[vast geyser]

the last known driver for those gpus was made in 2011

yeah theres prob other gpus that we just cant see

oh, also SiS

[teal pond]

The only gpu brands I know is nvidia amd and intel

[lusty orchid]

another oldie i haven't heard/seen in a long while

[lusty orchid]

you're young, it's a given

[vast geyser]

oh wow, sis made quite a few gpus

well this was interesting

learned about 2 other gpu manufacturers that quit

lol, they were both made in 1987

oh wow there were so many cpu manufacturers

[spare sedge]

why is there so many without a cache

[pearl heath]

Cheaper

Also do not bother with drives that don't show a price

[vast geyser]

and cache isnt quite that necessary

[pearl heath]

It's extremely not necessary

[vast geyser]

filter only 3.0 and 4.0 tbf

[pearl heath]

(and set minimum price to $1)

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

what was the purpose of the cache to begin with

[pearl heath]

Speeds up slower drives
Marketing

But SSDs nowadays are so fast that they rarely use, or don't benefit at all from the cache

[spare sedge]

so its good for bad drives that have a bad speed

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

where can you view the speed of the ssd

[lusty orchid]

only worth it for sata ssd's

[spare sedge]

okay got it.

[lusty orchid]

click on the ssd and you'll get some info for it

otherwise google the specific model

though for the sn500 i can tell you straight away it does no more than 1,500MB/s

[spare sedge]

so it really is just ssd hdd and hybrid

[vast geyser]

yea

[spare sedge]

for the longest time i had no clue what rpm was

[lusty orchid]

revolutions per minute, the speed at what a motor can do

anything over 7200rpm will need extra vibration danpening

[vast geyser]

seagate raptor

or whatever company made that 10000rpm one

[teal pond]

dream I would stick with m.2 personally

[vast geyser]

idk high speed hdds is like kissing a wound saying it will get better

[spare sedge]

here are some speeds that pop up. ive never seen these before.

i was aware of the interface speeds so like sata 3 and so on or m.2 5x4 etc but what about these ones and which one is the most important

[vast geyser]

idk how correct pcpartpicker's speed stuff is

[pearl heath]

Random read and writes are the only ones you really should be caring about

[pearl heath]

WD made the Raptor and VelociRaptor drives

They were prone to failure lol

[vast geyser]

i wonder why!

[lusty orchid]

but then again, you're not building a server so anything over 7200rpm for a hdd isn't worth it, and on top of that, as this is a build going in a vehicle, no hdd's are to be gotten at all

[spare sedge]

im going to.

how many m.2s can you have?

[teal pond]

it depends on your board

[vast geyser]

depends on the mobo

[lusty orchid]

literally depends on the mobo

[vast geyser]

which is why you preferably pick that before

[spare sedge]

can i still do the thing where people put their os on one drive and use the other drive for storage?

[lusty orchid]

which like i siad, is to be decided before the storage

[vast geyser]

yeah

sure

[spare sedge]

yeah but whats the range

[lusty orchid]

like i do

[vast geyser]

thats like the kinda smart way to do it

[vast geyser]

from 1 to quite a few

like you went over this already

high end mobos have 4 slots

then you can add pcie to m.2 adapters

[lusty orchid]

how i has my pc setup for storage

[vast geyser]

id just get lost

[vast geyser]

why do u have 400gb partitioned for music

[spare sedge]

i dont think so. i went over expansion slots but i actually dont think m.2 counts as expansion slots

[lusty orchid]

it's a 480gb ssd as i did do online radio for a while so got quite a bit of music stored

[lusty orchid]

it does though

[spare sedge]

so these two are the most important basically

[vast geyser]

can u host euro truck radio stations cause most ones are mid af

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

and the interface speed doesnt matter either cause its usually way higher meaning a bottleneck wont be reached

[vast geyser]

sequential is when you feel like moving terrabytes of storage

[lusty orchid]

i could show you screenshots of what i got later

[vast geyser]

if i wont be asleep by then

[pearl heath]

Sequential is when you want to move a small amount of large files

[vast geyser]

closing in on 4am

[pearl heath]

Like moving a movie

[spare sedge]

heres the m.2 on the riptide

does it mean there is 4 m.2

[lusty orchid]

3 storage, 1 for wifi

[spare sedge]

or does ekey not count

okay

[pearl heath]

E-keyed M.2 slots are for WiFi only

[spare sedge]

so ekey is always wifi?

okay

[lusty orchid]

wifi/usb depends on what m.2 is used in it

[spare sedge]

what does it mean when pcpp does the 2242 / 2260 / 2280.

the slashes. not the numbers i know the numbers are width and length

ik the largest is 110

[lusty orchid]

different sized m.2 drives

[pearl heath]

Because reading 224222602280 sucks

Just to separate the numbers

[vast geyser]

can fit 2242, 2260 or 2280..

