do all cases have a front panel
#♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡
spare sedge
brave brook
yes
there are many different configurations
some have usb c, some have usb a 3.0, some older ones have usb 2.
spare sedge
so wait, does the front panel connect to the headers? to grant them the spec clearance?
or does the case decide the spec
ik all the specs by heart
brave brook
yes, they connect to the headers.
modest valve
the front panel has wires for usbs/ power which connect to headers on your mobo
brave brook
your motherboard has to have the headers that the case needs
not all motherboards have usb c internal headers (x670e will almost certainly have one)
spare sedge
theres only 7 that you need to know. and 1 of them is the budget spec and 2 more are barely out right now.
usb2 is the budget usb. and usb4 and usb4 ver2 are rare.
the other 4 are all 3.2 which are easy.
brave brook
you could call it budget, its just slow, and only good for mice, and other low priority devices
spare sedge
its when a manufacturer wants to add a lot of value for little money so they might throw in like 9 usb2s lmao
brave brook
the other 4 are all 3.2 which are easy.
yeah, all 3.2 thanks to the asinine usb namers. and usb 4, the "night in shining armor" didnt do shit for clearing up confusion
brave brook
its when a manufacturer wants to add a lot of value for little money so they mig...
nah, the extra value would be making it all 10gb usb
for all the people who wont use it xD
spare sedge
i actually like the names cause i memorized them. the old names were trying to be like usb2. the new names were trying to be pcie. and usb4 is trying to go back to usb2 naming. which is fine. i like the new naming cause its just the gen + lanes
so 3.0 and 3.1 gen 1 are just 1x1
brave brook
i actually like the names cause i memorized them. the old names were trying to b...
but there arent lanes in usb
spare sedge
im p sure they get 1 lane
brave brook
its not like usb 3 20gb is 2 usb 10gb
spare sedge
but the 1x2 and the 2x2 get 2 lanes
brave brook
but the 1x2 and the 2x2 get 2 lanes
what is the 1x2
brave brook
thats the same as usb 3.1 gen 1, and 3.0
spare sedge
1x2 is kind of rare
brave brook
gen 1 usb is 5gb, gen 2 usb is 10gb, and gen 2x2 usb is 20gb
brave brook
1x2 is kind of rare
yeah because it got renamed to usb 3.2 gen 2 so quickly
spare sedge
theres 4 usb3.2s
brave brook
no?
spare sedge
and 3.0 / 3.1 doesnt exist anymore
like they are still out there because they cant be renamed
but they dont exist
the 3.0s and 3.1s are all 3.2s now
brave brook
well, what would have been usb 3.2 (usb 20gb) was never a thing, because it was usb 3.2 gen 2x2
why tf did they have to do this
spare sedge
which is only type c
brave brook
which is only type c
what is only type c?
spare sedge
why tf did they have to do this
this is so correct but its the worst chart
i can help you
one sec
brave brook
its the easiest for me to understand
spare sedge
its the easiest for me to understand
i have an easier one for you
youll be a master after this
brave brook
i mean....
brave brook
the only specific connector you have to remember is usb 20gb can only be type c, and usb b can only be 5gb
spare sedge
its also why discusing 1x2 is annoying.
because theres no other names
its literally just a 3.0 with 2 lanes instead of 1
brave brook
no
at least i dont think so
im pretty sure its just usb but 10gb instead of 5gb, theres no lanes to speak of, as i said
spare sedge
heres the source for this one
so 3.0. 3.1 gen 1. 3.2 gen 1 and 1x1 are all the same. i understand why it was annoying. but the 1x1 names are better
orchid gate
How about you grab that image of the header count, and black out all the names then rename them to USB 3.2 Gen 1 nxn or as necessary to match 3.2
brave brook
all you have to remember is anything gen 1 is 5Gb, anything gen 2 is 10Gb, and gen 2x2 is 20Gb
spare sedge
orchid gate
So 1x2 and 2x1 are both 10Gb
brave brook
is that usb 20gb?
spare sedge
all you have to remember is anything gen 1 is 5Gb, anything gen 2 is 10Gb, and g...
this is also not true. the 3.2 gen 1x2 IS a gen 1 technically. it just has a higher bandwidth.
brave brook
this is also not true. the 3.2 gen 1x2 IS a gen 1 technically. it just has a hig...
wtf is 3.2 gen 1x2
brave brook
that literally doesnt exist
spare sedge
LOL
orchid gate
Their speed cap is identical
brave brook
<@797640137273901137> gaze carefully
no one ever says it that way
spare sedge
its cause its usbc only
orchid gate
possibly just more consistently able to reach 10Gbps when writing large loads
perhaps only theoretically
spare sedge
back in the day people were quick to think that all usbc was faster than usba but thats not the case
the 1x2 is basically the shitty usbc
lol
brave brook
Well USB 4 is inbound
iirc usb 4 is c only
brave brook
usb a caps at 10gb
orchid gate
the 1x2 is basically the shitty usbc
Well I mean not much use for 20Gbps :p
except maybe external SSD uses for big photograph batches
brave brook
thats why theres usually only 1, for that 1 20gb usb device you have
spare sedge
orchid gate
and ik GBps≠Gbps
brave brook
link plz?
brave brook
and ik GBps≠Gbps
who doesnt
orchid gate
who doesnt
Networking noobs confuse MBps and Mbps frequently
brave brook
link please?
orchid gate
Doesn’t seem professionally worded
More like dream wrote it herself
no inflammatory intent
brave brook
yeah so its usbc only 10gb usb
wonderfull
i always wanted more shit usb names
yay..... 😶
its the usb no one asked for
orchid gate
For some reason I’m always triggered by people writing in vernacular language
brave brook
?
orchid gate
Prefer wording that’s not too repetitive :p
brave brook
i try not to do that either
orchid gate
This doesn’t contribute to anything 😉 just a comment
orchid gate
Seems you can pin messages here now
Probably only dream can
it’s just the category exists
brave brook
the best way to talk about usb is the Gbps
as laid out by Linus when usb was renamed twice
orchid gate
Night
spare sedge
sorry i wanted to get a better source
its because usbc itself is a dual lane connector. so its inherent.
and only 2 of those lanes are transmit. there are 2 more lanes for receiving so technically like 4 lanes. but the naming convention refers to just the transmit receiver bandwidth one way.
cause although yes there is 4 lanes, its still in reference to the actual one way bandwidth. you wouldnt call it 1x4 because it had 2 transmit lanes and 2 receiver lanes.
glacial schooner
have u built your pc yet
spare sedge
no
glacial schooner
when will u
spare sedge
after i pick the parts
then i will buy them
then i will post here and then i will mark solved
glacial schooner
whats taking so long to pick parts
spare sedge
im stuck on mb
glacial schooner
but it says x670e
spare sedge
the front panel has wires for usbs/ power which connect to headers on your mobo
so thats the whole point of the headers then? its really only meant for the front panel of whatever case you get and then whatever you have leftover is basically useless unless you had some sort of weird header to port adapter?
spare sedge
but it says x670e
someone told me to get a b650 instead
brave brook
I know I said I was leaving, but I have to say this. The motherboard you get will not affect performance in any way
orchid gate
Hence B650E is fine
spare sedge
i will say this, i am not choosing a mb based off performance but its nice to know
orchid gate
Not much point in x670e
glacial schooner
yeah
brave brook
i will say this, i am not choosing a mb based off performance but its nice to kn...
