ohhh
#♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡
brave brook
No
brave brook
Unless you add one with usb
spare sedge
are sd cards better than flash drives?
brave brook
No
open iris
no
spare sedge
damn
brave brook
You can’t compare them
open iris
their use case is different anyway
brave brook
They’re for different things
open iris
yes
brave brook
Yes
open iris
but differently
spare sedge
what about floopy disk
open iris
you cant exactly put a usb stick in a phone
brave brook
what about floopy disk
Old, shit, irrelevant
spare sedge
ik its old
vast geyser
what about floopy disk
normal storage
open iris
and even if you use an adapater kinda makes your phone way more unusable
spare sedge
but like was that before hdds
brave brook
normal storage
That’s also removable
vast geyser
but like was that before hdds
no
brave brook
Yes
vast geyser
HDDs were made in the 1950s
spare sedge
um
vast geyser
what
spare sedge
so wait back then before mainstream use of the hdd
vast geyser
alr
vast geyser
like seriously this is easily googleable information
pearl heath
people used floppy disks and mcm
Casette
brave brook
It’s like when ssds existed but no one used them because they were expensive
pearl heath
It's also extremely irrelevant to building a PC
So make a parts list, build your PC and then ask questions like these in the tech chats
spare sedge
It’s like when ssds existed but no one used them because they were expensive
so like you are comparing hdds back then to ssds now
open iris
It's also extremely irrelevant to building a PC
half this and the other thread in a nutshell
brave brook
so like you are comparing hdds back then to ssds now
Pretty much
spare sedge
and so back then no one used hdds because they were expensive even though they were better
brave brook
Higher data density and speed
brave brook
and so back then no one used hdds because they were expensive even though they w...
Yep
open iris
a floppy disk could only store like 1 megabyte
spare sedge
i will go back to tech chat like i did when i first started how about that
brave brook
a floppy disk could only store like 1 megabyte
3.5 is 1.44MB
pearl heath
i will go back to tech chat like i did when i first started how about that
Any questions unrelated to building your PC should be in either one of the tech chats
brave brook
We need a better way than tech chat. It’s so chaotic
pure mica
Lol
spare sedge
when i went to tech chat the first time
open iris
tech chat is 10% fun discussions, 60% people needing help with builds 30% trolling frankly
spare sedge
i literally got bullied tf out of
because i was asking questions
and then i was told to leave tech chat
pure mica
spare sedge
and make my own thread even though i really didnt fucking want to
i just wanted my questions answered
brave brook
It was probably because the questions were so googleable
pure mica
^
brave brook
and everyone is tired of that
open iris
its fair tthough
people go their to talk tech
not assist people all day
with answers a single google search can find
brave brook
whats the fucking point
Google the questions instead of asking us
open iris
frankly half the questions i answer for people i literally just google
they can 100% do it themselves
pure mica
You but they are lazy
brave brook
Any questions that you cannot find the answers to can be asked here
open iris
apparently its impossible though
lusty orchid
a floppy disk could only store like 1 megabyte
single density ones did 1.44mb, double density ones did 2.88mb dude
brave brook
single density ones did 1.44mb, double density ones did 2.88mb dude
I didn’t know there were double density
brave brook
<@797640137273901137> how bad was it this time
We got asked what cd’s were
brave brook
And optical drives
lusty orchid
aye but they're ancient by todays standard and required a drive to read them, not a standard floppy drive
latent blade
is this not a 4090 build
@spare sedge could you go over the parts you have in total right now
brave brook
<@841694455747706911> could you go over the parts you have in total right now
7950x3d, liquid suprim 4090, 5600 cl28 ram
latent blade
Damn this is high end
Dream just stay in here
Because people are feeding you misinformation there
and I can’t be bothered to deal with it
latent blade
7950x3d, liquid suprim 4090, 5600 cl28 ram
No PSU yet?
latent blade
boy
open iris
No PSU yet?
the psu convo will at least be 2000 messages ...
latent blade
what’s the budget again?
brave brook
$7k
brave brook
Kinda
latent blade
shit nvm
spare sedge
<@841694455747706911> could you go over the parts you have in total right now
7950x3d
rtx 4090 suprim x liquid
gskill trident 5600 cl28
mb tba
cooling (probably an aio) there is a small chance i will go custom loop
storage device (in progress)
latent blade
ok let’s go ahead and pick a mobo
brave brook
Do you want matx or atx
latent blade
Because that’s the literal easiest part
lusty orchid
mobo should be a b650/b650e, not x670/x670e tbh
spare sedge
ok let’s go ahead and pick a mobo
ive decided to take a break off mb cause i realize i know nothing about storage
latent blade
ive decided to take a break off mb cause i realize i know nothing about storage
All good
What do you want to do first?
lusty orchid
7950x3d
rtx 4090 suprim x liquid
gskill trident 5600 cl28
mb tba
cooling (probab...
ram should really be 6000 cl30-32
lusty orchid
sup
spare sedge
so when mbs list sata and m.2 i know the sizing for m.2 but i dont know like why it matters
latent blade
i wouldnt recommend this thread
Hey i need a challenge shut up
latent blade
so when mbs list sata and m.2 i know the sizing for m.2 but i dont know like why...
Because M.2 is a form factor
that’s simply the form factor for that storage
brave brook
Let’s do dms. Someone answer her questions in DMs
lusty orchid
so when mbs list sata and m.2 i know the sizing for m.2 but i dont know like why...
because there are m.2 slots and sata ports on the mobo
brave brook
There’s too many people contributing
wintry fiber
brave brook
I’ll head out I guess. I could be doing other things. See y’all later. Ping me when there’s a component chosen and confirmed.
spare sedge
that’s simply the form factor for that storage
OHH so msata ISSS sata
latent blade
Ina sense yes
Just a different way of storage
spare sedge
so whats the difference between interface and form factor?
