♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[spare sedge]

the 4 numbers

[spring wraith]

those arent subtimings

those are primaries

[spare sedge]

how do you see the subtimings

ive never heard of the subs

[spring wraith]

cuz you watched ltt

they have no idea what theyre talking about with ram

[spring wraith]

you have to get the kit usually

[spare sedge]

i know first word

[spring wraith]

manufacturers wont post them

and mobo can dictate them too

[spare sedge]

but its not even on pcpp

[spring wraith]

first word latency also doesnt rlly matter

its funky

[spare sedge]

are the benchmarks for the timings online that i can view considering that you cant view them unless you own the ram

[spring wraith]

not usually

youll have to look at like buildzoid or someone else showing the xmp timings

nd even then buildzoid doesnt usually show xmp cuz its shit compared to tuning ram

but yeah likej that other guy said

on ryzen, just get a solid 6000 cl30 kit

ideally from g.skill or teamgroup

[brave brook]

We already had this conversation

[spare sedge]

we absolutely did not

i know which conversations i did multiple times. most of the ones you say are not true at all

[brave brook]

Don’t say what I did and did not talk about. I know for a fact that you asked about subtimings before

[spare sedge]

i disagree but yeah

[orchid gate]

#1133873186409287740 message @brave brook did you mean this

[strange storm]

Damn, have we hit 40k comments yet?

[coral holly]

Agreed

Like for about 2k comments worth lol

At some point u even posted a casus of which ram stick would be better: one with real subtimings u found somewhere and one with fake subtimings u made up lol

[coral holly]

Also, you very often make very black vs white statements, while the actual statement should be a grey "yes, but...".
For example: u just stated "LTT is better than GN"... but better in what?
LTT is better at making money, yes.
GN is better at making in depth reviews, yes.
LTT is better at reaching a broader audience, yes.
GN takes more time to double check unbiased facts, yes.
...
One isnt just better than the other, it depends on what you are looking for and what the situation is. In the case of using yourubers as research: its better to watch multiple and then go on an even deeper google dive if u still have questions unanswered or if you want to fact check. Multiple resources = better.
Same goes for computer components, definitely when u ask a whole lot of in depth questions like you do: more often its not just a blacks vs white "yes/no", but a grey "yes, but...".
In situations where the answer is "yes, but" u very often try to find the "definite yes" answer, which doesnt excist. While in situations where multiple people tell you its a simple "yes/no" you dont believe us and you keep looking to find a "but" 😂
You and your rebellious behaviour... I still believe we are training someone's computer build AI here 😂

[open iris]

There's no way you came to the conclusion ltt has the best testing

[strange storm]

[brave brook]

Yeah, right around there

[solar cliff]

they do that on purpose. idk how people dont understand that yet

[vale prairie]

Dreams threads have reached a combined total of 20,000 messages

🥳🎉

[spare sedge]

lmao who are you talking to

like when i said ltt is better its cause i dont like gn

i dont have to state why lmao idc

i dont need to be gray. and personally you should be more concrete

[spare sedge]

it was an opinion from the beginning

[spare sedge]

and also this only further proves my point.

he said subtimings out of no where. i never talked about them nor did i ask about them.

when he said this i thought he just meant regular timings because this was way before i knew anything about ram

ik about the 2nd 3rd and 4th numbers

still nothing about subtimings

[vast geyser]

yeah dont complicate yourself with them

[orchid gate]

If you forget anything in this thread I’ll just post the link 😉

[spare sedge]

i honestly cant tell if you are defending me or not. but if you are. thanks.

so what i am working on right now is just comparing mbs

[vale prairie]

What form factor have you decided on btw?

[spare sedge]

whether i go atx itx or matx will depend on a per board basis.

[vale prairie]

Okay, if you go itx an X670e would be a waste of money

[spare sedge]

so if the itx board i compare ends up having a better deal of features for what it. i actually might go itx

[spare sedge]

how come. that almost seems like the way to go to make the features equal out

[vale prairie]

Most of the benefits of x670e are negated since they only have 1 pcie slot

[spare sedge]

what are the benefits. i thought it was just more features in general

[brave brook]

More pcie lanes, and general expansion, that wouldn’t fit on an itx board

[brave brook]

They are the subtimings

[spare sedge]

what are the 2nd 3rd and 4th numbers?

[vast geyser]

omfg

lets not

talk about ram

❤️

[spare sedge]

i think later tonight i will try to compare more boards. but i might need help just getting the facts straight on each board

im stuck because pcpp says one thing

then manufacturers website says another thing

and then they say something else on their spec sheet too

[vast geyser]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md realistically this is all the info you need

the general info part

[spare sedge]

i think this is what naol meant by secondary timings.

this means subtimings = secondary and tertiary.

tertiary just mean 3.

which means the 2nd 3rd and 4th numbers of regular timings are not secondary. those are timings and those are primaries.

[vale prairie]

Okay great let’s move on and ignore subtimings for the foreseeable future

[spring wraith]

the P section is the primaries, S section is the secondaries, T section is the tertiaries, subtimings are the secondaries and tertiaries

[spare sedge]

awesome so like i said.

so the only way to know is by looking at these then in more detail.

ill look at them later

[vast geyser]

its useless to look in more detail honestly

the lower the better

thats it

[brave brook]

yes

[spring wraith]

no lol

[vast geyser]

dont overcomplicate it

[spring wraith]

trefi you want higher

[brave brook]

fucking no

[spring wraith]

dont baby someone that can grapple with more complex topics

[spring wraith]

?

yes you do

[vast geyser]

surely

[spring wraith]

also no

its pretty useful

[vast geyser]

for what

please

tell me

[spring wraith]

understanding memory better

and cpus to a degree

[vast geyser]

how learning how ram subtimings work helps you

[spring wraith]

it helps you learn how ram works practically

and about IMCs

[vast geyser]

and how does that help

with anything

[spring wraith]

broadens your knowledge base

[vast geyser]

except in dick measuring competitions

[spring wraith]

what

oh youre talking about ram oc itself?

its just beneficial to gaming perf wdym

[brave brook]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-memory-ram-frequency-timings,6328.html

[brave brook]

lol have fun with ram oc on ryzen 7000

[spring wraith]

what

ram oc on ryzen 7000 is super easy

[brave brook]

barely up to 6000MT/s

[spring wraith]

what

depending on your imc max freq is 6200-6400 for daily stability

and speed isnt everything

[vast geyser]

8000 with gear 2 and luck

[spring wraith]

subtimings matter far more for 7000 series

[brave brook]

that like never works though

[spring wraith]

with gear 2 and a good board*

[spring wraith]

yes it does??

[vast geyser]

if OC-ing is this important, just buy the 32gb of the hynix a die for $70

[spring wraith]

true

but dream wont be ocing i dont think

[brave brook]

so it doesnt matter

[vast geyser]

wish i could buy that kit

[brave brook]

just get the smallest timings kit that you can

[open iris]

I swear in the most recent tech upgrade they oc to 6400 try boot the pc and it instantly crashes lmao

[vast geyser]

idk how to OC that well but i could prob get it to 6000 something easily

[brave brook]

they tried to oc to 6000, and it only hit 5400 (maybe 5600)

[vast geyser]

no one knows how old that video could be

new agesa updates really helped quite a bit

[brave brook]

obviously not that old, because it was just released

[vast geyser]

surely they record the same day they upload..

