♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[orchid gate]

IMO at this point having a few components to compare would simplify everything

[spare sedge]

unless they are using 4pin usb2s which would be cheapo AF

usb2 has its own headers. its 4pin for usb2, but if you go 9 pin then you get a bonus header electrically and they push the same bandwidth so you dont share bandwidth.

usb2 headers ik

gen 1 headers as in 1x1 and 1x2 headers. im fuzzy on.

[orchid gate]

So we’re talking about grid allowances

[spare sedge]

because idk how 19pin headers do the whole bonus header thing. but ik they do because im trying to compare this motherboard right now that has +2 bonus headers off the 1x1 header on the board.

meaning it gets 3 headers

2 bonus. and 1 off the mb

[orchid gate]

I’d say extra header space is useful only if some are fried (no idea how except power surge which kills many things)

[spare sedge]

i just now found out that type e headers include 2x1. i knew they included 2x2, but i didnt know it was all of gen 2.

[orchid gate]

But tough luck if it’s >3 pins done for and they aren’t the same row/column

[spare sedge]

so the gen 2 header is a type e which is super condensed.

[spare sedge]

well actually, its came in clutch for a lot of first time builders who end up not having to buy an extra item all because of this

so it can be a life saver when you are finally building.

also allows more case compat

[orchid gate]

General tip - when reading on mobile you can screw the ads by enabling reader view if on iOS

[spare sedge]

cause if they case has a ton of front panel ports. youll need this

they usually dont but still

[orchid gate]

your source had a ton of them

[spare sedge]

or if you have aios youll need this

[orchid gate]

Welp all I know is it’s missing stuff that would otherwise improve the data transfer speed

If you look there’s a meagre amount and categories of pins compared to overload on type e

[glacial schooner]

b=bruh

[spare sedge]

type e is really small tho

also correction the 2x1 isnt a type e mb.

[orchid gate]

Kek naw it’s just 3.2 Gen 1

Header

._.

[spare sedge]

yes

wait no

gen 2 is 2x1

gen 1 headers are the 19 pin ones

2x1 looks like type e

but i guess type e is only for 2x2 because its dual lane

this means that only some headers support only some connectors

so the type e headers ONLY work for type c

because 2x2 is only for type c.

so putting the connector type next to the header is relevant and necessary since the header can be defined as a type c or type a header

[orchid gate]

Huh

[spare sedge]

1x1 headers

are 19pins on 20pin array

and 1x2

[orchid gate]

Does it say in the article?

or do you mean USB 2.0

I know those can connect multiple cables

sort of

[spare sedge]

usb2 is 4pin or 9pin

[orchid gate]

Brb

[spare sedge]

2x1 is a special header

and 2x2 is a type e header

[orchid gate]

I count 19 pins on usb 3.2 Gen 1

[spare sedge]

the 2x1 header looks a lot like the 2x2

usb3.2 gen 1 IS 1x1

[orchid gate]

This has 19 pins, should be 2x1 header (readers of the future I’m wrong here)

Wait

[spare sedge]

this is 2x1

[orchid gate]

Great

You said 1x1 had 19

[spare sedge]

it does

[orchid gate]

Are these the same?

[spare sedge]

type e has no pins

[orchid gate]

oh you mentioned 1x1 has 20 pins

[spare sedge]

it does

[orchid gate]

Ok so is that the only distinction between 1x1 and 2x1

otherwise visually indifferent?

[spare sedge]

1x1 = 20pin array. array just means the whole thing. it only uses 19 pins. so its a 19 pin connector

[orchid gate]

No but does it look the same as in the picture

or is it some other disfigured complexion

[orchid gate]

As in 2x1 = 1x1

and it just matters which header cable you plug in

[spare sedge]

this picture is a 1x1 / 1x2 header otherwise known as a gen 1 header or a usb3.2 gen 1 header.

[orchid gate]

Oh right

[spare sedge]

2x1 doesnt equal 1x1

[orchid gate]

K got it

So all USB standards with an X between two numbers are 3.2

USB 3.2 Gen 1, Gen 2

[spare sedge]

2x1 as in usb3.2 gen 2 header. a 2x1 header is similar in appearance to the 2x2 header.

[spare sedge]

yes exactly

[orchid gate]

Ah great. You mean identical?

Or is there a slight nuance

[spare sedge]

a slight nuance

the 2x1 header doesnt have dual lane

and will support type a on your front panel

whereas the 2x2 header is called a type e header and is for type c on your front panel

the 2x1 and the 2x2 headers both look like usb type a connectors

[orchid gate]

So essentially only way to find out aside from read jargon etchings is plug in a 2x1 USB-A header cable and see if it works

If not then the array is 2x2

[spare sedge]

manufacturers display it on their website

identifying the type e is easy cause it has a weird steel case looking thing

[orchid gate]

Man this thread makes Epstein’s law evermore important

(Anything has an easy explanation, just bloody difficult to conjure)

[spare sedge]

heres the type e

its always on the right

[orchid gate]

Yea first thing I saw

[spare sedge]

usb2 is at the bottom

[orchid gate]

I assume the TC section is what guarantees it’s second digit

Like TC1 is 2x1, TC2 is 2x2

If it says USB3.2 before that

Oh hell it’s nearly 1am for you?

sleep if you need

[spare sedge]

im gonna make eggs

stay up

then drive to detroit

[haughty quail]

no offense but just get the parts already

[glacial schooner]

fr

[haughty quail]

its been like what a week 2 weeks?

ik you want all the parts to be perfect

but damn

[glacial schooner]

fr

but the motherboard doesnt really matter

like how are we still stuck on usbs

[pure mica]

Idfk

I keep saying get a high end motherboard… and call it a day

[glacial schooner]

fr

[lavish nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-who-knows-gif-17348455

[teal pond]

guys she made this to learn, not just to choose parts

she is almost done anyway

she already knows what model (x670e)

just not the actual board

[brave brook]

oh yay. now put them on a random wheel spinner and call it a day

like actually though

[teal pond]

I personally would just choose whatever and not go too far into the specific stuff but some people want to know everything about it I guess

[brave brook]

i probably wouldnt get an asus board simply because of the x3d bios controversy

[teal pond]

same, I would go gigabyte most likely

they have really good boards

[open iris]

I wouldn't really say avoid a brand completely cause of a problem cause there would be none left

[brave brook]

but asus did have terrible bios's, and didnt fix it correctly

but anyway, how about this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rmbTwP/msi-mpg-x670e-carbon-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mpg-x670e-carbon-wifi

[open iris]

It's fine now

[brave brook]

probably

[teal pond]

msi and gigabyte make awesome boards

[brave brook]

yeahhh

[pure mica]

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

Gigabyte make nice psu too it make fire

[modest valve]

Yeah all she needs to do is look at this list and mobos are done

1 more day max

Unless u guys haven’t finished discussing usbs yet

[brave brook]

i think we have

[pure mica]

I hope we have

[lavish nexus]

That was one specific product line. Asus has just made premium junk for years

[unique sparrow]

This is why i totally avoid gigabyte psu

[lavish nexus]

Msi, asrock, gigabyte, evga, Corsair etc a lot of very reputable brands that bring a lot to the market now. And obviously even with the asus mess they have RMA

Personally as far as PSUs go I prefer EVGA and Corsair

Seasonic is nice too just a bit pricey

Actually just bought a EVGA SuperNOVA 1300w G2 🤌🏻

[vast geyser]

pgm is bad
udgm is fine

[lavish nexus]

Yea they had one really bad lineup of PSUs and it really screwed them but. I’ve always used gigabyte boards and I’ve had no issues