vast geyser
form factor is size
spare sedge
spare sedge
brave brook
Interface is how it connects
brave brook
What are the msata ssds
spare sedge
Interface is how it connects
ohhh okay
so like ik m.2 uses pcie
and so msata would mean normal ssds that arent m.2
brave brook
so like ik m.2 uses pcie
Usually
There are sata m.2’s but they’re stupid and not with the money
spare sedge
then i get to this
brave brook
Crop in the ssds too
brave brook
What are you asking
spare sedge
so form factor is the sizing and interface is the connection so like the port. ik sata is a port on the mb right
brave brook
Yes
spare sedge
ik pcie are ports too. or buses whatever
brave brook
There aren’t really pcie ports (ports imply a cable)
spare sedge
how is msata different from SATA 6.0
pearl heath
One is a connector, the other is a electrical communication standard
brave brook
Msata is e keyed m.2 right
pearl heath
No
brave brook
Yeah
pearl heath
It's a different connector entirely
pearl heath
Yep
SATA in a modern gaming build is, frankly, irrelevant
Especially one of this calibre
open iris
I don't think any build ever warrants it
brave brook
I mean, I have a sata ssd for my boot drive (because it was cheap a year and a half ago)
pearl heath
if you run out of m.2 slots
You can get 8TB M.2 SSDs, and cards which bifurcate an x16 slot into 4 m.2 slots
brave brook
And there’s no difference in os speed
brave brook
Why?
spare sedge
OHHHHH
brave brook
You want nvme m.2 anyway
spare sedge
is that why its called m.2 sata
its cause msata ISSS m.1 sata
so msata is just older then
brave brook
Idk
open iris
if you run out of m.2 slots
I guess if you're that much of a storage hoarder though it's time to embrace nashood
brave brook
But is irrelevant so don’t worry about it
spare sedge
I guess if you're that much of a storage hoarder though it's time to embrace nas...
lil nas x
pearl heath
its cause msata ISSS m.1 sata
What?
thin wasp
if you run out of m.2 slots
what mobo did they go with?
pure mica
what mobo did they go with?
She probably didn’t chose yet
vast geyser
what mobo did they go with?
dont know yet
brave brook
what mobo did they go with?
Undecided
thin wasp
i did they godlike mobo and its like 7 m.2 slots on it lol
brave brook
Not worth $1200
spare sedge
the godlike is also just a bad mb
brave brook
No, it’s not worth it
thin wasp
think of all the room for activities
spare sedge
its just stupid expensive without any rhyme or reason
brave brook
And any mb over $450 tbh
thin wasp
its just stupid expensive without any rhyme or reason
um it look cool thats the only reason i need
and it was exspensive too
another good reason for my build
brave brook
The budget is in fact, not yes for this build
open iris
And any mb over $450 tbh
Almost the price of my pc
thin wasp
The budget is in fact, not yes for this build
oh whats the budget?
spare sedge
well some have really special features that this new market doesnt offer all mbs like a post code. which used to be a standard but i think yeah you can get a post code for under $400 so yeah prolly no reason to go msi ace either
brave brook
oh whats the budget?
Like 7k or something
pure mica
well some have really special features that this new market doesnt offer all mbs...
I got both it good
thin wasp
Like 7k or something
oh i though it was like 20k
pure mica
oh i though it was like 20k
Originally
thin wasp
what happen....
spare sedge
its a black box 😭😭😭😭
brave brook
She thought the pc would cost 20k
spare sedge
pure mica
Look so good
brave brook
But they’re only like $5k
latent blade
We find a mb?
pure mica
We find a mb?
Na
spare sedge
We find a mb?
not yet
latent blade
Damn
spare sedge
spare sedge
heres my mb progress
spare sedge
She hasn't even dedicated form factor yet
form factor doesnt matter cause im happy with going atx if it is worth it
thin wasp
i need to make a new thread
spare sedge
but if the itx is better then ill just go itx
pearl heath
well some have really special features that this new market doesnt offer all mbs...
Do you need a post code?
vast geyser
its not better, its just smaller
brave brook
form factor doesnt matter cause im happy with going atx if it is worth it
Then let’s choose atx
open iris
none is strictly better though that's the thing
spare sedge
Do you need a post code?
yeah most likely
thin wasp
Do you need a post code?
post codes are really nice to have
vast geyser
Then let’s choose atx
grahhhh lancool 3 🦅 🦅
latent blade
but if the itx is better then ill just go itx
ATX is optimal for this setup
open iris
Thing is she wanted itx cause she's gonna live in a van
spare sedge
i might actually go itx and stomach the challenge of building in it
latent blade
Thing is she wanted itx cause she's gonna live in a van
Ok uh
Didn’t know that
pearl heath
post codes are really nice to have
They're nice to have but not absolutely necessary
spare sedge
because if something goes wrong its less risky.
latent blade
i might actually go itx and stomach the challenge of building in it
If you’ve never built before
I wouldn’t recommend it
pearl heath
i might actually go itx and stomach the challenge of building in it
Not really a challenge lol
latent blade
Do ATX starting off
vast geyser
its more of a challenge to find a 4090 that fits in an itx case
pearl heath
Just, forget about good calls management
open iris
matx would be a good middleground ngl
spare sedge
where as if something goes wrong in a custom water loop then you might actually lose parts right? or does one squirt not destroy the whole pc
pearl heath
its more of a challenge to find a 4090 that fits in an itx case
Pcpartpicker 🤷
vast geyser
its more of a challenge to find a 4090 that fits in an itx case
or an itx case that fits a 4090, actually
pearl heath
where as if something goes wrong in a custom water loop then you might actually ...
It can ruin components
latent blade
where as if something goes wrong in a custom water loop then you might actually ...
If you have no idea what your doing yeah it can
pearl heath
Please don't custom watercool
spare sedge
well thats why im looking more at aios
latent blade
that’s fine
spare sedge
and thats why im looking at itx because itx is not as hard as custom water looping
latent blade
Please don't custom watercool
I see the same horror you do lo
brave brook
For a first time builder, do not custom water cool
vast geyser
Pcpartpicker 🤷
idk how trustworthy it is tbh
spare sedge
also aio cooler is 100% compatible with vanlife
latent blade
and thats why im looking at itx because itx is not as hard as custom water loopi...
You can get AIO for a ATX
latent blade
also aio cooler is 100% compatible with vanlife
So would air cooling
brave brook
I think atx would be better for this build
latent blade
I think atx would be better for this build
almost like I already said this
brave brook
Yeah
brave brook
I just don’t want her to “look at itx”
vast geyser
idk how trustworthy it is tbh
like idk, i just have a tiny bit of a doubt
brave brook
And the sales volume of atx is so much higher
vast geyser
oh nvm, meshroom s might be doable
vast geyser
at least youre hopeful
latent blade
Once this build crumbles I’ll plan it out
I plan to completely redo my PC on DDR5 and all
but I’ll wait probably 1 or 2 nivida gens before I even touch my next build
violet cedar
Once this build crumbles I’ll plan it out
I plan to completely redo my PC on DD...
ayy same I can't justify a new build right now since I just got my 5900x a year ago.
latent blade
ayy same I can't justify a new build right now since I just got my 5900x a year ...
