♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[vast geyser]

yeah, thats the only reason to use capture cards

[open iris]

which would be more than enough for extra usb still

[violet cedar]

I can't really fit one in my pcie slots lol but external capture card mainly for my camera webcam

[spare sedge]

and now im realizing that they are called cards because they have always plugged into pcie

ngl. i kind of need a capture card

[brave brook]

I mean you could, but you’ll have to choose what you want to plug in, that’s what I meant

[spare sedge]

so that means probably 2 pcie slots for me

[violet cedar]

yea I got an elgato hd60s used a while back

[open iris]

do you actually tho

[vast geyser]

for what

[spare sedge]

i wanna stream those kinds of games

[brave brook]

No, you dont

[open iris]

what games

[vast geyser]

i can solve your issue

emulation

better experience, easier to do

[spare sedge]

maybe

[brave brook]

And you have enough performance for that

[spare sedge]

thats true

i always hated emulators because they ran like ass

[vast geyser]

you really dont need that much power for emulating games unless its switch or stuff

[spare sedge]

but ig now bluestacks should even be okay

maybe not tho

you never know with fucking bluestacks

[vast geyser]

wait, you want to stream android games?

[brave brook]

Yeah “enough” was sarcastic. It’s way more than enough performance

[spare sedge]

thatd be fun too

[vast geyser]

idk what mobile games you could ever play where bluestacks isnt enough

[brave brook]

Ewwwwwwwww, mobile

[vast geyser]

cause the intensive mobile games have pc versions

[spare sedge]

depends on the mobile game tho

[vast geyser]

ok like what can you even play

on mobile that isnt trash

(pokemon unite)

other than pokemon unite

[spare sedge]

streaming is so much more fluid than that tho

[open iris]

which is also trash

[vast geyser]

no it aint

[spare sedge]

artemis makes bank off just playing minesweeper

[vast geyser]

its a fun game

[brave brook]

And already has a substantial fanbase?

[spare sedge]

i wanna play the old megami tensei games on live stream

[vast geyser]

streaming really isnt about the quality
its about the personality

[spare sedge]

or even just super mario 2 land

and zelda 2

[vast geyser]

yeah, emulation

[spare sedge]

pokemon too

i think a big thing i wanna do. is release order streams

so play every game in a series but in release order

[vast geyser]

answer is the same

[vast geyser]

god of war ❤️

[spare sedge]

maybee

[brave brook]

Your 4090 will emulate ez

[open iris]

even if you were gonna play all these on og hardware

youd need an external one anyway

[brave brook]

That too

[spare sedge]

whats the external one

[open iris]

sooooooooooo you dont need a pcie one

a pcie capture card is literally just for recording your pc

[vast geyser]

usb one

[open iris]

https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/comments/rzrm43/installed_a_capture_card_and_usbc_receptacle_into/ damn this is kinda cool

[vast geyser]

lol thats sick

[spare sedge]

oh okay

is it better than OBS

[vast geyser]

uh

[glacial schooner]

its like a second pc

[open iris]

only if you have a seperate streaming pc

[glacial schooner]

like dual pc recording

wait what

[brave brook]

OBS is all you need

[glacial schooner]

i thought u can use it on the same pc

[open iris]

you can

but i meant its only better if you use it on a second one

[glacial schooner]

well ur using a 4090

im pretty sure?

yeah

[open iris]

and shes not building 2 pcs

so its useless

[glacial schooner]

yeah

[vast geyser]

building 2 pcs for part time streaming is so unhinged

[glacial schooner]

fr

[open iris]

its overkill for most streamers in general

[vast geyser]

if youre xqc level of streaming, sure

[spare sedge]

what is xqc

[open iris]

thats a good one

hes a twitch and well now/kick streamer

one of the biggest in the world

[spare sedge]

you can get a 2nd pc for streaming?

so OBS is better than capture cards

[open iris]

yes

a 2nd pc is basically so you dont lose any performance while streaming

[spare sedge]

wow

[open iris]

lets you maximise your streams quality and games quality

[spare sedge]

so 2nd pc is top tier then

[vast geyser]

100% not needed

[spare sedge]

but still the best

[vast geyser]

especially if you stream on youtube, which has av1

[open iris]

quicksync on intel cpus also makes streaming way less demanding

[spare sedge]

so whats runner up to a 2nd pc then

[vast geyser]

ok but like game quality? its a 4090, you can run any game at 4K max settings and have plenty of fps to spare

(except cp2077 path tracing but thats so dumb)

[open iris]

not when youre also trying to stream it at 4k

[spare sedge]

maybe not cyberpunk with max settings + RT

[vast geyser]

who the fuck streams at 4K though

[open iris]

actually does any streaming platform even support 4k

[spare sedge]

thats like 30 - 60 fps

[vast geyser]

oh it def can, unless you turn on path tracing

[open iris]

not even just 4k if you want to stream it at really high bitrate

[spare sedge]

all ik is rt drops it to like 50 fps

which is probably not enough after streaming

[vast geyser]

then you turn on DLSS and get to 70

[vast geyser]

its really not that big of a performance hit

[spare sedge]

but isnt that cheating.

[open iris]

anyway dual pcs isnt something you gotta worry about

[vast geyser]

DLSS2 is free fps

[spare sedge]

so is obs or capture card better

[vast geyser]

it actually sometimes even looks better than native

[open iris]

obs really

[spare sedge]

so then whats the point of a capture card

[open iris]

streaming other devices that arent your pc

or if you have a second pc for streaming

[spare sedge]

so a capture card wouldnt minimize performance loss

like how a 2nd pc would

[open iris]

yes

[brave brook]

Bottom line is, don’t need one

[spare sedge]

does it mitigate some that obs cant

[open iris]

btw forgot to mention is also have to take into account they are also usually streaming high quality audio and camera video, its not just the game

[vast geyser]

oh cool cool

[spare sedge]

but you cant run a capture card unless you have thee dgpu also plugged in

[open iris]

yes

[spare sedge]

meaning that if you want one. youll always need 2 slots basically

[vast geyser]

like i said, 2nd pcs are fine if youre that high level of a streamer

[open iris]

but wouldnt make sense on a single pc

[vast geyser]

games that do well are esports anyway so lel

[open iris]

yeah

i mean mizkif is like one of the biggest streamers on twitch and he uses 1 pc

[spare sedge]

whats frame gen

[open iris]

uh

ai makes frames

[brave brook]

Dlss 3.0

[spare sedge]

so just dlss

why not just say dlss lol

[brave brook]

With extra frames

[open iris]

because

[brave brook]

It’s not just upscaling lower res images, it’s adding frames that weren’t rendered