What are you choosing it off of
spare sedge
i know some motherboards can actually boost perf by a small percent that doesnt matter
spare sedge
What are you choosing it off of
features so i am putting them in a chart and comparing them
brave brook
i know some motherboards can actually boost perf by a small percent that doesnt ...
I don’t think so
brave brook
features so i am putting them in a chart and comparing them
Did you see that vid that Whoopy sent a while ago?
spare sedge
it does. up to 10% in some cases. but a x0.1 perf is not worth.
spare sedge
Did you see that vid that Whoopy sent a while ago?
ive watched it like 5 times now.
orchid gate
What new marketing is this
brave brook
it does. up to 10% in some cases. but a x0.1 perf is not worth.
How tf
spare sedge
im comparing those exact motherboards and expanding from there
spare sedge
How tf
the guy in that video whoopy sent a while ago (buildzoid ((but goes by another name on yt))) has talked about mb perf.
its not really a surprise but its not something im hunting for
brave brook
There’s no way it can change performance that much
spare sedge
5- 10% apparently
never saw any benches
but he's also kind of crazy and does dual gpu
so
orchid gate
don’t trust unproven words - the analects of Confucius
brave brook
Yeah that’s so cap. They probably weren’t isolating variables
spare sedge
yeah but also idk
orchid gate
Great. Mobo confirmed?
brave brook
Well yes ram choice affects CPU performance to an extent
Ram speed choice
spare sedge
sometimes a good chunk
orchid gate
Ram *speed* choice
Mb
spare sedge
obviously cpu and gpu are the bulk of your real perf.
brave brook
DDR4 vs DDR5 for example
for this, it’s all ddr5
orchid gate
for this, it’s all ddr5
I realise that
spare sedge
im just saying your ram is a modifier like runes and masteries
and your motherboard is another even more miniscule modifier
brave brook
obviously cpu and gpu are the bulk of your real perf.
And mainly gpu, for 4K gaming
spare sedge
so gpu >> then cpu >> then ram
brave brook
and your motherboard is another even more miniscule modifier
It doesnt help performance.
orchid gate
It just lets things run .-.
spare sedge
It *doesnt* help performance.
see idk about this one.
ive heard about external clock gen
it was like the first thing naol told me about
but its not that important
but i also dont know too much about it
orchid gate
Naol knows how to overclock anything
you can overclock the CPU and GPU, but honestly an undervolt might be more helpful
brave brook
It probably only changes things at the top of an extreme overclock
orchid gate
@spare sedge still discussing mobo? Or choice finalised?
spare sedge
im still stuck on that question i asked
brave brook
But for you, the motherboard doesn’t matter. All you need in a motherboard, is the right amount of usb, and nvme m.2 slots
spare sedge
so thats the whole point of the headers then? its really only meant for the fron...
this one
orchid gate
Seems so
brave brook
Headers do not connect to rear io ports
spare sedge
i dont have a clear answer from anyone who seems to know
orchid gate
are there any real uses for them @brave brook
spare sedge
Headers do not connect to rear io ports
i already know this
orchid gate
Under the majority of circumstances
brave brook
front panel usb
orchid gate
Nothing else?
brave brook
And certain aios, and maybe some rgb, im not sure
spare sedge
its already done
brave brook
Oh really?
spare sedge
but i cant choose the one until i pick the mb and case
cause idk what size im going
i literally cant choose a size until i figure out these features and pick a board
and i cant do that if i cant read these websites
spare sedge
idk probably not a lot
brave brook
Then motherboard literally does not matter
spare sedge
idk what all needs a usb
tbh
like a mouse needs 1
a keyboard needs 1
what else
it amazes me that people want all these usb 2 ports
like why lmao
brave brook
idk what all needs a usb
Keyboard, mouse, headset (sometimes) microphone (sometimes)
brave brook
it amazes me that people want all these usb 2 ports
It’s for the above. They don’t need much bandwidth/speed
brave brook
But if you want you can find a mb with all usb 10Gb
brave brook
my phone charger maybe
A wall power brick would be faster
orchid gate
my phone charger maybe
This can change depending on monitor
Some monitors have ports for charging
spare sedge
thats good to know
brave brook
Some monitors have ports for charging
What?
spare sedge
thats awesome
orchid gate
on monitors
spare sedge
yep usb pd
orchid gate
some productivity ones can do 100W
brave brook
and usb4 is faster than a power brick
What? Nothing has usb 4 I think
orchid gate
Usually around 20W
spare sedge
theres mbs already afaik
spare sedge
front panel usb
so wait what were you saying here
brave brook
theres mbs already afaik
Which ones
brave brook
so wait what were you saying here
The main use for internal usb headers is the front panel usb ports
Some aios may have internal usb cables. Idk what else, and idrc
spare sedge
buildzoid mentioned them but i havent found them yet
spare sedge
The main use for internal usb headers is the front panel usb ports
and theres no such thing as like external headers right.
brave brook
Hmmm
brave brook
and theres no such thing as like external headers right.
No, those are just ports
spare sedge
right. ports physically look different tho too. headers are just pins
brave brook
Headers are just ports without the housing
spare sedge
is there an adapter to turn a header into a normal port? or no
brave brook
is there an adapter to turn a header into a normal port? or no
Yes, some rear usb cards use internal headers (most use the pcie bus tho)
I have one rn, because I thought I had two internal usb 3 headers, but I only had one. And I was too lazy to return it
spare sedge
so usb cards use the pcie bus, but there are also adapters for just the internal header too?
brave brook
so usb cards use the pcie bus, but there are also adapters for just the internal...
Yes, exactly
spare sedge
or do you plug in the header cables into the usb card while its plugged into the pcie bus?
orchid gate
Probably don’t have to??
brave brook
Um, lemme check rq
orchid gate
I have one rn, because I thought I had two internal usb 3 headers, but I only ha...