My overall build ain’t even a year old yet lol
I got a while
vast geyser
oh huh, theres 4090s that are 330m long
nvm easily doable
brave brook
Can we agree to atx form factor plz
latent blade
yes
violet cedar
My overall build ain’t even a year old yet lol
I got a while
the only thing I might change is gpu
latent blade
ah
vast geyser
yeah yeah ATX fr
latent blade
I mean everything but my PSU will change
violet cedar
lol 3070 vram is killing me so 4070ti most likely for my workflow and me cranking rtx to the max in 2 games I play
brave brook
lol 3070 vram is killing me so 4070ti most likely for my workflow and me crankin...
Nah wait for the 7700xt and 7800xt
pearl heath
ayy same I can't justify a new build right now since I just got my 5900x a year ...
I just upgraded from a 5600 to 5600X3D
violet cedar
Nah wait for the 7700xt and 7800xt
Can't lol
I work with RED footage
sooo pretty much stuck with nvdia' shit
pure mica
F
violet cedar
yep an editors nightmare and also I have 500$ worth of premire titles, transitions, luts soo there is that
more costly if I wanna move to davinci
brave brook
@spare sedge can we agree to atx form factor
spare sedge
<@841694455747706911> can we agree to atx form factor
thats really hard now
cause im leaning more towards itx
brave brook
Why
spare sedge
cause its smaller
pure mica
Vanlife
brave brook
But there’s way fewer options
vast geyser
thin wasp
eatx form factor
brave brook
cause its smaller
How big is your van
pure mica
eatx form factor
Got that msi ace and godlike 
thin wasp
Got that msi ace and godlike <:KEKW:670048864052445204>
i did the godlike
pure mica
i did the godlike
I got both don’t ask why lol
thin wasp
I got both don’t ask why lol
trust me im the last person that would ask why
spare sedge
lmao
open iris
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/4cMv6h hm
This case might be annoying for a first build
vast geyser
yeah prob
pure mica
trust me im the last person that would ask why
Hehehe cause they look good… is one raison
thin wasp
i spend $300 on the coolent alone for my pc
spare sedge
im okay with annoying building time
pure mica
i spend $300 on the coolent alone for my pc
That my man
brave brook
This case might be annoying for a first build
Which is why, atx
Question dream, why do you want van life
pure mica
Free of moving where she want probably
vast geyser
do we know anything about the size of the van though
brave brook
do we know anything about the size of the van though
I asked the size
pure mica
do we know anything about the size of the van though
Nope
brave brook
Didn’t see probably even though I did a reply-mention
brave brook
Yeah
open iris
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/4cMv6h hm
Nvm it's fine
brave brook
@spare sedge how big is your van
pearl heath
Goodness at this point let's just stick to ITX much to their future-self's pain
open iris
I thought they used an atx case
thin wasp
That my man
have you seen my build yet?
thin wasp
technically its not done yet
open iris
Which that case can actually do
vast geyser
I thought they used an atx case
nah thats itx
pure mica
have you seen my build yet?
Na sadly you can dms me it
open iris
Or at least I'm pretty sure that's the meshroom one thaat supports atx
One of them do
Evej tho it's an itx case
vast geyser
You just gotta dismantle the entire thing first <:KEKW:670048864052445204>
as with most itx cases that are easy to build in
vast geyser
being able to tear apart the case seems much better
spare sedge
probably something like this
which is why it doesnt matter if i go atx
but its not optimal
brave brook
Just find a relatively small atx case
spare sedge
what is u.2
vast geyser
someone in tech chat already responded
it really doesnt concern you
more of server type of thing
spare sedge
i still dont get it
pearl heath
U.2 is just a connector that ferries a PCIe x4 link, like what M.2 does
Except U.2 can do it over a cable
spare sedge
wait are all m.2 x4?
spare sedge
oh some are x2 or x8
so why is u.2 named like m.2 is there any relation
ik the u doesnt stand for anything
m stands for mini
brave brook
what is u.2
Had this conversation already
spare sedge
okay i know the full history of storage devices up until ssds
vast geyser
ok
pure mica
Good … and you dont need to know it to build a pc
spare sedge
ig before cd there was laser disk and thats when optical drives started
thats why c stands for compact
spare sedge
Good … and you dont need to know it to build a pc
yeah but figuring at the hard stuff is too hard
so figuring out the easy stuff is easier and then it makes the hard stuff less hard
also declutters the overwhelming amount of info
im not overwhelmed but when i look at pcpp idek what im looking at
i still dont
but im getting there
pearl heath
The thing is, you didn't need to know how a HDD works, or why an SSD is better, that could be learned after the fact
We use our collective knowledge to make sure you get the best PC for your money, and you can then use said PC to learn about the whys and the hows and the whens
spare sedge
im just trying to figure out the storage options. it cant be helped what google throws at me
or what chat gpt throws at me
the irony is that you know what to search cause you already know
the irony is that i wont know how to fully read pcpp until the build is already over
and pcpp is the only option
i also know what came before hdds now
pearl heath
Well each column of pcpp does have a header that explains what said column is, and then you can Google the header name if more information is needed
pearl heath
so why is u.2 named like m.2 is there any relation
No relation
spare sedge
i just dont know what happened after ssds. i was alive and around. but how did we go from ssd to m.2
pearl heath
U.2 used to be called SFF-8639 and that's hard to remember
spare sedge
there must have been a big switch in the last 10 years
cause now everyone is doing m.2
and depending on who you ask, its either a standard or a premium
pearl heath
i just dont know what happened after ssds. i was alive and around. but how did w...
2.5" form factor can't fit easily in thin laptops
M.2 is small
SSDs start being produced in the M.2 form factor
Everyone else realises it's better
Everyone now wants M.2 SSDs
pearl heath
there must have been a big switch in the last 10 years
No big switch, just gradual upgrades
spare sedge
U.2 used to be called SFF-8639 and that's hard to remember
i saw that on the wikipedia in tech chat. so they renamed it to u.2 and its just a coincidence it looks like a similar name to m.2
so the relation to "sff cases" must also be a coincidence too then?
pearl heath
M.2 used to be called NGFF but that doesn't roll off the tongue nicely
And it was made as a storage-specific connector
pearl heath
so the relation to "sff cases" must also be a coincidence too then?
