♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[lavish nexus]

There with vodka it kinda acts a detergent so

[pearl heath]

LEDs

That or additives in the water to make it coloured

Usually both though, LEDs to accentuate the colours

[open iris]

dye or lights

[teal pond]

They do, but they are extremely advanced and require a lot of experience with building pcs

[lavish nexus]

If I ram vodka in a coolant loop I’d want it to be pretty diluted with water

[lavish nexus]

Maybe 25-30% pure vodka

[spare sedge]

Leds or rgb

[vast geyser]

this is mandatory

[pearl heath]

Be warned that custom loops will cost about as much as you spend on your components, and require regular maintenance (full drain and clean once every 6 months or so)

[lavish nexus]

Wellllll

Sorta

[spare sedge]

You can use dyes?

[lavish nexus]

Depends how highend you go

[vast geyser]

depends which

[spare sedge]

I would love pink loops

[open iris]

well ones made for it

[pearl heath]

Yeah good luck putting one together as your first PC

[lavish nexus]

You can get a custom loop and waterblock for a gpu around 400$

[pearl heath]

Custom loops are absolutely not for first time builders

[spare sedge]

That would be so damn cool

[open iris]

i really wouldnt go custom for your first

[vast geyser]

would be extremely difficult, and time consuming

[pearl heath]

Understand the experience required for custom looping successfully is only gained from fucking up a loop and ruining some components

[lavish nexus]

Just buy an aio and a aio fitted 4090 and be done with it

Msi suprim 4090 or the colorful one

[open iris]

copper tubing though >>>>>>>>> now thats sexy

[spare sedge]

Why are loops better than immersion

[vast geyser]

you can buy an aio that uses standard fittings

[lavish nexus]

Huh

[vast geyser]

btw

[spare sedge]

If I do loops can I cool my gpu

[pearl heath]

Of course

[lavish nexus]

Why would you do that when you can just buy a prefab aio to bolt on

[open iris]

thats what you usually do

[pearl heath]

Just add an extra $300 or so to the total loop cost for the GPU alone

[spare sedge]

With a tower fan you can't cool your gpu tho

[open iris]

🤔

[vast geyser]

cause why not

[lavish nexus]

This is true even with cheap Amazon components

[vast geyser]

you can use the cooler the gpu already has

[pearl heath]

Aftermarket heatsinks for graphics cards are not a thing anymore

[lavish nexus]

Cause theirs no advantage other then water volume

[pearl heath]

You just don't need them

[lavish nexus]

Just build a custom loop at that point

[vast geyser]

you can customize the aio

[pearl heath]

The mess is self contained
Also submerging a PC in watercooling fluid will kill it

[lavish nexus]

That can’t be as cheap as a prefab aio tho lol

[pearl heath]

Cause watercooling fluid is just water and some anti corrosion additives and also some dye

[spare sedge]

But ik immersion works

[vast geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yQw7YJ/alphacool-eisbaer-lt360-6385-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-11446

[pearl heath]

Immersion is stupid and I hate that you've found out about it

[vast geyser]

i think this is the one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rkmFf7/alphacool-eisbaer-aurora-360-615-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-11730 or with rgb

[pearl heath]

Mineral oil or that one cool fluid that must be sealed into a pressurised system are both gigantically messy and risky to use

[spare sedge]

Ik that's why I didn't ask here cause I knew you guys were hiding immersion lmao

[lavish nexus]

Not too bad but will it handle and gpu and cpu full system loop

[vast geyser]

closest thing id ever recommend to a custom loop

[pearl heath]

Imagine if the tank you're using for your immersion cracks
What the fuck do you do

There's a giant mess to clean up, you need a new tank asap that's validated/modified to work with your setup, and your system is unusable until then

[vast geyser]

also seems to use standard stuff

[pearl heath]

Immersion's only benefit is that it is quirky and unusual
And it doesn't even cool all that better than a custom loop could, if it's even better at all lmao

[vast geyser]

random, thoughts on the eisbaer aio

[pearl heath]

Ugly block
That's about all

[vast geyser]

i mean you can change it in theory, right?

[pearl heath]

Then why not just go with a custom loop..?

[vast geyser]

cause uhhh

this is easier and uhh

maybe cheaper

actually idk anymore, are there even any blocks that have a place to fill

[pearl heath]

It also looks worse lol

And you'd need to replace it with a pump, res, and block

[vast geyser]

damn

they really should have made the block nicer

cause imo its a neat concept

[pearl heath]

Also the tubes are ugly

[vast geyser]

better than the lf2

[pearl heath]

So when's dream gonna figure out what LN2 cooling and XOC is

[vast geyser]

they look fine on this

[vast geyser]

i think we can convince her that ln2 on a daily basis isnt possible

[brave brook]

When we’ve explained it for the 16th time

[vast geyser]

also yeah we already explained it

wait wtf is xoc

lemme google

[pearl heath]

Extreme overclock

[brave brook]

Many times

[pearl heath]

or uh
eXtreme OverClocking

[brave brook]

Oh man, if only dream would do that……

[vast geyser]

ok i thought it would be something more complex than that

[brave brook]

What’s this? Lemme google….

Basically what I do anyway XD

[vast geyser]

dude i never thought id get sad and jealous watching the goofy movie

[open iris]

hey we never talked about all passive cooling now thats the real based approach

no damn sound

[vast geyser]

:))

just buy 50ft worth of copper

[spare sedge]

whats pwm / pwm circuit??

[vast geyser]

pwm allows to control the fan speed

its another pin on the fan

[orchid gate]

I see thanks

[orchid gate]

Google DC vs PWM

[outer tulip]

I cannot watch that movie with people

[vast geyser]

why does he have to get the girl

why cant i get the girl

why is this world unfair

[outer tulip]

Pwm is just jiggly electricity

[outer tulip]

I was not talking about thaf

You can get the girl

Just don't be a lazy fuck

[vast geyser]

unfair

[outer tulip]

And not sociopathic

[vast geyser]

what do you mean by sociopathic

what did i ever do to you

[outer tulip]

This is the only person who doesn't need to work

[outer tulip]

I would tell that to anyone who I would have this conversation with

Just a broad general no sociopaths

[vast geyser]

i am NOT a sociopath

[outer tulip]

Fun fact I am doubting my internal dialogue is an internal dialogue and in fact the early stages of schizophrenia

[vast geyser]

id believe that

ok its 5am good night

[outer tulip]

Goodnight

[spare sedge]

pin as in connector for mb power? and is it only fan speed?

[brave brook]

yes

[spare sedge]

cause your mean to girls

[spare sedge]

whats DC

i feel like the problem with air coolers is that they take up too much space and kind of look ugly

[open iris]

and liquid cooling is very space efficient

[spare sedge]

it also seems that aios are kind of newer and extremely popular now.