[brave brook]

thats not what i said

[open iris]

It was probably like 2 weeks before or something

He mentioned a bit of it on a wan show

[spring wraith]

yeah because its an xmp profile lol

[open iris]

Idk what one

[spring wraith]

ddr5 xmp is shit

and ltt doesnt know what theyre doing with ram like at all

they couldnt run DR A die past 5600mbps on a z790 dark

[brave brook]

5600mbps????

[spring wraith]

yes

[brave brook]

thats not what that is at all

[spring wraith]

mbps = 2x mhz

[vast geyser]

ermm isnt it mts

[brave brook]

no its MT/s

[spring wraith]

mbps is just a more accurate mt/s

[vast geyser]

eh, whatever

[open iris]

This is informative and unfortunate

[spring wraith]

truly

[spring wraith]

https://youtu.be/diZT3ly0vy4

[brave brook]

fair enough

but MHz was the original (but wrong). then someone said "no its MT/s" and we switched to that. you expect everyone to switch again?

[spring wraith]

no

i just use the correct one

"be the change you want to see in the world" as they say

[brave brook]

yeah....

i just hope dream doesnt go on a whole other question barrage with this convo

hopefully that video will just answer the question, and we can move on

[spare sedge]

ive also heard this

[spare sedge]

ty for this. i feel like im up to date on this whole MT/s vs mbps debate. i know the pc building meta a bit more now.

im gonna keep listening while i work.

also i am interested in ocing but idk which parts can be oced. but as per a previous conversation

im pretty sure its just cpu then gpu then ram.

so the one that most people oc is their cpu. i would like to try but not ln lol

but i might try uving too

im just not sure yet

[open iris]

Can overclock a monitor

[spring wraith]

you can overclock hard drives/ssds as well too

it just kills them super quick

you can also overclock fans

and monitors

and keyboards, mice

controllers

[brave brook]

But it’s bad for all of them except cpus, and monitors

[spring wraith]

nope overclocking mice and controllers is great

and sometimes fans but that depends

[brave brook]

Really?

[spring wraith]

yes

[brave brook]

What do you do for mice and controllers

Make Them report more frequently?

[spring wraith]

yes

higher polling rate

[orchid gate]

That’s a setting in software for some

Monitor overclock refresh rate is usually what’s advertised on ones with unusual figures

Like ASUS TUF 280hz is actually 240hz default, but can be overclocked to that rate

Or a 4K 160hz monitor is really OCed 144hz

.

Guys I don’t think the PC will see construction at this point

Likely she’s bluffing the budget

[spring wraith]

yeah, but you can oc beyond the setting

[orchid gate]

Teach me this power

[spring wraith]

i forget the program

[modest valve]

Oc ing your monitor is probably the worst thing you could oc

Idek why people do it

For an extra 10 hz?

Maybe 15 if you’re lucky?

Monitors have specific psus and specific cooling designed for their hardware

If u oc it sure, it’ll run great for a bit but it’ll die pretty soon

I see so many ppl oc ing their monitors bc some random guy on YouTube says it’s ok, then those ppl just end up killing their monitors

[brave brook]

The cpu and gpu are basically the only things worth oc’ing

[spare sedge]

what about ram

[orchid gate]

Well yes but there’s a simple XMP or EXPO file for that

[spare sedge]

okay i had to clean up around the house

its been a month of rabbit hole digging

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

im gonna review this mb next

this is whats been really pissing me off

its like pcpp doesnt list most of the usbs

all the same board btw

2x2 can only be c

on pcpp it says there is 1 gen 1 instead of 4

and on pcpp it says there is 2 usb2s instead of fucking 9

how do you lose 7 usb2s and 3 usb3.2 gen 1s

[vast geyser]

its not 7 usbs, just 1
it says the ones for the front panel

[lavish nexus]

Facts

[solar cliff]

Si mp XD

[spare sedge]

wdym

i had to ask naol and they told me its cause some are headers and some are ports

i also know why a header is not a port now

[modest valve]

have u heard of the msi godlike mobo

dont buy it

[spare sedge]

i have actually when i sorted by price

[modest valve]

im used to building budget pcs but from what ive noticed any mobo around $250 will do pretty much everything the average person would need, and anything above $350 is wayyyyy overkill

did u decide on the form factor yet

like matx, itx, atx, eatx

[vale prairie]

I asked earlier and she hadn’t, but since she’s looking at atx mobos, I’d just assume atx

[teal pond]

atx would make the most sense

[spare sedge]

well actually atx makes the least sense

this is because i plan on transitioning my life into a van

but tbh atx doesnt take up much more space

i would go atx for raw power and features

but itx is the smarter buy

matx is smarter too

[spare sedge]

im also not really the most average person. i wish tho.

[lavish nexus]

Gonna be honest with you if you wanna have a decently powerful pc itx makes absolutely no sense

Really owning a desktop in general makes no sense if you’re gonna live in a van

Even mATX is massive if stuck in a van.

Maybe you should try cloud gaming you can do that on a $100 laptop and have a okay experience as long as you have fast stable internet

[vale prairie]

Stable internet?!? In a van!?! That’s preposterous!!

[lavish nexus]

5G is pretty solid depending on where she’s planning to stay

[teal pond]

at this point maybe she could get an itx case if she goes itx

No point in putting it in an atx

[open iris]

why?

[vale prairie]

Why would anyone go itx and not get an itx case 🙃

[open iris]

maybe they love the look of an empty case ? 🤔

[vale prairie]

I think thats stupid

[brave brook]

because youre Jake, and youre meming

[spare sedge]

what is cloud gaming?

[spare sedge]

probably eventually going to live in new york for free

[spare sedge]

well actually not really.

ive already seen an atx in the kinds of vans i want

and its not really a problem

[open iris]

Connecting to another pc over the internet with good specs to play games to put it simply

[spare sedge]

why would you do that

that sounds awful ngl

[open iris]

If you have a shitty pc but decent internet

You can play games

[spare sedge]

sounds shitty lmao

[open iris]

It's not the worst

[spare sedge]

so let me get this straight

you guys want me to ditch the pc build so that i can build a shitty pc so i can cloud game

lmaoo

[open iris]

I mean I'm not saying that

Cloud gaming only really games sense anyway if you can't afford something that can play games

Or like low powered handhelds

Or gaming on the go in general i guess on a laptop or something

[vast geyser]

anything above $150 tbf

[orchid gate]

Not when considering this is how multiplayer games work

Your data gets sent through servers that may then in turn send the same package to other servers in completely different nations

And even if it’s far, remember there are undersea and underground internet cables

So everything is wired basically, no electronic interference etc

Just a slight touch of latency known as ping

[orchid gate]

No, more like if you play FPS/MOBA multiplayer games a lot or enjoy them and want an optimal experience on the go you can connect to a nearby server with more horsepower and better internet connection as it’s closer to other game servers for a smoother visual experience

And lower latency

It’s the difference between sending mail by hand and running to the recipient address (you might stop to take a rest, have a drink) or handing it over to a courier van to drive there (far fewer/shorter breaks)