What relation?
spare sedge
im saying im guessing there is no relation
pearl heath
M.2 is a connector for M.2 SSDs
It has no relation to case size
spare sedge
i just know u.2 is sff and there are sff cases. but im guessing they arent related at all
pearl heath
U.2 is not SFF related in any way
U.2 is just another connector standard
It's like describing USB type B as SFF
There's not really a relation there at all
Plus, SFF just means Small Form Factor
It's an incredibly vague term that massively depends on context
The current context in this thread being cases
SFF cases implies a small case, which implies mATX and ITX form factors
spare sedge
U.2 is not SFF related in any way
ik now its not related to sff cases
i just meant that its old name was sff
does the sff in u.2 stand for small form factor too
pearl heath
No
pearl heath
SSFWG is the group that decides the names of all the connectors related to SSDs
Their name stands for,
SSD Form Factor Working Group
SSF-8639 meaning, Solid State Formfactor-8639
spare sedge
so there is sata i which is 1.5gbps sata ii with 3gbps and sata iii with 6gbps?
and so 6gbps is the fastest right now
vast geyser
yea
pearl heath
And it is significantly slower than NVMe
spare sedge
but since m.2 doesnt use sata that means it doesnt matter
vast geyser
i mean...
pearl heath
M.2 is a connector
You mean an M.2 SSD
vast geyser
theres some m.2 sata ssds
pearl heath
Most M.2 SSDs you get nowadays use the NVMe protocol, but you can still get some that use the SATA protocol
spare sedge
what is nvme and how is it related to m.2 and ssd and pcie since m.2 uses pcie.
big confused on that
pearl heath
M.2 uses PCIe via NVMe
spare sedge
OH so nvme is the bus???
pearl heath
PCIe is the electrical connection, M.2 is the physical connection
lusty orchid
probably something like this
tbh before building a pc to go into this, you need to sort out your power system inside it, only after you know how much what you're running in side it is going to take, then you should figure out what pc to build
pearl heath
NVMe is the bus driver
pearl heath
NVMe is a protocol
vast geyser
whats the point in putting a pc in such a small van though
pearl heath
I do not want to define protocol here so have fun learning about that
pearl heath
whats the point in putting a pc in such a small van though
Because they live in the van
Or at least, want to
spare sedge
so pcie is still the bus but the bus driver is nvme cause i know the bud driver comes before the bus and after the device driver
vast geyser
weird ass van to live in
lusty orchid
having to high end a system in such a build could just nuke the power every time
pearl heath
so pcie is still the bus but the bus driver is nvme cause i know the bud driver ...
I meant bus driver in terms of an analogy, not literally
spare sedge
weird ass van to live in
this is p much top tier in vanlife
okay so just pcie lanes. and nvme bus
pearl heath
PCIe is an electrical bus that you can plug into and talk to other devices with
NVMe is the protocol, the words used with which you transfer data
spare sedge
im gonna look it up but do you have a good way of explaining protocol in your own words
like what is a protocol
lusty orchid
weird ass van to live in
not really, you could set a van up like a smaller RV/campervan with almost all the mod-cons, but at the same time you can be fairly power limited
pearl heath
like what is a protocol
A set of rules for how devices connected to each other should talk to each other
spare sedge
so like how when ram or usb talk to the mb to agree on which speed to go at.
spare sedge
not really, you could set a van up like a smaller RV/campervan with almost all t...
ford transits / dodge ram promasters are huge. you might have to look at the picture again and really get an idea of the size.
i decided on not going with a schoolie / school bus because they eat up too much gas
and idk if i can do a toyota prius 2023
but a toyota prius 2023 is only 20k
pearl heath
so like how when ram or usb talk to the mb to agree on which speed to go at.
RAM talks to the CPU, which then decides based on the BIOS settings
A USB port is connected to its controller, which is controlled by the BIOS
spare sedge
RAM talks to the CPU, which then decides based on the BIOS settings
A USB port i...
im asking if those are protocols
lusty orchid
ford transits / dodge ram promasters are huge. you might have to look at the pic...
i know how big ford transits are, as you have short wheel base, long wheel base, standard top and high top ones
pearl heath
Well, USB controller talks with the BIOS via the PCIe protocol, connected with a PCIe lane
spare sedge
i know how big ford transits are, as you have short wheel base, long wheel base,...
yeah some can get kind of small but most of them are huge
pearl heath
RAM and CPU interactions are... Hm, don't know how to explain
The '''protocol''' for that is just how the CPU does it
It uses a protocol, sure, but not one that we can name
spare sedge
thats fine i dont want to memorize the protocols. but i definitely have a good idea of what a protocol is now
its like boundaries 💅
lusty orchid
still though, you seem to be aiming for a high powered system, while not taking in consideration how much draw it will be when it comes to how you'll have the power setup
pearl heath
It's more like
You know how you have to capitalise the start of your sentence and use punctuation? The rules of the English language? That would be the protocol of the English language
Protocol and rules are interchangeable words in this context ig
spare sedge
makes sense to me
spare sedge
still though, you seem to be aiming for a high powered system, while not taking ...
its because im actually not worried about power draw and its completely doable
at first i was a little worried
but now im like 95% not worried
in fact. i could do more and still be okay
pearl heath
Well a 4090 and 7800X3D/13900ks will draw about 700-900W depending on what you're doing with it
So keep that in mind ig
vast geyser
7950x3d*
spare sedge
yeah but thats also kind of a misnomer cause how often is it drawing 900w
vast geyser
yeah.... remember what i was saying about power limiting the 4090 to 60%?
lusty orchid
its because im actually not worried about power draw and its completely doable
i know it's do-able, just what inverter will you be using to power it all?
pearl heath
Whenever you're doing something stressful
For the 4090, during games
For the 7950X3D, expect maybe 80-120W in games ish? And more than 180W under a full load
spare sedge
i know it's do-able, just what inverter will you be using to power it all?
solar panel
pearl heath
The 4090 by default will draw up to 450W or 600W depending on how many power cables you choose to plug in
vast geyser
yeah.... remember what i was saying about power limiting the 4090 to 60%?
might be a good idea lel
lusty orchid
solar panel
yes, and you'll be converting DC power produced by the solar panel via an inverter, which has a maximum output
spare sedge
idk which one im getting yet lol if thats what you are asking
pearl heath
but is that like 200W p second or
Watts is a measure that implies per second already
spare sedge
Watts is a measure that implies per second already
okay that was my next guess
lusty orchid
500w/1kw/1.5kw/2kw/3kw/6kw
pearl heath
Meaning a 7950X3D and 4090 can draw upwards of 800W
And you will have to deal with that somehow
Consider the heat output of the system too, the inside of a van is a small space and will easily get hot with that much power getting dumped into it
lusty orchid
also the peak power of an inverter isn't the same as the sustained power an inverter does
spare sedge
so i looked into vanlife compatibility and everything seems more than okay
in winter i might even be able to get away with less heating
pearl heath
And in summer?
lusty orchid
Consider the heat output of the system too, the inside of a van is a small space...
cooling wise, you can duct the case
spare sedge
someone else brought up the idle heat a couple days ago and the temp diff has virtually no impact even if you were in arizona or something
lusty orchid
though you'd want a less fancy case for that, i.e. fractal design c mesh for example
pearl heath
someone else brought up the idle heat a couple days ago and the temp diff has vi...