[brave brook]

heres the pinout.
first, there were 2 pin fans, that ran at a fixed speed, and were not controllable (i think).
next, there were 3 pin fans, that had the "tach" pin that senses the speed of the fan with an electromagnet.
finally, there are 4 pin fans, that have the "pwm" pin that connects to a chip on in the fan that will adjust the speed. the "pwm fan" mode also pulses 12 volts, instead of adjusting voltage

[spare sedge]

which is no wonder you guys were screaming at me about them

jtc says that looping is better tho and its a better investment

[open iris]

Eh

Not really

[spare sedge]

which i can see becausr fans and looping are more serviceable.

aio is like once the pump is dead its scrap metal

if i got an aio, i have seen them with screens.

thats one i would want. but i also do know if it is a real screen or what it is or what it is for exactly. like why is there a screen unless im imagining it.

[open iris]

Replacing one part of your loop is hell

[outer tulip]

I've never heard of someone replacing the hub on a fan

[open iris]

and also probably costs as much as an entire aio

Lmao

[brave brook]

its a type of electricity, Direct Current instead of Alternating Current. for fans, its just the way the 3 pin fans are adjusted. i know this because i bought 3 pin fans on accident instead of 4 pin fans. also, my raspberry pi had a fan connected (i took it off for now, and im going to put it back on a little later)

[outer tulip]

Unless a fan is 100$ or something it's not worth

[open iris]

The screens on aios are basically just there for looks at that it

[brave brook]

so totally useless

[open iris]

Some use it to show temperature but like I'm not really gonna call that a use case

Whwn you can just see that in software

[spare sedge]

also, does pcpp only show tower and typec coolers?

or lp coolers?

[spare sedge]

oh so grel was talking about dc like the ac and dc that are very popular

ive heard of both of those obviously but i always mix them up

[open iris]

Typec 🤔

Pcpp has aios as well

[spare sedge]

https://www.makeuseof.com/types-of-cpu-coolers-which-should-you-use/

[brave brook]

he was talking about dc fan control, not the difference between direct current and alternating current. i just threw that out there because it also was a meaning

[spare sedge]

C-type or Flat Tower cooler if you don't have much vertical space.

[spare sedge]

ik one of the pins on the 4 pins does the pwm. but what does pwm stand for

[brave brook]

Pulse-Width Modulation. its the pulsing of the 12v on 4 pin fans

[spare sedge]

so like is it worth it if its cheaper than $100? i wasnt aware fans were $100 lol. or are you saying its not worth if its more expensive

[brave brook]

how pwm works
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/glossary-pwm-pulse-width-modulation-definition,5888.html

[spare sedge]

kind of worth it for me then. i like that aesthetic enough. but i wont consider it until the end ig

[spare sedge]

okay so it has all the basic air coolers then? but what stock coolers? does it have stock coolers you can buy separately? or replacement stock coolers listed in pcpp? i understand its not a website to buy from, but are they in the database?

cause i feel like they should be

[spare sedge]

oh so there is two different DCs you guys were both talking about

[spare sedge]

this is good to know, thanks. by any chance do you know which pin out of the 4 is responsible for the pwm? if not its okay, its not important.

[open iris]

Probably not idk

They might have some stock coolers from over the years but you can't buy them

Well I'm sure some third party does sell them

But like they weren't made to be sold

[spare sedge]

that's a huge shame, but i guess that's okay.

[brave brook]

@spare sedge this picture

[open iris]

why is that a shame

[spare sedge]

because pcpp is a good resource but its kind of ass af

outdated. neglected.

[brave brook]

no, and no

[open iris]

What damn user needs to put a stock cooler in their parts list???

Or buy one

[spare sedge]

not comprehensive. just good enough.

[brave brook]

if it was outdated, it wouldnt have ryzen 7000. if it was negleted, it wouldnt have ryzen 7000

[open iris]

Ever even

It's a tool to help people build pcs not a wiki for every pc part

[spare sedge]

no i mean, outdated looking and poor website design choices overall.

obviously they update parts but that means nothing

its like yugopro, they add the new cards but its still outdated and dingy.

[spare sedge]

yeah well, itd be nice if it was a more powerful tool and it sucks that there isnt any alternatives

[brave brook]

i think the parts are more important than the esthetics of the website

[spare sedge]

its not just the aesthetics tho. its the options and everything honestly. its also not really intuitive.

[outer tulip]

I meant fans are so cheap that it's not worth my time to fix one unless it's really expensive

[spare sedge]

like i said its a great resource and its good enough especially when there is no other options

[brave brook]

yeah, that is true, the filters could be done better

[spare sedge]

but its far from perfect and i would just like more from pcpp. it could be so much more than what it is right now.

[brave brook]

yeah, in the meantime though, we have touse what we have

[spare sedge]

i actually really dont like that the industrial options arent on the site and i understand its not the intent. but i just want it to be a more powerful comparison tool.

[spare sedge]

yeah i have to use ctrl f as an additional filter because the ones available arent good enough.

[brave brook]

Linus was asked on stream a while ago if he would make a "pcpartpicker" of his own. maybe we can get him to do one with better filters, and more options

[spare sedge]

i literally think about this all the time. and i know it would be better.

it wouldnt be easy tho

[brave brook]

probably like the screwdriver lol, in terms of the wait

[spare sedge]

lmao yeah

just cause theres also a lot of dupe items on pcpp too. also the way they split colors of products. could just be kept in one entry like basically how every retailer allows you to select it today.

and its not even that they arent a retailer. you could still have a site that changes the stats after you select the color because i understand different colors could have different prices or maybe they added something on this skin vs the other. etc.

it makes me kind of worried that im not seeing everything out there. cause i feel like there is non-industrial choices that arent on here as well.

that are like indie parts manufacturers or something like that special ram with the led troubleshooting.

but like yeah. i couldnt have done any of this without pcpp

[brave brook]

the truth is, no website will be perfect, and no pc enthusiast could do anything without pcpartpicker

[spare sedge]

yeah

so anyway, does pcpp have all water cooler options too? aios were mentioned to be on there which makes sense, but what about custom water looping cpu cooler parts? ig idk how many parts they come in.

or like immersion cooler parts / tanks or whatever?