[open iris]

dlss is also the dumbest name nvidia uses

they should just label the dlss versions by the actually features they add

[spare sedge]

thats just what dlss is

i already know about ai frames

[open iris]

like why the fuck are they calling ray reconstruction dlss 3.5 just makes shit confusing

and how gpus can support dlss 3.5 but not 3

[brave brook]

Dlss 3.0 is specifically frame gen

[open iris]

obviously

[spare sedge]

i didnt know dlss had different versions / gens

whats the best one

[brave brook]

2.0 imo, frame gen has artifacts and higher latency

[spare sedge]

so the newest isnt the best

whats the newest one

[open iris]

3.5

[spare sedge]

okayy

[open iris]

which all rtx gpus can get

but all rtx gpus cant have frame gen

cause naming

[vast geyser]

latency is the least of issues

[brave brook]

Yeah

[vast geyser]

dlss 3.5 isnt frame gen

[open iris]

im awar

e

im jsut complaining that the naming is dumb

[vast geyser]

true yeah

[fallow fiber]

Oh wow we got past the stage where dream was talking to herself BC everyone was fed up

[brave brook]

Lol

[fallow fiber]

what the fuck is this emoji what

[open iris]

fsr 3.0 will do it better 🙄

[vast geyser]

surely

[brave brook]

Nice

[open iris]

at least its for everyone

[fallow fiber]

Fsr 4.0 when

[vast geyser]

after dlss 4 releases

[open iris]

the guy who i was meant to buy my 5700xt hasnt responded to me so im stuck with my 1060

[vast geyser]

since amd is never the first at anything

[open iris]

im gonna need all the help i can get

[fallow fiber]

Not for 600 and 700 series lll

[fallow fiber]

Sad

[fallow fiber]

What price?

[open iris]

was 100 euro

[vast geyser]

damn

[open iris]

just sent this and no response

though he couldve just fixed his issue

he said he was only selling it cause of driver problems

literally his problem could be fixed in a single google search

[brave brook]

Wait is that you or him

[vast geyser]

im confused

[open iris]

him

[brave brook]

So he’s trying to fix it?

[open iris]

^ so im guessing he solved it

[brave brook]

Oh ok

[spring wraith]

except for thunderbolt

yeah using an external dac makes sense but thats about it

• the apple dongle exists

[lavish nexus]

For the price you pay just buy a slightly higher end board with good audio

[pearl heath]

No such motherboard exists

There is so such thing as 'good' onboard audio if you want to go down that rabbit hole

[open iris]

Mb and good audio

[brave brook]

Which basically doesn’t exist for amd

[lavish nexus]

Depends on what you consider good audio lol

My mobo has optical and 4-5 audio jacks for various things and it sounds very crisp

I’d have absolutely no reason to get a card

[spring wraith]

it exists on the taichi

[spring wraith]

no lol the apple dongle is $7 and will beat like any onboard audio

[spring wraith]

most mbs have good audio

the ALC1220 and ALC4080 or whatever are perfectly flat iirc

[vast geyser]

i surely need that for my cloud 2

[spring wraith]

you might if your onboard dac has rolloff

or other coloration

[vast geyser]

like i know what that means

[haughty quail]

Damn yall still here?

[vast geyser]

its alc897 or whatever

[spring wraith]

where it cant reproduce either super high freqs or super low ones

[vast geyser]

bottom of the barrel

[spring wraith]

should be fine idk

[spring wraith]

if u think this thread is stupid how about you dont click on it

[vast geyser]

meh, idc anyway

[lavish nexus]

Talking about dedicated DAC and PCIe sound cards

[haughty quail]

Nah i mean irs just been so long

Ive seen most of it happen too

[spring wraith]

so go away

[vast geyser]

no you havent

[spring wraith]

if you care

[haughty quail]

I saw the first thread

[vast geyser]

and?

[haughty quail]

Chill bro

[solar cliff]

Ey TF2 Scout, whats your favourite type of Pizza

[haughty quail]

Idk pepperoni

[solar cliff]

newyork style or chicago

[haughty quail]

Idk newyork style ig

[solar cliff]

oo, Whats your favourite food

[haughty quail]

Idk

[solar cliff]

Italian french etc. etc.

[haughty quail]

Idk

[solar cliff]

pick.

[haughty quail]

IDK

LEMME PLAY CSGO 😠

[solar cliff]

No

[solar cliff]

Pick!

[haughty quail]

no

[spare sedge]

i think im gonna watch videos on raid while im at work

[vast geyser]

no point honestly

[pearl heath]

Do not bother with RAID

It is not worth it

[vast geyser]

@spare sedge i have news

new rog x evangelion stuff

[brave brook]

“basically doesn’t exist”

[open iris]

purple was better

[lavish nexus]

the aio doesn't look like it'd cool the greatest w those fans

[open iris]

like you can afford an expensive cpu after buying these

[solar cliff]

Don’t rush them or they’ll have to start all over

[solar cliff]

Purple ftw

[modest valve]

Its an rog ryujin i think

It can cool a 13900k

[lavish nexus]

Not saying it won't but the pitch of the fans sorta lets you know they care more of aesthetics then cooling. They look like average case fans

[solar cliff]

@spare sedge have you considered the graphs youre loooking at might not be well adjusted for the conditions you expecct this computer to run at

Like moisture, humidity, temperature, etc. etc. etc.

[brave brook]

Are you actually trying to help? Literally none of that matters. With a 360mm AIO on the 7950x3d, and the 4090 overbuilt coolers, neither will come close to thermal throttling

[solar cliff]

How do you know

Source?

There is absolutely 0 way you know.

Watched LTT Today where they talk about 2 of the same pcs with very different performance @spare sedge this is also smt to consider

In wanshoow

[lavish nexus]

well the 13900k can be cooled by even moderately priced 360 aios and it runs hotter then the 7950x3d so... And why would they put air coolers on a 4090 if the air coolers wouldn't cool them

[solar cliff]

Im not sure if creeperboy you have the qualifications to help here anymore.

I think you shouldnt reply here without some factual proof.

[solar cliff]

You don't know that. You think that

[lavish nexus]

No i do know that

I have friends with the hardware so

[solar cliff]

@spare sedge I think you should spend a week looking at what your conditions will affect the Pc build

[solar cliff]

And?

[brave brook]

Linus tested the ROG 4090 in his testing chamber. I forget the “ambient temp” but it was incredibly high. The liquid suprim is pretty equivalent. Also, the 7950x3d’s 130w tdp will mean any 360mm aio (which are usually 250W) will cool it just fine

[lavish nexus]

And they cool fine...

[orchid gate]

No the I/O is literally on the GPU, and for diagnostic reasons you’d use motherboard graphic I/O

[solar cliff]

That 4090 might be, a different one might not be

[solar cliff]

Mhmmm. Sure

Proof: Trust me bro

[brave brook]

ALL 4090’s have overbuilt coolers

[solar cliff]

Mhmmm sure.