Well yeah
Cause at idle the system is drawing maybe 30W or less lol
spare sedge
no not that idle temp
lusty orchid
someone else brought up the idle heat a couple days ago and the temp diff has vi...
it's more heat while under load
spare sedge
i forget the word they used
pearl heath
Gaming on a hot day will be nightmarish with such a high power system dumping all that heat into a small space
vast geyser
i mean, doesnt simulating proteins or whatever require a constant load for quite some time or smth
spare sedge
but minute temperature increase of summer or a hotter location wouldnt impact the system is what im saying.
spare sedge
i mean, doesnt simulating proteins or whatever require a constant load for quite...
during the operation yes but not forever 24 / 7
what is SAS
SAS seems to be faster than sata
lusty orchid
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KLQcCJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fPzkcf/fractal-design-meshify-c-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3TQcCJ/darkflash-dlc29-atx-mid-tower-case-dlc29-black
cases i'd suggest to use tbh inside your van
vast geyser
pop air ❤️
lusty orchid
SAS seems to be faster than sata
it is but in your case, not usable unless you're setting up a server
lusty orchid
pop air ❤️
i suggest these as you could modify the van itself for it to sit in a predesigned bay that can be ducted to ventilate the system
helps get around any heating/cooling issues in regards to the pc
spare sedge
so the storage device type doesnt determine the speed. it is the connector that it plugs into
lusty orchid
so the storage device type doesnt determine the speed. it is the connector that ...
both in some cases
spare sedge
both in some cases
how so
lusty orchid
some storage devices can be connected into a faster connector but not use the speed that connector has available to them
spare sedge
these cases look nice
lusty orchid
and some can't fit in anothers connector at all
vast geyser
the darkflash for example might be a bit too small for the 4090
lusty orchid
tbf, i wouldn't go with a 4090 in a pc that's going in a van
spare sedge
too late
vast geyser
ok but like
out of high end gpus, 4090 can use the least power
and still be the best
lusty orchid
out of high end gpus, 4090 can use the least power
only if you undervolt it, but if all they're doing is 1080p/1440p it's kinda wasted performance
pearl heath
so the storage device type doesnt determine the speed. it is the connector that ...
The design of the device is what dictates what speed they want it to run at
spare sedge
here is the dimensions of the suprim liquid x
280 x 140 x 43
280 is the length
in mm
pure mica
280 is the length
No shit
pearl heath
Use pcpartpicker and it'll verify compatibility for you
vast geyser
does it account for rad space
spare sedge
The design of the device is what dictates what speed they want it to run at
oh so the device type determines the connector anyway
lusty orchid
still would build the pc after figuring out the power setup of what will be in the van, getting the feeling a 6kw inverter will be needed to power everything
pearl heath
oh so the device type determines the connector anyway
Well you can't have an HDD with an M.2 connector
It would be extraordinarily impractical to make a flash drive with a SATA connector
lusty orchid
280 is the length
would fit in the darkflash easily
spare sedge
274 x 121 x 55 mm this is the rad
pearl heath
If I wanted to design a high speed, high capacity drive, I'd make a 3.5" SSD using the U.2 connector
If I wanted high speed and lowerish capacity, NVMe SSD with M.2 connector
...etc
lusty orchid
If I wanted to design a high speed, high capacity drive, I'd make a 3.5" SSD usi...
isn't there 3.5" ssd's that already do that but tbh runs no faster than a standard hdd
pearl heath
You would be correct
spare sedge
If I wanted to design a high speed, high capacity drive, I'd make a 3.5" SSD usi...
i keep seeing a lot of 2.5 and 3.5 form factors but what does that mean about the storage device
spare sedge
is bigger better
pearl heath
No
spare sedge
also what is pata
pearl heath
Just comes down to what they need for the design
PATA is old as hell, it predates SATA
It is also known as IDE
spare sedge
If I wanted to design a high speed, high capacity drive, I'd make a 3.5" SSD usi...
then why use 3.5 over 2.5 and why do u.2 over m.2
pearl heath
U.2 uses a cable and allows you to have the drive far away from the connector on the motherboard
spare sedge
PATA is old as hell, it predates SATA
why does it have pins
pearl heath
3.5" allows larger drives for more storage space
lusty orchid
also what is pata
it's an ancient ide drive, older than many people who have joined this discord
pearl heath
why does it have pins
SATA still has pins, they're just flat like USB
lusty orchid
SATA still has pins, they're just flat like USB
technically fingers/tabs
spare sedge
what devices are pata for
lusty orchid
but pata has like real pins?
yes, 40 of them
spare sedge
ik sata is for ssd
lusty orchid
ik sata is for ssd
for hdd as well
vast geyser
for rgb hubs as well
spare sedge
yes, 40 of them
this one has 44 pins. whats the number after 44pin mean? the 133?
lusty orchid
for rgb hubs as well
pumps too
pearl heath
but pata has like real pins?