[brave brook]

no, no custom watercooling

unfortunately

but you can add your own parts

[spare sedge]

so pcpp doesnt have any looping selections or immersion cooler selections.

only aio

[brave brook]

not that i know of

[spare sedge]

that makes sense.

how would i get into either one of those cpu coolers

is there anywhere i can go

[brave brook]

wdym

[open iris]

They aren't very feasible cause you pretty much order every part of a loop separately

[brave brook]

dont do immersion cooling

like ever

[open iris]

I mean I'm sure some kits exist but even then they literally can't contain everything

[brave brook]

and i would not recommend a custom loop for a first time builder

the research and maintanence required would not be worth it

[open iris]

Unless the kit manufacturer also had options for every gpu

[spare sedge]

its usually not even mentioned, but i hear that if it is done right / correctly, its the coldest performance you can get and best dissipation of heat overall for ALL your parts

[brave brook]

id still say its not worth the research, maintenance, and cost

[spare sedge]

if i can find accurate price ranges for aio vs custom looping vs immersion. i will leave it alone.

immersion might not be worth the research. depending on this aggregation

[brave brook]

i can almost gaurentee that immersion is the most expensive. custom loops can have a wide range of prices, depending on the tubing, fittings, reservoir, and number/size of radiators. aios are definitely the cheapest

[spare sedge]

so about $2500 price tag.

but thats honestly not so bad.

for what it is

[brave brook]

i mean, if you want your components to always be slimy. also, custom watercooling can 100% be cheaper than that with most, if not all, the performance

[spare sedge]

and by that. i mean, its a shark tank in the mansion living room aesthetic.

or tiger in the backyard

[brave brook]

lul bitcoin miners

[spare sedge]

i want to mine crypto but you actually dont need all this to do it.

[brave brook]

mine crypto with what, and what crypto

[spare sedge]

you can mine crypto with you laptop

its just awful

[brave brook]

etherium cant be mined anymore

[viscid plover]

Dream

[brave brook]

and bitcoin is nearing the end of its "mineability"

[viscid plover]

I have something for u

[spare sedge]

okay

[viscid plover]

I'll do pink variant tomorrow after work

Only for u

[spare sedge]

okii ❤️

[viscid plover]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/dcPkL9

After 1 day of work from 9 am to 9 pm, i got 0 issues on 1st post, flashing bios recent version and enabling xmp with 0 errors, after driving 30km of the worst roads ever, I could not be more happy, oh btw final price 5,7k CAD tax included

[spare sedge]

oooo i love this

[outer tulip]

That feels extremely cheap

Is it just mineral oil or phase change?

[brave brook]

an artpiece. no offence btw, but the 12v high power connector looks ugly as hell with that streamer cable

[brave brook]

some type of mineral oil i assume

[outer tulip]

Lame

[spare sedge]

how did you do this

[viscid plover]

Dream that might be the one u want

[outer tulip]

Tbh I'd just cut a few panes of glass and some silicone and section out a part of a normal aquarium

Then you can also have fish :)

[brave brook]

please dont buy streamer cables if you do that

[viscid plover]

Worked with a friend building with our limited experience in his basement

Tbh reading manual from mobo saved us hassle

[outer tulip]

I don't think I've read a single manual for a pc (and have greatly regretted it)

[viscid plover]

Watching 3 diff videos on lian li fan connection saved us time and knowledge

[brave brook]

uhhhhh id recommend changing that

[viscid plover]

Btw dream can you give me the 3 rgb exact codes u want for perfect pink?

255,255,255 is white btw

[outer tulip]

All I need is an image of the block diagram and I am fine

[brave brook]

hmmmmm

[spare sedge]

ive heard about streamer cables. in the context of "i bought this just cause i like the aesthetic"

so maybe if its pretty enough

[outer tulip]

<3

[spare sedge]

looks like a chipset to me

[brave brook]

they do nothing but add rgb. chances are, with that 12v high power plug, the streamer cable will look as ugly as that last pc

[outer tulip]

Block diagram :/

That is all you need to build a pc

[spare sedge]

how do block diagrams work

[outer tulip]

Maybe screwdriver

[brave brook]

its a personal preference, but i hate streamer cables. they add nothing for a bunch of money

[outer tulip]

It shows you what is connected to what

[spare sedge]

thats what ive heard

ill consider the savings

[brave brook]

using blocks to symbolize certain things, and the lines show how theyre connected

its a diagram.......of blocks

[outer tulip]

In the diagram I showed, if you populate too many SATA ports, the PCIe x2 slot will disable and that's important to know sometimes

[outer tulip]

My opinion but extended to most things rgb

[viscid plover]

What happened to 20k budget

[spare sedge]

at the end of the day its like. nooo dont buy the thing. (its just a sticker but it costs $300) i have a hard time making anything feel like me. itd be nice to do that with this but its not required.

[brave brook]

i generally agree. but if there was one thing not to buy, itd be a streamer cable

[spare sedge]

still definitely there, but idek what streamer cables look like

[brave brook]

dream thought 20k might be the cost of the pc, not 5-6

[orchid gate]

Costs more, looks cleaner yes. But not space efficient at all

[viscid plover]

Oh my bad

[brave brook]

also a dual tower aircooler is on par with most aios for significantly less

[spare sedge]

when we talk about space, itll become very important. especially if i go itx. how do you quantify space. it cant just be the length. is there a way to find out the volume of some of these parts

[viscid plover]

I don't think dream will go bankrupt over 2 strimers totaling 150$ CAD

[spare sedge]

for gpus you can probably do it yourself but i heard with psus they dont include depth

[brave brook]

could you please decide whether you want itx or atx before we continue?

[brave brook]

for just straight up wasting money?

[spare sedge]

i can't. because itx limits your features

[viscid plover]

Not waste at all if u want to achieve rgb glorification

[spare sedge]

im kind of stuck on motherboards

[viscid plover]

But dream liked what she saw

Therefore I'm happy for her

[brave brook]

um, ok.... the 4090 will probably cover all the pcie slots anyway (except maybe the msi liquid suprim

[outer tulip]

Yep lol

[spare sedge]

its true. but im also worried about the durability of aesthetic parts. led screens allows me to put whatever i want on there right? so whatever i feel like. i wont regret it because i can change it.

[viscid plover]

The atx mobo I got is exquisite. Also perfect for xmping ram and that white case btw tons of space in the back and the dide + front

[viscid plover]

Lasts 10 years minimum

[outer tulip]

Dream you should do custom loop

[brave brook]

ah, led screens. yet another thing that is a waste of money

[outer tulip]

First of custom loop + waterblockdd xbox

[spare sedge]

its kind of like does the aesthetic lose its pizzaz after 5 years

[brave brook]

i wouldnt recommend a custom loop for a first time builder

[outer tulip]

They have some use

[outer tulip]

Shush

[brave brook]

eh, maybe

[viscid plover]

Custom loop can fail in 1 week and ruin ur pc + maintenance is a pain

[outer tulip]

We need hype first loop

[brave brook]

no, im not going to lie to her

[outer tulip]

:(

[spare sedge]

ik its really difficult

[viscid plover]

I will gently disagree. Looks last for a lifetime

[outer tulip]

Building your first PC as custom loop is an accomplishment

[spare sedge]

im kind of up for the challenge. ik it takes a lot of back and forth and waiting for the liquid and pressure to normalize or whatever

[outer tulip]

Not very hard to do if you're familiar with building stuff but intimidating ya

[brave brook]

still, wouldnt recommend it. the extra research (there is a lot), and maintenance is not worth it

[brave brook]

exactly why i wouldnt recommend it to a first time builder

[spare sedge]

but i also have a question about vanlife.

how do these liquids sit or move. how do they transport? are there rules about not transfering water coolers unless you empty them or something

[outer tulip]

Maybe 6hrs max including testing for leaks and cycling air bubbles

[spare sedge]

it was a question.