[spring wraith]

they tend to make the best

[teal pond]

Corsair is the most popular choice for new builders now

[spring wraith]

good

[lavish nexus]

Probably cause Corsair is more reasonably price now. The RM series gpus aren’t a terrible buy

And a 10 year warranty 🤌🏻

[spring wraith]

RMx only reasonable buy

[orchid gate]

@spare sedge where’d you go

[teal pond]

She is busy I think

[brave brook]

Yes, busy

[copper quest]

They’re driving to Detroit apparently

[spare sedge]

gotta be careful with chat gpt wording.

i actually was back from detroit really quickly but yeah ive been busy

so from all my scouring

here's my answer

[spare sedge]

• a single 4pin usb2.0 header only supports 1 header (front panel port) max because there is only one set of D+, and D-
• a single 9pin (10pin array) usb2.0 header only supports 2 headers (front panel ports) max because there is only 2 sets of D+, and D-
• a single 19pin (20pin array) usb 3.2 gen 1 (1x1 or usb3.0 or usb3.1 gen 1) can support multiple headers (potentially only 3, but maybe up to 6 max) because there are always 2 sets of D+, D-, TX+, TX-, RX+, and RX- for a total of 12 pins or up to 3 types of data transfer and 6 pairs. D+ and D- seem to be older and only meant for usb2.0 backward compatibility (im guessing) whereas RX and TX are more advanced to allow for a certain number of additional headers without adding more pins like usb2.0. this has the unfortunate downside of taking up more space.
• a single usb 3.2 gen 2 (2x1 or usb3.1 gen 2) can also support multiple headers but it is type a only and only uses superspeed+ transfer mode, but it looks like type e.
• a single 20pin usb 3.2 gen 2x2 header (type e) has been compactified compared to it's predecessor. the pins are hardly visible and is only compatible with type c. it has superspeed++ transfer mode instead of superspeed+ when compared with the 2x1 header

none of the headers work on type b so hopefully no cases have type b ports on the front panel. not even sure what use case type b has. its only type a or type c. and afaik there is no header that supports usb3.2 gen 1 10gbps (1x2, or type c)

so for 1x2, you literally need an adapter.

or you can just use the 2x2 which is probably on your board

and if it looks like a 2x2 header but its for type a and not c and you think im wrong, then that's just the super rare 2x1 header for type a

so type c wont work on usb2.0 headers and it wont work on 19pin 1x1 headers afaik. and it wont work on the rare 2x1 headers. it only works off 2x2 type e headers

[haughty quail]

Thats a lot of words

Just buy the parts already

Honestly

[spare sedge]

but i also think there might be a way to plug two 19pin connectors in at the same time to combine them into a type c, but it was unclear whether or not this is possible or thats what it meant

so ig my answer is basically just that newer usb headers dont need to use additional pins like usb2.0 did to get multi port support or additional headers because it already has so many pins and its all built into the existing pins

so there isnt a 10 pin version of the 1x1 header its all just 19pins and they have multi header support

so if this is true. there should be no usb2.0 header that can support 3 usb 2.0 headers

so if your mb has 2 usb2 headers. it might support 2 usb2 ports on the front panel. or it may support 3 or up to 4 max depending the physical limitations based off the number of pins

[haughty quail]

Wair whats all this gobbledegook even for?

Usb headers?

[spare sedge]

but if your mb has 2 usb3 headers it might support 2 usb3 ports on the front panel (which is backward with usb2) or it may support 3 or 4 or 5 or 6. it doesnt seem to matter. there doesnt seem to be a limit set by the physical limitations of the pins.

[haughty quail]

Ugh nvm

[spare sedge]

so now that this is the case, i think i can move on from usb

[haughty quail]

Bro what are you even talking about

Im so confused

[spare sedge]

now i fully understand what each of these on pcpp are.

usb 2.0 headers = 9 pin headers that support 2 headers each so 2 ports each. in this case 4 fp ports.
usb 2.0 headers (single port) = 4 pin headers that are getting phased out cause they only support 1 usb2.0 header. so 1 port on the fp.
usb 3.2 gen 1 headers = are the 1x1 headers that should only be for type a ports on the front panel, but they have multi port support so they support as many ports as the manufacturer says on the website or in their manual.
usb 3.2 gen 2 headers = are those rare 2x1 headers that are older now that still should only support type a but at a faster speed.
usb 3.2 gen 2x2 headers = are those type e headers that are for type c only that are more common.

[haughty quail]

Sorry to butt in but goddayum 11k comments. How's your PC building going?

What inthe hell

[spare sedge]

im guessing this one only has the uncommon 2x1 port because its a cheap ass board

[haughty quail]

Stop blabbering about usb ports and build the damn pc

💀

[spare sedge]

p good actually. now that i think ive figured out 19pin headers

[modest valve]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/edit?pli=1#gid=513674149

look at this tdy

[spare sedge]

im looking now

[haughty quail]

If you don't mind me asking: why 19 pins?

[haughty quail]

Ive been here since like 1k messages

[haughty quail]

God bless bro

It's chaos

[spare sedge]

oh ive already seen this

[haughty quail]

I'm confused how a PC guide has reached 11k comments

[spare sedge]

he has not been lmao

[modest valve]

i sent it yesterday but u prob didnt see it

[spare sedge]

i saw it

[haughty quail]

I'd obviously scroll up so it wouldn't need to be said but my Discord is not budging

[modest valve]

oh ok

[haughty quail]

Ik

😭 11k comments

[spare sedge]

i even replied saying thank you. this is a good source.

[haughty quail]

Most ive ever seen before this is 1k and it got shut down

Idfk how you can talk thousands of times about the same thing

In under 2 weeks

And this is like the second thread

First got taken down cuz of shitposters

Is it possible to ask for a TL;DR? I assume you just research the specific parts i.e. motherboard, SSD, graphics, etc. and create the build. Has the PC been built?

I dont even know if shes ordered the parts

I dont even know why this thread is still open

All the parts have been chosen

Theres lists miles above these messages

Not to be rude to dream or anything

But GODAMN just build the pc

[spare sedge]

tldr i used to be really dumb with computers

[modest valve]

Still choosing parts, but so far this is what we have:
cpu: 7950x3d
gpu: 4090
mb: probably x670e
ram: ddr5 cl30 6000mhz or cl28 5600mhz

[haughty quail]

STILL???

WHAT

[spring wraith]

laggin

[spare sedge]

now im average and i have to hide from my message count which shouldnt matter.

[haughty quail]

Yes it should

12k is absurd ngl

[modest valve]

its ok well get there

[haughty quail]

Still choosing parts? What seems to be the problem?

[spring wraith]

how many times does it have to be said

[haughty quail]

Is it a budget or parts issue?

[spring wraith]

theyre trying to get an understanding of computers

[spare sedge]

im working on a motherboard

[spring wraith]

not just a parts list

[spare sedge]

im leaving again tho

[haughty quail]

WHAT

[modest valve]

just let her do it, its ok

[haughty quail]

Godamn bro

[haughty quail]

I just got here so I apologize if I didn't read any of the above. I tried to scroll up but my Discord stopped budging like 1k messages up

Thats the problem

Like 10k messages you cant eve read

Just think that 12k messages is a lot

But ngl its fine ig

It took like 50 to tesch her what an aio was

And then 200 to explain how it works

@spare sedge If you'd like personal help with the actual operation of computers outside of just building a PC (in comparison to other things, building can be quite understandable for even beginners), I think DMs is a better solution. I say that because it will take a lot more discussion than the server can offer. If you want, I'd be happy to help whenever available

Fr bro

Just mentioning because channel is legit called #1106613567966429224 😅 I think we passed that

Theres like 50 people following this thread

And like 45 dont even do anything

Ik i sound rude but its all true

..Did she fr just leave her own thread

Aint no way?