You yourself (local PC hardware) do very little (simply chat to a proxy server between you and others) for identical outcomes (game runs)

[spare sedge]

cant i just do that with this pc tho

im basically going to live off "stealing" wifi

also starlink one day

and probably hotspot devices

[spare sedge]

im basically working with naol because im trying to decipher these motherboard manufacturer websites and im honestly learning a lot

kind of mad about headers tbh lol

so i remember talking about steel slots before. what is the significance of having a steel slot for the pcie?

also does anyone know what killer e3100g means lol?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ckhFf7/asrock-b650-livemixer-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-livemixer

i am reviewing this board next

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650 LiveMixer/Specification.asp

very ugly lmao

[lavish nexus]

No one told you to ditch the PC build lol it’s just an option

[spare sedge]

they mentioned me using a laptop tho

so if i had a laptop could i do this with my future pc

[lavish nexus]

If you had a laptop you could do cloud gaming. It basically take all the load off your PC and makes everything render on the cloud gaming server

[spare sedge]

alright. i might make a thread for a laptop in the future

im getting faster at reviewing the boards since ik what im looking at more but geez

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J8WzK8/asus-proart-b650-creator-atx-am5-motherboard-proart-b650-creator

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-b650-creator/techspec/

so buildzoid was talking about how the chipset gives bandwidth? i kind of know what the chipset is. but i thought the chipset was like the nervous system of the motherboard. why does it act like a cpu?

also it would seem that m.2 slots are not included in the expansion slots

so that means expansion slots = just pcie slots

which is weird cause that means that one source i found was horribly wrong.

i have yet to see one atx wth 7 expansion slots

every board im seeing, has like fucking 3 lmao

this one has 4 expansion slots

[lavish nexus]

Idk shit about pc hardware other then CPUs and gpus. And it’s all theoretically. I’m a software engineer so

[spare sedge]

damn

[lavish nexus]

I know for sure tho if you have more lanes then your cpu can support they’re useless

[spare sedge]

it would seem like no one really knows about motherboards tbh.

because it requires a p deep dive

[lavish nexus]

Well no one really cares lol. They get what they need for gaming or content purposes and go on about their day.

[spare sedge]

thats insane to me

[lavish nexus]

I wouldn’t spend much time researching mobos cause most of them will achieve the exact same thing. Functionality of the PC and content creation/gaming

Maybe a few extra things for workstation purposes like PCIe bifurcation and other random shit

But a lot of board have that now so

[spare sedge]

some of them seem wildly different even at the same chipset level, however its within dumb differences like who cares if this board has 3 less shitty usbs

im only reviewing the ones in buildzoids video for now

but its like. i HATE motherboard manufacturers cause like, why even bother adding all these usb2 ports on the rear io. like wtf.

who tf needs 8 usb2 ports

[lavish nexus]

I’d just make sure I’d had enough rear IO for you, a 2.5G lan at least, enough fan headers to run all your fans if needed. And enough expansion slots to support the max available via your cpu

[spare sedge]

GIVE ME usb 2x2. or 2x1 jesus

and then theyll have 1

[lavish nexus]

You can use 8 usb 2.0 for connecting peripherals and other random shit

[spare sedge]

it seems that 2.5gb lan is the standard. so ill be happy with that

i havent even seen the 10gb lan

[lavish nexus]

It’s normally only in server board and it’s expensive

Not worth it tbh

[spare sedge]

when i do my final choice, i wont really factor in the bonus stuff that doesnt matter except as a "nice to have" brownie points sort of thing

[lavish nexus]

Yea honestly if you don’t see your self finding use out of it in everyday life I wouldn’t even worry about the extra features

[spare sedge]

if find the price of the cheapest board that has 10gb lan. i will probably mention it, but yeah i cant imagine it being cheap which is dumb.

cause its p much worthless unless you are enterprise

[lavish nexus]

Still pretty worthless I’d buy a dual wan board before I’d buy a 10g board

[spare sedge]

do you know anything about storage

like in depth or not really.

[lavish nexus]

Other then raid being really freakin awesome no

[spare sedge]

oh so you like raid

i heard that was kind of just a nice to have

[lavish nexus]

Yup I use it for my gaming storage

Raid 0 on 3 WD black 2tb drives

[spare sedge]

it allows you to group your drives right

[lavish nexus]

I get about 550ish mbps read and writes

[lavish nexus]

And it aggregates the total speed of them all to increase speed overall

[spare sedge]

oh thats p nice

is that based off the sata ports or off the storage device itself

[lavish nexus]

The raid software?

[spare sedge]

the speed increase

[lavish nexus]

Oh it’s based off the devices

[spare sedge]

that makes sense.

so why is it good for gaming tho

[lavish nexus]

Basically it just stores bits of data on each device evenly so instead of pulling a large file from 1 drive you’re pulling smaller files from each drive to bring the large file together

It’s faster cause the drive doesn’t spend as much time reading the large file it instead can read smaller files and compile them together in the right order with the raid software. Tbh tho ssds are fast enough now theirs no need for raid I just use it cause I’m a cheap ass still using HDDs to store games in 2023

[spare sedge]

oh wow so raid is something i should get into

[vale prairie]

God no, please 🙏

[spare sedge]

well anyway

does anyone know this

[vale prairie]

What type of onboard ethernet it is

[spare sedge]

wdym

[vale prairie]

It’s the Killer e3100g

[spare sedge]

right

[vale prairie]

It’s just what the onboard ethernet is called

[spare sedge]

ive seen some with other names tho too

whats the difference?

[vale prairie]

None really

Only thing that matters is max speed

[spare sedge]

why not just call it 2.5 gb ethernet lmao

[vale prairie]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare sedge]

so who names the ethernet

i thought it was just the port for the wifi

[vale prairie]

Yes, but different companies make them

[spare sedge]

so the manufacturer doesnt name them then

motherboard

[open iris]

Firstly raid 0 is the only one that increases your speeds but also if one drive fails you just lose data on every drive in that raid array and also the increase speeds are actually just useless ngl, the difference between even a gen 3 and gen 5 drive is already useless for gaming, the only time you actually need that much ssd speed is it you are like editing 4k video constantly and are moving data between 2 drives or a nas

[spare sedge]

i havent done any research on storage yet

idk gens really

[open iris]

Pcie gens

[spare sedge]

ohh

[teal pond]

your going to want gen 4

Storage

[vale prairie]

The MP44L is good

Or the 980 pro

[teal pond]

or the sn850x

It performs close to the 990 pro at like half the price

[vale prairie]

It’s tlc though isn’t it?

[teal pond]

what is that

[vale prairie]

Worse than slc

[teal pond]

oh idk

[vale prairie]

https://www.kingston.com/unitedkingdom/en/blog/pc-performance/difference-between-slc-mlc-tlc-3d-nand

[teal pond]

yeah it is

tlc

[vale prairie]

Okay, the 980 pro and Mp44L are both slc

And the 990 pro

[vale prairie]

Actually maybe not

[teal pond]

what is the mp44l compared to

its cheaper than the 980 and sn850x

[vale prairie]

It’s slower

[teal pond]

oh

[vale prairie]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/DDWBD3,DyhFf7,2x4Ycf

[teal pond]

980 pro is best option then

probably

[lavish nexus]

What’s wrong with it lol

[vale prairie]

Nothing, just another rabbit hole to go down

[lavish nexus]

No not really only if you’re gonna use some spare HDDs laying around

Or maybe sata SSDs most nvme ssds are more then fast enough even in gen 3

[vale prairie]

I wanna see this pc get build, we have to skip over everything possible

[lavish nexus]

Most game engines will only load so fast anyway because of terrible optimization

Well other factors also I assume but

[vale prairie]

What parts are we yet to pick?