[lusty orchid]

22mm wide, 42/60/80/110mm long

[pearl heath]

both yall missed what they said

[spare sedge]

so is it like.

6 mkeys on the board. or 3 mkeys on the board and the 3 mkeys support those sizes

[pearl heath]

3 M-keyed M.2 slots on the board, supporting those 3 sizes each

[spare sedge]

okay im on board

[lusty orchid]

3x m.2 slots that are 'M' key that supports different sizes

this the b650 riptide?

[spare sedge]

so. what are the other mkey sizes for. are they all for storage? i mostly just see m.2 in 2280

what does bigger or smaller mean exactly. more or less storage? or

[lusty orchid]

storage mainly, but you can get m.2 adapters that can also work in them

[pearl heath]

Physical size, is all

[vast geyser]

smaller means it fits in more compact spaces like i said before, laptops, steam deck

[spare sedge]

like ik if the smallest size says it has the bigger capacity. then thats what it means. but what is the real world correlation

unless there is none

and the capacity is all across the board

[lusty orchid]

though the smaller a m.2's physical size can also limity you on their storage capacity

[spare sedge]

cause if its only size. then that means smaller is better. and the capacity is an after thought.

[lusty orchid]

i.e. a 2230/2242 will mean at max the highest capacity for that size is 2tb

[lusty orchid]

nope

a 2280 > 2242

[spare sedge]

alright makes sense to me

[lusty orchid]

a 2280 m.2 you can get up to 8tb in capacity

[spare sedge]

ik the sizing. and ik why only some sizes fit. its cause if its too long itll run into parts on the mb.

so ig at the end of the day it may impact capacity a little

but its mostly there just for compatability

[lusty orchid]

quite a lot with certain sizes as you can't physically fit more nand flash on it for higher capacity

largest capacity m.2 drive is 8tb and that's on a 2280

[spare sedge]

okay so if you can fit the 22110. might as well go for that cause it fits and m.2s are getting cheap

[lusty orchid]

where as the largest sata 2.5 ssd is 16tb

[lusty orchid]

nope

[spare sedge]

wdym

[lusty orchid]

you'd get a 2280 m.2 drive

[spare sedge]

explain more.

like is 22110 not a thing for m.2

[vast geyser]

prob just shitty

21110 is really not a standard size, so not of a lot of them are made

so capacity and speed is sad

[lusty orchid]

it's very limited on how many 22110 m.2's there are and even then for the price it costs for a 1tb 22110 drive you can get a 4th 2280 drive

size wise it's not realistically any improvement in storage capacity in regards to a 22110

[spare sedge]

makes sense to me. is the m.2 22110 form factor used for anything else besides storage in this case?

here are all the 22110s

[vast geyser]

dont think so but i could be wrong

i was waiting for rauko to answer

[lusty orchid]

some adapters that convert m.2 into sata/minisas/pcie x4/x8/x16 slot that's wired for x4 speeds

[spare sedge]

highest cap is an unpriced 4 tb 4x4

[vast geyser]

well, there you go

[spare sedge]

what interface speeds should i avoid

whats my lowest

whats too old even for m.2

[vast geyser]

pcie 3

pcie 2 is too old

[spare sedge]

okay

[lusty orchid]

pcie gen 2 is to old

[vast geyser]

pcie 3 is the lowest you can buy

thats worth buying

[spare sedge]

and then dont get 5 cause its a waste of money

[vast geyser]

yeah

[lusty orchid]

pcie gen 3 is minimum, and pcie gen5 you should avoid

[spare sedge]

and your mb might not support it

[vast geyser]

since theres no difference between going from hell a sata to a pcie 5 ssd

[spare sedge]

gen 4 is the sweet spot

[lusty orchid]

and it needs active cooling

[lusty orchid]

nope

[spare sedge]

wdym

[lusty orchid]

gen 4 drives are only worth it depending on the workload

i.e. video editing

[spare sedge]

okay

[vast geyser]

but say you want a really fast ssd for whatever reason, cough sn850x cough

lol the ssd spreadsheet doesnt have the sn850x?

im dumb

[lusty orchid]

which is a wd gen 4 nvme drive that uses tlc nand

[vast geyser]

i was ctrl+f-ing another page

[spare sedge]

it looks like the smallest size can only do 2tb like you said

[lusty orchid]

though it does need updating more as theres some brands on pcpp thants not on the list