For the better ig

Oh no way pokey is here

[brave brook]

yeah dms is a better solution, unless only like 2 people besides her are contributing

[haughty quail]

Which is not happening obv

[brave brook]

whats not happening, dms or fewer people

[brave brook]

?

[pure mica]

Same

[spare sedge]

i tried this but its usually hit or miss. not everyone knows everything about everything. i already do have dm help in addition to this google youtube and chatgpt. thank you. feel free to dm me if you want to help too.

i have a lot of people in dms but usually they know less than the people in here collectively except naol

[haughty quail]

Hit or miss is okay, it's a part of learning. And it's okay for not everyone to know everything either, neither do you 🙂 We can always improve

[spare sedge]

its not okay actually

[haughty quail]

In the most respectful way possible: if it's 1-2 people not knowing a lot, fair enough. If it's everyone you've spoken to, have you tried looking inwardly to see whether they truly don't know anything or if you need to adjust your expectations? Not necessarily saying your expectations are a bad thing, but maybe it is best to look elsewhere without looking down on others for what they presumably don't know

That's why you are also here, right? To ask questions?

There's nothing wrong with having standards - as long as you can also equally provide the same amount of experience/knowledge you're looking for. Nicely, I don't think that's what's happening since you are asking about a PC build 😅

[spare sedge]

i think you havent a clue whats going on

[haughty quail]

It's like asking a Mcdonald's worker to make you a Michelin meal 💀 wrong place, wrong person to be asking. Can you even make a Michelin meal? Seems like a crazy demand, right? But it's nice people are helping you anyway :)

[haughty quail]

Hm, maybe I would if it wasn't 11k messages long

Either way, happy to help

[grave spade]

I think it’s maybe better to get to understand the bare minimum that actually matters to choose parts. And then if you’re curious about the small details you can ask or google later in your free time, which really should be done in tech chat, but I guess is fine here

[haughty quail]

I agree, but I honestly think it should have been tech-chat the moment it started straying away from PC building.

[grave spade]

If this happened the full pc list probably would’ve been done in a day or two

And not a month

[haughty quail]

Real. 20 messages max tbh

[grave spade]

20 long messages 🤣

[haughty quail]

LMAO

[grave spade]

Holy

I kinda just stopped writing here and just checking in every so often because I just found myself repeating myself, including others, and then the advice isn’t taken

[haughty quail]

Yeah. I mean if it's like 1-2 people aren't helpful, then they could be the problem. If it's everyone in 11k messages.. 💀 yeah, it's not them.

[haughty quail]

You gave advice also?

[grave spade]

Yes

For 2-3 weeks 💀

[haughty quail]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

[grave spade]

Almost everything I said, which was the same as others, was basically ignored

Nobody who was here in the beginning is helping now

[haughty quail]

The problem clearly isn't the PC LMAO

[grave spade]

I guess she can write a book on the workings of a gaming pc

[haughty quail]

Yeah, but does she have the credentials? No, so she should not be demanding so much from others that she can't even provide herself

It's not what she knows or doesn't know, it's how she's approaching her own problems. That's why she hasn't built the PC in like a month

[grave spade]

Someone a month ago said this whole thing was a troll

I’m genuinely starting to think that now

[haughty quail]

Either that or she's 16 lol

[grave spade]

I refuse to believe a custom loop will be made

The amount of messages for when she’s building the pc

Imagine

Choosing which usb2 header to use on the motherboard

[haughty quail]

All this and not realizing it has jack to do with building

[grave spade]

Oh well

I guess the best to do is only answer questions that are directly relevant to choosing parts

Actually nvm she’ll keep asking I remember

[haughty quail]

Bruh imma just start posting my 8ball wins in here

It's a good shitpost

[grave spade]

I’m amazed by the other threads full of first time builders and their part lists

[haughty quail]

https://tenor.com/view/agree-gif-26233397

[spare sedge]

this is my free time

[grave spade]

I know

[haughty quail]

I thought you said you were too busy?

[grave spade]

Thumbs downing all the messages 💀

[spare sedge]

yeah cause theyre fucking dumb

i literally already went to fucking tech chat

first place i went to

[grave spade]

And the others?

[spare sedge]

and then you just say advice wasnt taken like thats fucking bullshit

it wasnt even advice on like parts it was just basic learning so to say that advice wasnt taken is such bullshit

[haughty quail]

LMAO

[spare sedge]

and then on top of that

you say you had to repeat yourself. but you literally didnt explain things fully all the time

[haughty quail]

Basic learning is all that is needed to build a PC. I understand wanting to go into detail, and that's completely fine, but if you didn't need help with research or what to find, don't you think you would have had a full PC by now?

[spare sedge]

you mistake a question for being asked multiple times when that wasnt the fucking case at all

[spare sedge]

what??

[haughty quail]

What you are asking for is beyond PC building at this point. Obviously it's fine to explore computers on a deeper level, but what you are researching has 0 actual application with building a PC. I mean, does knowing the tiny amount of 19 pin headers and the exact number of ridges on a motherboard help you in any way with the specs/parts you've chosen?

Has that helped you build the PC in any way?

[grave spade]

I tell you to do Intel, so do most people
You go AMD (not too deep)

I and others tell you to do 6000mhz ram
You go 5600mhz

I tell you to get an air cooled gpu and so do others and that aib makes little difference
You go for a water cooled card because one person said so

I tell you to go B650 and the that x670e is unnecessary and so do others
You go x670e

[spare sedge]

this doesnt even make sense

[grave spade]

And I answered all your questions at the time

[spare sedge]

actually NO

[grave spade]

Of course not

[spare sedge]

almost everyone in this thread has told me to go AMD

only 2 people have told me to do intel

and on top of this i have intel options i can swap to if i want

[grave spade]

Because you were so convinced with your 90:10 scheme thing 😭
You didn’t even realise

[spare sedge]

you dont even remember

[grave spade]

😭

[spare sedge]

it wasnt a 90 10 scheme

[haughty quail]

What is the point of asking for advice if you're already set on an answer?

[spare sedge]

i meant intel

which includes you and naol

[spare sedge]

BECAUSE I WASNT AT FIRST

[haughty quail]

I thought naol was the one you deemed the best with computers in this entire thread 🤔

[spare sedge]

i knew nothing about cpus and then when i did this fucker was mad i made a decision and chose the cpu i wanted

[haughty quail]

Who?

[spare sedge]

i never said that. i said they were helping me

[grave spade]

I’m just going to say something. Messaging here is completely voluntary. Though many people here have expressed frustration.
Maybe that says something?

[haughty quail]

I mean.. process of elimination. Everyone else is bad except one person automatically makes that person supposedly the best in the thread

[spare sedge]

yeah that doesnt mean they are deemed the best

[haughty quail]

If I have 6 cookies, then eat 5, does that mean there are no more cookies?

[spare sedge]

i just meant that i think the information they are telling me is accurate.

[haughty quail]

So accurate being the best possible answer for your decisions, defaulting to...

[spare sedge]

what???

[grave spade]

If there are inaccuracies there’s almost 50 people in this thread who can correct mistakes

[spare sedge]

makes no sense to me

[haughty quail]

Let's say there are three foods you like, but the other two you like more than the others. Does that mean the one you like the least is one you hate? No

[spare sedge]

its usually just about the message count

or that i went amd lmao

[haughty quail]

That's what I mean. By process of elimination, just because something isn't black or white doesn't mean it's not the last exception

[spare sedge]

i dont even gaf about the cpu war

im tired of the weird analogies. im done.