[brave brook]

No u

[lavish nexus]

Dude linus has literally made videos on the 4090s cooling and gamers nexus reviews loads of 360 aios and tests them on the 7950x3d and the 13900k....

[orchid gate]

Just remember pokey that people like him write the proofs

[lavish nexus]

you should dumb

[orchid gate]

so you’re still listening to another human being

[solar cliff]

Yeah we cant trust on proofs anymore. We need a deep view into how this data was gathered

[plain matrix]

Pokey has to be trolling

[solar cliff]

@spare sedge you should look more into this

[brave brook]

Pokey, if you’re not going to contribute, don’t msg here

[lavish nexus]

Maybe by testing it and looking at the temp sensors wonder if that'd be a sound idea

[solar cliff]

Stop dming things irrelevant to this forum now.

[plain matrix]

4090 can very easily be air cooled, it's very efficient

[solar cliff]

I think you're trolling with your answers

[brave brook]

Asking about humidity and air temp literally is irrelevant

[solar cliff]

Mhmmm sure

You're alsoo irrelevant yet here we are

talking about you

[orchid gate]

He’s not. Just has some attitude

[plain matrix]

A nobody on discord calling someone irrelevant

[orchid gate]

still rather knowledgeable

[brave brook]

You have no idea how much I fucking contributed here. Don’t tell me I’m fucking irrelevant

[solar cliff]

How much have you contributed. Tell me then go on

[orchid gate]

What you remember may not be what’s relevant (especially in the case of bad students), just because no names are mentioned in OPs answers doesn’t mean he didn’t contribute

[brave brook]

Search my name, and see

[orchid gate]

I’ll do the same for pokey lmao

[plain matrix]

This dude is definitely a kid

[solar cliff]

Why dont you do it

[plain matrix]

You should be doing your homework

[solar cliff]

I think you should be

[orchid gate]

Man’s given no technical knowledge whatsoever

[solar cliff]

Exactly correct

[orchid gate]

Just one word, one sentence posts

[plain matrix]

You suck at this

[orchid gate]

Mb wrong person

@solar cliff I meant you

[solar cliff]

I dont need explanations to my answers. They are meticulously crafted for each person.

Learn from https://shortlinus.com/

[orchid gate]

First two pages of search are just your argument, rest are one word comments and an attempt to insult

[solar cliff]

Attempt to insult who

i did that?

[orchid gate]

Lmao

[solar cliff]

deleted it? odd.

[orchid gate]

warship

[solar cliff]

Sure

[orchid gate]

does that to censored stuff

[solar cliff]

mhmm

Sureeee

[orchid gate]

#1139391773253316608 message

Check it yourself

And you do know of warship, you placed a strategic space in the word

[solar cliff]

Si means And, and mp was a missspelling of my

[plain matrix]

Sure jan

[orchid gate]

Sure man

[solar cliff]

Yep

Glad you agree

Now that we are on the same page

[orchid gate]

you can buzz off

[solar cliff]

you can go ahead do that

[plain matrix]

How long till this dude gets booted for being a nuisance?

[orchid gate]

Ladies and gentlemen this is 60 minutes broadcast, thank you for listening and good night

[solar cliff]

Not sure Grel has been here foor a bit so far

[solar cliff]

you're headed off? See ya

[orchid gate]

I can stand for myself, been here since this was created

[solar cliff]

Same i saw the first post

[orchid gate]

Doesn’t sound like I’m a nuisance

[solar cliff]

saw it be deleted

[orchid gate]

you saw

[solar cliff]

Saw the new oone being made

Saw everything

inside and out

[orchid gate]

I literally answered first or third

[solar cliff]

and?

What you want me to do?

Clap?

Cheer?

[orchid gate]

Didn’t address anyone

[solar cliff]

[orchid gate]

not everyone depends on an orphan for their life’s worth

[solar cliff]

You depend on an orphan for their life's worth?

[orchid gate]

I can make someone have to 🤷‍♂️

[solar cliff]

<@&750150305383186585>

[orchid gate]

Tada 🎉

[brave brook]

I can’t rn, but I’ll find the video about the 4090

But a 130w tdp cpu with a 360mm AIO basically can’t thermal throttle

[brave brook]

If anyone gets booted, it’ll be you

[brave brook]

How tf does that work. I need proof for my answers but you don’t?

[plain matrix]

The 4090 can definitely be air cooled just fine

[solar cliff]

Yep.

[brave brook]

Yes, but he keeps asking for proof

[brave brook]

That’s not how it works

[solar cliff]

Your words are nothing but scribbles

Give me proof

[brave brook]

If I need proof, you need proof

[solar cliff]

Meh not sure about that

[solar cliff]

Nope.

[brave brook]

Wtf

How do you do anything? Have fun in life if you think that

[brave brook]

Prove that my words are scribbles

[solar cliff]

I dont need proof

[solar cliff]

By doing it

🤯

[brave brook]

Then I don’t need proof

[solar cliff]

You do

Stop arguing

[brave brook]

I’m not arguing with someone this delusional

[plain matrix]

@spice yacht we have a kid here that's just being rude and derailing this thread

[brave brook]

It would be better to ping general mod instead

If you can’t uphold your own statements with known facts to prove your point, how can you expect others to?

[solar cliff]

Yeah, creeper boy won’t leave us alone

[plain matrix]

Screw off

[haughty quail]

pokey what did you do?

you silly goose

@solar cliff what did you doooo?

[solar cliff]

Nothingggggg

[haughty quail]

hmmmmm

[solar cliff]

Anyway, what pizza do you like Tf2 Medic

[haughty quail]

idk if i believe you

[vast geyser]

holy fuck

[haughty quail]

we already talked about this silly

[vast geyser]

pokey

get a life

please

touch grass

[solar cliff]

True true, hmmmmm. Favourite french food

[vast geyser]

talk to women

[haughty quail]

you have dementia bro

[vast geyser]

get a hobby

[haughty quail]

goofy

[solar cliff]

XD

[haughty quail]

this is his hobby lol

lmao

[solar cliff]

i think woopyman needs a hobby

[haughty quail]

maybe

[solar cliff]

@vast geyser what are your hobbies

[haughty quail]

lol

yay pokey has a 13 day timeout 🙂

[vast geyser]

took long enough

[haughty quail]

He says the pc wont be built by then

I think its true ngl

[spare sedge]

is that the 4090 rog strix

[vast geyser]

rog evangelion

[spare sedge]

they are almost the exact same. but i calculated the volume and the rog takes up more space than the suprim x liquid including the volume for the rad

[pearl heath]

Volume is not a graphics card measurememt I thought I'd see ever

Mostly because well
You can move the radiator of the suprim liquid X or whatever the hell that stupid thing is called to wherever it fits in the case, whereas the Asus thing is a brick that sits where it does

[haughty quail]

Give her another month 💯 trust, she'll get it then fr

[spare sedge]

its just cause i might do an itx build. the length matters more. ik that

[pearl heath]

This isn't about building a pc anymore, this is a person trying to learn a touch too much about every single component

[haughty quail]

A month??!!