Well, SATA still has real pins
spare sedge
im asking if pata has stick out pins
lusty orchid
this one has 44 pins. whats the number after 44pin mean? the 133?
the 133 basically is the data speed
spare sedge
okayy
pearl heath
im asking if pata has stick out pins
The IDE connector is designed like that, yes
lusty orchid
for ide you had ata 100 and ata 133
pearl heath
PATA connector/interface
IDE is the protocol
spare sedge
for ide you had ata 100 and ata 133
also what's ata. like ata boiii?
pearl heath
ATA stands for AT Attachment
It's what WD and Compaq created to connect drives to IBM PC-compatible computers
AT stands for... Well, according to wiki it potentially stands for Advanced Technology but that has never been confirmed by IBM directly
spare sedge
ik s in sata stands for serial
pearl heath
P stands for parallel
Bunch of stupid letters, numbers, and confusion really just to describe how you move a bunch of 0s and 1s from storage to CPU and back again
spare sedge
so that ata is the same ata in pata and sata
pearl heath
Yes
spare sedge
pata probably is older for magnetic storage where the "tubing" goes in and comes back out side by side maybe
and sata is probably more like that mercury pulse thing
pearl heath
Eeehhhhhh no
lusty orchid
so that ata is the same ata in pata and sata
yes, more or less denotes the cable for use for the drive when it came to old ide drives
pearl heath
PATA was used for most storage, SATA is used for most storage
pearl heath
More specifically, PATA was specifically used for HDDs
But not those that early lol
PATA is used for your standard 5.25" and 3.5" HDDs
lusty orchid
ata133 cables where 80 strand ribbon cables connected to a 40 pin connector, ata100 where 40 strand ribbon cables connected to a 40pin connector
pearl heath
The occasional 2.5" HDD and maybe CF cards too
spare sedge
core memory is insane to me
lusty orchid
still it's that old now, you'll never use it
pearl heath
And ancient enough that you really should marvel at it in a museum
spare sedge
but ive heard people tell me to do a ssd + hdd set up
vast geyser
but ive heard people tell me to do a ssd + hdd set up
maybe 5 years ago when ssds were expensive
pearl heath
You use a HDD if you need more than 6TB of storage in a single drive lol
vast geyser
youre in the motherfuckin US, abuse that fact
spare sedge
maybe 5 years ago when ssds were expensive
that combo was a favorite a couple weeks ago on this server
vast geyser
it never was
vast geyser
maybe not never, but def not recent
vast geyser
hdd is pointless, might be an issue in a van
cause i dont think hard drives like when being moved around constantly
spare sedge
it was recent. the reason was cause the ssd would be faster and then the hdd would have a lot of capacity
spare sedge
cause i dont think hard drives like when being moved around constantly
yeah ik that
pearl heath
Do you think you'll need more than 4TB of capacity?
vast geyser
why are 4tb drives so cheap
pearl heath
What do you intend to do with your PC, please remind me
Just gaming? Some light editing? Coding? Making music?
spare sedge
ai + protein
vast geyser
folding and boincing
pearl heath
Likely wont need any more than 3TB if I was guessing generously
spare sedge
whats the largest
vast geyser
a 4TB ssd is $140, seems worth
spare sedge
i saw hdds have 22tb
pearl heath
The largest M.2 SSD is 8TB
pure mica
i saw hdds have 22tb
Hdd with van life isn’t a good idea
vast geyser
The largest M.2 SSD is 8TB
(which are $800)
spare sedge
i know how to use my budget. i wont go an industrial m.2 that has 16tb or something for $40,000
pearl heath
No such M.2 drive exists
vast geyser
No such M.2 drive exists
you havent looked on aliexpress enough
spare sedge
i wonder what industrial has
pearl heath
M.2 caps out at 8TB, there is simply not enough space on the PCB to fit more chips lol
They have some extremely non-standard drives using an M.2 connector that will not fit in any consumer motherboard
lusty orchid
And ancient enough that you really should marvel at it in a museum
i'd rather marvel at the storage drive from a nasa spacecraft, being able to see physical bits ftw
lusty orchid
i saw hdds have 22tb
wouldn't touch any hdd over 18tb tbh, and even then as it's in a van it wouldn't be wise to go for
vast geyser
only 3 of those psus left in stock btw
spare sedge
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gZhtgB
this is the closest pcpp that ive seen to what my actual build will look like
vast geyser
😭
pearl heath
Just need to decide on a motherboard and microatx case then ig
open iris
whats the solution to capacity
more ssds
lusty orchid
spare sedge
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XCNP34
i probably wont go for the 7800 just cause i wont be gaming only
lusty orchid
i probably wont go for the 7800 just cause i wont be gaming only
then get a 7900/7900x
spare sedge
the 7900 is outdated
vast geyser
huh
spare sedge
and the 7900x is too
pearl heath
Outdated is the wrong word
lusty orchid
nope it's not
pearl heath
It is poor value for money
spare sedge
the 7950x is better
spare sedge
yeah okay wrong word
but this is my first
but like 7900x is like not an option for me
7950x is an option
pearl heath
If you even want to do a smidge of gaming you can make the 7950X3D worth it
spare sedge
better bang for your buck than the 7950x3d
vast geyser
uh idk about bang for your buck and 7950x3d belong in the same sentence
spare sedge
If you even want to do a smidge of gaming you can make the 7950X3D worth it
i do. i want to game and stream and vtube
pearl heath
Then the 7950X3D is significantly better for you
spare sedge
uh idk about bang for your buck and 7950x3d belong in the same sentence
i was literally saying the 7950x is a better price / perf than the 7950x3d. cause the 7950x3d is overpriced but im going for it in terms of my use case
i could go heavier into workstation but i dont think i want to
the 13900k and ks are better than the 7950x in that regard
lusty orchid
better bang for your buck than the 7950x3d
what country?
lusty orchid
tbf at current pricing, the 7900 is a tempting offer
spare sedge
ehh idk much about lower budget builds lol. i wouldnt recommend the 7900 to anyone but thats just me
lusty orchid
7900x = $405, 7900 = $419
spare sedge
lol i wonder why its more expensive
pearl heath
rauko
this person's build makes little sense in terms of budgeting (as in, they have an unlimited budget)
spare sedge
7k budget
vast geyser
basically unlimited
spare sedge
but i might change it do 5k now
a big reason i said 7k tho is cause i dont have a monitor
lusty orchid
rauko
this person's build makes little sense in terms of budgeting (as in, they ...