[grave spade]

22000+ messages over 2 threads.

[haughty quail]

LMAOO

[spare sedge]

that doesnt fucking matter

[haughty quail]

Over PC building?

[spare sedge]

just leave me alone

[haughty quail]

You responded 💀

[grave spade]

Ok

How are you Jim?

[haughty quail]

dream is typing...

[spare sedge]

this isnt even true. no one says to go air cooled

[haughty quail]

Doing pretty good honestly, wbu?

[grave spade]

Calm

On the toilet…

[haughty quail]

Bro fr doing a #2

[spare sedge]

dont message in this thread unless you are trying to help

its not for messing around

[grave spade]

I genuinely can’t believe this

[haughty quail]

Don't create a thread if you aren't asking for help

[spare sedge]

everyone told me to go aio which is the plan rn

[haughty quail]

Ngl I wasn't expecting this response 💀

[spare sedge]

<@&750150305383186585>

ive already tried blocking him

[haughty quail]

<@&750150305383186585>

Sure let's ping them lol

[grave spade]

Oh dear

[spare sedge]

i just want time alone so i can pick a motherboard and then come back to this

[haughty quail]

Just block. Not that hard

[spare sedge]

i also have been taking so long on motherboards because ive been looking into b650 mbs

everyone has been telling me to go x670e

only 2 people have told me to go b650

i already fucking blocked you but then katara was trying to increase the fucking message count by chatting with you here.

[spare sedge]

i didnt even go for a the suprim x liquid for this reason. one person did not tell me to go the suprim x liquid lmao

[haughty quail]

When it says 1 blocked message, you don't have to click my message. You have enough nerves in your brain to make decisions regarding your emotions. Besides, I was talking to Katara originally. You didn't need to respond to me, but you did, that is a decision you made 🤷‍♂️

[grave spade]

It’s because they’re fed up with you leaning towards x670e, so they just can’t be asked to argue otherwise. Same with the air cooled gpu and ram. When you repeatedly express you want the other option people try to respect that and give you what you want, everything that people say prior you just erase from memory

[spare sedge]

just leave me alone

[haughty quail]

Just like I made a decision to help you, you made a decision to be an asshole - the same way to the other 200 people who tried helping you originally

You keep responding, that's not on me at this point

[grave spade]

Ok leave her alone

There’s no point

[haughty quail]

🤷‍♂️

[spare sedge]

for fucks sake

never fucking learn

[grave spade]

Good luck

Until the next life

[spare sedge]

leave me alone

fuck off

[haughty quail]

https://tenor.com/view/kodok-acumalaka-gif-26159537

[haughty quail]

woww

[spare sedge]

so i think im right on everything except

2x1 headers might be able to be used for type c.

but im pretty sure you can't use the 19pin 1x1 headers for type c

and there is no 1x2 header

[spare sedge]

it can

so that means
usb2 headers = no type c
usb3 headers = no type c
usb3.2 gen 2x1 headers = type c works
usb3.2 gen 2x2 headers = type c works

obviously this is headers only

cause type c ports can use any spec as far back as usb2 im p sure

[brave brook]

Yep

[spare sedge]

im reviewing this gigabyte board but their wording is ass

what does usb 2.0/1.1 mean lol

i see the 2x1 usbc

i see the 2 usba 2x1 ports. they are red.

it says 5 1x1 type a ports but i only see 4 lmao

oh wait i guess the one above the 2x1 usbc is probably a 1x1 too.

it just looks different tho

and then i see the 4 usb2 on the left but idk how they could be usb 1.1. usb2 is NOT usb 1.1

[unique sparrow]

She didn't build yet?

[glacial schooner]

fr

[spare sedge]

also just confused by this

this is what the aorus elite actually has

yellow is rear io. gray is headers.

pink and purple is type c

but the header support isnt listed like other manufacturers do on their website

but if you subtract what they say is listed on their rear io

and what they say is in their internal connectors

[spare sedge]

from the USB inside this picture

it could leave you with this instead

so basically one of the 1x1 headers are not accounted for

and two of the usb2 headers are also not accounted for

[spare sedge]

before and after photos of organizing the riptide usb

i think i can safely say the elite has +1 extra usb2 header support on it than the riptide because the elite doesnt mark their header support but if you subtract the front and rear io from the total USB then you should be able to get the header support to know the full capability of the mbs usb features

and after looking at the board itself

it seems to be the case

because at the bottom left, the usb2s seem to be 9 pin each which means there are 2 usb 2 headers and both support +1 support meaning it has a total of 4 usb 2 header potential

[spare sedge]

and in this picture. this is displayed perfectly in my database

whereas i remember the riptide and i know that one of the riptide's usb2 headers is a 4 pin meaning that it works as a usb2 header but it has +0 header support

the other one is 9 pin meaning it still gets that +1 off one of them

interesting how both boards have the exact same headers. and how both boards have the exact same header count displayed on pcpp as 1, 1 , 2 but the riptide actually has less headers because it's header support is worse

im doing the live mixer next

[vast geyser]

god..

[nova patrol]

Did she buy the parts het

yet?

[glacial schooner]

no

[nova patrol]

ffs

how long have she been doing this

ive built my computer almost two months ago

[spare sedge]

if you arent going to comment about what im talking about, then just leave

like dont comment here.

[nova patrol]

bro

[spare sedge]

leave me alone

[nova patrol]

we all here to help you but you are being extra

just buy the parts

[glacial schooner]

im questioning if u will even buy the pc parts at the end

[spare sedge]

no you fucking arent

[nova patrol]

use pcpartpicker

[nova patrol]

i didnt use bad words toward you dont use bad words toward me

[vast geyser]

dream, youre really overcomplicating usb ports...

learning what all the pins do is worthless information

[nova patrol]

she will buy her parts next years

[glacial schooner]

ur being very picky

[spare sedge]

if you arent here to help. just leave me alone

[glacial schooner]

too picky

[nova patrol]

fr

i sent my parts list

here

and i got the help that i need

and my build went well

[spare sedge]

im asking about discrepansies on motherboard manufacturer's websites

please just leave me alone

[nova patrol]

but you are being overcomplied on the usb and knowing what the pins do. that shit you dont need to know. you just need to know where the pin goes and what does it turn on

[spare sedge]

i literally already know everything about usb.

so it doesnt fucking matter

the time spent has already been spent

[glacial schooner]

so then where are we at now

[nova patrol]

why are you not buying the parts

[spare sedge]

idk what parts i want

im not even close to a motherboard

and i wont be.

nothing anyone says is ever going to convince me

if you dont want to help. then i will do it myself

[glacial schooner]

ok then stfu and go on ur own way

yes

do that

[spare sedge]

<@&750150305383186585>

also just confused by this

this is what the aorus elite actually has
i think i can safely say the elite has +1 extra usb2 header support on it than the riptide because the elite doesnt mark their header support but if you subtract the front and rear io from the total USB then you should be able to get the header support to know the full capability of the mbs usb features. and after looking at the board itself. it seems to be the case

because at the bottom left, the usb2s seem to be 9 pin each which means there are 2 usb 2 headers and both support +1 support meaning it has a total of 4 usb 2 header potential

and in this picture. this is displayed perfectly in my database
whereas i remember the riptide and i know that one of the riptide's usb2 headers is a 4 pin meaning that it works as a usb2 header but it has +0 header support
the other one is 9 pin meaning it still gets that +1 off one of them
interesting how both boards have the exact same headers. and how both boards have the exact same header count displayed on pcpp as 1, 1 , 2 but the riptide actually has less headers because it's header support is worse
im doing the live mixer next

[nova patrol]

Bro just buy the parts

[grave spade]

Don’t bother answering her questions. I patiently answered all the questions she had for several weeks and then she said that I didn’t include enough detail. So don’t bother, she won’t even listen to your advice anyway. There’s enough information on the internet which she has repeatedly demonstrated she’s capable of finding so there’s no point

[glacial schooner]

fr

[nova patrol]

she aint going to build it.