[lavish nexus]

I don’t think any tbh

[vale prairie]

So the pc will see construction soon?

[lavish nexus]

Probably not

[vale prairie]

Shit

[lavish nexus]

Seems like a lot of pointless questions that could be resolved by google if they were actually interested in the answer

[spare sedge]

its in the post

[lavish nexus]

What post? This thread has 9k messages lol

[spare sedge]

#1139391773253316608 message

you arent even new to the thread

everyone in here knows where we are

[lavish nexus]

Why haven’t you built it yet

[spare sedge]

wdym

i dont even have the parts

[vale prairie]

Hey dream why did you pick 5600mhz CL28 ram and not 6000mhz CL30 ram

More mhz = better

[spare sedge]

not always

[vale prairie]

Mmm mhz

[spare sedge]

if you are asking because you actually want to know, it's just cause from the benchmarking results ive seen, but i might go 6400 cause apparently ive been told that those benchmarks couldnt be accurate. but the 6000 is my last option.

[vale prairie]

6400 is unstable

[spare sedge]

not from what ive seen

6400 is not only supported but it is stable. however, some benchmarks dont seem to run on it at all. but that doesnt really mean anything.

i dont want to talk about ram tho

just want to talk about motherboards

[lavish nexus]

6000Mhz is the sweet spot for ryzen

[spare sedge]

everyone always uses that term

but regardless i disagree.

[vale prairie]

Why

[spare sedge]

look

[vale prairie]

Because it’s true, everyone will tell you that

[spare sedge]

i dont want to talk about ram

motherboard or leave me alone

[lavish nexus]

Just cause you disagree doesn’t mean that you’re right lol

[vale prairie]

Okay, did you dismiss the Asrock Riptide board?

[spare sedge]

im having an overall hard time reading the specs

naol has helped me a lot but i ultimately still have questions

as for the riptide

thats one of the ones i have to redo

or not redo, im actually just trying to figure out one last thing about usbs for that board

[lavish nexus]

What is your main purpose for the PC

If it’s gaming why do you need to know the specifics about every little thing lol

Just very confused as to why you’re lingering on every specific detail cause no matter what you buy their will always be a feature on another product that is better later on. Future proofing is a lie at best

[brave brook]

It’s for everything. She does game, but there’s “other things” too. What they are, I haven’t found out yet despite asking multiple times.

Probably because she doesn’t know and just wants it to be able to do everything

[lavish nexus]

Well at this point with the amount of research she’s done theirs absolutely no reason to continue to research every specific. If she’s that worried about it then just buy top of the line everything.

X670e is the best way to go all around with am5 if she wants to really get every inch of performance out of her system

At least I think it’s x670e

[brave brook]

Oh man, the number of people who have said that. She still just keeps asking about every part of every component and trying to find the “best one”

[lavish nexus]

Their is no “best one”

[vale prairie]

Exactly

[brave brook]

The number of hours spent discussing 4090 aib’s

[vale prairie]

Atleast like 2000 messages

[brave brook]

The cheaper ones she didn’t like because “the vrms are bad”

[lavish nexus]

Their are some that meet a certain criteria but theirs no way she’ll ever be 100% satisfied because every brand has different features that you have to compromise on

[open iris]

the problem is she cares to much about the spec sheet and not real world performance

[lavish nexus]

Unless she’s major overclocking it doesn’t matter

[brave brook]

That’s the best way of explaining it actually

[lavish nexus]

Yea I saw that it was absolutely useless cause they all perform relatively the same

[brave brook]

Yeah, she wanted the rog strix/tuf because of the 2 hdmi ports because hdmi 2.1 is technically better than dp 1.4

[lavish nexus]

It doesn’t have DP 2.1 or whatever?

[brave brook]

But then settled for the liquid suprim (stupid af imo)

[lavish nexus]

And the differences are minimal lol

[brave brook]

Nope

[lavish nexus]

Ahh my 7900 xtx does rip

[brave brook]

8k 60 (with dsc) and 10k 60 for the hdmi

[lavish nexus]

Bruh…

Playing in 8k is literally useless and always will be anyway

8k TVs are just a way to flex “I have money”

[brave brook]

But dp 1.4 can do 4K 120 which is what she’ll probably be doing, and both will suffice (whether it’s a monitor or a tv that she uses as the gaming display)

[brave brook]

Also for some reason, she thinks that since 8k is useless now, that 16k will be relevant in 20 years because “it’s so many more pixels”

[lavish nexus]

Yea I play in 4K 144hz so it’s gotta be Dp 2 or whatever

[lavish nexus]

That you can’t visible perceive

[brave brook]

Yeah 😂

8k is already beyond that

[lavish nexus]

Linus actually did a video on it and came to the conclusion 8k TVs and monitors are stupid

[brave brook]

Yeah

[vast geyser]

tbf he also said that about 4K ones

[brave brook]

Ah, my fellow war veteran

XD

[vast geyser]

dude

ive been trying to pull out an 8 pin for the past 15 minutes

[lavish nexus]

Yea I’ve got a 4K monitor and the difference in ultra 1440p and 4K are meh

[open iris]

i mean hey when people start putting 80 inch monitors on their desks

8k will surely be a vibe

[lavish nexus]

I’ve only got a 28 inch monitor tho so

And my vision is shit

[brave brook]

Wth, that would be terrible

[open iris]

honestly im tired of this resolution race, im just waiting for the rise of 16:10

[lavish nexus]

If it’s not curved it would be an actual headache

[open iris]

by 10 is such a better aspect ratio yet we're being robbed by monitor manufactorers

[brave brook]

It would need to be curved in 2 dimensions

[lavish nexus]

Tbh my 4K 40 inch tv as a monitor is a massive headache

[brave brook]

Exactly

[lavish nexus]

27-32 is the perfect sweet spot for me anyway

[open iris]

yeah i wasnt serious

[lavish nexus]

That’s why I have a 28 inch😎

[vast geyser]

finger and knuckle are currently bleeding

[brave brook]

Good

[open iris]

that being said some people would 100% do that

[brave brook]

Oh no, is it the cpu?

[vast geyser]

yeah the cpu 8 pin

[brave brook]

Rip their neck, eyes, and money

[vast geyser]

tight tight

[brave brook]

Yeah that is tight

[open iris]

i do wanna move to 27inch though but i need a new desk and a way better gpu first

unless i like mounted my second monitor above which i depise ngl

[brave brook]

Lol

I don’t think I’d like vertical stacked monitors

[vast geyser]

it is not budging

[brave brook]

Can you reach the clip?