Well whatever works

[haughty quail]

Yes, I was joking 😅

[pearl heath]

Pcpartpicker will validate compatibility for cases depending on what graphics card you choose

[haughty quail]

By the time she builds the PC, the new whatever 256 gigashits per terrafart will be built and she'll want to calculate that too

[spare sedge]

thats a big reason why im thinking the suprim x liquid cause the rog is huge and kind of ugly

[haughty quail]

Oh boy

[spare sedge]

yep awesome

[pearl heath]

You'll have to make sure whatever case you pick has mounting space for the radiator then, which pcpartpicker will take care of

[vast geyser]

yeah.. if picking a motherboard takes thing long, we should have settled on the case first

[spare sedge]

i doubt the case will be hard

[haughty quail]

Case would've taken longer, prob. I don't know maybe she needs the hex code for the case hahaha

[vast geyser]

case first cause then you know what form factor

[spare sedge]

if you want we can take a break from motherboard and i can ask questions here about storage or for the case

[pearl heath]

The case is also the only part you'll actively actually see often so it is important for aesthetics

[spare sedge]

cause both of those will help me narrow my search

[vast geyser]

and again, basically cuts down on the choices for a motherboard

[vast geyser]

storage not so much tbf

[spare sedge]

yeah thats true

[pearl heath]

Also storage is pretty much just get a WD SN770 or 850X if you're desperate for spending money

[spare sedge]

well figuring it out will tell me how much m.2 i want. how much sata etc.

[vast geyser]

preferably 0 sata

[pearl heath]

And maybe 1 or 2 M.2 drives lol

[vast geyser]

cause like, why would you need sata

[pearl heath]

A single 2TB SN770 serves most people until their computer dies, and then some lol

[spare sedge]

well thats what im saying. i also kind of just dont know

but im off in like 7 mins

so ill be at my laptop soon

[vast geyser]

i should have been off 5 hours ago

its 5am

[spare sedge]

either that or i keep adding more motherboard options to compare

its 9pm for me

[open iris]

can't you decide a form factor before adding more to compare

[spare sedge]

well no thats the whole point

i dont want to choose itx if the features are horrible.

but if the itx board is just right anf i can justify it then ill just ditch the atx

or maybe ill find a top one for each

besides theres only a small handful of itx or matx for am5

[haughty quail]

Bro holy crap

[spare sedge]

and there only 2 pages of mbs on pcpp

[open iris]

Less pcie slots and usb literally it

[spare sedge]

so i could probably do all of them and get a definite best option for me

[spare sedge]

well yeah but i need exact specifics board to board conparison.

cause just saying that. its sounds oh okay. im not gonna lose amything

so the obvious answer is itx

[open iris]

Well no i just listed exactly what you lose, pcie slots and usb

[spare sedge]

but ig its just not that cut and dry and im seeing that with the b650 boards as well

[orchid gate]

Deciding ITX/ATX mobo rn?

[spare sedge]

nah just talking about it

[orchid gate]

Alr

[spare sedge]

itx is so tempting because my use case synergizes hard from it

[orchid gate]

I can see that

Unpopular take (perhaps an honorable mention) but I feel ITX simplifies many things as well, since there are less options you won’t find the stray PCIe x1 or too many hidden things

And less ports = less confusion

[brave brook]

It’s not really less parts

They’re all just smaller, mb, case, cooler

[orchid gate]

well fair

[brave brook]

And usually gpu

[orchid gate]

I wonder if overclocking perf also takes a hit

[brave brook]

Depends on what you have

[orchid gate]

Do VRMs matter in size

[brave brook]

Not really

[orchid gate]

Or change in quantity depending on form factor?

[brave brook]

Some Itx motherboards have huge vrm heatsinks

[orchid gate]

and would that lower OC limit or is there some compensation system

[brave brook]

No, because the spaces for vrms are still present for itx

It’s just ram slots, pcie, and m.2 that change

[pearl heath]

Phase count doesn't matter massively for ITX boards

As always it's the components of the VRM that matter and as always, it's all overbuilt to hell and it's fine

[orchid gate]

So VRMs are the 4090 coolers of a mobo

don’t need to worry an iota unless you have an H610 board

[pearl heath]

You wouldn't need to work then anyway cause you ain't overclocking on that

[brave brook]

The rog strix can sit in 50C temperatures with fur mark without thermal throttling.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=k7wnNt65lcE&pp=ygUdTHR0IDQwOTAgYW1iaWRudCB0ZXN0IGNoYW1iZXI%3D

[spare sedge]

watching now this is important to me

actually i forgot i gotta finish this other video

[brave brook]

Why?

It’s literally not. If you go atx, with a 360mm aio, your pc will be so cool

Also what are you going to use to power a pc in a van

[grave spade]

Gpu will get one-tapped on speed bumps 🤣

[strange storm]

Who wants to start placing bets this pc never gets built?

[orchid gate]

Some time ago we talked about that

A solution like strapping it to a shelf on the wall might help

[grave spade]

What the gpu?

[orchid gate]

(They’re planning to live van life, so in a campervan)

No the entire PC

And then maybe fit packing foam into the case

[grave spade]

There’s a reason when you buy prebuilt a the gpu has foam around it or is not installed

[grave spade]

Seems like a hassle though

[orchid gate]

Yea we ditched that topic, probably will discuss after this one

[grave spade]

Tbf this whole thing is a hassle anyway

[orchid gate]

Well for a time we didn’t know what the thread really was for

Turns out it’s just a knowledge dump now

to justify ad nauseam the high budget, that everything is worth the price and often leveraged for its sake

[spring wraith]

@grave spade what are ur pc specs

[spare sedge]

no i was curious if the freezing weather could hurt the components

[spring wraith]

only if condensation occurs and causes a short

[spare sedge]

does it matter where buses get their lanes from? like are cpu lanes better than chipset lanes? are chipset lanes better than usb hub lanes?