[spare sedge]

also just confused by this
this is what the aorus elite actually has
i think i can safely say the elite has +1 extra usb2 header support on it than the riptide because the elite doesnt mark their header support but if you subtract the front and rear io from the total USB then you should be able to get the header support to know the full capability of the mbs usb features. and after looking at the board itself. it seems to be the case

because at the bottom left, the usb2s seem to be 9 pin each which means there are 2 usb 2 headers and both support +1 support meaning it has a total of 4 usb 2 header potential

and in this picture. this is displayed perfectly in my database
whereas i remember the riptide and i know that one of the riptide's usb2 headers is a 4 pin meaning that it works as a usb2 header but it has +0 header support
the other one is 9 pin meaning it still gets that +1 off one of them
interesting how both boards have the exact same headers. and how both boards have the exact same header count displayed on pcpp as 1, 1 , 2 but the riptide actually has less headers because it's header support is worse
im doing the live mixer next

here is the proart

[spare sedge]

im working on the pg lightning next

[pearl heath]

Just so I can catch up
What is your goal with this whole spreadsheeting this?
As far as I can tell, there is no discrepancy between what the manuals state, and what the motherboard have to offer

[spare sedge]

im just comparing the usb on the motherboards

i just finished up with the rog strix mb

https://dreamfable.notion.site/55a858fa856146f19124c6cae11c3ee4?v=559707e91e754ac681b8498908adaf96&pvs=4

here's my progress so far

[pearl heath]

Pcpartpicker already does this for you is the thing, which is why I am asking

[spare sedge]

no that's not the case at all

my question earlier was specifically about header support which are additional headers you get electrically.

ASrock is really good about listing them

but when i did gigabyte earlier i think. i had a horrible time. but i ultimately had to settle on my best guess cause i couldnt find a clear answer or any help

but i just subtracted the known USB from this basically.

and then i was able to get my 3 hidden header supports

if i miss a USB, then the comparison is inaccurate.

the whole point of the comparison is to choose a mb

[brave brook]

There’s more than enough usb for anyone on x670e

[spare sedge]

it seems like it so far!

but ive only just now made it to 1 x670e board

[brave brook]

And you’ll only probably be using 2-4 headers max

[spare sedge]

and honestly im not blown away ngl

[pearl heath]

Which is the point of x670e, having a second chipset for increased connectivity

[brave brook]

If you’re doing x670e, why not just look at those

[pearl heath]

However, most modern cases don't even have front panel USB 2.0 anymore

[lavish nexus]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[pearl heath]

At least, I'd hope they don't lmao

[lavish nexus]

Nah I haven’t seen one

[pearl heath]

So internal USB 2.0 headers are just for internal devices like your occasional AIO or RGB hub or something

[lavish nexus]

Tbh most boards now have limited usb 2.0 connectivity

[spare sedge]

here is the pg lightning vs the proart

pg lightning on the left

[brave brook]

Well, some have a lot of usb 2 on the back. I’ve seen a couple x670e mbs with that

[spare sedge]

the proart is a B650 board

[lavish nexus]

Yea but it’s getting more sparing as time goes on

[spare sedge]

and honestly, yeah it misses out on the 2x2 but the usbc with dp is amazing

and at 2x1, it is a 1.4dp

[open iris]

i mean

[lavish nexus]

[brave brook]

You aren’t going to do shit with that

[open iris]

who is really not just going to use their actual display ports

[spare sedge]

well thats what im saying

[open iris]

and who tf using a usbc only monitor on their pc

[spare sedge]

is i would probably go with the proart over the x670e board based off usb alone

[open iris]

but i guess if you do great??

[pearl heath]

Especially considering you aren't ever going to use motherboard display outs if you have a graphics card

[spare sedge]

i mean maybe me

[open iris]

like sure it's technichally better but you actually have to consider why tf you'd use it

[lavish nexus]

No matter what you pick you’re gonna make a compromise somewhere

[spare sedge]

how does this work exactly

[lavish nexus]

Another product will always have something better in a certain area

[open iris]

which is why minmaxing usb ports is pretty silly tbh

[pearl heath]

CPU has iGPU which the motherboard display ports are linked to
Graphics card display ports are tied to graphics card

[spare sedge]

yep, im prepared to make an opportunity cost decision

[lavish nexus]

Then make it 🤦🏼‍♂️😂

[spare sedge]

so if i used the rear io on the mb at all, ill be using the igpu only?

[lavish nexus]

Why have you spent 2 weeks looking for mother boards it’s not that deep

[spare sedge]

i have 7 options half compiled

im no where near ready

[pearl heath]

If you use a motherboard display port, that display will be powered by the iGPU

[vast geyser]

maybe for a 2nd monitor tbh

[open iris]

any gpu usually has enough ports for 3 on its own

[pearl heath]

Graphics cards have 4 ports at minimum for any respectable decision
Use them lol

[spare sedge]

what about everything else on the rear io

[pearl heath]

Those are entirely disconnected from graphics anything

[vast geyser]

ahhh but those 3 fps

[lavish nexus]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[spare sedge]

so then does the gpu have a rear io too. i thought it was just the 1 hdmi sometimes 2 hdmi

[pearl heath]

No

The graphics card just does display stuff

[vast geyser]

its in the name

[pearl heath]

And only display stuff

[vast geyser]

i mean cant u crack passwords with gpus

[pearl heath]

1 HDMI and 3 DisplayPort usually

[spare sedge]

i mean you would think they would put all the connectors on the gpu if the connectors on the mb are basically useless

[brave brook]

The motherboard io is not just display, it’s also usb, audio and Ethernet

[spare sedge]

oh okay

any other connections

[pearl heath]

What?

[spare sedge]

i remember the dp too actually

[brave brook]

Not for specific Igpu cpus

[pearl heath]

The graphics card handles graphics
The motherboard handles everything else

[open iris]

how did you come to this conclusion

[brave brook]

When amd makes their 7000 g series, they’ll be useful

[spare sedge]

i just think think its annoying. like why even put an hdmi or dp on the rear io

[pearl heath]

You can have USB PCIe cards and ethernet PCIe cards and audio PCIe cards but the motherboard has those built in too

[open iris]

for people with no gpu?

[vast geyser]

every 7000 cpu has an igpu

[lavish nexus]

In case you have a cpu with a iGPU…

[pearl heath]

Because CPUs have built in iGPUs that some people may end up using

[vast geyser]

except for like the 7500f ig

[open iris]

or just using the igpu at all

[spare sedge]

so if i install the cards, will they use the gpu or igpu

[pearl heath]

Stop overcomplicating it

[glacial schooner]

or to troubleshoot

[pearl heath]

Lmao

[brave brook]

They are already, because regular 7000 series can display an image, but will not game

[vast geyser]

sorry its like a virus

[pearl heath]

Will what use the GPU or iGPU?