[vast geyser]

barely

[open iris]

who likes looking up at all

[vast geyser]

1 finger on the clip then i have to pull via the cables, which isnt very easy

[brave brook]

Yeah, it’d only be ok for 4 or 6 monitors, which a gaming pc doesn’t need

[brave brook]

Wow, that’s really difficult

[vast geyser]

the sock for stronger grip technique doesnt work

[lavish nexus]

Bruh

[vast geyser]

?

[vast geyser]

what r u bruhing about

[lavish nexus]

That’s shits tight

I’d have to take the mobo out I’d never get it loose

[vast geyser]

yeah it would prob have been faster to do that but its such a chore

[lavish nexus]

True

[vast geyser]

i just want to swap my psu man, not have a gym session

[lavish nexus]

Not to bad with a long magnetic bit and drill

I probably needa upgrade mine to at least a 1000w

[vast geyser]

mine died so i have to swap it

[lavish nexus]

I’m running a 5800x and a 7900 xtx on a 750w PSU

[brave brook]

Um….

[lavish nexus]

Haven’t tripped OCP yet but

We’ll see

[brave brook]

Yeah that needs an upgrade and a half

[lavish nexus]

Nahhhh

It’s fineeee

[brave brook]

Lies

It’s fine until it lights on fire

[lavish nexus]

Tbf the highest wattage I’ve seen from the card is 490w through hardware monitor but some people say they get upwards of 500w I’ve never seen it tho

[lavish nexus]

The PSU has pretty good preventions for that

[brave brook]

Yeah probably

[lavish nexus]

OCP OVP, and several others set appropriately

[vast geyser]

man i just want to fucking game already aghhh

[brave brook]

Wow, how oc’ed is that

[brave brook]

Time to take the motherboard out

[lavish nexus]

Only thing it doesn’t have is fan failure protection but I have air blowing on the PSU from inside the case so

[lavish nexus]

Eh it’s mild. Like 2800MHz with a 1120 undervolt (1150 stock)

But the power limit is set to max and it still never draws over 500w

[vast geyser]

no way im doing that (idk where the screws are)

[brave brook]

What? On the motherboard?

[vast geyser]

yeah

[brave brook]

How

[vast geyser]

i didnt build the pc

[lavish nexus]

Not to mention my undervolted and overclocked 5800x never goes over like 60-70w gaming and that’s all I do. So until my PC cuts off from OCP ima send it

[brave brook]

You can still visually see the screws

[vast geyser]

only see like 3 of them, dont feel like going treasure hunting

[lavish nexus]

Only way it’d be a problem is if the gpu spiked above like 750w. And still not really a big deal the PSU will go to 930 before OCP cuts it off

[vast geyser]

+id have to reconnect everything again

[open iris]

call it quits and build yourself a new pc

[vast geyser]

for real

[spare sedge]

its cause ive answered multiple times

im tired of explaining my use case to people

[vast geyser]

yeah you did

protein simulation n shit

right

[brave brook]

Well, I must’ve missed it, or forgot

[spare sedge]

yeah

and ai

the use case doesnt matter at all at this point

[vast geyser]

btw creeper, someone came and helped me take out the cable, now i have a new psu

[vast geyser]

whats the point in simulating protein stuff?

[orchid gate]

It’s a joke

course you can’t with a single PC (the AI)

Also protein sim is a hellava strain on your power bill plus I doubt you’ll yield any results of more than vague interest

[spare sedge]

basically doing genetic engineering is super cheap right now

only about $1000 a pop for a plasmid. which isnt cheap for poor people but its good enough for enthusiasts.

[orchid gate]

.

You’re not kidding about protein folding?

[spare sedge]

um what?

this is absolutely possible on a regular consumer pc

[orchid gate]

Well you see chatGPT has its own data centre that probably spans kilometres

[vast geyser]

kilometres?

[orchid gate]

Lengthwise maybe

[vast geyser]

man

[orchid gate]

haven’t read much on it

[vast geyser]

AI doesnt only mean chatgpt

level of hardware

[orchid gate]

Great yea figured that

[vast geyser]

AI can mean simple image generation or those songs

[spare sedge]

i kind of dont like chatgpt

[orchid gate]

You have midjourney, dall-e 2

Which require GPU horsepower

[orchid gate]

And it can also mean stuff like DLSS 3

[spare sedge]

im on the midjourney server

[orchid gate]

Mhm

I’d be interested to hear if you have work demands that need these specs :p

[spare sedge]

yeah i will start out with learning ai on the pc instead of just mobile lol it will start off simple and expand into rendering i think?

[orchid gate]

Because not many people simulate proteins for fun mind you

[spare sedge]

actually this isnt true either

[vast geyser]

and whats the point in doing that though

[orchid gate]

Catch me off guard 🤷

[spare sedge]

its more popular now than its ever been

[orchid gate]

Sure?

[spare sedge]

and ALOT of people do it now.

[orchid gate]

Link me an enthusiast post

[vast geyser]

i really dont find the enjoyment in simulating proteins

[orchid gate]

Duh folding @ home

Well no shit you got thousands of PCs doing it too so it’s running smoothly

[spare sedge]

ik this other goth girl who does it with her pet rats.

[orchid gate]

🤦‍♂️

[spare sedge]

im honestly. not that far yet

[orchid gate]

That’s not what simulating proteins is

[spare sedge]

my end goal is to maybe try it on men.

[vast geyser]

wait try what

[orchid gate]

Rant all you want I’ll go now

[vast geyser]

i dont understand

[orchid gate]

She’s trolling at this point

[spare sedge]

well it starts off easy with like basical luminescent testing

[orchid gate]

Thinks protein simulation is synonymous to animal experimentation

Keep going

[spare sedge]

so kind of like troubleshooting leds for pcs but on a human

[vast geyser]

so simulating lights?

[vast geyser]

the fuck

[spare sedge]

no like how motherboards will show different colors based off no post issues

[orchid gate]

@spare sedge I think your work break is taking too long

or your hours should be earlier

[spare sedge]

if the protein lights up that means you did it successfully.

[vast geyser]

and that confirmation is worth $1000

[orchid gate]

$2000?

[vast geyser]

whatever

an ungodly amount of moolah

[spare sedge]

which means on the 2nd round. just take out the luminescent protein and it will work 100% cause the luminescent doesnt impact the overall plasmid

[orchid gate]

Look if you’re still pissed and trying to bide your time then we can choose another topic to talk about

Not an iota of your wording is comprehensible to me

[spare sedge]

its really not that much

[vast geyser]

surely

[spare sedge]

thats okay we can go back to motherboards tho

[orchid gate]

What was this even about

[spare sedge]

this is why i dont like getting into my use case lmao

male pc builders seem to get triggered lol

[orchid gate]

Is this all done digitally?

[spare sedge]

at first

[vast geyser]

surely

[vast geyser]

how did u still not pick one

[orchid gate]

I mean if you really like experimenting on people

Run clinical trials

[vast geyser]

japan type of shit

[orchid gate]

Is this genetic medicine you’re talking about?

so like a typical GP visit to see if you have a cold and they shove a popsicle stick above your tongue to hold it down and inspect your throat?

but you’re doing this to single protein chains???

Or several

[orchid gate]

What will work 100%?