[spring wraith]

cpu lanes are better than chipset lanes

some devices are weird about running through the chipset

[spare sedge]

but cpu lanes arent faster right

just some compatability issues with chipset lanes

this is what i mean by confusing motherboard manufacturer marketing. im not even the only one. theres literally dozens of reddit posts asking about stuff like this

i dont even think most people know this but im glad i figured it out

its confusing cause

pcpp will tell you the base headers only. not the header max / header support or additional bonus headers that the board is actually electrically more than capable of doing.

but that comes in handy cause manufacturers sometimes wont tell you the header support either and make you fucking guess

or do math ig

if you read the rear io list or the back panel list. it will always tell you ALL the rear stuff. so thats nice.

but if you read internal ios on any website it is always like this

it will either tell you the support which is annoying if you dont even know what that is at first

or it WONT TELL YOU at all

then it just tells you the total headers or just the physical headers

and then you gotta subtract pcpp headers from those ones OR you can also check the usb list on any mb website

and the usb list will tell you the total for all of them but then you can subtract the internal io from the total usb list which will result in the extra headers that come out of no where which obviously means that these must be the header support

in this case, the aorus master has 1 1x1 type a header support and 2 usb2 type a header support ON TOP of the actual headers that they have

this is everything usb that the master has

alright im looking at the taichi now

[nova patrol]

bro she doing soo much research on usb and how much connectiy does it have! Bro she will only use like 4 max come on

[orchid gate]

It’s no longer just for practical purposes

It’s a long term praxis store, future stuff for troubleshooting

[grave spade]

i7-13700K
Asus Z790-A prime
H150i 2023
64GB 6000mhz
2TB sn850x + 2TB Seagate hdd
Rm1000x shift
4070ti
5000D airflow

[orchid gate]

Or useful when new things come about and a precise comparison is to be made

[vast geyser]

hows the shift

[grave spade]

Genuinely life changing

Like Corsair are innovators

I’m tempted by their link products as well

[vast geyser]

the difference is the cable placement, no?

[grave spade]

Yeah plugs are on the side so it doesn’t interfere with hdd cage or anything and it makes eps connections a lot easier too

[vast geyser]

personally my case could never

[grave spade]

I know some cases don’t have enough clearance

[pearl heath]

They are, but not in the way you think

A socket connected directly to the CPU is faster than a socket connected to the chipset, since the one connected to the chipset still needs to talk to the CPU

So the data goes via the chipset, which is slower than if it was directly connected to the CPU

[spring wraith]

optimal

[brave brook]

Lol

If only

[spring wraith]

if only what

[brave brook]

If only it were that simple

It should be, but it’s not….

[spring wraith]

what isnt that simple

[brave brook]

This build

[spring wraith]

cpu lanes generally have lower access latency and marginally higher speeds

oh

again the point isnt to build a pc here

[brave brook]

If only we could just say “use this” and be done with it

[brave brook]

You said “optimal” to a list of components.

[spring wraith]

lame

[spring wraith]

yeah its their pc specs lol

not their recommendations

i wouldnt recommend that parts list

[brave brook]

Ohh mb

Yeah neither would I

[spring wraith]

creeperboy

i got ddr5-8000 stable

time to tighten

🧙‍♂️

[brave brook]

Dang

[spring wraith]

i think i might be able to push 8200 on this imc

but theres no point

[vast geyser]

that poor clear cmos button..

[spring wraith]

i havent hit it once

nor my safe boot button

[vast geyser]

insane

[spring wraith]

its been super easy for some reason

this 13900k has a way better imc than my last

[vast geyser]

good ass kit

[spring wraith]

optimal?

[spring wraith]

any a die kit can do 8000

mines just an average trident z5 6400 kit

[vast geyser]

the one for $70 is kinda a crazy deal

[spring wraith]

yeah the teamgroup 5600 kit is crazy

5600 jedec is solid too

stable on like anything and basically xmp perf

[vast geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qk9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-classic-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-ctccd532g5600hc46dc01 goated

should be fairly easy to get it to normal 6000cl30 if needed, right?

[spring wraith]

real

[spring wraith]

yep

you could get those to 8000+

[vast geyser]

and you basically save a buck or 2

[spring wraith]

yes

id leave it at jedec personally though

unless i was gonna properly oc

[spare sedge]

so im at work.

fell asleep last night

i realized that there is more than 1 taichi

but now i know more about raid. which probably refers to raid support on pcpp

the name makes more sense too

i still dont know why linus was joking about raid 0 tho

but ik raid 0 is just a speed boost and it splits 1 drive into 2 basically which actually increases the odds that you will lose data cause if one of them fails or is damaged.

idk what speed its talking about tho

and raid 1 is really the first raid so the name makes sense

cause it duplicates the drive. on 2 drives so if you lose one. you wont lose anything basically

i keep seeing raid numbers on mbs so i figured i would figure this out

its hard to work on anything big while at work

kind of confused by raid 5 tho

ik its at least 3 drives

and its the same protection as raid 1. but ig its more popular

and raid 10 does something cool too

cause ig its named that way cause it basically just does raid 1 but with raid 0 speed.

but idk how it does that

[brave brook]

If you lose 1 drive, all the data is gone

Not gone, but it’s really hard to get back, and all the data on the dead drive is basically completely gone

[spare sedge]

yep ik raid 0

okay ik raid 10 now. thats so smart

but it needs 4 drives

[brave brook]

Raid one splits the drive capacity, while raid 5 has 1 parity block per 5 regular blocks (I think, I’m more used to raid-z)

[lavish nexus]

Raid 0 is really only useful for games tbh

[spare sedge]

its literally just a raid 0 setup on 2 drives and then a raid 1 setup on the 2 additional drives to duplicate the first 2 drives

[lavish nexus]

And only if you have some spare HDDs around

[spare sedge]

thats good tho

[pearl heath]

RAID 0 should not be a consideration for anyone

[brave brook]

Yeah

[spare sedge]

why

is it cause raid 10 is better

[brave brook]

Dangerous, and actually kinda useless

[lavish nexus]

I use raid 0 for my game drives

[brave brook]

Not completely, but there are better ways of aggregating drives

[spare sedge]

i mean double the storage controllers is theoretical double the speed. but ik it doesnt equate to that in irl perf

[pearl heath]

Random reads/writes on modern SSDs do not benefit from RAID 0 almost at all

As in, depending on file size and all that jazz, the performance does not improve

All you've done is spent twice as much on two drives

[spare sedge]

ik about random r/w

that makes sense

[lavish nexus]

Really only useful if you have some HDDs laying around

[open iris]

only if you are gaming with hard drives

[brave brook]

All my hdds laying around are 320gb XD. I made a raid z2 (2 parity drives) pool with 6 of them, and it was barely a tb of useable space

[pearl heath]

Which should not be a thing, in this day and age

[open iris]

games cant even take advantage of gen 4 speeds compared to gen 3 lmao

[pearl heath]

Considering you can get a decent 1TB NVMe SSD for $35

[brave brook]

And some 2tb for $65 on sale (the teamgroup mp33 for example)

[lavish nexus]

I mean but if you have them might as well use them and save money

[brave brook]

Honestly, hdds do not need to be in a gaming pc

[lavish nexus]

POV: My HDDs crying

[brave brook]

Unless for files, but then get a nas

[lavish nexus]

I use em for gaming

[brave brook]

Why 😔

[lavish nexus]

Cause I got 3 2 TB WD blacks for $20 and said why not

I get around 520MB/s read and write and have 6 tb of storage

[brave brook]

You know, that’s fair

[pearl heath]

Justifyable if you need the space

[open iris]

your pc has more storage than my nas

rocking a classy 4tb rn...