[lavish nexus]

Think dreams’s went far past that point already

[pearl heath]

Yes, but other people don't need to add anything extra

[spare sedge]

USB PCIe cards and ethernet PCIe cards and audio PCIe cards
things like this

[pearl heath]

State the exact answer to their question and nothing more

[pearl heath]

Those interface with the motherboard and talk with the CPU

The graphics anything are unrelated to any additional expansion cards

[lavish nexus]

Audio cards are pretty much useless nowadays. Motherboard audio is actually decent now

[brave brook]

That has nothing to do with display

[pearl heath]

The PCIe bus is a universal bus on the motherboard that allows for expansion cards to be added which can then talk with the CPU

[spare sedge]

what is a USB PCIe card

[brave brook]

A card you plug into the pcie slot for more usb

[lavish nexus]

A card that expands usb connectivity

[pearl heath]

It is a PCIe card that adds USB ports, which a quick Google search would've shown

[vast geyser]

3 people all giving the same answer

[lavish nexus]

Woah now…. That’s too much common sense chill

[brave brook]

And we’ve already talked about this before, why is it being asked again

[spare sedge]

and since USB isnt graphics usually. it doesnt matter if it uses the gpu.

so the PCIe slots dont use the gpu unless it is the gpu.

[brave brook]

It won’t use either gpu lol, whether it’s the dgpu or the igpu

[spare sedge]

and instead will be p much cpu bound

[brave brook]

No they’re connected to the cpu

[lavish nexus]

Bro you are over complicating the hell outta this for no reason 🤦🏼‍♂️

[brave brook]

Just pick a motherboard. They’ll all have what you need

[spare sedge]

yeah ik

[brave brook]

Like the MSI one I linked to. It has lots of usb and m.2

[lavish nexus]

The x670e yes has everything you could need. If it doesn’t go with a server board and buy threadripper or sum

[vast geyser]

with the price of the entire pc you can buy a low end threadripper

[pearl heath]

Well, the PCIe slots are just physical connections to the electrical PCIe bus
The PCIe bus just exists to provide an electrical connection between any add-in card and the CPU

[lavish nexus]

Not older gen they’ve came down a lot

[pearl heath]

They really haven't lol

[spare sedge]

oh since you guys are here. i have something im still confused on.

i really dont understand this at all. motherboard manufacturers will always list things under stuff like

CPU

chipset

and this one has cpu + hub

[brave brook]

Some are connected to the cpu, some are connected to the chipset, some are connected through a usb hub on the chipset

[lavish nexus]

Just depends what model you get the 8 core models can be had for a lot lower price

[pearl heath]

They are stating where each physical port on the board is electrically connected

[spare sedge]

i know someone tried explaining this before but i really have no idea what they meant

[pearl heath]

You should try to find a block diagram for the motherboards you care about

[spare sedge]

so how does the the cpu or the chipset have a usb hub. i dont get that

[pearl heath]

It doesnt

[spare sedge]

afaik. a usb hub is an external device you plug into your laptop lol

[pearl heath]

The 'USB Hub' the motherboard is describing is an additional chip that provides additional connections

[brave brook]

It’s that but internal

[spare sedge]

oh so its just a chip

[brave brook]

Yes it’s “just a chip”

[spare sedge]

so this notation tells you which physical parts get their lanes from

[brave brook]

Yes

Idk why, it doesn’t really matter

[spare sedge]

is it usually only the cpu and chipset that give out lanes? and does the cpu or chipset have a max number of lanes then?

[pearl heath]

The latter

Modern Ryzen processors have 24 PCIe 5.0 lanes or whatever

[brave brook]

Yes there’s a max, we’ve been through this before too.

[lavish nexus]

Haven’t you already asked this multiple times

[pearl heath]

+4 reserved for connecting to the chipset

[spare sedge]

ive heard x670e has double the lanes of b650 but thats about it

[brave brook]

I don’t think it’s double

[spare sedge]

a lot of people say that too

[brave brook]

Because the chipsets are wired in serial instead of parallel

[spare sedge]

so is that the whole point of the chipset? just to be a bank full of lanes on the mb thats not the cpu itself

[brave brook]

It’s to give the cpu more lanes

[spare sedge]

and is it the cpu the determines the number of lanes or the cpu socket area and its determined by the motherboard?

[lavish nexus]

NOOO not another graph to confuse her 🫠

[pearl heath]

CPU determines lane count

[spare sedge]

so a better cpu could basically plug into a cheap motherboard and still give the overall system a high number of lanes basically

[brave brook]

It’s mainly the chipset,

[pearl heath]

No

All Ryzen 7000 CPUs have 24 lanes

[spare sedge]

oh okayy

but like if you were to drop down from that you would probably lose lanes

but then the motherboard does determine some number of lanes based off the chipset

[pearl heath]

All AM5 boards support all Ryzen 7000 CPUs

There is no 'dropping down'

You don't lose lanes, ever

[spare sedge]

and this is strange, this means the x670e boards were released first

[vast geyser]

all am5 boards having bios flashback is so ❤️

[pearl heath]

However, it is up to the motherboard manufacturer to utilise the lanes in their design

[spare sedge]

you can go to 5000 series

[pearl heath]

Not necessarily

[pearl heath]

That's not AM5

[spare sedge]

i didnt know that

[brave brook]

….

[spare sedge]

so all am5 is 24 lanes

[pearl heath]

You're missing the forest for the trees

[pearl heath]

All Ryzen 7000 is 24 lanes

[spare sedge]

well yeah but am5 is only 7000

[pearl heath]

In the future it'll support Ryzen 8000 and Ryzen 9000

[spare sedge]

cool

[pearl heath]

Lanes are an inherently CPU thing

[spare sedge]

so eventually you can get more lanes from the 8000 or 9000 unless they stay at 24 lanes for some reason

[pearl heath]

Motherboards use the lanes to connect I/O

[spare sedge]

which means if you upgrade you can potentially use more of your mb at the same time cause ive heard most motherboards cant use all of their connections at the same time due to the number of lanes

[pearl heath]

They will stay at 24 lanes

[open iris]

i think ryzen 3000 and 5000 also have 24 lanes

[pearl heath]

You may be thinking of some SATA ports being disabled when using an M.2 slot

Which is always going to be true

[brave brook]

3000 has 16

[spare sedge]

yeah probably

but 3000 is am4 then too

[brave brook]

Yes

Only 7000 is am5

[pearl heath]

New motherboards with new chipsets were released with each successive generation of Ryzen CPU

Yes they were all AM4

[spare sedge]

what exactly is bios flashback

[vast geyser]

allows you to update bios without any components except psu plugged in

[brave brook]

Allowing you to update an old bios or fix a corrupted bios without even a cpu in the motherboard

[spare sedge]

wow thats amazing

is it like a button

and you just press it before the pc posts

[vast geyser]

you plug in a usb drive with the bios file, then press a button

[brave brook]

Usually you have to go into the bios to update it, which was a problem in am4 with older motherboards and newer cpus

[pearl heath]

No, you do not turn the PC on during this at all

You do not touch anything whilst flashback is happening

[brave brook]

It won’t post if you need bios flashback lol

[vast geyser]

i dont think you can fix corrupt bios?

[pearl heath]

It can

[brave brook]

That’s what flashing is for

[spare sedge]

well yeah. i just meant the sequence

[vast geyser]

so if your bios is fucked up from the flashback you flashback it again or what

[brave brook]

If it’s bricked, the boards dead

[pearl heath]

The sequence is you press the button
And it updates the BIOS

[pearl heath]

No

[pearl heath]

Yeah

[brave brook]

Wait really?

[vast geyser]

oh huh

wtf thats neat

[spare sedge]

so it is a button. and its just located on the board? or do i need the usb flash drive thing.