[outer tulip]

Oh if it's in a van prob a bad idea

[outer tulip]

I meant building in general

[brave brook]

yeah dont custom watercool for vanlife

[outer tulip]

[brave brook]

yeah, dream has never built her own pc, so she isnt familiar

[outer tulip]

I prob wouldn't do aio tbh either

[spare sedge]

did you guys see this

gamer nexus

[brave brook]

i did, i havent watched it yet

[spare sedge]

i kind of dont want to waste 45 mins on it tbh

[outer tulip]

Building things like stairs or laying pipe at home or something...

Being handy

Final answer

[brave brook]

a dual tower can break off the motherboard (which is very bad)

[outer tulip]

It's not hard if you're handy

[outer tulip]

When did I say dual tower

[brave brook]

ohhhh i see

[brave brook]

you didnt, but thats what would probably be required for a 7950x3d if not an aio

even a single tower can break off

[outer tulip]

I bet the l9x65 would work

It's not super bulky and I'd be concerned for their bed if that thing broke off

[brave brook]

hmmmm, maybe

[spare sedge]

what is a dual tower. is it the tower cooler that has the base split into 2 heatsinks left and right.

[viscid plover]

Oh I can strongly affirm that my 2017 build still perfect shape and insane rgb looks. I have an pc part picker link with photos for that. Interested?

So yeah rgb is very nice if u care enough about it

If u put on desk even better

[spare sedge]

so every time you look at it. you smile

[viscid plover]

Kind of ! ❤️

U get reminded of your great work honestly

[viscid plover]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/b/4GHzK8

Lmk what u think

[modest valve]

If u don’t decide then we’re just wasting all this time and discussion

If you decide then we can give you more specific answers and options

[orchid gate]

Mostly space and width being the concern, especially with ITX if RAM won’t fit because the slots are blocked by a “wide” GPU bc it’s mounted too close to them

[modest valve]

It’s simple, bigger mobo = more features. Depends, do you need those features?

There is no “best motherboard in the world”

It depends on what you need

[orchid gate]

Sounds like one of my early misconceptions

Got a schooling when I learned about audiophile gear

Amir at ASR shat on Focal headphones, but pro audio likes them - and he’s completely objective (although loved their speakers)

[spare sedge]

i need something like that. im a very despicable person.

[spare sedge]

im gonna continue working on cpu coolers and see if i can stomach mbs for a round3 or something

[spare sedge]

like does the suprim x liquid take up more space than the rog?

for example.

[brave brook]

yes

[viscid plover]

Nothing wrong in wanting the best while respecting budget. I did all my choices with budget in mind.

[orchid gate]

You have two things that are supposedly one but require different places to mount

[spare sedge]

so dual towers i have heard are the most powerful air coolers but they seem huge

[orchid gate]

So yes, it’s installation won’t be as convenient

[spare sedge]

and dangerous

[spare sedge]

thats fine

[orchid gate]

Never heard of someone attempt cooling with them in all their builds

[orchid gate]

Neutral take anyway :p

[brave brook]

dual towers also can break off (as ive said before)

[spare sedge]

but if the sum of the volume is greater than that which of the rog, then i might switch off.

[spare sedge]

that why i said

[spare sedge]

idk if i would want to get dual tower if thats the case

does regular tower or low profile have this issue?

[orchid gate]

I think both the radiator and GPU parts are the same size, intuitively speaking

so 240x2 = 480mm which would be more combined than the ROG alone (but research, don’t just take my word for it)

[spare sedge]

and also are stock coolers just a heatsink + fan pressed up against the cpu?

[brave brook]

not as much, as there is less weight hanging off the motherboard

[brave brook]

yes

[spare sedge]

towers have the base. i understand the base

i actually took apart this old xbox 360 a long time ago, and i still have the halo edition heatsink from it.

[brave brook]

base?

[spare sedge]

heatsink base

for tower cooler

[brave brook]

you mean the coldplate?

yeah, all coolers have that

[orchid gate]

That part smooches the CPU lol

[brave brook]

thats one way to say it

[spare sedge]

does pcpp have the heatsink + fan coolers that dont have the base and heat pipes

coldplate is different from the base i think

[brave brook]

its not

[spare sedge]

i think those stock coolers have the coldplate

[brave brook]

no, all air coolers have heat pipes

[orchid gate]

Heat is then whisked away by copper pipes connected to Cupid (coldplate) and the fan spinning cools down the copper around it, and as copper is good at spreading the cold too it cools the CPU

[spare sedge]

im talking about these. does pcpp have these.

[orchid gate]

Those are basically what stock coolers look like kek

[brave brook]

no, because no one buys a stock heat sink

[spare sedge]

not these

[modest valve]

For 7950x3d some starting coolers could be nhd15 (air) dark rock pro4 (air), arctic liquid freezer ii, nzxt kraken x73, nucleus cr30, and some other Corsair aios

[spare sedge]

this option is just nice because it's flatter

[brave brook]

and if theres no warning about needing a heat sink, the cpu has a stock heatsink

[brave brook]

its also significantly worse cooling

[orchid gate]

And less performant yes

argh gave me a dirty image saying that

[spare sedge]

does pcpp have them tho

like non stock versions

just outright parts

[brave brook]

the thermalright peerless assassin/phantom spirit or the deepcool ak620 are better air coolers imo

[spare sedge]

ive heard of these

what about lp coolers

[orchid gate]

Why

[brave brook]

you mean stock coolers sold separately?

[orchid gate]

Wanna DIY air cooling?

[brave brook]

first of all, it wouldnt cool a 7950x3d

[brave brook]

please no

[spare sedge]

i guess. but maybe not a repair job one.

not a stock cooler. just a cooler in the shape of a stock cooler. not free. one i could pay for.