I’m actually curious now

From what I’m reading you’re playing tag with a muscle sample

[lavish nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/weirdchamping-weirdchamp-twitch-meme-ryan-gutierrez-gif-17202815

[brave brook]

Is this convo about bioluminescent watercooling?

Nvm

[brave brook]

Oh no 😂

[fallow fiber]

Why the fucl did this thread become protein simulation

What the actual fuck

[spare sedge]

not at all. every plasmid you check to see if it works. all scientists have to do the luminescent test.

its literally like a troubleshooting led. i wasnt joking lol

[spare sedge]

the plasmid.

you design the plasmid however you want but if it doesnt work. you just wasted a lot of money lmao

[vast geyser]

(even if it works, you still wasted a lot of money)

[spare sedge]

the idea is to inject the plasmid and see if it does anything meaningful. if you combine it with the luminescence you can see if it worked.

cause its oftentimes hard to tell if your plasmid did anything

but if it lights up. thats a good indication that it worked.

[spare sedge]

not at all.

[spare sedge]

because they asked about my pc use case lmao

[spare sedge]

not watercooling.

[brave brook]

Yeah I realized that

[spare sedge]

i know a lot of guys who would be willing to do whatever i say. ik they wouldnt mind a few injections but obviously i need a couple more things before i can do it legally.

[vast geyser]

manipulative af what 😭

[spare sedge]

no its not. they are usually just eager. idk why

[vast geyser]

gotta be on a different level of obsessed to let you inject them with random shit

[spare sedge]

well.

tbh i dont think so

[fallow fiber]

Lemme inject yo ass with malaria

[spare sedge]

lmao

[fallow fiber]

Just get a pc and be done with it like what's so hard

[vast geyser]

you must be underestimating those men

tbh its the US so theyre generally stupid but cmon

[lavish nexus]

Gotta be a bunch of beta males

[teal pond]

at least we arent as bad as British men

dream, have you researched anything for the water cooling yet?

[vale prairie]

Yep mhm definitely 😅

[teal pond]

its only the men in florida and ohio you guys are hearing about

as long as dream doesn’t go with some wacky looking loop, it won’t be hard

[brave brook]

you can search "florida man" and then any date, and there'll be a news story about it

and theyre all stupid af

[spare sedge]

oh no im just saying they arent really obsessed.

florida is the worst state in the us

[spare sedge]

yep. most likely going aio

i had to put off the aio choice cause idk how big im going yet

[vast geyser]

good choice

[spare sedge]

after i figure out size. i can go back and the choice will be relatively quick since i already know it

[spare sedge]

im stuck on motherboard because instead of just picking a random mb that looks cool. you actually kind of need to know at least entry level knowledge about the other parts

so the x670e boards i hear are just two b650 boards put together??

[vast geyser]

kinda

yeah

[spare sedge]

thats what buildzoid says

[orchid gate]

What did the plasmid do even

Oh right I see, basically a cell made for meiosis

[spare sedge]

it depends on what you literally put in the code

it could be almost anything within reason

[spare sedge]

anyway

so back to mbs

can anyone help me decipher this

asrock is talking about the usb headers on the actual pcb of the mb

not the rear io

ik what all the usbs are. and i have them commited to memory.

but what does "support 3 usb 2.0" mean?

or "support 2 usb 3.2 gen 1 ports" mean

and what does "redriver" mean?

on pcpp it only says 2 usb2, 1 usb 1x1, and 1 usb 2x2

[spare sedge]

its cause you actually code the plasmid first before you make it irl.

and initially you start with plants.

and build up from there to like rats

[spare sedge]

whats ocp

[lavish nexus]

Over current protection. Keeps your PSU from dying an early death when your system draws to much power

[spare sedge]

someone told me not to straight up go x670e. but yeah im going top of the line everything

thats what i asked for

[spare sedge]

this isnt even true. it was all of it.

[brave brook]

thats all i remember you saying

[spare sedge]

you literally further go over my reasonings later on. why cant my reasonings for my pc be good enough to let it be lmao.

its not even your pc

i dont really want to fucking spend $300 on +1hdmi

[brave brook]

i just dont want you to waste money, thats all

[spare sedge]

and i dont want to save $100 going the shitty PNY card lmao

[lavish nexus]

PNY cards aren’t shitty lol

[brave brook]

you keep saying it, but dont say why

[lavish nexus]

PNY is a very reputable brand

[spare sedge]

im paying $100 for what seems like SO much more value on the suprim x liquid

not from what ive seen. i also dont like the look of the PNY.

almost all of the 4090 aibs look HORRIBLE

there all so ugly

especially the strix

i hate the whole red and blue thing.

[lavish nexus]

Maybe to you but I like a lot of them. Tbh I’d get the galax card if I wanted to over spend on nvidia cause it’s noiceee and I’m a rgb nerd

[spare sedge]

its like for a child or for some cringe dude.

[brave brook]

nooo dont spend that much on a 4090

[spare sedge]

the galax is so pretty. i dont know why everyone calls it ugly

[lavish nexus]

Imo the Gigabyte aero is soooo noice but I also like gigabyte and white cards so

[spare sedge]

i wont spend $1000 on looks tho. and i dont wanna buy from ebay lol

[lavish nexus]

I already have a 7900 xtx I won’t be upgrading for years to come

It’s sexah

[brave brook]

yeah, i mean for her

[spare sedge]

gigabyte made it into my top 5 - 8 cards despite having a p bad reputation

but all the girlies get gigabyte so im tempted

cause they get that white gigabyte and its kind of cute

[lavish nexus]

They don’t have a bad reputation I’ve had gigabyte products in the past and never had issuesb

[spare sedge]

thats good

[spare sedge]

i wont. dont worry.

[lavish nexus]

My board is actually gigabyte I think

[brave brook]

i think it has a pretty bold design. some people like it, and others dont

[lavish nexus]

Think I got around 2k in my build or sum

[spare sedge]

that makes sense

[lavish nexus]

You think that’s bold? You should look at yestons AMD cards lol

THOSE are bold

[brave brook]

should i be scared to look them up?

[lavish nexus]

It’s mostly anime dweeb themed

Some of them are nice and some are just cringe

[brave brook]

oh yeah wow, that is bold

[lavish nexus]

The rx 580 they made it legit a cat face with the cards fans

[brave brook]

LOL

[lavish nexus]

The rx 6800 xt is actually kinda nice tho. It’s probably the only one I like sorta

Rx 6800 xt Sakura or something

[spare sedge]

its the whole card. i dont like the entire card or the brand

[lavish nexus]

They make a 7900 xtx but it kinda looks meh

Pny is a very reputable brand. At least in my knowledge. Tbh tho they only really make the PCB and fans lol. Nvidia takes care of the rest, the board dies most of the time it’s just a defective unit

Unless it’s asus they actually make premium junk

[brave brook]

but....what exactly is wrong with it. you said the esthetics you dont like, which is fine, but what else

[lavish nexus]

If I had the extra $400 I would bought this https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon RX 7900 XTX Aqua 24GB OC/

Suchhhh a nice card

[brave brook]

its probably binned and oc'ed to the moon

considering the waterblock

[lavish nexus]

The air cooled one performs the same

And cools about the same too lol

Maybe a little worse but not by much

[brave brook]

oh really lol

goes to show how much cutom watercooling actually matters

[lavish nexus]

They have a updated vbios that lets it OC to 3000MHz

[lavish nexus]

It used to matter but now air coolers are literally so beefy it’s like meh

If you can deal with the wind tunnel it’ll run cool. My OC 7900 xtx runs at like 55c under max load

[brave brook]

is it just the reference models with the usb c/thunderbolt output?