[brave brook]

I have a 4tb raid 1

[lavish nexus]

Well I actually have 8 tb

2 tb nvme boot drive

Tbh I like it for gaming it loads games pretty fast. Haven’t had any hang ups yet. Starfield requires an ssd to play so when it comes out we’ll see if it’s a problem

[spare sedge]

OHHHH is it parity??? not parody??

[pearl heath]

Yes

[brave brook]

“Parody” is usually music related

[spare sedge]

ik raid 5 now and raid 6

[pearl heath]

Interesting that you're choosing to learn about something unrelated to your future PC build
Why not build your new PC first, then learn about all the esoteric and unrelated topics?

[forest totem]

Yee, that's what I did when my tech friend got me into building PCs - built my first one, learned lots along the way, then helped others build their first PCs too. I'm a meticulous person, so I know I'd never actually build a PC if I kept searching for the most perfect setup. Bit the bullet and built a "good enough" machine to get started.

[unique sparrow]

idk whats been going on but

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8rJYrv

this is basically everything to the extreme which is what u wabt apparently

never knew pc building is such as a time consuming task XD

[spare sedge]

yeah im the same way to a fault. i only did the raid videos at work cause my job is really strict so i couldnt really make real progress, but the raid stuff is just good to know for motherboard manufacturer websites that list which motherboards have which raids supported.

[pure mica]

Horrible mouse

[modest valve]

@spare sedge what part of mobos are u on now?

[pure mica]

Better not be usb

[modest valve]

dw about fan or rgb headers, u can always get hubs for those

[pure mica]

I dont like hub personally but i guess

[modest valve]

a high end x670/e or b650/e mobo will have good vrms. any mobo below 90c will work (itll have 5-7c headroom before throttling, too) so that shouldnt be a problem either

[modest valve]

yeah can get a bit messy sometimes

but shouldnt be the top priority rn

[unique sparrow]

ok

[pure mica]

I mean do you have eny good hub tought

[spare sedge]

raid 0 = 2 storage devices, 1 drive. splits the data. you keep 100% capacity +1 speed. -1 durability
raid 1 = 2 storage devices, 2 drives. 2 copies of data (copy is on 2nd device). you lose 50% capacity ±0 speed +1 durability.
raid 5 = 3+ storage devices (its almost the same as raid 0), 1 drive. splits the data. 1 parity = you lose 1 storage device worth of capacity 3/4/5/6/7/8 devices = 33/25/20/17/14.5/12.5% capacity loss. +2 speed +1 durability.
raid 6 = 4+ storage devices (its like raid 0 and raid 5), 1 drive. splits the data. 2 parity = you lose 2 storage devices worth of capacity 4/5/6/7/8 devices = 50/40/33/29/25% capacity loss. +3 speed +2 durability.
raid 10 = 4+ storage devices (it's like raid 0 and raid 1), 2 drives. splits the data and then copies it (copy is on the 3rd and 4th devices). you lose 50% capacity. +1 speed +1 durability

i get off at 10 so i havent started tonight. just watched some tiktok

about to start now

still just doing motherboard reviews and taking suggestions

usb is done

[modest valve]

yeah i wouldnt spend time on raid

[spare sedge]

its hard to choose tbh. looks like a lot of good options

but raid 10 is probably worse than raid 6 because of double parity

and raid 6 is much faster with the same capacity loss

and the capacity loss scales down

raid 6 is probably the most hardcore you can go

no raid is also an option

which would look like this

no raid = 1 storage device, 1 drive. you keep ~100% capacity. ±0 speed ±0 durability

in the videos they all joke about hardware damage to 1 device

but like im pretty sure it also means hardware failure

so like, heres another rundown

no raid = 0 device insurance.
raid 0 = 0 device insurance
raid 1 = 1 device insurance
raid 5 = 1 device insurance
raid 6 = 2 devices insurance
raid 10 = i think is only 1 device insurance

so if you want the most insurance on your data. go raid 6

and if youc cant afford 3 storage devices. then raid 1 is fine with only 2 storage devices.

if you can muster the budget to get 4 storage devices and a motherboard that can support all that then you can do raid 6 which should have the fastest speeds. since its bare min is 4. but tbh a raid 5 set up could have the same speed as a raid 6 setup if you just add another drive. you just wont have the 2nd parity which means if 1 device dies youll be okay but if 2 devices die at the same time. you wont be.

so raid 5 with 4 devices is the same as a raid 6 with 4 devices in terms of speed. not durability tho

but raid 5 has more capacity and 2 devices dying at the same time is super rare

ive also never even had a storage device failure in my entire life

[pure mica]

^?

[spare sedge]

but im pretty sure parity protection is better than just copying the data. because a copy of the data means you can still operate normal after 1 device dies but youll need to buy a new device to set up the copy again which ik the setup is difficult.

but with parity it will rebuild the drive for you after you buy a new device after 1 dies but i guess idk if you can still operate without a third + of your storage lol

holy shit theres more

raid 50 which is just raid 5 and raid 0

and then there is raid 60 which is just raid 6 and raid 0

obviously raid 6 and 60 are trade offs in capacity for more durability and a higher base speed with the same scaling speed as raid 5 setups

with 50 and 60 i guess the data is striped more cause in 5 and 6 the data is already striped

the problem with 50 and 60 tho is that 50 requires 6+ devices. and 60 requires 8+ devices.

and if you only care about insurance on the data then 50 isnt worth cause it only gives you protection on 1 device death while 60 still only gives you protection on 2 deaths like raid 5 and 6

theres a raid 7 by ibm that no one knows much about ig

its not an official one

theres also a raid z which is like raid 5 and 6

but idk what it does either

but its for a zfs file system ig

and then i guess jbod is an option. idk what the benefit is there since its no raid.

so honestly raid 5, 6 or 50 or 60 are the best options by far

if you want the speed you can just have 4 devices set aside for just this

and use it on raid 6

and then have normal drives without raid i think

enough about raid tho

[forest totem]

Not to scare you about RAID, but I swore off Hardware RAID years ago when I learned just how finicky anr/or expensive it can be. These days I only use Software RAID by way of StableBit DrivePool. Not an endorsement or affiliation with CoveCube; just a happy user of their DrivePool software.

If you've got the time, money, and experience with a given Hardware RAID vendor / system, and want to supplement your external backups with it, go ham / all the power to ya.