So did the usb card give you two extra USB ports
brave brook
All I see is usb header to usb port, pcie to usb port, or pcie to usb header
orchid gate
brave brook
So did the usb card give you two extra USB ports
Yes, it would have, if I had a header for it 😆
spare sedge
does the header come with cables? since its supposed to plug into the case?
brave brook
The case front ports have cables to plug into the headers if that’s what you’re asking
orchid gate
Power supply does
brave brook
Power supply does
For what?
orchid gate
The case front ports have cables to plug into the headers if that’s what you’re ...
Do they come packaged with the motherboard?
brave brook
Do they come packaged with the motherboard?
No, there’s no internal header cables
spare sedge
oh so the usb header cables come with the case not the motherboard
brave brook
That I’m aware of
orchid gate
???
brave brook
oh so the usb header cables come with the case not the motherboard
Yes, because as I said, every case is different
spare sedge
this is what a header is grel
orchid gate
this is what a header is grel
Ik that
brave brook
Already connected to the front panel ports
orchid gate
I showed you
Too
Any more motherboard questions @spare sedge
Or is the part choice finalised
do you have a PCPP list in the making?
brave brook
So for you dream, literally any motherboard would have all the features you need (Wi-Fi vs nonwifi is entirely up to you)
spare sedge
Yes, because as I said, every case is different
so what happens if the case has too much front panel and your motherboard doesnt have the usb header to accomodate
orchid gate
I believe something called portable wifi exists
orchid gate
so what happens if the case has too much front panel and your motherboard doesnt...
Doesn’t really exist
brave brook
so what happens if the case has too much front panel and your motherboard doesnt...
You just don’t plug one in
brave brook
Doesn’t really exist
Yeah it does. If your case has usb c, and your motherboard doesn’t have a usb c header
orchid gate
Yeah it does. If your case has usb c, and your motherboard doesn’t have a usb c ...
Oh sure
spare sedge
but then one or more sections of the front panel will be unusable?
orchid gate
Mhm
spare sedge
damn so thats definitely important to look into
orchid gate
We’ll figure it out when you finalise your choice of PC case
brave brook
but then one or more sections of the front panel will be unusable?
It depends on the case, and specific ports that aren’t available as headers on the motherboard
spare sedge
but most of the time your front panel is usually minimal so i should be okay with like 90% of cases
brave brook
damn so thats definitely important to look into
Most higher end cases won’t have more than 1-2 front panel cables
Whether they use 1 cable for 2 ports or whatever it is
spare sedge
Whether they use 1 cable for 2 ports or whatever it is
wdym by this
also i found this
so its definitely a thing if you have unused headers and you can do a good cable management job ig
brave brook
wdym by this
Usually if there’s 2 usb a ports, they’ll put them together into one physical cable, kinda like a mini hub
At this point find a good looking motherboard and buy that
spare sedge
Usually if there’s 2 usb a ports, they’ll put them together into one physical ca...
makes sense to me
brave brook
so its definitely a thing if you have unused headers and you can do a good cable...
IMO, it’s better to get a rear panel usb port and bracket for the internal headers
spare sedge
so you also mentioned that headers are primarily for front panels only BUT there are some aio coolers that use them? can you tell me more about that?
brave brook
Like this one for example
brave brook
so you also mentioned that headers are primarily for front panels only BUT there...
I’m pretty sure it’s for the rgb/screen
spare sedge
so you could get an adapter separately to use the headers as well for the rear io instead of the front panel
spare sedge
I’m pretty sure it’s for the rgb/screen
that makes a lot of sense. im satisfied with that
brave brook
so you could get an adapter separately to use the headers as well for the rear i...
Yes, and it would connect to the pcie bracket like your gpu
brave brook
that makes a lot of sense. im satisfied with that
At first I thought it was just rgb, but then I remembered that the screens use usb (I think it’s usb 2)
spare sedge
nice that the screens dont need much either
it also explains why the header selection is so barebones and kind of the same across all boards
brave brook
They cool well?
Probably like any other, I have no experience with aios
orchid gate
Some diehard temp monitoring enthusiasts have bought separate desktop hardware monitors wired to the motherboard
Dk their cost tho
brave brook
^not worth it imo
brave brook
Message count: 10359
Shhhh, it doesn’t matter
spare sedge
so then back to this.
i know the rear ports are not headers. im not confused there.
i know this board for sure has two usb2 headers and one 1x1 header and one usbc 2x2 header
asrock and pcpp are both right and both say this. (pcpp leaves out the rear io which is dumb but)
what i am confused about is what about the +one usb2 header and the +one 1x1 header that only asrock mentions
the white is pcpp and the dark background is asrock
brave brook
Where do you see the extra headers
spare sedge
im not lost on the 2x2. theres only 1 header for it and it doesnt get an increase
this one tries to explain it
and then
this one says it indirectly through math
9-6 = 3 front
brave brook
My guess is it’s probably able to have an extra usb connected to it. Does it show in any picture which port/header it is?
spare sedge
but when manufacturers say front. they are referring to the usb headers
brave brook
Any other questions?
spare sedge
My guess is it’s probably able to have an extra usb connected to it. Does it sho...
so this is similar to my guess too.
my guess is that on the asrock mb there is only two usb2 headers, one 1x1 header and one 2x2 header. BUT the two usb2 headers combined are able to support 3 usb2 ports on the front panel maybeee idk. and then the one 1x1 header is able to maybbbbeee support two 1x1 ports on the front panel
what do you think
west rock
@spare sedge have you bought any parts yet
brave brook
what do you think
I think it’s a bunch of marketing bs that says in certain circumstances, it can have extra usb
spare sedge
<@841694455747706911> have you bought any parts yet
i have not made a purchase yet no.
brave brook
12000+ messages
It’s not just about the pc, it’s about learning about the components
west rock
From 09creeperboy
brave brook
Also where did you get 12000
spare sedge
I think it’s a bunch of marketing bs that says in *certain circumstances*, it ca...
maybe its a bandwidth thing? like cause these mb manufacturers are not the case makers. so the number of headers you should be able to physically spot. so ill check that real quick.
brave brook
2000 from the deleted one
Lol the deleted one had 13k
west rock
Oh
spare sedge
10000 here
hey but actually tho, you can get in trouble if you comment here and its not on topic / productive.
west rock
You gonna tell the discord mods?
brave brook
But as I’ve said countless times, the message number doesn’t matter
spare sedge
But as I’ve said countless times, the message number doesn’t matter
exactly
west rock
It reflects the amount of time
brave brook
maybe its a bandwidth thing? like cause these mb manufacturers are not the case ...
That could be, it makes sense
brave brook
It reflects the amount of time
Amount of time for what
west rock
For you telling her what a pc is
spare sedge
literally
brave brook
But…..back to the previous topic
spare sedge
so then this is silly worded too. i looked at the board and i could only find 3 headers labeled as usb. this will be important when i actually plug stuff in irl.
but its silly worded cause it says the 2x2 is 20gb. but thats literally just what 2x2 is.
and then it says front panel for the usbc but not the usb2 or the 1x1 which is dumb cause they all go to the front panel.
and then do you know off hand what ReDriver is?
brave brook
and then do you know off hand what ReDriver is?