[orchid gate]

Not helping her with that either :p

[brave brook]

no, dont buy a stock cooler (or one the same size), it wouldnt be good enough performanc

[orchid gate]

but would be a heart-stopper performance

[spare sedge]

not even what im asking lmao

[spare sedge]

im not i just want to see if its on pcpp

[outer tulip]

What's the budget for the cooler @spare sedge

[orchid gate]

I get it - well nothing worth buying aftermarket is shaped like a stock cooler, what you’re showing. First off the fans face perpendicular to the CPU, you only see the side of the cooler

[brave brook]

my guess is no, but you can look and see

[spare sedge]

$2500

go crazy

[modest valve]

Those are also good

[outer tulip]

That's an expensive heatsink

Just hook it up to your vans radiator

[orchid gate]

He meant the cooler 💀

Think she’s just playing us

[spare sedge]

im not

[outer tulip]

@spare sedge USA?

[brave brook]

the problem with thermalright is theyre usually hella expensive in not the USA

[spare sedge]

yeah im in ohio

[brave brook]

i dont

[spare sedge]

toledo

[outer tulip]

Hey ho ohio

[orchid gate]

Good budget tho

[spare sedge]

if you are in ohio. we could meet

[viscid plover]

Her budget might be infinite and she keeps secret.

[spare sedge]

no secrets.

[spare sedge]

this is about right

there is nothing to do

[viscid plover]

A 5,7k CAD gets u almost top, add 1,5k and ull have the dream build.

[spare sedge]

i wanna do vanlife so i can move to new york

i dont have cad only usd ;-;

[viscid plover]

No worries just convert

Ull see how cheap it is

[brave brook]

try getting a small atx case (if you want the expansion)

[viscid plover]

With 20k budget in mind ofc

[spare sedge]

how much is 5,700 cad in usd?

[brave brook]

its 4.2k for everyone who didnt google it already

[viscid plover]

Not bad eh?

[spare sedge]

thats not bad at all

[viscid plover]

But i7 and not 4090

[orchid gate]

and that’s about 6090 I think in my currency

dang.

[brave brook]

yeah, not gonna happen

[spare sedge]

its true i hate the 4080 lol

[brave brook]

you know everyones dream pc has a 4090

[viscid plover]

I'm worried over i9 13900k and 4090 thermals plus 4090 fucking huge

[brave brook]

yeah thats why its not the 13900k, its the 7950x3d, that has a tdp that is less than half of the 13900k

[orchid gate]

Just saying there’s an overpowered version of the 4080 which is made by noctua and ASUS I think

[viscid plover]

Facts.

[spare sedge]

what are the dimensions of the asus rog strix?

[viscid plover]

Asus tuf OC 3x dp 2x hdmi

That what I got

[spare sedge]

wym an aib that far outperforms the other 4080s?

[viscid plover]

It's a hefty card ngl

[spare sedge]

this one is tempting

[viscid plover]

But not as humongous as 4090

[orchid gate]

Well uhh I’ll need to check

[brave brook]

hehe 4.5 slots. at that point get the 4090 version

[orchid gate]

This is 4080 btw, so not a 4090

[spare sedge]

those ichill's are ass

the water cooler is useless in them

[outer tulip]

It was a reference to a song I cannot find anymore

It's a slow song

Relaxed

[spare sedge]

ik that song. its true.

[brave brook]

well, i gtg y'all

gn

[spare sedge]

"ohio is for lovers"

get me out of here

[spare sedge]

nini

[viscid plover]

Nite nite

Dream honestly ur pink version will give u wild dreams when u sleep tomorrow

Plus I can play with every part every color

Combination u could dream of

[spare sedge]

oh wow this has everything already

[outer tulip]

@spare sedge what case do you want

[outer tulip]

This is definitely not a slow song lmao

The one I'm thinking of is a deeper female voice

[spare sedge]

so the rog is 3742000 mm^2

[outer tulip]

Wat

[spare sedge]

the suprim x liquid is 1686000 mm^2

[outer tulip]

https://youtu.be/thu8DWsirJo

This song

Where are you getting all these numbers

[orchid gate]

Did you calc the radiator size too

[spare sedge]

creeper posted chart

i am about to

i also fact checked. its accurate

[orchid gate]

Browse around on PCPP

[spare sedge]

this is the rad 1,823,470

[orchid gate]

there are links to peoples builds with them

[orchid gate]

Units?

[spare sedge]

so all together the suprim x liquid is 1,823,470 + 1686000 = 3,509,470

mm^2

[orchid gate]

Can’t be 10x smaller than the GPU

Oh wait mb I can’t count

[spare sedge]

you need to follow along better or reduce chat font size

[orchid gate]

Slightly bigger it seems

[spare sedge]

i dont blame you tho overall

the rog is slightly bigger

this is good news overall. it means that the suprim x liquid is still a goto pick

[spare sedge]

oh no its blocked

[outer tulip]

Wtf

How is music blocked

The pretenders is a good band

[spare sedge]

do you just have all these parts laying around lol how

[spare sedge]

send it to me in a dm. and i will try to vpn through it or something

[outer tulip]

Do you have spotify

[orchid gate]

Open it on YT

Some stuff is copyright and such

[spare sedge]

i definitely do have budget in mind.

[viscid plover]

Using 3 diff softwares for rgb control.

[outer tulip]

Oh ya you can't play in the embed

[viscid plover]

How much exactly?

[spare sedge]

exactly. idk which features i want or need. i gotta do research on each feature basically

[spare sedge]

im just mindful of price / perf

[outer tulip]

What are you even doing

[spare sedge]

like if my budget gets too out of hand. i can always drop down to an xtx if needed or a 7950x or 13900k

[outer tulip]

Am I building a pc for premier or for roblox

[outer tulip]

Tbh don't get 7950x3d unless you do a bunch of single core heavy tasks

[spare sedge]

https://youtu.be/QFpMVBr07JM

about to watch this

[orchid gate]

Welp wonder how sustainable it’d be

Where does GPU power come from, never lived van life b4

[spare sedge]

i dont have the van yet

but this was the plan from the get go.

[orchid gate]

I’m just saying

[spare sedge]

you buy solar panels tho

[orchid gate]

Sounds like fantasy land power surge trapping or something

and then keeping the 4090 awake through harvesting energy from a mythical glowing orb of plasma

[orchid gate]

Right yea. But then you probably get some days or months where the sky’s out of your favour hence the same with your GPU or PC in general

[orchid gate]

She’s a big gamer, if you read the thumbnail to this post

Click the image then swipe up if on mobile

[outer tulip]

That takes work

I guess I'll do that

[orchid gate]

uh huh, pretty necessary work if you’re advising :p

(Not her PC shown)

[outer tulip]

That's why I asked

[viscid plover]

Then my pc parts and my build should be your choice as well. Not only do I say this from experience but damn, honestly it was picture perfect. Price performance amazing

[orchid gate]

Don’t do that mate

We tried on a smaller scale

[viscid plover]

I'm trying.

[outer tulip]

@orchid gate can you link top post for me I'm on mobile and it's not working well

[viscid plover]

But with photos ❤️

[spare sedge]

here's an idea of the solar panels i will be getting within the year

[outer tulip]

200w only...