[spare sedge]

what is the difference between hardware raid and software raid. i suspected something like this. but i wasnt sure. i thought raid worked for both

[forest totem]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/difference-between-hardware-raid-vs-software-raid/

My main reasons for using StableBit DrivePool are:

• I can easily pop the pooled drives into a completely separate computer and instantly be up and running again should my motherboard fail.
• I can read the data off a pooled drive using any system capable of reading NTFS formatted disks, without rebuilding the array.
• Although DrivePool is similar to Windows Storage Spaces, it doesn't rely on Windows directly, thus the above 2 bullet points.

Whatever you choose, know that RAID IS NOT A BACKUP - say it with me again, one more time, louder for the people in the back...
RAID
IS NOT
A BACKUP

[spare sedge]

and stablebit is software raid

which you recommend cause its cheaper

[spare sedge]

no worries. ty tho

so far the taichi is the only one ive seen with usb4

[spare sedge]

im on my 11th review

honestly a really good selection of motherboards

holy fuck

this board

im doing the proart x670e now

it fucking has 2 usb4s and 1 2x2

thats insane

and then literally

SEVEN 2x1s

lmao this is the goodbye usb2 board

it has 1 usb2 tho

idk why

[nova patrol]

Someone let me know when she orders the parts

[glacial schooner]

in the next decade

[spare sedge]

just finished the x670e taichi

im doing the meg x670e ace

[spare sedge]

tbh im not impressed

no usb4

[spare sedge]

getting the header support right on the msi boards is hard

but im p sure i did

[forest totem]

I gotta be honest... USB4 is kind of like PCIe Gen 5 (or heck, even PCIe Gen 4) right now, for consumers at least. Unless you know you need PCIe Gen 4/5 or USB4, you don't need to purchase things that support it. By the time you actually need those things, you might be upgrading the system anyway, or at the very least, add-in cards will have come down in price.

[spare sedge]

i like the idea of usb4

[forest totem]

It's kinda like wanting a sports car... just to pickup groceries from the store. If ya got the money and don't mind spending it on "the best" even if you never fully use "the best" to its fullest potential, go ham. Otherwise I'd recommend spending the money on beer, food, events, coffee, tea, books, or <insert hobby here>. 😄

[spare sedge]

isnt eatx really big tho

will it need a special case

[forest totem]

eATX will indeed need a case that specifically says it supports eATX size motherboards, unless you want to break out the dremel tool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX

[spare sedge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xkVmP6/asus-rog-strix-x670e-i-gaming-wifi-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-rog-strix-x670e-i-gaming-wifi

omgggg

this board literally has 2 usb4 lmao

the msi ace has 11 usb rear. this itx asus rog has 10 usb rear lmao

1 less type c. nbd

SAME AMOUNT OF TYPE A

same type a specs except the itx has 3 usb2

so worth tbh

the carbon is literally just worst

lmao

carbon's type c is objectively worse

and it has 6 2x1, 2 usb2. the itx has 5 2x1, 3 usb2

but the itx has better type c

[spare sedge]

okayy now i need more motherboards

to look at

the cheapest am5 motherboard is $80 lmao

lets look at this one

lmao

literally bare minimum usb

the entire board's usb is only 10

thats less than the itx boards rear io alone lmao

im actually shocked buildzoid recommended the msi ace

a $700 board

am5's 2nd most expensive board.

im honestly not impressed by the usb so lets hope it wins later on

i will review the godlike cause why not

kind of confused how people buy motherboards based off aesthetics

they all look like black squares lmao

wow this board is ass lmao

godlike more like fuck off

its so bad like

[brave brook]

The godlike is stupid. It’s 110% not worth the $1200

[brave brook]

Don’t worry about raid. Just leave all your drives separate

[brave brook]

Raid 10 has a mirror, so as long as all the drives that die are on 1 half of the mirror, you can lose half your drives. Drives should be immediately replaced when they die though

[brave brook]

Well, it’s choosing between white and black motherboards

[strange storm]

Honestly, if anyone reads through these 20k messages, they will come out with a bachelor's in computer science.

[nova patrol]

[strange storm]

@nova patrol the only thing I'm not a fan of, at least with this thread. Too many eleventeen yr olds, and us old guys n gals as well, keep presenting opinions as fact.

[brave brook]

And a masters in brain aneurisms

[strange storm]

Basically this is no longer a build thread, it's an educational thread and should be adjusted as such

[haughty quail]

too many words

[brave brook]

A mod here said it best: “it’s someone who wants to know a little too much about everything”

[haughty quail]

that is def correct

[brave brook]

There’ve been a few too many arguments over that. I just want to get this over with and go through the questions as quickly as possible

[haughty quail]

Okiw

Okie

[pure mica]

When you get it almost half price like i did it totally worth it
got it for 800

[brave brook]

What sets it apart from a $300-$400 one

[spring wraith]

LPL

[spring wraith]

absolutely not, literally nothing special in any way

[pure mica]

Idk lol and idc i got a high end motherboard cause i can 🤪

[spring wraith]

you got a shitty motherboard and paid a premium for it 🤔

[brave brook]

So totally not worth it

[pure mica]

It cad price btw

[brave brook]

$800 cad?

[spring wraith]

"cause i can" = "i am not financially responsible"

[pure mica]

Yes lol

[brave brook]

Still not worth it

[pure mica]

Worth it the z790 version lol

[spring wraith]

absolutely not

you couldve gotten the best z790 mobo for cheaper

[pure mica]

Do i care…

[spring wraith]

when youre spending $800 on a mobo... yeah?

[lavish nexus]

Well tbh that can also be said for anyone buying a 4090

[pure mica]

It canadien money it really more then us it like 689 usd lol

[lavish nexus]

They’re really just not worth the price

[brave brook]

$300 too much tbh

[pure mica]

To your eyes

[lavish nexus]

Tbh most am5 boards aren’t worth the price 😂

Why would I pay $220+ for a am5 board

[pure mica]

I got a z790 board

[lavish nexus]

Yea ik

[spring wraith]

you couldve spent $10 more and gotten an apex or saved 90 and got a tach

[brave brook]

Lemme guess, you got a 13900ks too

[pure mica]

None s just the k

Ks not worth it

[lavish nexus]

I guess If you have the money buy whatever you want. But on a price to performance scale amd in general is a better buy all around.