makes even less sense for a build going in a van tbh
spare sedge
at all
spare sedge
makes even less sense for a build going in a van tbh
this statement makes no sense
vast geyser
really putting a lot of trust in that trucks ability to provide power
spare sedge
the 7950x3d is almost on par with the 7800x3d for power
spare sedge
really putting a lot of trust in that trucks ability to provide power
i already did the research. it wouldnt be the trucks power lol
lusty orchid
really putting a lot of trust in that trucks ability to provide power
850w-1kw system, that's going to tax any inverter that's not 3kw minimum
vast geyser
(please power limit the 4090)
lusty orchid
definitely would need a 4-5 battery battery bank
giving what other electrical devices would be in the van itself
i.e tv/monitor, possible microwave, pumps
spare sedge
no microwave
idk what pumps are
but yeah i do plan on building an oven with a chimney and probably a shower
lusty orchid
idk what pumps are
devices for circulating liquids like water
lusty orchid
but yeah i do plan on building an oven with a chimney and probably a shower
shower requires a heating element + pump
spare sedge
might try to fit a new tv into it but i might do a projector isntead
lusty orchid
the heating element itself is 1-2kw alone
spare sedge
without any sources or examples the most i can do is take it with a grain of salt
ive seen plenty of people do it. im not worried at all
lusty orchid
search up electric showers
spare sedge
no i dont need to do that rn
spare sedge
im not saying i dont believe you on the heating element power draw lmao
im saying my pc shouldnt have a problem running at all
lusty orchid
and i've not said that it isn't do-able, but from a power delivery perspective, definitely getting the feeling a 6kw inverter will be needed
lusty orchid
it turns dc power to AC power
spare sedge
i hear about those all the time
lusty orchid
so 12v into 120v in your case
spare sedge
and i always mix them up
lusty orchid
converter = makes bigger into smaller, inverter = makes smaller into bigger
spare sedge
converter = makes bigger into smaller, inverter = makes smaller into bigger
this changes everything
lusty orchid
i'm no expert in it, just learnt bits from reading up and working on my own design for an offgrid powered shed
spare sedge
if only i knew what bigger and smaller meant
green echo
this whole thread feels like some plan 8 year old me made up
pure mica
spare sedge
this whole thread feels like some plan 8 year old me made up
that would make complete sense if you knew me and my background
lusty orchid
if only i knew what bigger and smaller meant
simply DC voltage will be the smaller, and AC voltage will be the bigger
lusty orchid
yup
spare sedge
awesome got it
lusty orchid
and as your mains power (ac voltage) is generally 120v (though can be set up for 240v)
standard american mains point are set up for 2kw per outlet at max
which is part of why i'm asking about power setup in the van itself
spare sedge
so as far as im aware
the low sounding 400W solar panel doesnt matter cause thats only how fast it charges
and it still charges at night
and no weather conditions dont matter that much
as long as it wasnt night time for 7 days straight or something
you dont exactly need to be located at the equator
lusty orchid
and it still charges at night
they don't charge at night as such tbh, but 400w is a good panel size, you'd want 4 of them at least for on top of the van
i'd look at other brands for solar panels as well
brave brook
and it still charges at night
does it?
spare sedge
not as much
lusty orchid
night time a solar panel will reverse charge instead if there isn't a blocking diode built into the panel
spare sedge
but you still have power at night all night long
just learned more about nas and san
san is basically just industrial nas
lusty orchid
got the link for this ?
spare sedge
damn i dont
i closed out of it
but really the solar panel wattage isnt a huge concern
might even go 200w
400w is probably not worth it
brave brook
i closed out of it
History exists
spare sedge
the psu should be good enough for the pc
actually no
i have my history auto delete
spare sedge
im on laptop
but tbh it doesnt matter
its just any random solar panel online
"vanlife solar panel"
so not a backpack one lmao
orchid gate
Well PSU requires sufficient amount of power to provide its rating no?
pure mica
Ye
vast geyser
4090 sounds like 1000+W required
huh
orchid gate
Which even the 4070 Ti gobbles up
pure mica
4090 sounds like 1000+W required
Well that what i got with mine
brave brook
Ive heard 850, but 1000 would be best imo
vast geyser
Prove me wrong :p
it uses 400w max at full load
orchid gate
it uses 400w max at full load
Well for a full system build
vast geyser
again, max
orchid gate
I meant the PSU rating
vast geyser
a few percentages in efficiency wont make much of a difference
orchid gate
But at least this is ryzen platform
Few watts less (100W lower iirc) compared to Intel consumption
7950X3D does seem much more efficient than higher end Intel
brave brook
I think the 13900k is technically a 150w, but it probably turbos so high that the consumption goes up to 230
vast geyser
more
brave brook
Or is it 320
vast geyser
anyway, power limiting the 4090 is ❤️
orchid gate
Tell me otherwise but 7950x3D is rated 125W
lusty orchid
400w is probably not worth it
4x 400w = 1.6kw per hour generated under peak light conditions
brave brook
You might need that for overnight power, but idk I barely know anything about this stuff
lusty orchid
under lower light conditions it'll be around 800w per hour generated
well 800-1.3kw
using 200w panels would effectively mean needing more panels
brave brook
I’d rather get 400w and have less (with the option to add more)
lusty orchid
the solar panels while charging also offset some of the power draw from the inverter while in use for powering things like the pc, monitor/tv, shower etc
lusty orchid
I’d rather get 400w and have less (with the option to add more)
this is the better way of doing it
especially when peak power generated is such a shorter period compared to lower amounts of power generated happens
brave brook
You also need some big batteries
lusty orchid
You also need some big batteries
nope
brave brook
Well, it depends on your use case
lusty orchid
you can go with 100-140A batteries tbh and be fine, just have enough to act as a battery bank
spare sedge
so whats an esata
lusty orchid
comes down to whether you use lead acid, gel, agm or lipo
spare sedge
brave brook
That
vast geyser
the port for external hdds or ssds
brave brook
Sata but externally
lusty orchid
explained it to yourself there
spare sedge
explained it to yourself there
idk what this says tho
brave brook
Also the name….
lusty orchid
esata not worth doing in the long run
spare sedge
what do they look like
lusty orchid
E (external) sata
spare sedge
i thought regular sata was esata
lusty orchid
brave brook
what do they look like
Look it up. You can do it as fast as us
lusty orchid
i thought regular sata was esata
nope
sata does not do power over the data cable
Esata can do power as it can combine data and power on the cable, or you can use an external power source for the Esata drive
lusty orchid
the port for external hdds or ssds
optical drives also
brave brook
replaced by usb
lavish nexus
brave brook
https://tenor.com/view/tkkra-ugh-gif-21715060
What’s this about
lavish nexus
Thjs thread is still going 🤌🏻
brave brook
Yes, yes it is
lusty orchid
Thjs thread is still going 🤌🏻
some point, questions about the meaning of life will be asked
spare sedge
so i think i have found a good source for esata vs sata vs pata
spare sedge
some point, questions about the meaning of life will be asked
no i already figured that one out
to the bone
pearl heath
if your answer aint 42 you aren't having fun
pearl heath
Google the parts you don't understand
lavish nexus
some point, questions about the meaning of life will be asked
Quiet possibly
spare sedge
if your answer aint 42 you aren't having fun
this is a great answer
pearl heath
That's what we all did in order to get to where we are now
lusty orchid
if your answer aint 42 you aren't having fun
you legend
lavish nexus
Google the parts you don't understand
Whattttt nooo
pearl heath
And the occasional video watched
spare sedge
That's what we all did in order to get to where we are now
yeah cause you guys didnt have a you guys
brave brook
so i think i have found a good source for esata vs sata vs pata
Why does it matter
lusty orchid
And the occasional video watched
or a pc to work on and being thrown in at the deep end
lusty orchid
so i think i have found a good source for esata vs sata vs pata
and yet tbh none of these will matter for you as your system will be sata and m.2 only
spare sedge
yeah but its annoying when things pop up on pcpp
i guess there might be people out there who see stuff like this and just ignore it
that sounds so alien to me tho
brave brook
Just ignore it
spare sedge
too late lmao
but even if something comes up in the future for the next part
i doubt i will just ignore it
its like an itch and i just end up feeling like im in the dark if i dont tread into this carefully
lusty orchid
i guess there might be people out there who see stuff like this and just ignore ...