Expensive

[spare sedge]

it goes into a battery

[orchid gate]

Well then remember to frequently use your PC ._.

Batteries slowly discharge

What capacity in (k/m)Wh btw

[orchid gate]

#1139391773253316608 message

@outer tulip

[outer tulip]

Ty

[spare sedge]

thank you i never thought to do this

[orchid gate]

Server too chonk

[orchid gate]

Save it somewhere, in Notes or similar

[outer tulip]

I'm used to overcast all the time so I'm used to seeing higher rates panels :P

[orchid gate]

can’t write it down bc it’s longer than a Frankfurt

[spare sedge]

it really is amazing

[outer tulip]

I'm going to bed anyways get an rtx a6000 if you want best of the best gpu

[orchid gate]

I’m on iOS, but here’s how - click the thread’s thumbnail image, press the three dots in the top right corner, and jump to message. Then hold the message once there and scroll down to copy message link

Paste when needed :))

[teal pond]

dream you should cross off the galax model imo

[outer tulip]

Thumbnail image..?

[orchid gate]

Didn’t know where it was previously :p

[outer tulip]

Oh found it

[spare sedge]

the 6000 ada is better than the a6000, and also the 4090 is actually better than both of these gpus

[spare sedge]

i already chose the gpu

[outer tulip]

I said ada?

[orchid gate]

Update the message @spare sedge #1139391773253316608 message

[teal pond]

Oh sorry I’m trying to keep up lol

[spare sedge]

you said a6000

[outer tulip]

Rtx a6000

[spare sedge]

that's not the 6000 ada. the 6000 ada is the one that came out after a6000

[orchid gate]

Welp when gaming is a priority I don’t think supercomputing is as well

[teal pond]

the 4090 will be awesome you won’t regret

[orchid gate]

Pls kassy

[spare sedge]

industrial gpus are worse than the 4090. not so much with xeons and epycs tho.

[outer tulip]

I thought the rtx designator was only for ada but I was wrong

[outer tulip]

I wouldn't suggest a xeon to game on for most setups

[teal pond]

yes, but those cpus are not meant for gaming really

[outer tulip]

Unless it's sapphire rapids or something

[orchid gate]

^

[spare sedge]

yeah but its better in other workloads in cpu market whereas the 6000 ada in the gpu market is actually not better in other workloads, its actually just worse but has more memory.

[outer tulip]

It's the same thing as a 4090 but more memory

Install gaming drivers

[spare sedge]

maybe

[viscid plover]

I beg u teach me how can I do that for other threads

[spare sedge]

still going 4090 tho

[orchid gate]

@viscid plover

[spare sedge]

i did it

[orchid gate]

Thanks 🙏

[teal pond]

best choice for your use, those other ones that you have been talking about are for specific workloads

[outer tulip]

They work for gaming lol... price isn't worth though :P

[teal pond]

yea

[viscid plover]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1139391773253316608

Did not work

[orchid gate]

I can see an embed

But yea no work

Try again maybe

[viscid plover]

You really like it? What do you need to know more before you go ahead and build an even more nicer build than mine? ❤️

[viscid plover]

Worked

Ty

[orchid gate]

Hmm paste it in chat let’s see

[viscid plover]

Referring to ur white 4090 preference and ryzen or intel top cpus

#1139391773253316608 message

[spare sedge]

im working on motherboard and cpu cooler. im kind of stuck on the research for these parts

[viscid plover]

Works

Gg ty

[spare sedge]

i wouldnt mind staying up to work something out

[orchid gate]

Woohoo it does

[viscid plover]

I know a really cool lcd cooler

Expensive but very nice

U can even put photos or GIF on it

It's inszne

[orchid gate]

Welp easy option - wifi or none, depends on your location (in a home upstairs would likely mean wifi if you don’t have a mesh extender system)

Perhaps that’d be handy for van life?

another option for wireless networking is USB tethering data, if you opt for no wifi btw

[viscid plover]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rPVBKe3VY_g?feature=share

SICK

[spare sedge]

im looking into van life options

it seems that aio coolers are a ✅

[viscid plover]

Never regrets on AIO

[spare sedge]

and 1000W psu is ✅

[orchid gate]

If you don’t mind sticking to single player games or some stutters in CS:GO occasionally over mobile data, tethering means sharing it from your phone through a USB connection

[spare sedge]

they also talked about putting additives in the coolant or water

[orchid gate]

so your phone is essentially an antenna

[spare sedge]

that basically prevents it from freezing

[viscid plover]

I'd get msi ai1300 p . With 4090 and top cpu

[orchid gate]

There is higher 😸

[spare sedge]

does anyone know the actually minimum temperature ratings?

[orchid gate]

No Corsair RM1000

[spare sedge]

ik. i want a 2000W kind of

[viscid plover]

2kw no exist

[orchid gate]

1600W does

😈

[viscid plover]

Ye but not 2k

[orchid gate]

fair

[viscid plover]

Isn't that 1kW?

I had 950 w calculated with 4090 i913900k and all the same parts I got now

I would not risk on a 1k w

Just to see something fail spectacularly when gpu decides to spike to 550w

[viscid plover]

Lol 2k W wow

But over 500 bucks

Let's say it's not smartest decision

[orchid gate]

Fine. Go for an 1200W

[spare sedge]

how small does a psu have to be to fit into an itx case?

[orchid gate]

I’d avoid it but undervolting is possible worst case scenario

[orchid gate]

Needs to meet SFX spec

[spare sedge]

the psu only draws what it needs. you can go higher than you need

[viscid plover]

I don't have the gut to fiddle with voltages

[orchid gate]

An SFX psu is rated compatible with ITX

[orchid gate]

Plenty of people doing it to Ryzen 7000 series

optimum tech is a good guide

[viscid plover]

Do u gain something by up voltage or under voltage?

[orchid gate]

Usually to get rid of really high temps in ITX cases

[viscid plover]

I saw LTT ultimate build guide

They said it no rly matter

[orchid gate]

It’s only a slight undervolt, so performance loss is minimal

[viscid plover]

I guess...

But I like stock

[orchid gate]

Which was 2019 no?

[viscid plover]

Yep lol

[orchid gate]

It’s fine stock

[spare sedge]

i cant find where it says sfx

[orchid gate]

Wake up and see the sunshine :p don’t go raiding graves man

[spare sedge]

is there anyway else to know if your psu will fit in an itx case

[orchid gate]

Check length, and dimensions of the PSU bay/shroud

[viscid plover]

Is normal for my 4080 be 100% utilised while gaming pubg ultra over 200fps constant and 60 degrees C?

[orchid gate]

usually it has to do with length, like GPUs

[orchid gate]

Yes

Ofc

[viscid plover]

Rly?