[pearl heath]

You can always reprogram the BIOS chip manually if you have the right tools

[vast geyser]

so i never have to worry about fucking up my bios again

[pearl heath]

You still need to provide the BIOS file via a USB stick

[vast geyser]

its located in the rear io

[spare sedge]

so do you make the usb stick yourself

[brave brook]

It’s a button on usually the top of the rear panel of the motherboard. There’ll be a specific usb port you need to plug in a flash drive to with the bios

[pearl heath]

But with the USB stick in the right slot with the correct BIOS file, you press the flashback button and the motherboard will update its BIOS without need for any components to be connected

[pearl heath]

Yes

[spare sedge]

and none come with the board im guessing

[pearl heath]

Motherboards also have BIOS flashing utilities built into the BIOS, the flashback functionality is only for special cases

[pearl heath]

Correct

[brave brook]

You should just get this motherboard
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rmbTwP/msi-mpg-x670e-carbon-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mpg-x670e-carbon-wifi

[vast geyser]

oh creeper.. if the answer was that easy

[spare sedge]

i will add this to my options right now

[pearl heath]

I hate recommending X670 and X670E motherboards

Both are objectively stupid for your average consumer

[brave brook]

Yeahhhhh

[spare sedge]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI

heres the website

[vast geyser]

seems like the best of both worlds honestly..

at the price of a bmw

from germany

[pearl heath]

You get I/O that you'll never need and you pay $250 extra
Seems like the worst of both worlds

[vast geyser]

with 100k km

[brave brook]

I’d maybe recommend x670, but yeah x670e isn’t really worth it

[vast geyser]

i mean yeah, no point going past a gaming x or the aorus elite, but /shrug

[spare sedge]

this is a bruh moment tho. does it really only support ddr5 4800 memory lmao

[vast geyser]

jedec

you can use expo and get it higher

aka, OC the ram

[brave brook]

No they’re all at least 6000

[spare sedge]

oh so when you say jedec. you mean the speed on the physical ram. the base speed.

[pearl heath]

Yes and no
That is what they may have tested it up to

[spare sedge]

ik about expo

[pearl heath]

Actual maximum speed is... A mystery most of the time

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

and i also know you can set the ram speed to whatever you want

[vast geyser]

not whatever

cause the memory controller on ryzen 7000 is a bit sketch

[pearl heath]

Unless you're willing to find out yourself, it will cost about 2-3 days and most of your sanity to find your motherboard's maximum RAM speed

[spare sedge]

every board up until this point lists all the jedec ddr5 memory speeds.

[vast geyser]

honestly
yknow what would be fun to try? buy the hynix a die kit for $70 and tinker with it

[spare sedge]

ive heard of hynix

[brave brook]

Not for a first time builder imo

[vast geyser]

sure.. buuut

[spare sedge]

yeah i mean you cant go too high. and in the case of am5, you can only really go to 6400

[vast geyser]

6400 if lucky

[pearl heath]

You can go significantly higher with the right settings

[brave brook]

But for the average consumer, 6000 is fine

[pearl heath]

But I refuse to elaborate unless asked because that is so much extra information that is extraordinarily unnecessary

[vast geyser]

i mean isnt 8000 gear 2 like the same as 6000 gear 1 in performance or smth

[pearl heath]

Only with certain CPUs

[vast geyser]

got it

[vast geyser]

just buy a normal ram kit, and that kit

[spare sedge]

so my thing is this.

if expo is a mini oc. and you oc the ram past the jedec to some supported speed. isnt that slightly worse than just having the ram stick with a jedec of that speed.

im guessing this is a way to save a quick buck or get around compatibility issues but

[brave brook]

Jedec is always 4800, I think

[vast geyser]

no

[spare sedge]

oh

[vast geyser]

jedec can go up to like 6000

6000cl38 or smth

[pearl heath]

JEDEC has specifications all the way up to 8400

[spare sedge]

so is jedec based off ddr5 standard or is it based off per stick

[pearl heath]

JEDEC are the creators of the DDR5 standard

[vast geyser]

jedec basically means the base speed of the ram
theres a lot of base speeds

[spare sedge]

ohh right cause ram manufactuers will just say the speed is higher than 4800 when its not. they used expo already

[pearl heath]

JEDEC timings suck usually which is why EXPO and XMP profiles are always better

[brave brook]

Yeah

[spare sedge]

okay cool. yeah i forget about that.

[pearl heath]

JEDEC speeds are timings are just to make sure the RAM works and is stable, which is important for servers that use DDR5

[spare sedge]

right so the jedec for ddr5 only goes up to 4800. its not 4800 for all of them obviously mb.

meaning anything past 4800 is going to be a mini oc.

does expo or mini ocing like this hurt the ram

[pearl heath]

No

Also it's not 'mini' at all

It is just an overclock

[brave brook]

An overclock that the ram is designed for

[spare sedge]

alr

[pearl heath]

Not designed for, just picked to run at that speed

[spare sedge]

i love how msi did this. this is what the people need.

wow it has a 2x1 dp

[pearl heath]

Eeeh
I'd rather have a block diagram and just using my eyes

[vast geyser]

clear cmos button

❤️

wish i had that

[pearl heath]

You likely have a header for that on your motherboard

[vast geyser]

its fine.. my Z690 UD is a tank..

[pearl heath]

Use your motherboard manual to find a jbat1 or clrcmos header, then wire your case's reset switch to it

[spare sedge]

yeah they still dont list the quantity which is weird. and the red is eh

[pearl heath]

Quantity of what?

[spare sedge]

so does bios flashback always work as long as you have the prepared stick

[spare sedge]

like for the usb. but i can just look

[pearl heath]

Yes

[spare sedge]

my fear with it now is just preparing the stick.

like what if i dont have it ready before hand

id be screwed

[vast geyser]

hm

[pearl heath]

Currently you don't need to worry about flashback since all current AM5 CPUs work with all current AM5 motherboards out of the box

[pearl heath]

You don't need it

[spare sedge]

wym

[pearl heath]

Read this

BIOS flashback is 1 of 2 ways of updating a motherboard BIOS

[spare sedge]

well i guess i just assumed this would be the case.

[pearl heath]

You only 'need' to update if your motherboard currently doesn't support the CPU you're putting into it

[spare sedge]

i would hope am5 cpus worked with am5 mbs

[brave brook]

They do now because there’s only been 1 generation

[pearl heath]

Flashback will be useful for new buyers when Ryzen 8000 comes out

[spare sedge]

im asking cause ive had no post issues before. i thought this was about fixing a no post problem not a cpu upgrade problem

[vast geyser]

you dont have a laptop or anything?