I’ll be honest I’ve never heard that before
spare sedge
okayy thank youu
brave brook
It maintains signal integrity (googled just now)
brave brook
Yeah, which is probably helpful for 20gb
spare sedge
thats true
brave brook
And that’s why it’s on that, and only that
spare sedge
yep
brave brook
Idk of any cases with usb 20gb ports, so that header was probably a waste
Unless you can adapt it, but still
Anyway, now i need to go to bed lol
See y’all later
spare sedge
night night
i think i found my final answer to this
so basically the headers are not 1-to-1 for the front panel ports or whereever else they plug into
meaning some headers support an additional port basically because they might have the pins to do so
this also means they get full bandwidth
SOOOO what this means is
that one of those usb2 headers is a 4 pin header and the other one must be a 9pin header. to support the 3 total.
every 4 pins = 1 port
okay perfect heres the pic too
so both of these must be usb2
and although they look wildly different
the one on the left supports 1 usb2 port on the front panel
while the one on the left is a big sized 9 pin. and the 8 pins allow for 1 usb2 port (supports 1 additional usb2 port) on the front panel
the 9th pin is ground
and prevention for idiots
in the gallery asrock says this is the 2x2. so nothing interesting here
but if the first two headers in the pic are the usb2 headers that support upto 3 usb2s for the front panel
im kind of lost on where the 1x1 would be
and the 1x1 would have to be 9 pins because it also has the upward support thing going on
spare sedge
heres a better picture of the usb2s. i decided these one must have been the usb2 headers because they are right next to each other but they also both have USB marked underneath them.
NOT ONLY THIS but pcpp and asrock have both stated that this board has TWO usb2 headers meaning pcpp wouldnt count it as two usb2 headers IFF it was only the one header supporting one additional usb2 because pcpp doesnt mark rear io AND it doesnt mark "upward support" it only marks the physical headers.
and it can't be the 1x1 because the 1x1 has upward support meaning that it must be 9 pins
BUT pcpp says we have only one 1x1 header which also means it cant be the one on the right because that would leave us with only 1 usb2 header with zero upward support
so
i think i found the 1x1 too
i think it is this one
because its the only other 9 pin header on the board and it says PANEL1 so maybe thats for front panel which is almost synonymous with usb headers.
and the 1x1 must be a 9 pin header because it has support for one additional 1x1
this means the supported number of headers IS NOT front panel only.
what i mean is that the number doesnt increase onto the front panel. its inherently on the board itself. like yes the header group is only one, but its basically two headers in one.
so yeah pcpp is right in saying that its 4 header groups and asrock says this too but its really 6 fucking headers lmao.
fuck
why cant mb manufacturers just say it like it is
alright so this board has 6 headers
now i can accurately fucking compare these boards
spare sedge
heres the rear io for the same board
asrock says 6 usb2
so im guessing the 6 on the left
idk why the one usb2 has a white box. thats dumb af
the riptide also has two 1x1 ports and says they are lightning gaming. which is also dumb af because its 5 mbps but whatever.
"lightning fast"
and then the 10mbps seems to be marked. this one looks nice and pretty. its the 2x1
and then the other 2x1 is usbc so its right underneath the usba 2x1
meaning the rear io has 9 type a lmao
and 1 type c
what i find super fucking dumb is how motherboard manufacturers dont fucking bother to tell you what type usb2 it is. like WHY make me go and find out
so now its perfect
this is how i have it marked inside my database
gold is the upward support
dark gray is the headers only
light gray is rear io
lmao
this literally changes everything
spare sedge
here is the usb line up for the ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard
so this one has more bonus headers
and also more physical headers
all together, this has 9 usb headers which is insane
and this saves time because now i dont have to check the mb or the rear io to make sure
the rear io is trash tho. it has -2 usb2s and im pretty sure the worst type c available.
but its a much cheaper board
this is $125
vs the riptide which is $250
heres the rear io
so yep its all there
i like how the usbc is marked with a little 5
thats adorable.
spare sedge
something i do notice tho
is this
why does it say 1 x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C if it is a header???
headers dont have a connector
they are just headers
heres the 2 usb2 headers with +2 bonus usb2 headers
this must be the 2x1 header for the "type c"
so i think im actually wrong
only usb2 is 9 pin. meaning that 4 pin usbs are 1 usb2 header and 9 pin usb2 is 2 usb2s
but the 1x1s are 19 pin
so i guess the one that says panel isnt a 1x1
its the front panel header which i guess is a completely different header for like the power button and stuff
fallow fiber
Not really
spare sedge
and the 9th pin on the usb2s isnt a ground or an extra ground. its just a NC pin for not connected. its a nothing pin for preventive care
fallow fiber
Ok hear me out now
X670 is just a b650 but have like 8 more pcie lanes
More io for that matter
spare sedge
how many lanes does the b650 have
fallow fiber
I'm not sure
spare sedge
so ig the reason the 2x2 headers look weird is cause its a 2x2 header. which was my next question
cause they almost look like they have steel housing
but the 2x2 headers dont have pins actually apparently
and they are also called type E headers
fallow fiber
It's just a usb 3.2 gen 2 header what the fuck is so hard to understand
These are used for only usb c unless you get an adapter to normal 3.2 gen 2 sockets
Like every b650 and x670 board has it
Both and even 2 to 4 usb 2 headers
spare sedge
It's just a usb 3.2 gen 2 header what the fuck is so hard to understand
um excuse me? i was talking about the pins on a 2x2. hello?
not talking about a 2x1 lmao
fallow fiber
Huh?
spare sedge
im trying to figure out 2 things
if you dont know the answer then you can just chill
i can run it by you
fallow fiber
Every board that's x670 has a 2x2 header yes and most b650s do too
I know that since I also researched it for my friend when he was building his pc
He needed a fast usb c connection for oculink that's why I looked into it
fallow fiber
headers dont have a connector
Bruh it's a literal usb standard
Like that connector has its own name in the usb family
spare sedge
question 1 - why does asrock list the 2x2 header as type c. headers can't be type c. they can only be a header. headers are special onboard connectors that usually have pins (not the case with 2x2 ironically) Also 2x2 can only support type c connectors but that has nothing to do with the header itself just the result of the spec not having those connectors.
heres a picture for reference
rear makes sense to list the connector port type because thats literally the connector the port uses lol
the ones listed as "front" is how manufacturers label their headers.