[lavish nexus]

Urm not sure

That always pissed me off

Mine has 2 DP 2.1 and 2 HDMI 2.1

[brave brook]

you did or didnt like it

[lavish nexus]

I didn’t like it

Just put another DP on their like wtf

[brave brook]

idk who used it

[haughty quail]

jesus christ this thread is still open?

[spare sedge]

i dont like the way it looks. i dont like the reviews. i dont like the benchmarks. i dont like the cooler on it. i dont like the pny brand. i dont like the vrm set up. i dont like anything about it. i dont like the decision philosophy of going for the pny. not only do i think the pny is a horrible card, but i think it is a horrible recommendation for all pc builders and for anyone wanting a 4090. i think it is bad advice for pc builders on a budget especially. I think it is a horrible option for price / perf ratio people IN SPITE of it being cheaper and having the exact same gpu. i dont like the oc potential of the pny card.

the only good thing about the pny is that it is $100 cheaper which means absolutely nothing to me. i literally dont need to save $100 in my budget. i especially think that if anyone is buying a 4090 card just to have a 4090 card in the build even though its not really one that they want, that it is not a smart buy at all.

i dont like the pny card because of the inherent dissatisfaction i would have after purchasing it when i could have gotten what i actually wanted instead obviously.

BUT NO NO NO NO you gotta have the $100 fucking dollars. thats WAYYYY MORE IMPORTANT especially to you

[haughty quail]

bro this thread is creeping up on 10k comments wtf

how

[spare sedge]

the worst thing you can do, is choose a part because its cheaper and decide thats what you want.

[lavish nexus]

You realize all the aib cards perform within a reasonable margin right

[spare sedge]

yes

[haughty quail]

thats legit what i do all the time

[lavish nexus]

OC is really the only difference

[brave brook]

and thats partially up to the silicone lottery

[spare sedge]

i also know that the rog is by far the best air cooled card performing on par with the suprim x liquid

[lavish nexus]

The pny card is not a horrible card tho.

[spare sedge]

you can do that, but im not.

AND ALSO WHY WOULD I when all of that work is already done

[lavish nexus]

Yes this is the biggest thing tbh

[haughty quail]

to save money

honestly i would get the pny card

[lavish nexus]

😂

[haughty quail]

barely performance difference from other ones

bro

[lavish nexus]

Tbh I like the msi suprim it’s just a bit pricey but so is literally every 4090 so

That’s why I went with a amd card

[spare sedge]

the rog is $2000

the suprim x liquid is $1740

[brave brook]

we cant make you buy a certain one, but the liquid suprim is marked up just so you can say "my gpu is watercooled"

[spare sedge]

the fe is $1800

the pny is $1600

msrp is $1600

chasing the msrp is horrible advice.

[lavish nexus]

4090s literally are not worth the buy in general for the average gamer they’re actually an awful buy

[brave brook]

and thats why the PNY is the best option imo

[brave brook]

thats just objectively wrong

[spare sedge]

it is objectively not wrong

[brave brook]

where did you get that information

[spare sedge]

you know about pcs. i respect that. i know more about money than you know about pcs.

[lavish nexus]

In general most people think buying a card at near msrp or lower is the best option tbh

[spare sedge]

lets just make this clear

chasing the msrp is good advice IFF

your use case is

#1 budget #2 gaming

thats NOT this build

you cant just throw me into a cookie cutter

[lavish nexus]

Then why ever even start a thread just buy top of the line everything

[spare sedge]

the pny card is JUST FINE for some of you

but not me

and thats okay

[spare sedge]

i literally didnt know what that was

when i started lmao

i didnt know anything

[lavish nexus]

YouTube, google

[brave brook]

what are you expecting to get out of the liquid suprim

[lavish nexus]

Etc.

[brave brook]

that wouldnt be in the PNY, or equivelant

[spare sedge]

a 4090 card that i am happy with

vs a 4090 card that i am unhappy with lmao

its that simple

[lavish nexus]

Really no point of arguing it’s probably just A preference

I wish the suprim had rgb

[brave brook]

yeah :/

[lavish nexus]

Or a rgb version

[spare sedge]

i dont need supporting facts or to build some kind of argument in a creative essay for you to understand

[spare sedge]

does any 4090 have rgb

[lavish nexus]

The pny one does 😂😂

[spare sedge]

this is what we did.

[brave brook]

i was just about to say that LOL

[lavish nexus]

I think a few other but not for sure

[spare sedge]

i mean i do like rgb

[lavish nexus]

Nvidia only has super nice looking cards imo in the 3000 series

And now amd has the best looking cards in 7000 series

[spare sedge]

is it the only one with rgb lmao???

[lavish nexus]

Not sure tbh haven’t really looked

The 4080 galax is rgb but I don’t see them making a 4090

[brave brook]

several PNY cards, an MSI Gaming Trio, and maybe a zotac from what i see on images,

and some waterblocked ones

[spare sedge]

my advice for people trying to chase the msrp financially is to not do that at all by getting a cheap aib that you are more likely to be unhappy with and instead just drop down to the 7900 xtx in this case. you shouldnt be finding yourself in an event to where you are financially trying to save money IFF you are buying a 4090 lmao that makes no sense.

[lavish nexus]

Gigabyte too

[brave brook]

i mean id say get a 7900xtx anyway

[lavish nexus]

Nah tbh I’d buy the cheapest 4090 and slap a aftermarket waterblock on it

But I have a 7900 xtx

[spare sedge]

if you are going the 4090 and need to save for your budget in the rest of the build, then that means you didnt budget correctly.

you should have budgeted to the point where you are absolutely comfortable

[brave brook]

what if you just want to save money in general. i would still try to buy the cheapest of any component regardless of the budget

[spare sedge]

tight is okay, but you shouldnt be cutting corners. especially for $100 only.

[spare sedge]

i dont have a problem with this philosophy, but its ultimately "buyer's confidence"

at the end of the day, you need to feel confident in the product you purchased.

[modest valve]

doesnt matter when all of the 4090s have overbuilt coolers. thats what weve been telling you but you dont listen.

[spare sedge]

when you buy used, obviously you are trying to save money in general, but that comes at the cost of buyer's confidence

[spare sedge]

im not listening because i disagree. literally not all of the coolers can even out perform the fe.

[brave brook]

every 4090 is basically the same, unless its FOC. but you could still achieve the same OC without much trouble post purchase

[modest valve]

choosing a 4090 imo mainly matters on what your form factor is. if youre going for itx then youd want to look into a card that doesnt produce as much heat as others. but this usually isnt a problem bc 99% of people building a pc with a 4090 go with atx. so the card doesnt matter.

[spare sedge]

and i will gladly spend a measly $100 especially if i am interested in an oc attempt

[brave brook]

havent the FE cards had notoriously bad coolers?

like since forever?