[spare sedge]

i have a laptop

[brave brook]

No it’s usually used for a cpu upgrade problem

[spare sedge]

im on it right now

[pearl heath]

Not POSTing can be caused by so many different things

[spare sedge]

oh so it doesnt really work for general no post issues

[pearl heath]

Unsupported CPU is one of them and a BIOS update can fix that

[spare sedge]

like it might

[pearl heath]

But a BIOS update won't fix a dead RAM stick
Or a faulty SATA controller
Or a missing CPU

[vast geyser]

oh btw, i have a clear cmos jumper yeah

[spare sedge]

so your mb can run a cpu that isnt supported by just using bios flashback

[pearl heath]

Wire your case's reset switch to it

[pearl heath]

Your motherboard can be made to support a new CPU with BIOS flashback via updating the BIOS to the latest version

[vast geyser]

i dont think i have a reset switch

[pearl heath]

I rephrased your statement to make it more correct

[pearl heath]

Any button will do then

[vast geyser]

i only have 2 buttons

rgb and the power one

meh, whatever

[spare sedge]

oh so not like a non am5 cpu or a intel cpu in this case

[brave brook]

Intel and amd will never be compatible, at least not for the foreseeable future

[spare sedge]

alr

[pearl heath]

I mean you still need an AM5 CPU

AM5 is an AMD socket and will always remain that way

Like LGA1700 is an Intel socket and will always remain that way

[spare sedge]

i guess i was just thinking the bios flashback could do something

but basically nah

[vast geyser]

oh huh my motherboard is so neat what i just realized i have 3 m.2 slots and all pcie 4

[spare sedge]

so bios flashback really only fixes correct cpus and future cpus that have weird bios settings

[pearl heath]

Settings do not come into play here

[spare sedge]

ohh

[pearl heath]

Flashback is a method of updating the BIOS

That is all it is

[spare sedge]

so bios is more than just the settings

[pearl heath]

Yes

BIOS stands for Basic Input/Output System

[brave brook]

Imma let you take it from here. See y’all later

[pearl heath]

It handles a lot of things

[spare sedge]

hm okayy

[vast geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-to-me-bear-wave-hi-hello-gif-15788266

[spare sedge]

this msi board has the best usb spread ive ever seen

[pearl heath]

The options are nice but you're likely only going to be using 4 ports at a time maybe ever

[vast geyser]

so true

[spare sedge]

yeah i wont need much. which is why, for my price point i dont really like seeing 8x usb 2.0 tbh

its not a huge deal but like

[vast geyser]

ok im using 6 rn but i could drop down to 5 or 4 idk what im saying

[spare sedge]

this msi board has plenty on the rear io

[vast geyser]

unless you want a different aesthetic, i dont see a reason to buy another motherboard unless you go cheaper

[spare sedge]

or is it really that well known

[pearl heath]

I definitely see a reason to go for a different motherboard

[spare sedge]

i know about the taichi

[pearl heath]

(I hate the existence of X670E)

[vast geyser]

b650e taichi lite

[brave brook]

I use a lot. In fact, I had to get a usb card

[pearl heath]

This is a good motherboard

[spare sedge]

if you dont mind me asking. what do you use it all for. i want ideas.

[vast geyser]

rn i have my wheel, mic, headset, keyboard and mouse and speakers plugged in
and bluetooth adapter

[pearl heath]

I have a mouse, keyboard, audio interface, and dac/amp plugged in
That is all

[vast geyser]

i can def remove the wheel but the usb port is like 1m away, so far

[spare sedge]

whats a wheel lol

[vast geyser]

a driving wheel
logitech g29

i use it to play fortnite

[spare sedge]

oh for like gaming

thats cool

[vast geyser]

yeah, sim racing

[spare sedge]

whats a dac/amp

[vast geyser]

audio stuff

[pearl heath]

Digital to Analogue converter
Amplifier

[spare sedge]

i thought the audio interface was apart of the mb itself

[pearl heath]

It is

I don't like it

[vast geyser]

you can have external ig

[pearl heath]

So I use my own

[spare sedge]

OH wow so you can get your own

[brave brook]

I have a keyboard, a mouse, an Xbox controller, a hdd/ssd toaster (a dock for internal storage drives), headset, on-desk usb hub, webcam

[vast geyser]

yep
thats why audio interface generally doesnt matter on a motherboard

[open iris]

its pretty shit the in built mb one if youre using anything more than just like a gamer headset

[vast geyser]

if you want good audio, you go external anyway

[open iris]

if youre just using your average gamer headphones doesnt really matter frankly

[spare sedge]

whats a toaster

[brave brook]

I told you

[vast geyser]

its literally in the ()

[spare sedge]

i dont remember

[brave brook]

Reread it

[vast geyser]

arent the ones on high end motherboards good though

[spare sedge]

OH

so basically like a usb hub but for more ssds and hdds

[vast geyser]

id imagine alc 4080 cant be that bad

[open iris]

not even close to a dedicated dac/amp

[brave brook]

Kinda. I wouldn’t use it regularly. I just got it for old computers’ hdds. It’s mainly so if you find a drive you want to look at but not necessarily put into your system.

[spare sedge]

so this section is almost always useless then because anything that plugs into you mb directly wont use your dgpu

[brave brook]

Generally yes

[spare sedge]

but its good to know for connections and you can still use these for troubleshooting if you have an igpu

which i will

[pearl heath]

You're assuming you're going to have to troubleshoot?

[vast geyser]

+if youre planning on using those lots of monitors that you were talking about, might be useful

[spare sedge]

cause like if your dgpu fails

[vast geyser]

igpu saves lives

[spare sedge]

ive had bad experiences

i care a lot about the troubleshooting power of the mb

[vast geyser]

when i had to RMA my 6700xt, i was able to continue on grinding payday 2

[glacial schooner]

whats rma

[vast geyser]

warranty

[glacial schooner]

with the igpu?

[vast geyser]

no, i warrantied my 6700xt

[glacial schooner]

like u grinded payday

[vast geyser]

cause a fan was dying

[glacial schooner]

with igpu?

[vast geyser]

yes

[glacial schooner]

oh

how was it

[vast geyser]

i played payday 2 on my igpu

[vast geyser]

720p low

i think that describes it

[glacial schooner]

how much fpses

[vast geyser]

like 60 on a good day

[brave brook]

With all all the amd “6” series motherboards having bios flashback, and serveral having a clear cmos button, they have strong troubleshooting

[vast geyser]

nothing beat post codes though

[brave brook]

Yeah that’s true

[pearl heath]

This is such an extraordinarily unlikely situation but fair enough

[vast geyser]

not that unlikely though

shit happens

or for example you have extraordinarily loud coil whine, and returning the gpu and hoping you get better luck

[brave brook]

Also if your gpu is dead on arrival

That is unlikely but possible

[spare sedge]

here is the full range of USB the carbon has to offer

i had to subtract to find the electrical headers but thats fine

[vast geyser]

ok but seriously i gotta ask, why are you so curious about how many usb ports a motherboard has

sure, you can look at them, but thats way too technical

most stuff is usb 2 anyway

[violet cedar]

been a while just popping in to say hi. Forgot this still was going lol

[spare sedge]

its a good place to start. USB is pretty familiar to everyone and its a good way to compare features since most of the features you use are USB

from what i hear most people only use 1 PCIe slot

[vast geyser]

yeah, especially if the motherboard already has wifi

[spare sedge]

hi sorry

[open iris]

counterpoint, sure but unless you actually have a plan for each usb slot im not sure how its helpful to you

[spare sedge]

wifi is a must have for me

[vast geyser]

the only pcie thing you might ever need is nvme expansion, but i doubt youre going to use all of them that already exist

[open iris]

you can also use pcie to make up for a lack of usb so there is that

[spare sedge]

for both troubleshooting, vanlife potential and it saves 1 usb and convenience

for all of those reasons. i will ONLY choose a mb that has wifi

[vast geyser]

fair

[spare sedge]

which helps narrow it

[brave brook]

There’s basically only 1 x4 slot available

[violet cedar]

yea I am only using one right now and I am stuck using one only. But depending on what else a person uses like a usb card or capture card

[spare sedge]

i do plan on using ethernet but yeah. and im interested in ethernet hotspot devices

[violet cedar]

though a usb card would be nice I just cant with all my nvme slots used so rip

[spare sedge]

wait capture cards are for streaming

[brave brook]

So just get the msi

[vast geyser]

eh, not needed tbf

4090 already has great encoders

maybe for consoles though

[brave brook]

Yeah

[spare sedge]

but like streaming weird stuff like the 3ds

i always wondered how that worked as a kid