so why are the ones listed as front listed with a connector if they are headers
and before you say
"its cause 2x2 can only be type c"
its not that either because
fallow fiber
Yes but the 2x2 connector is an actual usb socket like it has its own name and all also why are you bitching about a company calling a "header" an connector? It's a usb 3.2 2x2 connector get over it Holy fuck
spare sedge
yeah but the special socket is still a type e. not a type c
fallow fiber
Yes but the type e connector is a branch off of the usb c
spare sedge
the part about bitching about it being a header vs connector is not accurate.
im asking why is the connector type listed with the header
because the header doesnt have a connector. its a header.
fallow fiber
It's used to send usb c signals through a more robust connector since a normal USB c connector would be fragile as fuck
IT HAS A CONNECTOR because it IS a connector
spare sedge
Yes but the 2x2 connector is an actual usb socket like it has its own name and a...
and also saying that its a 3.2 2x2 connector isnt accurate either because that is the specification (spec) NOT the connector. unless you assume that the connector is type c because all 2x2s are type c
fallow fiber
Header and connector are a nearly identical thing you can call a fan header a fan connector
spare sedge
also all 1x2s are type c as well because they have dual transmit lanes which the type c is able to take advantage of
since the whole point of usbc is that it is dual lane.
fallow fiber
I'm fucking leaving you're just talking to yourself at this point
spare sedge
IT HAS A CONNECTOR because it IS a connector
the connector listed is wrong. its not type c. it just turns into type c on the front panel. its actually a type e and you can buy type e adapters.
it must be because the pins are so tightly packed that a special type e header must be used
but type e must refer to the cord mostly since the 2x2 header is the header. but ig the 2x2 header = type e header
i think that the usb connector the header turns into must be the one that is listed for convenience of knowing what usb ports you will end up having
like okay fine, the 2x1s differentiate but those are both rear io ports so they should
and 1x1, 1x2, 2x1, an 2x2 can all be type c.
but only 1x2 and 2x2 can be type c only because they are 2 lanes
and type a doesnt do 2 lanes. it only does 1
the dual lane and naming complication was really because of usbc and its inclusion into usb3
the hope with usb4 is that it will only be usbc so no need for the pcie naming convention gen + lane naming
what i dont get is why the 1x1 isnt marked as type a
or why the usb2 isnt marked as type a
it even includes rear so that convenience should be there
and i have googled it btw lmao
im p sure that this listing is just for the eventual port on the front panel NOT the header
so the port on the front panel is type c or type a in the case of the 1x1s an usb2s
BUT that shouldnt mean that the headers are locked to a connector. THAT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE.
they are locked to the spec obviously which is what popped up on google
but the spec oddly enough determines the header pin shape too.
meaning that even though normally the spec and connector are completely separate. in this case the spec determines the header "connector" in a way. ig.
but its not really a connector than it is a header with just a certain amount of pins
i hear the 2x1 is a type e header as well tho
and the usb2 is the 4 - 9 pin. the 1x1 and probably the 1x2 are both 19 pin
but now im trying to figure out how the 19 pin connector does the bonus headers. with usb2. the bonus headers come from the additional 4 pins on the 9 pin connector.
vast geyser
trying to decipher usb naming scheme is crazy
lavish nexus
4000d?👀
lavish nexus
trying to decipher usb naming scheme is crazy
All I know is anything above 3.1 is fast asf.
3.0 is fast asf too tho
brave brook
trying to decipher usb naming scheme is crazy
All I do to remember is anything gen 1 is 5Gb, anything gen 2 is 10Gb, and anything 2x2 is 20Gb
lavish nexus
Don’t have a 10gig nic? No worries use usb to Ethernet 10 gig
Tbh idk if it’d work exactly the way I said but I’ve always thought about it and wanted to try it but I don’t have 10 gig internet so
Plus 10 gig usb to Ethernet adapters are way cheaper then 10 gig PCIe nics
brave brook
Don’t have a 10gig nic? No worries use usb to Ethernet 10 gig
that might work
lavish nexus
I might look into it and see if anyone else did it
brave brook
open iris
Realistically you can't really get to 10gb unless it's usb4/thunderbolt even though technically usb 3.2 can be 10gbps
strange storm
I loved nvidias version for this. Forget what it's called now, but worked great for most games. It really shined on turn based games, like civilization etc. But I could play cyberpunk no problems. I just have 500mbps from spectrum and had like, hardly any delay at all. I was able to play on my wife's old pos laptop while I was building my new one. It's a great service to utilize for a month or so. Or if traveling.
lavish nexus
Realistically you can't really get to 10gb unless it's usb4/thunderbolt even tho...
With 2x2 you should be able to
open iris
Maybe i still don't think you'd reach 10
Like on usb 3.1 10gbps adaptor and you'll realistically only get like 4gbps max
brave brook
Why do people keep talking about the messages. That’s not the point. The point is learning about the components
haughty quail
shi still going?
brave brook
What do you think
orchid gate
This must be the hottest thread on LTT discord
Probably most frequently answered to mhm
viscid plover
Probably most frequently answered to mhm
ye thats good it means ppl are learning, but without Dream any of this wouldnt be possible, she made over 80h of pc researches in the past 2 weeks
but this is too much text and heavy to read
doesnt mean is bad, but for those who like such thing sure why not
spare sedge
3.0 is fast asf too tho
oh wow i didnt know 1x1 and 1x2 were considered fast. 5 and 10 mbps. i feel like 5mbps isnt fast tho. my s22 ultra takes forever to charge because i dont have the right charger
spare sedge
Realistically you can't really get to 10gb unless it's usb4/thunderbolt even tho...
how can this be
since 1x2 and 2x1 are 10mbps.
2x2 is 20 and usb4 is 40 i think
open iris
how can this be
2x2 probably can clutch up 10gbps anyway but because of usb overhead
usb needs to use some of its data for other things
like error correction
and other things i wouldnt know off the top of my head
but it means you can never actually reach it's max speed transfer speed wise
spare sedge
oh yeah gbps
spare sedge
but it means you can never actually reach it's max speed transfer speed wise
alr i will consider that with a grain of salt
open iris
it is like never relevant
brave brook
yeah
orchid gate
but this is too much text and heavy to read
treat this like a webinar or seminar, you come to take notes :p
Plus you have that issue with vernacular language and random comments, only advantage of chat is when there is a good personalised response/useful anecdotes
spare sedge
i think my biggest problem with motherboard is that its really a grand finale part that brings the entire ensemble together. meaning to fully pick the best for you motherboard would require knowing literally all the parts
cpu allows me to narrow am5
gpu allows me to know i need pcie 4x16
ram allows me to know i need a mb that supports 5600 6000 or 6400
and allows me to know i need 2 or 4 slots
vast geyser
ram allows me to know i need a mb that supports 5600 6000 or 6400
basically every motherboard
vast geyser
i think my biggest problem with motherboard is that its really a grand finale pa...