[orchid gate]

Always maxes out to provide most frames

Actually wait complete 100%

[viscid plover]

Idk why I associated utilization to high temps

[spare sedge]

oh wait

i found it

[orchid gate]

Usually should hover around 90-100

[spare sedge]

so psus have their own form factor?

[orchid gate]

Typically higher end of that range

[orchid gate]

Lmao yes

That too

[viscid plover]

Yes it does

[spare sedge]

damn

[orchid gate]

GPUs do as well, but not as much anymore

[viscid plover]

I saw 99 and 100 sometimes

[orchid gate]

They once were categorised as single fan, dual fan and triple fan

But many aren’t made in all versions anymore, usually this was for different sizes of the same model

[viscid plover]

So that means 100% utilization is what is actually desired and designed to be used?

[orchid gate]

Yes

[viscid plover]

Wow

Me learn something new

[orchid gate]

So lowering the graphic settings just takes strain off CPU

Allows GPU to go beast mode

[viscid plover]

4080 too weak for i9 13900k I heard

[orchid gate]

because CPU has system tasks to do too

[viscid plover]

Therefore 14% bothleneck

True?

[orchid gate]

What. The. Absolute. Fuck

No

[viscid plover]

Sry I might spread misinformation

[orchid gate]

Buy according to your budget

[viscid plover]

I saved 250$ by returning i9 I had

[orchid gate]

Hol up you trolling or what

[viscid plover]

Wisest choice of me life

Mate 3% gaming diff

For higher temps

[orchid gate]

I need an answer

Threads all yours, I’m out

[viscid plover]

It's factual I have canada post receipt and all

Why tho

Wtf

Did I do something wrong

I demand some answers u left me in utter confusion mate

@spare sedge lol he went offline. It's just us 2 now ❤️also me glad u like my build honestly

[spare sedge]

the end plan is to park my van at ltt hq and steal their wifi

im kidding

[orchid gate]

They don’t use wifi

Entire building is like 10Gb or faster Ethernet, with cables as long as necessary to reach everybody

Fibre optic cables and all, Linus really rich/wise spender

[spare sedge]

oh yeah thats right

[orchid gate]

And did everything to minimise noise

[spare sedge]

i watched that video

[orchid gate]

Ah well, time to go hunting for an SFX PSU

dunno if they make 1000W for that size

Are you ITX or ATX gang rn

[spare sedge]

about 50 50 honestly

that vanlife video had a decent budget itx build

[orchid gate]

I mean ITX is a little easier to manage the build

Since everything’s in the same spot practically

larger case means easier customising

Easier to switch fans or cooler or RAM

don’t need to remove any/some vital components like the GPU

[spare sedge]

would the 4090 fit

[orchid gate]

Depends on the order you build in and the case size

ITX is a loose label, some cases rated as such are smaller than others

Although DTX cases… we don’t talk about it

[orchid gate]

Cooler Master NR200P = prime example of big boi ITX

Fractal Terra = Ant-man ITX

[spare sedge]

lets go base off this. i like the nr200p ive seen many videos on it

and theres that pink out of stock one

[orchid gate]

Buy white ig

It’s a good first time ITX build case

the NR200P max is even bigger

[spare sedge]

so if i do van life i could just unplug the gpu when i drive

[orchid gate]

I’d say choose that, since you’re watercooling

[spare sedge]

but i can also just do gpu stands

[orchid gate]

Sure. But better to stick the PC in a box with foam lining

and keep it on the floor/strapped to the walls

[spare sedge]

i feel like the floor would be bad since the wheels and potholes

[orchid gate]

Bind it to a seat then

[spare sedge]

the higher up it is mounted in the van the better probably

[orchid gate]

Less impact yes

Although careful where it’s placed

preferably in a cabinet

Thing is no need to remove anything from the PC

[spare sedge]

obviously very unlikely to be gaming or working while driving

[orchid gate]

Just make sure you have something to fit the entirety of it in

[spare sedge]

i need to get a remote job tho too

[orchid gate]

Could try photography, leave some money for a decent camera but don’t buy very high end yet as those are complex to use

[spare sedge]

after watching that vanlife video

an itx case will be so small but honestly an atx case will be just fine too

[spare sedge]

i already have a good camera

[orchid gate]

Added bonus 🐐

[spare sedge]

i eat up gbs

my phone is 1T tho

[orchid gate]

You’d be transporting a toaster at the smallest

[spare sedge]

at least ik the aio shouldnt spill or leak from driving

[orchid gate]

Biggest would be typical cargo hold luggage size

[orchid gate]

Nah

Otherwise DreamHack would be pretty unpopular or less crowded than it is today, or public transport would be crammed full

[spare sedge]

what about custom loops

[orchid gate]

And this is where I make my leave

Can’t answer to those

[spare sedge]

everything im finding on aio is saying its safe

[orchid gate]

Visit https://digital-photography-school.com extremely useful site if you’re interested

[spare sedge]

and i dont plan on driving a lot

i might even not drive to work. might bike with a foldable bike

or NY public transport

https://youtu.be/q6EARDgxDy8

watching this now

oh so a aio is also called a closed loop

custom looping is open loop

[orchid gate]

Open loop means you can refill or expand the system I think

Closed means it comes with liquid in it, no further attachments possible

[spare sedge]

so i could go air which is objectively less cooling

and may not be compat with vanlife

[orchid gate]

You’d just need to buy 2 more fans

[spare sedge]

or i could go aio which is better

so with aio if the pump fails its gone

[orchid gate]

this is where form factor deciding is handy

[spare sedge]

and if you need to refill its gone? too

[orchid gate]

Because ITX requires less fans than ATX to cool everything

since less space within meaning less space to cover with air circulation

[spare sedge]

oh so itx would be better for more reasons than just compact

cause a denser pc might not sag as much

even on fans

[orchid gate]

Yes

I hinted at that

[spare sedge]

thats fine but also

if an aio runs out of liquid and you cant refill it. what do you do? what are your options?

[orchid gate]

It won’t

Always circulates inside

If it did evaporate your pipes would burst

Only reason to replace a closed loop is when the pumping mechanism stops working.

[spare sedge]

so then do i just buy a new aio and problem solved?

[orchid gate]

Yes

Everything breaks down after a while

I think there may be some chemical changes overtime too

Could be why refills occur in open loop systems

[orchid gate]

Occasionally the pump might work very slowly etc as manufacturer defects exist too

…. Alr I’m off for now

[spare sedge]

open loop seems better tho overall. better durability

but just might not work with vanlife

[spare sedge]

is the gpu really the hottest part in a pc?