i see bios warnings all the time on pcpp, i have to ignore them
spare sedge
oh god that would make me freak the fuck out
lusty orchid
there's just other stuff you tend to fizzle out in the process
vast geyser
i guess there might be people out there who see stuff like this and just ignore ...
its like a check engine light
who cares
lusty orchid
its like a check engine light
when it's the oil, you care very fast
because that light turning on means you're way past the point you should have already filled it up
spare sedge
vast geyser
oh my god
lusty orchid
Esata on the right
spare sedge
which means that they really are just the cables / port
lusty orchid
though you'll never be using it
spare sedge
do mbs have esata ports?
lusty orchid
no
spare sedge
does esata just plug into sata port?
vast geyser
no
lusty orchid
does esata just plug into sata port?
it can if there is an esata port on the case
vast geyser
kinda rare
lusty orchid
no
yes, but only if it's on the case already
still though, something they're not going to be dealing with
spare sedge
so why choose an esata over sata
brave brook
Which is why ignore it
spare sedge
ik pata is dead. its a 90s thing
brave brook
So is esata
lusty orchid
so why choose an esata over sata
you don't
pearl heath
esata is also dead
vast geyser
go find something else to research
brave brook
It’s main purpose was combining sata data and data power (which usb does)
pearl heath
It's been dead for the past... 6 years ish?
vast geyser
use your time efficiently
lusty orchid
It's been dead for the past... 6 years ish?
yup
lusty orchid
reading up about usb C would be more productive than reading about esata let alone pata/ide
lusty orchid
it was huge
nope it was not
spare sedge
im already done with usbc
lusty orchid
considering there's a 34 pin and 40 ide cable
lusty orchid
and scsi (just as old as ide) is a much larger connection
sas is the modern scsi connection tbh
spare sedge
esata is also dead
oh really
spare sedge
so i think i have found a good source for esata vs sata vs pata
what is scsi?
forest totem
yeah cause you guys didnt have a you guys
I had plenty of tech friends around me, but still did a lot of research on my own because 1) I'm a naturally curious person and 2) friends are busy with their own lives too. 🙂 To be clear, nothing wrong with asking questions! That's how we better out knowledge. But it's crazy how much information is freely documented all over the internet today.
spare sedge
also how is esata faster than sata?
vast geyser
i basically had some common knowledge about pc parts
then joined ltt and bothered rauko a bit lel
spare sedge
and why does pata have so many names like ide and eide
pearl heath
The wikipedia article on PATA details the exact reasons to those questions
forest totem
also how is esata faster than sata?
It's not. It uses the same standard as internal SATA. Chipsets used to do SATA II 3gb/s, but pretty much everything switched to the faster SATA III 6gb/s in the last 10 ish years.
vast geyser
do i use sata 3?
pure mica
spare sedge
It's not. It uses the same standard as internal SATA. Chipsets used to do SATA I...
is sata iii the same as sata 3
vast geyser
is sata iii the same as sata 3
yes
spare sedge
cause if so what would sata 3.5 be
vast geyser
iii means 3
pure mica
is sata iii the same as sata 3
Yws
spare sedge
it looks like sata 3.5 is the newest one now
forest totem
is sata iii the same as sata 3
Depending on the manufacturer... "Yes." 😂 (Aka it should be, but manufacturers be dumb when it comes to marketing standards sometimes.)
open iris
is sata iii the same as sata 3
iii is just roman numerals
lusty orchid
what is scsi?
very old connection and a way to have more than 1 drive on a single header, it also had to be balanced, again old and outdated, and something you don't have to concern yourself with
spare sedge
so im guessing with ide. pata is the rename for ide. and they only renamed it to match sata which makes it a retro active name. but then what about eide?
lusty orchid
is sata iii the same as sata 3
yes, III = roman numerals for 3 as I = 1
spare sedge
iii is just roman numerals
iii.v
vast geyser
dream how tf do u always find these obscure technologies to ask abojt
spare sedge
sata iii.v
spare sedge
dream how tf do u always find these obscure technologies to ask abojt
pcpp tbh lol
vast geyser
you know you dont have to bother yourself with those, right
lusty orchid
it looks like sata 3.5 is the newest one now
nope. it's still just sata 3 in regards to data speeds
pale tendon
lusty orchid
pcpp tbh lol
doesn't mean you need to read nonsequential info like esata/pata
spare sedge
so newer mbs dont even have esata or pata anymore
pearl heath
Absolutely not
vast geyser
idk wtf i was typing
spare sedge
where is the sata located
pearl heath
Those technologies are extremely old and out of date
On the motherboard, usually along the edge
vast geyser
where is the sata located
right side of the motherboard
vast geyser
depends on the mobo ofc
spare sedge
and it just looks like an L tho
vast geyser
(manual wooooo)
spare sedge
and m.2 doesnt even use sata
spare sedge
so m.2 still uses sata protocol but not the connector
pearl heath
Some M.2 SSDs use the SATA protocol
spare sedge
but there are special m.2 ssds that use sata instead of nvme?
pearl heath
That is what I just said
spare sedge
there are m.2 sata ssds
but i was replying to this specifically
so nvme IS the weird little plug in thing with the screw that you tighten or whatever
vast geyser
so nvme IS the weird little plug in thing with the screw that you tighten or wha...
thats m.2 isnt it
pearl heath
Yes
spare sedge
and its not a pcie connector, but it uses pcie electrical lanes
pearl heath
Yes
spare sedge
and the nvme is electrical too but its apart of the protocol system which is apart of the whole cpu / chipset >> device driver >> bus driver >> bus system