...or you just pick something, see if it has the ports you need.. and dont complicate it
spare sedge
idk what ports i need tho
spare sedge
im only now starting to get an idea
open iris
man i kinda want one
spare sedge
whats evangelion mb
vast geyser
idk what ports i need tho
usually just usb
spare sedge
sounds cool
vast geyser
whats evangelion mb
anime
spare sedge
ik the anime
open iris
spare sedge
omgggg yesss
open iris
if i had more money id buy this shit up
spare sedge
what gpu is in that card
vast geyser
3090 maybe
pure mica
This the 3090 not the 4090 like he want
open iris
yeah 3090
i know im just showing what it looked like
oh they also had a red one but i prefer the purple ngl
spare sedge
im interested in themed parts but never saw shit for pretty looking cpu gpu or ram
pure mica
Asus did make a 4090
open iris
gpus and motherboards are usually the only things that get themed parts
pure mica
Na
vast geyser
psu also had eva
pure mica
They got aio too
open iris
racing around at the speed of sound
spare sedge
what theme
pure mica
vast geyser
*racing around at the speed of sound*
BEST
spare sedge
anything hello kitty
vast geyser
its a pg lightning with sonic theme
open iris
the sonic mb is like actually not even that expensive as well
pure mica
anything hello kitty
Nope
spare sedge
or do i gotta bust out the stickers
damn
is there a place i can view all the themes released
vast geyser
the sonic mb is like actually not even that expensive as well
its solid af
spare sedge
ik gaming consoles have all the colors in a database thats easy to view
open iris
this happened but this was years ago
vast geyser
spare sedge
this happened but this was **years** ago
OMG ITS PERFECT
pure mica
this happened but this was **years** ago
Oh hell na
open iris
unless you want a gtx 980 lmao
spare sedge
im soooo sadd now
spare sedge
thats true
open iris
you can buy a custom gpu backplate
open iris
ok i tried looking also nobody has made a lsit of past collabs that have happened seems like
spare sedge
the headers + bonus headers = your front panel ports
so a better comparison could be rear to rear and front to front
vast geyser
I don’t think past matter if we want the best performance part
wat
pure mica
wat
He want the best performance so who care about old collab if it not gonna delivers the best performance
vast geyser
He want the best performance so who care about old collab if it not gonna delive...
kinda shitty point
open iris
they are weebs
vast geyser
if she wants it to look nice, why not
+its gonna perform the best anyway
pure mica
kinda shitty point
Na depend for who
spare sedge
i guess it has happened
omg yesss
teal pond
dream most high-end mobos come with a lot of usb ports and connectivity options
brave brook
literally been said so many times
lavish nexus
im interested in themed parts but never saw shit for pretty looking cpu gpu or r...
should look at yeston granted its amd cards but they're decent looking or can be anyway
lavish nexus
*racing around at the speed of sound*
If it wasn't for hgaving to go with intel I wanted this board so bad when i first saw it
vale prairie
should look at yeston granted its amd cards but they're decent looking or can be...
Aren’t those all anime themed?
lavish nexus
I liked the full gundam build that JayzTwo Cents did
lavish nexus
Aren’t those all anime themed?
Yea
haughty quail
damn no way you guys passed 10k comment things
teal pond
wow so cool back to learning
haughty quail
wow so cool back to learning
No
spring wraith
its not just about building the pc
seems like hey wanna understand every aspect possible
lavish nexus
Reddit, and YouTube is gonna be able to tell you more then anyone in here lol
spring wraith
Reddit, and YouTube is gonna be able to tell you more then anyone in here lol
thats true for most of the ppl in here yeah
haughty quail
Bro I spent like 20 mins getting help, used yt during build
lavish nexus
If you can’t watch Gamers Nexus and LTT and learn about PCs you’re beyond help tbh
haughty quail
Helped a lot to see a build guide
spring wraith
If you can’t watch Gamers Nexus and LTT and learn about PCs you’re beyond help t...
they dont provide enough in depth info
esp not ltt
they straight up spread misinformation about some shit
not on purpose obv but
lavish nexus
Well yea true but. In alot of the older videos they were pretty on point and were able to explain issues in a easy to learn way
spring wraith
but at the cost of accuracy
spare sedge
It’s not that deep
i dont actually understand how anyone learned all of this faster than me tbh
spare sedge
Reddit, and YouTube is gonna be able to tell you more then anyone in here lol
this isnt true tho. the bulk of what i learned was from here and is already completed
its not like everyone is keep track of my progress
so usb2 is at the bottom
1x1s and probably 1x2 are on the side
right side
brave brook
this isnt true tho. the bulk of what i learned was from here and is already comp...
because all the questions you asked here were either known already, or were googled by the answerer (i did that several times). the point is, you'll find the information faster, and more efficently than asking here
spare sedge
because all the questions you asked here were either known already, or were goog...
no this isnt the case
its because you guy dont really understand / keep track of my progress or only started recently
brave brook
its because you guy dont really understand / keep track of my progress or only s...
i did not start "recently"
spare sedge
the bulk of the questions were not googled for me by you guys. and were just known because they were obvious answers
brave brook
aka googleable answers
spare sedge
because all the questions you asked here were either known already, or were goog...
no you literally just proved my point
brave brook
how so
orchid gate
She’s delving into idiosyncrasies
brave brook
if we know the answers easily, google will even more
orchid gate
so stuff that’s unique to certain boards, trade secrets etc
since dream sees an advantage in knowing beforehand of them
she’s struck by the Streisand effect, whereby emphasising nothing is where plenty resides (ie always saying something isn’t necessary to know) means she’ll look for that plenty
orchid gate
if we know the answers easily, google will even more
Yes but Google has many answers to many queries not requested for as well
Which leads to needing to clarify a point and communication chaos
brave brook
you do need some experience with forming good searches, and finding relevent search results, but its not that hard to learn, and dream has shown through screenshots that she is capable of finding answers
orchid gate
like knowing if something indicates another thing or if it’s entirely unrelated
like SDR and DDR don’t even apply to the same field/component, but HDR and SDR do (in a modern day context where no one daily drives 1980s PCs for all their purposes)
brave brook
I don't want to be mean, but a lot of questions would be more thoroughly (and possibly more quickly) answered by google
spare sedge
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the whole point of the server is to help people build a pc.
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the whole point of this forum is to help people pick parts
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the whole point of my thread is to get help to pick out the parts for me and my build
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i am already doing my own research. i am already googling obviously. i am already using youtube obviously. ive already watched like 30+ ltt videos and many more.