[orchid gate]

Pure speculation but wonder if some separation of substances happens

[orchid gate]

If you choke airflow anywhere the component in that region will be hottest

4090s should not be normally

Very good coolers on them

[spare sedge]

there is air but with aio it doesnt have the power to actually push air

[spare sedge]

i ask because i want to rank them in which are hottest.

i hear the gpu 4090 in this case would be the hottest part

i guess you can just compare the tdp tho

also what about maintenance?

do air coolers or aio or open loops require maintenance?

what about immersion cooler maintenance?

suprim x liquid tdp is 450w

7950x3d tdp is 120w

why doesnt ram have tdp

okay im getting more confident now. theres the reservoir or res

theres the radiator or rad

then there is the waterblock + coolerplate (which is definitely not the same as a heatsink base)

and then there is the tubing

[pearl heath]

No, other than the occasional dusting

[pearl heath]

Less than 5W

[pearl heath]

Massive amounts of messy maintenance once every few months if you want a long living system

[spare sedge]

alright immersion is crossed off

[pearl heath]

And custom loops require maintenance once every few months, refilling and cleaning the blocks

[spare sedge]

which parts need cleaning

the whole thing or just the waterblock

[pearl heath]

The waterblocks

[spare sedge]

cool

[pearl heath]

Tubing may need replacing, you might end up wanting to redo the layout (again)

[spare sedge]

how scary is refilling?

[pearl heath]

Not very

I have a custom watercooled system btw
It's not worth it

[spare sedge]

PICS

i bet it looks sweet

im honestly worried about the durability of an aio

an aio is definitely friendly to new builders. its basically plug and play

[pearl heath]

No, it doesn't look too good cause I haven't cable managed it properly since ever lmao
And I don't like the layout, I'm redoing it for the third time later when some new fittings arrive

[spare sedge]

okayy

so you have the res and everything

[pearl heath]

It's funny cause I think I've spent more on the loop than I have spent on the components themselves

Currently I don't have a res

[spare sedge]

oh wow you can do it without a res too

[pearl heath]

Here it is in its ugliness

[spare sedge]

also, from what im seeing, custom water looping allows you to kill 2 birds with one stone. you can loop to cool the gpu and the cpu in one system?

[pearl heath]

I can highly recommend not doing that

[spare sedge]

where as with aio, you might end up with 1 rad for the cpu and 1 rad for the gpu

[pearl heath]

Oh course
That's mostly the point of a custom loop

[spare sedge]

i didnt even know it was possible without a res. how did you manage to do that?

[pearl heath]

I mean you kinda want that with a custom loop anyway

[spare sedge]

thats a big deal to me

[pearl heath]

A lot of tilting the system around to make all the air bubbles get out

[spare sedge]

if i decided to go aio, could i switch to open loop after on the same system?

[pearl heath]

If you want to put together a computer and then never touch the insides again (apart from dusting it), get an air cooler

[pearl heath]

Of course

[spare sedge]

does tdp actually determine the heat level?

[pearl heath]

Just take it the aio and spend an unfortunate amount of money on components

[pearl heath]

No

[spare sedge]

what does

is it usually the gpu thats the hottest or is it usually the cpu?

[pearl heath]

Depends on a million different factors

The RTX 4090 on your standard air cooler will run cooler than the 7950X on an AIO if you leave everything at stock settings, despise the 4090 drawing 450W or higher, and the 7950X drawing less than 200W

[spring wraith]

cuz IHSes suck

especially the 7950xs

also less die surface area when running direct die

iirc

[spare sedge]

also, is it the ihs that makes contact with the coldplate of whatever choice you make

[pearl heath]

Yes

[spare sedge]

ik now that the coldplate must be on the waterblock of open loops, but the coldplate should also be on the waterblock for the aio. and it is usually the waterblock that has the mini screen on it.

and the coldplate can be found at the bottom of the heatsink base for tower fans etc

[pearl heath]

Mini screens are not a common feature

[spare sedge]

ik thats an issue with threadripper since the cpu is so large

[spring wraith]

yes

the cold plates on most coolers isnt big enough

so you need specialized ones

like that u12s or whatever from noctua

[spare sedge]

yep exactly

i heard noctua is good

any other good ones?

does noctua only make air coolers?

[spring wraith]

yes

[spring wraith]

theyre heavily overpriced

and their fans suck

[spring wraith]

thermalright is great

and deepcool

for air coolers that is

[spare sedge]

when shopping for an aio what should i look for?

what should i prioritize

is it just about how big the rad is

[pearl heath]

No

You look at reviews for each individual unit

[spare sedge]

what determines how strong it is as a cooler?

[pearl heath]

How they designed it

[spare sedge]

do they have different coolant inside

[pearl heath]

No

[spare sedge]

ive heard the rad was indicative of its cooling strength

but i was wondering if there was more to it

i already look at reviews but

[spring wraith]

how good the pump is, the fin density of the radiator, the thickness of the radiator, and the fans

[spare sedge]

how can you tell how good a pump is

[spring wraith]

yeah because manufacturers change pumps out for weaker ones for smaller rad models usually

360mm or 420mm is your best bet generally

[spring wraith]

looking at performance reviews

or if people do testing then that

[spare sedge]

so like tmpeerature benchmarking

what about noise

[pearl heath]

Look at reviews

[spare sedge]

what decibels should i try to stay under

[pearl heath]

Whatever you find tolerable

[spare sedge]

that doesnt help me though.

[pearl heath]

That's the thing
We don't know what you find good

[spare sedge]

idk what 10 db sounds like

[pearl heath]

We don't either

[spare sedge]

or 60 db sounds like

[pearl heath]

But there are charts that show roughly what each level is equal to

[spring wraith]

your noise floor will be above 10db

usually anywhere from like 25-45 idk

[spare sedge]

10 was just a random number

[spring wraith]

if you have an iphone you can listen to sounds and see what db theyre playing at

[spare sedge]

so quieter the better tho.

[spring wraith]

itll show the max db at any given time

[spring wraith]

it depends

[spare sedge]

so ig perf / temp

[spring wraith]

what really matters is harmonics

not necessarily just loudness but pitch

[spring wraith]

wdym

[spare sedge]

performance per decibel mb

[pearl heath]

That is not a useful metric

[spare sedge]

yes it is

[pearl heath]

Considering most AIOs kinda run similar temps when you look at the ones that actually matter

Anyway the only AIOs you should be considering are anything from Arctic's liquid freezer 2 line, and the frozen notte or whatever that thing is called

[spring wraith]

its rlly weird to quantify that in a way that conveys useful stuff

[spring wraith]

no lol

the lt720 exists

[pearl heath]

Forgot about that one

lol

[spring wraith]

and the galahad

and eks aios

[pearl heath]

But ain't that one hilariously expensive in comparison?

[spring wraith]

idk it used to be just a bit more expensive than the lf2

but had a solid pump

ek aios are also around lf2 pricing