[spare sedge]

i already know this. i did the research

[modest valve]

they will all oc perfectly, maybe a 1-5 frame difference which you wont notice

[spare sedge]

i already know the miniscule differences that there are

i am perfectly happy with my 4090 choice

i dont want the $100. how about that lmao

ill give it to one of you lmao

[brave brook]

have fun wasting money then 💸

[spare sedge]

thank you

i will

[spare sedge]

yeah, but they are getting better. and the 4090 fe is kind of serious

[orchid gate]

So TL;DR make something (a single cell) that reproduces (a visual effect) on a scale observable with the naked eye, assisted by a glowing indicator substance

[spare sedge]

and theres actually a good amount of aibs with suboptimal quality over the fe.

[brave brook]

ok, since we're realistically done with this convo, can we move on

[spare sedge]

its like, why go pny when you can go the fe.

[brave brook]

im done arguing over 3+ of the same gpu

[orchid gate]

Just go for one of them dream

It’s not like biological variance

Could be same age but different race- no.

[spare sedge]

i . n e v e r . e v e n . w a n t e d . t o . h a v e . i t .

[modest valve]

ok back to mobos ig

[brave brook]

that was for everyone else involved, not just you, and yes i believe it

[orchid gate]

Ah communication chaos

[pure mica]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-pop-corn-cartoon-eating-gif-17185950

[spare sedge]

i intentionally kept ignoring and dodging the question because i didnt want this to happen. i didnt want to observe it and you kept forcing the convo onto me

[brave brook]

for everyone here just to watch the chaos, please stay out of the chat, unless its something that will actually help the convo/is related

[orchid gate]

Guys just give opinions when somethings undecided

[spare sedge]

we cant be uninvolved with me all day, and then suddenly get upset because i didnt choose your pc part that you wanted me to pick for you

[orchid gate]

If it’s confirmed work around it, make compromises/find ways to avoid those given a confirmed choice

Painfully obvious example - if kassy wants an msi suprim X (dk if that’s changed) don’t suggest a fractal terra for the case/force the GPU to change

[brave brook]

it hasnt

[orchid gate]

ok good

[spare sedge]

i just wanted help with this

[pure mica]

The suprim x look so good

[orchid gate]

They connect to rear IO, and the front panel port(s)

[spare sedge]

i know now that the rear io is a separate thing and that headers are not ports at all lmao

[orchid gate]

USB 2.0 is perfectly usable with anything that isn’t Thunderbolt necessitated

[brave brook]

isnt it just the rear io?

[spare sedge]

headers are literally pins on the motherboard. that was insane to me

[orchid gate]

Like keyboard and mouse

[orchid gate]

They allow the ports to work

Like they conduct electricity as a protrusion from a circuit that connects to those ports

[spare sedge]

ik what headers are and i know all the usbs.

[modest valve]

at ur price range dont worry about usbs, ull have at least 8-10 in the io and 3-4 in the front pannel, and ive never seen anyone use over 11 usbs (usually most of them are for some weird peripheral lighting). so look fan headers, no. of drives, rgb headers, wifi/bluetooth, audio codecs, overclocking (vrms on $200+ mobos will be good enough for 7950x3d)

[orchid gate]

Forgive me if I sound unprofessional

[spare sedge]

im asking about how to read parts of these manufacturer's websites.

[orchid gate]

need help with USB standards?

[spare sedge]

im having trouble reading and understanding pcpp + manufacturer wording

[brave brook]

if you imagine a port without its housing, thats basically what a header is. a usb 2.0 header for example, has 2 power pins, and 2 data pins. im not sure what the extra pins are in a usb 2.0 header

[spare sedge]

nope

[orchid gate]

Oh right

[brave brook]

can you link to one such manufactuer?

[orchid gate]

So it seems each header can allow a certain number of USB ports to function if they alone are plugged in

[spare sedge]

yep i will provide everything im working on right now

[modest valve]

look into these first @spare sedge ur wasting too much time on usbs

[spare sedge]

https://pg.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650E PG Riptide WiFi/index.asp#Specification

[orchid gate]

so the second one down allows 3 USB 3.2 first Gen ports to run

[spare sedge]

heres the board in question

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

heres the pcpp

[orchid gate]

Basically plug both USB 2.0 headers in with provided cables (they come with PSU afaik), enables 3 on the rear IO to function

Parentheses just mean plugging that header in breathes life to >1 port

without them it means one for one

[brave brook]

yeah i wouldnt worry about usb, especially with x670e. you will have all the usb you want

[pure mica]

Fact

[brave brook]

but probably not fans lol

though it would most likely depend on the mb

[pure mica]

Get some fans you will need it

[spare sedge]

my only question is how pcpp says theres 2 usb2s and 1 1x1 an 1 2x2. BUT asrock is saying that there is 3 usb2s and 2 1x1s and 1 2x2. i couldnt find how they were getting these numbers until i read these parentheses but i still dont know how 2 usb2 headers can turn into 3 usb2 headers and how 1 1x1 header can turn into 2 1x1 headers

[pure mica]

Error on the copy in pcpp that it use the manufacture website info idk

[brave brook]

i think its just random marketting bs that, in certain specific applications, gives more usb ports

[spare sedge]

i dont think its an error tho cause asrock DOES say that its 2, 1, 1 like pcpp

[pure mica]

Weird why there website say other thing then

[orchid gate]

Not the header count

It’s how many ports are powered by a header

Or the number specified

[brave brook]

that says usb 2.0 headers, and single port usb 2 headers, so those 2 have the option for 2 to be plugged in, but probably just 1 at a time

[orchid gate]

2x headers power 3 ports on the rear IO pane

Not other headers

[brave brook]

pcpartpicker got it right, if my logic is correct

[brave brook]

why would internal headers be connected as rear io ports

[spare sedge]

ik what headers are but i dont really know the purpose of them or how they work. like i know you gotta plug in the tiny black rectangle things into the pins but like how could this turn into a "bonus header" or how could the header support more

[orchid gate]

Explain what headers do then

[spare sedge]

i wanted to ask about this too.

[orchid gate]

I’m confused as well now

[brave brook]

allow you to connect internal usb devices

[orchid gate]

Specify one?

[spare sedge]

cause i thought headers were individual to themselves on the board and not connected to the rear io at all

[orchid gate]

never seen a keyboard or drive need to connect to a header

[spare sedge]

a good way of thinking about it is that the rear io has usb ports not headers.

[brave brook]

uhhh, certain aios, certain usb cards, front panel usb

[orchid gate]

Ok

So do all of them need to be plugged in?

or just the ones necessary to use

[spare sedge]

hes right but yeah i literally cant think of one use case

[brave brook]

wdym

[spare sedge]

meaning that the number of headers on a motherboard can almost always be ignored

[orchid gate]

Convenience with the front panel usb

[spare sedge]

because most users wont use a header at all

i dont think there is a front panel. im p sure thats just what marketers say to distinguish it from "rear"

[brave brook]

well, kind of. you would probably want to make sure that you have the headers for your front panel usbs.

[spare sedge]

but front just means header

[brave brook]

no, the front panel is the usb/audio on the front of your case

[spare sedge]

ohhh so front panel refers to the case io basically

[brave brook]

This