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i work all damn day, the time span is not the same as it is for me as it is for you. what seems like a 30,000 messages and 4 weeks of work is really more like a handful of good explainations on some things i didnt know, and about 2 days each week while im at work of doing my own research at home on my days off. most of the messages are literally from other people talking amongst themselves lmao.
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if you dont know the answer or dont want to help or want me to google it instead. then honestly dont talk. dont help. i would rather be left on read than for someone to tell me to google it lmao. obviously if i am messaging here, i am not googling it. periodt. what a millenial ass thing to say. like as if you were there for when facebook started. the whole "google it" thing just comes from older more experienced people who literally dont want to help which is this horrible crab mentality that pc builders have that i HATE.
orchid gate
And there is that stigma against generated answers, summaries etc
orchid gate
1. the whole point of the server is to help people build a pc.
2. the whole poi...
So TL;DR everything here is the same stuff googled, but only what applies to the PC
spare sedge
you do need some experience with forming good searches, and finding relevent sea...
i dont need mf help with how to research. i need help with what i ask with.
orchid gate
And people are better at narrowing that down because not many possess a talent for mimicking chatGPT hence tend to summarise more often
spare sedge
i came here because i want reddit responses without having to go to fucking LTX or having to wait 3 days for a fucking reddit / quora response OBVIOUSLY
modest valve
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8...
look at this for mobos. it has details on pretty much all the features on a mobo - its also a sheet, so u can compare mobos. i dont think ull need anything more for mobos after this
spare sedge
i can literally only google so damn much.
whats the point in you googling for me. if you dont know, then why are you trying to help.
when i first started, the questions were simple i didnt know some things
but as i am catching up to the rest of the pc builders in here, it makes less sense to ask questions here as is the nature with the subject
i am already spending the bulk of my time literally just reading articles because people here are too novice to know to put it bluntly
brave brook
The thing is, I don’t understand why you’re still “stuck on motherboards” because it’s been said many times the motherboard doesn’t matter, so just pick one and don’t worry about it.
pure mica
i am already spending the bulk of my time literally just reading articles becaus...
If you keep complaining about us why not do it on your own
spare sedge
The thing is, I don’t understand why you’re still “stuck on motherboards” becaus...
they literally do matter for 1.
orchid gate
Well if they are worried about motherboards why not adapt to their requests
We’re information brokers at this point, not project coordinators
spare sedge
motherboards are literally the hardest part to pick
spare sedge
objectively
modest valve
it has everything
just look at it
u wont need to worry about mobos after looking at that list
just pick the mobo with the features u want from that list. simple.
brave brook
motherboards are literally the hardest part to pick
I think the problem is you don’t know what features you want/need so you don’t know what to look for on a motherboard
spare sedge
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8...
yeah this is a good one
spare sedge
I think the problem is you don’t know what features you want/need so you don’t k...
you also have this gross generalization of time
brave brook
What?
spare sedge
its as if the seconds ticking away of me not choosing a motherboard mean anything at all
cause they fucking dont
it doesnt matter how long i take. it doesnt matter if i am stuck on mbs
if you really wanna know what im doing right now
brave brook
It’s because I’m tired of answering questions about every little detail of a motherboard even if they don’t matter at all
pure mica
We all tired i think
spare sedge
i am trying to read through this damn article to figure out how the 19pin connector on the 20 pin array can do bonus headers. i cant ask that here, because none of you know wtf im talking about really.
spare sedge
is there really lol
orchid gate
It’s because I’m tired of answering questions about every little detail of a mot...
At least mention those parts instead of hard on censorship
so they can be googled 🤷♀️
glacial schooner
stop swearing @spare sedge
brave brook
no swearing
seriously? its explicitly allowed in the rules
orchid gate
there are kids on this server
Not in this thread
spare sedge
i wont swear idc.
orchid gate
And if vaping in schools is tolerated then swearing is nothing
orchid gate
who tf would let kids kill their lungs
NZ politicians?
pure mica
And if vaping in schools is tolerated then swearing is nothing
Both are not allowed here lol
Thx god
orchid gate
because they can’t control that, think it’s like torrenting now
orchid gate
Both are not allowed here lol
Didn’t say here
I meant in general, in certain regions globally
pure mica
I meant in general, in certain regions globally
Not in canada lol
orchid gate
good for you
glacial schooner
not in the uk
orchid gate
Ok screw the politics and social issues back on track please
brave brook
but you people say google this and google that. its like okayyyy but like.
if its not hard for one of us to google it and give you satisfactory answers, i fail to understand how you couldnt find the same information
pure mica
but you people say google this and google that. its like okayyyy but like.
Cause we are tired of your questions that not necessarily useful
spare sedge
its like should i just leave the thread to google and then comeback in 7 days after im done googling because no one in here wanted to have good conversation and talk about computers. fuck
brave brook
its like should i just leave the thread to google and then comeback in 7 days af...
im willing to help, just try narrowing down your questions
spare sedge
every single question i asked was for the express purpose of being useful to me
ill be back when im done figuring out the usb stuff
pure mica
Usb is simple my god
spare sedge
okayyy
brave brook
ill be back when im done figuring out the usb stuff
you mean the usb on the motherboards?
spare sedge
so then do you know the answer
glacial schooner
why is it taking so long for usb tho
pure mica
Idfk
orchid gate
answer patiently and if you’re on PC, ctrl delete
pure mica
Make days
glacial schooner
why do u need so much usb
spare sedge
i dont
brave brook
@spare sedge do you mean the usb on the motherboards?
spare sedge
yeah
brave brook
what're you still confused about
orchid gate
what do u need to know
Should be the first question you ask when returning online guys
pure mica
He should have ask
brave brook
i thought the thread got closed
The first thread did, this is a new one
brave brook
No it’s not
The first one was titled “I am building…..” and the second is titled “I am still building….”
glacial schooner
oh
pure mica
Idfk
spare sedge
i know that usb2 gets bonus headers by going 9pin on a 10pin array. the 10th spot is empty. the 9th pin is a blank pin for "plugging it in wrong" prevention. the other 8 pins are for the actual usb2 header. the entire thing is called a header, but the number of pins determines the number of headers / the eventual ports that are on the front panel. so a mb could have two usb2 headers, but those two headers come with a different number of pins. so the first one is 4 pin and the second is 9 pin meaning thats easy. its 3 headers.
i originally asked several people this question, all of which no one knew the answer legitimately. so what i said above, should have been news to all of you lmao. because i googled it and now i know it.
and honestly, i dont even think you guys really understand what i mean by bonus headers lmao. and you guys dont even understand 1x1 naming. so of course im trying to just figure this out on my own and comeback after.
everything i just said is good and easy. makes sense to me.