For gaming that is

[pure mica]

Not using it only for gaming💀 i work on it too i do architecture stuff too …

[lavish nexus]

Good thing I’m not referring to anyone specifically

[brave brook]

Lol

Let’s end this convo because it’s not helpful for this thread

[pure mica]

😂

[lavish nexus]

Nothing anyone says seems to be helpful to the thread. Dream just finds something else to go on a journey learning about

[pure mica]

Fact

[brave brook]

You’re not wrong

[lavish nexus]

Turned quickly from a build thread to. I want to learn every specific possible about every single part of a PC

[pure mica]

Usb…

💀

[lavish nexus]

Next she’ll be learning about CPU architecture 🤦🏼‍♂️ dear god

[pure mica]

For 2 week

[vast geyser]

nah

dont think so

[lavish nexus]

Yea I didn’t understand that usb isn’t that complicated lol

[brave brook]

Don’t entertain it 🥺

[pure mica]

Same

[lavish nexus]

Don’t speak too soon

[pure mica]

After it will be gpu architecture

[lavish nexus]

[brave brook]

Does anyone here give a shit about cpu architecture enough to explain it

[lavish nexus]

Absolutely not me

[pure mica]

Na not me

[lavish nexus]

It just works simple answer

[pure mica]

We will end up talking about material thermal and conductivity

[brave brook]

She was just thinking about what raid to use 😭

[pure mica]

Oh no

[brave brook]

The answer is none of them

[pure mica]

Wut

What she will use then

[brave brook]

Hopefully none of them

We need to convince her of that

[vast geyser]

plenty of yt videos on how a cpu works
..just not architectures

[pure mica]

Don’t say that she will ask us so much questions about it after

[glacial schooner]

nooooooooooooo

delete that

[brave brook]

Of all the things she doesn’t need to know too much about, cpu architecture is #1

[lavish nexus]

Raid is very useful in certain circumstances

Keyword being certain but not hers

[brave brook]

Yeah

[lavish nexus]

I only use it for gaming so I can have a single games drive split between 3 physical drives

Speeds is a plus but eh even if they were sata ssds or nvme id still use raid 0 to have a single ganes drive on the OS

[pearl heath]

This is the weirdest reason for RAID I've ever seen

[pure mica]

[brave brook]

There isn’t really a point to that, especially with steam giving the option for any number of drives

[spare sedge]

i feel like itd be more useful in my situation than most people lmao

[pearl heath]

Not really? What do you intend on doing that you think would benefit from any form of RAID?

[spare sedge]

vanlife has a high occurence rate of theft

and i plan on working on ai / proteins

[pearl heath]

Neither of those would benefit from RAID, specifically
If you want your data to be safe, you'd benefit from external backups

[spare sedge]

there no reason not to go raid tbh

[pearl heath]

One on site, one on the cloud, and one off-site

Raid requires you to buy many drives of all the same capacity, that is expensive

[spare sedge]

idc about that

[pearl heath]

And RAID is not a backup
As has been stated before
Any form of RAID is not a backup

[spare sedge]

i already know that

[pearl heath]

Also theft..?

If a thief steals your PC they're not going to steal the drives out of it, they're going to steal the whole thing lol

[spare sedge]

yeah thats true

[glacial schooner]

who will carry that heavy thing

[pearl heath]

Hence the 3-2-1 backup strategy if you care for your data

[glacial schooner]

i mean it is worth a lot

[spare sedge]

i understand the first part

not so much the last 2

[glacial schooner]

what data are u planning to make

save*

[pearl heath]

The last one is stating to store it somewhere far away, like on Google Drive, or a separate NAS/server that is connected to a different power grid or something

Separate locations just means, you may have a copy on your PC, and a copy on your NAS at home as well

[spare sedge]

so keep 2 copies on you

for fast recovery

[pearl heath]

Only if your data is actually sensitive to being lost

[spare sedge]

and the 3rd should be always on the cloud or

[pearl heath]

Game saves for example, really don't need 3 copies of that

[pearl heath]

A NAS at a separate location works too 🤷

[spare sedge]

i keep forgetting what a nas is

network something or whaever

[pearl heath]

Network Attached Storage

[spare sedge]

isnt that just a cloud

[pearl heath]

So you don't need to find a PC case for your main rig that has space for 6 or more hard drives

Sortof?

Cloud implies a service provided by a company to my knowledge

[spare sedge]

but isnt that also a cloud storage

[pearl heath]

I mean I guess a NAS and Cloud Storage are different names for the same thing

[spare sedge]

ohh okay

does a nas have a self hosted part or is it all in the cloud

the whole attached part throw me off

like maybe its in the cloud and also in your files lol

[pearl heath]

A NAS is a physical PC who's entire purpose is to store stuff

[spare sedge]

oh so like a 2nd pc

raid would still be nice as a troubleshooting buffer for in the event you dont post and its a corrupted windows situation which are literally the worst.

[pearl heath]

That wouldn't help

You'd need a raid 1 setup for that to even begin to make sense, which is just an entire copy of your OS, which the bootloader would hate lol

Also windows corruption happens so extremely rarely that it should not be a consideration, and windows has built in tools such that it can try to fix it self

[spare sedge]

will a motherboard always say wifi in its name if it has wifi built in?

[pearl heath]

Not always

pcpp has filters to make sure you get a motherboard with wifi though if that's what you're looking for

[glacial schooner]

cant u just use a pcie card

[lavish nexus]

I dont like changing the download drive when one fills up

I won’t do nvme anyway. Too expensive for the amount of storage I want

[spring wraith]

LOL WHAT

[lavish nexus]

And I have HDDs so speeds is a plus

[pearl heath]

While I can't fault getting 3 6TB HDDs for $20, I can fault using them like that

[lavish nexus]

Why lol

It’s for gaming only

If a drive dies oh no I’ll just redownload the games and back to gaming I go

[brave brook]

Why not

[spare sedge]

i had windows corrupt and no post

[lavish nexus]

Cause im POS

[brave brook]

What’s that

[spare sedge]

alright im gonna spend my work day learning about thunderbolt

i still dont get it lmao

so im watching videos

[vast geyser]

whats the point

[lavish nexus]

What dont you get about it lol bruh like what 😂 it’s so simple

It’s a part of a PC similiar to USB in a lot of its functions not thermo nuclear science

[brave brook]

it would take like 2 minutes

[pure mica]

Are you fricking joking me

💀

[brave brook]

what dont you get about it

[spare sedge]

its like this weird new but not really new cord that basically does every and its shaped like a mini display port

or something i have no fucking clue

so much honestly

ik its made by intel and apple and intel won the rights

i dont understand what it is or what it is for

or what it looks like

[spring wraith]

no thats old versions

now its in the form of usb c

starting with thunderbolt 3 i think

[brave brook]

its now shaped like usb c. it has all the capabilities of dp, usb, and usb power delivery
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/thunderbolt/overview.html

[spare sedge]

so thunderbolt is usb now. and it is specifically only usbc

so there is thunderbolt 1, thunderbolt 2 and thuneerbolt 3? is thunderbolt 4 out yet?

[lavish nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/you-need-google-google-gif-16220073

[open iris]

I've swear I've talked about thunderbolt here