what i am still confused about, is the 1x1 headers. you cant expect me to ask here when i know you wont know. im trying to figure out HOWWW 1x1 headers accomplish bonus headers since all of them seem to be 19pin connectors on a 20pin array. meaning they are literally just double the header of usb2 which means they are kind of not efficient. but thats okay. i just wanna see if the 19pin ones always have a bonus header and if there is a 9pin connector for 1x1. because there are usb headers on mbs that have bonus headers for 1x1 and i just want to know how.
pure mica
So don’t care about it get a high end motherboard and call it a day😂
brave brook
I said that….so many times
spare sedge
a bonus header is when pcpp or the manufacturer say there is a set number of physical headers as in the box of pins on the mb. but then that box of pins turns into more headers which can change the mb comparison drastically.
pure mica
I said that….so many times
Ikr
spare sedge
I said that….so many times
are you saying this about getting a high end mb and calling it a day
pure mica
Ye he do
spare sedge
because i was told over and over again by people in here not to do that lmao
i just wanted a x670e lmao
what was so fucking hard about that
pure mica
I did that lol i got a z790 godlike getting a high end motherboard and call it a day
brave brook
I’m not used to calling usb by the “1x1”, “2x1”, etc. the best way of naming them is with gbps
spare sedge
I’m not used to calling usb by the “1x1”, “2x1”, etc. the best way of naming the...
ughhh
its not
and that literally shows that you dont know as much about usb
brave brook
Yes it is
spare sedge
because 1x2 and 2x1 are both 10gbps
glacial schooner
what are u using the usb for
brave brook
Ok?
orchid gate
And x1 next to the standard 2 or 3 means 10Gbps either way
brave brook
So usb c 10Gb, and usb a 10Gb. And you said yourself that 1x2 isn’t used
spare sedge
no x1 or x2 means the number of lanes
orchid gate
Yes but it also shows on the chart they equal the same speed
For either number of lanes
spare sedge
thats not how it works.
orchid gate
Any table constructed would not measure different things within the same column
orchid gate
thats not how it works.
Then what do you propose the speed of 1x2 would be? 5Gbps and you can choose number of lanes used? Which would double speed if you chose both? 😝
brave brook
thats not how it works.
Not how what works
orchid gate
No. Nada.
spare sedge
the 1x2 is dual lane because type c is dual lane. it is a gen 1 so it is a 5gbps speed. the dual lane makes it 10gbps
the 2x1 is 1 lane but it is on gen 2 meaning it is faster at already 10gbps speed. this allows for type a.
pure mica
Ok and?
brave brook
So the speed is identical, 10gbps
pure mica
Then get to a other topic
orchid gate
the 1x2 is dual lane because type c is dual lane. it is a gen 1 so it is a 5gbps...
Excuse me?
But they’re one port
spare sedge
no
orchid gate
Regardless of lane count
spare sedge
they are 2 different ports grel omg
brave brook
they are 2 different ports grel omg
And you said no one uses 1x2 so it’s basically irrelevant
spare sedge
yeah i remember the stupid thing about max speed that you mentioned earlier
brave brook
?
orchid gate
Great.
spare sedge
2x2. is just a 2x1 with dual lanes for the type c. because type c is THE dual lane connector
2x2 and 2x1 are both gen 2.
orchid gate
so you’re making inferences now
I kind of agree, but this isn’t typically fussed over
spare sedge
and inference is an educated guess?
LMAOO
NO MOTHER FUCKER
im teaching you right now
orchid gate
Tell me what the first 2 means
spare sedge
im not guessing shit
pure mica
If you know that much about usb why keep asking question
spare sedge
which number 2 lmao
orchid gate
Now you’re saying 2x2 has 4 lanes of x1
spare sedge
NOOO lmaoo
orchid gate
Since 1x2 is 10Gbps and 2x1 is the same
spare sedge
omgg
brave brook
Guys
orchid gate
Yea ik
brave brook
Just stop
orchid gate
Wild guess
spare sedge
the naming is 1-to-1 for pcie. its gen + lanes. simple.
pure mica
Ok it time for
spare sedge
first number is the gen
orchid gate
2x2 and 2x1 are both gen 2.
So you mean the Gen applies to the lanes
pure mica
It ridiculous at this point
spare sedge
so if you see usb3.2 gen 2. thats obviously the 2x1, because it's not the 2x2 lmao
orchid gate
Gen 1 lane provides 5Gb bandwidth each
Gen 2 lane does 10Gb each
and it makes sense, since 1x1 is 5Gbps and 1x2 is 10Gbps
spare sedge
3.1 and 3.0 dont exist anymore. and 3.1 gen 2 is just 3.2 gen 2 now
3.0 is always 1x1
orchid gate
then 2x1 does 10, and 2x2 does 20
spare sedge
because its the worst one
spare sedge
then 2x1 does 10, and 2x2 does 20
yess
brave brook
Great so can we move on
spare sedge
im not stuck on this
brave brook
What motherboard do you want, dream
pure mica
Great so can we move on
Ye i hope it being ridiculous
brave brook
i cant give you guys what you want until i figure this out
what're you figuring out
spare sedge
itd be nice, if i can just come back to update with progress
orchid gate
Ye i hope it being ridiculous
Real convos sound like this around certain others
spare sedge
i know that usb2 gets bonus headers by going 9pin on a 10pin array. the 10th spo...
this
pure mica
Real convos sound like this around certain others
I don’t think eny convo i know who try to figure out usb for more the 3 days
brave brook
this
heres something, i only skimmed it, so idk if it helps
https://www.cgdirector.com/usb-headers-guide/
anyway, i gtg, gn
pure mica
Gn
spare sedge
thats the first one i read. i learned that 2x2 headers are type e from it
brave brook
I don’t think eny convo i know who try to figure out usb for more the 3 days
this is actually worth discussing, because it is confusing
orchid gate
There are header types?
spare sedge
yes
orchid gate
I’ll brb as well
spare sedge
3 main ones
orchid gate
Don’t take this as inflammatory but what purpose would such extensive research benefit
Although I can see it being used as a means for troubleshooting
and less communication chaos (wrong terms/meaning) when asking for help
I’ll take that as a yes
.
Still there?
pure mica
SHe don’t know what to say
spare sedge
it just allows me to properly compare the number of usbs
i was literally washing dishes
orchid gate
i know that usb2 gets bonus headers by going 9pin on a 10pin array. the 10th spo...
So you’re saying for every grid of pins multiple headers could coexist for the same type of port
spare sedge
yes and its one of those things that most people dont know about
orchid gate
As in several cables meaning to connect a usb2 header could in fact be smooching each other
no personal space :p
spare sedge
so when pcpp says it has 4 headers. its wrong. it has 6 headers
orchid gate
Dang
spare sedge
and that's probably the case with 99% of the boards